| OnTheGas | 05-21-2002 01:28 PM |
60e Grand Prix du Monaco
First, to divert your attention from the prime subject at hand, here is a picture of Suburu's Flat 12 Grand Prix car at [URL=http://www.forix.com/asp/pa.asp?z=0&k=0&l=0&r=9004031&c=0]Monaco in 1990...[/URL]
[url=http://www.forix.com/asp/photos.asp?z=0&k=0&l=0&x=101&f=1990/04031_GS.JPG][IMG]http://www.forix.com/iex/img/1990/04031_GS.JPG[/IMG][/url]
This beast didn't qualify, but that is fortuitous for all of us, as it led Subaru away from F1 and into rally, which caused them to build a great little sport sedan/wagon known as the Impreza!
Back to the subject of this thread which is who will score what points at the 2002 Grand Prix du Monaco.
Herewith, my best guess:[list=1][*]Michael Owns This Place[*]Rubens Does Not[*]Juan Will Fight Hard[*]Ralf will push Juan[*]Kimi will be rewarded w/points[*]David will be disappointed w/one point![/list=1]Some of you F1 fans have taken vows to never, ever watch another Grand Prix race (or at least until the next one is on the telly). If you still feel strongly, you should feel free to try to explain your irrational opinion here as well! (Some flame bait to see if people's opinions have evolved after some cooling off time!)
:D ;)
[url=http://www.forix.com/asp/photos.asp?z=0&k=0&l=0&x=101&f=1990/04031_GS.JPG][IMG]http://www.forix.com/iex/img/1990/04031_GS.JPG[/IMG][/url]
This beast didn't qualify, but that is fortuitous for all of us, as it led Subaru away from F1 and into rally, which caused them to build a great little sport sedan/wagon known as the Impreza!
Back to the subject of this thread which is who will score what points at the 2002 Grand Prix du Monaco.
Herewith, my best guess:[list=1][*]Michael Owns This Place[*]Rubens Does Not[*]Juan Will Fight Hard[*]Ralf will push Juan[*]Kimi will be rewarded w/points[*]David will be disappointed w/one point![/list=1]Some of you F1 fans have taken vows to never, ever watch another Grand Prix race (or at least until the next one is on the telly). If you still feel strongly, you should feel free to try to explain your irrational opinion here as well! (Some flame bait to see if people's opinions have evolved after some cooling off time!)
:D ;)
| Mike M | 05-21-2002 02:23 PM |
Alright, here's my go at the points...
1) M. Schumacher...untouchable
2) JP Montoya...last year taught him about the walls
3) R Schumacher...good, but just not good enough
4) K Raikkonen...Once again, outshines his teammate
5) J Button...Renault brings home a couple
6) N Heidfeld...with a clean drive to make up for last race
Neither Rubens or David will finish. Rubens has an incident, and David's car breaks.
Oh, and the most important news of the weekend? On Friday, Mika Hakkinen announces his intention to return to Fomula One, thus signalling the end of DC's career at McLaren.
1) M. Schumacher...untouchable
2) JP Montoya...last year taught him about the walls
3) R Schumacher...good, but just not good enough
4) K Raikkonen...Once again, outshines his teammate
5) J Button...Renault brings home a couple
6) N Heidfeld...with a clean drive to make up for last race
Neither Rubens or David will finish. Rubens has an incident, and David's car breaks.
Oh, and the most important news of the weekend? On Friday, Mika Hakkinen announces his intention to return to Fomula One, thus signalling the end of DC's career at McLaren.
| grandpa rex | 05-21-2002 03:49 PM |
Michael does not own Monaco, although he will win it this year:
This is the king of Monaco:
This is the king of Monaco:
| grandpa rex | 05-21-2002 03:51 PM |
trying to post picture.............
| johnfelstead | 05-21-2002 04:31 PM |
I wont be watching another F1 race live again is what i said. No doubt i'll watch the 30 minute highlights of the race.
This Saturday during qualifying i'll be in the middle of a Welsh Forest with the Escort Cossie rally car so will miss qualifying, the winner of the rally will be the best man (or woman) on the day.
This Sunday i will be racing in a 3 hours Kart race down in London, there will be more overtaking in one lap of that that in the entire F1 race and the winner will be the best man (or woman) on the day.
F1 can still kiss my ass.:monkey: :monkey: :monkey: :devil:
This Saturday during qualifying i'll be in the middle of a Welsh Forest with the Escort Cossie rally car so will miss qualifying, the winner of the rally will be the best man (or woman) on the day.
This Sunday i will be racing in a 3 hours Kart race down in London, there will be more overtaking in one lap of that that in the entire F1 race and the winner will be the best man (or woman) on the day.
F1 can still kiss my ass.:monkey: :monkey: :monkey: :devil:
| Frakk's2.5 | 05-21-2002 04:34 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by grandpa rex [/i]
[B]trying to post picture............. [/B][/QUOTE]
Senna? or Prost? that looks like an old Mclaren, right?
[B]trying to post picture............. [/B][/QUOTE]
Senna? or Prost? that looks like an old Mclaren, right?
| Mike M | 05-21-2002 04:35 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B]F1 can still kiss my ass.:monkey: :monkey: :monkey: :devil: [/B][/QUOTE]
C'mon, John, be honest....tell us how you really feel! :lol: :D
[B]F1 can still kiss my ass.:monkey: :monkey: :monkey: :devil: [/B][/QUOTE]
C'mon, John, be honest....tell us how you really feel! :lol: :D
| Mike M | 05-21-2002 04:36 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Rally_FJ75 [/i]
[B]
Senna? or Prost? that looks like an old Mclaren, right? [/B][/QUOTE]
Oh, shame on you! ;) That is the one and only Senna, the king of Monaco!
[B]
Senna? or Prost? that looks like an old Mclaren, right? [/B][/QUOTE]
Oh, shame on you! ;) That is the one and only Senna, the king of Monaco!
| OnTheGas | 05-21-2002 07:42 PM |
Jean Todt Replies To John Felstead
In an interview in the French daily [URL=http://www.lequipe.fr/]L'Equipe[/URL] , Jean Todt addresses fans, (such as our own johnfelstead), who have said they will boycott F1. Jean is unrepentant, and rightly so. Here are his thoughts:[QUOTE]"Some people claim they won't watch it (Formula One) any more. But I think the Monaco Grand Prix will have an exceptional audience this year," the sporting director told French daily L'Equipe in an interview on Monday.
"The public will want to know what Ferrari are going to do now, to find out what happens next in the story."
Todt said he was a little surprised, but not shocked, by the remarkable public outcry that followed the [Austrian Grand Prix].
"I think...it was disproportionate to the 'problem'," the Frenchman said. "But in some ways I should be pleased.
"At the end of the day, our current 'problem' is to explain our team strategy when our drivers are in a position to finish first and second," said Todt. "We could be in a far more difficult position. A lot of teams would doubtless love to have such concerns at the moment."
