| Opie | 03-30-2002 09:30 PM |
Can some one tell me why their are no Subaru's in the Speed Channel's World Challenge
OK so I'm watching the opening races on Speed Channel tonight and they are going over the class "rules".
The Touring car series is for N/A , productions cars that in their original configuration have a rear seat, 2WD or 4WD, maximum displacement of 2.8L. Is it me or does it sound like a great class for the 2.5RS?
The GT Series allows both 2WD & 4WD, forced induction cars, Corvettes, Porsches, BMW's Audi's, etc...a class the WRX could at least be competitive in.
Both series' have factory backed teams (such as Mazda, VW, Acura & Honda in Touring and Acura, Chevrolet, BMW in GT) why the hell doesn't Subaru get involved in this? SOA are you listening? I know you offer contingency and support the SCCA very well, be bejesus...get a factory backed car in there! The cars are obviously heavily modified to be equal competitively so don't give me the ole "WRX/RS weigh's to much" excuse. Get STi/Cusco to build some cars specifically for the series! Shoot if you need someone to drive it I'm availible! :D
The Touring car series is for N/A , productions cars that in their original configuration have a rear seat, 2WD or 4WD, maximum displacement of 2.8L. Is it me or does it sound like a great class for the 2.5RS?
The GT Series allows both 2WD & 4WD, forced induction cars, Corvettes, Porsches, BMW's Audi's, etc...a class the WRX could at least be competitive in.
Both series' have factory backed teams (such as Mazda, VW, Acura & Honda in Touring and Acura, Chevrolet, BMW in GT) why the hell doesn't Subaru get involved in this? SOA are you listening? I know you offer contingency and support the SCCA very well, be bejesus...get a factory backed car in there! The cars are obviously heavily modified to be equal competitively so don't give me the ole "WRX/RS weigh's to much" excuse. Get STi/Cusco to build some cars specifically for the series! Shoot if you need someone to drive it I'm availible! :D
| Patrick Olsen | 03-31-2002 09:44 AM |
The only thing I can think of is that all of the factory-backed teams you listed come from much larger companies (except for Mazda, but aren't they new to the series as of last season?). With the money Subaru cranks into WRC maybe they just can't justify throwing a whole bunch more at the Speed Channel racing series.
On the other hand, Subaru is part of a much larger organization in FHI, so you wouldn't think funding would be [i]that[/i] big a deal. I dunno.
Oh, and I volunteer to drive the other car in the factory team. :D Please set me up for the Touring class.
Pat Olsen
'97 Legacy 2.5GT sedan
On the other hand, Subaru is part of a much larger organization in FHI, so you wouldn't think funding would be [i]that[/i] big a deal. I dunno.
Oh, and I volunteer to drive the other car in the factory team. :D Please set me up for the Touring class.
Pat Olsen
'97 Legacy 2.5GT sedan
| Thug | 03-31-2002 12:02 PM |
Mazda is part of Ford, so I wouldnt exactly call them a small company.
| Midwayman | 03-31-2002 12:10 PM |
Id imagine its because subaru never has really developed their 2.5l engine. The scooby would probably do okay.
| ChrisW | 03-31-2002 12:22 PM |
simple.
Until this season, at the last minute they classified the impreza for the touring car and GT series.
I don't think anyone had time to prep a car, but what I know is the impreza 2.5 RS is in the touring car series while the WRX is in the GT
[URL=http://www.speedvisionwc.com/news/01press87.html]SUBARU TO ADD CONTINGENCY SUPPORT FOR 2002 IMPREZA[/URL]
Until this season, at the last minute they classified the impreza for the touring car and GT series.
I don't think anyone had time to prep a car, but what I know is the impreza 2.5 RS is in the touring car series while the WRX is in the GT
[URL=http://www.speedvisionwc.com/news/01press87.html]SUBARU TO ADD CONTINGENCY SUPPORT FOR 2002 IMPREZA[/URL]
| ChrisDP | 03-31-2002 02:43 PM |
Well, if Pat and Opie want to drive in Touring... I suppose I'll have to drive the WRX in GT. It's a dirty job, but somebody's got to do it... :devil:
| ChrisW | 03-31-2002 04:09 PM |
I checked the website [url]http://www.speedvisionwc.com/competitors/vts.html[/url]
and there is a huge disparity between the AWD cars allowed to run.
compare the stats for the audi 2.8 and the impreza 2.5. :(
and there is a huge disparity between the AWD cars allowed to run.
compare the stats for the audi 2.8 and the impreza 2.5. :(
| Patrick L | 03-31-2002 04:56 PM |
Give me a car and I'll drive either one.
