| 2phless | 05-22-2005 06:57 PM |
A harness bar that is 'wife' friendly.
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I've wanted a cusco harness bar since day one, but was not about to pay $400 for a bent tube and some heim joints. So last night I finaly made good on my threat and built my own. I used some square tube stock and a few other odds and ends like big gate hinges for the top attachments and put together a harness that's very stout and doesn't weigh much either. The whole assy. might be 20 lbs.
Plus with the cusco, my wife wouldn't like taking trips in the car with the seat adjustment hindered.
so here it is, primed, before I painted it gunmetal with silver flake. This is the front view so the right is what goes behind the driver. The big curve back o nthe left side is for the passenger seat.
[IMG]http://x4.putfile.com/5/14117474669.jpg[/IMG]
Other side of the same shot showing some added structure for ridgidity.
[IMG]http://x4.putfile.com/5/14117481922.jpg[/IMG]
A close up of the super-high-tech gate hinge.
[IMG]http://x4.putfile.com/5/14117480139.jpg[/IMG]
Painted and in the car.
[IMG]http://x4.putfile.com/5/14117484232.jpg[/IMG]
Plus with the cusco, my wife wouldn't like taking trips in the car with the seat adjustment hindered.
so here it is, primed, before I painted it gunmetal with silver flake. This is the front view so the right is what goes behind the driver. The big curve back o nthe left side is for the passenger seat.
[IMG]http://x4.putfile.com/5/14117474669.jpg[/IMG]
Other side of the same shot showing some added structure for ridgidity.
[IMG]http://x4.putfile.com/5/14117481922.jpg[/IMG]
A close up of the super-high-tech gate hinge.
[IMG]http://x4.putfile.com/5/14117480139.jpg[/IMG]
Painted and in the car.
[IMG]http://x4.putfile.com/5/14117484232.jpg[/IMG]
| 2phless | 05-22-2005 07:00 PM |
And some shots of seat positions:
Driver's
[IMG]http://x4.putfile.com/5/14117463713.jpg[/IMG]
And passenger's reclined ATW.
[IMG]http://x4.putfile.com/5/14117465685.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://x4.putfile.com/5/14117471483.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://x4.putfile.com/5/14117473488.jpg[/IMG]
Driver's
[IMG]http://x4.putfile.com/5/14117463713.jpg[/IMG]
And passenger's reclined ATW.
[IMG]http://x4.putfile.com/5/14117465685.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://x4.putfile.com/5/14117471483.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://x4.putfile.com/5/14117473488.jpg[/IMG]
| 311grassroots | 05-22-2005 07:59 PM |
dude that is ****ing sick. Nice job by the way. How would you feel about making one for me? Maybe we could arrange something, PM me if you want
| jsmonet | 05-22-2005 10:13 PM |
you gotta be yanking me. i just don't believe it.
| gregr01 | 05-22-2005 10:37 PM |
:huh:
umm, it goes nicely with the Hurst-type shift "knob."
umm, it goes nicely with the Hurst-type shift "knob."
| Uncle Scotty | 05-22-2005 10:38 PM |
....outstanding....
| chudlo | 05-22-2005 10:44 PM |
Good job!
I know how hard it is to mod and stay "wife friendly". :lol:
That looks great.
I know how hard it is to mod and stay "wife friendly". :lol:
That looks great.
| ebeck | 05-22-2005 10:59 PM |
Incase of an accident, what prevents the bar from rotating and the driver form face planting the steering wheel? From the looks of it, the seat will stop the bar. Effectivly making the seat the harness bar support. The bar I see there holds the belt and the seats stop the bar itself. I suspect those hinges are a HUGE liability.
I applaude the effort for sure and it makes a great prototype. As far as saftey goes, it is a bit dubious I am afraid. Use round tubing, bend it and use 1/4 steel end plates, weld them with a guset and I'd be a customer. :)
I applaude the effort for sure and it makes a great prototype. As far as saftey goes, it is a bit dubious I am afraid. Use round tubing, bend it and use 1/4 steel end plates, weld them with a guset and I'd be a customer. :)
| jsmonet | 05-22-2005 11:00 PM |
[QUOTE=Uncle Scotty]....outstanding....[/QUOTE]
sarcasm?
to the op: please, please sneak a legit harness bar into your car. 35k on the car, you can sneak a 400 dollar harness bar into it. just ghb your wife up a bit for a few days while you get it powdercoated black and pull a swap while she's roofied up.
sarcasm?
to the op: please, please sneak a legit harness bar into your car. 35k on the car, you can sneak a 400 dollar harness bar into it. just ghb your wife up a bit for a few days while you get it powdercoated black and pull a swap while she's roofied up.
| WRXSIG | 05-22-2005 11:39 PM |
:eek: :huh: that looks SO unsafe. Pretty good effort. but seriously something just doesnt look right to me. specially in a rollover. nothing like sqaure tubing snapping and poking your brains.
and mother of god....that shifter. :furious:
if you like thats all that matters :)
and mother of god....that shifter. :furious:
if you like thats all that matters :)
| 2phless | 05-22-2005 11:51 PM |
As far as accident's. I auto-cross. And that's the only time I have the harnesses around me. If I were good enough to be fast in the auto-x I'd worry a little. As of yet, I suck. If the seat and bar fail at 20 mph agains a light post, I deserved to die. but neither will. Pay for one? Ha! I've already wasted every penny in mods to this point, (except for the hood pistons. Those rock!) so no, Cusco will not get anymore cash from me.
If there is a structural issue with this bar during a highway accident, it'll only be after catastrophic b pillar failure. In which case I'm probably toast anyway. The $400 Cusco tube will become a brain javelin just as easily as my frankenstein bar. This isn't a part for sanctioned racing, it's just a step above having the harnesses 'rice' attached to the floor or rear deck.
