| boxer02 | 05-13-2003 06:35 PM |
carbon fiber hood---
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ok, so why would a carbon fiber hood move you to SM,
IF it weighed the same as stock.....
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Originally posted by boxer02
13.2
A. ... and other APPEARANCE, comfort and convenience modifications which have NO EFFECT ON performance and/or handling and DO NOT MATERIALLY REDUCE THE WEIGHT of the car are permitted.
why would that move you to SM? if the weight and shape is the same....
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point taken... you might want to ask in the motorsports forum...
IF it weighed the same as stock.....
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Originally posted by boxer02
13.2
A. ... and other APPEARANCE, comfort and convenience modifications which have NO EFFECT ON performance and/or handling and DO NOT MATERIALLY REDUCE THE WEIGHT of the car are permitted.
why would that move you to SM? if the weight and shape is the same....
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point taken... you might want to ask in the motorsports forum...
| boxer02 | 05-13-2003 07:51 PM |
10 LOOKS AND NO REPLIES ~ mR. HOPPE ARE YOU OUT THERE
dang caps lock...
dang caps lock...
| KC | 05-13-2003 08:02 PM |
Dunno really. The misconception could be that it may be lighter. If you can prove it's the same weight (exactly probably) then you may have a case.
I do know that STS/STX is for street legal cars. CF hoods really aren't totally legal because they do not go through crash tests. (They don't have crumple capability, they just go shooting through the windshield). I think that's another reason they're not legal.
--kC
I do know that STS/STX is for street legal cars. CF hoods really aren't totally legal because they do not go through crash tests. (They don't have crumple capability, they just go shooting through the windshield). I think that's another reason they're not legal.
--kC
| ChrisW | 05-13-2003 08:53 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KC [/i]
[B](They don't have crumple capability, they just go shooting through the windshield).
--kC [/B][/QUOTE]
hmmm..... that's a pleasent thought:(
[B](They don't have crumple capability, they just go shooting through the windshield).
--kC [/B][/QUOTE]
hmmm..... that's a pleasent thought:(
| boxer02 | 05-14-2003 01:41 PM |
i would invest in hood pins, not sure how much they would help, but better than nothing...
| WagonMonster | 05-14-2003 01:46 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by boxer02 [/i]
[B]i would invest in hood pins, not sure how much they would help, but better than nothing... [/B][/QUOTE]
In a front end collision, hood pins aren't going to help you.
**chop**
[B]i would invest in hood pins, not sure how much they would help, but better than nothing... [/B][/QUOTE]
In a front end collision, hood pins aren't going to help you.
**chop**
| boxer02 | 05-14-2003 01:50 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Planet Telex [/i]
[B]
In a front end collision, hood pins aren't going to help you.
**chop** [/B][/QUOTE]
so, i will avoid front end collision.
:rolleyes:
still wondering about stock class....
i have sent an email out to the scca to find out what they will say...
[B]
In a front end collision, hood pins aren't going to help you.
**chop** [/B][/QUOTE]
so, i will avoid front end collision.
:rolleyes:
still wondering about stock class....
i have sent an email out to the scca to find out what they will say...
| STX_REX | 05-14-2003 02:48 PM |
If it looks the same as stock, and weighs the same as stock, why not just get the stock hood painted to look like carbon fiber? :lol:
| Scoobyslack1 | 05-14-2003 03:53 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by STX_REX [/i]
[B]If it looks the same as stock, and weighs the same as stock, why not just get the stock hood painted to look like carbon fiber? :lol: [/B][/QUOTE]
good question :p
originally this came from people w/RS's that got CF hoods that were 1/2 the weight of the stock one...which is the only reason I can see for spending $400+ on a hood. :rolleyes:
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[B]If it looks the same as stock, and weighs the same as stock, why not just get the stock hood painted to look like carbon fiber? :lol: [/B][/QUOTE]
good question :p
originally this came from people w/RS's that got CF hoods that were 1/2 the weight of the stock one...which is the only reason I can see for spending $400+ on a hood. :rolleyes:
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| boxer02 | 05-14-2003 06:44 PM |
well, i live in central illinois, which if you have been watching the news lately had 4 tornadoes rip through it. personally, the only damage i had was to my car. $1600 worth of damage to entire car. worst of it is on the 'lightweight' hood.
so my thought is, use the money the insurance company gave me to get the hood fixed, and buy a carbon fiber hood. i think the black CF would look pretty good on the silver car.
but my priority is autoX, so I'm not going to get the hood if I can't stay in DS.
so my thought is, use the money the insurance company gave me to get the hood fixed, and buy a carbon fiber hood. i think the black CF would look pretty good on the silver car.
but my priority is autoX, so I'm not going to get the hood if I can't stay in DS.
| bvondran | 05-14-2003 11:05 PM |
I guess you need to clarify whether you are asking if you CAN swap to a carbon fiber hood and remain in DS, or you're just remarking about the rule.
The simple answer to the first question is no, you can't replace the stock hood with a carbon hood, be it lighter/heavier/or the same weight and remain in DS.
"Except for modifications authorized below, Stock Category cars must be run as specified by the factory with only standard equipment as defined by these Rules. This requirement refers not just to individual parts, but to combinations thereof which which would have been ordered together on a specific car. Any other modifications or equipment will place the car in Street Prepared, Prepared or Modified Categories as appropriate. " [URL=http://www.moutons.org/sccasolo/Rules/stock.html]Stock Class Rules[/URL]
I believe 13.2 A would be viewed more as dealing with shift knobs or stereos or other things that really don't affect the performance of the car and might reasonably expect to be subsitituted on a car. Also keep in mind that at a National event, if protested, you would have the burden of proving that the hood conforms to ALL manufacturer specifications, including weight and dimensions.
Onto the other questions, as to why it is not okay to replace hoods, I think that's kind of a flaw in the SCCA's rulebook. I mean, in stock, a car owner can add $1,000/corner double-adjustable remote-reservoir shocks, Hoosiers and rebuilt motors right off the showroom floor, but you take that roofrack off and you're bumped to street prepared! Hah!
Brian
The simple answer to the first question is no, you can't replace the stock hood with a carbon hood, be it lighter/heavier/or the same weight and remain in DS.