Pat Lipsinic
Pat Lipsinic
| Patrick L | 03-31-2002 04:59 PM |
Wow, they allow the 2.5RS to run 11.5:1 compression. Sweet!
Plus you can run 12" rotors, front and rear with approved 4 piston calipers.
CHeck it out.
[url]http://www.speedvisionwc.com/competitors/vts/02-subaru-impreza-2.5.pdf[/url]
Plus you can run 12" rotors, front and rear with approved 4 piston calipers.
CHeck it out.
[url]http://www.speedvisionwc.com/competitors/vts/02-subaru-impreza-2.5.pdf[/url]
| Opie | 03-31-2002 09:34 PM |
Uhhh, yeah...Hello Trey...you wanna build an engine for a World Challenge 2.5RS? :D
| Lightning Jack | 03-31-2002 11:44 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by y2k4door [/i]
[B]Mazda is part of Ford, so I wouldnt exactly call them a small company. [/B][/QUOTE]
True True Mazda = Ford
they have a big bucks
A lot of good drivers are driving for Mazda now and i know they want to win so bad
even Roger Woo is driving for Mazda and i could see him struggling with that what was it? mp3? wagon ? hehe sorry i'm not a big fan of Mazda
He seem to ran better with his previous Hatchie Honda, but HEY! somebody is got to pay the bills!.
i sure would love to cheer for WRX in Touring Series
Maybe Sheehan could move up with a support from SOA
as for right now i love watching a little Acura Integra R beating big fat horses BMW
[B]Mazda is part of Ford, so I wouldnt exactly call them a small company. [/B][/QUOTE]
True True Mazda = Ford
they have a big bucks
A lot of good drivers are driving for Mazda now and i know they want to win so bad
even Roger Woo is driving for Mazda and i could see him struggling with that what was it? mp3? wagon ? hehe sorry i'm not a big fan of Mazda
He seem to ran better with his previous Hatchie Honda, but HEY! somebody is got to pay the bills!.
i sure would love to cheer for WRX in Touring Series
Maybe Sheehan could move up with a support from SOA
as for right now i love watching a little Acura Integra R beating big fat horses BMW
| Patrick Olsen | 04-01-2002 12:15 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by y2k4door [/i]
[B]Mazda is part of Ford, so I wouldnt exactly call them a small company. [/B][/QUOTE]
First, Mazda is not a part of Ford, Mazda is just a really close partner of Ford. Ford does not own Mazda like it does Lincoln and Mercury.
With that said, I could be wrong, but I just don't see Ford kicking a whole lot of money to Mazda to run in Speed Channel's racing series. I would imagine what is essentially an advertising venture is supported by the company that will benefit from it, if you know what I mean.
Pat
[B]Mazda is part of Ford, so I wouldnt exactly call them a small company. [/B][/QUOTE]
First, Mazda is not a part of Ford, Mazda is just a really close partner of Ford. Ford does not own Mazda like it does Lincoln and Mercury.
With that said, I could be wrong, but I just don't see Ford kicking a whole lot of money to Mazda to run in Speed Channel's racing series. I would imagine what is essentially an advertising venture is supported by the company that will benefit from it, if you know what I mean.
Pat
| Ratsback | 04-01-2002 04:41 AM |
Mazda and Racing
Mazda may be small but they've always been racers. Think of it this way....
Mazda Raceway at Laguna Seca
Star Mazda racing series
Pro-spec Miata
Spec Miata
Spec 7
IT7
That's just the current stuff. The only programs I can think that are so make specific are Formula Ford, Formula Vee, and Skip Barber Formula Dodge.
I think there is good reason for them to be in the Speedvision/Speed Channel stuff....
Mazda Raceway at Laguna Seca
Star Mazda racing series
Pro-spec Miata
Spec Miata
Spec 7
IT7
That's just the current stuff. The only programs I can think that are so make specific are Formula Ford, Formula Vee, and Skip Barber Formula Dodge.