Other than auto-x use, it's just a means to discourage my friends from wanting me to drive since they'll be too scared to sit in back. I may weld saw teeth along the edges.
If there is a structural issue with this bar during a highway accident, it'll only be after catastrophic b pillar failure. In which case I'm probably toast anyway. The $400 Cusco tube will become a brain javelin just as easily as my frankenstein bar. This isn't a part for sanctioned racing, it's just a step above having the harnesses 'rice' attached to the floor or rear deck.
Other than auto-x use, it's just a means to discourage my friends from wanting me to drive since they'll be too scared to sit in back. I may weld saw teeth along the edges.
| ydant | 05-23-2005 12:12 AM |
It's a great idea, but I agree with the other posters about the safety concerns. I'd be too worried about it to use it...
| jojor512 | 05-23-2005 12:14 AM |
theres no way in hell that is safe, but at least it looks kind of cool. I just don't understand why you'd put all that effort in and then use hinges (gate hinges ***)...and bolt them to the seatbelts...
EDIT: BTW, it seems to me that if you're modding your car, this is the type of mod to wisely shell out the cash, say, over a shift nob ;)
EDIT: BTW, it seems to me that if you're modding your car, this is the type of mod to wisely shell out the cash, say, over a shift nob ;)
| 2phless | 05-23-2005 12:19 AM |
Oh. And I'm not defending the T-shift Hurst knob.
I installed an STI short shifter a long while back, after cutting and welding it to kartboy's specs (well, darn close.) I figure that'd be of a little more importance than the ornament on top. Once I figure out how to get the Draft Beer tap on there with the reverse lockout intact, I'm all over it. Does Kirin sell kegs? I wanna keep it JDM 'yo'.
I installed an STI short shifter a long while back, after cutting and welding it to kartboy's specs (well, darn close.) I figure that'd be of a little more importance than the ornament on top. Once I figure out how to get the Draft Beer tap on there with the reverse lockout intact, I'm all over it. Does Kirin sell kegs? I wanna keep it JDM 'yo'.
| ebeck | 05-23-2005 12:40 AM |
Sparco makes quick release fixtures for harnes belts. So you could mount them in the rear belt location. When you auto cross snap the belts in then take them out. Much easier. You get proper belt mounting points as a benifit. Just a thought.
Local fella blew out his RA gear set with a hurst knob. Grabbing gears like the WRC drivers. Prolly should have mentioned to him they have dog boxes. Ah to be young.
Local fella blew out his RA gear set with a hurst knob. Grabbing gears like the WRC drivers. Prolly should have mentioned to him they have dog boxes. Ah to be young.
| 2phless | 05-23-2005 12:41 AM |
[QUOTE=jojor512]theres no way in hell that is safe, but at least it looks kind of cool. I just don't understand why you'd put all that effort in and then use hinges (gate hinges ***)...and bolt them to the seatbelts...
EDIT: BTW, it seems to me that if you're modding your car, this is the type of mod to wisely shell out the cash, say, over a shift nob ;)[/QUOTE]
Why are you people up so late? I wanna go to bed! :huh:
The hinges are the one reason I felt like I could build the thing. It got me past my only design issue which was having to make any spot-welds inside the car and dropping sparks on the carpet and seats etc... Yeah. I can pull the interior out, but I never have time. I did want to stiffen the hinge part that bolts to the pillar but ran out of energy. (work 'til 2 am, get up at 7 am to drive to auto-x)
Otherwise I'da measured twice.. three times even, then cut and welded 'til my heart's content, just to have to cut it up and start over. I have a bug when it comes to mixing math and real life for some reason. I can do both well, individually. So I build stuff like sculpture. Install a chunk of metal and cut-away what doesn't look like a harness-bar.
My friend runs the Sparco (I've been calling it Cusco all along... my bad) bar. I've gone over it. He's offered to let me pull it and copy it. (I'd need a shop to make those nice curves though) And I have a local source for the heim joints and the turnbuckle rods. I could adapt the design to mine for the wife. But this one is in and done. Tried today at the auto-x and it works. I can pull in uncomfortably tight with the harnesses.
A rollover with the Sparco is just as fatal...and again, not gonna happen at the auto-x. And it's sure not gonna happen on the streets. The lemmings on the roads of N.C. make mistakes so slowly I could anticipate it and write them a letter about it before they finish wrecking.
I'd love to have the resources to make this one a template and build a better one. But the limiting factor is time. I still have half a bathroom to install. And if you think an uncomforatble car makes my boo-boo unhappy, try backerboard dust all over the master bath. :(
EDIT: BTW, it seems to me that if you're modding your car, this is the type of mod to wisely shell out the cash, say, over a shift nob ;)[/QUOTE]
Why are you people up so late? I wanna go to bed! :huh:
The hinges are the one reason I felt like I could build the thing. It got me past my only design issue which was having to make any spot-welds inside the car and dropping sparks on the carpet and seats etc... Yeah. I can pull the interior out, but I never have time. I did want to stiffen the hinge part that bolts to the pillar but ran out of energy. (work 'til 2 am, get up at 7 am to drive to auto-x)
Otherwise I'da measured twice.. three times even, then cut and welded 'til my heart's content, just to have to cut it up and start over. I have a bug when it comes to mixing math and real life for some reason. I can do both well, individually. So I build stuff like sculpture. Install a chunk of metal and cut-away what doesn't look like a harness-bar.
My friend runs the Sparco (I've been calling it Cusco all along... my bad) bar. I've gone over it. He's offered to let me pull it and copy it. (I'd need a shop to make those nice curves though) And I have a local source for the heim joints and the turnbuckle rods. I could adapt the design to mine for the wife. But this one is in and done. Tried today at the auto-x and it works. I can pull in uncomfortably tight with the harnesses.
