| Anti-Mod | 04-26-2006 06:26 PM |
Bridgestone Potenza RE-01R vs. Yoko Advan Neova AD07s for STX
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Getting ready to purchase my summer/STX tires. I'm looking at the RE-01Rs and the Advan Neova AD-7s. Both are fairly new tires and I'm having trouble deciding. What do you guys think? :D
| tuskenraider | 04-26-2006 06:39 PM |
I nominate you "Guinea Pig" and vote RE-01R!
| Anti-Mod | 04-26-2006 06:42 PM |
Thanks, unfortunately I can only afford one set. For now I'm thinking the RE-01s but if someone wants to buy me the advans I can do a good comparison. :lol: The only downside (on paper of course) that I can see to the RE-01s is that they are a bit heavier. I'll be running 225/45-17s on 17X7.5 Wedsports.
| cyrexpl | 04-26-2006 06:49 PM |
I'll be the guinea pig if you guys buy me both sets I promise to do a comprehensive comparison of the two :D.
I'm really interested in this thread as I face the same dilemma as the OP so all you tire gurus and experts feel free to chime in.
I'm really interested in this thread as I face the same dilemma as the OP so all you tire gurus and experts feel free to chime in.
| Anti-Mod | 04-26-2006 06:51 PM |
I knew I couldn't be the only one. I really liked the Azenis 215s I ran last year but want to try something other than the 615s. I thought about the Hankooks briefly but really don't want to try them.
| cyrexpl | 04-26-2006 06:56 PM |
Yeah you are definitely NOT the only one. If I had the cash and two sets of nice rims I would buy them both just to compare, but sadly I will have to settle on one.
| Anti-Mod | 04-26-2006 07:02 PM |
^^Yep, too bad we arent in the same area. I could get one, you could get the other and we could swap from race to race. :lol:
| Golfa | 04-26-2006 08:09 PM |
isnt there a tire and wheel thread?
| Anti-Mod | 04-26-2006 09:10 PM |
^^^^Yes, but considering that I will be using this tire in SCCA STX AutoX I chose to put it here. BTW thanks for your contribution.
| Anti-Mod | 04-26-2006 10:00 PM |
The RE-01s are cheaper though, thats a plus.
| tuskenraider | 04-26-2006 10:20 PM |
So what level are you competing at? If nationally, stay with the proven Advans and let the others figure the Bridgestones worth. If you're bouncing around a couple local groups, I say save your money and get the Hankook RS-2's. I've run one event on them, at full tread and I'm pretty impressed compared to the RT-215's I ran before. Definately not a crisp tire, but the grip is there.
| Thumper23 | 04-26-2006 11:45 PM |
[QUOTE=Anti-Mod]The RE-01s are cheaper though, thats a plus.[/QUOTE]
This is true. Tirerack's showing $175 for the Bridgestone's and $180 for the Advans (even though they also show a $234 price :eek: ) in 225/45/17.
This is true. Tirerack's showing $175 for the Bridgestone's and $180 for the Advans (even though they also show a $234 price :eek: ) in 225/45/17.
| Crash477 | 04-27-2006 12:24 AM |
Go with teh 235/40/17 RE-01R's!
| GSXR | 04-27-2006 01:56 AM |
Honestly, if you didn't want to risk trying out a new tire because of your budget, I think you only have one choice - Advans. They're proven to be fast.
If you're a gambling man, then go for the RE-01Rs. They're rumored to be faster.
I'm in the same boat but I might even cheap out and get the 615s.
If you're a gambling man, then go for the RE-01Rs. They're rumored to be faster.
I'm in the same boat but I might even cheap out and get the 615s.
| grippgoat | 04-27-2006 05:31 AM |
[QUOTE=Anti-Mod]The RE-01s are cheaper though, thats a plus.[/QUOTE]
S03 Pole Positions used to be cheap. "The first hit's free" and all that. :)
-Mike
S03 Pole Positions used to be cheap. "The first hit's free" and all that. :)
-Mike
| KC | 04-27-2006 07:47 AM |
IBHoopesayskooks
| funsti | 04-27-2006 09:47 AM |
Bridgestone for the win! If the RE-01R is merely [i]equivalent[/i] to the RE070 the new sizes make it extremely desirable. We're purposefully going to run the stock RE070s at the SE Divisional autocross this weekend instead of 245/45/17 rt615s. Personally I think we would be fine either way but I do prefer the quicker final drive ratio of the stock tires. However, if it is wet we will be running 245/40/17 Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3s :devil:.