I think there is good reason for them to be in the Speedvision/Speed Channel stuff....
| Opie | 04-01-2002 08:08 AM |
But if Ford is backing Mazda in this series...why not back their own Focus instead? Regardless...c'mon SOA from the amount of interest in this post you have enough drivers for a 4 or more car field.
| Lightning Jack | 04-01-2002 10:17 AM |
you see more ford focus in racing than wrx that's for sure but they are just not in the touring and GT
It would be funny to see focus in GT cuz that just funny
maybe focus is just not the right car to compete in Touring and GT
It would be funny to see focus in GT cuz that just funny
maybe focus is just not the right car to compete in Touring and GT
| pio!pio! | 04-01-2002 11:24 AM |
Actually the 2.5RS was approved for Touring a couple years ago, but factory contigency money only started this year.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ChrisW [/i]
[B]simple.
Until this season, at the last minute they classified the impreza for the touring car and GT series.
I don't think anyone had time to prep a car, but what I know is the impreza 2.5 RS is in the touring car series while the WRX is in the GT
[URL=http://www.speedvisionwc.com/news/01press87.html]SUBARU TO ADD CONTINGENCY SUPPORT FOR 2002 IMPREZA[/URL] [/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ChrisW [/i]
[B]simple.
Until this season, at the last minute they classified the impreza for the touring car and GT series.
I don't think anyone had time to prep a car, but what I know is the impreza 2.5 RS is in the touring car series while the WRX is in the GT
[URL=http://www.speedvisionwc.com/news/01press87.html]SUBARU TO ADD CONTINGENCY SUPPORT FOR 2002 IMPREZA[/URL] [/B][/QUOTE]
| Ru fan | 04-01-2002 12:13 PM |
Who the heck is Roger Woo??? I know of a Roger FOO. I met the guy last year. That was one of the coolest things I have ever done.:D He even had an Underdog figure on his dashboard. Once he gets that Mazda of his sorted out, he will be awsome. I also spoke to his current teamate who drives the white/yellow MP3. He said that they were making around 205 at the crank. I am guessing it is all about suspension setup.
As for a RS in Touring, I think they will take quite a bit to make it compeditive. I can't see a RS being any kind of competition for a Type R without any kind of serious engine mods. Would't they also force the AWD cars to carry a ton of extra weight? If the day does come, I elect myself as driver.:D
BTW: The Realtime team is looking for drivers. They have a brand new NSX sitting around just waiting for a driver. Did you know that there driver Myers is something like 74 years old?!:) How cool is that?
Later,
Seth E.:alien:
As for a RS in Touring, I think they will take quite a bit to make it compeditive. I can't see a RS being any kind of competition for a Type R without any kind of serious engine mods. Would't they also force the AWD cars to carry a ton of extra weight? If the day does come, I elect myself as driver.:D
BTW: The Realtime team is looking for drivers. They have a brand new NSX sitting around just waiting for a driver. Did you know that there driver Myers is something like 74 years old?!:) How cool is that?
Later,
Seth E.:alien:
| Lightning Jack | 04-01-2002 01:26 PM |
oh yes sorry Foo yes yes right:alien:
| GarySheehan | 04-01-2002 02:06 PM |
Subaru is focused on promoting the WRX as their premier performance car. When I discussed the costs involved with running a WRX as a competitive World Challenge GT entry, they were surprised at the level of expense.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
| Scoobyslack1 | 04-01-2002 02:18 PM |
Hey Gary...
I was just going to say that you were the only one that was driving a WRX even close to what it would have to be for the GT series.
Gary are the big cost due to the logistics of racing all over the country? Or is it the extra prep that would be needed to make your car competitive?
hope your USTCC season is going well.
Alan
Gary are the big cost due to the logistics of racing all over the country? Or is it the extra prep that would be needed to make your car competitive?
hope your USTCC season is going well.
Alan
| Opie | 04-01-2002 03:10 PM |
Gary it's a shame SOA can't fork over the extra money necessary for you to compete in the SCCA series, I would think the TV time they would get would be worth the additional cost!
Maybe we could just push the USTCC to get some TV coverage...then I wouln't have to watch the Speed Channel series ;)
Maybe we could just push the USTCC to get some TV coverage...then I wouln't have to watch the Speed Channel series ;)
| Kari L. Goings | 04-01-2002 05:35 PM |
SUBARUS ARE JUST TO GOOD!!! WE KNOW THEY ARE!! RIGHT!!