"Except for modifications authorized below, Stock Category cars must be run as specified by the factory with only standard equipment as defined by these Rules. This requirement refers not just to individual parts, but to combinations thereof which which would have been ordered together on a specific car. Any other modifications or equipment will place the car in Street Prepared, Prepared or Modified Categories as appropriate. " [URL=http://www.moutons.org/sccasolo/Rules/stock.html]Stock Class Rules[/URL]
I believe 13.2 A would be viewed more as dealing with shift knobs or stereos or other things that really don't affect the performance of the car and might reasonably expect to be subsitituted on a car. Also keep in mind that at a National event, if protested, you would have the burden of proving that the hood conforms to ALL manufacturer specifications, including weight and dimensions.
Onto the other questions, as to why it is not okay to replace hoods, I think that's kind of a flaw in the SCCA's rulebook. I mean, in stock, a car owner can add $1,000/corner double-adjustable remote-reservoir shocks, Hoosiers and rebuilt motors right off the showroom floor, but you take that roofrack off and you're bumped to street prepared! Hah!
Brian
| KC | 05-15-2003 09:13 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by bvondran [/i]
[B]Also keep in mind that at a National event, if protested, you would have the burden of proving that the hood conforms to ALL manufacturer specifications, including weight and dimensions.
[/B][/QUOTE]Ummmno. The protestor must prove it doesn't conform, by the posting of the bond. The owner doesn't have a say in the matter. It's all verified independently of the owner through a specialist or shop, or dealer.
But the rules say it must be stock, therefore, it must be stock period. You would lose that protest.
[B]Also keep in mind that at a National event, if protested, you would have the burden of proving that the hood conforms to ALL manufacturer specifications, including weight and dimensions.
[/B][/QUOTE]Ummmno. The protestor must prove it doesn't conform, by the posting of the bond. The owner doesn't have a say in the matter. It's all verified independently of the owner through a specialist or shop, or dealer.
But the rules say it must be stock, therefore, it must be stock period. You would lose that protest.
| KC | 05-15-2003 09:16 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by bvondran [/i]
[B]IOnto the other questions, as to why it is not okay to replace hoods, I think that's kind of a flaw in the SCCA's rulebook. I mean, in stock, a car owner can add $1,000/corner double-adjustable remote-reservoir shocks, Hoosiers and rebuilt motors right off the showroom floor, but you take that roofrack off and you're bumped to street prepared! Hah![/B][/QUOTE]Performance parts vs reduction in weight. If a wagon can remove the roof rails, where's the like rule that can apply to all the other cars? There isn't. Therefore, the playing field is equal in this regard.
[B]IOnto the other questions, as to why it is not okay to replace hoods, I think that's kind of a flaw in the SCCA's rulebook. I mean, in stock, a car owner can add $1,000/corner double-adjustable remote-reservoir shocks, Hoosiers and rebuilt motors right off the showroom floor, but you take that roofrack off and you're bumped to street prepared! Hah![/B][/QUOTE]Performance parts vs reduction in weight. If a wagon can remove the roof rails, where's the like rule that can apply to all the other cars? There isn't. Therefore, the playing field is equal in this regard.
| boxer02 | 05-15-2003 11:49 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KC [/i]
[B]Ummmno. The protestor must prove it doesn't conform, by the posting of the bond. The owner doesn't have a say in the matter. It's all verified independently of the owner through a specialist or shop, or dealer.
But the rules say it must be stock, therefore, it must be stock period. You would lose that protest. [/B][/QUOTE]
I don't see where the rules say the hood must be stock, but I do see where it says I can swap things out for appearance, for instance, I have a different shift knob on my car, does that bump me out of stock? no, even though it isn't stock, it is still acceptable as an appearance modification.
[B]Ummmno. The protestor must prove it doesn't conform, by the posting of the bond. The owner doesn't have a say in the matter. It's all verified independently of the owner through a specialist or shop, or dealer.
But the rules say it must be stock, therefore, it must be stock period. You would lose that protest. [/B][/QUOTE]
I don't see where the rules say the hood must be stock, but I do see where it says I can swap things out for appearance, for instance, I have a different shift knob on my car, does that bump me out of stock? no, even though it isn't stock, it is still acceptable as an appearance modification.
| KC | 05-15-2003 11:58 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by boxer02 [/i]
[B]
I don't see where the rules say the hood must be stock, but I do see where it says I can swap things out for appearance, for instance, I have a different shift knob on my car, does that bump me out of stock? no, even though it isn't stock, it is still acceptable as an appearance modification. [/B][/QUOTE]If it doesn't say you can, then you cannot make the modification. It's an inclusive ruleset, not an exclusive one. It tells you the allowed mods. Anything else is not considered legal.
Shift knobs are only allowed if they were considered a port installed option on some cars, and at that, only those as supplied by the dealer. (See the huge thread at the top of the forum for further explanations of the rules).
It would be a very hard sell to call the CF hood a 'comfort/convenience' item .
--kC
[B]
I don't see where the rules say the hood must be stock, but I do see where it says I can swap things out for appearance, for instance, I have a different shift knob on my car, does that bump me out of stock? no, even though it isn't stock, it is still acceptable as an appearance modification. [/B][/QUOTE]If it doesn't say you can, then you cannot make the modification. It's an inclusive ruleset, not an exclusive one. It tells you the allowed mods. Anything else is not considered legal.
Shift knobs are only allowed if they were considered a port installed option on some cars, and at that, only those as supplied by the dealer. (See the huge thread at the top of the forum for further explanations of the rules).
It would be a very hard sell to call the CF hood a 'comfort/convenience' item .
--kC
| boxer02 | 05-15-2003 01:32 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KC [/i]
[B]If it doesn't say you can, then you cannot make the modification. It's an inclusive ruleset, not an exclusive one. It tells you the allowed mods. Anything else is not considered legal.
Shift knobs are only allowed if they were considered a port installed option on some cars, and at that, only those as supplied by the dealer. (See the huge thread at the top of the forum for further explanations of the rules).
It would be a very hard sell to call the CF hood a 'comfort/convenience' item .
--kC [/B][/QUOTE]
thanks for the info. i have read the thread at the top, and actually i was the one who wrote to the SCCA about the WRX short shifter, so I do know a bit about the rules.
I wouldn't be trying to pass the carbon fiber hood off as a 'comfort and convenience' item, I would be doing it as an appearance item ~ which the rules read '...appearance, comfort and conveniance modifications which have no effect on performance and/or handling and do not materially reduce the weight of the car are permitted." an important note here is that I would be keeping the stock hood scoop.