Todt again justified the decision on the grounds that Ferrari had a duty to maximise their chances of winning both titles and Schumacher, chasing his record-equalling fifth title, offered the best chance among the drivers.
The German is 27 points clear in the standings now after winning five out of six races so far this year.
"We switched the positions and it suddenly takes on planetary dimensions," said Todt. "In some ways, so much the better since it prevents people from thinking about wars, famine and sickness."
Todt said true sport, in his eyes, was an amateur soccer match between friends who rounded it off with a drink and some banter. And Formula One, like all professional sports, had nothing to do with that world.
"I know that the public love us," he concluded. "They have been let down, they are angry. But anger is a part of life. Do sailors stop loving the sea because of the storms?" [/QUOTE]We shall see... I have to agree with him, and I expect to see high interest toward the end of the season if BMW.Williams, or another team gains some speed, and concurrently Michelin steps up their game.
With time, the furor over the Austrian GP will become much ado about nothing, and rightly so.
:)
"The public will want to know what Ferrari are going to do now, to find out what happens next in the story."
Todt said he was a little surprised, but not shocked, by the remarkable public outcry that followed the [Austrian Grand Prix].
"I think...it was disproportionate to the 'problem'," the Frenchman said. "But in some ways I should be pleased.
"At the end of the day, our current 'problem' is to explain our team strategy when our drivers are in a position to finish first and second," said Todt. "We could be in a far more difficult position. A lot of teams would doubtless love to have such concerns at the moment."
Todt again justified the decision on the grounds that Ferrari had a duty to maximise their chances of winning both titles and Schumacher, chasing his record-equalling fifth title, offered the best chance among the drivers.
The German is 27 points clear in the standings now after winning five out of six races so far this year.
"We switched the positions and it suddenly takes on planetary dimensions," said Todt. "In some ways, so much the better since it prevents people from thinking about wars, famine and sickness."
Todt said true sport, in his eyes, was an amateur soccer match between friends who rounded it off with a drink and some banter. And Formula One, like all professional sports, had nothing to do with that world.
"I know that the public love us," he concluded. "They have been let down, they are angry. But anger is a part of life. Do sailors stop loving the sea because of the storms?" [/QUOTE]We shall see... I have to agree with him, and I expect to see high interest toward the end of the season if BMW.Williams, or another team gains some speed, and concurrently Michelin steps up their game.
With time, the furor over the Austrian GP will become much ado about nothing, and rightly so.
:)
| johnfelstead | 05-21-2002 08:10 PM |
Jean Todt can kiss my ass too. :monkey: :monkey: :monkey: :monkey: :monkey:
I wont be watching F1 live, as i'll get on with doing things i USED to put to one side for the 2 hours it was live.
We'll see how arogant he is after the FIA hearing, that is unless the FIA really are the Ferrari Imunity Association.
I wont be watching F1 live, as i'll get on with doing things i USED to put to one side for the 2 hours it was live.
We'll see how arogant he is after the FIA hearing, that is unless the FIA really are the Ferrari Imunity Association.
| OnTheGas | 05-21-2002 10:57 PM |
Jean @ FIA
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B]Jean Todt can kiss my ass too.
[/B][/QUOTE]Wow! Speaking of unrepentant!
Well, with eleven races left in the season, that is 22 weekend hours liberated for you! Good for you! What about next season?
:)
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B]We'll see how arogant he is after the FIA hearing, that is unless the FIA really are the Ferrari Imunity Association. [/B][/QUOTE]I would be surprised to see anything at all happen in the hearing besides pompous ceremony, since Ferrari did nothing illegal on the track... If you look at all the interviews that Ferrari have done since, they are all unapologetic, because they know they have been playing within the rules of the game, and so their interviews explain how their actions are stictly in the context of the strategies of the game. And I read somewhere that they technically didn't violate the podium regulations, neither... but I haven''t verified that to be true.
If F1 fans don't want to see that happen again, then they should do as John is doing and stop watching F1, because the current rule structure allows, and encourages that behavior.
That is the difference between the fans that are upset, and myself. Understanding well the rules and strategies, I thought Ferrari's race was rather brilliant, great cars innovatively designed, turned out well, fairly reliable, and well driven by both drivers... They had great strategy which was a dagger in the hearts of their competitors. (Patrick Head was livid! LOL!) Ferrari is not playing around, they are going straight for the WDC and WCC, and they will deserve them this season, if their luck doesn't turn bad, and they do win them.
To eliminate team orders from happening again, FIA would want to allow single car teams, and they would need each car to carry a unique primary sponsor which differs from every other car, including the team-mate's car, before they could eliminate team orders.
You have to follow the money, and if the sponsorship money is on each individual car, then no sponsor will be happy to see their car pull over to allow some other sponsor's car to win. Problem solved! Of course that will never happen...
:)
[B]Jean Todt can kiss my ass too.
[/B][/QUOTE]Wow! Speaking of unrepentant!
Well, with eleven races left in the season, that is 22 weekend hours liberated for you! Good for you! What about next season?
:)
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B]We'll see how arogant he is after the FIA hearing, that is unless the FIA really are the Ferrari Imunity Association. [/B][/QUOTE]I would be surprised to see anything at all happen in the hearing besides pompous ceremony, since Ferrari did nothing illegal on the track... If you look at all the interviews that Ferrari have done since, they are all unapologetic, because they know they have been playing within the rules of the game, and so their interviews explain how their actions are stictly in the context of the strategies of the game. And I read somewhere that they technically didn't violate the podium regulations, neither... but I haven''t verified that to be true.
If F1 fans don't want to see that happen again, then they should do as John is doing and stop watching F1, because the current rule structure allows, and encourages that behavior.
That is the difference between the fans that are upset, and myself. Understanding well the rules and strategies, I thought Ferrari's race was rather brilliant, great cars innovatively designed, turned out well, fairly reliable, and well driven by both drivers... They had great strategy which was a dagger in the hearts of their competitors. (Patrick Head was livid! LOL!) Ferrari is not playing around, they are going straight for the WDC and WCC, and they will deserve them this season, if their luck doesn't turn bad, and they do win them.
To eliminate team orders from happening again, FIA would want to allow single car teams, and they would need each car to carry a unique primary sponsor which differs from every other car, including the team-mate's car, before they could eliminate team orders.
You have to follow the money, and if the sponsorship money is on each individual car, then no sponsor will be happy to see their car pull over to allow some other sponsor's car to win. Problem solved! Of course that will never happen...
:)
| Fred Zaplitny | 05-21-2002 11:21 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mike M [/i]
[B]
Oh, shame on you! ;) That is the one and only Senna, the king of Monaco! [/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah, but he's dead. Deader than a doornail IIRC, so he won't be winning any Monaco races anymore.
