| IllNastyImpreza | 01-24-2007 05:26 PM |
Best car for rally X
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ok I want to build a car for Rally X. I have read the rules regarding the modification categories.... but they seem rather hazzy.
Can I build a "stock" 2.5rs out of an L and still compete in the stock category?
whats the cheapest way to go about racing in the stock category?
It seems that any engine swap you do puts you right in the pro modified category or whatever...but is this true if you are just swapping your car out to become basicly the EXACT same as a 2.5rs is STOCK ?
what car should I pick for a platform ?
Can I build a "stock" 2.5rs out of an L and still compete in the stock category?
whats the cheapest way to go about racing in the stock category?
It seems that any engine swap you do puts you right in the pro modified category or whatever...but is this true if you are just swapping your car out to become basicly the EXACT same as a 2.5rs is STOCK ?
what car should I pick for a platform ?
| akuhner | 01-24-2007 09:02 PM |
Have you competed in a rally-x before? If so, how much experience do you have?
If you haven't already run a season or more, just run the L as it is (if it runs!) and build it once you know exactly what you want. You'll get an idea of what classes are popular, what cars you can compete with (as in, if you are a second off WRXs on a 60 second course driving the L, you could beat them with a 2.5L), etc.
A 2.2L with no options would be an ideal platform, the lighter the better. If you want to run stock stay away from swaps.
If you haven't already run a season or more, just run the L as it is (if it runs!) and build it once you know exactly what you want. You'll get an idea of what classes are popular, what cars you can compete with (as in, if you are a second off WRXs on a 60 second course driving the L, you could beat them with a 2.5L), etc.
A 2.2L with no options would be an ideal platform, the lighter the better. If you want to run stock stay away from swaps.
| Chromer | 01-24-2007 09:57 PM |
[QUOTE=IllNastyImpreza;16796161]ok I want to build a car for Rally X. I have read the rules regarding the modification categories.... but they seem rather hazzy.[/QUOTE]
They are a lot hazy (or at least they were, I haven't looked at the 2007 changes yet), but no one is spending big money on it like Solo, so you're pretty free to do almost anything you want in the mod class.
I think a lightened to the max GC Impreza with an EZ30R and 4.44 diffs would be a killer combination in 4mod. With the right driver and tires...
For FWD, the A2 Golfs seem to do pretty damn well.
And the cheapest way to go in stock is to take your daily driver and some snow tires..
They are a lot hazy (or at least they were, I haven't looked at the 2007 changes yet), but no one is spending big money on it like Solo, so you're pretty free to do almost anything you want in the mod class.
I think a lightened to the max GC Impreza with an EZ30R and 4.44 diffs would be a killer combination in 4mod. With the right driver and tires...
For FWD, the A2 Golfs seem to do pretty damn well.
And the cheapest way to go in stock is to take your daily driver and some snow tires..
| greg donovan | 01-24-2007 10:20 PM |
take your L and put it on a diet. then put a 2.25" exhaust on it w/a cheap free flowing muffler on it so it sounds cool. that way you will always have a grin on your face no mater what the results are. do all that and get some good all season tires or get a second set of wheels w/some good snow/mud tires if you feel like swapping tires before events.
our FWD 90 L is a fun car to rallyx and my friends AWD L was even more fun.
our FWD 90 L is a fun car to rallyx and my friends AWD L was even more fun.
| Fred | 01-24-2007 11:14 PM |
No need to look any further, this is the best car for rallyx:
[url]http://www.nogumracing.com/whitney/RS_rallyx_setup.doc[/url]
Starting with an RS with that setup, or something very similar, plus removing a couple hundred pounds and adding around 25-50hp, I would guess that it would be even faster. Which would be really, really fast.
The real question is, are you the best driver to rallycross that car? :lol:
[url]http://www.nogumracing.com/whitney/RS_rallyx_setup.doc[/url]
Starting with an RS with that setup, or something very similar, plus removing a couple hundred pounds and adding around 25-50hp, I would guess that it would be even faster. Which would be really, really fast.
The real question is, are you the best driver to rallycross that car? :lol:
| IllNastyImpreza | 01-24-2007 11:52 PM |
I still don't understand how a 100% completly STOCK 2.5rs will can compete in the STOCK category....
WHILE an L with a 100% 2.5rs conversion HAS to compete in a different class due to the engine swap. What the hell is that all about ??? Its the EXACT same car !
this is my problem....I can not afford to buy a 2.5rs.... I can barely swing an L. And down the road I want up grade it to a 2.5rs EXACT same as "stock"
is there any way they would let me compete in the same category??
WHILE an L with a 100% 2.5rs conversion HAS to compete in a different class due to the engine swap. What the hell is that all about ??? Its the EXACT same car !
this is my problem....I can not afford to buy a 2.5rs.... I can barely swing an L. And down the road I want up grade it to a 2.5rs EXACT same as "stock"
is there any way they would let me compete in the same category??
| cowapult | 01-25-2007 04:57 AM |
Well, if you had a car that was EXACTLY like a 2.5RS, then you would rightly be pointing out the fact that rules are sometimes unfair.