I'm eager to test out the RE-01R in the 235/40/17 size that Crash477 mentioned.
-JWM
I'm eager to test out the RE-01R in the 235/40/17 size that Crash477 mentioned.
-JWM
| PhilC | 04-27-2006 11:03 AM |
[QUOTE=Thumper23]This is true. Tirerack's showing $175 for the Bridgestone's and $180 for the Advans (even though they also show a $234 price :eek: ) in 225/45/17.[/QUOTE]
The expensive 225 Yok is the Lotus Elise OE tire. From what Luke has said in the past it has a different carcass structure than the normal 225/45-17 AD-07 which is somehow better suited for the super-light Lotus.
The expensive 225 Yok is the Lotus Elise OE tire. From what Luke has said in the past it has a different carcass structure than the normal 225/45-17 AD-07 which is somehow better suited for the super-light Lotus.
| [email�protected] | 04-27-2006 11:42 AM |
[QUOTE=PhilC]The expensive 225 Yok is the Lotus Elise OE tire. From what Luke has said in the past it has a different carcass structure than the normal 225/45-17 AD-07 which is somehow better suited for the super-light Lotus.[/QUOTE]
correct :D
and we are testing the Yok and RE01R head to head this week and next week ... I'll post results when I have ran them on the track
correct :D
and we are testing the Yok and RE01R head to head this week and next week ... I'll post results when I have ran them on the track
| DougM | 04-27-2006 11:48 AM |
[QUOTE=Anti-Mod]I'll be running 225/45-17s on 17X7.5 Wedsports.[/QUOTE]
pcik a better size tire
pcik a better size tire
| Skibum4444 | 04-27-2006 12:18 PM |
one guy had the Bridgestones at our last autoX, all he could say is that they were faster than the Rt-615's.
| DougM | 04-27-2006 12:45 PM |
[QUOTE=Skibum4444]one guy had the Bridgestones at our last autoX, all he could say is that they were faster than the Rt-615's.[/QUOTE]
and to qualify this; the "guy" is a seasoned veteran that knows his stuff. he also commented that he needs to relearn the car some now... guess the extra grip was messing with his mojo.
and to qualify this; the "guy" is a seasoned veteran that knows his stuff. he also commented that he needs to relearn the car some now... guess the extra grip was messing with his mojo.
| IBAUCLAPlaya | 04-27-2006 12:59 PM |
Bridgestone doesn't have any form of contingency do they? If not, I vote Yoks.
| Anti-Mod | 04-27-2006 01:33 PM |
[QUOTE=IBAUCLAPlaya]Bridgestone doesn't have any form of contingency do they? If not, I vote Yoks.[/QUOTE]
I doubt contingency would figure in my future. Also looking at 235s but its really yet to be determined. I definately got some research ahead of me though. Keep 'em coming fellas. :lol:
I doubt contingency would figure in my future. Also looking at 235s but its really yet to be determined. I definately got some research ahead of me though. Keep 'em coming fellas. :lol:
| Anti-Mod | 04-27-2006 01:35 PM |
[QUOTE=DougM]and to qualify this; the "guy" is a seasoned veteran that knows his stuff. he also commented that he needs to relearn the car some now... guess the extra grip was messing with his mojo.[/QUOTE]
Impressive. I liked my 215s and from what I here the 615s are a good improvement. I'm liking the Bridgestones more and more.
Impressive. I liked my 215s and from what I here the 615s are a good improvement. I'm liking the Bridgestones more and more.
| Anti-Mod | 04-27-2006 01:46 PM |
[QUOTE=DougM]pcik a better size tire[/QUOTE]
Think I can fit the 235s on a 7.5 inch rim? From the tireracks info it looks like a no.