1. JPM (go ahead and laugh)
2. MS (because Ruebens pulls over and lets him around)
3. Ruebens
4. JV
5. DC
6. GF
[B]
Oh, shame on you! ;) That is the one and only Senna, the king of Monaco! [/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah, but he's dead. Deader than a doornail IIRC, so he won't be winning any Monaco races anymore.
1. JPM (go ahead and laugh)
2. MS (because Ruebens pulls over and lets him around)
3. Ruebens
4. JV
5. DC
6. GF
| OnTheGas | 05-21-2002 11:51 PM |
Senna and Prost
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Rally_FJ75 [/i]
[B]
Senna? or Prost? that looks like an old Mclaren, right? [/B][/QUOTE]McLaren, yes! Here is how to distinguish between pics of Senna and Prost when they're strapped in:
[URL=http://www.forix.com/asp/pi.asp?z=0&k=0&l=0&r=8401019&c=0][IMG]http://www.forix.com/iex/img/cap/Senna+Ayrton_0_cy_.jpg[/IMG]
Senna[/URL]
[URL=http://www.forix.com/asp/pi.asp?z=0&k=0&l=0&c=0][IMG]http://www.forix.com/iex/img/cap/Prost+Alain_0_cy_.jpg[/IMG]
Prost[/URL]
[B]
Senna? or Prost? that looks like an old Mclaren, right? [/B][/QUOTE]McLaren, yes! Here is how to distinguish between pics of Senna and Prost when they're strapped in:
[URL=http://www.forix.com/asp/pi.asp?z=0&k=0&l=0&r=8401019&c=0][IMG]http://www.forix.com/iex/img/cap/Senna+Ayrton_0_cy_.jpg[/IMG]
Senna[/URL]
[URL=http://www.forix.com/asp/pi.asp?z=0&k=0&l=0&c=0][IMG]http://www.forix.com/iex/img/cap/Prost+Alain_0_cy_.jpg[/IMG]
Prost[/URL]
| ChrisW | 05-22-2002 02:11 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B]I wont be watching another F1 race live again is what i said. No doubt i'll watch the 30 minute highlights of the race.
This Saturday during qualifying i'll be in the middle of a Welsh Forest with the Escort Cossie rally car so will miss qualifying, the winner of the rally will be the best man (or woman) on the day.
This Sunday i will be racing in a 3 hours Kart race down in London, there will be more overtaking in one lap of that that in the entire F1 race and the winner will be the best man (or woman) on the day.
[/QUOTE]
That sounds like fun, a lot more than sitting in front of the TV getting fat...
:lol:
I am undecided about watching the race. Besides the Ferrari fiasco, the viewers in the US get to let ABC Sports butcher the coverage of the race which normally results in very poor coverage (of any race except nascrap)
[B]I wont be watching another F1 race live again is what i said. No doubt i'll watch the 30 minute highlights of the race.
This Saturday during qualifying i'll be in the middle of a Welsh Forest with the Escort Cossie rally car so will miss qualifying, the winner of the rally will be the best man (or woman) on the day.
This Sunday i will be racing in a 3 hours Kart race down in London, there will be more overtaking in one lap of that that in the entire F1 race and the winner will be the best man (or woman) on the day.
[/QUOTE]
That sounds like fun, a lot more than sitting in front of the TV getting fat...
:lol:
I am undecided about watching the race. Besides the Ferrari fiasco, the viewers in the US get to let ABC Sports butcher the coverage of the race which normally results in very poor coverage (of any race except nascrap)
| pio!pio! | 05-22-2002 05:05 AM |
MONACO GP
Jason Preistly: "UHHH heheh COOL!"
Announcer: " And Michael SHOEMAKER passes...uhh...that car"
Jason Preistly: "UHHH heheh COOL!"
Announcer: " And Michael SHOEMAKER passes...uhh...that car"
| Dr. WOT | 05-22-2002 08:36 AM |
I too am suffering from a reduced interest in F1 as a result of the last weeks orchestrations. I'm shelfing my plans to go to Montreal in June too.
Here's my guess:
1> RB
2> MS
3> RS
4> JT
5> NH
6> MSalo
[Homer] Thanks was sarcasim, if you didn't know. [/Homer]
Here's my guess:
1> RB
2> MS
3> RS
4> JT
5> NH
6> MSalo
[Homer] Thanks was sarcasim, if you didn't know. [/Homer]
| LordBass | 05-22-2002 02:41 PM |
Wow, I'm a little suprised by the anti-F1 sentiment going on in here.. What happened in Austria sucked to the max, but was legal.
I'm going to Montreal next month, and am quite excited! Will be my first F1 race. With the crappy seats I have I expect to only see loud blurs zip by, not team orders. :)
I'm looking much less forward, tho, to the upcoming ABC coverage. Yes, it's good to have F1 on afternoon TV for NASCRAP Nation, but ABC & tape delays both have suck.
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[url]www.trancelab.com[/url]
I'm going to Montreal next month, and am quite excited! Will be my first F1 race. With the crappy seats I have I expect to only see loud blurs zip by, not team orders. :)
I'm looking much less forward, tho, to the upcoming ABC coverage. Yes, it's good to have F1 on afternoon TV for NASCRAP Nation, but ABC & tape delays both have suck.
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[url]www.trancelab.com[/url]
| ForzaF1 | 05-22-2002 03:30 PM |
Rumor has it that ABC will have the main "BernieVision" channel for pictures and commentary... NOT the World Feed with clueless ABC announcers. I hope the rumor is true!
| Zahnster | 05-22-2002 04:02 PM |
One thing I've found interesting with the whole deal at the end of the last race. Rubens was slowing for the last 3-4 laps. Thats how Micheal caught up to him in the first place. Most people seem to think he just pulled over at the last few hundred meters.
I don't think I've seen any races this season live except maybe the first couple. Now I'm not even sure I want to read the race coverage on F1.com.
I don't think I've seen any races this season live except maybe the first couple. Now I'm not even sure I want to read the race coverage on F1.com.
| Frakk's2.5 | 05-22-2002 04:46 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by pio!pio! [/i]
[B]MONACO GP
Jason Preistly: "UHHH heheh COOL!"
Announcer: " And Michael SHOEMAKER passes...uhh...that car" [/B][/QUOTE]
The Revival Of the USGP I think it was the Sauber of the Nick Hiendfield...Priestley what a faquin Joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[B]MONACO GP
Jason Preistly: "UHHH heheh COOL!"
Announcer: " And Michael SHOEMAKER passes...uhh...that car" [/B][/QUOTE]
The Revival Of the USGP I think it was the Sauber of the Nick Hiendfield...Priestley what a faquin Joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| Frakk's2.5 | 05-22-2002 04:50 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ForzaF1 [/i]
[B]Rumor has it that ABC will have the main "BernieVision" channel for pictures and commentary... NOT the World Feed with clueless ABC announcers. I hope the rumor is true! [/B][/QUOTE]
Sweet I remember seeing it on Racer Magazine Monthly programming that it was going to be rebroadcasted after the Indy500 I think 3:30pm EST for us here in the West 12:30pm Hey any Southern Cal, Scooby owners here? Isn't Dromo-1 having a little Schindig???? is anyone going to that?