Now it seems to me that ordinarily, a carbon fiber hood would reduce the weight on the front end, but since the WRX have the lightweight alloy hood, I think the carbon fiber hood may actually weigh 2-3 pounds more than the stock hood.
I have written an e-mail to a guy over at the SCCA asking what they thought.
Personally, I think it is within the rules to do such. I'll post here when I find out more.
Also, a shift KNOB can't be switched? was this discussed somewhere on the board? I was under the impression they were legal....
[B]If it doesn't say you can, then you cannot make the modification. It's an inclusive ruleset, not an exclusive one. It tells you the allowed mods. Anything else is not considered legal.
Shift knobs are only allowed if they were considered a port installed option on some cars, and at that, only those as supplied by the dealer. (See the huge thread at the top of the forum for further explanations of the rules).
It would be a very hard sell to call the CF hood a 'comfort/convenience' item .
--kC [/B][/QUOTE]
thanks for the info. i have read the thread at the top, and actually i was the one who wrote to the SCCA about the WRX short shifter, so I do know a bit about the rules.
I wouldn't be trying to pass the carbon fiber hood off as a 'comfort and convenience' item, I would be doing it as an appearance item ~ which the rules read '...appearance, comfort and conveniance modifications which have no effect on performance and/or handling and do not materially reduce the weight of the car are permitted." an important note here is that I would be keeping the stock hood scoop.
Now it seems to me that ordinarily, a carbon fiber hood would reduce the weight on the front end, but since the WRX have the lightweight alloy hood, I think the carbon fiber hood may actually weigh 2-3 pounds more than the stock hood.
I have written an e-mail to a guy over at the SCCA asking what they thought.
Personally, I think it is within the rules to do such. I'll post here when I find out more.
Also, a shift KNOB can't be switched? was this discussed somewhere on the board? I was under the impression they were legal....
| bvondran | 05-15-2003 11:44 PM |
[QUOTE]Performance parts vs reduction in weight. If a wagon can remove the roof rails, where's the like rule that can apply to all the other cars? There isn't. Therefore, the playing field is equal in this regard.[/QUOTE]
Certainly wasn't trying to suggest a rule should be written to allow the WRX wagon to remove the roof rails, just pointing my view of the view of the somewhat ironic rules that allow you to spend $4k on shocks, plus add tires that even say "Don't drive on the street" and then take rebuild your motor for your brand new Z06, and call it Stock. But, you take off the roof rails of that WRX wagon and slam, you are no longer a stock class car! Keep in mind I drive a 2.5RS in STS and have no interest in the stock classes, just my observation.
Certainly wasn't trying to suggest a rule should be written to allow the WRX wagon to remove the roof rails, just pointing my view of the view of the somewhat ironic rules that allow you to spend $4k on shocks, plus add tires that even say "Don't drive on the street" and then take rebuild your motor for your brand new Z06, and call it Stock. But, you take off the roof rails of that WRX wagon and slam, you are no longer a stock class car! Keep in mind I drive a 2.5RS in STS and have no interest in the stock classes, just my observation.
| bvondran | 05-15-2003 11:54 PM |
I think you're reading into the rule for an allowance that doesn't exist. By you're reading, body kits would be allowed in stock because they don't subtract weight from the car and they don't affect the handling of the car. However, body kits are not legal in stock, as witnessed by the specific allowance made for body kits in STS, which is inclusive of the stock ruleset and then adds to them.
I still think 13.2.A may speak more to interior type items that you may change, as well as adding striping to the car (racing stripes) or other graphics. I'm farily sure that a carbon hood doesn't match the intent of the rules.
I still think 13.2.A may speak more to interior type items that you may change, as well as adding striping to the car (racing stripes) or other graphics. I'm farily sure that a carbon hood doesn't match the intent of the rules.
| boxer02 | 05-16-2003 01:27 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by bvondran [/i]
[B]I think you're reading into the rule for an allowance that doesn't exist. By you're reading, body kits would be allowed in stock because they don't subtract weight from the car and they don't affect the handling of the car. However, body kits are not legal in stock, as witnessed by the specific allowance made for body kits in STS, which is inclusive of the stock ruleset and then adds to them.
I still think 13.2.A may speak more to interior type items that you may change, as well as adding striping to the car (racing stripes) or other graphics. I'm farily sure that a carbon hood doesn't match the intent of the rules. [/B][/QUOTE]
body kits wouldnt be allowed, because they would affect the aerodynamics of the vehicle, carbon fiber hood wouldn't affect aerodynamics if it was the same shape as stock.
[B]I think you're reading into the rule for an allowance that doesn't exist. By you're reading, body kits would be allowed in stock because they don't subtract weight from the car and they don't affect the handling of the car. However, body kits are not legal in stock, as witnessed by the specific allowance made for body kits in STS, which is inclusive of the stock ruleset and then adds to them.
I still think 13.2.A may speak more to interior type items that you may change, as well as adding striping to the car (racing stripes) or other graphics. I'm farily sure that a carbon hood doesn't match the intent of the rules. [/B][/QUOTE]
body kits wouldnt be allowed, because they would affect the aerodynamics of the vehicle, carbon fiber hood wouldn't affect aerodynamics if it was the same shape as stock.
| KC | 05-16-2003 01:39 PM |
[url]http://www.scca.org[/url]
On there is a link someplace to the Technical Director, who would be the person to ask, and he would forward it on to the appropriate committe.
However, Stock means ummm STOCK. Yes there are certain things cars can do like struts, etc.. that ALL stock class competitors can do.
Another way of looking at it:
Not everyone can replace a hood with a CF, and have it remain the same weight as the original.
If they allow a CF hood for the WRX, then it would also have to be allowed to all cars in Stock. Then, you're giving other cars an unfair advantage becuase it will materially reduce the weight by 50%-75% on some cars.
Accept that CF will not be allowed in stock because the rules do not say it's allowed and leave it at that. If you want to persue the issue, by all means, write to the SCCA.
--kC
On there is a link someplace to the Technical Director, who would be the person to ask, and he would forward it on to the appropriate committe.
However, Stock means ummm STOCK. Yes there are certain things cars can do like struts, etc.. that ALL stock class competitors can do.
Another way of looking at it:
Not everyone can replace a hood with a CF, and have it remain the same weight as the original.
If they allow a CF hood for the WRX, then it would also have to be allowed to all cars in Stock. Then, you're giving other cars an unfair advantage becuase it will materially reduce the weight by 50%-75% on some cars.
