| OnTheGas | 10-09-2003 09:22 PM |
Suzuka - Home of the 130R!!
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One of my favorite courses...
Here are my picks:[list=1][*]Michael - Ferrari balance will shine here[*]Rubens - Will be fast, but Michael owns Suzuka[*]Ralf - Spent 1996 in Japan B4 F1[*]Kimi - Will duel w/JPM & win[*]Juan - Still upset w/Indy stewards, (& rightly so!)[*]David - The pride of great britain![*]Fernando - Renault will gamble, but their pace won't match the big three[*]Jarno - Should have a good dogfight for this last point...[/list=1]
Here are my picks:[list=1][*]Michael - Ferrari balance will shine here[*]Rubens - Will be fast, but Michael owns Suzuka[*]Ralf - Spent 1996 in Japan B4 F1[*]Kimi - Will duel w/JPM & win[*]Juan - Still upset w/Indy stewards, (& rightly so!)[*]David - The pride of great britain![*]Fernando - Renault will gamble, but their pace won't match the big three[*]Jarno - Should have a good dogfight for this last point...[/list=1]
| ArtGecko | 10-09-2003 10:50 PM |
Crap! "Your pick (ID 300523) was recorded on 2003-10-09 at 2248
(this pick is marked as a late pick)"
M.Schumacher
F.Alonso
J.Montoya
K.Raikkonen
D.Coulthard
R.Barrichello
M.Webber
C.Matta
Guess I go with the Indy picks, which included Jacques in 8th...
Steve
(this pick is marked as a late pick)"
M.Schumacher
F.Alonso
J.Montoya
K.Raikkonen
D.Coulthard
R.Barrichello
M.Webber
C.Matta
Guess I go with the Indy picks, which included Jacques in 8th...
Steve
| gtguy | 10-10-2003 11:24 AM |
M. Schumacher (Best driver, best car, competitive tires on a track that he loves...no brainer)
R. Barrichello (Ferrari is planning to try to get him the win, but I don't think he'll come through with the goods)
F. Alonso (the Renault strengths will shine here)
J. Montoya (he'll have some makeup on his mind after Indy)
K. Raikkonen (he'll be trying too hard, and will make some errors)
R. Schumacher (won't be up to snuff)
D. Coulthard (will try some oddball fuel strategy that won't work)
T. Sato (he's always geeked by Suzuka...remember last year?)
Hey OTG, I think your comments about Montoya getting hosed at Indy are interesting. Did you see where he called for permanent stewards, so that the penalties would be consistent?
Having watched that deal a few times, yes, I think that he left Barrichello with no options, essentially punting him off the track, but Barrichello drove like a punk, too. Witness a similar situation with Montoya and Schumacher at Monza, where it was a close fight, but both got through the corner unscathed.
Should JPM have been penalized? No, because you have to encourage drivers to take risks to make passes, and one way is to reward aggressive behavior, rather than penalizing it. It's one thing if he simply shoves Barrichello off the track, but it didn't look as if that occured in this instance.
Kevin
R. Barrichello (Ferrari is planning to try to get him the win, but I don't think he'll come through with the goods)
F. Alonso (the Renault strengths will shine here)
J. Montoya (he'll have some makeup on his mind after Indy)
K. Raikkonen (he'll be trying too hard, and will make some errors)
R. Schumacher (won't be up to snuff)
D. Coulthard (will try some oddball fuel strategy that won't work)
T. Sato (he's always geeked by Suzuka...remember last year?)
Hey OTG, I think your comments about Montoya getting hosed at Indy are interesting. Did you see where he called for permanent stewards, so that the penalties would be consistent?
Having watched that deal a few times, yes, I think that he left Barrichello with no options, essentially punting him off the track, but Barrichello drove like a punk, too. Witness a similar situation with Montoya and Schumacher at Monza, where it was a close fight, but both got through the corner unscathed.
Should JPM have been penalized? No, because you have to encourage drivers to take risks to make passes, and one way is to reward aggressive behavior, rather than penalizing it. It's one thing if he simply shoves Barrichello off the track, but it didn't look as if that occured in this instance.
Kevin
| OnTheGas | 10-10-2003 12:47 PM |
Montoya & Sato @ Suzuka
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I forgot about Sato's performance last year... Q'd 7th, and finished 5th. Ironically, he finished one spot ahead of young Jenson Button's Renault.
In today's (Friday) qualifying, he was surprisingly fast, qualifying 11th on empty tanks, 5 positions ahead of Jenson. Sato is a good pick on your part!
As you could guess, I agree with Montoya's view on permanent f1 race stewards. Certainly, something must be done to prevent these inconsistencies. It hurts F1 to not solve this problem.
Here is a link to nice article on Montoya's views:
[url]http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=139566&FS=F1[/url]
In today's (Friday) qualifying, he was surprisingly fast, qualifying 11th on empty tanks, 5 positions ahead of Jenson. Sato is a good pick on your part!
As you could guess, I agree with Montoya's view on permanent f1 race stewards. Certainly, something must be done to prevent these inconsistencies. It hurts F1 to not solve this problem.
Here is a link to nice article on Montoya's views:
[url]http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=139566&FS=F1[/url]
| Arioch | 10-10-2003 05:53 PM |
I still keep hoping that Kimi will win the WDC... All it'll take is a Ferrari failure (or schumi failure) and Kimi to win... Chances of that happening are, statisticly, 1/255
Still, a guy can dream.
GO KIMI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :disco: :banana:
-dave [img]http://somershoe.com/images/bandit.gif[/img]
Still, a guy can dream.
GO KIMI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :disco: :banana:
-dave [img]http://somershoe.com/images/bandit.gif[/img]
| Impreza Rider | 10-11-2003 09:21 AM |
Wow...interesting qualifying
Whens the last time Schui qualifyied that bad?
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1. 2 BARRICHELLO Ferrari B 1'31"713 227.942 Km/h 3
2. 3 MONTOYA Williams BMW M 1'32"412 + 0'00"699 3
3. 21 DA MATTA Toyota M 1'32"419 + 0'00"706 3
4. 20 PANIS Toyota M 1'32"862 + 0'01"149 3
5. 8 ALONSO Renault M 1'33"044 + 0'01"331 3
6. 14 WEBBER Jaguar Cosworth M 1'33"106 + 0'01"393 3
7. 5 COULTHARD McLaren Mercedes M 1'33"137 + 0'01"424 3
8. 6 RAIKKONEN McLaren Mercedes M 1'33"272 + 0'01"559 3
9. 17 BUTTON BAR Honda B 1'33"474 + 0'01"761 3
10. 15 WILSON Jaguar Cosworth M 1'33"558 + 0'01"845 3
11. 9 HEIDFELD Sauber Petronas B 1'33"632 + 0'01"919 3
12. 10 FRENTZEN Sauber Petronas B 1'33"896 + 0'02"183 3
13. 16 SATO BAR Honda B 1'33"924 + 0'02"211 3
14. 1 M.SCHUMACHER Ferrari B 1'34"302 + 0'02"589 3
15. 12 FIRMAN Jordan Ford B 1'34"771 + 0'03"058 3
16. 11 FISICHELLA Jordan Ford B 1'34"912 + 0'03"199 3
17. 19 VERSTAPPEN Minardi Cosworth B 1'34"975 + 0'03"262 3
18. 18 KIESA Minardi Cosworth B 1'37"226 + 0'05"513 3
19. 4 R.SCHUMACHER Williams BMW M 1'48"100 + 0'16"387 2
20. 7 TRULLI Renault M 1'59"200 + 0'27"487 1
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Whens the last time Schui qualifyied that bad?
