| Clegg | 02-01-2002 11:26 PM |
Sweden Speedvision production... ***?!
since this doesnt have much to do with the race, but more to do with speedvision I think it warrants its own thread.
What you guys think of the new format... the rather large change from the Monte format??? Its like ESPN2 meets Speedvision.. and also *** is the deal with the commentator..
Why god why are they trying to ruin this thing.... I want the commentator from last year!!
What you guys think of the new format... the rather large change from the Monte format??? Its like ESPN2 meets Speedvision.. and also *** is the deal with the commentator..
Why god why are they trying to ruin this thing.... I want the commentator from last year!!
| cvalle-sd | 02-01-2002 11:44 PM |
Last rally! The english guy did the Monte - this american guy has me thinking I'm watching Sno-drift (no offense, natch).
e-mail time again
e-mail time again
| Clegg | 02-01-2002 11:47 PM |
Yeh I keep on thinking I am watching the X Games with cars or something.... this american cant stay when its a 100% NON american sport right now...
| speedMracer | 02-02-2002 12:01 AM |
speed channel!@#$#
Man, our nightmares are coming true. What the #$#!? Why do they have to make other 'respectable' sports sound like a Nascar race or a tractor pull?? Give us the sport like it was meant to be viewed. Soon they will change the theme song to some banjo like music... <sigh>
| Clegg | 02-02-2002 12:05 AM |
or have a Waltrip doing commentary... Welcome to [b]NASCA[/b]W[b]R[/b]C
| Scoobie Newbie | 02-02-2002 12:12 AM |
Time to send Speedvision an email.:mad:
| blitzpb | 02-02-2002 12:58 AM |
Im just happy the WRC is getting more air time this year!
Nick
Nick
| ANZAC_1915 | 02-02-2002 01:07 AM |
| pio!pio! | 02-02-2002 01:21 AM |
This is what I wrote:
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Dear Speedvision,
I am writing to you in regards of the 2002 World Rally Championship coverage. In specific, the change of announcer from Rally Monte Carlo to Rally Sweden.
The loyal viewers who watch the rally coverage (including myself) would request that the old announcer return to form. The new announcer's style detracts from the quality of the show. It is seriously causing a ruckus in the current fanbase of Speedvision watching rally lovers.
I appreciate the expanded rally coverage this year, and I understand the idea of putting an American announcer in to appeal to a larger viewer base; but I feel that it was bad strategy to replace the current announcer. Let rally stand on it's own in it's original format. I have a strong feeling that by switching to this announcer, Speedvision will be losing more viewers than they gain as the true rally enthusiasts (who faithfully watch all the coverage and don't even switch during commercials (good for advertisers) vs the casual channel flipper) will seek alternative forms of rally coverage.
I seriously felt the new commentator detracted from the quality of an otherwise excellent show.
Thank you for your time and I hope my comments are taken into consideration (as I am only one of MANY who think this way)
David Pio
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Dear Speedvision,
I am writing to you in regards of the 2002 World Rally Championship coverage. In specific, the change of announcer from Rally Monte Carlo to Rally Sweden.
The loyal viewers who watch the rally coverage (including myself) would request that the old announcer return to form. The new announcer's style detracts from the quality of the show. It is seriously causing a ruckus in the current fanbase of Speedvision watching rally lovers.
I appreciate the expanded rally coverage this year, and I understand the idea of putting an American announcer in to appeal to a larger viewer base; but I feel that it was bad strategy to replace the current announcer. Let rally stand on it's own in it's original format. I have a strong feeling that by switching to this announcer, Speedvision will be losing more viewers than they gain as the true rally enthusiasts (who faithfully watch all the coverage and don't even switch during commercials (good for advertisers) vs the casual channel flipper) will seek alternative forms of rally coverage.
I seriously felt the new commentator detracted from the quality of an otherwise excellent show.
Thank you for your time and I hope my comments are taken into consideration (as I am only one of MANY who think this way)
David Pio
| Imprezard | 02-02-2002 02:00 AM |
Yeah... when I turned on the TV for WRC today I was confused...
The event just doesn't sound right with the american accent commentator. The way he pronounced some of the drivers' names was kind of weird...
I want the good old British commentator back... time to write email.
The event just doesn't sound right with the american accent commentator. The way he pronounced some of the drivers' names was kind of weird...