Accept that CF will not be allowed in stock because the rules do not say it's allowed and leave it at that. If you want to persue the issue, by all means, write to the SCCA.
--kC
| boxer02 | 05-16-2003 01:50 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KC [/i]
[B][url]http://www.scca.org[/url]
On there is a link someplace to the Technical Director, who would be the person to ask, and he would forward it on to the appropriate committe.
Another way of looking at it:
Not everyone can replace a hood with a CF, and have it remain the same weight as the original.
If they allow a CF hood for the WRX, then it would also have to be allowed to all cars in Stock. Then, you're giving other cars an unfair advantage becuase it will materially reduce the weight by 50%-75% on some cars.
--kC [/B][/QUOTE]
i've sent an email to [email][email�protected][/email] back on the 13th, so we'll see what happens.
and you do have a good point.
[B][url]http://www.scca.org[/url]
On there is a link someplace to the Technical Director, who would be the person to ask, and he would forward it on to the appropriate committe.
Another way of looking at it:
Not everyone can replace a hood with a CF, and have it remain the same weight as the original.
If they allow a CF hood for the WRX, then it would also have to be allowed to all cars in Stock. Then, you're giving other cars an unfair advantage becuase it will materially reduce the weight by 50%-75% on some cars.
--kC [/B][/QUOTE]
i've sent an email to [email][email�protected][/email] back on the 13th, so we'll see what happens.
and you do have a good point.
| BOY | 05-16-2003 03:52 PM |
Boxer02, I'm usually the first guy to stand up and complain about the SCCAs classing/rule structure but this time I'm gonna agree with KC. Although the weight differenct may be immaterial, it is not a stock part and cannot be confused with a dealer available optional part. Shocks/tires/filters/exhaust are wear items, the R-compound allowance (which is one of my BIGGEST complaints) ticks me off but I do see the justification: you're racing, why not use "race tires". Sorry, I just don't see any justification that'd make a CF/FG/etc hood legal.
| Rattler | 05-17-2003 12:01 PM |
Paint it and keep your hood closed.:D
| robbieg | 05-17-2003 03:35 PM |
The reason I got a CF Hood, was my stock hood was trashed by hail... and so I took the money my insurance company gave me for the part and for labor for the stock, and bought a CF Hood.
| Rattler | 05-17-2003 07:10 PM |
Ice did a number on mine a couple months ago and I contemplated getting one. I got too anxious though and just had my dealer fix it.
| KC | 05-18-2003 09:00 AM |
I understand that about the aluminium and having a CF hood would make it last longer in hail-prone areas. However, that choice for you to replace it with CF was *your choice* to do so.
You could have gone with another stock aluminum hood. If it got damaged again, would the insurance company not cover that one also and replace it?
--kC
You could have gone with another stock aluminum hood. If it got damaged again, would the insurance company not cover that one also and replace it?
--kC
| Brad Nely | 05-18-2003 03:11 PM |
Carbon Fiber
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A few things about REAL carbon fiber.
Real carbon fiber has many layers. I have seen many parts, like my friends trunk on her RS, that are really just fiberglass with a final layer of carbon fiber weave on the outside for looks. Then of course the put a fancy layer of resin.
Carbon fiber is generally as strong as aluminum and lighter than aluminum, but in places it needs to be stiff, so they add stiffeners to hoods and that adds weight. So the hoods end up about the same weight in the end.
I work in the aircraft industry, and we test parts in every kind of carbon fiber known, even some you will never see, like that on the F-22 fighter plane and the JSF. So for me, carbon fiber looks is so ugly and a waste of money.
I have seen a few people locally that sell on eBay, they sell real carbon fiber sheets that are very thin (.030-.060) and can be cut easily and in some cases bent to form profiles on your dash.
I recently bought a 2003 WRX. I made my own parts out of scrap from work to fit my old GTI. (Yes, I switched to WRX cause it rules).
Real carbon fiber has many layers. I have seen many parts, like my friends trunk on her RS, that are really just fiberglass with a final layer of carbon fiber weave on the outside for looks. Then of course the put a fancy layer of resin.
Carbon fiber is generally as strong as aluminum and lighter than aluminum, but in places it needs to be stiff, so they add stiffeners to hoods and that adds weight. So the hoods end up about the same weight in the end.
I work in the aircraft industry, and we test parts in every kind of carbon fiber known, even some you will never see, like that on the F-22 fighter plane and the JSF. So for me, carbon fiber looks is so ugly and a waste of money.
I have seen a few people locally that sell on eBay, they sell real carbon fiber sheets that are very thin (.030-.060) and can be cut easily and in some cases bent to form profiles on your dash.
I recently bought a 2003 WRX. I made my own parts out of scrap from work to fit my old GTI. (Yes, I switched to WRX cause it rules).
| boxer02 | 06-01-2003 04:11 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KC [/i]
[B]I understand that about the aluminium and having a CF hood would make it last longer in hail-prone areas. However, that choice for you to replace it with CF was *your choice* to do so.
You could have gone with another stock aluminum hood. If it got damaged again, would the insurance company not cover that one also and replace it?
--kC [/B][/QUOTE]
haven't done it yet. i just think i should be able to.
[B]I understand that about the aluminium and having a CF hood would make it last longer in hail-prone areas. However, that choice for you to replace it with CF was *your choice* to do so.
You could have gone with another stock aluminum hood. If it got damaged again, would the insurance company not cover that one also and replace it?
--kC [/B][/QUOTE]
haven't done it yet. i just think i should be able to.
| Orion | 06-01-2003 05:09 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by boxer02 [/i]
[B]
haven't done it yet. i just think i should be able to. [/B][/QUOTE]
i'm late to the party here and i'll simply say, i don't think you should be able to in a stock class. i may disagree with the allowance of fancy struts and R compound like many others do, but the rest of the car needs to be all OEM.
[B]
haven't done it yet. i just think i should be able to. [/B][/QUOTE]
i'm late to the party here and i'll simply say, i don't think you should be able to in a stock class. i may disagree with the allowance of fancy struts and R compound like many others do, but the rest of the car needs to be all OEM.
| KC | 06-01-2003 05:10 PM |
Has Doug gotten back to you yet?
| randy zimmer | 06-02-2003 10:13 AM |
why do you even ask these things?
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Let's use another example and see what you think.
