| skuttledude | 06-16-2004 11:39 AM |
USGP Picks! Discuss here...
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Who is going to win?
1st corner mishaps? (Shuy and Juan?!)
Weather drama?
Ferrari 1 and 2?
Super Secret Team orders?
My picks:
M.Schumacher; --hero
R.Barrichello;- might fight hard for a win
J.Button;- close but no cigar
J.Montoya;- will show brillance but car will suffer
T.Sato;- fast fast, but not enuf experience
F.Alonso;- fast but long straight speed will suffer
J.Trulli;- jarno who?
R.Schumacher- contract time. will put in good times but then suffer.
Whattaya think?
1st corner mishaps? (Shuy and Juan?!)
Weather drama?
Ferrari 1 and 2?
Super Secret Team orders?
My picks:
M.Schumacher; --hero
R.Barrichello;- might fight hard for a win
J.Button;- close but no cigar
J.Montoya;- will show brillance but car will suffer
T.Sato;- fast fast, but not enuf experience
F.Alonso;- fast but long straight speed will suffer
J.Trulli;- jarno who?
R.Schumacher- contract time. will put in good times but then suffer.
Whattaya think?
| jibco | 06-16-2004 01:37 PM |
Mike
Button
JPM
Rubens
Takuma
Alonso
Ralph
Trulli
I'll be there tonight. Here's to a good weekend!:D
Button
JPM
Rubens
Takuma
Alonso
Ralph
Trulli
I'll be there tonight. Here's to a good weekend!:D
| stevesparts | 06-16-2004 02:04 PM |
M.S
R.B
T.S
JPM
J.B
R.S
J.T
Steve.;)
headed that way now!!!3.5 hrs away:disco:
R.B
T.S
JPM
J.B
R.S
J.T
Steve.;)
headed that way now!!!3.5 hrs away:disco:
| AndyRoo | 06-16-2004 05:54 PM |
have fun everyone.
1. MS
2. RB
3. Button
4. JPM
5. Ralf
6. Fisi
7. Sato
8. DaMatta
I'll be watching it on TV.
1. MS
2. RB
3. Button
4. JPM
5. Ralf
6. Fisi
7. Sato
8. DaMatta
I'll be watching it on TV.
| rupertberr | 06-16-2004 09:56 PM |
1. Alonso
2. Button
3. Rubens
4. Trulli
5. Sato
6. JPM
7. Fisichella
8. Baumgartner
Michael will have his first mechanical breakdown this century.;)
I'll be watching on video tape.
2. Button
3. Rubens
4. Trulli
5. Sato
6. JPM
7. Fisichella
8. Baumgartner
Michael will have his first mechanical breakdown this century.;)
I'll be watching on video tape.
| 2cam16 | 06-16-2004 11:11 PM |
MS
JB
RB
FA
RS
JT
JPM
TS
:D
JB
RB
FA
RS
JT
JPM
TS
:D
| bemani | 06-17-2004 01:55 AM |
1 - MS
2 - RB
3 - JB
4- FA
5 - JT
6 - RS
7- JPM
8 - DC
Sato blows another engine :D
2 - RB
3 - JB
4- FA
5 - JT
6 - RS
7- JPM
8 - DC
Sato blows another engine :D
| boundy3 | 06-17-2004 03:59 PM |
1. Michael
2. Jarno
3. Ruebens
4. Kimi (THE NEXT CHAMPION, after Michael of course)
:banana: :disco:
5. Juan Pablo
6. Ralf
7. Button
8. David
GO McLaren! (at least finish :rolleyes: )
2. Jarno
3. Ruebens
4. Kimi (THE NEXT CHAMPION, after Michael of course)
:banana: :disco:
5. Juan Pablo
6. Ralf
7. Button
8. David
GO McLaren! (at least finish :rolleyes: )
| AndyRoo | 06-18-2004 02:44 AM |
[QUOTE]8. Baumgartner
Michael will have his first mechanical breakdown this century. [/QUOTE]
thats a bit of a reach...got any inside information? ;)
Michael will have his first mechanical breakdown this century. [/QUOTE]
thats a bit of a reach...got any inside information? ;)
| OnTheGas | 06-18-2004 03:22 AM |
USGP Picks!
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[list=1][*][b]Michael[/b] - Last week, he was vulnerable... chose the wrong tire compound, so other cars were maybe better, yet he still wins![*][b]Rubens[/b] - This is where he should have finished in Montreal.[*][b]Jenson[/b] - Finally, the potential that Frank Williams saw in this kid has blossomed.[*][b]Jarno[/b] - Nice aero and chassis, means they can lay the wings down.[*][b]Juan[/b] - Ralf has been eating him up, but Juan likes Indy... he could have won it last year.[*][b]Fernando[/b][*][b]Ralf[/b] - His mojo is working well recently, but traditionally, he does well at Canada, but not at Indy... He's gonna falter.[*][b]Giancarlo[/b] - I dig Sauber's team, and Giancarlo is doing well at this team.[/list]
| grandpa rex | 06-18-2004 07:58 AM |
1. MS
2. RB
3. Button
4. JPM
5. Trulli
6. Sato
7. Alonso
8. Ralfie
2. RB
3. Button
4. JPM
5. Trulli
6. Sato
7. Alonso
8. Ralfie
| rupertberr | 06-18-2004 09:49 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by AndyRoo [/i]
[B]thats a bit of a reach...got any inside information? ;) [/B][/QUOTE]
I like to live life on the edge, or occasionally over it!:D
Come on, your guys picks are boring. Hmmm, I think I'll pick Michael Schumacher to win this week!:rolleyes: Do I get a prize if I'm right?
No one's perfect. It is about time Ferrari mechanics make a minor mistake. They will accidentally think it's Ruben's car;) and put the engine in upside down.:disco:
[B]thats a bit of a reach...got any inside information? ;) [/B][/QUOTE]
I like to live life on the edge, or occasionally over it!:D
Come on, your guys picks are boring. Hmmm, I think I'll pick Michael Schumacher to win this week!:rolleyes: Do I get a prize if I'm right?