I want the good old British commentator back... time to write email.
| Ghostrider | 02-02-2002 03:38 AM |
i agree they ruined it for sure the old announcers almost told it as a story and this american guy didnt know what he was talking about:mad: :(
| Imprezard | 02-02-2002 05:00 AM |
I still can't stand the way he pronounce Rovanpera...:lol:
| Baluchitherium4 | 02-02-2002 09:09 AM |
I'm happy the WRC is even being covered so I'm not complaining.
Later,
Dale
Later,
Dale
| WRX Fan | 02-02-2002 10:09 AM |
New announcer bad.
Old announcer good.
Let's all send an e-mail, they will get the hint!!
Old announcer good.
Let's all send an e-mail, they will get the hint!!
| suber | 02-02-2002 11:13 AM |
I sorta think they're actually having Ralph Sheheen READ the script the Euro guys used to provide a "soothing and familiar" American accent over the video. There seemed be a lot of dropouts in some of the in-car audio when he was blabbing. Also compare to the Monte broadcasts - a lot of the phrasing is identical!!!
OO! OO! FOX, get Homer Simpson to report WRC!!!
Can't leave a good thing alone, eh, FOX/Speedchannel? Slobs!
(although, I do appreciate the same-weekend coverage, and the more rally video the better, I always say....)
Oh yeah! What do you think is much different from Monte other than Ralph? I thought the Monte daily reports were similar to last night's episode. They could make a good half hour news report by dispensing with some of the less interesting "in-car".
OO! OO! FOX, get Homer Simpson to report WRC!!!
Can't leave a good thing alone, eh, FOX/Speedchannel? Slobs!
(although, I do appreciate the same-weekend coverage, and the more rally video the better, I always say....)
Oh yeah! What do you think is much different from Monte other than Ralph? I thought the Monte daily reports were similar to last night's episode. They could make a good half hour news report by dispensing with some of the less interesting "in-car".
| Jeremy | 02-02-2002 11:39 AM |
I sent my e-mails
What really got me was the "in-car" section just before the last stage. He proclaimed how important the co-drivers are, and then proceded to name only the driver when we switched to the in-car.
It's kind of like, "Hey, here's a section dedicated to the most important person to the rally's success (next to the driver), but you don't need to know his name." :mad:
The mispronunciations really irked me too.
I sent my e-mail to the speedvision addresses, althought it probably won't do one bit of good.
Does anyone have feedback addresses for speed channel? There probably aren't any, huh?
Jeremy
It's kind of like, "Hey, here's a section dedicated to the most important person to the rally's success (next to the driver), but you don't need to know his name." :mad:
The mispronunciations really irked me too.
I sent my e-mail to the speedvision addresses, althought it probably won't do one bit of good.
Does anyone have feedback addresses for speed channel? There probably aren't any, huh?
Jeremy
| Orion | 02-02-2002 05:01 PM |
They need to send Ralph Sheheen back to TNN where he belongs covering Monster Trucks and Swamp Buggy Races. Did anyone catch his little NASCAR quip???:eek:
I was appalled Thursday when they had him read the dialogue for RallyXS. I was even more upset when I tuned in last night and had to put up with him for an hour! Now that I know how horrible the coverage is, I don't think I'm going to bother watching!!!:mad:
I was appalled Thursday when they had him read the dialogue for RallyXS. I was even more upset when I tuned in last night and had to put up with him for an hour! Now that I know how horrible the coverage is, I don't think I'm going to bother watching!!!:mad:
| xMetal | 02-02-2002 09:54 PM |
damn, you people crack me up.
Speedvision changes owners and messageboards around the earth moan and scream and complain that our favorite racing won't get covered at all.
Then Speedvision shows nearly [b]5 freakin hours[/b] of coverage for one rally, SAME DAY, and you still find something to complain about.
What would you rather have? 1 hour of super-condensed coverage nearly a month after the event, or same day, extensive coverage with an American announcer?
My god, be thankful we get anything at all and stuff your whining.
:confused:
Speedvision changes owners and messageboards around the earth moan and scream and complain that our favorite racing won't get covered at all.
Then Speedvision shows nearly [b]5 freakin hours[/b] of coverage for one rally, SAME DAY, and you still find something to complain about.
What would you rather have? 1 hour of super-condensed coverage nearly a month after the event, or same day, extensive coverage with an American announcer?
My god, be thankful we get anything at all and stuff your whining.
:confused:
| ANZAC_1915 | 02-02-2002 11:54 PM |
Hey, they covered the Monte with the regular announcer. There was no need to change.
Do you think the WRC should have a NASCAR/Monster Truck image?
Do you think the WRC should have a NASCAR/Monster Truck image?
| rsquire | 02-03-2002 12:05 AM |
Come on People!!!