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1. 2 BARRICHELLO Ferrari B 1'31"713 227.942 Km/h 3
2. 3 MONTOYA Williams BMW M 1'32"412 + 0'00"699 3
3. 21 DA MATTA Toyota M 1'32"419 + 0'00"706 3
4. 20 PANIS Toyota M 1'32"862 + 0'01"149 3
5. 8 ALONSO Renault M 1'33"044 + 0'01"331 3
6. 14 WEBBER Jaguar Cosworth M 1'33"106 + 0'01"393 3
7. 5 COULTHARD McLaren Mercedes M 1'33"137 + 0'01"424 3
8. 6 RAIKKONEN McLaren Mercedes M 1'33"272 + 0'01"559 3
9. 17 BUTTON BAR Honda B 1'33"474 + 0'01"761 3
10. 15 WILSON Jaguar Cosworth M 1'33"558 + 0'01"845 3
11. 9 HEIDFELD Sauber Petronas B 1'33"632 + 0'01"919 3
12. 10 FRENTZEN Sauber Petronas B 1'33"896 + 0'02"183 3
13. 16 SATO BAR Honda B 1'33"924 + 0'02"211 3
14. 1 M.SCHUMACHER Ferrari B 1'34"302 + 0'02"589 3
15. 12 FIRMAN Jordan Ford B 1'34"771 + 0'03"058 3
16. 11 FISICHELLA Jordan Ford B 1'34"912 + 0'03"199 3
17. 19 VERSTAPPEN Minardi Cosworth B 1'34"975 + 0'03"262 3
18. 18 KIESA Minardi Cosworth B 1'37"226 + 0'05"513 3
19. 4 R.SCHUMACHER Williams BMW M 1'48"100 + 0'16"387 2
20. 7 TRULLI Renault M 1'59"200 + 0'27"487 1
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| AndyRoo | 10-11-2003 10:19 PM |
wow...didnt see that coming.
tomorrow should be interesting.
tomorrow should be interesting.
| Leonardo | 10-11-2003 10:43 PM |
I agree, it should be a good race!
I just hope Williams grabs the manufacturers championship when Woobens spins out!
Anyone thinks a Sauber (Ferrari engine) will run Kimmi off from the track to keep the engines next year?:lol:
I would really like to see Montoya grab this one and show everybody! Michael would still win it and here is an idea:
Tie braker!
Let Michael and Montoya out for some hot laps and see who gets the best time! (I would sneek the old Michelin tire on at this point)
Just an idea!
Anyone wonder instead of going to Maclaren when JPM's contract expired, he went to Ferrari? THAT my friends, would really be sight to see!
My pics:
1) JPM- will laugh at everybody at the end and moon Michael from the Podium
2) Michael- will be glad he won the title but sad JPM got the constructors title
3) Kimmi- tried hard but spun a couple of times
4) Ralph- Good earned spot while duking it out with Kimmi
5) Alonso- Great race!
6) Coulthard- Pissed that Alonso kept brake checking EVERYTIME David was going to attempt a pass at him.
7) Sato- spotlight on him again
8) Da Mata- not bad!
9) Woobens- out of point paying position thus Williams wins the title
I just hope Williams grabs the manufacturers championship when Woobens spins out!
Anyone thinks a Sauber (Ferrari engine) will run Kimmi off from the track to keep the engines next year?:lol:
I would really like to see Montoya grab this one and show everybody! Michael would still win it and here is an idea:
Tie braker!
Let Michael and Montoya out for some hot laps and see who gets the best time! (I would sneek the old Michelin tire on at this point)
Just an idea!
Anyone wonder instead of going to Maclaren when JPM's contract expired, he went to Ferrari? THAT my friends, would really be sight to see!
My pics:
1) JPM- will laugh at everybody at the end and moon Michael from the Podium
2) Michael- will be glad he won the title but sad JPM got the constructors title
3) Kimmi- tried hard but spun a couple of times
4) Ralph- Good earned spot while duking it out with Kimmi
5) Alonso- Great race!
6) Coulthard- Pissed that Alonso kept brake checking EVERYTIME David was going to attempt a pass at him.
7) Sato- spotlight on him again
8) Da Mata- not bad!
9) Woobens- out of point paying position thus Williams wins the title
| Dolphin Overton | 10-12-2003 01:30 AM |
Leonardo- i like your thinkin:lol:
DIE RED TEAM DIE!!!
DIE RED TEAM DIE!!!
| shoracer | 10-12-2003 01:50 AM |
the race is starting to get strange.
Go Rubens.
Go Rubens.
| nqwan | 10-12-2003 02:08 AM |
Go Raikkonen!!
back to the race...
back to the race...
| shoracer | 10-12-2003 03:02 AM |
Rubens wins, Rubin wins.
Michael rules.
It is finished, time to wait for next year.
Michael rules.
It is finished, time to wait for next year.
| meebs | 10-12-2003 03:04 AM |
Well done Ferrari. Kimi in '04.
| Leonardo | 10-12-2003 03:09 AM |
No no no, JPM in 04!!!!!
Till next year!
Leo
Till next year!
Leo
| Leonardo | 10-12-2003 03:16 AM |
Oh, and the funniest moment was when they asked the drivers which was the most memorable ocacion of the yead and JPM said passing Woobens at Indy:lol: :lol:
| Leonardo | 10-12-2003 03:16 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Dolphin Overton [/i]
[B]Leonardo- i like your thinkin:lol:
DIE RED TEAM DIE!!! [/B][/QUOTE]
Great minds think alike!;)
[B]Leonardo- i like your thinkin:lol:
DIE RED TEAM DIE!!! [/B][/QUOTE]
Great minds think alike!;)
| nqwan | 10-12-2003 03:25 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by meebs [/i]
[B]Well done Ferrari. Kimi in '04. [/B][/QUOTE]
x2
[B]Well done Ferrari. Kimi in '04. [/B][/QUOTE]
x2
| gtguy | 10-12-2003 10:40 AM |
Wow, what a race. Wonder how JV feels about the BAR now that Sato, with hardly any experience with the car, takes it to a sixth place (after taking time off to give M. Schumacher a nose job :lol: ). I think that Sato has the goods, though it remains to be seen how he does outside of Suzuka.