No one's perfect. It is about time Ferrari mechanics make a minor mistake. They will accidentally think it's Ruben's car;) and put the engine in upside down.:disco:
| BillT | 06-18-2004 11:08 AM |
Here you go...
1. MS - I think he'll pull the triple threat this weekend - pole, fastest lap, and the win
2. JB - Fast, but not fast enough 25-30 seconds behind MS
3. RB - Nipping at JB's heels, but just not enough to pass
4. JT - Wants to make up for the DNF (almost a DNS) at Montreal
5. JPM - the Williams can't keep up the pace on the infield sections
6. KR - A rare finish for KR as the engine is finally detuned enough so it can last a race, but not be competitive for a podium place
7. FA - the Renault's will be the opposite of the Williams and excel in the infield but not on the big straight
8. GF - will benefit from Ralfie and Sato mistakes
1. MS - I think he'll pull the triple threat this weekend - pole, fastest lap, and the win
2. JB - Fast, but not fast enough 25-30 seconds behind MS
3. RB - Nipping at JB's heels, but just not enough to pass
4. JT - Wants to make up for the DNF (almost a DNS) at Montreal
5. JPM - the Williams can't keep up the pace on the infield sections
6. KR - A rare finish for KR as the engine is finally detuned enough so it can last a race, but not be competitive for a podium place
7. FA - the Renault's will be the opposite of the Williams and excel in the infield but not on the big straight
8. GF - will benefit from Ralfie and Sato mistakes
| BillT | 06-18-2004 12:55 PM |
1st practice session
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Not that it necessarily means much but the results so far in the frist practice session are:
RB 1:11.354
MS +.0265
Davidson +.339
JB +1.199
GF +1.221
OP +1.277
JPM +1.315
RS +1.614
FA +1.635
KR and MW have yet to set a time in qualifying.
From the past races it seems like Ferrari likes to run fast times in the first practice session to set up benchmark and then they spend the rest of the practice sessions concentrating on tire selection and setup and not worrying about setting fast practice times.
RB 1:11.354
MS +.0265
Davidson +.339
JB +1.199
GF +1.221
OP +1.277
JPM +1.315
RS +1.614
FA +1.635
KR and MW have yet to set a time in qualifying.
From the past races it seems like Ferrari likes to run fast times in the first practice session to set up benchmark and then they spend the rest of the practice sessions concentrating on tire selection and setup and not worrying about setting fast practice times.
| bemani | 06-19-2004 01:48 AM |
Dang, WTH? Where's the Friday night replay of the pratice on Speed?
| TV3WRX | 06-20-2004 12:42 AM |
Yay Ruebens.
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P1, nice. For a change.:p
| rupertberr | 06-20-2004 09:32 AM |
Re: Yay Ruebens.
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by TV3WRX [/i]
[B]P1, nice. For a change.:p [/B][/QUOTE]
;)
[B]P1, nice. For a change.:p [/B][/QUOTE]
;)
| mclmk8d | 06-20-2004 12:01 PM |
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Wake me up when it's over
Wake me up when it's over
| stumpz | 06-20-2004 01:23 PM |
Lap 9 and I'm watching right after Ralf went into the wall. Glad Ralf is ok.
and here was thinking this would be a boring race.
Suresh
and here was thinking this would be a boring race.
Suresh
| Patrick L | 06-20-2004 02:00 PM |
How in the hell is MS in the lead when he pitted during the safety car. FIA dropped the ball.
| 2cam16 | 06-20-2004 11:32 PM |
Sato FINALLY finished and placed in a race!
| rupertberr | 06-20-2004 11:50 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by rupertberr [/i]
[B]
8. Baumgartner
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hehe!
Letting JPM run for 50+ laps when he should have been DQed on lap 1 for a technicality was total BS.
Pretty good race. I have a feeling tickets in Japan just got harder to get. Well done Sato.
[B]
8. Baumgartner
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hehe!
Letting JPM run for 50+ laps when he should have been DQed on lap 1 for a technicality was total BS.
Pretty good race. I have a feeling tickets in Japan just got harder to get. Well done Sato.
| Patrick Olsen | 06-21-2004 05:02 AM |
Just got finished watching my videotape of the race from this morning.
How in the world did Ralf get left in the car unattended for so long??!! From the replay it seemed pretty clear he was unconcious initially - you could see his yellow helmet flopped over the left side of the cockpit, then roll to the right side as the car slid down the straight. The announcers said something like, "There would be serious, serious penalties if anyone went out on the race surface..." So the *#&! what!!! That delay in getting someone out there was just unsat, end of story. Why did the medical car have to go all the way around the circuit?? Why not just hug the pit wall and drive the wrong way down the front straight and get there in 1/3 the time?? Unbelievable!
Good to see another strong race from the BAR boys.
Pat Olsen
'97 Legacy 2.5GT sedan
How in the world did Ralf get left in the car unattended for so long??!! From the replay it seemed pretty clear he was unconcious initially - you could see his yellow helmet flopped over the left side of the cockpit, then roll to the right side as the car slid down the straight. The announcers said something like, "There would be serious, serious penalties if anyone went out on the race surface..." So the *#&! what!!! That delay in getting someone out there was just unsat, end of story. Why did the medical car have to go all the way around the circuit?? Why not just hug the pit wall and drive the wrong way down the front straight and get there in 1/3 the time?? Unbelievable!
Good to see another strong race from the BAR boys.
Pat Olsen
'97 Legacy 2.5GT sedan
| stevesparts | 06-21-2004 07:46 AM |
Yea!! well atlest i got the top 3 right... boy was the some carnige<:rolleyes: on the first turn and a scary deal with ralf:(
and of all things another jag go's up in smoke at indy again{gear box:confused: }and i'm glad that T. Sato got a strong 3rd place finish:D good to see someone other that ferrari running good
so congrats to BAR for a good race:disco:
Steve.
and of all things another jag go's up in smoke at indy again{gear box:confused: }and i'm glad that T. Sato got a strong 3rd place finish:D good to see someone other that ferrari running good
so congrats to BAR for a good race:disco:
Steve.
| Bonzo | 06-21-2004 09:28 AM |
dontcha just love walls? :furious:
I go every year but Indy is not worthy of F1.