Tonight I think he did a pretty good job..
Damn It .. He even got the co-driver names right :D
I'm now thinking give Ralph a bit of time and maybe .. just maybe he can do the job
Perhaps Speed.. whatsit ;) should actually send him to one of these events
Tonight I think he did a pretty good job..
Damn It .. He even got the co-driver names right :D
I'm now thinking give Ralph a bit of time and maybe .. just maybe he can do the job
Perhaps Speed.. whatsit ;) should actually send him to one of these events
| BlueRidgeRS | 02-03-2002 12:43 AM |
I've got mixed feelings about this one.
On one hand, there is tons of in car action, interviews, and overall coverage. All of which is really great! Kudos to Speedvision, or soon to be Speed Channel (I liked Speedvision better).
On the other hand, it's like watching a mini-series stretched over 3 days. What if I can't make it to the tele on the third day? :( And the new announcer HAS to go. It sounds REALLY strange watching an international sport with all European drivers and then having an American commentator. No offense to Mr. Sheheen but the British announcer just completed the picture much better.
I'm willing to sacrifice some coverage for a 2 hour, one night show with our old announcer :)
On one hand, there is tons of in car action, interviews, and overall coverage. All of which is really great! Kudos to Speedvision, or soon to be Speed Channel (I liked Speedvision better).
On the other hand, it's like watching a mini-series stretched over 3 days. What if I can't make it to the tele on the third day? :( And the new announcer HAS to go. It sounds REALLY strange watching an international sport with all European drivers and then having an American commentator. No offense to Mr. Sheheen but the British announcer just completed the picture much better.
I'm willing to sacrifice some coverage for a 2 hour, one night show with our old announcer :)
| rsquire | 02-03-2002 01:16 AM |
[quote]On the other hand, it's like watching a mini-series stretched over 3 days. What if I can't make it to the tele on the third day? And the new announcer HAS to go. It sounds REALLY strange watching an international sport with all European drivers and then having an American commentator[/quote]
Thank God that Golf is a one day game and all the Commentators are European :rolleyes:
Come on at least he is improving..
Thursday with the little maxpower RallyXS disaster then yeah I agree..
that show needs REMOVING.... as does the magazine..
Tonight's coverage was pretty good and sounds better than the coverage that the UK people are complaining about..
Thank God that Golf is a one day game and all the Commentators are European :rolleyes:
Come on at least he is improving..
Thursday with the little maxpower RallyXS disaster then yeah I agree..
that show needs REMOVING.... as does the magazine..
Tonight's coverage was pretty good and sounds better than the coverage that the UK people are complaining about..
| Luvmy2.5RS | 02-03-2002 01:57 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Glenn Wallace [/i]
[B]Hey, they covered the Monte with the regular announcer. There was no need to change.
Do you think the WRC should have a NASCAR/Monster Truck image? [/B][/QUOTE]
I don't know much about their big change to the "Speed Channel" but maybe they're actually going for more of a NASCAR look, in all reality, thats where the money is. So it would make sense business wise... i guess...
[B]Hey, they covered the Monte with the regular announcer. There was no need to change.
Do you think the WRC should have a NASCAR/Monster Truck image? [/B][/QUOTE]
I don't know much about their big change to the "Speed Channel" but maybe they're actually going for more of a NASCAR look, in all reality, thats where the money is. So it would make sense business wise... i guess...
| Imprezard | 02-03-2002 06:19 AM |
Whether he does a good job or not. It's all about the accent. :D
| Fmdeadrick | 02-03-2002 10:04 AM |
I want a "commentator off" button. They could do this with the SAP. Maybe it's available in Spanish. I could learn Spanish.
Mark
Mark
| direwlf | 02-03-2002 10:39 AM |
I seem to be in the minority that don't mind him. Granted, some of his quips are rather irritating, but for the most part hes doing a good job. haven't heard him mangle anyones name too badly or too often (I mean, come on, if you didn't know who juha kankkunen was would you know how to pronounce his name either?). At least he didn't call her tina THORNER :)
| meebs | 02-03-2002 01:19 PM |
[quote][b]My god, be thankful we get anything at all and stuff your whining.[/b][/quote]
Hrm... how about... NO? It's funny how people forget how television runs... WRC is prodominantly brought to you by who again?
We give money to Subaru, Subaru gives money to Speedvision.
Although I agree, he is doing better. If he could just turn the volume down a touch more.
mitch
Hrm... how about... NO? It's funny how people forget how television runs... WRC is prodominantly brought to you by who again?