But you shouldn't stress. Here are some reasons (most of which are beat to death in every thread about this topic):
a) your car is the least of your problems. Cliche: Worry about the nut behind the wheel.
b) a 2.2 will do ok. Upgrades won't help you that much. In Fred's region, a guy with 2.2 in a legacy (much heavier than you) and an automatic places in the top 3. 2.2L Imprezas have placed #1 in my region out of 60 cars.
c) Even if you do the conversion, running a stock 2.5 in mod class is ALSO fine... because upgrades don't help your competitors that much either. Stock 2.5s have won overall (beaten modded cars) in most regions I've been to.
d) You are not actually going to make your car "exactly" like an RS (it would cost somewhere in the neighborhood of what an RS costs anyway, and it would add a lot of pointless weight and luxery options). Instead, you'll replace the engine and maybe a couple other key things, and end up with a lightweight frakenpreza (even if you meant it to be identical, it will be different and probably better). So, even if I was wrong and car setup issues are actually something to worry about, STILL the rules are putting you in the proper place.
But you shouldn't stress. Here are some reasons (most of which are beat to death in every thread about this topic):
a) your car is the least of your problems. Cliche: Worry about the nut behind the wheel.
b) a 2.2 will do ok. Upgrades won't help you that much. In Fred's region, a guy with 2.2 in a legacy (much heavier than you) and an automatic places in the top 3. 2.2L Imprezas have placed #1 in my region out of 60 cars.
c) Even if you do the conversion, running a stock 2.5 in mod class is ALSO fine... because upgrades don't help your competitors that much either. Stock 2.5s have won overall (beaten modded cars) in most regions I've been to.
d) You are not actually going to make your car "exactly" like an RS (it would cost somewhere in the neighborhood of what an RS costs anyway, and it would add a lot of pointless weight and luxery options). Instead, you'll replace the engine and maybe a couple other key things, and end up with a lightweight frakenpreza (even if you meant it to be identical, it will be different and probably better). So, even if I was wrong and car setup issues are actually something to worry about, STILL the rules are putting you in the proper place.
| mhoerath | 01-25-2007 07:22 AM |
Rallyx Car Mods
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Hey all. Could not resist a post. #1 hint is to bring it, drive it, talk with other driver's, experiment with your set-up, then bring it, drive it... Here's my (what's worked for me & car) list of RallyX mods learned from going on 4 yrs of progressive success:
2) Driver software (agree with Sam).
3) Mud & Snow Tires (available in many sizes, only $70-80 per)
4) Rally tires (after debeading M&S one too many times), requires 15" rims and for my wife a major investment of $1000.
5) Select suspension mods according to car & driving style
6) Maybe power mods, according to car/driving style.
What car or what class? Any car can be competitive, mostly depends on hints above. And here's an inflamatory opinion: car classes are beside the point, main point is to have fun and be competitive if you want.
And in case you haven't seen here's our 2007 dcrally events:
Event 1 �Smackdown 2� March 4, raindate March 11
Driver School March 18, raindate March 25
Event 2 �Mud Sling� April 22, raindate April 29
Washington DC RallyCross Challenge June 17, raindate June 24
�Flyin� in the Field�
An SCCA Northeast Division and Eastern States Championship Event
Event 4 �Cursin n Reversin� Sept 9, raindate Sept 16
Event 5 �Dirt Blast 1� Oct 7, raindate Oct 14
Event 6 �name tbd� Nov 4, raindate Nov 11.
Cheers.
2) Driver software (agree with Sam).
3) Mud & Snow Tires (available in many sizes, only $70-80 per)
4) Rally tires (after debeading M&S one too many times), requires 15" rims and for my wife a major investment of $1000.
5) Select suspension mods according to car & driving style
6) Maybe power mods, according to car/driving style.
What car or what class? Any car can be competitive, mostly depends on hints above. And here's an inflamatory opinion: car classes are beside the point, main point is to have fun and be competitive if you want.
And in case you haven't seen here's our 2007 dcrally events:
Event 1 �Smackdown 2� March 4, raindate March 11
Driver School March 18, raindate March 25
Event 2 �Mud Sling� April 22, raindate April 29
Washington DC RallyCross Challenge June 17, raindate June 24
�Flyin� in the Field�
An SCCA Northeast Division and Eastern States Championship Event
Event 4 �Cursin n Reversin� Sept 9, raindate Sept 16
Event 5 �Dirt Blast 1� Oct 7, raindate Oct 14
Event 6 �name tbd� Nov 4, raindate Nov 11.
Cheers.
| mhoerath | 01-25-2007 07:22 AM |
Rallyx Car Mods
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Hey all. Could not resist a post. #1 hint is to bring it, drive it, talk with other driver's, experiment with your set-up, then bring it, drive it... Here's my (what's worked for me & car) list of RallyX mods learned from going on 4 yrs of progressive success:
2) Driver software (agree with Sam).
3) Mud & Snow Tires (available in many sizes, only $70-80 per)
4) Rally tires (after debeading M&S one too many times), requires 15" rims and for my wife a major investment of $1000.
5) Select suspension mods according to car & driving style
6) Maybe power mods, according to car/driving style.
What car or what class? Any car can be competitive, mostly depends on hints above. And here's an inflamatory opinion: car classes are beside the point, main point is to have fun and be competitive if you want.