The US needs a real road course to step up to the F1 challenge.
I predict the drivers are going to have some strong issues with alot of things that happened at Indy this year.
Ralf, track clean up/track safety and the safety med car are a few points that need addressing.
I go every year but Indy is not worthy of F1.
The US needs a real road course to step up to the F1 challenge.
I predict the drivers are going to have some strong issues with alot of things that happened at Indy this year.
Ralf, track clean up/track safety and the safety med car are a few points that need addressing.
| rupertberr | 06-21-2004 09:32 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Patrick Olsen [/i]
[B]Just got finished watching my videotape of the race from this morning.
How in the world did Ralf get left in the car unattended for so long??!! From the replay it seemed pretty clear he was unconcious initially - you could see his yellow helmet flopped over the left side of the cockpit, then roll to the right side as the car slid down the straight. The announcers said something like, "There would be serious, serious penalties if anyone went out on the race surface..." So the *#&! what!!! That delay in getting someone out there was just unsat, end of story. Why did the medical car have to go all the way around the circuit?? Why not just hug the pit wall and drive the wrong way down the front straight and get there in 1/3 the time?? Unbelievable!
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3 minute response time was unbelievable. What if he wasn't breathing? What if he was on fire?
[B]Just got finished watching my videotape of the race from this morning.
How in the world did Ralf get left in the car unattended for so long??!! From the replay it seemed pretty clear he was unconcious initially - you could see his yellow helmet flopped over the left side of the cockpit, then roll to the right side as the car slid down the straight. The announcers said something like, "There would be serious, serious penalties if anyone went out on the race surface..." So the *#&! what!!! That delay in getting someone out there was just unsat, end of story. Why did the medical car have to go all the way around the circuit?? Why not just hug the pit wall and drive the wrong way down the front straight and get there in 1/3 the time?? Unbelievable!
[/B][/QUOTE]
3 minute response time was unbelievable. What if he wasn't breathing? What if he was on fire?
| gtguy | 06-21-2004 12:02 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Bonzo [/i]
[B]dontcha just love walls? :furious:
I go every year but Indy is not worthy of F1.
The US needs a real road course to step up to the F1 challenge.
I predict the drivers are going to have some strong issues with alot of things that happened at Indy this year.
Ralf, track clean up/track safety and the safety med car are a few points that need addressing. [/B][/QUOTE]
The FIA obviously needs to look at what happened in the R. Schumacher situation. It was appalling how long he sat there, unattended. And then there was the bozo at start/finish who kept waving the wrong flag. At one point the race had gone green, and he was still waving the yellow flag! :eek:
Pat Olsen is right. Close the pits, run the medical car the wrong way up the pit lane and get the hell over there.
M. Schumacher is already on the record as being very critical of Whiting for not having red-flagged the race for a number of reasons: the carbon fiber shards had been flatting tires all day, so why make the drivers run through more of it, which could have led to even more high-speed shunts? Interestingly, the flats were all Michelins, unless I missed someone.
It's unfortunate that Elkhart Lake is too far from a real airport. The teams could fly into Milwaukee, but that's 50 miles away from the course. That course, brought up to FIA spec, would be awesome. I think they chose Indy for the instant credibility and racing tradition, but it is time for that track to be rehabbed to be more interesting.
Having said all that, I had a wonderful time, despite the fact that the Hoosiers all seem to drive about 5 mph under the limit.
Barrichello is a very popular driver, but he got snookered on the restart, and made matters worse with his clunky getaway after his pit stop. It cost him the race. Then he candy-assed the pass, instead of stuffing the car in there and making Schumacher yield to keep from crashing him. MS's chop was what he always does, and Barrichello should have expected that.
Great drive from Sato, and I love how he showed restraint after MS stuffed him on the start. His first podium was well-earned. And the start from Alonso was pretty amazing, too. He went from ninth to third, complete with an outside pass going into turn 1. Wow.
I thought the race was exciting, and there was plenty of action, unfortunately not all of it good. But this was the most fun I have had at a USGP since the first one. Those Mercedes pace and medical cars are awesome, and the E55 AMG wagon will be going on sale here for 2005, for you folks with plenty of money. Did anyone notice (who was there) how the AMG CLK was stringing out the Porsche Supercup field? It was really funny. I think they had to tell the pace car to slow down. Berndt Maylander was having flashbacks, I think. :lol: I just love that wagon.
I was also quite pleasantly surprised at how nice downtown Indy is. This was my first year staying downtown, and between the concours, concerts and general hullabaloo, I was impressed. But next year, we're staying at the Omni instead of the Days Inn, I'll tell you that much.
Oh...if you're on this board, and were driving a blue WRX wagon northbound on I-65, that guy in the Altima wasn't crazy. I honked the horn, you looked over, and I was wearing a SWRT t-shirt. I showed you the sleeve but you didn't seem to see it, and looked like "Why is this crazy man honking at me?" :lol: Nice wagon, sir. I gave a salute to someone else race morning, too, a blue wagon and sedan in tandem. I just love WRB wagons.
I had a rental Altima because I didn't want to put that many miles on a car that I'm about to sell.
Kevin
[B]dontcha just love walls? :furious:
I go every year but Indy is not worthy of F1.
The US needs a real road course to step up to the F1 challenge.
I predict the drivers are going to have some strong issues with alot of things that happened at Indy this year.
Ralf, track clean up/track safety and the safety med car are a few points that need addressing. [/B][/QUOTE]
The FIA obviously needs to look at what happened in the R. Schumacher situation. It was appalling how long he sat there, unattended. And then there was the bozo at start/finish who kept waving the wrong flag. At one point the race had gone green, and he was still waving the yellow flag! :eek:
Pat Olsen is right. Close the pits, run the medical car the wrong way up the pit lane and get the hell over there.