Kari
Kari
| Red-Impreza | 04-01-2002 05:56 PM |
[QUOTE]Maybe we could just push the USTCC to get some TV coverage...then I wouln't have to watch the Speed Channel series [/QUOTE]
I would be perfectly happy to watch them both. Maybe we should all [URL=http://www.speedtv.com/feedback/?lvl=0f&cat=22&a_id=3]write Speed TV[/URL] and ask them to televise both and run them back to back.
-Bud
I would be perfectly happy to watch them both. Maybe we should all [URL=http://www.speedtv.com/feedback/?lvl=0f&cat=22&a_id=3]write Speed TV[/URL] and ask them to televise both and run them back to back.
-Bud
| elgorey | 04-02-2002 10:17 AM |
Isnt the weight penalty for AWD in the speedvision series too high as to make an awd completely uncompetitive?
| Scoobyslack1 | 04-02-2002 10:25 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by elgorey [/i]
[B]Isnt the weight penalty for AWD in the speedvision series too high as to make an awd completely uncompetitive? [/B][/QUOTE]
not really....Audi S4 won Sebring, he led the whole way:D
1. Audi
2. Acura (NSX)
3. BMW
[B]Isnt the weight penalty for AWD in the speedvision series too high as to make an awd completely uncompetitive? [/B][/QUOTE]
not really....Audi S4 won Sebring, he led the whole way:D
1. Audi
2. Acura (NSX)
3. BMW
| GarySheehan | 04-02-2002 11:53 AM |
And they won the championship last year. AWD is a HUGE advantage on the standing starts. I get to experience that first hand :)
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
| ChrisW | 04-02-2002 12:00 PM |
Gary,
since forced induction is not allowed in the touring car series, do you think your WRX could be competitive against Gilotti's (butcher'ed I know) S4 given a similar budget?
since forced induction is not allowed in the touring car series, do you think your WRX could be competitive against Gilotti's (butcher'ed I know) S4 given a similar budget?
| Scoobyslack1 | 04-02-2002 12:29 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by GarySheehan [/i]
[B]AWD is a HUGE advantage on the standing starts. I get to experience that first hand :)
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url] [/B][/QUOTE]
yeah, but it scared you the first time didn't it ;) you got into the dirt a little :p
as for the budget...I'm sure you would LOVE to have a budget even close to Gilotti's. They had a nice [COLOR=red](huge)[/COLOR] tractor/trailer set up in Sebring
[B]AWD is a HUGE advantage on the standing starts. I get to experience that first hand :)
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url] [/B][/QUOTE]
yeah, but it scared you the first time didn't it ;) you got into the dirt a little :p
as for the budget...I'm sure you would LOVE to have a budget even close to Gilotti's. They had a nice [COLOR=red](huge)[/COLOR] tractor/trailer set up in Sebring
| Tkacik | 04-02-2002 01:00 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Ru fan [/i]
[B]Who the heck is Roger Woo??? I know of a Roger FOO. I met the guy last year. That was one of the coolest things I have ever done.:D He even had an Underdog figure on his dashboard. Once he gets that Mazda of his sorted out, he will be awsome. I also spoke to his current teamate who drives the white/yellow MP3. He said that they were making around 205 at the crank. I am guessing it is all about suspension setup.
As for a RS in Touring, I think they will take quite a bit to make it compeditive. I can't see a RS being any kind of competition for a Type R without any kind of serious engine mods. Would't they also force the AWD cars to carry a ton of extra weight? If the day does come, I elect myself as driver.:D
BTW: The Realtime team is looking for drivers. They have a brand new NSX sitting around just waiting for a driver. Did you know that there driver Myers is something like 74 years old?!:) How cool is that?
Later,
Seth E.:alien: [/B][/QUOTE]
Foo Is driving for Mazda now!! Ughh! Oh how I will miss that little old skool civic hatch pounding on cars twice its size.
[B]Who the heck is Roger Woo??? I know of a Roger FOO. I met the guy last year. That was one of the coolest things I have ever done.:D He even had an Underdog figure on his dashboard. Once he gets that Mazda of his sorted out, he will be awsome. I also spoke to his current teamate who drives the white/yellow MP3. He said that they were making around 205 at the crank. I am guessing it is all about suspension setup.
As for a RS in Touring, I think they will take quite a bit to make it compeditive. I can't see a RS being any kind of competition for a Type R without any kind of serious engine mods. Would't they also force the AWD cars to carry a ton of extra weight? If the day does come, I elect myself as driver.:D
BTW: The Realtime team is looking for drivers. They have a brand new NSX sitting around just waiting for a driver. Did you know that there driver Myers is something like 74 years old?!:) How cool is that?