A rollover with the Sparco is just as fatal...and again, not gonna happen at the auto-x. And it's sure not gonna happen on the streets. The lemmings on the roads of N.C. make mistakes so slowly I could anticipate it and write them a letter about it before they finish wrecking.
I'd love to have the resources to make this one a template and build a better one. But the limiting factor is time. I still have half a bathroom to install. And if you think an uncomforatble car makes my boo-boo unhappy, try backerboard dust all over the master bath. :(
| BrianJ1888 | 05-23-2005 12:45 AM |
[QUOTE=2phless] it's just a step above having the harnesses 'rice' attached to the floor or rear deck. [/QUOTE]
Um, don't most manufacturers of belts suggest mounting them using the stock seatbelt mounts as pickups?
Um, don't most manufacturers of belts suggest mounting them using the stock seatbelt mounts as pickups?
| 2phless | 05-23-2005 12:51 AM |
[QUOTE=ebeck]Sparco makes quick release fixtures for harnes belts. So you could mount them in the rear belt location. When you auto cross snap the belts in then take them out. Much easier. You get proper belt mounting points as a benifit. Just a thought.
Local fella blew out his RA gear set with a hurst knob. Grabbing gears like the WRC drivers. Prolly should have mentioned to him they have dog boxes. Ah to be young.[/QUOTE]
Ug... eastern time sucks.
I've found with the T that I can beat the synchros by a long shot (here I am defending it like I said I woudn't) but it only took two quick, nasty sounding and feeling shifts to develop a studder in my timing on the shifts. (I can see how a tranny could get beaten up easily though) Just a hint of a pause as I move from 1-2 or 3-4 so the metal doesn't fly. I call it my limp-wristed-Lammar style. Just a second of relaxation in the wrist, since my fingers have all the leverage they need to pull the knob, the rest of my hand and arm are relaxed. It just feels right to me.
And when I stab at the shifter, unbalanced in a turn or something odd like that, where I would have missed a grip on a round knob, I still tag the 'T' with enough force to make the shift...granted a fingernail might rip off or I dislocate a pinky knuckle... but I made the shift. That's what counts.
Local fella blew out his RA gear set with a hurst knob. Grabbing gears like the WRC drivers. Prolly should have mentioned to him they have dog boxes. Ah to be young.[/QUOTE]
Ug... eastern time sucks.
I've found with the T that I can beat the synchros by a long shot (here I am defending it like I said I woudn't) but it only took two quick, nasty sounding and feeling shifts to develop a studder in my timing on the shifts. (I can see how a tranny could get beaten up easily though) Just a hint of a pause as I move from 1-2 or 3-4 so the metal doesn't fly. I call it my limp-wristed-Lammar style. Just a second of relaxation in the wrist, since my fingers have all the leverage they need to pull the knob, the rest of my hand and arm are relaxed. It just feels right to me.
And when I stab at the shifter, unbalanced in a turn or something odd like that, where I would have missed a grip on a round knob, I still tag the 'T' with enough force to make the shift...granted a fingernail might rip off or I dislocate a pinky knuckle... but I made the shift. That's what counts.
| 2phless | 05-23-2005 12:54 AM |
[QUOTE=BrianJ1888]Um, don't most manufacturers of belts suggest mounting them using the stock seatbelt mounts as pickups?[/QUOTE]
With or without a harness bar? I don't think there is any reccomendation for a mounting position w/o a bar. I used the baby seat clips on the rear deck. That seemed the safest of two evils w/o a bar.
Now people, please stop responing. The adderall won't let me sleep if you do.
must-reply-to-everything.... losing conciousness...
With or without a harness bar? I don't think there is any reccomendation for a mounting position w/o a bar. I used the baby seat clips on the rear deck. That seemed the safest of two evils w/o a bar.
Now people, please stop responing. The adderall won't let me sleep if you do.
must-reply-to-everything.... losing conciousness...
| Impr3zaGuy | 05-23-2005 01:13 AM |
Good job!!!!!!!
| 909 | 05-23-2005 04:15 AM |
[QUOTE=WRXSIG]:eek: :huh: that looks SO unsafe. Pretty good effort. but seriously something just doesnt look right to me. specially in a rollover. nothing like sqaure tubing snapping and poking your brains.
and mother of god....that shifter. :furious:
if you like thats all that matters :)[/QUOTE]
Ditto. Holy Lord man, that thing looks crazy unsafe and way too Ghetto for your nice car (and when I say nice car I am excluding the Hurst shifter knob).
and mother of god....that shifter. :furious:
if you like thats all that matters :)[/QUOTE]
Ditto. Holy Lord man, that thing looks crazy unsafe and way too Ghetto for your nice car (and when I say nice car I am excluding the Hurst shifter knob).
| yo vanilla | 05-23-2005 07:54 AM |
seriously? well i've got to admire the grassroots take to this but at the same time... hinges? ***? and if you aren't going to use it all the time anyway, why not just get the cusco bar and take it off during non track days?
| yo vanilla | 05-23-2005 07:55 AM |
actually on second thought, you do know that you can buy harness adapters or even whole harnesses that just plug into your rear seatbelt receptors
:)
:)
| Blaise | 05-23-2005 10:36 AM |
I'm only through my sophomore year of engineering courses for ME, but I can tell you that that... 'thing' looks about as sophisticated as an aluminum wing on a stock Civic DX.
As others have said, you paid $35k for a car, don't cheap out and try to save yourself $400 when you obvoiusly dont have the ability to do it properly, especially when it comes to safety equipment.
Remove it now, I'm dead serious.