We give money to Subaru, Subaru gives money to Speedvision.
Although I agree, he is doing better. If he could just turn the volume down a touch more.
mitch
| mvb | 02-03-2002 01:28 PM |
I could care less who the annoncer is. I am glad to get same day WRC coverage.
| stiguy555 | 02-03-2002 08:32 PM |
New announcer is terrible. He should go back to TNN where he belongs, covering a tractor pull.
I hate how he says Hyundai, he says it like "Hai-yun-dai", its more like "Hun-day".
Whatever, I dont even get Speedvision, I just watch it at a friends house.
I miss the english commentator, he really improved the overall quality of the show, this new guy is embarassing.:mad:
I hate how he says Hyundai, he says it like "Hai-yun-dai", its more like "Hun-day".
Whatever, I dont even get Speedvision, I just watch it at a friends house.
I miss the english commentator, he really improved the overall quality of the show, this new guy is embarassing.:mad:
| JamesC | 02-03-2002 09:17 PM |
I think there are quite a few people here, and many more other viewers I suspect, that are not "take what you can get" people. We are the paying cable or satellite customers, we are the people paying the sponsors and we are the people Speedvision/channel have to please. The new commentator does not please me and most definitely does not add value. We need someone we can look up to and learn from. Mr. Sheheen is neither of these - not even with his ITV script...
I have praised Speedvision/channel for the expanded coverage and urged them to reconsider their choice in personalities OR (to give the short version) immerse Mr. Sheheen in Rally 101 followed by intense WRC Bootcamp including CONSTANT follow-up with current WRC news/events. These are the types of things required of a successful announcer. Mr. Sheheen needs to eat, sleep and (let's say) dream RALLY, constantly, to make the turnaround necessary for us to regain respect.
JamesC
I have praised Speedvision/channel for the expanded coverage and urged them to reconsider their choice in personalities OR (to give the short version) immerse Mr. Sheheen in Rally 101 followed by intense WRC Bootcamp including CONSTANT follow-up with current WRC news/events. These are the types of things required of a successful announcer. Mr. Sheheen needs to eat, sleep and (let's say) dream RALLY, constantly, to make the turnaround necessary for us to regain respect.
JamesC
| johnfelstead | 02-03-2002 09:34 PM |
ITV?????
Don't you mean Channel 4 :lol:
Don't you mean Channel 4 :lol:
| JamesC | 02-03-2002 09:48 PM |
Eeeh, whatever :p
JamesC
JamesC
| meebs | 02-04-2002 12:11 AM |
say again?
[quote][b]New announcer is terrible. He should go back to TNN where he belongs, covering a tractor pull.
I hate how he says Hyundai, he says it like "Hai-yun-dai", its more like "Hun-day".
[/b][/quote]
Need we have John remind us how the Brits say Hyundai and Jaguar? :D
Mitch
I hate how he says Hyundai, he says it like "Hai-yun-dai", its more like "Hun-day".
[/b][/quote]
Need we have John remind us how the Brits say Hyundai and Jaguar? :D
Mitch
| mvb | 02-04-2002 12:19 AM |
I would almost bet that the new guy listens to the Brit and says *almost* exactly the same thing...just in proper english (johnfelstead is going to LOVE that) :D .
| kelley nelson | 02-04-2002 12:35 AM |
Amen!
I feel pretty guilty complaining about this too, but I can't help it. The coverage is amazing. It really builds up a lot of suspense around the rallies and it's hard to keep from looking online to see what is happening on the stages during the day.
This Ralph guy is driving me nuts though. He just doesn't seem to know his stuff and he's also just out of place amongst the european settings and people.
I noticed tonight that all the distances are being called out in miles instead of Kilometers. They are definitely trying to Americanize it.
I am one of those people that rolls their eyes when people go on about how they thing everything is better in europe, but rallying is european, and it should stay european, imho.
If Speedvision wants a venue to help draw in new people and explain the sport, I think the best place to do it is during the RallyXS show.
I feel pretty guilty complaining about this too, but I can't help it. The coverage is amazing. It really builds up a lot of suspense around the rallies and it's hard to keep from looking online to see what is happening on the stages during the day.
This Ralph guy is driving me nuts though. He just doesn't seem to know his stuff and he's also just out of place amongst the european settings and people.
I noticed tonight that all the distances are being called out in miles instead of Kilometers. They are definitely trying to Americanize it.
I am one of those people that rolls their eyes when people go on about how they thing everything is better in europe, but rallying is european, and it should stay european, imho.