Later,
Seth E.:alien: [/B][/QUOTE]
Foo Is driving for Mazda now!! Ughh! Oh how I will miss that little old skool civic hatch pounding on cars twice its size.
| Marquis | 04-02-2002 01:09 PM |
[QUOTE]since forced induction is not allowed in the touring car series, do you think your WRX could be competitive against Gilotti's (butcher'ed I know) S4 given a similar budget?[/QUOTE]
No offense to Gary, but I doubt it. That's not to say he might not out-drive Gilotti, though. The problem with the S4 is that it's an Audi-developed customer car. I'm sure they put quite a bit of cash into it, especially for reliability. I don't think I've ever seen one break down.
No offense to Gary, but I doubt it. That's not to say he might not out-drive Gilotti, though. The problem with the S4 is that it's an Audi-developed customer car. I'm sure they put quite a bit of cash into it, especially for reliability. I don't think I've ever seen one break down.
| Joel Gat, 1.8L | 04-03-2002 01:43 AM |
Hello,
I'm getting the feeling some of y'all don't realize exactly how much money World Challenge costs in order for a team to be a contender. :)
Although I don't know for sure, what I've heard (and after playing the numbers game, believe) is that Audi forked over $3 million for a two car two year program for WorldChallenge GT.
So if you want to play with the big boys, as you can see, it'll take a big chunk of change. Nothing compared to the WRC budget for any of the major players, but still, a decently large budget.
Joel
I'm getting the feeling some of y'all don't realize exactly how much money World Challenge costs in order for a team to be a contender. :)
Although I don't know for sure, what I've heard (and after playing the numbers game, believe) is that Audi forked over $3 million for a two car two year program for WorldChallenge GT.
So if you want to play with the big boys, as you can see, it'll take a big chunk of change. Nothing compared to the WRC budget for any of the major players, but still, a decently large budget.
Joel
| pio!pio! | 04-03-2002 03:56 AM |
3 million!! DAMN
I don't think a WRX would stand up to the Audi's in GT
The Champion team got permission to shoehorn the RS4 engine in there. so at the base they are looking at a v6 2.6 liter biturbo engine..not counting whatever work they have done to the engine.
so if the WRX were to compete..I would say they would have to do something to up the displacement then slap on a huge turbo. now your dealing w/ immense turbolag (more than the S4 with the biturbo setup) A twin turbo setup can increase low end torque..but then again..anything not included in the vehicle technical specifications have to be approved by the SCCA.
What could be a reality is if there was a Cusco backed entry or something. With Gary as the driver! :D
Cusco has a lot of road racing exprience w/ the Impreza in the JGTC so I'm sure they have lots of tricks and money up their sleeves
I don't think a WRX would stand up to the Audi's in GT
The Champion team got permission to shoehorn the RS4 engine in there. so at the base they are looking at a v6 2.6 liter biturbo engine..not counting whatever work they have done to the engine.
so if the WRX were to compete..I would say they would have to do something to up the displacement then slap on a huge turbo. now your dealing w/ immense turbolag (more than the S4 with the biturbo setup) A twin turbo setup can increase low end torque..but then again..anything not included in the vehicle technical specifications have to be approved by the SCCA.
What could be a reality is if there was a Cusco backed entry or something. With Gary as the driver! :D
Cusco has a lot of road racing exprience w/ the Impreza in the JGTC so I'm sure they have lots of tricks and money up their sleeves
| Opie | 04-03-2002 08:19 AM |
Only 3 million! Pocket change for FHI :D
18000 WRX Sold In 2001 for an average price of $23,000 each...
18,000 x 23,000 = 414 million! :eek:
And that doesn't include any other Subaru models...
Just something to think about :)
[SIZE=1]Still thinking that SOA just needs more convincing from us fans! :p[/SIZE]
18000 WRX Sold In 2001 for an average price of $23,000 each...
18,000 x 23,000 = 414 million! :eek:
And that doesn't include any other Subaru models...