As others have said, you paid $35k for a car, don't cheap out and try to save yourself $400 when you obvoiusly dont have the ability to do it properly, especially when it comes to safety equipment.
Remove it now, I'm dead serious.
| Hayaboosted | 05-23-2005 11:11 AM |
Why even run a bar?? You do not have to run one in a car. Bring the straps back at a 90deg angle and mount them somewhere in the rear, possible under the rear seat. This way its still safe and you can use your stock belts if you have passengers in the rear. If i was your wife I would be scared! No offense
| sam caldwell | 05-23-2005 11:12 AM |
[QUOTE=2phles
Other than auto-x use, it's just a means to discourage my friends from wanting me to drive since they'll be too scared to sit in back. I may weld saw teeth along the edges.[/QUOTE] i like the way he thinks
Other than auto-x use, it's just a means to discourage my friends from wanting me to drive since they'll be too scared to sit in back. I may weld saw teeth along the edges.[/QUOTE] i like the way he thinks
| Nipper77 | 05-23-2005 01:29 PM |
That shifter and you're worried about a wife friendly harness?
It's a great thought but a little dangerous.
Nice work though.
c.t.
It's a great thought but a little dangerous.
Nice work though.
c.t.
| brrneon | 05-23-2005 01:59 PM |
[QUOTE=2phless]
A rollover with the Sparco is just as fatal...and again, not gonna happen at the auto-x. And it's sure not gonna happen on the streets. The lemmings on the roads of N.C. make mistakes so slowly I could anticipate it and write them a letter about it before they finish wrecking.
[/QUOTE]
I saw this thread from another forum and decided to tell you that rollovers and other accidents can happen on an autox. I'm not going to make a comment toward the safety of that bar.
I've seen a focus rollover doing about 30 mph *don't insert just here, there are too many to write down ;) *. The guy was flooring it down the back strait and started to brake for a right, then a left, then a real sharp right. The back tires came up off the ground during the last turn and he rolled forward. He walked away just fine but the car was totaled.
I have also seen a corvette go really hot into a turn, slide sideways off the course hit the grass and rollover. Wasn't much damage, fliped the car over started it up and drove off.
These thing do happen, always remember that.
A rollover with the Sparco is just as fatal...and again, not gonna happen at the auto-x. And it's sure not gonna happen on the streets. The lemmings on the roads of N.C. make mistakes so slowly I could anticipate it and write them a letter about it before they finish wrecking.
[/QUOTE]
I saw this thread from another forum and decided to tell you that rollovers and other accidents can happen on an autox. I'm not going to make a comment toward the safety of that bar.
I've seen a focus rollover doing about 30 mph *don't insert just here, there are too many to write down ;) *. The guy was flooring it down the back strait and started to brake for a right, then a left, then a real sharp right. The back tires came up off the ground during the last turn and he rolled forward. He walked away just fine but the car was totaled.
I have also seen a corvette go really hot into a turn, slide sideways off the course hit the grass and rollover. Wasn't much damage, fliped the car over started it up and drove off.
These thing do happen, always remember that.
| azimiut | 05-23-2005 02:28 PM |
roll overs happen. have you seen the video of the chick driving the evo and rolling it like 4 times?
| Uncle Scotty | 05-23-2005 03:32 PM |
[QUOTE=jsmonet]sarcasm?
[/QUOTE]
...not at all.
I am all for DIY's......given the wherewithall to do them....why not???
[/QUOTE]
...not at all.
I am all for DIY's......given the wherewithall to do them....why not???
| veightkiller | 05-23-2005 03:44 PM |
nice job! i dig it but if you have more time you might want to clean those welds and smooth it with a bondo or something then paint it blue..just my .02
| Driven EF8 | 05-23-2005 07:58 PM |
this is seriously one of the funniest threads ever!!
i can't believe someone used square tubing and some gate hinges to build a harness bar.
on one side, you're saying you don't want to spend money on SAFETY EQUIPMENT and then proceed to spend x amount of hours building a harness bar that is better suited in a closet than in a car. and cusco is crap. I wouldn't buy a rollcage/bar from them either.
i give you credit for the creativity and welding skills... but... that thing is hilarious!
thanks for the laugh! want to design suspension pieces out of some coathangers welded to eye bolts?
hhahahhaha
i can't believe someone used square tubing and some gate hinges to build a harness bar.
on one side, you're saying you don't want to spend money on SAFETY EQUIPMENT and then proceed to spend x amount of hours building a harness bar that is better suited in a closet than in a car. and cusco is crap. I wouldn't buy a rollcage/bar from them either.
i give you credit for the creativity and welding skills... but... that thing is hilarious!
thanks for the laugh! want to design suspension pieces out of some coathangers welded to eye bolts?
hhahahhaha
| qmaladaq | 05-23-2005 08:12 PM |
OOOoooOoo your good. EF8.....
anyways. good try. at least you have somthing to work from in a redesign.
laters
anyways. good try. at least you have somthing to work from in a redesign.
laters
| spooledwrx | 05-23-2005 08:53 PM |
I like your harness! haha
| 2phless | 05-23-2005 09:07 PM |
I bet my bar is stronger than a CRX.
I totally understand all the various 'concerns' and the reasons behind them. I'm not offended. If I were, I'd avoid NASIOC like the plague.
But I think the "wife friendly" description was not properly understood across the board. It simply refers to the fact that she can recline the seat to a comfortable position. It's not a comment on her desire for me not to spend money (although that IS a concern of her's, not mine.) Like/dislike the bar or the design or the idea. All good by me, but please don't misunderstand my reason for trying this idea out. Comfort (for her). Not fashion (for lookers-on.)
If I get a tubing bender some day (one of those with a bottle jack and some steel arcs), then it'll become a template for a better bar. 'Til then. It'll do the job.