M. Schumacher had rather a fraught weekend, that began with bad rain karma (started raining heavily just before his qualifying run, leaving him 14th on the grid). Off-track, the Sato nose job, coming up through the field after a re-arranged pit strategy, and that three-way between he, his brother and DaMatta was something. I couldn't figure out what R. Schumacher was doing. Constructors was decided, his brother was in the spot he needed for the Drivers' Championship...why make the pass? I know, I know...they're racing for position, no quarter, both Ferraris could have blown up as well as the other seven cars in front of him, etc, etc. :lol:
That was a first-class drive by M. Schumacher, who did what he had to do...score a point. Trulli's charge up through the field was also very cool, and Montoya would have had the race dead to rights, I think, had his car not given up the ghost. He was flat-out flying. When Barrichello first pitted, before Raikkonen, I thought for sure that McLaren were on a crazy fuel strategy that would get Raikkonen the win, but they turned out to be on the same strategy as Ferrari, which makes me :eek: at Barrichello's pace. When he's on, he's WAY on. Great drive from that guy...don't forget that Ferrari and M. Schu said that they would love to see Barrichello win, since that also accomplishes what the team needed as regards Drivers and Constructors titles. The F2003 really suits his style, certainly more than M.S's it appears, who prefers a shorter, twitchier car.
Montoya, Alonso and Raikkonen are the future of F1...it's just a matter of time for the trio, though I think that Raikkonen will win a WDC first among that group.
Interesting race, interesting season. We'll never know how good the F2003 was, thanks to the Michelin Advantage (Bridgestone should have known the competition would improve). I think that had the tires been anything approaching equal, we would have seen a repeat of last season. As it is, people will pat themselves on the back and say "see, the rules changes helped a lot," rather than patting Pierre DuPasquier on the back and saying "Thanks for making the season interesting." :lol:
I'm really happy for M. Schumacher. I don't see his record being broken, frankly. Six championships with two different teams, both of which he pulled up by the bootstraps...love him or hate him, that's impressive stuff.
Kevin
M. Schumacher had rather a fraught weekend, that began with bad rain karma (started raining heavily just before his qualifying run, leaving him 14th on the grid). Off-track, the Sato nose job, coming up through the field after a re-arranged pit strategy, and that three-way between he, his brother and DaMatta was something. I couldn't figure out what R. Schumacher was doing. Constructors was decided, his brother was in the spot he needed for the Drivers' Championship...why make the pass? I know, I know...they're racing for position, no quarter, both Ferraris could have blown up as well as the other seven cars in front of him, etc, etc. :lol:
That was a first-class drive by M. Schumacher, who did what he had to do...score a point. Trulli's charge up through the field was also very cool, and Montoya would have had the race dead to rights, I think, had his car not given up the ghost. He was flat-out flying. When Barrichello first pitted, before Raikkonen, I thought for sure that McLaren were on a crazy fuel strategy that would get Raikkonen the win, but they turned out to be on the same strategy as Ferrari, which makes me :eek: at Barrichello's pace. When he's on, he's WAY on. Great drive from that guy...don't forget that Ferrari and M. Schu said that they would love to see Barrichello win, since that also accomplishes what the team needed as regards Drivers and Constructors titles. The F2003 really suits his style, certainly more than M.S's it appears, who prefers a shorter, twitchier car.
Montoya, Alonso and Raikkonen are the future of F1...it's just a matter of time for the trio, though I think that Raikkonen will win a WDC first among that group.
Interesting race, interesting season. We'll never know how good the F2003 was, thanks to the Michelin Advantage (Bridgestone should have known the competition would improve). I think that had the tires been anything approaching equal, we would have seen a repeat of last season. As it is, people will pat themselves on the back and say "see, the rules changes helped a lot," rather than patting Pierre DuPasquier on the back and saying "Thanks for making the season interesting." :lol:
I'm really happy for M. Schumacher. I don't see his record being broken, frankly. Six championships with two different teams, both of which he pulled up by the bootstraps...love him or hate him, that's impressive stuff.
Kevin
| artkevin | 10-12-2003 11:04 AM |
Shui drove an extremely sloopy race. JPM was off like a shot and even Alonso had a shot at the win. Kimi just did not have the speed but I still can't belive that when the title was on the line Shui almost threw it away...TWICE. Both scenes with daMata and Sato were all Shumi's fault. It is just crazy to think that all he had to do is bring the car home and he kept making banzi moves. Unh! :(
| rmbrady | 10-12-2003 11:04 AM |
Just got back from the race, it was amazing! For a moment it looked like Kimi winning was a possibility. Ruebens didn't run into any trouble though. Michael's comeback from way down after the nose incident was pretty cool. I still can't believe how far out in front JPM was, it was ridiculous after only like 4 laps. Did anyone hear what happened to him, I didn't hear any specifics at the race. I should gave pictures soon.
| AndyRoo | 10-12-2003 05:46 PM |
that must have been exciting to watch.
im happy for schumi.
im happy for schumi.
| AndyRoo | 10-12-2003 05:47 PM |
also, taku should have a bunch of experience with the BAR, he is there test driver. either way good job on his part, i think hes pretty good.
| rkkwan | 10-12-2003 07:12 PM |
It's been said many times last year that Takuma Sato spent most of his racing career outside of Japan. So Suzuka is his "home track" only because of fan support, not because he knows the track better than other F1 drivers.
| Dussander | 10-12-2003 07:58 PM |
Yeah, that was a very interesting weekend. It didn't pan out the way I would have hoped but it kept me on edge. Listening to the Speed commentators working at 12:00 EST is a riot.
Schumi drove pretty bad IMO, but he deserves the title after having 6 victories this year. But I will shed no tears when he does not win it next year. :)
I hated that feeling when they first showed Montoya slowing down. Ugh, I guess that puff of smoke on lap one, really was a problem. I really love how both Montoya and Rubens tease each other. The ribbing in the qualifing interview killed me. Montoya's quote about his favorite 2003 highlight was classic.
How the weather plays into the late season events is very interesting. There was this constant impending doom atmosphere.
Waiting until March is going to SUCK!!
:furious:
Schumi drove pretty bad IMO, but he deserves the title after having 6 victories this year. But I will shed no tears when he does not win it next year. :)
I hated that feeling when they first showed Montoya slowing down. Ugh, I guess that puff of smoke on lap one, really was a problem. I really love how both Montoya and Rubens tease each other. The ribbing in the qualifing interview killed me. Montoya's quote about his favorite 2003 highlight was classic.