If Speedvision wants a venue to help draw in new people and explain the sport, I think the best place to do it is during the RallyXS show.
| Opie | 02-04-2002 08:09 AM |
:rolleyes:
| TimStevens | 02-04-2002 11:32 AM |
I agree... he's annoying. And, given a chance, I'd like to have the original guy from last year back (the new guy they had for Monte didn't do anything for me either).
BUT, I'm pretty happy with all this coverage, and there seemed to be a lot less repeated footage than that shown at the Monte, so I'm not going to go complaining to Speedvision.
Careful with all those e-mails to them. If you give them the impression you'll never be happy with anything they'll just say "Fine then, we'll go back to the original plan of NASCAR all the time!"
-tim
BUT, I'm pretty happy with all this coverage, and there seemed to be a lot less repeated footage than that shown at the Monte, so I'm not going to go complaining to Speedvision.
Careful with all those e-mails to them. If you give them the impression you'll never be happy with anything they'll just say "Fine then, we'll go back to the original plan of NASCAR all the time!"
-tim
| Idjiit | 02-04-2002 12:05 PM |
While I think the announcer is irritating, keep it all in perspective.
A) We're getting 5 days of coverage.
B) The fact that SpeedVision [b]invested money[/b] in the program to "sanitize" the content for American audiences shows a great level of commitment on their behalf! Rock on, SpeedVision!
With that said, this guy really sucks.
If having an irritating American voice over the WRC coverage is what it takes to make WRC popular in the states, and lands us our own event here, I'm all for it. But I do hope they find someone else if they think having a more "familiar" voice is crucial to the success of the program.
A) We're getting 5 days of coverage.
B) The fact that SpeedVision [b]invested money[/b] in the program to "sanitize" the content for American audiences shows a great level of commitment on their behalf! Rock on, SpeedVision!
With that said, this guy really sucks.
If having an irritating American voice over the WRC coverage is what it takes to make WRC popular in the states, and lands us our own event here, I'm all for it. But I do hope they find someone else if they think having a more "familiar" voice is crucial to the success of the program.
| ImprezaRS2000 | 02-04-2002 01:15 PM |
I'm just happy we have coverage, but if I were to complain about anything, it would be the overabundance of in-car camera. I think it's cool once in a while, but, for example, when a car is rolling, it is MUCH cooler from the outside. I'm sure it's just harder to catch it all from the ground and air...
Give the new announcer a chance, and he may be okay.
Peace!
Dan
Give the new announcer a chance, and he may be okay.
Peace!
Dan
| pio!pio! | 02-04-2002 01:44 PM |
as far as in car rolls go, I agree that outcar film of the roll is much better, BUT..they don't have camera crews at each corner of a 20 mile stage nor do they have a helicoptor chasing every car.
So I guess we make dur with in car footage, which is fine by me :D
I love seeing the scenery move sideways out of the front of the vehicle!
So I guess we make dur with in car footage, which is fine by me :D
I love seeing the scenery move sideways out of the front of the vehicle!
| TheWake | 02-04-2002 03:33 PM |
Why don't all you guys who like the old commentator better give the new guy a chance to learn more about the job. Not everyone is good on the first try. Perhaps he is new to ralling and will be good after a few events. How long did it take you to figure out all the subtle things that go on in the WRC?
| pio!pio! | 02-04-2002 04:00 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by TheWake [/i]
[B]Why don't all you guys who like the old commentator better give the new guy a chance to learn more about the job. Not everyone is good on the first try. Perhaps he is new to ralling and will be good after a few events. How long did it take you to figure out all the subtle things that go on in the WRC? [/B][/QUOTE]
It's a little more than that. If you have an announcer for, say football, you expect him to know about the game and the players before he becomes an announcer. I mean, why would you hire a commentator that knows nothing about what they are commenting on?
And on a more personal and opinionated note (just an opinion, not what everyone thinks), I just don't like the sound of his voice or the way he commentates versus the other guy. (Sheheen is very energetic and loud whereas the other guy was more British)
And I like the even older guy better (I miss the way he pronounced Hyundai, Hi-On-Die.)
So for me, the objection is NOT on how they pronounce things (even the British mess that up, not just the American announcer) but more his on his lack of depth of knowledge of the field, as well as my own personal feeling about his voice and commentating style.