I totally understand all the various 'concerns' and the reasons behind them. I'm not offended. If I were, I'd avoid NASIOC like the plague.
But I think the "wife friendly" description was not properly understood across the board. It simply refers to the fact that she can recline the seat to a comfortable position. It's not a comment on her desire for me not to spend money (although that IS a concern of her's, not mine.) Like/dislike the bar or the design or the idea. All good by me, but please don't misunderstand my reason for trying this idea out. Comfort (for her). Not fashion (for lookers-on.)
If I get a tubing bender some day (one of those with a bottle jack and some steel arcs), then it'll become a template for a better bar. 'Til then. It'll do the job.
| 2phless | 05-23-2005 09:08 PM |
[QUOTE=spooledwrx]I like your harness! haha[/QUOTE]
Ebay! :banana:
Ebay! :banana:
| Zor | 05-23-2005 11:08 PM |
I think its a great idea, but I would have a solid bar welded insted of those hinges tho
| veightkiller | 05-23-2005 11:20 PM |
[QUOTE=Driven EF8]this is seriously one of the funniest threads ever!!
i can't believe someone used square tubing and some gate hinges to build a harness bar.
on one side, you're saying you don't want to spend money on SAFETY EQUIPMENT and then proceed to spend x amount of hours building a harness bar that is better suited in a closet than in a car. and cusco is crap. I wouldn't buy a rollcage/bar from them either.
i give you credit for the creativity and welding skills... but... that thing is hilarious!
thanks for the laugh! want to design suspension pieces out of some coathangers welded to eye bolts?
hhahahhaha[/QUOTE]
so your laughing ah..can you make one of those harness bar he did? i guess not so why don't you take a hike with your crx and why don't you start making your own design of suspension pieces out of a coathangers welded to eye bolts it'd your idea smart azz..
i can't believe someone used square tubing and some gate hinges to build a harness bar.
on one side, you're saying you don't want to spend money on SAFETY EQUIPMENT and then proceed to spend x amount of hours building a harness bar that is better suited in a closet than in a car. and cusco is crap. I wouldn't buy a rollcage/bar from them either.
i give you credit for the creativity and welding skills... but... that thing is hilarious!
thanks for the laugh! want to design suspension pieces out of some coathangers welded to eye bolts?
hhahahhaha[/QUOTE]
so your laughing ah..can you make one of those harness bar he did? i guess not so why don't you take a hike with your crx and why don't you start making your own design of suspension pieces out of a coathangers welded to eye bolts it'd your idea smart azz..
| Kenji815 | 05-23-2005 11:53 PM |
@_@
interesting DIY project..
i say if ur wife don't like the harness bar.. you need a new wife..
LOL j/k
interesting DIY project..
i say if ur wife don't like the harness bar.. you need a new wife..
LOL j/k
| Driven EF8 | 05-24-2005 01:22 AM |
[QUOTE=2phless]I bet my bar is stronger than a CRX. [/QUOTE]
although i appreciate the sarcasm... you're still a tool in Darwin's shed.
[QUOTE=veightkiller]so your laughing ah..can you make one of those harness bar he did?[/quote]
can i? never implied i could... the question is, WOULD I... not out of square tubing and some :lol: GATE HINGES :lol:
[quote=veightkiller] i guess not so why don't you take a hike with your crx and why don't you start making your own design of suspension pieces out of a coathangers welded to eye bolts it'd your idea smart azz..[/QUOTE]
nah. I believe in using quality parts and perfected designs... not some crazy design based on someone's fence.
plus, i don't need to fab up a harness bar, that's where rollbars help:
Race:
[img]http://www.thezam.org/kam/images/interior/cage/rear%20hoop.JPG[/img]
Joe Dirt:
[img]http://x4.putfile.com/5/14117484232.jpg[/img]
i mean, outside of the humorous materials being used, it's also extremely unsafe (rollover protection isn't present), and a CG Lock would have sufficed, if the driver is worried about moving too much.
and if you say a rollover isn't likely in an autocross... then you're pretty new to the sport.
Funny how you guys bring up my ownership of a CRX, which means I'm uneducated and extremely out of my league in the subject of rollover protection.
Since I announce at the local autocrosses, i'll have to bring this up... how some guy made a harness bar out of gate hinges and square tubing, hahhahhahha Thanks for the material. this is why i love the internet!
although i appreciate the sarcasm... you're still a tool in Darwin's shed.
[QUOTE=veightkiller]so your laughing ah..can you make one of those harness bar he did?[/quote]
can i? never implied i could... the question is, WOULD I... not out of square tubing and some :lol: GATE HINGES :lol:
[quote=veightkiller] i guess not so why don't you take a hike with your crx and why don't you start making your own design of suspension pieces out of a coathangers welded to eye bolts it'd your idea smart azz..[/QUOTE]
nah. I believe in using quality parts and perfected designs... not some crazy design based on someone's fence.
plus, i don't need to fab up a harness bar, that's where rollbars help:
Race:
[img]http://www.thezam.org/kam/images/interior/cage/rear%20hoop.JPG[/img]
Joe Dirt:
[img]http://x4.putfile.com/5/14117484232.jpg[/img]
i mean, outside of the humorous materials being used, it's also extremely unsafe (rollover protection isn't present), and a CG Lock would have sufficed, if the driver is worried about moving too much.
and if you say a rollover isn't likely in an autocross... then you're pretty new to the sport.
Funny how you guys bring up my ownership of a CRX, which means I'm uneducated and extremely out of my league in the subject of rollover protection.
Since I announce at the local autocrosses, i'll have to bring this up... how some guy made a harness bar out of gate hinges and square tubing, hahhahhahha Thanks for the material. this is why i love the internet!
| veightkiller | 05-24-2005 01:45 AM |
[QUOTE=2phless]I bet my bar is stronger than a CRX.