How the weather plays into the late season events is very interesting. There was this constant impending doom atmosphere.
Waiting until March is going to SUCK!!
:furious:
| gtguy | 10-12-2003 08:46 PM |
Indeed, it's going to be a long off season. Having watched the race with open eyes this time...watching a GP after a late-night concert is not advisable, fyi...
Schumacher's press conference comment about his race said it all, when he admitted to being sloppy on a few instances. The Sato thing...wow...the only thing I can think is that he was thinking that Sato would, in the face of what was at stake, let him through. Otherwise there's no explanation for the move.
The DaMatta thing was simply MS being surprised by the door suddenly being shut. Ralf was going to follow him through, I think. The view from DaMatta's in-car was hilarious, btw.
I also like how Schumacher kept focussing on the Ferrari team rather than his own personal accomplishments, because he, unlike too many champions who excel as part of a team concept, realize that without team excellence, no win is possible.
Other final thoughts are:
Whither Coulthard? He's shown that he has the talent to be a fine no. 2 driver, but every time he looks set to become no. 1, some flying Finn enters the picture. You wonder if he will keep pushing, or if he's become resigned to his fate.
Renault power? They're scrapping the wide-angle motor...what effect will that have on the handling of their car for next season?
Williams further improvement? That car improved by leaps and bounds as the season progressed. What happens next year, and for that matter, will their drivers show the mojo necessary to be consistent, and get the championship won.
McLaren? They used the MP-4/18 as a test mule for the 17, using as many parts and development bits as they could on the "old" car. Next year will come the 19. Will it be as radical as the 18?
Ferrari? Five straight Constructors titles, four Drivers titles for M. Schumacher. What's next? We can be sure that next year's car will simply be an advancement of this car, as, thanks to Bridgestone, we still don't know how fast this year's car was. :lol:
The other folks? Will Toyota hook it up, and will BAR finally reach the potential of all that money? What about Jaguar? Webber is clearly talented, but the car still isn't fast enough. Besides, with Ford's cost-cutting, who knows?
All in all, it was a fine season, though I could have done with less political squabbling over points, tires, etc. I'm looking forward to next year, and the one engine per weekend rule will be quite interesting. I would presume that if a car blows up, it starts from the back of the grid with an engine change.
The one engine rule could favor the extremely reliable and fast teams like Ferrari, which could mean an extended reign even in the face of faster competition.
We'll see in March!
Kevin
Schumacher's press conference comment about his race said it all, when he admitted to being sloppy on a few instances. The Sato thing...wow...the only thing I can think is that he was thinking that Sato would, in the face of what was at stake, let him through. Otherwise there's no explanation for the move.
The DaMatta thing was simply MS being surprised by the door suddenly being shut. Ralf was going to follow him through, I think. The view from DaMatta's in-car was hilarious, btw.
I also like how Schumacher kept focussing on the Ferrari team rather than his own personal accomplishments, because he, unlike too many champions who excel as part of a team concept, realize that without team excellence, no win is possible.
Other final thoughts are:
Whither Coulthard? He's shown that he has the talent to be a fine no. 2 driver, but every time he looks set to become no. 1, some flying Finn enters the picture. You wonder if he will keep pushing, or if he's become resigned to his fate.
Renault power? They're scrapping the wide-angle motor...what effect will that have on the handling of their car for next season?
Williams further improvement? That car improved by leaps and bounds as the season progressed. What happens next year, and for that matter, will their drivers show the mojo necessary to be consistent, and get the championship won.
McLaren? They used the MP-4/18 as a test mule for the 17, using as many parts and development bits as they could on the "old" car. Next year will come the 19. Will it be as radical as the 18?
Ferrari? Five straight Constructors titles, four Drivers titles for M. Schumacher. What's next? We can be sure that next year's car will simply be an advancement of this car, as, thanks to Bridgestone, we still don't know how fast this year's car was. :lol:
The other folks? Will Toyota hook it up, and will BAR finally reach the potential of all that money? What about Jaguar? Webber is clearly talented, but the car still isn't fast enough. Besides, with Ford's cost-cutting, who knows?
All in all, it was a fine season, though I could have done with less political squabbling over points, tires, etc. I'm looking forward to next year, and the one engine per weekend rule will be quite interesting. I would presume that if a car blows up, it starts from the back of the grid with an engine change.
The one engine rule could favor the extremely reliable and fast teams like Ferrari, which could mean an extended reign even in the face of faster competition.
We'll see in March!
Kevin
| larryg | 10-12-2003 09:03 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by rkkwan [/i]
[B]It's been said many times last year that Takuma Sato spent most of his racing career outside of Japan. So Suzuka is his "home track" only because of fan support, not because he knows the track better than other F1 drivers. [/B][/QUOTE]
Honda owns Suzuka...Sato should know his way around there as a BAR test driver. Either way, he drove a good race proving JV doesn't have much chance at an F1 ride next year. Especially considering JV didn't bother showing up for the last race.
The replay is starting, I'm going to watch it again :banana:
Larry
[B]It's been said many times last year that Takuma Sato spent most of his racing career outside of Japan. So Suzuka is his "home track" only because of fan support, not because he knows the track better than other F1 drivers. [/B][/QUOTE]
Honda owns Suzuka...Sato should know his way around there as a BAR test driver. Either way, he drove a good race proving JV doesn't have much chance at an F1 ride next year. Especially considering JV didn't bother showing up for the last race.
The replay is starting, I'm going to watch it again :banana:
Larry
| rkkwan | 10-12-2003 10:10 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by larryg [/i]
[B]Honda owns Suzuka...Sato should know his way around there as a BAR test driver.[/B][/QUOTE]
He could have done more this year at Suzuka, but I'm not sure. F1 has very strict testing rules for their teams, and from reading the UK magazine "Autosport" which has extensive F1 report every week year round, my impression is that BAR and all other teams mostly test their cars in various tracks of Southern Europe, and not Suzuka or anywhere else.
[B]Honda owns Suzuka...Sato should know his way around there as a BAR test driver.[/B][/QUOTE]
He could have done more this year at Suzuka, but I'm not sure. F1 has very strict testing rules for their teams, and from reading the UK magazine "Autosport" which has extensive F1 report every week year round, my impression is that BAR and all other teams mostly test their cars in various tracks of Southern Europe, and not Suzuka or anywhere else.
| AndyRoo | 10-13-2003 01:30 AM |
and the winner of the REAL championship...
592 Ken March
580 Lord Bass
569 Andrew Sekellick
550 Wesley Slone
526 Steve Morris
442 Alex Hofstetter
353 Jim Rider
265 Brian Hadfield
210 Fred Zaplitny
159 David Harrison
congrats on a well fought season, gentlemen.
What will the offseason bring?
Will Ken return to his glory in '04?