Think I can fit the 235s on a 7.5 inch rim? From the tireracks info it looks like a no.
| remowgn | 04-27-2006 01:54 PM |
Approved widths according to bridgestone are 8.0-9.5. You can probably get it on there, but whether or not you'd actually get more in the way of contact patch is questionable.
| Anti-Mod | 04-27-2006 01:55 PM |
[QUOTE=remowgn]Approved widths according to bridgestone are 8.0-9.5. You can probably get it on there, but whether or not you'd actually get more in the way of contact patch is questionable.[/QUOTE]
That was my thoughts on it. I think the 225 will suffice for my mediocre driving skills. :lol:
That was my thoughts on it. I think the 225 will suffice for my mediocre driving skills. :lol:
| remowgn | 04-27-2006 01:59 PM |
[QUOTE=Anti-Mod]That was my thoughts on it. I think the 225 will suffice for my mediocre driving skills. :lol:[/QUOTE]
Hehe, I'm in the same boat. One thing I did forget is that the 235/40's are shorter tires, which will change your gearing a bit. Whether or not that's helpful on the STI's, I'm not sure. It helps a touch on the WRX.
Hehe, I'm in the same boat. One thing I did forget is that the 235/40's are shorter tires, which will change your gearing a bit. Whether or not that's helpful on the STI's, I'm not sure. It helps a touch on the WRX.
| Anti-Mod | 04-27-2006 02:07 PM |
[QUOTE=remowgn]Hehe, I'm in the same boat. One thing I did forget is that the 235/40's are shorter tires, which will change your gearing a bit. Whether or not that's helpful on the STI's, I'm not sure. It helps a touch on the WRX.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I'm in a WRX and I thought about the gearing and all. Just thinking that the 225s will be more liveable all around. Just seems like a 235 wouldn't fit great on a 7.5 inch rim.
Yeah, I'm in a WRX and I thought about the gearing and all. Just thinking that the 225s will be more liveable all around. Just seems like a 235 wouldn't fit great on a 7.5 inch rim.
| DrBiggly | 04-27-2006 02:12 PM |
[QUOTE=IBAUCLAPlaya]Bridgestone doesn't have any form of contingency do they? If not, I vote Yoks.[/QUOTE]
One has to be winning to get contingency. Tires are only part of that equation. :)
-Biggly
One has to be winning to get contingency. Tires are only part of that equation. :)
-Biggly
| Anti-Mod | 04-27-2006 02:23 PM |
[QUOTE=DrBiggly]One has to be winning to get contingency. Tires are only part of that equation. :)
-Biggly[/QUOTE]
Thats what I told him. :lol:
Again, contingency will most likely not be a factor. Its mostly just a fun thing for me. :banana:
-Biggly[/QUOTE]
Thats what I told him. :lol:
Again, contingency will most likely not be a factor. Its mostly just a fun thing for me. :banana:
| DougM | 04-27-2006 02:35 PM |
then I'd suggest you'd have more fun with a shorter tire
| Thumper23 | 04-27-2006 02:37 PM |
[QUOTE=PhilC]The expensive 225 Yok is the Lotus Elise OE tire. From what Luke has said in the past it has a different carcass structure than the normal 225/45-17 AD-07 which is somehow better suited for the super-light Lotus.[/QUOTE]
ahha, did not know that, makes sense though
ahha, did not know that, makes sense though
| DougM | 04-27-2006 02:38 PM |
235/40 will fit on a 7.5" wheel, but yeah, less than optimum width wise. I'm running 245/40's on a 7.5" wheel and it's not perfect... but for you the gearing advantage might be worth it.
| DrBiggly | 04-27-2006 07:03 PM |
I've mounted the Hankook 235/40/R17s on a 7.5" wheel and the fitment was great; I thought it would have sucked before doing it (I only did it temporarily for one event.) However, they have a published spec of 8.3" for tread width vs. the Yoko's 9.1" tread width for the 235/40/R17. Also according to published specs, the Yoko is slightly smaller in diameter which I consider to be another advantage.