[B]Why don't all you guys who like the old commentator better give the new guy a chance to learn more about the job. Not everyone is good on the first try. Perhaps he is new to ralling and will be good after a few events. How long did it take you to figure out all the subtle things that go on in the WRC? [/B][/QUOTE]
It's a little more than that. If you have an announcer for, say football, you expect him to know about the game and the players before he becomes an announcer. I mean, why would you hire a commentator that knows nothing about what they are commenting on?
And on a more personal and opinionated note (just an opinion, not what everyone thinks), I just don't like the sound of his voice or the way he commentates versus the other guy. (Sheheen is very energetic and loud whereas the other guy was more British)
And I like the even older guy better (I miss the way he pronounced Hyundai, Hi-On-Die.)
So for me, the objection is NOT on how they pronounce things (even the British mess that up, not just the American announcer) but more his on his lack of depth of knowledge of the field, as well as my own personal feeling about his voice and commentating style.
| JamesC | 02-04-2002 04:11 PM |
I agree with Pio!,
I think he should already have some intrinsic interest in the sport but will concede that he can learn...
Here is a small part of what I sent speedvision last week.
""-Immerse Mr. Sheheen in the world of WRC. Pile articles on his desk, require regular visits to the news section of [url]www.wrc.com[/url] and [url]www.rally-live.com[/url] (to name but two), send Mr. Sheheen to live local club-rally events (at a minimum) and if needed require darn book reports from accounts of years past. Run re-plays of years gone by on a TV in his office so that he is familiar with our rally heroes, buy him books on historical events...whatever it takes for him to gain more knowledge than us enthusiastic viewers so that he can add value to our commitment. Most of us with Rally close to our hearts know that the sport is about to take off in popularity, not only in the rest of the world where it already enjoys healthy participation but also in North America. We sincerely hope that a constant feeling of follow-up to the commitment by the Speedvision team to take on the same-day same-duration WRC coverage will show itself in the form of a commentator we can look up to and learn from.""
This won't help it if you don't like the sound of his VOICE :lol: but will help us overall, I hope.
JamesC :)
I think he should already have some intrinsic interest in the sport but will concede that he can learn...
Here is a small part of what I sent speedvision last week.
""-Immerse Mr. Sheheen in the world of WRC. Pile articles on his desk, require regular visits to the news section of [url]www.wrc.com[/url] and [url]www.rally-live.com[/url] (to name but two), send Mr. Sheheen to live local club-rally events (at a minimum) and if needed require darn book reports from accounts of years past. Run re-plays of years gone by on a TV in his office so that he is familiar with our rally heroes, buy him books on historical events...whatever it takes for him to gain more knowledge than us enthusiastic viewers so that he can add value to our commitment. Most of us with Rally close to our hearts know that the sport is about to take off in popularity, not only in the rest of the world where it already enjoys healthy participation but also in North America. We sincerely hope that a constant feeling of follow-up to the commitment by the Speedvision team to take on the same-day same-duration WRC coverage will show itself in the form of a commentator we can look up to and learn from.""
This won't help it if you don't like the sound of his VOICE :lol: but will help us overall, I hope.
JamesC :)
| TimStevens | 02-04-2002 04:42 PM |
Just out of curiosity, how do you guys know that he isn't a huge rally enthusiast? I know that, being a big rally fan myself, if I had to talk for an hour straight about rallying I might be prone to mispronounce some of the more obscure names, yet I hope ya'll wouldn't hold it against me.
-tim
-tim
| ANZAC_1915 | 02-04-2002 05:13 PM |
So what's the right way to say "Peugot"?
I say "Perr-szho".
I say "Perr-szho".
| motorob | 02-04-2002 05:49 PM |
I believe the old host was Tiff Needel, co-host of the show "Top Gear" on the BBC. But I could be wrong... where's Felstead when you need him?
| johnfelstead | 02-04-2002 06:44 PM |
i am here
you say it perrgeot (very similar to what glenn is saying) or pugot if you wanna take the piss. :D
we say hi un die too. :D
sorry guys but you cant learn a sport as complex as rally in a few days or weeks. If you want to talk about it with some knowledge and enthusiasm that translates you need to have been round the sport for years.
I have been doing rallies since 1982 and i still learn things but i understand instantly what the new thing means cos i have all the basics hard coded in my head.
It's the same for any sport that is in anyway complex.
Can you imagine me comentating on NASCAR. (well, i would be asleep in 10 minutes so thats out anyway).
P.S We brits never mess up. :D:lol:
you say it perrgeot (very similar to what glenn is saying) or pugot if you wanna take the piss. :D
we say hi un die too. :D
sorry guys but you cant learn a sport as complex as rally in a few days or weeks. If you want to talk about it with some knowledge and enthusiasm that translates you need to have been round the sport for years.