[B]Rumor has it that ABC will have the main "BernieVision" channel for pictures and commentary... NOT the World Feed with clueless ABC announcers. I hope the rumor is true! [/B][/QUOTE]
Sweet I remember seeing it on Racer Magazine Monthly programming that it was going to be rebroadcasted after the Indy500 I think 3:30pm EST for us here in the West 12:30pm Hey any Southern Cal, Scooby owners here? Isn't Dromo-1 having a little Schindig???? is anyone going to that?
| OnTheGas | 05-22-2002 09:08 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Rally_FJ75 [/i]
[B]Hey any Southern Cal, Scooby owners here? Isn't Dromo-1 having a little Schindig???? is anyone going to that? [/B][/QUOTE]I'm socal, but I'll be out of town this weekend. Contact them... [url]http://www.dromo1.com/[/url] Hot laps at dromo1 helps put the right perspective on a F1 race, for some reason...
:)
PS - I seen somewhere that ABC will be broadcasting bernie's feed with John Watson and someone else who's name slips my mind... Enjoy!
[B]Hey any Southern Cal, Scooby owners here? Isn't Dromo-1 having a little Schindig???? is anyone going to that? [/B][/QUOTE]I'm socal, but I'll be out of town this weekend. Contact them... [url]http://www.dromo1.com/[/url] Hot laps at dromo1 helps put the right perspective on a F1 race, for some reason...
:)
PS - I seen somewhere that ABC will be broadcasting bernie's feed with John Watson and someone else who's name slips my mind... Enjoy!
| SpinAll4 | 05-23-2002 12:09 AM |
Good thing we've got kick arse rally action to watch on TV. F1 is getting more and more lame. Its no fun to watch pampered whining girlie men have a processional anymore. Let's hear it for the REAL men(and women) of motorsport: Rally Racers. WRC drivers and co-drivers are actual functioning humans, not sheltered robots.
Anyway:
Ralfie
Mikey
Rube
Jenson
Kimi
Nick
...and just to make me feel better--> Dorky Corkie gets stuck near the back of the field again, and manages to stay there...again....:eek:
Anyway:
Ralfie
Mikey
Rube
Jenson
Kimi
Nick
...and just to make me feel better--> Dorky Corkie gets stuck near the back of the field again, and manages to stay there...again....:eek:
| gtguy | 05-23-2002 11:29 AM |
We will get the BernieFeed for ABC's Monaco coverage, which is excellent, excellent news, and much of the reason why I suggested that we wait, instead of presuming that we were going to get commentary from Jason Priestly, and those of his ilk.
I'd watch the Monaco race live if such things were possible. But with the tape delayed ABC coverage, 'tis not. I WILL be in front of the telly when it's on, though, because I love F1. Jean Todt is right. People need to get over it. I respect anyone's individual decision to support or not support F1, but Ferrari did the right thing for Ferrari, as any other team would do. If the FIA does anything to them at all, it will be in response to all of the whining/public carping, not because of the legality of anything that Ferrari did. The harshest penalty you might see is the FIA taking Ferrari's constructors points from Austria. But the way the season is going, they won't need them anyhow.
Meanwhile, did anyone watch practice this morning? McNish!!?? :eek: As DeBruhl said after a commercial break, "For those just tuning in, everything that you know is wrong!" :lol:
1) MS
2) RB
3) JPM
4) Jacques (hey, gotta get crazy once in a while)
5) Ralf
6) Button
Kevin
I'd watch the Monaco race live if such things were possible. But with the tape delayed ABC coverage, 'tis not. I WILL be in front of the telly when it's on, though, because I love F1. Jean Todt is right. People need to get over it. I respect anyone's individual decision to support or not support F1, but Ferrari did the right thing for Ferrari, as any other team would do. If the FIA does anything to them at all, it will be in response to all of the whining/public carping, not because of the legality of anything that Ferrari did. The harshest penalty you might see is the FIA taking Ferrari's constructors points from Austria. But the way the season is going, they won't need them anyhow.
Meanwhile, did anyone watch practice this morning? McNish!!?? :eek: As DeBruhl said after a commercial break, "For those just tuning in, everything that you know is wrong!" :lol:
1) MS
2) RB
3) JPM
4) Jacques (hey, gotta get crazy once in a while)
5) Ralf
6) Button
Kevin
| rupertberr | 05-23-2002 12:44 PM |
Trulli First, McNish Second! Thurdsay Practice.
Maybe I will tape it and watch the race.
M. Schumacher 11th. My voodoo doll is working! :devil:
Monaco results are always weird. The only finishers will be:
1. Trulli
2. Salo
3. Barichello
4. Coulthard
5. Webber
6. Irvine
The under card will be:
1. Lazier
2. CastroNeves
3. Hornish
4. Andretti
5. Unser Jr.
6. Luyendyk
M. Schumacher 11th. My voodoo doll is working! :devil:
Monaco results are always weird. The only finishers will be:
1. Trulli
2. Salo
3. Barichello
4. Coulthard
5. Webber
6. Irvine
The under card will be:
1. Lazier
2. CastroNeves
3. Hornish
4. Andretti
5. Unser Jr.
6. Luyendyk
| johnfelstead | 05-23-2002 04:06 PM |
Friday, and in this case Thursday (as friday is always a day off in Monaco) means jack $hit.
Lets wait till Qualifying is over to see whats what. (not that i will be watching is as i'll be doing proper motorsport. :D)
Lets wait till Qualifying is over to see whats what. (not that i will be watching is as i'll be doing proper motorsport. :D)
| pio!pio! | 05-23-2002 06:42 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B]Friday, and in this case Thursday (as friday is always a day off in Monaco) means jack $hit.
Lets wait till Qualifying is over to see whats what. (not that i will be watching is as i'll be doing proper motorsport. :D) [/B][/QUOTE]
John you crack me up! :lol:
"furious comment!" followed by
"not that I care anymore"
"wise opinion" followed by
"but i'm not gonna watch from now on"
"intelligent insight" followed by
"but i don't like F1 anymore"
[B]Friday, and in this case Thursday (as friday is always a day off in Monaco) means jack $hit.