M. Schumacher is already on the record as being very critical of Whiting for not having red-flagged the race for a number of reasons: the carbon fiber shards had been flatting tires all day, so why make the drivers run through more of it, which could have led to even more high-speed shunts? Interestingly, the flats were all Michelins, unless I missed someone.
It's unfortunate that Elkhart Lake is too far from a real airport. The teams could fly into Milwaukee, but that's 50 miles away from the course. That course, brought up to FIA spec, would be awesome. I think they chose Indy for the instant credibility and racing tradition, but it is time for that track to be rehabbed to be more interesting.
Having said all that, I had a wonderful time, despite the fact that the Hoosiers all seem to drive about 5 mph under the limit.
Barrichello is a very popular driver, but he got snookered on the restart, and made matters worse with his clunky getaway after his pit stop. It cost him the race. Then he candy-assed the pass, instead of stuffing the car in there and making Schumacher yield to keep from crashing him. MS's chop was what he always does, and Barrichello should have expected that.
Great drive from Sato, and I love how he showed restraint after MS stuffed him on the start. His first podium was well-earned. And the start from Alonso was pretty amazing, too. He went from ninth to third, complete with an outside pass going into turn 1. Wow.
I thought the race was exciting, and there was plenty of action, unfortunately not all of it good. But this was the most fun I have had at a USGP since the first one. Those Mercedes pace and medical cars are awesome, and the E55 AMG wagon will be going on sale here for 2005, for you folks with plenty of money. Did anyone notice (who was there) how the AMG CLK was stringing out the Porsche Supercup field? It was really funny. I think they had to tell the pace car to slow down. Berndt Maylander was having flashbacks, I think. :lol: I just love that wagon.
I was also quite pleasantly surprised at how nice downtown Indy is. This was my first year staying downtown, and between the concours, concerts and general hullabaloo, I was impressed. But next year, we're staying at the Omni instead of the Days Inn, I'll tell you that much.
Oh...if you're on this board, and were driving a blue WRX wagon northbound on I-65, that guy in the Altima wasn't crazy. I honked the horn, you looked over, and I was wearing a SWRT t-shirt. I showed you the sleeve but you didn't seem to see it, and looked like "Why is this crazy man honking at me?" :lol: Nice wagon, sir. I gave a salute to someone else race morning, too, a blue wagon and sedan in tandem. I just love WRB wagons.
I had a rental Altima because I didn't want to put that many miles on a car that I'm about to sell.
Kevin
| jibco | 06-21-2004 01:26 PM |
Man, that was a great weekend. The weather turned out to be nice.
The car corral and the SPEED party were awesome touches to the event.
Can't wait till next year.
Congrats to Takuma!!
The car corral and the SPEED party were awesome touches to the event.
Can't wait till next year.
Congrats to Takuma!!
| Bonzo | 06-21-2004 01:30 PM |
Road America would be a fantasy but's it's far from being ready. Just pit garages and security would be too much for that group to hold an F1 race.
The only track I see capable and the owner possibly willing is the new Barber Motorsports Complex.
I also enjoyed the race and it was great to see some other colors being represented. The two Toyota drivers are driving pretty darn hard. Their brakes points on t8 were well beyond the rest of the field cept for maybe the red cars. I was also on t11 and watching the exits were very interesting. The two red cars went thru in 3rd while the rest of the field shifted back down to 2nd gear. It is very possible they were running a taller 2nd gear but MS and RB were also using every inch of the track at WOT on the exit wheras everyone else just came close/safe.
The only track I see capable and the owner possibly willing is the new Barber Motorsports Complex.
I also enjoyed the race and it was great to see some other colors being represented. The two Toyota drivers are driving pretty darn hard. Their brakes points on t8 were well beyond the rest of the field cept for maybe the red cars. I was also on t11 and watching the exits were very interesting. The two red cars went thru in 3rd while the rest of the field shifted back down to 2nd gear. It is very possible they were running a taller 2nd gear but MS and RB were also using every inch of the track at WOT on the exit wheras everyone else just came close/safe.
| WRSport | 06-21-2004 01:55 PM |
I still dont understand how Michael pitted and came back into first all under the yellow.
Did anyone notice in the speed coverage the point(about 10 laps left) where Sato takes his left had off the steering wheel for 12-14 seconds as he came onto the main straight. It was very bizarre.
I've never seen a driver do that and the announcers made no comment about it.
Did anyone notice in the speed coverage the point(about 10 laps left) where Sato takes his left had off the steering wheel for 12-14 seconds as he came onto the main straight. It was very bizarre.
I've never seen a driver do that and the announcers made no comment about it.
| ShockWave | 06-21-2004 04:01 PM |
As I recall, the reason Indy won't run a safety car up the wrong way of the track is that they used to and go someone killed when they stuffed their car into the safety vehicle. That started the rule that the safety car must circuit the track the same as the racers. I should also point out that we don't know if Ralf had radioed in while he was sitting there or not.
Just trying to defend the volunteer safety crews. They are very good at what they do, I've used them on a number of occasions.
And the idea of runing the USGP at a Road America, or better yet Road Atlanta (yeah right, they'd all die! but it would be so wild to watch) is great, but I think the USGP can only happen at Indy. It is the only track that has the promotional force behind it to make be a consistant home. Even the European tracks are under threat of moving, except Monaco and maybe Monza. Indy can handle the politics and has the deep, deep pockets and that is the most important factor in hosting the race. Sure, Daytona could do it but that would be even less interesting.
Just trying to defend the volunteer safety crews. They are very good at what they do, I've used them on a number of occasions.