I had a cam go bad, so I bought ones from Isky which won't fail. Am I stock?
why do you even ask these things?
rz
I had a cam go bad, so I bought ones from Isky which won't fail. Am I stock?
why do you even ask these things?
rz
| BOY | 06-02-2003 10:49 AM |
If the weight difference is negligable (within, say, a lb or two) I see the argument. If he took a single layer of CF and applied it to his stock hood, would he be illegal for stock? Again, if and only if (IFF for the math geeks) there is [b]NO[/b] weight savings then I'd say a fool and his money are soon parted and let him run.
| KC | 06-02-2003 10:52 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by BOY [/i]
[B]If the weight difference is negligable (within, say, a lb or two) I see the argument. If he took a single layer of CF and applied it to his stock hood, would he be illegal for stock? Again, if and only if (IFF for the math geeks) there is [b]NO[/b] weight savings then I'd say a fool and his money are soon parted and let him run. [/B][/QUOTE]"If it doesn't say you can, you can't." No allowance in the rules, ergo: illegal.
Remember, stock is a class where you can't even change shift knobs... and you're going to let people with CF hoods in?
If this one person does it and it's deemed legal, then ALL cars should have the same opportunity, for the same reasons, and there are some that WILL benefit with such a rule, some won't. But just saying this mod is allowed only on this car will not fly.
Sorry, nope.. pine all you want for it. I see not it happening, I do. :D
[B]If the weight difference is negligable (within, say, a lb or two) I see the argument. If he took a single layer of CF and applied it to his stock hood, would he be illegal for stock? Again, if and only if (IFF for the math geeks) there is [b]NO[/b] weight savings then I'd say a fool and his money are soon parted and let him run. [/B][/QUOTE]"If it doesn't say you can, you can't." No allowance in the rules, ergo: illegal.
Remember, stock is a class where you can't even change shift knobs... and you're going to let people with CF hoods in?
If this one person does it and it's deemed legal, then ALL cars should have the same opportunity, for the same reasons, and there are some that WILL benefit with such a rule, some won't. But just saying this mod is allowed only on this car will not fly.
Sorry, nope.. pine all you want for it. I see not it happening, I do. :D
| BOY | 06-02-2003 11:05 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KC [/i]
[B]"If it doesn't say you can, you can't." No allowance in the rules, ergo: illegal.
Remember, stock is a class where you can't even change shift knobs... and you're going to let people with CF hoods in?
If this one person does it and it's deemed legal, then ALL cars should have the same opportunity, for the same reasons, and there are some that WILL benefit with such a rule, some won't. But just saying this mod is allowed only on this car will not fly.
Sorry, nope.. pine all you want for it. I see not it happening, I do. :D [/B][/QUOTE]
I agree to a point... as I said, if there is zero, zip, ziltch, no advantage (i.e. weight savings) then I see a valid argument. Of course, then the point has to be made... why??
[B]"If it doesn't say you can, you can't." No allowance in the rules, ergo: illegal.
Remember, stock is a class where you can't even change shift knobs... and you're going to let people with CF hoods in?
If this one person does it and it's deemed legal, then ALL cars should have the same opportunity, for the same reasons, and there are some that WILL benefit with such a rule, some won't. But just saying this mod is allowed only on this car will not fly.
Sorry, nope.. pine all you want for it. I see not it happening, I do. :D [/B][/QUOTE]
I agree to a point... as I said, if there is zero, zip, ziltch, no advantage (i.e. weight savings) then I see a valid argument. Of course, then the point has to be made... why??
| boxer02 | 06-02-2003 06:46 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KC [/i]
[B]"If it doesn't say you can, you can't." No allowance in the rules, ergo: illegal.
Remember, stock is a class where you can't even change shift knobs... and you're going to let people with CF hoods in?
If this one person does it and it's deemed legal, then ALL cars should have the same opportunity, for the same reasons, and there are some that WILL benefit with such a rule, some won't. But just saying this mod is allowed only on this car will not fly.
Sorry, nope.. pine all you want for it. I see not it happening, I do. :D [/B][/QUOTE]
first ~ no response from doug yet
second ~ certain vehicles have 4 wheel drive, so does that mean ALL vehicles can now have 4 wheel drive, NO. certain vehicles have elctronic shocks, so does that mean all vehicles can have those, NO.
so your one person then ALL argument doesnt even come close to holding water.
if there is no benefit to me to going to carbon fiber, then why wouldn't it be allowed?
i beleive the intent of the 'appearance, comfort and convenience modifications which have no effect on performance and/or handling and do not materially reduce the weight of the car are permitted' part of rule "13.2 A" clearly allows for modifications to your vehicle, while still staying in stock class.
now, if a car with a heavy hood had replaced it with a CF hood, they would have 'materially reduced the weight' of the vehicle, therefore eliminating its elgibility from stock class. however, if a car with a lightweight hood replaces it with an equally weighte CF hood, they would NOT be eliminated within this rule.
[B]"If it doesn't say you can, you can't." No allowance in the rules, ergo: illegal.
Remember, stock is a class where you can't even change shift knobs... and you're going to let people with CF hoods in?
If this one person does it and it's deemed legal, then ALL cars should have the same opportunity, for the same reasons, and there are some that WILL benefit with such a rule, some won't. But just saying this mod is allowed only on this car will not fly.
Sorry, nope.. pine all you want for it. I see not it happening, I do. :D [/B][/QUOTE]
first ~ no response from doug yet
second ~ certain vehicles have 4 wheel drive, so does that mean ALL vehicles can now have 4 wheel drive, NO. certain vehicles have elctronic shocks, so does that mean all vehicles can have those, NO.
so your one person then ALL argument doesnt even come close to holding water.
if there is no benefit to me to going to carbon fiber, then why wouldn't it be allowed?
i beleive the intent of the 'appearance, comfort and convenience modifications which have no effect on performance and/or handling and do not materially reduce the weight of the car are permitted' part of rule "13.2 A" clearly allows for modifications to your vehicle, while still staying in stock class.
now, if a car with a heavy hood had replaced it with a CF hood, they would have 'materially reduced the weight' of the vehicle, therefore eliminating its elgibility from stock class. however, if a car with a lightweight hood replaces it with an equally weighte CF hood, they would NOT be eliminated within this rule.
| StuBeck | 06-02-2003 07:06 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by boxer02 [/i]
[B]
second ~ certain vehicles have 4 wheel drive, so does that mean ALL vehicles can now have 4 wheel drive, NO. certain vehicles have elctronic shocks, so does that mean all vehicles can have those, NO.
so your one person then ALL argument doesnt even come close to holding water.
