| adam555 | 12-06-2002 05:42 PM |
Your opinions on Racing Seats
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Hi, I am looking into purchasing some racing style seats with some 4 point harnesses for my Sube. Whats your pick for seats?
My price range is about 600-800 for a pair. Wha would u recomend? Thanks for any help I can get! :)
My price range is about 600-800 for a pair. Wha would u recomend? Thanks for any help I can get! :)
| Subie Gal | 12-06-2002 05:56 PM |
sparco's...
revs... evo's... cushy and comfy...
but i dont recommend using racing harnesses on the street unless you have a FULL roll cage.
they wont hold up to the task in an accident...
:(
anyway... yep.. sparco's... i really like the ones in my rally car...
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revs... evo's... cushy and comfy...
but i dont recommend using racing harnesses on the street unless you have a FULL roll cage.
they wont hold up to the task in an accident...
:(
anyway... yep.. sparco's... i really like the ones in my rally car...
[img]http://www.subiegal.com/SGRacing/Interior/seats%20in.jpg[/img]
cheers
Jamie
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| trhoppe | 12-06-2002 07:46 PM |
Sparcos are nice. But for something that won't be raced I would recommend a seat that tilts back. They are more expensive though.
If you are insisting on harnesses for the street rather then the regular one, which I would recommend as well, scroth makes a set that has the same type of reel mechanism as the stock ones.
-Tom
If you are insisting on harnesses for the street rather then the regular one, which I would recommend as well, scroth makes a set that has the same type of reel mechanism as the stock ones.
-Tom
| adam555 | 12-06-2002 08:12 PM |
Thanks for the suggestions. Can you have the 4point harnesses with out a roll cage?(I mean, is it even possible even though you don't recommend it? How and where would they attach?) Also, what about some other brands of seats, like Cobra, Corbeau, etc? Thanks so much!
| dorifto88 | 12-07-2002 04:47 AM |
i am no specialst when it comes to seats but...
i consider Recaro, and Bride awesome (and $$$$)
Sparco's are good also, and are cheaper than recaros...
i consider Recaro, and Bride awesome (and $$$$)
Sparco's are good also, and are cheaper than recaros...
| Silverscooby27 | 12-07-2002 12:47 PM |
Depends on how big you are, but be aware that most true racing buckets are small and not made for the bigger folks. I had to take out mine b/c I wouldn't fit with winter clothes on. I also looked like a freaky gymnast trying to contort my body getting in and out of the car.
Even if you're racing autocross, the lowest class that they're legal in is street prepared, so be aware of that (another reason why I took mine out).
I have a Sparco Torino right now in the driver's seat. Cushy, reclinable, but with better support that stock. Also somewhat smaller than stock. Beautiful seat, though. Very comfy. My racing bucket is a Sparco Pro 2000. Also a beautiful seat.
Obviously, my favorite is Sparco, but both Cobra and Recaro make great seats as well. Both are a little more expensive in general. Bride, IMO, is not worth the extra money. The fabric/construction is not any better, and the seats are even smaller than the euro stuff. Unless you're going for the JDM type look, I'd steer clear. So, if you want daily drivability with a sportier look and feel, get the reclinable racing-type seat, not a race bucket.
Even if you're racing autocross, the lowest class that they're legal in is street prepared, so be aware of that (another reason why I took mine out).
I have a Sparco Torino right now in the driver's seat. Cushy, reclinable, but with better support that stock. Also somewhat smaller than stock. Beautiful seat, though. Very comfy. My racing bucket is a Sparco Pro 2000. Also a beautiful seat.
Obviously, my favorite is Sparco, but both Cobra and Recaro make great seats as well. Both are a little more expensive in general. Bride, IMO, is not worth the extra money. The fabric/construction is not any better, and the seats are even smaller than the euro stuff. Unless you're going for the JDM type look, I'd steer clear. So, if you want daily drivability with a sportier look and feel, get the reclinable racing-type seat, not a race bucket.
| Arnie | 12-07-2002 02:42 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Subie Gal [/i]
[B]
but i dont recommend using racing harnesses on the street unless you have a FULL roll cage.
they wont hold up to the task in an accident...
:(
[/QUOTE]
Jamie, could you elaborate on why a racing harness would not hold up in an accident? I mean, they are there for one's safety, not to just hold one in one's seat diring spirited maneuvers. And why does one have to have full roll cage to use 4 points? Or are you talking about correct mounting of belts neccessitating a full cage?
[B]
but i dont recommend using racing harnesses on the street unless you have a FULL roll cage.
they wont hold up to the task in an accident...