Will Lord Bass make any changes to catch up?
who knows?
592 Ken March
580 Lord Bass
569 Andrew Sekellick
550 Wesley Slone
526 Steve Morris
442 Alex Hofstetter
353 Jim Rider
265 Brian Hadfield
210 Fred Zaplitny
159 David Harrison
congrats on a well fought season, gentlemen.
What will the offseason bring?
Will Ken return to his glory in '04?
Will Lord Bass make any changes to catch up?
who knows?
| OnTheGas | 10-13-2003 03:19 AM |
Suzuka!
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[b]Takuma Sato[/b] was pretty impressive given that though he is a japanese driver, his first, and only previous car racing experience at Suzuka was last year in the Jordan. Prior to that, he raced in Japan in 1997 in karts... When he won a prestigous karting championship, he packed up and went to England... struggled for two seasons, before getting a good British F3 ride in 2000. Last year, he outqualified Fisichella 5 times, but was wild... BAR / Honda signed him on a three year contract... Just like Massa, a year of testing may have taken some of the crash out of him. He is the most promising japanese F1 driver I've ever seen.
[b]Montoya[/b] has been called a hot head by a british friend of mine, but Juan drove another excellent race til his german engine went kablamo! OTOH, Ralf exhibitted symptoms of red mist today, spinning three times... I remember before Ralf made the big show, that Michael used to brag that the faster Schumacher was Ralfie, but I don't think Ralf has Michael's intelligence, nor Michael's ability to analyse while behind the wheel. Of the two Wiliams drivers, Ron Dennis is getting the better of the two in 2005. McLaren's 2005 driver's line-up of Kimi and Juan is likely to be the best on the grid. Hope Ron puts a competitive car under their butts.
[b]Fernando[/b] could be champion if he gains more consistency... Looking at this season, his performance vs Jarno lacks consistency... The same problem which befell another favored, fast driver... Coulthard.
New points system sucked... 1st place should be worth more... four points more, like the old days. Michael won 6 races, and should have been crowned champion awhile ago.
[b]Montoya[/b] has been called a hot head by a british friend of mine, but Juan drove another excellent race til his german engine went kablamo! OTOH, Ralf exhibitted symptoms of red mist today, spinning three times... I remember before Ralf made the big show, that Michael used to brag that the faster Schumacher was Ralfie, but I don't think Ralf has Michael's intelligence, nor Michael's ability to analyse while behind the wheel. Of the two Wiliams drivers, Ron Dennis is getting the better of the two in 2005. McLaren's 2005 driver's line-up of Kimi and Juan is likely to be the best on the grid. Hope Ron puts a competitive car under their butts.
[b]Fernando[/b] could be champion if he gains more consistency... Looking at this season, his performance vs Jarno lacks consistency... The same problem which befell another favored, fast driver... Coulthard.
New points system sucked... 1st place should be worth more... four points more, like the old days. Michael won 6 races, and should have been crowned champion awhile ago.
| LordBass | 10-13-2003 12:54 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by AndyRoo [/i]
[B]Will Lord Bass make any changes to catch up?[/B][/QUOTE]:lol: Ah, but we will try. Considering how many awful weeks of picks I had this year I'm surprised to have been that close. Wasn't like the good ol' days of 2002 when picking 'red' and 'red' for #1, #2 were guaranteed points in the bank. I'll pass my 2002 crown to Ken. :)
Congrats to MS on #6. He's very lucky not to have lost this one. Here's another vote for the new points system not working properly. A bump of 1st to 12 points would likely suffice.
Bye bye to HHF & Villeneuve. And who did BAR pay to get both cars solidly in the points?
Here's crossing fingers for a Canadian Grand Prix for 2004 (still a possibility, apparently). See you all next March! (Feels like 100 years from now).
Cheers,
Chris
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[B]Will Lord Bass make any changes to catch up?[/B][/QUOTE]:lol: Ah, but we will try. Considering how many awful weeks of picks I had this year I'm surprised to have been that close. Wasn't like the good ol' days of 2002 when picking 'red' and 'red' for #1, #2 were guaranteed points in the bank. I'll pass my 2002 crown to Ken. :)
Congrats to MS on #6. He's very lucky not to have lost this one. Here's another vote for the new points system not working properly. A bump of 1st to 12 points would likely suffice.
Bye bye to HHF & Villeneuve. And who did BAR pay to get both cars solidly in the points?
Here's crossing fingers for a Canadian Grand Prix for 2004 (still a possibility, apparently). See you all next March! (Feels like 100 years from now).
Cheers,
Chris
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| Freelancer | 10-13-2003 01:10 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Dussander [/i]
[B]I hated that feeling when they first showed Montoya slowing down. Ugh, I guess that puff of smoke on lap one, really was a problem. I really love how both Montoya and Rubens tease each other. The ribbing in the qualifing interview killed me. Montoya's quote about his favorite 2003 highlight was classic. [/B][/QUOTE]
I know what you mean. Every time I see Montoya take the lead, I get this anxious feeling in my stomach because I'm afraid his car's going to crap out on him. Yet again my feeling was justified. :(
And I do love seeing the friendship between JPM and Rubens. It's such a change from the restrained (or not-so-restrained, sometimes) animosity or indifference that you usually see between drivers. I'd love to see them as a team!
[B]I hated that feeling when they first showed Montoya slowing down. Ugh, I guess that puff of smoke on lap one, really was a problem. I really love how both Montoya and Rubens tease each other. The ribbing in the qualifing interview killed me. Montoya's quote about his favorite 2003 highlight was classic. [/B][/QUOTE]
I know what you mean. Every time I see Montoya take the lead, I get this anxious feeling in my stomach because I'm afraid his car's going to crap out on him. Yet again my feeling was justified. :(
And I do love seeing the friendship between JPM and Rubens. It's such a change from the restrained (or not-so-restrained, sometimes) animosity or indifference that you usually see between drivers. I'd love to see them as a team!
| Freelancer | 10-13-2003 01:17 PM |
Re: Suzuka!
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by OnTheGas [/i]
[B]McLaren's 2005 driver's line-up of Kimi and Juan is likely to be the best on the grid. Hope Ron puts a competitive car under their butts. [/B][/QUOTE]
Sorry to be a little ignorant: Has this lineup been officially announced by McLaren, yet?
[B]McLaren's 2005 driver's line-up of Kimi and Juan is likely to be the best on the grid. Hope Ron puts a competitive car under their butts. [/B][/QUOTE]
Sorry to be a little ignorant: Has this lineup been officially announced by McLaren, yet?
| grandpa rex | 10-13-2003 06:04 PM |
I watched the race live on Star TV in Malaysia where I am on biz. We got the British feed. The announcers were unabashedly pro-McLaren and anti Ferriari and anti MS. They were quite critical of MS driving and blamed both his incident with Sato and Ralfie on him and even suggested that he should get a drive thru penalty for the ralfie incident. However, once the race was decided, they quickly turned into MS toadies and figurately kissed his butt calling his drive brilliant. I also wish they'd shut up a bit during the race. They talk non-stop.