Lets wait till Qualifying is over to see whats what. (not that i will be watching is as i'll be doing proper motorsport. :D) [/B][/QUOTE]
John you crack me up! :lol:
"furious comment!" followed by
"not that I care anymore"
"wise opinion" followed by
"but i'm not gonna watch from now on"
"intelligent insight" followed by
"but i don't like F1 anymore"
| sirfrankwilliams | 05-24-2002 02:04 AM |
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whats with all the sour-pusses?
| johnfelstead | 05-24-2002 05:37 PM |
:lol::D
| TampaWRX | 05-24-2002 06:12 PM |
[IMG]http://www.neilthompson.co.uk/jimbamber/CARTOONS/0227.jpg[/IMG]
From teh great Jim Bamber. I couldn't say or draw it better myself. In the end, it feels good to know I can do something else with my Sunday mornings. :D
From teh great Jim Bamber. I couldn't say or draw it better myself. In the end, it feels good to know I can do something else with my Sunday mornings. :D
| gtguy | 05-25-2002 10:52 AM |
Piffle. That cartoon is from a Brit-centric (Damon Hill and Jenson Button...in that group? Please...) whiner who has it all wrong. To make the cartoon more accurate, he should have replaced Schumacher with Todt or Montezemolo, but it still wouldn't have been accurate because trust me, Austria didn't kill F1. You could argue that F1 has been killing itself for the past few years, but Ferrari and Austria didn't do it. I suppose at some point, the hyperbolic excess will die down. :rolleyes:
At any rate, qualifying was fantastic, as usual. Montoya was SO fast, and the Michelins were kicking out the jams. Coulthard is in second, M. Schumacher in third. Barrichello was really fast through the first sectors, but just couldn't hold it together for a whole lap. The F2002 really seems to suit his driving style however, which is interesting. I think that his last lap would have been faster than Schumacher's, had he not run into a Jaguar at the end of it.
Tomorrow's race should be verrrry interesting. Montoya is fast, and Coulthard won't be as fast in race trim, so Michael will have to hope for a killer start from JPM, that he can piggyback onto, getting past Coulthard, then hope that all of that red in Montoya's mirrors will upset the Columbian enough to force a mistake.
The Michelins are really fast, in part because they have a new compound, but also because it's warm in Monaco (judging from the bikini shots provided by the world feed :D ).
I'm holding to my original predictions, though it is looking unlikely. Schumacher's press conference comments, that Ferrari has been off the pace all weekend, and that he told everyone their dominance wouldn't continue, were interesting. Whether they're ultimately true, or if the F2002 simply isn't well-suited for Monaco, remains to be seen.
Kevin
At any rate, qualifying was fantastic, as usual. Montoya was SO fast, and the Michelins were kicking out the jams. Coulthard is in second, M. Schumacher in third. Barrichello was really fast through the first sectors, but just couldn't hold it together for a whole lap. The F2002 really seems to suit his driving style however, which is interesting. I think that his last lap would have been faster than Schumacher's, had he not run into a Jaguar at the end of it.
Tomorrow's race should be verrrry interesting. Montoya is fast, and Coulthard won't be as fast in race trim, so Michael will have to hope for a killer start from JPM, that he can piggyback onto, getting past Coulthard, then hope that all of that red in Montoya's mirrors will upset the Columbian enough to force a mistake.
The Michelins are really fast, in part because they have a new compound, but also because it's warm in Monaco (judging from the bikini shots provided by the world feed :D ).
I'm holding to my original predictions, though it is looking unlikely. Schumacher's press conference comments, that Ferrari has been off the pace all weekend, and that he told everyone their dominance wouldn't continue, were interesting. Whether they're ultimately true, or if the F2002 simply isn't well-suited for Monaco, remains to be seen.
Kevin
| TampaWRX | 05-25-2002 03:16 PM |
There's no doubt Jim Bamber is focused on Brits, probably to a fault (Jenson Button in no way belongs in that group...Hill is another item altogether). However, I think he echoes the sentiments of a lot of enthusiasts who are not willing to accept what's currently presented as the pinnacle of motorsports at face value. To be honest, I haven't really thought of F1 as the epitome of motor racing in a long time. It is THE place to be if you want to talk technology, but lots of technology does not equate to good racing. Passing in the pits...racing as a chess match...the drama of team orders...yawn.
Add up the automatic transimissions, traction control, politics and utterly unsporting atmosphere and it's just too much for some. Jacques Villeneuve complained in a press conference that the current brand of racing does not require enough effort. It's true and it's sad. Hell, I was pissed to see CART go to sequential/semi-auto boxes a few years ago. Racecars should be clutch shifted through patterned shift gates. It's SUPPOSED to be difficult to go fast, that's the point isn't it? I digress...as usual. ;)
Ultimately Le Mans is only a few weeks away, CART's next race weekend isn't far off and the next rally isn't too distant in the future, so for me there's no real motivation to watch the stars of today while dreaming of the icons of long ago. The correlation isn't there and my proverbial bubble has been burst.
I think that's what has caused much of the "hyperbolic excess" you refer to. The illusion is once and for all truly dead for some people, me being one of them. If it was indeed an illusion, lifting the proverbial veil is a good thing. Ferrari made it clear that this is no longer about sporting men and their daring exploits in the most dangerous sport on Earth. It's a technological parade put on for the amusement of everyone except the fans, who ultimately pay the bills. Formula One is quite the paradoxical dynamic when you consider it on a basic level.
As someone who hasn't missed a Grand Prix practice telecast since Speedvision began showing them, and who once checked Autosport religiously, I can say that it was nice to sleep in this morning. :)
David Coulthard had some interesting comments regarding the current state of F1 and its fanbase through his eyes, but you'll have to read them for yourself at Autosport. I've got to get back to waxing the car. :D
Add up the automatic transimissions, traction control, politics and utterly unsporting atmosphere and it's just too much for some. Jacques Villeneuve complained in a press conference that the current brand of racing does not require enough effort. It's true and it's sad. Hell, I was pissed to see CART go to sequential/semi-auto boxes a few years ago. Racecars should be clutch shifted through patterned shift gates. It's SUPPOSED to be difficult to go fast, that's the point isn't it? I digress...as usual. ;)
Ultimately Le Mans is only a few weeks away, CART's next race weekend isn't far off and the next rally isn't too distant in the future, so for me there's no real motivation to watch the stars of today while dreaming of the icons of long ago. The correlation isn't there and my proverbial bubble has been burst.
I think that's what has caused much of the "hyperbolic excess" you refer to. The illusion is once and for all truly dead for some people, me being one of them. If it was indeed an illusion, lifting the proverbial veil is a good thing. Ferrari made it clear that this is no longer about sporting men and their daring exploits in the most dangerous sport on Earth. It's a technological parade put on for the amusement of everyone except the fans, who ultimately pay the bills. Formula One is quite the paradoxical dynamic when you consider it on a basic level.
As someone who hasn't missed a Grand Prix practice telecast since Speedvision began showing them, and who once checked Autosport religiously, I can say that it was nice to sleep in this morning. :)
David Coulthard had some interesting comments regarding the current state of F1 and its fanbase through his eyes, but you'll have to read them for yourself at Autosport. I've got to get back to waxing the car. :D
| 63Alpine | 05-26-2002 08:41 AM |
I am keeping up with the race on [url]www.f1-live.com[/url] and it appears to be a great one. Through lap 28 and the top four are within 3 seconds of each other. Too bad I won't be able to watch ABC this afternoon.
| pio!pio! | 05-26-2002 12:15 PM |
I wonder who the Bernievision commentators are?
| richeich | 05-26-2002 04:29 PM |
Yeah, whatcha think of them? I kinda like it. It's better than anything ABC could've come up with.