And in case you haven't seen here's our 2007 dcrally events:
Event 1 �Smackdown 2� March 4, raindate March 11
Driver School March 18, raindate March 25
Event 2 �Mud Sling� April 22, raindate April 29
Washington DC RallyCross Challenge June 17, raindate June 24
�Flyin� in the Field�
An SCCA Northeast Division and Eastern States Championship Event
Event 4 �Cursin n Reversin� Sept 9, raindate Sept 16
Event 5 �Dirt Blast 1� Oct 7, raindate Oct 14
Event 6 �name tbd� Nov 4, raindate Nov 11.
Cheers.
2) Driver software (agree with Sam).
3) Mud & Snow Tires (available in many sizes, only $70-80 per)
4) Rally tires (after debeading M&S one too many times), requires 15" rims and for my wife a major investment of $1000.
5) Select suspension mods according to car & driving style
6) Maybe power mods, according to car/driving style.
What car or what class? Any car can be competitive, mostly depends on hints above. And here's an inflamatory opinion: car classes are beside the point, main point is to have fun and be competitive if you want.
And in case you haven't seen here's our 2007 dcrally events:
Event 1 �Smackdown 2� March 4, raindate March 11
Driver School March 18, raindate March 25
Event 2 �Mud Sling� April 22, raindate April 29
Washington DC RallyCross Challenge June 17, raindate June 24
�Flyin� in the Field�
An SCCA Northeast Division and Eastern States Championship Event
Event 4 �Cursin n Reversin� Sept 9, raindate Sept 16
Event 5 �Dirt Blast 1� Oct 7, raindate Oct 14
Event 6 �name tbd� Nov 4, raindate Nov 11.
Cheers.
| fasteddie | 01-25-2007 08:24 AM |
Find a cheap beater. You will worry less and have more fun beating on a car you don't care much about. Go to events. Learn what works and what doesn't. It's more about learning how to drive the course and less the perfect set-up. And why put a lot of work into something that is going to driven hard in fields and sandpits and such things.
Ted Mendham
Ted Mendham
| Storz | 01-25-2007 09:03 AM |
Just got have fun, thats what its all about :)
| greg donovan | 01-25-2007 10:59 AM |
[QUOTE=fasteddie;16802629]Find a cheap beater. You will worry less and have more fun beating on a car you don't care much about. Go to events. Learn what works and what doesn't. It's more about learning how to drive the course and less the perfect set-up. And why put a lot of work into something that is going to driven hard in fields and sandpits and such things.
Ted Mendham[/QUOTE]
the other key to being fast in rallycross is total disregard for the safety of the vehicle. if you want to win at rallycross (especially against "superior" cars) mechanical sympathy should not be in your vocabulary.
i also second the beater vote.
get an old VW golf or maybe a Sentra.
or even better yet get an old justy and gut the interior.
Ted Mendham[/QUOTE]
the other key to being fast in rallycross is total disregard for the safety of the vehicle. if you want to win at rallycross (especially against "superior" cars) mechanical sympathy should not be in your vocabulary.
i also second the beater vote.
get an old VW golf or maybe a Sentra.
or even better yet get an old justy and gut the interior.
| IllNastyImpreza | 01-25-2007 02:41 PM |
haha ok. Seems the population has spoke. I guess I'll go look for an old L coupe and gut the crap out of it. I've always driven sticks....but would an automatic have any advantages for rallyx ?
| Fred | 01-25-2007 04:36 PM |
[QUOTE]the other key to being fast in rallycross is total disregard for the safety of the vehicle. if you want to win at rallycross (especially against "superior" cars) mechanical sympathy should not be in your vocabulary.
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Where you live, maybe - at every event I've been to (well, except the sandpits of Rockingham - and we're never going back there), that statement is totally false. We don't have huge rocks or other hazards that shouldn't be anywhere near a rallyx course, though.
The key to winning where there aren't insanely hazardous courses is to drive smoothly and intelligently. Nothing unsafe for the car about that, which is something that every Subaru I've ever owned can attest to.
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Where you live, maybe - at every event I've been to (well, except the sandpits of Rockingham - and we're never going back there), that statement is totally false. We don't have huge rocks or other hazards that shouldn't be anywhere near a rallyx course, though.
The key to winning where there aren't insanely hazardous courses is to drive smoothly and intelligently. Nothing unsafe for the car about that, which is something that every Subaru I've ever owned can attest to.
| fasteddie | 01-25-2007 04:42 PM |
Something with a stick is probably better.
Just my $0.02.
Ted
Just my $0.02.
Ted
| IllNastyImpreza | 01-25-2007 04:51 PM |
I forgot...does the car have to have a valid inspection sticker or whatnot?
| Chromer | 01-25-2007 06:29 PM |
[QUOTE=IllNastyImpreza;16807824]haha ok. Seems the population has spoke. I guess I'll go look for an old L coupe and gut the crap out of it. I've always driven sticks....but would an automatic have any advantages for rallyx ?[/QUOTE]
In 2nd gear the 4EAT locks the center differential's transfer clutch which helps in getting you pointed where you want to go, and left foot braking is dead easy when you're not worrying about shifting gears...
Advantage? Probably not. But it isn't a hindrance, either, IMO.
No sticker or reg required, it just needs to be "mechanically sound."
In 2nd gear the 4EAT locks the center differential's transfer clutch which helps in getting you pointed where you want to go, and left foot braking is dead easy when you're not worrying about shifting gears...