:(
[/QUOTE]
Jamie, could you elaborate on why a racing harness would not hold up in an accident? I mean, they are there for one's safety, not to just hold one in one's seat diring spirited maneuvers. And why does one have to have full roll cage to use 4 points? Or are you talking about correct mounting of belts neccessitating a full cage?
| adam555 | 12-07-2002 03:19 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Arnie [/i]
[B]
Jamie, could you elaborate on why a racing harness would not hold up in an accident? I mean, they are there for one's safety, not to just hold one in one's seat diring spirited maneuvers. And why does one have to have full roll cage to use 4 points? Or are you talking about correct mounting of belts neccessitating a full cage? [/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah, I would like to know too. I don't doubt you at all, I am just curious too. Thanks to all of the help and suugestions too!
[B]
Jamie, could you elaborate on why a racing harness would not hold up in an accident? I mean, they are there for one's safety, not to just hold one in one's seat diring spirited maneuvers. And why does one have to have full roll cage to use 4 points? Or are you talking about correct mounting of belts neccessitating a full cage? [/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah, I would like to know too. I don't doubt you at all, I am just curious too. Thanks to all of the help and suugestions too!
| Chunky_Chicken | 12-07-2002 05:03 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Arnie [/i]
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Jamie, could you elaborate on why a racing harness would not hold up in an accident? I mean, they are there for one's safety, not to just hold one in one's seat diring spirited maneuvers. And why does one have to have full roll cage to use 4 points? Or are you talking about correct mounting of belts neccessitating a full cage? [/B][/QUOTE]
4-pt harnesses restrict any kind of ducking motion. Belive it or not, a person in a roll over will instinctivly put his or her head and shoulders down to prevent injury. A 4-pt with a cage is safe because there is little risk of the roof colapsing. Without a cage, a 4-pt harness may get you killed in a roll over if the roof caves.
That said, for stuff like auto-X where roll overs are beyond rare, a 4-pt can help you stay put in a non-racing seat.
-Pete
[B]
Jamie, could you elaborate on why a racing harness would not hold up in an accident? I mean, they are there for one's safety, not to just hold one in one's seat diring spirited maneuvers. And why does one have to have full roll cage to use 4 points? Or are you talking about correct mounting of belts neccessitating a full cage? [/B][/QUOTE]
4-pt harnesses restrict any kind of ducking motion. Belive it or not, a person in a roll over will instinctivly put his or her head and shoulders down to prevent injury. A 4-pt with a cage is safe because there is little risk of the roof colapsing. Without a cage, a 4-pt harness may get you killed in a roll over if the roof caves.
That said, for stuff like auto-X where roll overs are beyond rare, a 4-pt can help you stay put in a non-racing seat.
-Pete
| SkypatCorbin | 12-07-2002 07:46 PM |
a roll cage is also no good for street driving, because you are susposed to use a helmet with them. if you get T-boned ( not very likely in racing situations) and your not wearing a helmet good chances are that the roll cage could colapse and crack your skull. not practical for streeet driving. i would say get some good seats and use the stock belt for every day and buy one 4 point for days at the track.
| turbod2.5wjuice | 12-07-2002 08:03 PM |
well, i have only owned my impreza for about 2 months so far... i used to own a corolla (i know, lol), but i did have racing seats in my corolla and i just put some racing seats in my impreza.... the seats i just put in are the tenzo r rally racing seats... 400 a pair and they are really nice.. i had obx racing seats in my corolla, those were ok but the tenzos are much better. i have sat and driven in just about all of em... the only real difference between seats is the drivers opinion... i have sat in sparcos that i completely hated and i have sat in plastics that were so comfortable that i almost purchased them... I would recommend you deciding on your opinion.. go to the nearest shop and just sit in the ones they have and decide from there. also if you have shorter than 6'1 or so, i would reccomend that you get seat rails made for the impreza... i have universal tracks, and they are so low i can BARELY see over the steering wheel (im 6'2). and about the harnesses.... if you have an impreza rs... you almost haveto have a 4 point, cause the female seat belt part is connected to the seat.... if you decide to go with harnesses, just drill all the way through the floor and use 2 - 3 inch bolts and mount it that way.. thats the way they do it in the race cars, so im sure we can do it in out cars..
sorry it was soooo long... hope it helps.
Jake
sorry it was soooo long... hope it helps.
Jake
| David Glasscock | 12-07-2002 08:35 PM |
GRP PRODRIVE RALLY SEATS
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anyone know anything about these seats. i saw them and was thinking about buying them?
| adam555 | 12-08-2002 10:41 AM |
Thanks for all of the input so far. Nobody has said anything about the Corbeau seats though... I personally think they look very nice(The CR-1, I think it is) and cool. Anyone heard of 'em or sat in 'em? Thanks
| LinuxGuy | 12-08-2002 11:28 AM |
Corbeau makes good seats... thease ones are sweet and they tilt back
[img]http://www.corbeau.com/brochure/images/TRS_grey_cloth.jpg[/img]
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| Chuck H | 12-08-2002 12:22 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SkypatCorbin [/i]
[B]a roll cage is also no good for street driving, because you are susposed to use a helmet with them. if you get T-boned ( not very likely in racing situations) and your not wearing a helmet good chances are that the roll cage could colapse and crack your skull. not practical for streeet driving. i would say get some good seats and use the stock belt for every day and buy one 4 point for days at the track. [/B][/QUOTE]
The advice is correct, but the reason is wrong. The chances of the roll cage collapsing are just about zero, but even if it doesn't collapse, your head can still get slammed into it pretty violently and crack your skull. And the 1/2 inch foam padding on most of them is fine for when you're wearing a helmet, but nowhere near thick enough to protect your skull without a helmet on.