And the idea of runing the USGP at a Road America, or better yet Road Atlanta (yeah right, they'd all die! but it would be so wild to watch) is great, but I think the USGP can only happen at Indy. It is the only track that has the promotional force behind it to make be a consistant home. Even the European tracks are under threat of moving, except Monaco and maybe Monza. Indy can handle the politics and has the deep, deep pockets and that is the most important factor in hosting the race. Sure, Daytona could do it but that would be even less interesting.
| gtguy | 06-21-2004 04:06 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ShockWave [/i]
[B]I think the USGP can only happen at Indy. It is the only track that has the promotional force behind it to make be a consistant home. Even the European tracks are under threat of moving, except Monaco and maybe Monza. Indy can handle the politics and has the deep, deep pockets and that is the most important factor in hosting the race. Sure, Daytona could do it but that would be even less interesting. [/B][/QUOTE]
You're right. Every improvement at Indy was accomplished without a cent of taxpayer dollars, which is very impressive.
Kevin
[B]I think the USGP can only happen at Indy. It is the only track that has the promotional force behind it to make be a consistant home. Even the European tracks are under threat of moving, except Monaco and maybe Monza. Indy can handle the politics and has the deep, deep pockets and that is the most important factor in hosting the race. Sure, Daytona could do it but that would be even less interesting. [/B][/QUOTE]
You're right. Every improvement at Indy was accomplished without a cent of taxpayer dollars, which is very impressive.
Kevin
| Leonardo | 06-21-2004 04:39 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by rupertberr [/i]
[B]hehe!
Letting JPM run for 50+ laps when he should have been DQed on lap 1 for a technicality was total BS.
Pretty good race. I have a feeling tickets in Japan just got harder to get. Well done Sato. [/B][/QUOTE]
Agreed!
[B]hehe!
Letting JPM run for 50+ laps when he should have been DQed on lap 1 for a technicality was total BS.
Pretty good race. I have a feeling tickets in Japan just got harder to get. Well done Sato. [/B][/QUOTE]
Agreed!
| scoobyRx | 06-21-2004 05:29 PM |
I have to say, way to go Minardi. That's their first point in how many years?
And finally the weather was great.
And finally the weather was great.
| scoobysport | 06-21-2004 07:03 PM |
Could have been ugly if Montoya crashed instead, being disqulified and all.
| Clegg | 06-21-2004 08:04 PM |
I second Road America. I recomend everyone fire up F1 Challenge or F1 2002 (video game by EA sports) and download a Road America track to it... its unreal how much fun that course is in a F1 car!
I was at the USGP (my first F1 race and first time at Indy), and was impressed with the cars, but I absolutely hate how F1 keeps everyone at an arms length, really lacked the ability to get a personal feel for the race. I am used to seeing CART or ALMS at Road America where you can walk up and shake a drivers hand, touch the car, see the crew. you get a better feel of the event, the venue, and the drivers. At Indy for the USGP I just felt like an meat stick with a wallet that they wanted the money out of. I left Indy thinking "hmm I thought the place was supposed to be magical, and the epicenter of racing." It felt much more fake, egotistical, and just overall empty compared to other racing/venues.
I heard a slogan on the loud speaker saying "F1 - FOR THE FANS!" Umm What? Wasnt that ALMS's slogan a couple years ago? and they actually delivered! Giving people access to everything, every team, every car. F1 is not for the fans... they should clarify with "F1 - FOR THE SPONSORS, AND TEAMS, and MONEY that the FAN'S spend!"
I will probably go back to another USGP, but not with the illusion that it will be anything more than just another race, indy in general didnt impress me much at all.
I was at the USGP (my first F1 race and first time at Indy), and was impressed with the cars, but I absolutely hate how F1 keeps everyone at an arms length, really lacked the ability to get a personal feel for the race. I am used to seeing CART or ALMS at Road America where you can walk up and shake a drivers hand, touch the car, see the crew. you get a better feel of the event, the venue, and the drivers. At Indy for the USGP I just felt like an meat stick with a wallet that they wanted the money out of. I left Indy thinking "hmm I thought the place was supposed to be magical, and the epicenter of racing." It felt much more fake, egotistical, and just overall empty compared to other racing/venues.
I heard a slogan on the loud speaker saying "F1 - FOR THE FANS!" Umm What? Wasnt that ALMS's slogan a couple years ago? and they actually delivered! Giving people access to everything, every team, every car. F1 is not for the fans... they should clarify with "F1 - FOR THE SPONSORS, AND TEAMS, and MONEY that the FAN'S spend!"
I will probably go back to another USGP, but not with the illusion that it will be anything more than just another race, indy in general didnt impress me much at all.
| AndyRoo | 06-21-2004 08:23 PM |
did anyone go to both Montreal and Indy? got any comparisons/recommendations?
not necessarily both this year...that would be pretty rough.
not necessarily both this year...that would be pretty rough.
| Clegg | 06-21-2004 08:35 PM |
Oh also
Camping at Indy was pretty good (I was tent camping with 3 other guys in Lot 2), some awesome people were out there. The Columbian squad who was behind our tent rocked :) Add'd some good flare to camping. Them and the Irish and German folk who stopped by our campsite were good peoples. That on its own will be a reasont to go back. Besides... Racing isnt Racing if you dont camp out like a true fan :) The hard core were out there that was for sure :D
Camping at Indy was pretty good (I was tent camping with 3 other guys in Lot 2), some awesome people were out there. The Columbian squad who was behind our tent rocked :) Add'd some good flare to camping. Them and the Irish and German folk who stopped by our campsite were good peoples. That on its own will be a reasont to go back. Besides... Racing isnt Racing if you dont camp out like a true fan :) The hard core were out there that was for sure :D
| Bonzo | 06-21-2004 08:45 PM |
yes RA in a sim is pure bliss. Indy is pretty tough tho. Low downforce means the driver talent is at a premium thru the infield.
Their is a pit walk thur on Thursday morning for weekend ticket holders. I will most likely be doing that next year.
As for F1 and money, I ahve yet to find anything cheaper. I paid $20 for both friday and saturday. Since I usually roam the infields I can scalp tix in the $30 range for Sunday. $50 wont get you one day at Road America.
We camped:D Just outside of town tho. Was very nice this year, no rain. Just a fire a coupla beers and fun.