Just something to think about :)
[SIZE=1]Still thinking that SOA just needs more convincing from us fans! :p[/SIZE]
| CivicSiRacer | 04-03-2002 08:32 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Opie [/i]
[B]But if Ford is backing Mazda in this series...why not back their own Focus instead? Regardless...c'mon SOA from the amount of interest in this post you have enough drivers for a 4 or more car field. [/B][/QUOTE]
There was a Ford Focus in the World Challenge race last month. It was in the back of the pack though. Prolly still tuning. There were alot of new cars this year: IS300, VW Jetta, Focus, Mercury Courgar, Roger Foo's old Civic driven by GRant Lockwood, Mazda Protege 5, and the new 2002 BMW 328.
[B]But if Ford is backing Mazda in this series...why not back their own Focus instead? Regardless...c'mon SOA from the amount of interest in this post you have enough drivers for a 4 or more car field. [/B][/QUOTE]
There was a Ford Focus in the World Challenge race last month. It was in the back of the pack though. Prolly still tuning. There were alot of new cars this year: IS300, VW Jetta, Focus, Mercury Courgar, Roger Foo's old Civic driven by GRant Lockwood, Mazda Protege 5, and the new 2002 BMW 328.
| Atlas' Kids | 04-03-2002 08:39 AM |
Don't forget!
Let's not forget that they just launched an entirely new US Rally Team last year around this time... I'm sure campaigning two Open class rex's built by Prodrive isn't cheap, nevermind the the schedule that bounces the cars all over the country during the season. Carrying on the Rally heritage may be a little more important to them than road racing right now, but I wouldn't doubt it if we saw an STi in the GT series in a few years. ;)
| TBreu007 | 04-03-2002 11:45 AM |
I don't know that the USDM WRX could compete against the S4's that are beating Porsche Cup cars and Z06's. A WRX RA wold be the only chance.
I'm a decent driver that was passing BMW M coupes and 911's at my last event at Sebring. I was running 2:43's there on stock boost with coilovers and r-compounds and stock sized brakes. The top 5 cars in the SV GT race ran 2:22! Even with Juan Montoya driving, I don't think the USDM WRX could ever drop 20 seconds off my time without internals (you have to have stock internals for the speedvision races). A RA on the other hand...that might make it.
There was a Camaro SS running at the SV race at Sebring that was pulling my times; he was dead last or close to it...I would hate to see a Subie in dead last, but hey, you'd be racing.:D
I'm a decent driver that was passing BMW M coupes and 911's at my last event at Sebring. I was running 2:43's there on stock boost with coilovers and r-compounds and stock sized brakes. The top 5 cars in the SV GT race ran 2:22! Even with Juan Montoya driving, I don't think the USDM WRX could ever drop 20 seconds off my time without internals (you have to have stock internals for the speedvision races). A RA on the other hand...that might make it.
There was a Camaro SS running at the SV race at Sebring that was pulling my times; he was dead last or close to it...I would hate to see a Subie in dead last, but hey, you'd be racing.:D
| Midwayman | 04-03-2002 12:47 PM |
If stock internals need to be used it looks like the STi would stand alot better chance that a standard WRX.
I guess the question is, what are the rules on what cars are legal? The WRC is homogulated so you *can* buy one if you can find enough cash, right? Start with that car and work up.
I guess the question is, what are the rules on what cars are legal? The WRC is homogulated so you *can* buy one if you can find enough cash, right? Start with that car and work up.
| pio!pio! | 04-03-2002 05:06 PM |
But there will be!!
[url]http://bbs.sccaproracing.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/001871.html[/url]
In the thread, one of the guys said he is getting ready for build a Subie up for World Challenge
[url]http://bbs.sccaproracing.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/001871.html[/url]
In the thread, one of the guys said he is getting ready for build a Subie up for World Challenge
| ChrisW | 04-03-2002 09:00 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Joel Gat, 1.8L [/i]
[B]Hello,
I'm getting the feeling some of y'all don't realize exactly how much money World Challenge costs in order for a team to be a contender. :)
Although I don't know for sure, what I've heard (and after playing the numbers game, believe) is that Audi forked over $3 million for a two car two year program for WorldChallenge GT.
So if you want to play with the big boys, as you can see, it'll take a big chunk of change. Nothing compared to the WRC budget for any of the major players, but still, a decently large budget.
Joel [/B][/QUOTE]
ok that's a given, but I am still curious. Given similar budgets, do you think the WRX could be competitive against the S4 in touring car GT series?