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But these cars come stock with these features. You can't add a feature to a car and still call it stock.
[B]
second ~ certain vehicles have 4 wheel drive, so does that mean ALL vehicles can now have 4 wheel drive, NO. certain vehicles have elctronic shocks, so does that mean all vehicles can have those, NO.
so your one person then ALL argument doesnt even come close to holding water.
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But these cars come stock with these features. You can't add a feature to a car and still call it stock.
| KC | 06-02-2003 09:17 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by boxer02 [/i]
[B]now, if a car with a heavy hood had replaced it with a CF hood, they would have 'materially reduced the weight' of the vehicle, therefore eliminating its elgibility from stock class. however, if a car with a lightweight hood replaces it with an equally weighte CF hood, they would NOT be eliminated within this rule. [/B][/QUOTE]*Sigh*
You know what... I really give up. We can sit here and argue until the cows come home.
It's not even my battle.
It's the battle of your competitors and the protest committe.
If you can prove the car came with the hood from the factory, or it was an option in the parts catelog at the dealer foryour make, model and trim, good luck winning in a protest.
--kC
[B]now, if a car with a heavy hood had replaced it with a CF hood, they would have 'materially reduced the weight' of the vehicle, therefore eliminating its elgibility from stock class. however, if a car with a lightweight hood replaces it with an equally weighte CF hood, they would NOT be eliminated within this rule. [/B][/QUOTE]*Sigh*
You know what... I really give up. We can sit here and argue until the cows come home.
It's not even my battle.
It's the battle of your competitors and the protest committe.
If you can prove the car came with the hood from the factory, or it was an option in the parts catelog at the dealer foryour make, model and trim, good luck winning in a protest.
--kC
| bvondran | 06-03-2003 12:04 AM |
[QUOTE]second ~ certain vehicles have 4 wheel drive, so does that mean ALL vehicles can now have 4 wheel drive, NO. certain vehicles have elctronic shocks, so does that mean all vehicles can have those, NO.[/QUOTE]
Okay, not to be rude, but that's a pretty lame argument? Some Civics came with 1.6liter DOHC vtec motors and some didn't. Should other civics be able to bolt in the bigger motor? They can, in SP. You're argument is invalid because awd cars come from the factory with awd, just as corvettes come from the factory with V8's. Should neon's be allowed to swap in V8's? No, that is their FACTORY specification.
[QUOTE]i beleive the intent of the 'appearance, comfort and convenience modifications which have no effect on performance and/or handling and do not materially reduce the weight of the car are permitted' part of rule "13.2 A" clearly allows for modifications to your vehicle, while still staying in stock class. [/QUOTE]
I believe you will lose this argument with the vast majority of your cometitors laughing at you. Especially considering you CANNOT change to a carbon fiber hood in STS, yet the STS rules explicity state:
"17.1. AUTHORIZED MODIFICATIONS - STS
All Solo II Rules Stock Category allowances and the modifications that follow: " ([URL=www.moutons.org]Moutons[/URL]
Read that, ALL STOCK ALLOWANCES, plus street touring allowances, and still no carbon fiber hoods whether lighter, the same, or 100 pounds heavier.
So, in light of all that, I guess you're still gonna put that carbon fiber hood on and run stock class cause that's what you WANT to do no matter what the rules say.
Brian
Okay, not to be rude, but that's a pretty lame argument? Some Civics came with 1.6liter DOHC vtec motors and some didn't. Should other civics be able to bolt in the bigger motor? They can, in SP. You're argument is invalid because awd cars come from the factory with awd, just as corvettes come from the factory with V8's. Should neon's be allowed to swap in V8's? No, that is their FACTORY specification.
[QUOTE]i beleive the intent of the 'appearance, comfort and convenience modifications which have no effect on performance and/or handling and do not materially reduce the weight of the car are permitted' part of rule "13.2 A" clearly allows for modifications to your vehicle, while still staying in stock class. [/QUOTE]
I believe you will lose this argument with the vast majority of your cometitors laughing at you. Especially considering you CANNOT change to a carbon fiber hood in STS, yet the STS rules explicity state:
"17.1. AUTHORIZED MODIFICATIONS - STS
All Solo II Rules Stock Category allowances and the modifications that follow: " ([URL=www.moutons.org]Moutons[/URL]
Read that, ALL STOCK ALLOWANCES, plus street touring allowances, and still no carbon fiber hoods whether lighter, the same, or 100 pounds heavier.
So, in light of all that, I guess you're still gonna put that carbon fiber hood on and run stock class cause that's what you WANT to do no matter what the rules say.
Brian
| STX_REX | 06-03-2003 07:22 AM |
Carbon fiber overlay
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I think you would be allowed to add a layer or two of carbonfiber overtop of the stock hood. That would get you youre hail protection, and all you would be doing is adding weight to the car. Adding weight is perfectly legal, you could run with a trunk full of bowling balls if you wanted to.
That said, for much less money you could buy a small easy up tent to put over your car when hail is in the forecast.
That said, for much less money you could buy a small easy up tent to put over your car when hail is in the forecast.
| KC | 06-03-2003 07:57 AM |
Re: Carbon fiber overlay
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by STX_REX [/i]
[B]I think you would be allowed to add a layer or two of carbonfiber overtop of the stock hood. That would get you youre hail protection, and all you would be doing is adding weight to the car. Adding weight is perfectly legal, you could run with a trunk full of bowling balls if you wanted to.
That said, for much less money you could buy a small easy up tent to put over your car when hail is in the forecast. [/B][/QUOTE]Thought I was donw until I read this....
Please quote the rule in the rulebook where it's ok to add weight.
Thanks.
Your suggestion on coating it with a layer 'could' work tho. No different than those with decals on their car. It's just one large sticker, right? :D
[B]I think you would be allowed to add a layer or two of carbonfiber overtop of the stock hood. That would get you youre hail protection, and all you would be doing is adding weight to the car. Adding weight is perfectly legal, you could run with a trunk full of bowling balls if you wanted to.
That said, for much less money you could buy a small easy up tent to put over your car when hail is in the forecast. [/B][/QUOTE]Thought I was donw until I read this....
Please quote the rule in the rulebook where it's ok to add weight.
Thanks.