One thing they mentioned was that when the circuit was designed the I 130 corner was named because they hoped that some day a driver would be able to take the corner at 130mph. During the race they were doing 180!
One thing they mentioned was that when the circuit was designed the I 130 corner was named because they hoped that some day a driver would be able to take the corner at 130mph. During the race they were doing 180!
| OnTheGas | 10-13-2003 06:30 PM |
Re: Suzuka!
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Freelancer [/i]
[B]Sorry to be a little ignorant: Has this lineup been officially announced by McLaren, yet? [/B][/QUOTE]Good question! The answer is no... it is an un-announced deal.
[B]Sorry to be a little ignorant: Has this lineup been officially announced by McLaren, yet? [/B][/QUOTE]Good question! The answer is no... it is an un-announced deal.
| StuBeck | 10-13-2003 06:42 PM |
Maybe if Williams actually paid Montoya he would stay with the team after 04...the pay that Ralf is making is ludicrous considering the race pace of the two drivers.
| OnTheGas | 10-13-2003 06:52 PM |
Re: Impreza.net F1 P6 Championship
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by AndyRoo [/i]
[B]and the winner of the REAL championship...
592 Ken March
580 Lord Bass
569 Andrew Sekellick
550 Wesley Slone
526 Steve Morris
442 Alex Hofstetter
353 Jim Rider
265 Brian Hadfield
210 Fred Zaplitny
159 David Harrison
congrats on a well fought season, gentlemen.
What will the offseason bring?
Will Ken return to his glory in '04?
Will Lord Bass make any changes to catch up?
who knows? [/B][/QUOTE]
Well I agree with Lord Bass, that he will likely return to his usual form next season. Last year he kicked my butt... I expect to see that again next year.
Congrats to Jim Rider, as well as Alex Hofstetter, who both picked Rubens to win, and also scored the most points, with Jim winning this round.
Looking forward to picking up the [b]Impreza.net F1 P6 Championship[/b] next March...
Ken
[B]and the winner of the REAL championship...
592 Ken March
580 Lord Bass
569 Andrew Sekellick
550 Wesley Slone
526 Steve Morris
442 Alex Hofstetter
353 Jim Rider
265 Brian Hadfield
210 Fred Zaplitny
159 David Harrison
congrats on a well fought season, gentlemen.
What will the offseason bring?
Will Ken return to his glory in '04?
Will Lord Bass make any changes to catch up?
who knows? [/B][/QUOTE]
Well I agree with Lord Bass, that he will likely return to his usual form next season. Last year he kicked my butt... I expect to see that again next year.
Congrats to Jim Rider, as well as Alex Hofstetter, who both picked Rubens to win, and also scored the most points, with Jim winning this round.
Looking forward to picking up the [b]Impreza.net F1 P6 Championship[/b] next March...
Ken
| NC2.5RS | 10-13-2003 08:23 PM |
Interesting race for sure. Schumacher has only qualified out of the top 10 TWICE in his ENTIRE CAREER.... so that was kinda shocking. But Rubens did what he was supposed to do, help Schumacher, and Ferrari win championships. Amazing race by Rubens. Cant wait for next year.
| Impreza Rider | 10-13-2003 08:27 PM |
Aw man, I didn't know I scored the most for this round :) Seeing as I only had like 35 points. The qualifying did mess me up a bit though ;) How do we find out how we did as a team?
Next year I'll do a bit better overall since I'll do every race, and not only from Monaco on.
Jim
Next year I'll do a bit better overall since I'll do every race, and not only from Monaco on.
Jim
| Leonardo | 10-13-2003 11:58 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Freelancer [/i]
[B]
And I do love seeing the friendship between JPM and Rubens. It's such a change from the restrained (or not-so-restrained, sometimes) animosity or indifference that you usually see between drivers. I'd love to see them as a team! [/B][/QUOTE]
I too would love to see Montoya take Michaels place if and when he retires!
That would be a killer combination only second to Kimi and JP but why would JP go to a team like Maclaren when the BMW proover to be a faster car during the season?
[B]
And I do love seeing the friendship between JPM and Rubens. It's such a change from the restrained (or not-so-restrained, sometimes) animosity or indifference that you usually see between drivers. I'd love to see them as a team! [/B][/QUOTE]
I too would love to see Montoya take Michaels place if and when he retires!
That would be a killer combination only second to Kimi and JP but why would JP go to a team like Maclaren when the BMW proover to be a faster car during the season?
| w0rXer | 10-14-2003 01:44 AM |
Ah, the MP17x is about two seasons old now. You have to give McLaren credit for what they have done with that chasis, and for taking the design risks (albeit fruitful) that made the MP18 unable to race this season.
I predict Kimi will be the man to beat next season for sure. Ilmore will have something to do with that though.
-My 2 cents.
I predict Kimi will be the man to beat next season for sure. Ilmore will have something to do with that though.
-My 2 cents.
| grandpa rex | 10-14-2003 08:00 AM |
Here's a report from the local newspaper in Malaysia where I'm visiting on biz:
"Michael Schumacher went on a drunken spree that left a trail of destruction after clinching his sixth world driver's championship crown at Suzuka on Sunday. The German ace and b rother Ralf trashed a hospitality suite and left it strewn with debris folowing boozy hijinks after the Japanese GP. The paddock was littered with bottles, Michael hijacked a forklift truck and Ralf tossed a television set through a window. It took a team of cleaners hours to clear up the mess and an eyewitness said: 'they looked as if they ahd gone wild. It was like a war zone.' Ironically, the two brothers had clashed on the track and Ralf had been angry with his brother for almost forcing him into the gravel at one point. The witness added: 'It started with them throwing drinks and escalated. Michael, who was smoking a big cigar handed Ralf the TV and he threw it out the window. Michael and Olivier Panis picked up a couple of tables and chairs and lobbed them at the broken window'."
Who says this guy is a stiff. Sounds like Guns 'n Roses.
"Michael Schumacher went on a drunken spree that left a trail of destruction after clinching his sixth world driver's championship crown at Suzuka on Sunday. The German ace and b rother Ralf trashed a hospitality suite and left it strewn with debris folowing boozy hijinks after the Japanese GP. The paddock was littered with bottles, Michael hijacked a forklift truck and Ralf tossed a television set through a window. It took a team of cleaners hours to clear up the mess and an eyewitness said: 'they looked as if they ahd gone wild. It was like a war zone.' Ironically, the two brothers had clashed on the track and Ralf had been angry with his brother for almost forcing him into the gravel at one point. The witness added: 'It started with them throwing drinks and escalated. Michael, who was smoking a big cigar handed Ralf the TV and he threw it out the window. Michael and Olivier Panis picked up a couple of tables and chairs and lobbed them at the broken window'."