[B]a roll cage is also no good for street driving, because you are susposed to use a helmet with them. if you get T-boned ( not very likely in racing situations) and your not wearing a helmet good chances are that the roll cage could colapse and crack your skull. not practical for streeet driving. i would say get some good seats and use the stock belt for every day and buy one 4 point for days at the track. [/B][/QUOTE]
The advice is correct, but the reason is wrong. The chances of the roll cage collapsing are just about zero, but even if it doesn't collapse, your head can still get slammed into it pretty violently and crack your skull. And the 1/2 inch foam padding on most of them is fine for when you're wearing a helmet, but nowhere near thick enough to protect your skull without a helmet on.
| adam555 | 12-08-2002 05:47 PM |
Thanks guys for the input. The Corbeau seat looks nice, I think.
| mtb_dude | 12-10-2002 12:38 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Arnie [/i]
[B]
Jamie, could you elaborate on why a racing harness would not hold up in an accident? I mean, they are there for one's safety, not to just hold one in one's seat diring spirited maneuvers. And why does one have to have full roll cage to use 4 points? Or are you talking about correct mounting of belts neccessitating a full cage? [/B][/QUOTE]
Where else are you going to attach the harness too? Think about it. I'm sure some people attach it to the seat back or something rediculous like that, but that will NOT help you in an accident, you'll just shear off the seat base. The only correct way to use a 4 or 5 point harness is to attach it to your roll cage.
[B]
Jamie, could you elaborate on why a racing harness would not hold up in an accident? I mean, they are there for one's safety, not to just hold one in one's seat diring spirited maneuvers. And why does one have to have full roll cage to use 4 points? Or are you talking about correct mounting of belts neccessitating a full cage? [/B][/QUOTE]
Where else are you going to attach the harness too? Think about it. I'm sure some people attach it to the seat back or something rediculous like that, but that will NOT help you in an accident, you'll just shear off the seat base. The only correct way to use a 4 or 5 point harness is to attach it to your roll cage.
| Stranger | 12-10-2002 01:48 PM |
I bought a pair of DAD seats (400$ a pair), which are due to arrive tomorrow. I will let you know what I think of them.
As for 4 point harnest
I was thinking of drilling through a floor for the bottom straps (gotta use big washers) and using the mounts for the rear seats for the top straps. (that is if I buy the 4 point harness).
As for 4 point harnest
I was thinking of drilling through a floor for the bottom straps (gotta use big washers) and using the mounts for the rear seats for the top straps. (that is if I buy the 4 point harness).
| M///Scooby | 12-10-2002 03:01 PM |
I have the Corbeau CR-1's in my BMW and they are GREAT!!! I love them so much, and they recline. they look good and are $400.00 a pair.
| jeffg | 12-10-2002 03:04 PM |
Make sure that the shoulder straps for your harness are not mounted below about 30 degrees from horizontal.
If is not required to mount a harness to a roll cage, but most of the convenient places to mount the shoulder straps are in bad places.
If you mount the shoulder straps too low and get in an accident, which can happen on an autocross track, the harness will pull down on you as you slide forward. This can result in spinal cord damage and possible leave you paralyzed.
Just a thought.
J
If is not required to mount a harness to a roll cage, but most of the convenient places to mount the shoulder straps are in bad places.
If you mount the shoulder straps too low and get in an accident, which can happen on an autocross track, the harness will pull down on you as you slide forward. This can result in spinal cord damage and possible leave you paralyzed.
Just a thought.
J
| Stranger | 12-10-2002 03:07 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by M///Scooby [/i]
[B]I have the Corbeau CR-1's in my BMW and they are GREAT!!! I love them so much, and they recline. they look good and are $400.00 a pair. [/B][/QUOTE]
400$ a pair? Where?