I'd run the 235/40/R17s regardless of wheel consideration and if one has to stuff them on the 7.5" vs. the 8.0" so be it. :)
-Biggly
I'd run the 235/40/R17s regardless of wheel consideration and if one has to stuff them on the 7.5" vs. the 8.0" so be it. :)
-Biggly
| abaxter34 | 04-27-2006 08:09 PM |
[QUOTE=Skibum4444]one guy had the Bridgestones at our last autoX, all he could say is that they were faster than the Rt-615's.[/QUOTE]
as DrBiggly just noted the 01r's appear to run small(narrow). after seeing them this weekend with Skibum444 and DougM, the 225/45/17's looked tiny. my 235/40/17 kooks look small compared to the same size advans, but the 225 bridgestones almost seemed to look more like a large 205 or 215. judging by what ive seen so far i think a 245 width would be necesarry to keep up with how much rubber the advans are putting to the ground.
as DrBiggly just noted the 01r's appear to run small(narrow). after seeing them this weekend with Skibum444 and DougM, the 225/45/17's looked tiny. my 235/40/17 kooks look small compared to the same size advans, but the 225 bridgestones almost seemed to look more like a large 205 or 215. judging by what ive seen so far i think a 245 width would be necesarry to keep up with how much rubber the advans are putting to the ground.
| Anti-Mod | 04-27-2006 09:18 PM |
[QUOTE=abaxter34]as DrBiggly just noted the 01r's appear to run small(narrow). after seeing them this weekend with Skibum444 and DougM, the 225/45/17's looked tiny. my 235/40/17 kooks look small compared to the same size advans, but the 225 bridgestones almost seemed to look more like a large 205 or 215. judging by what ive seen so far i think a 245 width would be necesarry to keep up with how much rubber the advans are putting to the ground.[/QUOTE]
Good to know. I've also been looking at the OZ Ultralleggaras and they are available in a 17X8 which would probably fit the 235s or 245s. It looks like the 235s would provide more of a gearing advantage than the 245s, but then again the 245s would put more rubber on the ground. The only disadvantage I can see is that the Ozs (17.2 lbs) are a few pounds heavier than the Weds (14.5 lbs). However they are cheaper. Do you think this is a difference that I would notice? :devil:
After more reasearch I am now leaning toward the RE-01s in 245/40 on the OZ Ultralegs in 17X8. I know the wheel is heavier but they're quite a bit cheaper than the Wedsports and I think they'll make a good summer wheel all around. Not to mention I kind of think the gold ones would look sick on my SRR WRX (we've all got a bit of ricer in us, don't we? :lol: ).
Good to know. I've also been looking at the OZ Ultralleggaras and they are available in a 17X8 which would probably fit the 235s or 245s. It looks like the 235s would provide more of a gearing advantage than the 245s, but then again the 245s would put more rubber on the ground. The only disadvantage I can see is that the Ozs (17.2 lbs) are a few pounds heavier than the Weds (14.5 lbs). However they are cheaper. Do you think this is a difference that I would notice? :devil:
After more reasearch I am now leaning toward the RE-01s in 245/40 on the OZ Ultralegs in 17X8. I know the wheel is heavier but they're quite a bit cheaper than the Wedsports and I think they'll make a good summer wheel all around. Not to mention I kind of think the gold ones would look sick on my SRR WRX (we've all got a bit of ricer in us, don't we? :lol: ).
| Anti-Mod | 04-28-2006 02:38 AM |
So what do you guys think 235/40s or 245/40s on 17X8s?
| shemoves | 04-28-2006 03:57 AM |
[QUOTE=Anti-Mod]So what do you guys think 235/40s or 245/40s on 17X8s?[/QUOTE]
I wonder the same question...I wanna put 245/40/17 Yoks on a 17x8 (i know you are asking about the 01R)
I wonder the same question...I wanna put 245/40/17 Yoks on a 17x8 (i know you are asking about the 01R)
| Anti-Mod | 04-28-2006 04:56 AM |
[QUOTE=shemoves]I wonder the same question...I wanna put 245/40/17 Yoks on a 17x8 (i know you are asking about the 01R)[/QUOTE]
From what I can tell (and this is specific to the RE-01Rs) while the 245 provides a gearing advantage over stock the 235 provides even more of an advantage. The question is will the extra rubber to pavement make up for this. I'm thinking I'll give it a try. :D
From what I can tell (and this is specific to the RE-01Rs) while the 245 provides a gearing advantage over stock the 235 provides even more of an advantage. The question is will the extra rubber to pavement make up for this. I'm thinking I'll give it a try. :D
| DrBiggly | 04-28-2006 08:32 AM |
[QUOTE=abaxter34]as DrBiggly just noted the 01r's appear to run small(narrow). after seeing them this weekend with Skibum444 and DougM, the 225/45/17's looked tiny. my 235/40/17 kooks look small compared to the same size advans, but the 225 bridgestones almost seemed to look more like a large 205 or 215. judging by what ive seen so far i think a 245 width would be necesarry to keep up with how much rubber the advans are putting to the ground.[/QUOTE]
I didn't mention width for the 01R at all. :confused:
-Biggly
I didn't mention width for the 01R at all. :confused:
-Biggly
| whitet777 | 04-28-2006 09:07 AM |
^That's what I thought^ When did Biggly say narrow?