Rich
Rich
| richeich | 05-26-2002 04:42 PM |
Damn... local news keeps breaking in with special reports on the collapsed bridge.
| RollingRex | 05-26-2002 06:31 PM |
Go Coulthard!!!
Finally Mclaren got the first win...:)
Finally Mclaren got the first win...:)
| JoegoWRX | 05-26-2002 07:02 PM |
So ChrisW sez...
"I am undecided about watching the race. Besides the Ferrari fiasco, the viewers in the US get to let ABC Sports butcher the coverage of the race which normally results in very poor coverage (of any race except nascrap)"
Butcher is an understatement. They couldn't stay with the same car for one lap. They kept switching from the leader to someone else to some crew member watching tv. The only good shots were the in-car cameras.
And next Sunday ABC gets to ruin another F1 race.
Go SPEED channel!
"I am undecided about watching the race. Besides the Ferrari fiasco, the viewers in the US get to let ABC Sports butcher the coverage of the race which normally results in very poor coverage (of any race except nascrap)"
Butcher is an understatement. They couldn't stay with the same car for one lap. They kept switching from the leader to someone else to some crew member watching tv. The only good shots were the in-car cameras.
And next Sunday ABC gets to ruin another F1 race.
Go SPEED channel!
| gtguy | 05-26-2002 10:04 PM |
The race coverage was excellent...well visually, anyhow. The commentators left me wishing for the DeBruhl/Matchett/Hobbs team. But that is the same feed that you get in the press box, and it's aimed more at keeping up with the racing, as opposed to fan eye candy, as is the world feed. So when something happens, they will cut away to it, as opposed to simply watching another lap of Schumacher driving around behind Coulthard.
No matter what ABC did, people would complain about it. They could have truly butchered the feed, inserted their own announcers, and totally bollixed everything up. The fact is, they did a very fine job, showed the entire race, and didn't use Derek Daly (woo hoo!). The only flaw I could see was Danny Sullivan...who CARES what that prat thinks? :lol:
Now, on to the race:
Coulthard...what a drive! That start was insane. I think that Montoya might have been too busy thinking about shutting the door on Michael, than getting away like he should have been able to. But he did his job, in slowing Michael up enough that Coulthard could get a lead, on a track where it was (almost) impossible to pass. Montoya didn't deliberately slow Michael up obviously, but the McLaren really seemed to be suited for Monaco.
DC didn't put a wheel wrong, and that pit stop was beautiful...6.9 seconds vs. Ferrari's 8.4, as the stop came late enough in the race where he didn't need as much fuel. Between that and traffic that Schumacher was caught in for a couple of laps (he was running 1.4 secs faster than DC when McLaren brought him in), it was just enough.
Schumacher made the right and only decision, which was to stay behind and wait for a mistake. It didn't happen, second place is a fine result, and he moves a step closer to what could be the earliest mathematical clinch of a Driver's championship in recent memory. I think he would have tried to pass Montoya, had things remained as they were at the beginning of the race, which would have been verrry interesting.
Barrichello showed why he's number two with a terrible start, the incident with Kimi and pit lane speeding. I know, I know "Austria ruined his confidence, so he's a different driver now." Please. :rolleyes:
There was some very fine racing down in the field, and some horrific crashes. Poor Sato!
Finally, what's up with the Schumacher hatred? Man, the guy drove an excellent race, and finished second to a driver who was better enough on that day. Oh...wait...that's right. Excellence sucks, I forgot. :lol:
The real ABC race to worry about will be Canada, which they will show live. That's when they could really bollix things up, though I hope that they won't, and I'll be there to see it.
Kevin
p.s. it was pretty awesome to watch the Lakers win, then go right to the F1 race, on the ol' ReplayTV box. :D
No matter what ABC did, people would complain about it. They could have truly butchered the feed, inserted their own announcers, and totally bollixed everything up. The fact is, they did a very fine job, showed the entire race, and didn't use Derek Daly (woo hoo!). The only flaw I could see was Danny Sullivan...who CARES what that prat thinks? :lol:
Now, on to the race:
Coulthard...what a drive! That start was insane. I think that Montoya might have been too busy thinking about shutting the door on Michael, than getting away like he should have been able to. But he did his job, in slowing Michael up enough that Coulthard could get a lead, on a track where it was (almost) impossible to pass. Montoya didn't deliberately slow Michael up obviously, but the McLaren really seemed to be suited for Monaco.
DC didn't put a wheel wrong, and that pit stop was beautiful...6.9 seconds vs. Ferrari's 8.4, as the stop came late enough in the race where he didn't need as much fuel. Between that and traffic that Schumacher was caught in for a couple of laps (he was running 1.4 secs faster than DC when McLaren brought him in), it was just enough.
Schumacher made the right and only decision, which was to stay behind and wait for a mistake. It didn't happen, second place is a fine result, and he moves a step closer to what could be the earliest mathematical clinch of a Driver's championship in recent memory. I think he would have tried to pass Montoya, had things remained as they were at the beginning of the race, which would have been verrry interesting.
Barrichello showed why he's number two with a terrible start, the incident with Kimi and pit lane speeding. I know, I know "Austria ruined his confidence, so he's a different driver now." Please. :rolleyes:
There was some very fine racing down in the field, and some horrific crashes. Poor Sato!
Finally, what's up with the Schumacher hatred? Man, the guy drove an excellent race, and finished second to a driver who was better enough on that day. Oh...wait...that's right. Excellence sucks, I forgot. :lol:
The real ABC race to worry about will be Canada, which they will show live. That's when they could really bollix things up, though I hope that they won't, and I'll be there to see it.
Kevin
p.s. it was pretty awesome to watch the Lakers win, then go right to the F1 race, on the ol' ReplayTV box. :D
| pio!pio! | 05-26-2002 10:29 PM |
I have to say that I thought the image quality of the Bernievision race to be EXCELLENT
However, I was left wishing for the Speed Channel announcers. Even ol' Rick Debruhl, I guess I like what's familiar.
However, I was left wishing for the Speed Channel announcers. Even ol' Rick Debruhl, I guess I like what's familiar.
| DuckWRX | 05-27-2002 03:30 AM |
I loved the announcers on the feed on Sunday. Much better than the Speed channel guy. I did find myself missing Matchett a little bit though.
| pio!pio! | 05-27-2002 03:36 AM |
I didn't realy like the commentators in this race cuz they didn't really commentate..they just announced..