Advantage? Probably not. But it isn't a hindrance, either, IMO.
No sticker or reg required, it just needs to be "mechanically sound."
| greg donovan | 01-25-2007 06:33 PM |
[QUOTE=Fred;16809672]Where you live, maybe - at every event I've been to (well, except the sandpits of Rockingham - and we're never going back there), that statement is totally false. We don't have huge rocks or other hazards that shouldn't be anywhere near a rallyx course, though.
The key to winning where there aren't insanely hazardous courses is to drive smoothly and intelligently. Nothing unsafe for the car about that, which is something that every Subaru I've ever owned can attest to.[/QUOTE]
i guess i should have been more clear. dont be afraid to hit the revlimiter and dont be afraid to shift hard from 3rd to second if the need should arise.
our events are very smooth and very safe here in MN.
this style of driving is more effective in a FWD car.
but yes i agree for the most part that smooth lines make for faster times. also less wheelspin is better than more.
lugging in second is faster than over revving and spinning the tires out of the corner in first. it may not feel like it at the time the clock dont lie.
when we started trailering the rallycross car to events we started to get a bit faster as we didnt have to worry about the car having to get us home.
The key to winning where there aren't insanely hazardous courses is to drive smoothly and intelligently. Nothing unsafe for the car about that, which is something that every Subaru I've ever owned can attest to.[/QUOTE]
i guess i should have been more clear. dont be afraid to hit the revlimiter and dont be afraid to shift hard from 3rd to second if the need should arise.
our events are very smooth and very safe here in MN.
this style of driving is more effective in a FWD car.
but yes i agree for the most part that smooth lines make for faster times. also less wheelspin is better than more.
lugging in second is faster than over revving and spinning the tires out of the corner in first. it may not feel like it at the time the clock dont lie.
when we started trailering the rallycross car to events we started to get a bit faster as we didnt have to worry about the car having to get us home.
| akuhner | 01-25-2007 07:52 PM |
[QUOTE=IllNastyImpreza;16809916]I forgot...does the car have to have a valid inspection sticker or whatnot?[/QUOTE]
Nope. :) But then, how would you get there? You have a trailer?
Don't gut it, just get one with no options. Gutting it puts it out of stock as well.
Nope. :) But then, how would you get there? You have a trailer?
Don't gut it, just get one with no options. Gutting it puts it out of stock as well.
| Shag-e | 01-25-2007 08:07 PM |
Patience has finally paid off... I just picked up a 1997 Impreza Brighton for $600.
Mechanically there are a few issues (oil pump leak and leaking half shafts) but this is what I think is one of the best RallyX cars, cheap, light (2600), AWD, and 5 Spd......
I had the exact same car about 4 years ago and dominated the RallyX track because I knew how to drive and I didn't give a damn about the car.
Can't wait till the first snow event up here!!!
Mechanically there are a few issues (oil pump leak and leaking half shafts) but this is what I think is one of the best RallyX cars, cheap, light (2600), AWD, and 5 Spd......
I had the exact same car about 4 years ago and dominated the RallyX track because I knew how to drive and I didn't give a damn about the car.
Can't wait till the first snow event up here!!!
| Storz | 01-25-2007 08:58 PM |
^^ Awesome post up some pics!
| solo2wrx | 01-25-2007 10:28 PM |
I rallycross a 1993 Legacy 2.2 with a 5 speed against Fred and numerous others on this forum. The 2.2 is a great workhorse of an engine. My first rallycross car was my daily driver at the time and it was a 2005 WRX, after a few events I began searching for a beater and since I had access to a truck and trailer, I can tow it to and from events without a worry of it breaking.
My first beater was a 1990 Legacy 2.2 with 4EAT, there was always 2 or three of us driving that car, it cost $300 and lasted about 6 events before the tranny started acting up and the flex plate broke at 265,000 miles. I then found my current 93 Legacy for $700 and it is a great car. I took it to 2nd out of 8 at the rallycross National Challenge in Virginia back in July in the Rally Prepared class with nothing done to it but a set of rally tires and a cat-back exhaust. That means I was running the event on 200,000 mile shocks and springs.
I guess what I am saying is get what you can afford, don't worry about what class you run in and just have fun and improve your driving. I know that was the wordy way of saying it but it kind of explains how I got started and how you should look at getting into rallyx.
My first beater was a 1990 Legacy 2.2 with 4EAT, there was always 2 or three of us driving that car, it cost $300 and lasted about 6 events before the tranny started acting up and the flex plate broke at 265,000 miles. I then found my current 93 Legacy for $700 and it is a great car. I took it to 2nd out of 8 at the rallycross National Challenge in Virginia back in July in the Rally Prepared class with nothing done to it but a set of rally tires and a cat-back exhaust. That means I was running the event on 200,000 mile shocks and springs.
I guess what I am saying is get what you can afford, don't worry about what class you run in and just have fun and improve your driving. I know that was the wordy way of saying it but it kind of explains how I got started and how you should look at getting into rallyx.
| fliz | 01-25-2007 10:41 PM |
[QUOTE=Storz;16802898]Just got have fun, thats what its all about :)[/QUOTE]
Agreed. The best rallyx car is whatever is in your garage.
Although it is nice to not have to worry about driving it home or to work on Monday morning.