[B]I have the Corbeau CR-1's in my BMW and they are GREAT!!! I love them so much, and they recline. they look good and are $400.00 a pair. [/B][/QUOTE]
400$ a pair? Where?
| dgp | 12-10-2002 03:16 PM |
If you could find them for the right price, I love my STi Ver 7 seats. Vivid racing sells a bar that is for racing 4pt harness' that works well. It looks like a midget roll cage.
| stever | 12-10-2002 04:12 PM |
Don't bother drilling holes in the floor to mount the lap belt part of racing harness. There's a matching threaded hole on the trans tunnel opposite the outer one ... well at least there is on the GC8. If you pull up the carpet a bit you should be able to find it. I mounted mine there and believe it or not the Sparco bolts that came with the belts were the same thread. Almost too easy.
Also, although it's an inch or so closer to my head, I'd much rather smack my head into the padded roll bar than the plastic covered steel above the side window. And if you think your head won't hit that, you're wrong. Necks stretch a lot. Nelson Piquet's head left a dent in his steering wheel when he hit the wall at Indy and that's with 6 point belts.
-Steve
Also, although it's an inch or so closer to my head, I'd much rather smack my head into the padded roll bar than the plastic covered steel above the side window. And if you think your head won't hit that, you're wrong. Necks stretch a lot. Nelson Piquet's head left a dent in his steering wheel when he hit the wall at Indy and that's with 6 point belts.
-Steve
| adam555 | 12-10-2002 04:13 PM |
mtb_dude, good point. Seems like a roll cage is the best way.
Stranger, looking forward to a review on the DAD seats!
M///, Where the heck are the Corbeau seats for $400? Sounds like an awesome deal.
Jeff, another good. I definitly don't want any back problems
dgp, I am on my way to look at the midget roll cage.
steve, nice idea! I will definitly look for those screws when I get around to getting the seats. Thanks for the tip.
Thanks yet again to everyone,
Adam :)
Stranger, looking forward to a review on the DAD seats!
M///, Where the heck are the Corbeau seats for $400? Sounds like an awesome deal.
Jeff, another good. I definitly don't want any back problems
dgp, I am on my way to look at the midget roll cage.
steve, nice idea! I will definitly look for those screws when I get around to getting the seats. Thanks for the tip.
Thanks yet again to everyone,
Adam :)
| mtb_dude | 12-10-2002 04:30 PM |
Steve! You posted in a thread that had nothing to do with your Wide Body kit!! :lol: ;)
Steve has an AWESOME rollbar in his GC8, btw.
-Tom
Steve has an AWESOME rollbar in his GC8, btw.
-Tom
| aov | 12-10-2002 05:03 PM |
Not that I'm an expert on this, but after reading about it and doing a track-day, I believe the best solution is to get some nice seats and only use the 4pt harness' for the track. I don't think anything is safer than the stock seatsbelts and no cage! Except maybe buckets, padded rollcage, and a helmet :D
Just my $.2
-anders
p.s. Where did you say you got those seats for $400???
edit: Btw, plenty of info about this in the Motorsport forum
Just my $.2
-anders
p.s. Where did you say you got those seats for $400???
edit: Btw, plenty of info about this in the Motorsport forum
| Aspen | 12-10-2002 05:57 PM |
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I have the DAD seats and while they do offer additional side lateral support over the stock ones, they are no Sparcos since the Sparco Torino's have memory foam,microadjustments, and better fabric. But for $400, I can't complain since I just needed some replacement seats since my stock seats were very old and had some nasty tears in them.
And I do also agree with the above post about not a good idea to use 4/5 point harness on a street car with no cage.
My $.02
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I have the DAD seats and while they do offer additional side lateral support over the stock ones, they are no Sparcos since the Sparco Torino's have memory foam,microadjustments, and better fabric. But for $400, I can't complain since I just needed some replacement seats since my stock seats were very old and had some nasty tears in them.
And I do also agree with the above post about not a good idea to use 4/5 point harness on a street car with no cage.
My $.02
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| Arnie | 12-10-2002 06:10 PM |
In doing some research on mounting harnesses i came across instructions for properly mounting them to the rear tray in the sedan/coupe. I think it was the MRT WRX Training Book, but they were very specific about the proper angle/point/method(reinforced backing plate) in which the mounting bolts attached back there. And no, it wasn't to the baby seat mounts! they even recommended against mounting to the rear seatbelt bolt mount (many folks do this) as this compromised proper hold due to the offset angle. so I guess its an option when not using a roll cage.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by mtb_dude [/i]
[B]
Where else are you going to attach the harness too? Think about it. I'm sure some people attach it to the seat back or something rediculous like that, but that will NOT help you in an accident, you'll just shear off the seat base. The only correct way to use a 4 or 5 point harness is to attach it to your roll cage. [/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by mtb_dude [/i]
[B]
Where else are you going to attach the harness too? Think about it. I'm sure some people attach it to the seat back or something rediculous like that, but that will NOT help you in an accident, you'll just shear off the seat base. The only correct way to use a 4 or 5 point harness is to attach it to your roll cage. [/B][/QUOTE]
| mrbillydee | 12-10-2002 08:21 PM |
I don't know what the company is, but i have a buddy that has an ITR with 4-points. They are made to be mounted to the shoulder strap mount of the rear seatbelt. no fuss, no muss.