Their is a pit walk thur on Thursday morning for weekend ticket holders. I will most likely be doing that next year.
As for F1 and money, I ahve yet to find anything cheaper. I paid $20 for both friday and saturday. Since I usually roam the infields I can scalp tix in the $30 range for Sunday. $50 wont get you one day at Road America.
We camped:D Just outside of town tho. Was very nice this year, no rain. Just a fire a coupla beers and fun.
| OnTheGas | 06-21-2004 09:09 PM |
Safety @ Indy GP
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ShockWave [/i]
[B]Just trying to defend the volunteer safety crews. They are very good at what they do...[/B][/QUOTE] BTW, thanks for the history on running the safety car backwards.
I don't think it is necesary to defend the safety crews, though. My understanding is that they are under FIA control for the F1 race. I noticed some folks mentioning this on a another bb. There were complaints that FIA, in general, are not that successful in running a F1 safe show.
Which seems surprising, F1 being a pinnacle of the sport, and all that.
I'm worried about Ralfie... that crash may be a career ender. Brain injuries are a mysterious thing, and this is (at least) injury #2 for him. Recall that last season while practicing for the Italian GP, he had a big off in the Lesmos @ Monza. It was a similar deal... knocked out briefly, concussed. But in that case, he showed a few days later for Friday practice at Monza, and had concussion issues (dizziness, I think), and Williams put Marc Gene in the car.
Some folks don't recuperate as well from multiple concussions... Some of NHL, and NFL fans know what I'm talking about.
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[B]Just trying to defend the volunteer safety crews. They are very good at what they do...[/B][/QUOTE] BTW, thanks for the history on running the safety car backwards.
I don't think it is necesary to defend the safety crews, though. My understanding is that they are under FIA control for the F1 race. I noticed some folks mentioning this on a another bb. There were complaints that FIA, in general, are not that successful in running a F1 safe show.
Which seems surprising, F1 being a pinnacle of the sport, and all that.
I'm worried about Ralfie... that crash may be a career ender. Brain injuries are a mysterious thing, and this is (at least) injury #2 for him. Recall that last season while practicing for the Italian GP, he had a big off in the Lesmos @ Monza. It was a similar deal... knocked out briefly, concussed. But in that case, he showed a few days later for Friday practice at Monza, and had concussion issues (dizziness, I think), and Williams put Marc Gene in the car.
Some folks don't recuperate as well from multiple concussions... Some of NHL, and NFL fans know what I'm talking about.
edit: typos, etc.
| Don Arm | 06-21-2004 09:25 PM |
Hey,
How do you get the download of RA for F1 2002 ?
Thanks,
Don
How do you get the download of RA for F1 2002 ?
Thanks,
Don
| Bonzo | 06-21-2004 10:35 PM |
I agree on the head injury thing. When they showed him trying to get out of the car he seemed way out of sorts. Almost like he had no idea where he was and no idea how to get the wheell off. Scary.
walls:rolleyes: :(
Don Arm goto bhmotorsports.com or racesimcentral.com and do a search. It should come up or give you some links.
walls:rolleyes: :(
Don Arm goto bhmotorsports.com or racesimcentral.com and do a search. It should come up or give you some links.
| AndyRoo | 06-22-2004 10:28 AM |
this certainly wont help Ralph get a drive for next year if the team is worried about his health.
| gtguy | 06-22-2004 12:00 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by AndyRoo [/i]
[B]this certainly wont help Ralph get a drive for next year if the team is worried about his health. [/B][/QUOTE]
Toyota (his next employer) is watching very closely, that's for sure.
No comparison, Montreal to Indy. Montreal is heaven, and if you do both, Indy is kind of a bummer. The people aren't as into it, the atmosphere isn't as electric, never mind the track being rather cheesy compared to C.G.V.
On the other hand, you can roam more at Indy. But Montreal...even the practice sessions are electric, and qualifying sells out. Indy however, being so huge, can have 120,000 people and not seem all that crowded.
This year at Indy was as good as it's been in a while. The S. American fans really know how to party, that's for sure. It was very cool to have the competing Colombian and Brazilian contingents, both chanting their soccer songs (which apparently carry over to F1), and really enlivening the stands wherever they were. Pretty awesome stuff.
But if I had to choose one race, Montreal or Indy, I would pick Montreal. It's easier to get around, the hotels are fabulous, it's just a much better environment. But, the revitalized downtown Indy made things quite a bit better this year.
Kevin
[B]this certainly wont help Ralph get a drive for next year if the team is worried about his health. [/B][/QUOTE]
Toyota (his next employer) is watching very closely, that's for sure.
No comparison, Montreal to Indy. Montreal is heaven, and if you do both, Indy is kind of a bummer. The people aren't as into it, the atmosphere isn't as electric, never mind the track being rather cheesy compared to C.G.V.
On the other hand, you can roam more at Indy. But Montreal...even the practice sessions are electric, and qualifying sells out. Indy however, being so huge, can have 120,000 people and not seem all that crowded.
This year at Indy was as good as it's been in a while. The S. American fans really know how to party, that's for sure. It was very cool to have the competing Colombian and Brazilian contingents, both chanting their soccer songs (which apparently carry over to F1), and really enlivening the stands wherever they were. Pretty awesome stuff.
But if I had to choose one race, Montreal or Indy, I would pick Montreal. It's easier to get around, the hotels are fabulous, it's just a much better environment. But, the revitalized downtown Indy made things quite a bit better this year.
Kevin
| Suba Fett | 06-22-2004 10:17 PM |
[QUOTE]It was very cool to have the competing Colombian and Brazilian contingents, both chanting their soccer songs (which apparently carry over to F1), and really enlivening the stands wherever they were. Pretty awesome stuff.[/QUOTE]
I felt like I was at a world cup also. This was my first F1 event and I loved it. I like the multicultural feel. When I went to the bathroom I thought I was at the United Nations listening to all the languages spoken at one time.