Or maybe I didn't like their announcer style voices. I really like what Hobbs contributes to the commentating team at Speed Channel
Or maybe I didn't like their announcer style voices. I really like what Hobbs contributes to the commentating team at Speed Channel
| grandpa rex | 05-27-2002 07:57 AM |
IMHO:
1. Bernievision is outstanding. I saw things in Monaco that I have never seen. Some of the perspectives were truly outstanding. I have watched the Monaco race for the past 10 eyars and never realized that there was such a downhill coming out of the tunnel into the nouvelle chicane. I thought that the helicopter coverage was great.
2. I liked the announcers. I wish there would have been a bit more of the technical inside stuff that Matchett brings, but overall they were excited and presented pretty well.
3. The nose to tail racing between DC, JPM and MS was absolutely outstanding. A pity that Montoya blew up. I've always known that JOM has ice water in his veins, but he drove like a master with Michael as close to his gearbox as anyone could be.
4. Same for DC.
I won't be able to see the Montreal race on TV as I will be in Stand 21 at the pits hairpin watching it live. However, I hope that ABC does as good a job as they did with Monaco.
Lastly, While Danny Sullivan leaves me a bit cold, I apprecaited the efforts of Red Bull to build the market in the US for F1 racing. I've never tasted that stuff as my tastes run to diet pepsi and beer, but I might even try a can or two.
1. Bernievision is outstanding. I saw things in Monaco that I have never seen. Some of the perspectives were truly outstanding. I have watched the Monaco race for the past 10 eyars and never realized that there was such a downhill coming out of the tunnel into the nouvelle chicane. I thought that the helicopter coverage was great.
2. I liked the announcers. I wish there would have been a bit more of the technical inside stuff that Matchett brings, but overall they were excited and presented pretty well.
3. The nose to tail racing between DC, JPM and MS was absolutely outstanding. A pity that Montoya blew up. I've always known that JOM has ice water in his veins, but he drove like a master with Michael as close to his gearbox as anyone could be.
4. Same for DC.
I won't be able to see the Montreal race on TV as I will be in Stand 21 at the pits hairpin watching it live. However, I hope that ABC does as good a job as they did with Monaco.
Lastly, While Danny Sullivan leaves me a bit cold, I apprecaited the efforts of Red Bull to build the market in the US for F1 racing. I've never tasted that stuff as my tastes run to diet pepsi and beer, but I might even try a can or two.
| meebs | 05-27-2002 10:25 AM |
ABC
I preferred the ABC coverage. Caught most of it... One thing has ticked me all season though, probably the fault of the world feed... Why on Earth do they constantly show the running order with how many stops they've had!?!? After everyone has had their first set, show split times PLEASE!! Talk about pointlesss!
| Fred Zaplitny | 05-27-2002 02:25 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by grandpa rex [/i]
[B]
Lastly, While Danny Sullivan leaves me a bit cold, I apprecaited the efforts of Red Bull to build the market in the US for F1 racing. I've never tasted that stuff as my tastes run to diet pepsi and beer, but I might even try a can or two. [/B][/QUOTE]
Red Bull = Crack in a can! Do not drink any before bedtime, just my word of advise!
[B]
Lastly, While Danny Sullivan leaves me a bit cold, I apprecaited the efforts of Red Bull to build the market in the US for F1 racing. I've never tasted that stuff as my tastes run to diet pepsi and beer, but I might even try a can or two. [/B][/QUOTE]
Red Bull = Crack in a can! Do not drink any before bedtime, just my word of advise!
| johnfelstead | 05-27-2002 05:58 PM |
Red Bull kicks ass. :D
Thats the only stuff that keeps me going through the night on my trips to the ring. Dont drink too much in one go though, you get seriously hyper. :lol::D
Thats the only stuff that keeps me going through the night on my trips to the ring. Dont drink too much in one go though, you get seriously hyper. :lol::D
| LordBass | 05-27-2002 06:07 PM |
Points to ABC for having mercy and allowing Bernievision to shine.. Good coverage despite Danny Sullivan's drab "additions".. At least he's quite familiar with the sport. I dig John Watson well enough from his recent seasons of commentary for BTCC.
For being a big-network production, it went well! Good to see Coulthard with a rare moment in the spotlight.
Roll on Canada, can't wait to go to the race!!
lb
[url]www.trancelab.com[/url]
For being a big-network production, it went well! Good to see Coulthard with a rare moment in the spotlight.
Roll on Canada, can't wait to go to the race!!
lb
[url]www.trancelab.com[/url]
| Patrick Olsen | 05-27-2002 10:01 PM |
I, too, thought the coverage was very good, although one of the announcers was kinda mush-mouthed. Whatever... The 30min Red Bull "commercial" prior to the race was kinda cool, but also kinda strange, as it was basically just a big advertisement.
I agree with grandpa rex, some of the new camera angles were really good. I, too, didn't realize there was such a downhill after the tunnel. The camera shot looking from the water side of the track back towards the quick left-right by the Swimming Pool was awesome. The first time they showed a string of three cars coming through there I honestly thought they had accidentally shown the first car coming in in fast motion, the turn-in was just [i]sooo[/i] fast!! :eek: Awesome! We even got to ride along with Schumi a bit, a rare occurence.
It will definitely be interesting to see how the live Canadian Grand Prix coverage comes off next week.
Edit: Oh, and how about DC/Mclaren beating JPM/Williams/BMW at their own game to start the race. Ever since launch control was introduced last year the Williams boys have pretty much been the kings of getting great starts, but this time DC just rocketed by JPM. Did JPM just screw up, or did Mclaren fix up their launch control system?
Pat Olsen
'97 Legacy 2.5GT sedan
I agree with grandpa rex, some of the new camera angles were really good. I, too, didn't realize there was such a downhill after the tunnel. The camera shot looking from the water side of the track back towards the quick left-right by the Swimming Pool was awesome. The first time they showed a string of three cars coming through there I honestly thought they had accidentally shown the first car coming in in fast motion, the turn-in was just [i]sooo[/i] fast!! :eek: Awesome! We even got to ride along with Schumi a bit, a rare occurence.
It will definitely be interesting to see how the live Canadian Grand Prix coverage comes off next week.
Edit: Oh, and how about DC/Mclaren beating JPM/Williams/BMW at their own game to start the race. Ever since launch control was introduced last year the Williams boys have pretty much been the kings of getting great starts, but this time DC just rocketed by JPM. Did JPM just screw up, or did Mclaren fix up their launch control system?
Pat Olsen
'97 Legacy 2.5GT sedan
| rkkwan | 05-27-2002 10:09 PM |
I have no idea what Red Bull tastes like. But since they sponsor the network F1 telecast, I might just give it a try! :)
Grandpa Rex and Pat Olsen - What do you mean you don't know there's a downhill after the tunnel? Oh, I guess you guys don't play GT3. :D
-Ray
Grandpa Rex and Pat Olsen - What do you mean you don't know there's a downhill after the tunnel? Oh, I guess you guys don't play GT3. :D
-Ray
| sirfrankwilliams | 05-27-2002 10:29 PM |
I heard one of the ingredients in Red Bull is bull pee-pee.
| TimStevens | 05-28-2002 08:39 AM |
The ABC coverage wasn't bad, but I wish they'd spent more time on the race, and less time with that 30 minute intro in the beginning. Maybe then they wouldn't have had to edit about 10 laps out of the race :rolleyes:
The commentators were pretty terrible, IMHO. I love how they started saying that DC's race was surely over when his engine started smoking, then with like 4 laps left they started saying things like "This is a great victory for McLaren, Coulthard must surely be happy with his win." I was screaming at the TV for them to shut up and stop jinxing him!