Another reason, however, for NOT using them on the street, insurance (medical and auto) may not pay for damages if stock seatbelts were not used.
My .02
Another reason, however, for NOT using them on the street, insurance (medical and auto) may not pay for damages if stock seatbelts were not used.
My .02
| adam555 | 12-10-2002 08:39 PM |
aov, I will look over in the motorsports forum. I didnt even think of posting/looking there. Thanks
Aspen, those DAD seats look mean, I like them alot.
Arnie, where can I get the article? Is it only in the WRX training book? Thanks
mrbilly, good point on the insurance aspect. I will check that out before I get the harnesses, if I do even that is.
Thanks yet again for all of the input!
Adam :)
Aspen, those DAD seats look mean, I like them alot.
Arnie, where can I get the article? Is it only in the WRX training book? Thanks
mrbilly, good point on the insurance aspect. I will check that out before I get the harnesses, if I do even that is.
Thanks yet again for all of the input!
Adam :)
| Ralph Wiggim | 12-10-2002 10:16 PM |
If any one is interested in any Corbeau seats, let me know because I can get some real good deals.
| Aspen | 12-11-2002 12:37 AM |
[QUOTE]I don't know what the company is, but i have a buddy that has an ITR with 4-points. They are made to be mounted to the shoulder strap mount of the rear seatbelt. [/QUOTE]
Schroth - This is a good alternative. This type also lets you lean forward unlike the others so that you can change your radio and get change for the tolls. Something to think about....:)
Schroth - This is a good alternative. This type also lets you lean forward unlike the others so that you can change your radio and get change for the tolls. Something to think about....:)
| adam555 | 12-11-2002 05:59 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Aspen [/i]
[B]
Schroth - This is a good alternative. This type also lets you lean forward unlike the others so that you can change your radio and get change for the tolls. Something to think about....:) [/B][/QUOTE]Where can I find these harnesses? I looked but I couldn't find a site for them. Thanks again guys
adam
[B]
Schroth - This is a good alternative. This type also lets you lean forward unlike the others so that you can change your radio and get change for the tolls. Something to think about....:) [/B][/QUOTE]Where can I find these harnesses? I looked but I couldn't find a site for them. Thanks again guys
adam
| mrbillydee | 12-11-2002 06:42 PM |
well, i'm not sure which ones he's talking about, but the ones my friend has do not allow this, his attach to the mounting bolt of the shoulder strap in the rear. don't know where to get the other ones? sorry.
| adam555 | 12-11-2002 07:53 PM |
Thanks anyways for the help. I will have to look into Scroth more I guess. The harnesses sound interesting though.
| SkypatCorbin | 12-11-2002 11:02 PM |
even though 4 points, roll cages and racing seats look cool, im sure that they are no were as safe a the factory equiptment. most of theis things were desighned for the track. just like factory seats and belts are not made for racing, racing equiptment is not made for the street. its best not to mess around when it comes to something that may save your life.
| CVC THIS | 12-11-2002 11:57 PM |
Hey Adam555
if you interested in the Corbeau, I have the same ones that someone posted in your thread. The are in new condition I had them in another one of my show cars, but since sold the car so they've just been sitting in the basement, so if you are interested I'll sell it to you for $450. OR anyone else who would be interested.!
if you interested in the Corbeau, I have the same ones that someone posted in your thread. The are in new condition I had them in another one of my show cars, but since sold the car so they've just been sitting in the basement, so if you are interested I'll sell it to you for $450. OR anyone else who would be interested.!
| stever | 12-12-2002 01:16 AM |
Check it out Tom, posting again in a non-wide body thread.
Personally, after driving in my car with a cage for a few thousand miles I felt totally unsafe in a car without one. The first thing I noticed once it was installed was the handling. Tons of understeer went away and the car felt tons more responsive to the steering. And I've got no doubt that the door bars will help a lot in a T-bone. I've seen the aftermath of a few T-bones and the seat on the side that was hit was less than a foot wide.
I still have stock seats in there now, but I'm going to get some Milanos once the bodywork is done. I've tried a bunch of seats and the Sparcos fit me the best. The race seats are nice, but my back doesn't like the angle of the backrest. I definitely recommend trying out as many as you can until you find one that fits.
-Steve
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Personally, after driving in my car with a cage for a few thousand miles I felt totally unsafe in a car without one. The first thing I noticed once it was installed was the handling. Tons of understeer went away and the car felt tons more responsive to the steering. And I've got no doubt that the door bars will help a lot in a T-bone. I've seen the aftermath of a few T-bones and the seat on the side that was hit was less than a foot wide.