Agreed. The best rallyx car is whatever is in your garage.
Although it is nice to not have to worry about driving it home or to work on Monday morning.
| Shag-e | 02-19-2007 09:26 AM |
[QUOTE=Storz;16812874]^^ Awesome post up some pics![/QUOTE]
RallyCrossed this past weekend.
[url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/marnie/sets/72157594541751815/[/url]
Mine is the blue brighton #3 ($600) and I found the green brighton #5 ($200) for a friend. Had a great time.
Hopefully will have video soon
RallyCrossed this past weekend.
[url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/marnie/sets/72157594541751815/[/url]
Mine is the blue brighton #3 ($600) and I found the green brighton #5 ($200) for a friend. Had a great time.
Hopefully will have video soon
| ZUKIRU | 02-19-2007 02:20 PM |
[quote=fliz;16813974]Agreed. The best rallyx car is whatever is in your garage.
Although it is nice to not have to worry about driving it home or to work on Monday morning.[/quote]
If I could convince the fiance of that I'd just take the aerio.. I was lucky to get to auto-x it..
Although it is nice to not have to worry about driving it home or to work on Monday morning.[/quote]
If I could convince the fiance of that I'd just take the aerio.. I was lucky to get to auto-x it..
| Fred | 02-19-2007 03:59 PM |
Guy in a Suzuki Aerio beat a lot of people (including an STi driver) at one of our events. Here...
[url]http://www.thscc.com/rallycross/events/2005/2005-0709overall.html[/url]
(that's me [I]and the wife [/I]at the top :D )
[url]http://www.thscc.com/rallycross/events/2005/2005-0709overall.html[/url]
(that's me [I]and the wife [/I]at the top :D )
| Chromer | 02-19-2007 04:26 PM |
[QUOTE=ZUKIRU;17104806]If I could convince the fiance of that I'd just take the aerio.. I was lucky to get to auto-x it..[/QUOTE]
In that case, the second-best car to rallycross is a rental. Cover the Hertz sticker and plates when you arrive in case someone is taking & posting pictures...
In that case, the second-best car to rallycross is a rental. Cover the Hertz sticker and plates when you arrive in case someone is taking & posting pictures...
| ROC pit-bull | 02-21-2007 04:19 AM |
I'm not trying to be the jerk here. But I think shag-e statement is a bit exaggerated when he says he dominated !! ??
[url]http://www.flr-scca.com/rally/2004/rallycross/event2.pdf[/url]
[url]http://www.flr-scca.com/rally/2004/rallycross/event2.pdf[/url]
| KC | 02-21-2007 08:02 AM |
I wonder... would a 1.8L FWD Impreza (circa 1993), which has a curb weight 230lbs less than the AWD version be a good car for the 2wd class? Curb weight is 2350 (AWD is 2580) and has the same tq/hp as the AWD model... with less drivetrain loss.
I would think that in 2wheel modified, you can easily get the car at or below 2100 lbs....
Anyone ever consider one of these?
-kC
I would think that in 2wheel modified, you can easily get the car at or below 2100 lbs....
Anyone ever consider one of these?
-kC
| Fred | 02-21-2007 09:24 AM |
Should do ok as long as it has a good driver. I think some chick out west used to rallyx one of those with halfway decent results. :lol: ;)
| Orion | 02-21-2007 09:29 AM |
[quote=KC;17125799]I wonder... would a 1.8L FWD Impreza (circa 1993), which has a curb weight 230lbs less than the AWD version be a good car for the 2wd class? Curb weight is 2350 (AWD is 2580) and has the same tq/hp as the AWD model... with less drivetrain loss.
I would think that in 2wheel modified, you can easily get the car at or below 2100 lbs....
Anyone ever consider one of these?
-kC[/quote]
Absolutely. I won't reveal my secret plan to destroy M2 or M4 (home of the Open Class Stage Rally car) but it's coming...:devil:
For the time being though, there will be another GC RS prepped a little beyond Fred's car and the plan is to head to Hastings in Oct with it. It might be mildly sorted by then if I can make it to enough events.
I would think that in 2wheel modified, you can easily get the car at or below 2100 lbs....
Anyone ever consider one of these?
-kC[/quote]
Absolutely. I won't reveal my secret plan to destroy M2 or M4 (home of the Open Class Stage Rally car) but it's coming...:devil:
For the time being though, there will be another GC RS prepped a little beyond Fred's car and the plan is to head to Hastings in Oct with it. It might be mildly sorted by then if I can make it to enough events.
| fliz | 02-21-2007 11:03 AM |
[QUOTE=KC;17125799]I wonder... would a 1.8L FWD Impreza (circa 1993), which has a curb weight 230lbs less than the AWD version be a good car for the 2wd class? Curb weight is 2350 (AWD is 2580) and has the same tq/hp as the AWD model... with less drivetrain loss.
I would think that in 2wheel modified, you can easily get the car at or below 2100 lbs....
Anyone ever consider one of these?
-kC[/QUOTE]
I think the problem with the FWD Impreza is that it doesn't compare well with other FWD platforms.
The weight is similar, but it's down 10-30HP on an early nineties Civic SI, VW GTI, or Sentra SE-R
Also, it still has the engine stuck out in front of the wheels, which hurts weight balance.