I have been doing rallies since 1982 and i still learn things but i understand instantly what the new thing means cos i have all the basics hard coded in my head.
It's the same for any sport that is in anyway complex.
Can you imagine me comentating on NASCAR. (well, i would be asleep in 10 minutes so thats out anyway).
P.S We brits never mess up. :D:lol:
| blitzpb | 02-04-2002 06:58 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by pio!pio! [/i]
[B]as far as in car rolls go, I agree that outcar film of the roll is much better, BUT..they don't have camera crews at each corner of a 20 mile stage nor do they have a helicoptor chasing every car.
So I guess we make dur with in car footage, which is fine by me :D
I love seeing the scenery move sideways out of the front of the vehicle! [/B][/QUOTE]
Hah hah, I loved watching gronholm's slack jawed super intense looks! Not one change in expression!
Sorry, that wasnt a very "rally enthusiast" comment for me to make.
Nick
[B]as far as in car rolls go, I agree that outcar film of the roll is much better, BUT..they don't have camera crews at each corner of a 20 mile stage nor do they have a helicoptor chasing every car.
So I guess we make dur with in car footage, which is fine by me :D
I love seeing the scenery move sideways out of the front of the vehicle! [/B][/QUOTE]
Hah hah, I loved watching gronholm's slack jawed super intense looks! Not one change in expression!
Sorry, that wasnt a very "rally enthusiast" comment for me to make.
Nick
| direwlf | 02-04-2002 07:21 PM |
I liked sheehens one comment about gronholm on the in car: "jeez, does the guy ever BLINK?"
| blitzpb | 02-04-2002 07:23 PM |
Yeah, he really seemed to get into it after a while. I can see him being skeptical of the whole event at the beginning. But as time progressed and he watched more, he was like GAWDAMN, this SHEET is friggin fun to watch!!!!
| Rebellion | 02-04-2002 07:42 PM |
awww... does that mean there's no more Impretzas?
btw John... where'd you brit's find that "T"? It seems to have fallen off the back of my car. I only have an Impreza. :) Can you ship one over to me?! :lol:
btw John... where'd you brit's find that "T"? It seems to have fallen off the back of my car. I only have an Impreza. :) Can you ship one over to me?! :lol:
| Subie Gal | 02-04-2002 08:45 PM |
i think that Ralph sounds like poo poo too...
[b]but....[/b]
beggars cant be choosers, and give the guy a chance...
none of us learned the sport of rally in a day, and neither shall he.
give him time to get a feel for it... i think he'll improve...
i get Speedvisions idea behind Ralph doing the announcing...
EXPAND the field of viewers - reach out to people who've not seen nor heard of rally... and if Ralphy-boy is what it takes to broaden the spectrum of this sport then so be it! Way to go Speedvision!
I for one am thankful to have same day coverage, regardless of the announcer/voice over.... my mute button works just fine! :)
As for the incar... i cant get enough of it...
i love seeing the road as it comes up...
watching what the driver does w/their hands...
and how the car reacts...
erm...
but then again.. that could just be me :D
jamie
[url]www.subiegal.com[/url]
[b]but....[/b]
beggars cant be choosers, and give the guy a chance...
none of us learned the sport of rally in a day, and neither shall he.
give him time to get a feel for it... i think he'll improve...
i get Speedvisions idea behind Ralph doing the announcing...
EXPAND the field of viewers - reach out to people who've not seen nor heard of rally... and if Ralphy-boy is what it takes to broaden the spectrum of this sport then so be it! Way to go Speedvision!
I for one am thankful to have same day coverage, regardless of the announcer/voice over.... my mute button works just fine! :)
As for the incar... i cant get enough of it...
i love seeing the road as it comes up...
watching what the driver does w/their hands...
and how the car reacts...
erm...
but then again.. that could just be me :D
jamie
[url]www.subiegal.com[/url]
| Tony | 02-04-2002 09:11 PM |
It isn't the accent. For all I care we could have announcers speaking pig-latin and I'd be fine as long as the commentary was interesting (ex-patriot Limey here). "Onholmgray insway ethay Edishsway allyray!" I just wish there was some decent content. That said, it's 1000 times better than the coverage we got last year and 10,000 times better than the year before.
If the commentary gets worse I'll have to watch it like I did Bay Watch in school (muted with some good music playing, Oooo! they're jogging in slow motion again!).