I still have stock seats in there now, but I'm going to get some Milanos once the bodywork is done. I've tried a bunch of seats and the Sparcos fit me the best. The race seats are nice, but my back doesn't like the angle of the backrest. I definitely recommend trying out as many as you can until you find one that fits.
-Steve
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| RaceCarRiot | 12-12-2002 12:57 PM |
i had a pair of sparcos in my car for a couple months, and while they were wonderful for autocrossing/etc. and supremely comfortable once you were in the seat, they were a pain to live with.
there's no way to slide over the side bolsters and under the bottom of the steering wheel, so every time you get in the car, you've got to sit down, slide the seat back up where it needs to be (loads of fun working against the slope of a steep driveway with the wonderfully sticky sparco sliders), drop the wheel down so it isn't cutting into your forward vision since you're now sitting on the floor, mess with the 4 point harness, etc. EVERY single time you get in the car.
YOU CAN'T USE THE STOCK SEATBELTS SAFELY with a high bolstered one piece seat. there are ways to, but still, i wouldn't trust them in an accident.
your backseat will now be useless. not a problem for me, but may be for some.
unless you get the really nice high dollar sparcos or black ones, the fabric is CRAP, and always looks filthy. mine looked like they had been sat in by a sweaty ape for 5 years after a few days. even drips from water bottles left rings on the fabric. according to mike shields, all aftermarket seats except recaros suffer the same fate.
the seats are a PAIN to install. the brackets are made to fit in a RACE car, not a street car. the guy i sold mine to had an 02 WRX, and between all the insulation and carpeting on the floor, the sparco brackets would NOT line up with the holes. it took 3 hours of wrestling them around, drilling the holes out ever so slightly, etc. to install them. and he didn't want to run harnesses, so we had to jam the seatbelt receptacle in there as well.
it's IMPOSSIBLE to maintain a low profile on the street. every ricer, cop, etc. wants piece of the "action"...
i'm sure there's more i can't remember off the top of my head. i ended up installing a pair of WRX seats, and using a sabelt 4 point for track stuff.
there's no way to slide over the side bolsters and under the bottom of the steering wheel, so every time you get in the car, you've got to sit down, slide the seat back up where it needs to be (loads of fun working against the slope of a steep driveway with the wonderfully sticky sparco sliders), drop the wheel down so it isn't cutting into your forward vision since you're now sitting on the floor, mess with the 4 point harness, etc. EVERY single time you get in the car.
YOU CAN'T USE THE STOCK SEATBELTS SAFELY with a high bolstered one piece seat. there are ways to, but still, i wouldn't trust them in an accident.
your backseat will now be useless. not a problem for me, but may be for some.
unless you get the really nice high dollar sparcos or black ones, the fabric is CRAP, and always looks filthy. mine looked like they had been sat in by a sweaty ape for 5 years after a few days. even drips from water bottles left rings on the fabric. according to mike shields, all aftermarket seats except recaros suffer the same fate.
the seats are a PAIN to install. the brackets are made to fit in a RACE car, not a street car. the guy i sold mine to had an 02 WRX, and between all the insulation and carpeting on the floor, the sparco brackets would NOT line up with the holes. it took 3 hours of wrestling them around, drilling the holes out ever so slightly, etc. to install them. and he didn't want to run harnesses, so we had to jam the seatbelt receptacle in there as well.
it's IMPOSSIBLE to maintain a low profile on the street. every ricer, cop, etc. wants piece of the "action"...
i'm sure there's more i can't remember off the top of my head. i ended up installing a pair of WRX seats, and using a sabelt 4 point for track stuff.
| Aspen | 12-12-2002 01:35 PM |
[QUOTE]there's no way to slide over the side bolsters and under the bottom of the steering wheel, so every time you get in the car, you've got to sit down, slide the seat back up where it needs to be (loads of fun working against the slope of a steep driveway with the wonderfully sticky sparco sliders),[/QUOTE]
I had a Sparco Rev seat myself and definitely wouldn't recommend any fixed race seat for everyday use unless you like lifting your arse in the air while sliding it over the seat, at the same time trying to keep your balance and avoid hitting your legs on the steering wheel everytime you get in the car. Once you are in, you are in. Forget about try to grab something in the glove box, back seat, etc. And if you got any big or fat friends like myself, forget about it. They are walking home... But for the tracks, there's nothing that can hold you as firmly as fixed race seats. You truly feel as one with your car, almost as if you're body has been welded to the car itself(of course with proper seat sizing and body type).
And yes, I do agree that fixed race seats are made for race cars since most of them would seem to do better when bolted closer to the floor. Most aftermarket seat adapters for fixed race seats tend to elevate that seat and put the driver in an awkward driving position around the knee/hamstring area(at least for shorter folks). Also, most production cars have some sort of structure going across the floor board which also makes it harder to bolt seat down closer to the floor.