Not only did I get to see actual F1 cars along with the Porsche Cup cars but I think some of the hottest women I have ever seen. Not only the Brazilian and Columbian girls but the girls working the Ferrari and Williams souvenier trucks were gorgeous. (at least the one I went to).
Will go back again. Not only to watch the best drivers in the world (okay maybe a tie with WRC) but to leer my @ss off!
I felt like I was at a world cup also. This was my first F1 event and I loved it. I like the multicultural feel. When I went to the bathroom I thought I was at the United Nations listening to all the languages spoken at one time.
Not only did I get to see actual F1 cars along with the Porsche Cup cars but I think some of the hottest women I have ever seen. Not only the Brazilian and Columbian girls but the girls working the Ferrari and Williams souvenier trucks were gorgeous. (at least the one I went to).
Will go back again. Not only to watch the best drivers in the world (okay maybe a tie with WRC) but to leer my @ss off!
| 993orSTi | 06-23-2004 07:51 AM |
Indy is nice, but I'd go back to Montreal anytime
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>did anyone go to both Montreal and Indy? got any >comparisons/recommendations?
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>not necessarily both this year...that would be pretty rough.
I have been to both. IMHO, Montreal is much nicer. Indy was nice and definitely much more well organized from the perspective of getting people to/from the track, but the town itself was on the tame side if you ask me. Maybe I just didn't know where to go for the "night life." Montreal is a nice town with a great European flavor. I you need to know where the "night life" is, you can easily find it. The track itself is very nice and there are some places where you can get so close to the track that when the William-BMW or Ferrari cars past you revving 18,000+ RPMs your chest would literally shake!
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Both are nice, but I'd go back to Montreal anytime...
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>not necessarily both this year...that would be pretty rough.
I have been to both. IMHO, Montreal is much nicer. Indy was nice and definitely much more well organized from the perspective of getting people to/from the track, but the town itself was on the tame side if you ask me. Maybe I just didn't know where to go for the "night life." Montreal is a nice town with a great European flavor. I you need to know where the "night life" is, you can easily find it. The track itself is very nice and there are some places where you can get so close to the track that when the William-BMW or Ferrari cars past you revving 18,000+ RPMs your chest would literally shake!
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Both are nice, but I'd go back to Montreal anytime...
| 993orSTi | 06-23-2004 08:02 AM |
[QUOTE]I still dont understand how Michael pitted and came back into first all under the yellow.[/QUOTE]
They did make comment of it, and even asked MS in the driver interview after the race, but MS just side-stepped the question. Sato took the high road during the interview and asked the question himself and then simply said that they (I am guesing BAR) would look into it. Even Hobbs at the start of the race was wondering why MS didn't get a drive-through penalty for blocking Sato going into Turn 1. MS seems to get away with a lot IMHO. I like MS, he definitely got the skills and I like Ferrari, but I wouldn't mind seeing some others finishing P1.
They did make comment of it, and even asked MS in the driver interview after the race, but MS just side-stepped the question. Sato took the high road during the interview and asked the question himself and then simply said that they (I am guesing BAR) would look into it. Even Hobbs at the start of the race was wondering why MS didn't get a drive-through penalty for blocking Sato going into Turn 1. MS seems to get away with a lot IMHO. I like MS, he definitely got the skills and I like Ferrari, but I wouldn't mind seeing some others finishing P1.
| AndyRoo | 06-23-2004 10:45 AM |
Thanks for the info. I'll probably go to one or the other next year.
Pick 8 Standings:
92. 380 William Truett
168. 373 Ken March
463. 360 Alex Hofstetter
751. 352 Jim Rider
200. 340 Lord Bass
1315. 337 Wesley Slone
1417. 334 Davis Powers
1472. 332 Erich Schmitke
1500. 331 Matt Phelps
1820. 320 Steve Morris
2012. 312 Brian Hadfield
2134. 307 Gary Lancaster
2219. 303 Michael Fiyak
2348. 293 Dylan Friedman
2865. 234 Andrew Sekellick
3845. 63 David Chikwem
I'll have you know i missed a couple races!
- andrew
Pick 8 Standings:
92. 380 William Truett
168. 373 Ken March
463. 360 Alex Hofstetter
751. 352 Jim Rider
200. 340 Lord Bass
1315. 337 Wesley Slone
1417. 334 Davis Powers
1472. 332 Erich Schmitke
1500. 331 Matt Phelps
1820. 320 Steve Morris
2012. 312 Brian Hadfield
2134. 307 Gary Lancaster
2219. 303 Michael Fiyak
2348. 293 Dylan Friedman
2865. 234 Andrew Sekellick
3845. 63 David Chikwem
I'll have you know i missed a couple races!
- andrew
| gtguy | 06-23-2004 11:51 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by 993orSTi [/i]
[B]They did make comment of it, and even asked MS in the driver interview after the race, but MS just side-stepped the question. Sato took the high road during the interview and asked the question himself and then simply said that they (I am guesing BAR) would look into it. Even Hobbs at the start of the race was wondering why MS didn't get a drive-through penalty for blocking Sato going into Turn 1. MS seems to get away with a lot IMHO. I like MS, he definitely got the skills and I like Ferrari, but I wouldn't mind seeing some others finishing P1. [/B][/QUOTE]
It looked, from the race, like for whatever reason MS dove straight into the pits and with the lead he had, coupled with the extremely short stop he pulled off (as the car was already full), it was possible. He definitely didn't speed in the pit lane, because you could hear the rev limited going crazy. And Ferrari had the pit on the very end. It was voodoo, similar to when he got the drive-through penalty at the 2003 French GP and came out in third place. :lol:
The FIA allows two moves to protect a position, and Schumacher used them both. Other drivers have also used two moves to protect their position. It's accepted F1 practice/policy, and not just something that Schumacher does, and is allowed to get away with.