Your suggestion on coating it with a layer 'could' work tho. No different than those with decals on their car. It's just one large sticker, right? :D
| bvondran | 06-03-2003 08:10 AM |
It's okay to add weight???? So a front-heavy, front-engine, rear-wheel-drive car could add weight to the rear of the vehicle to help counter the STOCK balance of the chassis? It's not just adding weight you're talking about, sure, it might just be a hood for you. But then you have some guy at nationals who wants to balance his car a little better and bolts in some "balast" in the trunk. All they do is make the car heavier, so their legal right, and I'm sure you could paint them real pretty and call them a convenience/appearance item.
Brian
Brian
| boxer02 | 06-03-2003 09:10 AM |
Re: Re: Carbon fiber overlay
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KC [/i]
[B]Thought I was donw until I read this....
Please quote the rule in the rulebook where it's ok to add weight.
Thanks.
Your suggestion on coating it with a layer 'could' work tho. No different than those with decals on their car. It's just one large sticker, right? :D [/B][/QUOTE]
i agree with you on this one KC, you can't add weight.
and i also agree with you on the carbon fiber hood. i don't think it should be allowed in stock class. however, the way the rules are written, i believe that it would be [I]technically[/I] legal.
i still haven't gotten the hail damage fixed, and am patiently waiting for both doug gill and the dent repair guy to reply....
[B]Thought I was donw until I read this....
Please quote the rule in the rulebook where it's ok to add weight.
Thanks.
Your suggestion on coating it with a layer 'could' work tho. No different than those with decals on their car. It's just one large sticker, right? :D [/B][/QUOTE]
i agree with you on this one KC, you can't add weight.
and i also agree with you on the carbon fiber hood. i don't think it should be allowed in stock class. however, the way the rules are written, i believe that it would be [I]technically[/I] legal.
i still haven't gotten the hail damage fixed, and am patiently waiting for both doug gill and the dent repair guy to reply....
| boxer02 | 06-03-2003 09:12 AM |
i guess the bottom line is what does the 'appearance, comfort and convenience' rule cover, and at what point does it end?
| Orion | 06-03-2003 10:31 AM |
Re: Re: Re: Carbon fiber overlay
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by boxer02 [/i]
[B]i still haven't gotten the hail damage fixed, and am patiently waiting for both doug gill and the dent repair guy to reply.... [/B][/QUOTE]
you aren't going to like what Doug says. he's going to say no way to the CF hood, just like many of us have been trying to tell you.
[B]i still haven't gotten the hail damage fixed, and am patiently waiting for both doug gill and the dent repair guy to reply.... [/B][/QUOTE]
you aren't going to like what Doug says. he's going to say no way to the CF hood, just like many of us have been trying to tell you.
| boxer02 | 06-03-2003 01:10 PM |
Re: Re: Re: Re: Carbon fiber overlay
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Orion [/i]
[B]
you aren't going to like what Doug says. he's going to say no way to the CF hood, just like many of us have been trying to tell you. [/B][/QUOTE]
well, that would be fine at this point, although if that is the case, i'm still curious as to what the appearance rule covers....
[B]
you aren't going to like what Doug says. he's going to say no way to the CF hood, just like many of us have been trying to tell you. [/B][/QUOTE]
well, that would be fine at this point, although if that is the case, i'm still curious as to what the appearance rule covers....
| STX_REX | 06-04-2003 10:55 AM |
Re: Re: Carbon fiber overlay
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KC [/i]
[B]Thought I was donw until I read this....
Please quote the rule in the rulebook where it's ok to add weight.
Thanks.
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Are you required to run with a preset fuel load?
Are you required to remove your spare tire?
Are you required to meet a minimum or maximum driver weight?
No
No
No
Can you add things like a trailer hitch?
Can you relplace your alloy wheels with same sized steelies?
Can you "secure" a tool box in your Trunk?
Yes
Yes
I'm not Sure
Can you legally add weight to the car
Yes
PS, I said adding weight, not strategically located ballast
PSS, Most cars would need less than 4 gallons of fuel to run, leaving anywhere from 8 to 16 gallons or 60 to 120Lbs of weight bias to play with perfectly legally in any class
[B]Thought I was donw until I read this....
Please quote the rule in the rulebook where it's ok to add weight.
Thanks.
[/B][/QUOTE]
Are you required to run with a preset fuel load?
Are you required to remove your spare tire?
Are you required to meet a minimum or maximum driver weight?
No
No
No
Can you add things like a trailer hitch?
Can you relplace your alloy wheels with same sized steelies?
Can you "secure" a tool box in your Trunk?
Yes
Yes
I'm not Sure
Can you legally add weight to the car
Yes
PS, I said adding weight, not strategically located ballast
PSS, Most cars would need less than 4 gallons of fuel to run, leaving anywhere from 8 to 16 gallons or 60 to 120Lbs of weight bias to play with perfectly legally in any class
| Davenow | 06-04-2003 11:23 AM |
Ive said it once, Ill say it again
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SOOOO glad I chose to modify boost and run in SM:rolleyes:
| KC | 06-04-2003 11:59 AM |
Re: Re: Re: Carbon fiber overlay
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by STX_REX [/i]
[B]
PS, I said adding weight, not strategically located ballast [/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by STX_REX [/i]
[B]Adding weight is perfectly legal, you could run with a trunk full of bowling balls if you wanted to.[/B][/QUOTE]
What part did you think I was commenting on?
C'mon, you're not that obtuse, are you?
[B]
PS, I said adding weight, not strategically located ballast [/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by STX_REX [/i]
[B]Adding weight is perfectly legal, you could run with a trunk full of bowling balls if you wanted to.[/B][/QUOTE]
What part did you think I was commenting on?