It simply refers to the fact that she can recline the seat to a comfortable position. . Comfort (for her). Not fashion (for lookers-on.)
.[/QUOTE]
^^^ read this carefully and understand it. if you still don't get it do yourself a favor get your self a V-tech.
so what if the guy uses gate hinges, that's his decision to make.can't live with it?take a hike on your crx w/round pipes all over it and a bunch of hose clamps with you.all you do is talking without reading the fact on why he built that thing on the 1st place.the guy didn't make that harness bar to serves like a rollbar.*****n
It simply refers to the fact that she can recline the seat to a comfortable position. . Comfort (for her). Not fashion (for lookers-on.)
.[/QUOTE]
^^^ read this carefully and understand it. if you still don't get it do yourself a favor get your self a V-tech.
so what if the guy uses gate hinges, that's his decision to make.can't live with it?take a hike on your crx w/round pipes all over it and a bunch of hose clamps with you.all you do is talking without reading the fact on why he built that thing on the 1st place.the guy didn't make that harness bar to serves like a rollbar.*****n
| Layman | 05-24-2005 02:00 PM |
I'll never understand why people think it's a good idea to run a harness on the street.
If you roll and the roof caves, say goodbye to your neck.
If you roll and the roof caves, say goodbye to your neck.
| fcs | 05-24-2005 02:47 PM |
Sweet flippin' Jesus, there are so many things wrong with that setup I don't even know where to begin. Do yourself a favour and throw it in a lake at the first opportunity you get.
| jojor512 | 05-24-2005 04:40 PM |
[QUOTE=veightkiller]^^^ read this carefully and understand it. if you still don't get it do yourself a favor get your self a V-tech.
so what if the guy uses gate hinges, that's his decision to make.can't live with it?take a hike on your crx w/round pipes all over it and a bunch of hose clamps with you.all you do is talking without reading the fact on why he built that thing on the 1st place.the guy didn't make that harness bar to serves like a rollbar.*****n[/QUOTE]
chill out bro. why he built it is irrelevant if he and his wife are put into a situtaion where the car rolls or there's a massive side impact, and they are both more likely to be seriously injured because of this mod. I understand the cool factor with it, and you get props for doing it yourself, but it doesn't make any sense to me why you'd install this bar over a more reputable version so that your wife is more comfortable, only to put both her and yourself at a disadvantage shoudl you crash. **** happens, and a lot of times people who roll aren't at fault. this may be a mod where you need to step back, get a little perspective, and then scrap it and move on. It's one thing to make your own intake, but when you start messing with safety stuff when there are better options out there, you're taking an unnecessary risk. Do what you want, but its silly to expect the majority of people here to say great job, because I think most will agree that your car is now less safe than it was before this...
so what if the guy uses gate hinges, that's his decision to make.can't live with it?take a hike on your crx w/round pipes all over it and a bunch of hose clamps with you.all you do is talking without reading the fact on why he built that thing on the 1st place.the guy didn't make that harness bar to serves like a rollbar.*****n[/QUOTE]
chill out bro. why he built it is irrelevant if he and his wife are put into a situtaion where the car rolls or there's a massive side impact, and they are both more likely to be seriously injured because of this mod. I understand the cool factor with it, and you get props for doing it yourself, but it doesn't make any sense to me why you'd install this bar over a more reputable version so that your wife is more comfortable, only to put both her and yourself at a disadvantage shoudl you crash. **** happens, and a lot of times people who roll aren't at fault. this may be a mod where you need to step back, get a little perspective, and then scrap it and move on. It's one thing to make your own intake, but when you start messing with safety stuff when there are better options out there, you're taking an unnecessary risk. Do what you want, but its silly to expect the majority of people here to say great job, because I think most will agree that your car is now less safe than it was before this...
| jsmonet | 05-24-2005 07:02 PM |
[QUOTE=veightkiller]^^^ read this carefully and understand it. if you still don't get it do yourself a favor get your self a V-tech.[/QUOTE]
you are deliciously ignorant.
i wouldn't ride in a car with that bar installed. square tubing and anchoring the straps to the floor just creeps me out. it's too bad we can't get a couple crash dummies and an sti shell to illustrate just how bad of an idea it is to have that setup in there.
there are so many things wrong in that it's scary. round tubing wouldn't be AS bad, and welding tabs onto it so you can anchor your harness at a proper level would further improve it. the fact still remains, though, that you'd need a cage to really make that safe. the impreza has an integrated cage of sorts that will provide you with MORE protection than the average car, but it's not quite enough for real hairy crashes.
you are deliciously ignorant.
i wouldn't ride in a car with that bar installed. square tubing and anchoring the straps to the floor just creeps me out. it's too bad we can't get a couple crash dummies and an sti shell to illustrate just how bad of an idea it is to have that setup in there.
there are so many things wrong in that it's scary. round tubing wouldn't be AS bad, and welding tabs onto it so you can anchor your harness at a proper level would further improve it. the fact still remains, though, that you'd need a cage to really make that safe. the impreza has an integrated cage of sorts that will provide you with MORE protection than the average car, but it's not quite enough for real hairy crashes.
| Amazake | 05-25-2005 08:03 AM |
[QUOTE=2phless] If I were good enough to be fast in the auto-x I'd worry a little. As of yet, I suck.
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Driven EF8] a CG Lock would have sufficed, if the driver is worried about moving too much.
[/QUOTE]
I couldn't agree more. The DIY is great, I am all for DIY. But, all of that for a novice autocrosser? Plus, will the organization you autocross with let you run?
You can get a pair of CG-locks ( one for you one for instructor ) for $75.
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[QUOTE=Driven EF8] a CG Lock would have sufficed, if the driver is worried about moving too much.