Kevin
[B]They did make comment of it, and even asked MS in the driver interview after the race, but MS just side-stepped the question. Sato took the high road during the interview and asked the question himself and then simply said that they (I am guesing BAR) would look into it. Even Hobbs at the start of the race was wondering why MS didn't get a drive-through penalty for blocking Sato going into Turn 1. MS seems to get away with a lot IMHO. I like MS, he definitely got the skills and I like Ferrari, but I wouldn't mind seeing some others finishing P1. [/B][/QUOTE]
It looked, from the race, like for whatever reason MS dove straight into the pits and with the lead he had, coupled with the extremely short stop he pulled off (as the car was already full), it was possible. He definitely didn't speed in the pit lane, because you could hear the rev limited going crazy. And Ferrari had the pit on the very end. It was voodoo, similar to when he got the drive-through penalty at the 2003 French GP and came out in third place. :lol:
The FIA allows two moves to protect a position, and Schumacher used them both. Other drivers have also used two moves to protect their position. It's accepted F1 practice/policy, and not just something that Schumacher does, and is allowed to get away with.
Kevin
| BriDrive | 06-23-2004 12:15 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy[/i]
The FIA allows two moves to protect a position, and Schumacher used them both. Other drivers have also used two moves to protect their position. It's accepted F1 practice/policy, and not just something that Schumacher does, and is allowed to get away with.
Kevin [/B][/QUOTE]
Agreed............also, Sato's "in car" was shown too, and if you examine his position behind Schumacher before the last MS line change, you'll notice Sato was not even close....he had already consigned himself to P3 entering turn 1.
The FIA allows two moves to protect a position, and Schumacher used them both. Other drivers have also used two moves to protect their position. It's accepted F1 practice/policy, and not just something that Schumacher does, and is allowed to get away with.
Kevin [/B][/QUOTE]
Agreed............also, Sato's "in car" was shown too, and if you examine his position behind Schumacher before the last MS line change, you'll notice Sato was not even close....he had already consigned himself to P3 entering turn 1.
| BillT | 06-23-2004 12:41 PM |
I agree as well...MS definately had 1 move at the very beginning of the race when he swung over to get behind RB at it certainly appeared from the camera angle of the cars coming down the straight that he did another move on Sato when he swung back the other way, but from Sato's in car footage, he wasn't threatening to pass MS at all when MS swung back in front of him to set up his line for the first turn.
All in the all, it was one of the more eventful races so far this season. I was really looking forward to several laps of Trulli/Sato battling it out for 3rd; it was unfortunate that it didn't turn out as great as it could have been. Whether you think Rubens lifted or not or that MS pass of RB on the straight was legal or not, you really have to admit that seeing the two Ferrari's drag racing down the straight at Indy was a pretty awesome sight!
Hopefully there won't be so much carnage in France.
BT
All in the all, it was one of the more eventful races so far this season. I was really looking forward to several laps of Trulli/Sato battling it out for 3rd; it was unfortunate that it didn't turn out as great as it could have been. Whether you think Rubens lifted or not or that MS pass of RB on the straight was legal or not, you really have to admit that seeing the two Ferrari's drag racing down the straight at Indy was a pretty awesome sight!
Hopefully there won't be so much carnage in France.
BT
| gtguy | 06-23-2004 02:58 PM |
I also have to again, applaud Sato's circumspection. He could have forced the issue with Schumacher, but didn't. He's also putting the smack down on Button time and again.
Qualifying is one thing, but in race trim, the Ferraris certainly have the mustard. I wonder what Michelin is doing about the fragility of their tires? Bridgestone runners ran through the same stuff, and didn't flat. And Alonso's crash could have been as terrible as R. Schumacher's, except he had the huge runoff area to skid into.
It's too bad, because he would have been looking good for third place, with that amazing ninth to third straightaway charge. I still don't believe he passed on the outside like that. Granted, Sato was balked a bit, but still...pretty awesome stuff.
Kevin
Qualifying is one thing, but in race trim, the Ferraris certainly have the mustard. I wonder what Michelin is doing about the fragility of their tires? Bridgestone runners ran through the same stuff, and didn't flat. And Alonso's crash could have been as terrible as R. Schumacher's, except he had the huge runoff area to skid into.
It's too bad, because he would have been looking good for third place, with that amazing ninth to third straightaway charge. I still don't believe he passed on the outside like that. Granted, Sato was balked a bit, but still...pretty awesome stuff.
Kevin
| BriDrive | 06-23-2004 03:46 PM |
I think the "michelin popped, the bridgestone didn't" debate might still just be a random chance thing. I dunno. I did recall Kimi came blasting out of the pit on his michelins and ran smack over a piece of (Alonso) debris and thought uhoh,look-out but no problems for him......................
Bottom line in that race....Arm Chair QB, HS 20/20....Red flag the course and clean it up.........
Bottom line in that race....Arm Chair QB, HS 20/20....Red flag the course and clean it up.........
| JVEC | 06-30-2004 11:23 AM |
Glad to see there's other F1 fans here besides me. Most people I'm around are (banjo pucking in background) Nascar fans.
This was the first race of the season I missed! Usually, for some strange reason, I always miss Monaco with my schedule being so crazy. This year, it was Indy!
I have to laugh because now, the McLaren Mercedes directly resemble their roadcars! :lol: What S#!T! Sub par build quality, generic engine technology and a chassis as dull as Ben Stein on Ritalin! Maybe they've decided to implement warranty time for the F1 engineers now? Kimi and David are good drivers! They deserve better. Maybe they can upgrade to a Minardi or something. Too bad J.D. Power doesn't rank their F1 car. It would probably place behind GM there too!
Loyal Tifosi
JVEC
This was the first race of the season I missed! Usually, for some strange reason, I always miss Monaco with my schedule being so crazy. This year, it was Indy!
I have to laugh because now, the McLaren Mercedes directly resemble their roadcars! :lol: What S#!T! Sub par build quality, generic engine technology and a chassis as dull as Ben Stein on Ritalin! Maybe they've decided to implement warranty time for the F1 engineers now? Kimi and David are good drivers! They deserve better. Maybe they can upgrade to a Minardi or something. Too bad J.D. Power doesn't rank their F1 car. It would probably place behind GM there too!
Loyal Tifosi
JVEC
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