I had a Sparco Rev seat myself and definitely wouldn't recommend any fixed race seat for everyday use unless you like lifting your arse in the air while sliding it over the seat, at the same time trying to keep your balance and avoid hitting your legs on the steering wheel everytime you get in the car. Once you are in, you are in. Forget about try to grab something in the glove box, back seat, etc. And if you got any big or fat friends like myself, forget about it. They are walking home... But for the tracks, there's nothing that can hold you as firmly as fixed race seats. You truly feel as one with your car, almost as if you're body has been welded to the car itself(of course with proper seat sizing and body type).
And yes, I do agree that fixed race seats are made for race cars since most of them would seem to do better when bolted closer to the floor. Most aftermarket seat adapters for fixed race seats tend to elevate that seat and put the driver in an awkward driving position around the knee/hamstring area(at least for shorter folks). Also, most production cars have some sort of structure going across the floor board which also makes it harder to bolt seat down closer to the floor.
| S-WRX | 12-12-2002 07:22 PM |
Those dad seats look pretty cool, I was wondering where to get them
| M///Scooby | 12-12-2002 07:32 PM |
I have teh likn at home, I'll edit this post when I get it.
| adam555 | 12-12-2002 08:02 PM |
Hi, Thanks again to everyone who has replied.
CVC This, Sounds like a great deal but I dont think I will be buying anything right at the moment. Sorry.
Stever, RaceCarRiot and Aspen, thanks for the replies! They were all informative. I appriciate it.
Thanks
adam
CVC This, Sounds like a great deal but I dont think I will be buying anything right at the moment. Sorry.
Stever, RaceCarRiot and Aspen, thanks for the replies! They were all informative. I appriciate it.
Thanks
adam
| Stranger | 12-12-2002 09:30 PM |
DAD racing seats:
I just recived mine yesturday.
Good things: they are cheap. they are light. they do come with sliders, they are confortable (as far as i can tell from siting in it, reading a book, in the garage (haven't mounted them yet))
they are desinged for rather slim people (I'm 5'11'' 165lb)
black on black looks fine, and material seemes to be alrgith.
bad things: material is alright..... nothing special. install will be a hassle, bottom part seems to be a bit too thin for my taste, I can kinda feel the springs a tiny bit (or was it the change in my pocket). They are designed for slim people.
Will post more later.
I just recived mine yesturday.
Good things: they are cheap. they are light. they do come with sliders, they are confortable (as far as i can tell from siting in it, reading a book, in the garage (haven't mounted them yet))
they are desinged for rather slim people (I'm 5'11'' 165lb)
black on black looks fine, and material seemes to be alrgith.
bad things: material is alright..... nothing special. install will be a hassle, bottom part seems to be a bit too thin for my taste, I can kinda feel the springs a tiny bit (or was it the change in my pocket). They are designed for slim people.
Will post more later.
| M///Scooby | 12-12-2002 10:38 PM |
I got my race seats from this place [url]http://www.sportscar-parts.com/corbeau.html[/url] $399.00 for the CR-1's. plus you have to buy the brackets.
| S-WRX | 12-12-2002 10:46 PM |
M///Scooby - Will Corbeau CR-1 fits people who is in the 5'11" 195 pounds?
| trhoppe | 12-12-2002 10:52 PM |
My question is, are the CR-1s an actual upgrade over the stock WRX seats, or do they just look cool?
For on track driving will they hold you in better then a stock WRX seat with a harness? Wish there was someone in town or somewhere that would stock these so I could sit in them before I buy.
I went out and measured the bolster to bolster distance on the stock WRX seats. We have 20" from end to end of the bolsters. From inside seam to inside seam there is 17" and from the middle to the middle is 18.5". Now the question is, how are the CR-1s measured?
From this picture it looks like they measure in the middle of the bolster. If that is true, they should fit people like the WRX seats do. If corbeau does measure from the outside, the WRX seats are a little bigger.
[IMG]http://www.corbeau.com/brochure/images/CR1dim.gif[/IMG]
Also on their webpage, I found the TRS seats, which are 1" wider in the side bolster area, but 0.5" thinner in the shoulders. From the picture though, they do not look much more supportive then stock WRX seats. [IMG]http://www.corbeau.com/brochure/images/TRS_black_cloth.jpg[/IMG]
-Tom
For on track driving will they hold you in better then a stock WRX seat with a harness? Wish there was someone in town or somewhere that would stock these so I could sit in them before I buy.
I went out and measured the bolster to bolster distance on the stock WRX seats. We have 20" from end to end of the bolsters. From inside seam to inside seam there is 17" and from the middle to the middle is 18.5". Now the question is, how are the CR-1s measured?
From this picture it looks like they measure in the middle of the bolster. If that is true, they should fit people like the WRX seats do. If corbeau does measure from the outside, the WRX seats are a little bigger.