[/QUOTE]
I couldn't agree more. The DIY is great, I am all for DIY. But, all of that for a novice autocrosser? Plus, will the organization you autocross with let you run?
You can get a pair of CG-locks ( one for you one for instructor ) for $75.
| Davenow | 05-25-2005 08:17 AM |
[QUOTE=Driven EF8]
and if you say a rollover isn't likely in an autocross... then you're pretty new to the sport.
![/QUOTE]
Rollovers ARE unlikely in an autocross. Hell man if rollovers are likely at the autocrosses you go to the safety steward should be shot.
Funny how I agree with you about everything else in that post though:p CRX=you must not know anything:huh: :lol: :lol:
I for one an a VERY big proponent of using schroth type harnesses at an autocross. CG locks are great, and for the price, they are awesome, but they just dont hold you in place like a harness will. I like my upper body to be pretty much locked in. I dont see why anyone would need their upper body free to turn, I mean hell, I can turn my head just fine to see out any window I need to.
As far as running them on the street, well yeah, WEARING them on the street is just a bad, bad idea. Just because you have them installed doesnt mean you have to wear them. I wear the factory belt for street driving and just let the harnesses hang.
As far as the rollover concerns, well, IMHO, 2 inch shcroth type harnesses shouldnt be used in applications where your car is going to be tumbling around anyway. For that you should be wearing a real harness (3 inch, thicker, belts mounted at correct locations (ie not low behind you)
That harness bar may be ugly, but as far as usefullness if you are only using the harnesses as I do (just to hold you in place more solid during an autoX) then it should be ok. As far as a safety item, its garbage. That hinge is such a weak point its not even funny. I am suprised it would even pass tech.
and if you say a rollover isn't likely in an autocross... then you're pretty new to the sport.
![/QUOTE]
Rollovers ARE unlikely in an autocross. Hell man if rollovers are likely at the autocrosses you go to the safety steward should be shot.
Funny how I agree with you about everything else in that post though:p CRX=you must not know anything:huh: :lol: :lol:
I for one an a VERY big proponent of using schroth type harnesses at an autocross. CG locks are great, and for the price, they are awesome, but they just dont hold you in place like a harness will. I like my upper body to be pretty much locked in. I dont see why anyone would need their upper body free to turn, I mean hell, I can turn my head just fine to see out any window I need to.
As far as running them on the street, well yeah, WEARING them on the street is just a bad, bad idea. Just because you have them installed doesnt mean you have to wear them. I wear the factory belt for street driving and just let the harnesses hang.
As far as the rollover concerns, well, IMHO, 2 inch shcroth type harnesses shouldnt be used in applications where your car is going to be tumbling around anyway. For that you should be wearing a real harness (3 inch, thicker, belts mounted at correct locations (ie not low behind you)
That harness bar may be ugly, but as far as usefullness if you are only using the harnesses as I do (just to hold you in place more solid during an autoX) then it should be ok. As far as a safety item, its garbage. That hinge is such a weak point its not even funny. I am suprised it would even pass tech.
| Driven EF8 | 05-25-2005 08:59 PM |
[QUOTE=Davenow]Rollovers ARE unlikely in an autocross. Hell man if rollovers are likely at the autocrosses you go to the safety steward should be shot.[/QUOTE]
a car with a soft suspension can roll over.
a car that is going entirely too fast with a new driver (aka, the thread author) could potentially slide far enough off course and make contact with a curb or dig into dirt (watch some guys who do open track events and slide SIDEWAYS off).
It's possible... and it's likely to occur in ANY motorsport. anytime you are tossing a car left or right, there's a possibility.
a car with a soft suspension can roll over.
a car that is going entirely too fast with a new driver (aka, the thread author) could potentially slide far enough off course and make contact with a curb or dig into dirt (watch some guys who do open track events and slide SIDEWAYS off).
It's possible... and it's likely to occur in ANY motorsport. anytime you are tossing a car left or right, there's a possibility.
| sszyma | 05-25-2005 10:08 PM |
It looks great but never attach your harness to the actual seat bolt. You never want that sharp of and angle with any harness as it could be very dangerous. Use the bolt from the back seat or go even farther back.
| spankaveli | 05-25-2005 10:33 PM |
[QUOTE=chudlo]Good job!
I know how hard it is to mod and stay "wife friendly". :lol:
That looks great.[/QUOTE]
:lol:
I know how hard it is to mod and stay "wife friendly". :lol:
That looks great.[/QUOTE]
:lol:
| IronMonkeyL255 | 05-25-2005 10:42 PM |
[QUOTE=Driven EF8]a car with a soft suspension can roll over.
a car that is going entirely too fast with a new driver (aka, the thread author) could potentially slide far enough off course and make contact with a curb or dig into dirt (watch some guys who do open track events and slide SIDEWAYS off).
It's possible... and it's likely to occur in ANY motorsport. anytime you are tossing a car left or right, there's a possibility.[/QUOTE]
Yes, it IS possible, but not LIKELY.
I have been to quite a few auto-xes, and have not once seen a roll-over. I did see, however, a Legacy hit a curb and COMPLETELY screw up the suspension.
a car that is going entirely too fast with a new driver (aka, the thread author) could potentially slide far enough off course and make contact with a curb or dig into dirt (watch some guys who do open track events and slide SIDEWAYS off).
It's possible... and it's likely to occur in ANY motorsport. anytime you are tossing a car left or right, there's a possibility.[/QUOTE]
Yes, it IS possible, but not LIKELY.