| PhilC | 04-28-2006 09:22 AM |
[QUOTE=shemoves]I wonder the same question...I wanna put 245/40/17 Yoks on a 17x8 (i know you are asking about the 01R)[/QUOTE]
Josh found that the 245 Yok was actually too wide for an 8" wheel. Having used the 235 for a while I can without a doubt tell you that it's the widest 235 I've ever seen, the Yoks are VERY VERY wide and also very short for their listed size. While the Kooks are definitely not a narrow 235 they look very narrow when put next to the 235 Yoks.
Listed specs of the 235/40s measured on a 8.5" rim: RE-01R 8.5" tread width, 9.5" section width, diameter 24.4". AD-07 9.1" tread width, 9.6" section width, diameter 24.3". Hankook 8.3" tread width, 9.5" section width, diameter 24.4". That doesn't really tell the entire story of the tire though as the carcass and the setup of the car to take advantage of the strengths and minimize the weaknesses of each tire is VERY important. All three tires are wide 235s, it's just that the Yok is the widest at the tread by about 1/2" per side and the shortest by 1-2MPH in 2nd gear. Just for fun throw in the FK-451s that Hoppe still tells me he thinks would kick all of their butts at 9.6" section, 8.7" tread and 23.9" diameter in the 245/35-17 size.
Josh found that the 245 Yok was actually too wide for an 8" wheel. Having used the 235 for a while I can without a doubt tell you that it's the widest 235 I've ever seen, the Yoks are VERY VERY wide and also very short for their listed size. While the Kooks are definitely not a narrow 235 they look very narrow when put next to the 235 Yoks.
Listed specs of the 235/40s measured on a 8.5" rim: RE-01R 8.5" tread width, 9.5" section width, diameter 24.4". AD-07 9.1" tread width, 9.6" section width, diameter 24.3". Hankook 8.3" tread width, 9.5" section width, diameter 24.4". That doesn't really tell the entire story of the tire though as the carcass and the setup of the car to take advantage of the strengths and minimize the weaknesses of each tire is VERY important. All three tires are wide 235s, it's just that the Yok is the widest at the tread by about 1/2" per side and the shortest by 1-2MPH in 2nd gear. Just for fun throw in the FK-451s that Hoppe still tells me he thinks would kick all of their butts at 9.6" section, 8.7" tread and 23.9" diameter in the 245/35-17 size.
| IBAUCLAPlaya | 04-28-2006 09:23 AM |
I just wish Kook or Bridgestone had 245/35-17s in the RS2s and 01Rs respectively.
| KC | 04-28-2006 09:26 AM |
[QUOTE=IBAUCLAPlaya]I just wish someone had a 245/35-17[/QUOTE]
Falken FK452. (The sucessor to the FK451)
[url]http://www.fk452.com/sizes.html[/url]
May not be in the same territory, but the 451s were OK once shaved. Who wants to be the guina pig for these? :lol:
--kC
Falken FK452. (The sucessor to the FK451)
[url]http://www.fk452.com/sizes.html[/url]
May not be in the same territory, but the 451s were OK once shaved. Who wants to be the guina pig for these? :lol:
--kC
| remowgn | 04-28-2006 11:49 AM |
[QUOTE=KC]Falken FK452. (The sucessor to the FK451)
[url]http://www.fk452.com/sizes.html[/url]
May not be in the same territory, but the 451s were OK once shaved. Who wants to be the guina pig for these? :lol:
--kC[/QUOTE]
Hey, if they still have the azenis compound lurking underneath all that rock-hard rubber, I bet they're still pretty good. :D
[url]http://www.fk452.com/sizes.html[/url]
May not be in the same territory, but the 451s were OK once shaved. Who wants to be the guina pig for these? :lol:
--kC[/QUOTE]
Hey, if they still have the azenis compound lurking underneath all that rock-hard rubber, I bet they're still pretty good. :D
| FastAWD | 04-28-2006 12:22 PM |
i have the advans on my STi and i like them, but i just run in AS
| DrBiggly | 04-28-2006 04:49 PM |
[QUOTE=remowgn]Hey, if they still have the azenis compound lurking underneath all that rock-hard rubber, I bet they're still pretty good. :D[/QUOTE]
They never had the Azenis compound underneath to start with. That was just a rumor. Falken stated explicitly that it was not the Azenis compound in a thread on some other forum as I recall.