On the plus side, it's pretty easy to upgrade to AWD if you want (although probably cheaper to start with an AWD chassis).
I would think that in 2wheel modified, you can easily get the car at or below 2100 lbs....
Anyone ever consider one of these?
-kC[/QUOTE]
I think the problem with the FWD Impreza is that it doesn't compare well with other FWD platforms.
The weight is similar, but it's down 10-30HP on an early nineties Civic SI, VW GTI, or Sentra SE-R
Also, it still has the engine stuck out in front of the wheels, which hurts weight balance.
On the plus side, it's pretty easy to upgrade to AWD if you want (although probably cheaper to start with an AWD chassis).
| Fred | 02-21-2007 12:00 PM |
I keep thinking about dropping some weight off my RS, adding power, LSD's, etc. but it's such a nice daily driver, and I haven't had any incentive to do any of that yet. Meaning, it's never lost and I've never felt like I've driven it to the limits of its current abilities. (close a few times, but not quite - and I've really stunk up the course a few times, too)
The car could definitely be faster, though.
The car could definitely be faster, though.
| ZUKIRU | 02-21-2007 01:06 PM |
[quote=Fred;17105966]Guy in a Suzuki Aerio beat a lot of people (including an STi driver) at one of our events. Here...
[URL]http://www.thscc.com/rallycross/events/2005/2005-0709overall.html[/URL]
(that's me [I]and the wife [/I]at the top :D )[/quote]
ah yes.. but that one is AWD... I wish ours was awd...
I also agree that if your getting a FF rally car the impreza is not the best route.. I'd rather have another Escort than a ff imp...
I thought about a rental but one again the foot was put down.. I love her but she is evil sometimes, lol...
[URL]http://www.thscc.com/rallycross/events/2005/2005-0709overall.html[/URL]
(that's me [I]and the wife [/I]at the top :D )[/quote]
ah yes.. but that one is AWD... I wish ours was awd...
I also agree that if your getting a FF rally car the impreza is not the best route.. I'd rather have another Escort than a ff imp...
I thought about a rental but one again the foot was put down.. I love her but she is evil sometimes, lol...
| Fred | 02-21-2007 01:55 PM |
I'd love to try a Type ARRR out for some rallyx. I bet that would be pretty fun & fast.
| STiShawn | 02-21-2007 04:05 PM |
fwiw I built an Audi 4000 quattro into a rallycross monster...love it and "may" sell it for a group 2 car after next season
| ZUKIRU | 02-21-2007 04:58 PM |
pics??
| Chromer | 02-21-2007 06:49 PM |
[QUOTE=ZUKIRU;17129121]I also agree that if your getting a FF rally car the impreza is not the best route.. I'd rather have another Escort than a ff imp...[/QUOTE]
<- The Escorts are useless. Light and tail happy, but useless.
Now, weld-up the diff, put some suspension and tires on it, and drop in a 1.6 or 1.8 turbo from Mazda and it could be a completely different story, but stock, faghedaboudit.
<- The Escorts are useless. Light and tail happy, but useless.
Now, weld-up the diff, put some suspension and tires on it, and drop in a 1.6 or 1.8 turbo from Mazda and it could be a completely different story, but stock, faghedaboudit.
| greg donovan | 02-22-2007 11:20 AM |
[QUOTE=KC;17125799]I wonder... would a 1.8L FWD Impreza (circa 1993), which has a curb weight 230lbs less than the AWD version be a good car for the 2wd class? Curb weight is 2350 (AWD is 2580) and has the same tq/hp as the AWD model... with less drivetrain loss.
I would think that in 2wheel modified, you can easily get the car at or below 2100 lbs....
Anyone ever consider one of these?
-kC[/QUOTE]
i think it would be very good.
cant you swap motors in 2wd mod? a ej25 would be very good in that car. but i think you would really want to find a front LSD.
my brother and i held our own pretty well in our old 91 FWD legacy. usually top of the class and in the top 7 OA w/a field of 25-30. the shorter and lighter impreza with better final drive and a front LSD would be very good 2wd car for rallyx.
I would think that in 2wheel modified, you can easily get the car at or below 2100 lbs....
Anyone ever consider one of these?
-kC[/QUOTE]
i think it would be very good.
cant you swap motors in 2wd mod? a ej25 would be very good in that car. but i think you would really want to find a front LSD.
my brother and i held our own pretty well in our old 91 FWD legacy. usually top of the class and in the top 7 OA w/a field of 25-30. the shorter and lighter impreza with better final drive and a front LSD would be very good 2wd car for rallyx.
| DrBiggly | 02-22-2007 09:07 PM |
[QUOTE=Fred;16800431]No need to look any further, this is the best car for rallyx:
[url]http://www.nogumracing.com/whitney/RS_rallyx_setup.doc[/url]
Starting with an RS with that setup, or something very similar, plus removing a couple hundred pounds and adding around 25-50hp, I would guess that it would be even faster. Which would be really, really fast.
The real question is, are you the best driver to rallycross that car? :lol:[/QUOTE]
Holy crap Kevin, I knew you were fast but that's just nuts man. Nobody's even close. :lol: Good job! :)
-Biggly
[url]http://www.nogumracing.com/whitney/RS_rallyx_setup.doc[/url]
Starting with an RS with that setup, or something very similar, plus removing a couple hundred pounds and adding around 25-50hp, I would guess that it would be even faster. Which would be really, really fast.