Who says this guy is a stiff. Sounds like Guns 'n Roses.
| TimStevens | 10-14-2003 08:35 AM |
I was never a big MS fan, but I lost a lot of respect for him on Sunday. Blocking his brother, running into the back of Sato, almost doing it a second time (which cost his brother his nose), then the drunken rampage, now this:
[url]http://insider.speedtv.com/viewtopic.php?t=19661[/url]
[QUOTE]In Formula One, you accept that if somebody leaves the door open like he did you are allowed to go through. But obviously he saw it differently and decided at the last moment to slam the door shut on me. It was hard to avoid him and I lost my nose.[/QUOTE]
Yeah... it was [I]Sato's[/I] fault you ran into the back of him :rolleyes:
Here are some pictures from the drunken rampage the Schumachers (and Olivier Panis) went on:
[url]http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2003471498,00.html[/url]
[url]http://insider.speedtv.com/viewtopic.php?t=19661[/url]
[QUOTE]In Formula One, you accept that if somebody leaves the door open like he did you are allowed to go through. But obviously he saw it differently and decided at the last moment to slam the door shut on me. It was hard to avoid him and I lost my nose.[/QUOTE]
Yeah... it was [I]Sato's[/I] fault you ran into the back of him :rolleyes:
Here are some pictures from the drunken rampage the Schumachers (and Olivier Panis) went on:
[url]http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2003471498,00.html[/url]
| Freelancer | 10-14-2003 08:41 AM |
I, for one, certainly hope that Montoya doesn't go to McLaren. I don't like Kimi at all and really don't want to see them as teammates--especially since JPM would be McLaren's 2nd driver.
| TimStevens | 10-14-2003 08:45 AM |
I really don't think it's going to happen... at least not until next year.
Man, if it does though, what a kick in the balls that would be to DC. "Yes David, thanks very much for driving a second slower per lap than you could have to give Kimi a second place finish that didn't do him a damn bit of good anyhow. By the way, you're fired!"
-tim
Man, if it does though, what a kick in the balls that would be to DC. "Yes David, thanks very much for driving a second slower per lap than you could have to give Kimi a second place finish that didn't do him a damn bit of good anyhow. By the way, you're fired!"
-tim
| Freelancer | 10-14-2003 08:49 AM |
I was never an MS fan, but I at least respected him. But I've just lost every ounce of respect I did have for him. And to think I was rooting for him over Kimi on Sunday. Shame on me!
| Dussander | 10-14-2003 10:52 AM |
Eh, it doesn't sound like they hurt anyone and they didn't actually go driving around, so I have no problem with it as long as they pay for the cleanup and damage.
I've done some seriously stupid stuff while drunk. :cool:
I'm actually slighlty glad to know those guys can let loose, they usually seem so uptight.
I've done some seriously stupid stuff while drunk. :cool:
I'm actually slighlty glad to know those guys can let loose, they usually seem so uptight.
| w0rXer | 10-14-2003 01:01 PM |
its not the first time MS has gotten drunk and went stupid.
Finnland will rise again!
Finnland will rise again!
| gtguy | 10-14-2003 01:07 PM |
It's nice to know that Schumacher is human, after all. :lol: I daresay his hijinks don't affect my view of him as a racing driver one iota.
And as far as his comments about Sato, find me a driver who has ever admitted to fault in a collision. It happens rarely. Montoya, for example, will have "It was a racing incident" engraved on his headstone when he dies. :lol:
Sato DID leave the door open. Schumacher was just a wuss in going through it, and lost his nose as a consequence. Served him right, I say. Mid-attempted pass is not the time for second thoughts. :lol:
Kevin
And as far as his comments about Sato, find me a driver who has ever admitted to fault in a collision. It happens rarely. Montoya, for example, will have "It was a racing incident" engraved on his headstone when he dies. :lol:
Sato DID leave the door open. Schumacher was just a wuss in going through it, and lost his nose as a consequence. Served him right, I say. Mid-attempted pass is not the time for second thoughts. :lol:
Kevin
| TimStevens | 10-14-2003 02:04 PM |
How is it "leaving the door open" when MS didn't even have time to get a wheel inside of Sato? He barely even had his wing in there...
The Casio Triangle is an odd chicane and requires a late apex to get a smooth line through it. Sato wasn't leaving anything open, he was taking his line.
The Casio Triangle is an odd chicane and requires a late apex to get a smooth line through it. Sato wasn't leaving anything open, he was taking his line.
| gtguy | 10-14-2003 03:03 PM |
From my (awake) race viewing, it looked as if there was a gap there, and by the time Schumacher thought about sticking his nose in, then thought better of it, Sato had swept across to take the racing line.
If, for example, someone were to be courteous (and foolhardy, since it was for position) enough to let a world championship contender through, Sato would have stayed to the outside, thus letting Schumacher through, rather than taking the normal racing line.
No question, Schumacher screwed up. That he won't admit it is just par for the course for racing drivers. I remember being in the Team Kool Green pits when Paul Tracy and Michael Andretti went into a turn together, and Tracy's folks just started packing up the tools. They KNEW what was going to happen and sure enough, it did. Both called it a "racing incident." :lol:
Kevin
If, for example, someone were to be courteous (and foolhardy, since it was for position) enough to let a world championship contender through, Sato would have stayed to the outside, thus letting Schumacher through, rather than taking the normal racing line.
No question, Schumacher screwed up. That he won't admit it is just par for the course for racing drivers. I remember being in the Team Kool Green pits when Paul Tracy and Michael Andretti went into a turn together, and Tracy's folks just started packing up the tools. They KNEW what was going to happen and sure enough, it did. Both called it a "racing incident." :lol:
Kevin
| StuBeck | 10-14-2003 04:48 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by grandpa rex [/i]
[B]One thing they mentioned was that when the circuit was designed the I 130 corner was named because they hoped that some day a driver would be able to take the corner at 130mph. During the race they were doing 180! [/B][/QUOTE]
I heard that they actually named it 130R because that was the radius of the turn, that's why they renamed it because it isn't a 130 degree turn.
[B]One thing they mentioned was that when the circuit was designed the I 130 corner was named because they hoped that some day a driver would be able to take the corner at 130mph. During the race they were doing 180! [/B][/QUOTE]
I heard that they actually named it 130R because that was the radius of the turn, that's why they renamed it because it isn't a 130 degree turn.
| AndyRoo | 10-14-2003 05:42 PM |
I found that drunken rampage to be kinda funny. Little bit too over the top, but still funny.
| OnTheGas | 10-17-2003 12:35 AM |
Kimi - Champion... but for a little sprinkle of rain!