-Biggly
They never had the Azenis compound underneath to start with. That was just a rumor. Falken stated explicitly that it was not the Azenis compound in a thread on some other forum as I recall.
-Biggly
| D fresh | 04-28-2006 04:51 PM |
^^Yeah, I won't be going the "cheater" tire route. I really just want to try something different. Pretty well set on the RE-01Rs just can't decide on 235 or 245.
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| abaxter34 | 04-28-2006 07:04 PM |
[QUOTE=DrBiggly]I didn't mention width for the 01R at all. :confused:
-Biggly[/QUOTE]
whoops. i reread your post, i thought you were quoting the section width of the bridgestones. anyhow, bridgestone has always given their tires a very round shoulder. the square shoulder of the yokes is what made the 01r's look so small in comparison.
-Biggly[/QUOTE]
whoops. i reread your post, i thought you were quoting the section width of the bridgestones. anyhow, bridgestone has always given their tires a very round shoulder. the square shoulder of the yokes is what made the 01r's look so small in comparison.
| kwh29 | 09-17-2007 11:26 PM |
Sorry for the slight threadjack (and resurrection of a pretty ancient thread)
Has anyone mounted the 235/40/17 RE-01R on a 7.5" wheel and compared it in size to the stock STi tire? I have the RE-070 on my RS and it is as close to rubbing as imaginable while still having enough clearance. Based on the published specs it looks like I could use the 235 RE-01R and probably have about the same clearance, assuming some pinch from running 7.5" wheels vs the measured 8.5's.
--Kevin H.
Has anyone mounted the 235/40/17 RE-01R on a 7.5" wheel and compared it in size to the stock STi tire? I have the RE-070 on my RS and it is as close to rubbing as imaginable while still having enough clearance. Based on the published specs it looks like I could use the 235 RE-01R and probably have about the same clearance, assuming some pinch from running 7.5" wheels vs the measured 8.5's.
--Kevin H.
| angryfist | 09-18-2007 10:05 AM |
[QUOTE=kwh29;19405734]Sorry for the slight threadjack (and resurrection of a pretty ancient thread)
Has anyone mounted the 235/40/17 RE-01R on a 7.5" wheel and compared it in size to the stock STi tire? I have the RE-070 on my RS and it is as close to rubbing as imaginable while still having enough clearance. Based on the published specs it looks like I could use the 235 RE-01R and probably have about the same clearance, assuming some pinch from running 7.5" wheels vs the measured 8.5's.
--Kevin H.[/QUOTE]
FYI. we've run my 17x8's with the 235/40/17 neovas (which is wider than the re01-r) on the RS with no issues as long as you have the right offset. you might need to run a small (2-3mm) spacer in the rear to clear the strut, but it fits.
Has anyone mounted the 235/40/17 RE-01R on a 7.5" wheel and compared it in size to the stock STi tire? I have the RE-070 on my RS and it is as close to rubbing as imaginable while still having enough clearance. Based on the published specs it looks like I could use the 235 RE-01R and probably have about the same clearance, assuming some pinch from running 7.5" wheels vs the measured 8.5's.
--Kevin H.[/QUOTE]
FYI. we've run my 17x8's with the 235/40/17 neovas (which is wider than the re01-r) on the RS with no issues as long as you have the right offset. you might need to run a small (2-3mm) spacer in the rear to clear the strut, but it fits.
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