C'mon, you're not that obtuse, are you?
| STX_REX | 06-04-2003 12:24 PM |
What, I can't go to a bowling tournament after an autocross?;)
| 10th Warrior | 06-04-2003 02:49 PM |
you can make legally authorized modifications that may add weight. you can't just add weight for the sake of adding weight.
anyway, i really wish i'd never opened this thread but since i have, i guess i'll comment on the CF hood...thing.
ok, why do people change to CF? because its lighter. now, this CF hood you are talking about is supposed to be the exact same weight/shape of the stock hood, so why replace it? for looks. well, if that is your motivation, then take a hint from the appropriate movie, TFATF. you know that cool CF hood on the eclipse? its fake. its just a sticker on top of the stock hood that looks like CF. you can do that. then you can stay in DS and look super cool. have fun.
anyway, i really wish i'd never opened this thread but since i have, i guess i'll comment on the CF hood...thing.
ok, why do people change to CF? because its lighter. now, this CF hood you are talking about is supposed to be the exact same weight/shape of the stock hood, so why replace it? for looks. well, if that is your motivation, then take a hint from the appropriate movie, TFATF. you know that cool CF hood on the eclipse? its fake. its just a sticker on top of the stock hood that looks like CF. you can do that. then you can stay in DS and look super cool. have fun.
| KC | 06-04-2003 03:10 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by 10th Warrior [/i]
[B]you can make legally authorized modifications that may add weight. you can't just add weight for the sake of adding weight.
anyway, i really wish i'd never opened this thread but since i have, i guess i'll comment on the CF hood...thing.
ok, why do people change to CF? because its lighter. now, this CF hood you are talking about is supposed to be the exact same weight/shape of the stock hood, so why replace it? for looks. well, if that is your motivation, then take a hint from the appropriate movie, TFATF. you know that cool CF hood on the eclipse? its fake. its just a sticker on top of the stock hood that looks like CF. you can do that. then you can stay in DS and look super cool. have fun. [/B][/QUOTE]The original poster made a valid point about it being more resistant to hail damage, from living in a hail prone area. The aluminum hood, when breathed on wrong will dent, never mind what hail does to it.
Instead of getting whacked for a deductible every time it hails and needing a new hood, using the Ins. $$ to buy a CF hoof will alleviate the head/heartache of having to keep departing with the deductible.
I FULLY support that line of reasoning. I don't live in a hail prone area, but I can understand why a person would want to do this if they have to buy new hoods every other year (or depart with their deductible in the very least).
However, the ramifications of doing this will boot the car out of stock class. If you auto-x on a national level (or live in a region where your competitiors would likely protest such a thing) you have to weigh pros and cons of any decision made on how you modify your car to say within the class or move on, per the rules.
Looks are subjective. The CF could just be painted to match the rest of the car.
--KC
[B]you can make legally authorized modifications that may add weight. you can't just add weight for the sake of adding weight.
anyway, i really wish i'd never opened this thread but since i have, i guess i'll comment on the CF hood...thing.
ok, why do people change to CF? because its lighter. now, this CF hood you are talking about is supposed to be the exact same weight/shape of the stock hood, so why replace it? for looks. well, if that is your motivation, then take a hint from the appropriate movie, TFATF. you know that cool CF hood on the eclipse? its fake. its just a sticker on top of the stock hood that looks like CF. you can do that. then you can stay in DS and look super cool. have fun. [/B][/QUOTE]The original poster made a valid point about it being more resistant to hail damage, from living in a hail prone area. The aluminum hood, when breathed on wrong will dent, never mind what hail does to it.
Instead of getting whacked for a deductible every time it hails and needing a new hood, using the Ins. $$ to buy a CF hoof will alleviate the head/heartache of having to keep departing with the deductible.
I FULLY support that line of reasoning. I don't live in a hail prone area, but I can understand why a person would want to do this if they have to buy new hoods every other year (or depart with their deductible in the very least).
However, the ramifications of doing this will boot the car out of stock class. If you auto-x on a national level (or live in a region where your competitiors would likely protest such a thing) you have to weigh pros and cons of any decision made on how you modify your car to say within the class or move on, per the rules.
Looks are subjective. The CF could just be painted to match the rest of the car.
--KC
| boxer02 | 06-04-2003 06:41 PM |
so whaddya say KC, you think rallydecals could make a fake CF hood sticker.....:rolleyes:
| bvondran | 06-04-2003 11:23 PM |
[QUOTE]PS, I said adding weight, not strategically located ballast[/QUOTE]
You say potato...somone would take "adding weight" as a way to locate balast. Why, because that's what racers do, take the rules as written and try and push them to the extremes.
[QUOTE]Can you legally add weight to the car
Yes[/QUOTE]
Well, this this true only in the areas that the rulebook says you can add weight. I'm glad you brought up the trailer hitch, because I had totally overlooked a part of the rules that specifically tell you you can add a trailer hitch and the resulting weight increase is Stock Class legal.
Wheels are free, so you can add lighter/heavier to your hearts content given width/diameter/offset conditions, but there is no provision for adding weight to the body of the car.
You say potato...somone would take "adding weight" as a way to locate balast. Why, because that's what racers do, take the rules as written and try and push them to the extremes.
[QUOTE]Can you legally add weight to the car
Yes[/QUOTE]
Well, this this true only in the areas that the rulebook says you can add weight. I'm glad you brought up the trailer hitch, because I had totally overlooked a part of the rules that specifically tell you you can add a trailer hitch and the resulting weight increase is Stock Class legal.
Wheels are free, so you can add lighter/heavier to your hearts content given width/diameter/offset conditions, but there is no provision for adding weight to the body of the car.
| KC | 06-05-2003 07:39 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by boxer02 [/i]
[B]so whaddya say KC, you think rallydecals could make a fake CF hood sticker.....:rolleyes: [/B][/QUOTE]I think I can come up with something. :D
(But I thought it was for 'hail' and not 'looks'. :confused: )
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by boxer02 [/i]
[B]so my thought is, use the money the insurance company gave me to get the hood fixed, and buy a carbon fiber hood. [/B][/QUOTE]A Stickered hood will not prevent denting from hail. You'll be out the cost of the sticker AND the hood.
Which is it? You want looks, or you want hail damage prevention? Both?
--KC
[B]so whaddya say KC, you think rallydecals could make a fake CF hood sticker.....:rolleyes: [/B][/QUOTE]I think I can come up with something. :D
(But I thought it was for 'hail' and not 'looks'. :confused: )
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by boxer02 [/i]
[B]so my thought is, use the money the insurance company gave me to get the hood fixed, and buy a carbon fiber hood. [/B][/QUOTE]A Stickered hood will not prevent denting from hail. You'll be out the cost of the sticker AND the hood.
Which is it? You want looks, or you want hail damage prevention? Both?
--KC
| boxer02 | 06-06-2003 01:15 PM |
i was just kidding w/ the sticker.
i couldnt put a fake sticker on my hood. i dont think i'd do that even if i were paid....
and besides, i dont gain the benefits of hail protection, or if it actually being real....
i couldnt put a fake sticker on my hood. i dont think i'd do that even if i were paid....
and besides, i dont gain the benefits of hail protection, or if it actually being real....
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