The real question is, are you the best driver to rallycross that car? :lol:[/QUOTE]
Holy crap Kevin, I knew you were fast but that's just nuts man. Nobody's even close. :lol: Good job! :)
-Biggly
| IllNastyImpreza | 02-23-2007 12:32 AM |
[url]http://www.nogumracing.com/whitney/RS_rallyx_setup.doc[/url]
is that still stock category ?
is that still stock category ?
| fliz | 02-23-2007 09:57 AM |
[QUOTE=IllNastyImpreza;17150793][url]http://www.nogumracing.com/whitney/RS_rallyx_setup.doc[/url]
is that still stock category ?[/QUOTE]
No, I believe that falls into mod.
It's got suspension, engine, and brake mods.
is that still stock category ?[/QUOTE]
No, I believe that falls into mod.
It's got suspension, engine, and brake mods.
| Fred | 02-23-2007 11:12 AM |
It would be prepared, except for the ALK, which sends it to modified. Now that it's been semi-retired, the ALK is on the WRX. So the RS is legal for prepared. But if I run it, I'd rather run it in the highest class to make people wonder what kind of crazy mods have been done to make it so fast. :lol:
I'm really liking the 07 WRX struts with 04 STi springs on the RS now, btw.
I'm really liking the 07 WRX struts with 04 STi springs on the RS now, btw.
| IllNastyImpreza | 02-23-2007 11:24 AM |
Which group do you think runs the fastest times on average?
I would love to build my car just to compete in a certain class...I'm basicly a newb @ organized racing....but I consider myself pretty good @ grand turismo lol
I would love to build my car just to compete in a certain class...I'm basicly a newb @ organized racing....but I consider myself pretty good @ grand turismo lol
| Orion | 02-23-2007 01:35 PM |
[quote=IllNastyImpreza;17153741]Which group do you think runs the fastest times on average?
I would love to build my car just to compete in a certain class...I'm basicly a newb @ organized racing....but I consider myself pretty good @ grand turismo lol[/quote]
That all depends on the location, conditions, and if there's a need to sne out the water truck.;)
Since RallyCross has an ever changing surface that question can never be answered the same time twice. AWD has it's advantages but I've been to enough events to see Stock FWD lay waste running second as the AWD cars had a mudbog to drive through in the first heat...
I would love to build my car just to compete in a certain class...I'm basicly a newb @ organized racing....but I consider myself pretty good @ grand turismo lol[/quote]
That all depends on the location, conditions, and if there's a need to sne out the water truck.;)
Since RallyCross has an ever changing surface that question can never be answered the same time twice. AWD has it's advantages but I've been to enough events to see Stock FWD lay waste running second as the AWD cars had a mudbog to drive through in the first heat...
| Fred | 02-23-2007 02:19 PM |
[QUOTE]Which group do you think runs the fastest times on average?
I would love to build my car just to compete in a certain class...I'm basicly a newb @ organized racing....but I consider myself pretty good @ grand turismo lol[/QUOTE]
The group with the most talent is usually the fastest, unless all the groups are equally talented. Then, it would be the group with the most 2.5RSes in it, unless the course is a bunch of long straights linked together with handbrake turns. Then it would be the group with the most STi's in it. But not by much. :lol: And so on...
There are all kinds of other factors, such as whether the course gets faster or slower during the course of the heats, for whom (what tires, etc.), and who's running when it's the fastest. At Oakland Acres in VA, the course gets swept by the first run group, which [I]should[/I] be the slowest - you should be running rally tires during "course sweeping." Then, as the day progresses, it gets a lot like tarmac in a lot of places, but still dirt in other places. So by the end of the day, tarmac tires are as fast as rally tires on average, unless you screw up and get into the deep dirt on the outside of the turns. And after the course has been swept a lot, the rally tires start to chunk on the "tarmac" spots. Very cool, interesting and exciting place to run. :)
Basically, what the people who know what they're talking about here are saying is...
YOU DON'T HAVE TO "BUILD" YOUR CAR FOR RALLYX. JUST LEARN HOW TO DRIVE IT BETTER THAN EVERYBODY ELSE DRIVES THEIRS.
I would love to build my car just to compete in a certain class...I'm basicly a newb @ organized racing....but I consider myself pretty good @ grand turismo lol[/QUOTE]
The group with the most talent is usually the fastest, unless all the groups are equally talented. Then, it would be the group with the most 2.5RSes in it, unless the course is a bunch of long straights linked together with handbrake turns. Then it would be the group with the most STi's in it. But not by much. :lol: And so on...
There are all kinds of other factors, such as whether the course gets faster or slower during the course of the heats, for whom (what tires, etc.), and who's running when it's the fastest. At Oakland Acres in VA, the course gets swept by the first run group, which [I]should[/I] be the slowest - you should be running rally tires during "course sweeping." Then, as the day progresses, it gets a lot like tarmac in a lot of places, but still dirt in other places. So by the end of the day, tarmac tires are as fast as rally tires on average, unless you screw up and get into the deep dirt on the outside of the turns. And after the course has been swept a lot, the rally tires start to chunk on the "tarmac" spots. Very cool, interesting and exciting place to run. :)
Basically, what the people who know what they're talking about here are saying is...