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by w0rXer [/i]
[B]its not the first time MS has gotten drunk and went stupid.[/B][/QUOTE]Yeah, it is good to see Michael having big fun! Work hard, play hard... I guess the robot is not a robot! :D
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by w0rXer [/i]
[B]Finnland will rise again![/B][/QUOTE]Think about this... All Kimi needed to be world champion in 2003, was a light sprinkle of rain during the second half of the race at Suzuka... All that was between him and a championship was Rubens in the lead, and Michael scratching it out hard to gain 8th place. But in the damp, sprinkle conditions, the Michelin dry tires walk around the Bstones... Suzuka is a drivers circuit, Kimi would have taken advantage, eaten up Rubens, and won the race, no way for Michael to hold onto 8th...
Or, if at Indy, instead of the light shower that fell, if it had only sprinkled... Kimi was positioned to take advantage of that, and could have won that race...
This was a very close championship. Another possibility is if Rubens had given a little more room in turn 2 @ Indy, Juan would have podiumed there. Combined that with a beemer motor that should have held together @ Suzuka, where he was gonna win or podium, and Juan would be the WDC...
Normally I don't care for folks playing "what if...", but I'm just saying that the championships were so close and competitive this season, that conditions had a strong influence on the final results.
[B]its not the first time MS has gotten drunk and went stupid.[/B][/QUOTE]Yeah, it is good to see Michael having big fun! Work hard, play hard... I guess the robot is not a robot! :D
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by w0rXer [/i]
[B]Finnland will rise again![/B][/QUOTE]Think about this... All Kimi needed to be world champion in 2003, was a light sprinkle of rain during the second half of the race at Suzuka... All that was between him and a championship was Rubens in the lead, and Michael scratching it out hard to gain 8th place. But in the damp, sprinkle conditions, the Michelin dry tires walk around the Bstones... Suzuka is a drivers circuit, Kimi would have taken advantage, eaten up Rubens, and won the race, no way for Michael to hold onto 8th...
Or, if at Indy, instead of the light shower that fell, if it had only sprinkled... Kimi was positioned to take advantage of that, and could have won that race...
This was a very close championship. Another possibility is if Rubens had given a little more room in turn 2 @ Indy, Juan would have podiumed there. Combined that with a beemer motor that should have held together @ Suzuka, where he was gonna win or podium, and Juan would be the WDC...
Normally I don't care for folks playing "what if...", but I'm just saying that the championships were so close and competitive this season, that conditions had a strong influence on the final results.
| gtguy | 10-17-2003 11:27 AM |
Here's something else I was noticing last night, watching some of the old races from this season past:
The old Ferrari was FAST, and dare I say, better suited to the capabilities of the Bridgestone rubber, it appears. I wonder how much work B-stone did with the F-2003, that is, was it a completely new tire, or a modification of the old design?
I know that everybody's car got better during the season and all, but man, that F2002 was fast!
I think that all of those guys threw away some points, and the 2-point gap between 1st and 2nd is just ridiculous. I've said it before and I'll say it again...sure it generates close points standings, but they're artificially close. Winners aren't rewarded in sufficient quantity. It's helping Richard Burns' laggardly butt, too.
Kevin
The old Ferrari was FAST, and dare I say, better suited to the capabilities of the Bridgestone rubber, it appears. I wonder how much work B-stone did with the F-2003, that is, was it a completely new tire, or a modification of the old design?
I know that everybody's car got better during the season and all, but man, that F2002 was fast!
I think that all of those guys threw away some points, and the 2-point gap between 1st and 2nd is just ridiculous. I've said it before and I'll say it again...sure it generates close points standings, but they're artificially close. Winners aren't rewarded in sufficient quantity. It's helping Richard Burns' laggardly butt, too.
Kevin
| Bonzo | 10-18-2003 11:21 AM |
speaking of the 130-r and Suzuka, it is a wonderfull track to drive. Suzuka until about 5 months ago was a totally new track for me. One track I knew was a tuffy to learn and even harder to master. I was scarred of it. Local knowledge typically gets the advantage. It is now on my top 5 of all time favs compared to just about every track in the world.
How? Easy, my pc allows me to drive and race at every venue in the world. It is soooo cool to see an in-car shot on tv and know just about exactly their turn in and braking points.
One thing that totally amazed me about Suzuka in real life is the amount of confidence the driver has in his car going into turn one :eek: Full chat and then at the last possible moment jab hard right for a late apex into the following set of exquisite corners.
A few others in Nabisco ppeps know what I am talking about related to the race sim world.
For you F1 officanados(sp) you might want to take a peek into this to get almost first hand knowledge of what they have to go thru.
The latest and imho greatest sim is EA's F1 99-03 Challenge. This sim is great alone but also is a base for many sports car (free) mods. U wanna race real? Many on-line and off-line leagues too. If you have the guts, on-line is about as intense as the real thing. I have needed showers and a big cold one after many races. Incredibly exciting and fun. One other much anticipated sim, that one day may be ready for release can be found at [url]www.west-racing.com.[/url] This will be a sim as much as it will be a training tool. It will be very advanced, full of features and expensive.
Sorry for getting a little OT here but I have been wanting to get this in here for some time. :) Maybe this needs a thread of it's own.
Now buy and go test your high and low down force theories at Indy or Monzer. Make sure you get familiar with the extensive telemetry data first.
Bonzo (Dave) Morretti, Team Crazy Salad
How? Easy, my pc allows me to drive and race at every venue in the world. It is soooo cool to see an in-car shot on tv and know just about exactly their turn in and braking points.
One thing that totally amazed me about Suzuka in real life is the amount of confidence the driver has in his car going into turn one :eek: Full chat and then at the last possible moment jab hard right for a late apex into the following set of exquisite corners.
A few others in Nabisco ppeps know what I am talking about related to the race sim world.
For you F1 officanados(sp) you might want to take a peek into this to get almost first hand knowledge of what they have to go thru.
The latest and imho greatest sim is EA's F1 99-03 Challenge. This sim is great alone but also is a base for many sports car (free) mods. U wanna race real? Many on-line and off-line leagues too. If you have the guts, on-line is about as intense as the real thing. I have needed showers and a big cold one after many races. Incredibly exciting and fun. One other much anticipated sim, that one day may be ready for release can be found at [url]www.west-racing.com.[/url] This will be a sim as much as it will be a training tool. It will be very advanced, full of features and expensive.
Sorry for getting a little OT here but I have been wanting to get this in here for some time. :) Maybe this needs a thread of it's own.
Now buy and go test your high and low down force theories at Indy or Monzer. Make sure you get familiar with the extensive telemetry data first.
Bonzo (Dave) Morretti, Team Crazy Salad
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