I have been to quite a few auto-xes, and have not once seen a roll-over. I did see, however, a Legacy hit a curb and COMPLETELY screw up the suspension.
| swappedGF | 05-27-2005 02:43 PM |
I give you props man. I've thought about doing the same thing, but that was only for like 5 minutes. Then it changed to paying someone else to do it. But then the money savings part kinda goes down the hole. Making a perfectly safe and stable bar is pretty much impossible with the usual household tools. Given what you were working with, not bad. If anyone thinks sparco/cusco actually produced their first harness design, you're insane. It takes many attempts and hes definitely on his way. Chill out.
And as for the shift knob - know your roots. Burt Reynolds and Bandit biotch. :banana:
Some of you should learn to spell knob before you start giving this guy ****...
And as for the shift knob - know your roots. Burt Reynolds and Bandit biotch. :banana:
Some of you should learn to spell knob before you start giving this guy ****...
| swappedGF | 05-27-2005 02:46 PM |
also check this out. They dont have any prices up, and their site has said bar listings coming soon forever, but its worth an email...
[URL=http://www.speedwaremotorsports.com/safety/]http://www.speedwaremotorsports.com/safety/[/URL]
[URL=http://www.speedwaremotorsports.com/safety/]http://www.speedwaremotorsports.com/safety/[/URL]
| erip | 05-27-2005 03:14 PM |
thought i'd mention my thoughts...
as far as the hinges i would probably mark where they sit in mounted position, pull them out and weld them solid in that position. makes a solid mount end plate.
roll over protection is obviously nil but certainly no more than the bar offered by cusco. in design both bars are extremely similar. they mount to existing seat belt mounting points and are designed with the primary intention of securing the harness, not protecting the car in the event of a roll over. while roll overs are possible at autox events i would think the scca would demand all cars participating to then carry full roll cages as they are installed with the idea of protecting a driver in the event of a roll if it was as common an occurence and real danger as most of you seem to make it out to be.
overall, the welds look very stout and as long as the penetration is good the welds should never break. a little more time could make the bar a finished project in my opinion. perhaps instead of using the hinges as the permanent end fixture use them as a template and match the shape out of steel stock. you should be able to weld everything outside the car and install the same as the cusco bar. if you were to make a second attempt you should try to mimick the cusco a little more in my opinion as they put a great deal of engineering and thought into their design.
my $.02 even though i'm sure my opinion is worth less than that.
:banana:
as far as the hinges i would probably mark where they sit in mounted position, pull them out and weld them solid in that position. makes a solid mount end plate.
roll over protection is obviously nil but certainly no more than the bar offered by cusco. in design both bars are extremely similar. they mount to existing seat belt mounting points and are designed with the primary intention of securing the harness, not protecting the car in the event of a roll over. while roll overs are possible at autox events i would think the scca would demand all cars participating to then carry full roll cages as they are installed with the idea of protecting a driver in the event of a roll if it was as common an occurence and real danger as most of you seem to make it out to be.
overall, the welds look very stout and as long as the penetration is good the welds should never break. a little more time could make the bar a finished project in my opinion. perhaps instead of using the hinges as the permanent end fixture use them as a template and match the shape out of steel stock. you should be able to weld everything outside the car and install the same as the cusco bar. if you were to make a second attempt you should try to mimick the cusco a little more in my opinion as they put a great deal of engineering and thought into their design.
my $.02 even though i'm sure my opinion is worth less than that.
:banana:
| swappedGF | 05-27-2005 03:20 PM |
Not his only experiment...
[URL]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=774244[/URL]
very innovative 2phless
[URL]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=774244[/URL]
very innovative 2phless
| MrH00nel2 | 05-27-2005 03:39 PM |
that is one ugly shift knob IMO lol
| MrH00nel2 | 05-27-2005 03:49 PM |
how much did it cost you to make and paint it...
| 2phless | 05-27-2005 07:24 PM |
[QUOTE=MrH00nel2]how much did it cost you to make and paint it...[/QUOTE]
Free. Hurst sponsored it. ;)
Parts cost might be around $75. Tools cost could have fixed the national deficit.
I might go pick up a set of tubes for a local race shop on monday and start work on a better design.
Free. Hurst sponsored it. ;)
Parts cost might be around $75. Tools cost could have fixed the national deficit.
I might go pick up a set of tubes for a local race shop on monday and start work on a better design.
| Driven EF8 | 05-31-2005 12:06 PM |
[QUOTE=IronMonkeyL255]Yes, it IS possible, but not LIKELY.
I have been to quite a few auto-xes, and have not once seen a roll-over. I did see, however, a Legacy hit a curb and COMPLETELY screw up the suspension.[/QUOTE]
ok, my fault for using "likely".
could it happen? YES.
Does it matter if it happens OFTEN or RARELY? no... cause once it happens, DEAD.
I've been to my fair share of autocrosses. I've seen three cars roll over in a span of 5-6 years of autocrossing.
Seen two cars roll over at open track events and countless videos/pictures of them happening.
You know, you should weld a big metal spike on the steering wheel facing you. I mean, accidents where air-bag deployment occurs at autocrosses are unlikely... it wouldn't be much of a concern, now would it?
I have been to quite a few auto-xes, and have not once seen a roll-over. I did see, however, a Legacy hit a curb and COMPLETELY screw up the suspension.[/QUOTE]
ok, my fault for using "likely".
could it happen? YES.
Does it matter if it happens OFTEN or RARELY? no... cause once it happens, DEAD.
I've been to my fair share of autocrosses. I've seen three cars roll over in a span of 5-6 years of autocrossing.
Seen two cars roll over at open track events and countless videos/pictures of them happening.
You know, you should weld a big metal spike on the steering wheel facing you. I mean, accidents where air-bag deployment occurs at autocrosses are unlikely... it wouldn't be much of a concern, now would it?
| steve | 05-31-2005 02:37 PM |
beaverboy doesn't like beaver, he prefers teh ****.
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