[B]Hello,
I'm getting the feeling some of y'all don't realize exactly how much money World Challenge costs in order for a team to be a contender. :)
Although I don't know for sure, what I've heard (and after playing the numbers game, believe) is that Audi forked over $3 million for a two car two year program for WorldChallenge GT.
So if you want to play with the big boys, as you can see, it'll take a big chunk of change. Nothing compared to the WRC budget for any of the major players, but still, a decently large budget.
Joel [/B][/QUOTE]
ok that's a given, but I am still curious. Given similar budgets, do you think the WRX could be competitive against the S4 in touring car GT series?
| bjteel | 04-03-2002 10:36 PM |
I was just thinking the same thing tonight while watching the Speed Channel. I was telling my wife about the USTCC and Gary winning with the Rex. I wish they would televise it!
Where can we write to?
Where can we write to?
| Red-Impreza | 04-04-2002 09:31 AM |
I believe that's my cue. :D
Tell these guys: [URL=http://www.speedtv.com/feedback/?lvl=0f&cat=22&a_id=3]Speed TV Feedback[/URL]
Tell these guys: [URL=http://www.speedtv.com/feedback/?lvl=0f&cat=22&a_id=3]Speed TV Feedback[/URL]
| elgorey | 04-04-2002 09:59 AM |
How is it that Audi is allowed to put a V8 turbo in their A4 when they dont sell any A4s with turbo V8s?
| Scoobyslack1 | 04-04-2002 11:12 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by elgorey [/i]
[B]How is it that Audi is allowed to put a V8 turbo in their A4 when they dont sell any A4s with turbo V8s? [/B][/QUOTE]
isn't the RS4 motor a V6 twin-turbo....:confused:
[B]How is it that Audi is allowed to put a V8 turbo in their A4 when they dont sell any A4s with turbo V8s? [/B][/QUOTE]
isn't the RS4 motor a V6 twin-turbo....:confused:
| TBreu007 | 04-04-2002 01:05 PM |
Yes it is...I talked to one of their crew guys last year at Sebring. Stock internals, stock turbos running 18psi. Per the rules of the series, they can't change either.
~400-450hp and 3000lbs (with ballast and awards weight)
~400-450hp and 3000lbs (with ballast and awards weight)
| elgorey | 04-04-2002 01:22 PM |
oh ok. I was watching the race last night on speedvision and Derek Bell said that it was a V8. I guess he was just mistaken
| TBreu007 | 04-04-2002 01:48 PM |
I know what you're referring to. Derek was describing the characteristics of the car, and he said because of the turbo, it has all the power of a V8.
It kills me how he gives the play-by-play inside the car.
Derek---"Okay I'm about to pass this Porsche in the corner and see how he pulls away from me in the straights." I love it! Speed's coverage of the race is to be commended.
I don't know how he can concentrate on racing and carry on a conversation at the same time...I guess it's called experience. After driving (and winning) in prototype cars for so long, the S4 must seem tame to him.
It kills me how he gives the play-by-play inside the car.
Derek---"Okay I'm about to pass this Porsche in the corner and see how he pulls away from me in the straights." I love it! Speed's coverage of the race is to be commended.
I don't know how he can concentrate on racing and carry on a conversation at the same time...I guess it's called experience. After driving (and winning) in prototype cars for so long, the S4 must seem tame to him.
| Ru fan | 04-04-2002 06:23 PM |
Bell's son also races, but in Trans-am though. His play-by-play is real cool. I gots my picture with him too!:D The Audi crew said that they use RS4 engines built by Cosworth in England. The engines are so over-built that they never have to open them up for the entire season. Besides, they just race sprint races. About the only thing they do between races is check some of the wear items such as brake pads, and clutches. I wonder when the new body style will replace the current cars.
TBreu007-
Wasn't that the first race of the season where he was chasing the white Porsche cup car? Did you see the Audi's lay-down a strip at the standing start? Wish the Subie tranny was that strong!!! That was a nice bit of racing, but the GT races need some new leaders. Sick of the Audi/Acura domination in the first two spots.
Later,
Seth E.:alien:
TBreu007-
Wasn't that the first race of the season where he was chasing the white Porsche cup car? Did you see the Audi's lay-down a strip at the standing start? Wish the Subie tranny was that strong!!! That was a nice bit of racing, but the GT races need some new leaders. Sick of the Audi/Acura domination in the first two spots.