Tony
If the commentary gets worse I'll have to watch it like I did Bay Watch in school (muted with some good music playing, Oooo! they're jogging in slow motion again!).
Tony
| johnfelstead | 02-05-2002 08:21 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Rebellion [/i]
[B]awww... does that mean there's no more Impretzas?
btw John... where'd you brit's find that "T"? It seems to have fallen off the back of my car. I only have an Impreza. :) Can you ship one over to me?! :lol: [/B][/QUOTE]
Actually, very few Brits say Impretza, it's just those southern puffs that like to jaz things up a bit.
I say it more like Impressa
[B]awww... does that mean there's no more Impretzas?
btw John... where'd you brit's find that "T"? It seems to have fallen off the back of my car. I only have an Impreza. :) Can you ship one over to me?! :lol: [/B][/QUOTE]
Actually, very few Brits say Impretza, it's just those southern puffs that like to jaz things up a bit.
I say it more like Impressa
| apeirce | 02-05-2002 08:56 AM |
Know your subject
I don't want to give Ralph Shaheen the chance to learn about WRC. I want the talent they used for the Monte. He has been flubbing broadcasts in second rate NASCAR races for years. He was an idiot when I first met him 9 years ago and hasn't got any better.
I don't want sanitized for America rally coverage.
I don't want the money I'm PAYING for cable to go to a crappy announcer.
I'll take all the coverage without commentators. Just driver comments and in-car audio with graphics showing the standings.
Thanks for the coverage Speedvision, just use the same guys you had in the Monte.
(EDIT)
I have to add this picture showing ralphie in his area of "expertise". He's on the far left.
[IMG]http://www.daveblaneyoutlawexp.com/images/McCall8.jpg[/IMG]
I don't want sanitized for America rally coverage.
I don't want the money I'm PAYING for cable to go to a crappy announcer.
I'll take all the coverage without commentators. Just driver comments and in-car audio with graphics showing the standings.
Thanks for the coverage Speedvision, just use the same guys you had in the Monte.
(EDIT)
I have to add this picture showing ralphie in his area of "expertise". He's on the far left.
[IMG]http://www.daveblaneyoutlawexp.com/images/McCall8.jpg[/IMG]
| ToJo | 02-05-2002 10:28 AM |
[QUOTE]awww... does that mean there's no more Impretzas? [/QUOTE]
I actually heard good ol' Ralphie boy say "Impretza" yesterday on the review show :lol:
I actually heard good ol' Ralphie boy say "Impretza" yesterday on the review show :lol:
| Idjiit | 02-05-2002 11:25 AM |
I'm not up on my Italian, but would the correct pronounciation of Impreza actually [b]be[/b] "Impret-zah", considering it's Italian root?
| skuttledude | 02-05-2002 11:33 AM |
whatever!
If you really don't like the commentator then tune him out...However, people wake up!!! We re getting a wonderful gift here. 5 hours of really coverage in 1 weekend! That's amazing!
For literally years I been waiting for proper coverage of WRC rally on US TV. For the last 2 years SPV has been given us delayed (month) coverage that was bearable but still worthwhile. Myself and others, lobbied like crazy to get SVP to show more current coverage, and BINGO they give us this incredible 5 hour package...and you want to complain about the commentators?!
Basically, some people don't know when they get something so good! Just think if SPV yanks their coverage becasue of soo much negaive feedback!
If you do want to complain to SPV, please voice your complaint respectfully, plus give good feedback of their wonderful rally coverage.
Truly,
Davis
For literally years I been waiting for proper coverage of WRC rally on US TV. For the last 2 years SPV has been given us delayed (month) coverage that was bearable but still worthwhile. Myself and others, lobbied like crazy to get SVP to show more current coverage, and BINGO they give us this incredible 5 hour package...and you want to complain about the commentators?!
Basically, some people don't know when they get something so good! Just think if SPV yanks their coverage becasue of soo much negaive feedback!
If you do want to complain to SPV, please voice your complaint respectfully, plus give good feedback of their wonderful rally coverage.
Truly,
Davis
| Jaxx | 02-05-2002 12:07 PM |
its not a matter of them yanking their coverage.. they already have a contract with whoever... its their spending extra money for a inexpiranced-misprouncing-sanatizing comentator to re-comentate 4.5 hrs per rally... its just stupid..
| stiguy555 | 02-09-2002 03:23 PM |
"Oh look, its a LANCER(:rolleyes: ) about to run over me! Look at the focus of the driver as he's targeting me! Does this guy ever BLINK?!" *CRUNCH* *SPLAT!*
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