Anyway, great race, some good dicing even if there was damn near zero passing. Here's hoping ABC does ok with Montreal...
-tim
The commentators were pretty terrible, IMHO. I love how they started saying that DC's race was surely over when his engine started smoking, then with like 4 laps left they started saying things like "This is a great victory for McLaren, Coulthard must surely be happy with his win." I was screaming at the TV for them to shut up and stop jinxing him!
Anyway, great race, some good dicing even if there was damn near zero passing. Here's hoping ABC does ok with Montreal...
-tim
| Dr. WOT | 05-28-2002 09:52 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by grandpa rex [/i]
[B]IMHO:
1. Bernievision is outstanding. I saw things in Monaco that I have never seen. Some of the perspectives were truly outstanding. I have watched the Monaco race for the past 10 eyars and never realized that there was such a downhill coming out of the tunnel into the nouvelle chicane. I thought that the helicopter coverage was great.
2. I liked the announcers. I wish there would have been a bit more of the technical inside stuff that Matchett brings, but overall they were excited and presented pretty well.. [/B][/QUOTE]
AGREED 100% especailly the bit about the downhill out of the tunnel. There were several other things, like the rear facing incar camera; combined with the close confines of Monaco, the TV viewer got a rare taste for just how fast an F1 car is... they accelerate so freaking fast!
The announcers were just fine, at least they could muster some excitement in their voices... compare that to Sam Posey. John Watson's accent gets a bit old after a while ("He pooools off to the side"), but overall it was a very creditable job by ABC.
DC [img]http://i-club.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif[/img]
[B]IMHO:
1. Bernievision is outstanding. I saw things in Monaco that I have never seen. Some of the perspectives were truly outstanding. I have watched the Monaco race for the past 10 eyars and never realized that there was such a downhill coming out of the tunnel into the nouvelle chicane. I thought that the helicopter coverage was great.
2. I liked the announcers. I wish there would have been a bit more of the technical inside stuff that Matchett brings, but overall they were excited and presented pretty well.. [/B][/QUOTE]
AGREED 100% especailly the bit about the downhill out of the tunnel. There were several other things, like the rear facing incar camera; combined with the close confines of Monaco, the TV viewer got a rare taste for just how fast an F1 car is... they accelerate so freaking fast!
The announcers were just fine, at least they could muster some excitement in their voices... compare that to Sam Posey. John Watson's accent gets a bit old after a while ("He pooools off to the side"), but overall it was a very creditable job by ABC.
DC [img]http://i-club.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif[/img]
| gtguy | 05-28-2002 12:45 PM |
Good question Pat, I know that McLaren have been working really hard on their launch control setup, and if you're going to hook up a new system, why not have it for Monaco? All three got great starts actually, even Schumacher who is usually pokey off the line.
Kevin
Kevin
| johnfelstead | 05-28-2002 05:45 PM |
I would say Renault had the best launch control at the start of the year, when the Ferrari 2002 came out that was a big step forward for them, Michael and Rubens have had good starts since it seems.
Looking at the video footage i think DC got much better traction when they went to 2nd gear, DC was quite smart, unlike most circuits the grip is in the middle of the grid and DC had his car spot on for getting good traction from the track.
I think the cars are now pretty close on first gear take off. The next event should be more telling as thats a traditional start grid in terms of grip.
DC drove a good race, but it's pretty imposible to overtake at Monaco so all he had to do was keep on line and not screw up the pitstop and he couldnt lose really. It was nice to see a genuine win though, i dont think i have ever seen DC smile so much.
I walked the track in January when i was there for the rally, it's got some seriously steep climbs and falls, you dont get a good impresion from the TV pictures.
Looking at the video footage i think DC got much better traction when they went to 2nd gear, DC was quite smart, unlike most circuits the grip is in the middle of the grid and DC had his car spot on for getting good traction from the track.
I think the cars are now pretty close on first gear take off. The next event should be more telling as thats a traditional start grid in terms of grip.
DC drove a good race, but it's pretty imposible to overtake at Monaco so all he had to do was keep on line and not screw up the pitstop and he couldnt lose really. It was nice to see a genuine win though, i dont think i have ever seen DC smile so much.
I walked the track in January when i was there for the rally, it's got some seriously steep climbs and falls, you dont get a good impresion from the TV pictures.
| gtguy | 05-29-2002 04:31 PM |
The wife and I are planning to visit Monaco while we're in France, to at least drive the streets at the posted limits (I know...won't be the same). But I'll still get all tingly just from knowing the cars that were there before me. :D
Kevin
Kevin
| ForzaF1 | 05-29-2002 11:32 PM |
[QUOTE]But I'll still get all tingly just from knowing the cars that were there before me. [/QUOTE]
Do it! And don't foget to post some pics here :) When I was in Melbourne I visted Albert Park and stood in pit lane with Schumacher's tire tracks heading away from out of the pit box and I got shivers up and down my spine :)
Do it! And don't foget to post some pics here :) When I was in Melbourne I visted Albert Park and stood in pit lane with Schumacher's tire tracks heading away from out of the pit box and I got shivers up and down my spine :)
| Ratsback | 05-30-2002 12:16 AM |
ABC coverage
The coverage was exceptional! I was truly involved in a race for the first time in a while... I taped it so I'll get to watch it again.
Red Bull tastes like Gummi Bear juice.... not the fake crap, the real stuff from Haribo Germany.... It is sweet, very fruity and makes your head spin. Its pretty strange stuff...
Red Bull tastes like Gummi Bear juice.... not the fake crap, the real stuff from Haribo Germany.... It is sweet, very fruity and makes your head spin. Its pretty strange stuff...
| Arioch | 05-30-2002 12:44 PM |
i didn't get to see the race yet, since i was auto-xing and i didn't tape it, but i'm really looking forward to speed's replay. it sounds like it was a great race...
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by sirfrankwilliams [/i]
[B]I heard one of the ingredients in Red Bull is bull pee-pee. [/B][/QUOTE]
urban legend... with as sweet as it is, i don't see how there are any ingredients other than sugar in that drink. i love it! :D makes you look like this... :eek:
-dave
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by sirfrankwilliams [/i]
[B]I heard one of the ingredients in Red Bull is bull pee-pee. [/B][/QUOTE]
urban legend... with as sweet as it is, i don't see how there are any ingredients other than sugar in that drink. i love it! :D makes you look like this... :eek:
-dave
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