YOU DON'T HAVE TO "BUILD" YOUR CAR FOR RALLYX. JUST LEARN HOW TO DRIVE IT BETTER THAN EVERYBODY ELSE DRIVES THEIRS.
| Shag-e | 02-23-2007 03:57 PM |
You succeeded...!
This link you posted is when I had my 2nd WRX and at that event I literally ripped the tread off the snow tire and could not finish.. notice the 3.00 time penalty at the end. Nice job on that!
For last weeks event, I had the car for a week and the best I could do was the middle out of 11.. again, not bad for having it for a week.
The real story is that I had a blast and was probably the most fun I ever had at a RallyX
Come on out for a summer event and I'll show you domination! If that 1.8L doesn't blow up by then :P
[QUOTE=ROC pit-bull;17125397]I'm not trying to be the jerk here. But I think shag-e statement is a bit exaggerated when he says he dominated !! ??
[url]http://www.flr-scca.com/rally/2004/rallycross/event2.pdf[/url][/QUOTE]
This link you posted is when I had my 2nd WRX and at that event I literally ripped the tread off the snow tire and could not finish.. notice the 3.00 time penalty at the end. Nice job on that!
For last weeks event, I had the car for a week and the best I could do was the middle out of 11.. again, not bad for having it for a week.
The real story is that I had a blast and was probably the most fun I ever had at a RallyX
Come on out for a summer event and I'll show you domination! If that 1.8L doesn't blow up by then :P
[QUOTE=ROC pit-bull;17125397]I'm not trying to be the jerk here. But I think shag-e statement is a bit exaggerated when he says he dominated !! ??
[url]http://www.flr-scca.com/rally/2004/rallycross/event2.pdf[/url][/QUOTE]
| ROC pit-bull | 02-24-2007 01:47 AM |
LOL, I just had to look through the arcieves on that one to see. I will say that you do well. :)
If my car decides it doesn't need to have parts replaced, I'll be there.
maybe a wager? a case of wine from me for a ?????
If my car decides it doesn't need to have parts replaced, I'll be there.
maybe a wager? a case of wine from me for a ?????
| jr4jc | 03-14-2007 11:32 AM |
just noticed this thread and figured i'd add my .02
i started rallycrossing in a '86 subaru 3 door hatchback, 1.8 turbo with
fwd/4wd-lo/4wd-hi --5 speed. what a blast not especially competitive but a great place to start--still have that car needs a clutch and the wife and 20yr old son may start rallycrossing in it. i now have a 2005 sti which is great for rallycross except for the weight and the not being able to put rally tires on it.
therefore the wrx tr is a good choice and the rs's of course and somebody made a reference to gran-turismo which i think helps you learn that to fast is really slow. and to turn early and steer with brakes as well as gas pedal--as well as that whell in front of you --but nothing replaces getting out there and getting experience.
i started rallycrossing in a '86 subaru 3 door hatchback, 1.8 turbo with
fwd/4wd-lo/4wd-hi --5 speed. what a blast not especially competitive but a great place to start--still have that car needs a clutch and the wife and 20yr old son may start rallycrossing in it. i now have a 2005 sti which is great for rallycross except for the weight and the not being able to put rally tires on it.
therefore the wrx tr is a good choice and the rs's of course and somebody made a reference to gran-turismo which i think helps you learn that to fast is really slow. and to turn early and steer with brakes as well as gas pedal--as well as that whell in front of you --but nothing replaces getting out there and getting experience.
| Fred | 03-14-2007 11:45 AM |
[QUOTE]therefore the wrx tr is a good choice and the rs's of course [/QUOTE]
WRX 2.5L is not as good as I thought it might be. It is sortof like combining an STi with a 2.5RS - but it's a combination of the [I]bad[/I] things from each car. Weight of STi, drivetrain of RS. :rolleyes:
For any course with short straights, the RS is it. You'd have to drop a few hundred pounds off an STi and have a really fast course for it to be the better car. (it would be more fun, though :lol: ) 2.5L WRX need not apply regardless of course - but it is pretty damn fun, too.
WRX 2.5L is not as good as I thought it might be. It is sortof like combining an STi with a 2.5RS - but it's a combination of the [I]bad[/I] things from each car. Weight of STi, drivetrain of RS. :rolleyes:
For any course with short straights, the RS is it. You'd have to drop a few hundred pounds off an STi and have a really fast course for it to be the better car. (it would be more fun, though :lol: ) 2.5L WRX need not apply regardless of course - but it is pretty damn fun, too.
| STiShawn | 03-14-2007 06:06 PM |
[QUOTE=ZUKIRU;17132484]pics??[/QUOTE]
whoops just saw this. We also just rant the car as 00 at the 100 ACre Woods Rally and Trespassers Wil Rally.
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v337/drgnrcr101/Audi/Marlas_First_Rally/shawncar0s1.jpg[/IMG]
and as the piucs shows 0 for part of TPW
whoops just saw this. We also just rant the car as 00 at the 100 ACre Woods Rally and Trespassers Wil Rally.
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v337/drgnrcr101/Audi/Marlas_First_Rally/shawncar0s1.jpg[/IMG]
and as the piucs shows 0 for part of TPW
| STiShawn | 03-14-2007 06:09 PM |
[url]http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2297291[/url]
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