[IMG]http://www.corbeau.com/brochure/images/CR1dim.gif[/IMG]
Also on their webpage, I found the TRS seats, which are 1" wider in the side bolster area, but 0.5" thinner in the shoulders. From the picture though, they do not look much more supportive then stock WRX seats. [IMG]http://www.corbeau.com/brochure/images/TRS_black_cloth.jpg[/IMG]
-Tom
| M///Scooby | 12-13-2002 12:13 AM |
S-WRX, yes you will be fine, I love my seats, I'm 6'3 190 and fit good, a litle play tho, and no the seats are not like the WRZ seats, they hold you tighter, softer, and look better, Over all they are a GREAT seat, I love them! and you are glued! BTW here they are with a corbeau 3 point. [IMG]http://www.bmwplanet.com/download.php?id=28702[/IMG]
| trhoppe | 12-13-2002 08:49 AM |
[QUOTE]I'm 6'3 190 and fit good, a litle play tho,[/QUOTE] Hmm, so my 5'11 220lb fat ass should fit in them pretty well I guess.......
| jacobhorn | 12-13-2002 03:33 PM |
I am also wondering if my 6'2 220lb body will fit comfortably in the CR-1s... I've been looking for an affordable, comfortable seat for a while now without success.
JH
JH
| adam555 | 12-13-2002 03:34 PM |
Stranger, Thanks for the review. Very informative!
M///scooby, Thanks for the link and pic. What do you have your harnesses mounted to? I don't see a roll cage, so how did you do it? The floor? Thanks
trhoppe, thanks for the diagram and measurements! Very informative as well!
thanks again guys,
adam
M///scooby, Thanks for the link and pic. What do you have your harnesses mounted to? I don't see a roll cage, so how did you do it? The floor? Thanks
trhoppe, thanks for the diagram and measurements! Very informative as well!
thanks again guys,
adam
| M///Scooby | 12-13-2002 06:25 PM |
Well I think It might be a bit tight, but I can't picture 6'2 220, or a 5;11 220, like I said I'm 6'3 190 and have a little bit of play, and One thing, I think you guys are taking that $400.00 for a pair, its not, its $399.99 each seat plus brackets, sorry if I missed typed it.
| M///Scooby | 12-13-2002 06:27 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by adam555 [/i]
[B]Stranger, Thanks for the review. Very informative!
M///scooby, Thanks for the link and pic. What do you have your harnesses mounted to? I don't see a roll cage, so how did you do it? The floor? Thanks
trhoppe, thanks for the diagram and measurements! Very informative as well!
thanks again guys,
adam [/B][/QUOTE]
I bolted them where the stock seat belt bolt is and where the seat belt buckel is, there is one on each side of me and one the goes in back, I can't put in a cage cause then my head would hit the bar:lol: :lol: .
[B]Stranger, Thanks for the review. Very informative!
M///scooby, Thanks for the link and pic. What do you have your harnesses mounted to? I don't see a roll cage, so how did you do it? The floor? Thanks
trhoppe, thanks for the diagram and measurements! Very informative as well!
thanks again guys,
adam [/B][/QUOTE]
I bolted them where the stock seat belt bolt is and where the seat belt buckel is, there is one on each side of me and one the goes in back, I can't put in a cage cause then my head would hit the bar:lol: :lol: .
| Stranger | 12-13-2002 07:05 PM |
that's an interesting idea.
unfortunately for my project I have to do something else. as I said DAD seats are for slim people, they are a bit more narrow then the stock once. so I will be making my own base. I will post the pics as I go along.
I'm planing to use steel metal brackets (they are used in construction to hold pipes, conditioners, etc) and the plan is to make a tic/tac/toe kinda shape out of those(without sides sticking out), mount it in 4 original mounting points ( I will have to use an "L" shaped thing for one of the sides) and mount the sliders that came with the seats onto that.
unfortunately for my project I have to do something else. as I said DAD seats are for slim people, they are a bit more narrow then the stock once. so I will be making my own base. I will post the pics as I go along.
I'm planing to use steel metal brackets (they are used in construction to hold pipes, conditioners, etc) and the plan is to make a tic/tac/toe kinda shape out of those(without sides sticking out), mount it in 4 original mounting points ( I will have to use an "L" shaped thing for one of the sides) and mount the sliders that came with the seats onto that.
| adam555 | 12-14-2002 07:14 PM |
Hi, Thanks again guys for the help!
| Stranger | 12-19-2002 02:39 AM |
Finaly got both seats installed.
here is a link to the picture of the base that we made and the seats. (I can take some closeups if anyone wants)
[url]http://friends.stranger.com/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=car[/url]
here is a link to the picture of the base that we made and the seats. (I can take some closeups if anyone wants)
[url]http://friends.stranger.com/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=car[/url]
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