Later,
Seth E.:alien:
| TBreu007 | 04-05-2002 10:28 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Ru fan [/i]
[B]TBreu007-
Wasn't that the first race of the season where he was chasing the white Porsche cup car? Did you see the Audi's lay-down a strip at the standing start? Wish the Subie tranny was that strong!!! That was a nice bit of racing, but the GT races need some new leaders. Sick of the Audi/Acura domination in the first two spots.
Later,
Seth E.:alien: [/B][/QUOTE]
Yes, that was the first race at Sebring.
If we had that much power, we would FRY our clutch. I've smoked my clutch on a launch with just ~280hp.
About the GT races needing new leaders...agreed! But just like most any race series...it's all about the Benjamins...Realtime and Audi do good things for the series and bring a lot of visibility to it, so until I can build a RA for WC competition (I guess I'd have to win the lottery first :D ) we won't have anyone competing for the front for a while. McMillan in the M3 used to be a competitor, but he kind of fell off at Sebring.
[B]TBreu007-
Wasn't that the first race of the season where he was chasing the white Porsche cup car? Did you see the Audi's lay-down a strip at the standing start? Wish the Subie tranny was that strong!!! That was a nice bit of racing, but the GT races need some new leaders. Sick of the Audi/Acura domination in the first two spots.
Later,
Seth E.:alien: [/B][/QUOTE]
Yes, that was the first race at Sebring.
If we had that much power, we would FRY our clutch. I've smoked my clutch on a launch with just ~280hp.
About the GT races needing new leaders...agreed! But just like most any race series...it's all about the Benjamins...Realtime and Audi do good things for the series and bring a lot of visibility to it, so until I can build a RA for WC competition (I guess I'd have to win the lottery first :D ) we won't have anyone competing for the front for a while. McMillan in the M3 used to be a competitor, but he kind of fell off at Sebring.
| Pilot | 04-05-2002 11:19 AM |
Sometihng you guys need to remember about the Speed World Challenge series is that GT allows some significant modifications. Not to mention some of these cars have never been street legal. A Porsche 996 GT3 Cup is a pure race car. Factory built but nevertheless you can't buy one for road use. Also the GT3 cup is allowed to us the GT3 RS spec engine (420 hp vs 380). Subaru has enough racing stuff to make a competitive WRX they just have to figure out which of their rally homologation cars is the right one to start with.
I think a properly built RS could do very well in Touring series as well. The front drive cars have a weight advantage, but the RS has a traction/handling advantage. I'd love to build one but I've got my hands full with my normal life right now. Maybe Cobb will here the call...
-Drew
I think a properly built RS could do very well in Touring series as well. The front drive cars have a weight advantage, but the RS has a traction/handling advantage. I'd love to build one but I've got my hands full with my normal life right now. Maybe Cobb will here the call...
-Drew
| Ru fan | 04-05-2002 02:13 PM |
I think that an RS in Touring would be the better way to go. If in theory, if one wanted to build a car up to compete in the class, where could all the rules and specs be found? What about the AWD? I am guessing that it would need to put out around 220 to have a chance against the others in the Touring Class. Man, would that be sweet though!:)
Later,
Seth E.:alien:
Later,
Seth E.:alien:
| Cobb Tuning | 04-05-2002 08:39 PM |
We would love to be involved with any WC effort campaigning a Subaru model (NA or Turbo). Currently, we do not have the time or the resources to put into fielding our own car, but we have been approached and have expressed interest in developing an engine program for the series.
We are already supporting a nationally competitive SCCA Pro Solo/Solo2 WRX effort, as well as acting as engine supplier to a nationally winning Open Class Pro-Rally Subaru WRX. Combined with our other non-racing projects, our plates are rather full.
If a team with realistic financial support is interested in campaigning a 2.5RS/TS model in the Touring class, we definitely feel as though we could give them a competitive advantage with our engine program.
Anxiously awaiting,
Trey
COBB Tuning
[url]www.cobbtuning.com[/url]
We are already supporting a nationally competitive SCCA Pro Solo/Solo2 WRX effort, as well as acting as engine supplier to a nationally winning Open Class Pro-Rally Subaru WRX. Combined with our other non-racing projects, our plates are rather full.
If a team with realistic financial support is interested in campaigning a 2.5RS/TS model in the Touring class, we definitely feel as though we could give them a competitive advantage with our engine program.
Anxiously awaiting,
Trey
COBB Tuning
[url]www.cobbtuning.com[/url]
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