| Chaste Automotive | 10-04-2004 02:23 PM |
Chaste Automotive announces Speed World Challenge Program!
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We have been hinting at this for a few months but it is finally official, Chaste Automotive has finally concluded a deal to run a WRX in the Speed World Challenge. Work will start immediately on the new car and we hope to be out and testing by early January. With the series restrictions on turbo cars we expect ot be down on power but with rule changes to kick in after the first 5 races we are hoping ot be at the sharp end of the field by the end of the season. While presenting us with a new engineering challenge we look forward to being involved with the series for the coming year. We will announce our new driver and sponsorship information in the coming months. For more information or sponsorship enquiries please contact team manager Jay Socha.
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| skuttledude | 10-04-2004 04:28 PM |
YEAAAAA!!!
Great, can't wait to see ya on TV!!
Great, can't wait to see ya on TV!!
| zzyzx | 10-04-2004 04:39 PM |
Congrats!
| Ru fan | 10-04-2004 04:53 PM |
So glad to see that you guys will be running in such a great event. It is my guess that the WRX will be becoming a factor in the Touring class in the coming years. I think Irish Mike will be doing the same. I can't wait to see them going at it with the Honda's, BMW's, Mazda's, etc. A dream come true for road racing subie fans.
Later,
Seth E. :alien:
Later,
Seth E. :alien:
| Chaste Automotive | 10-04-2004 05:49 PM |
Yes it is going to be a real struggle to be competitive for the first half of the season. The scca really wants to limit the engines in the turbo cars for fear that we will run away with it. I will be updating you guys as information becomes available.
| driggity | 10-04-2004 05:51 PM |
Cool. Can't wait to see how you guys do.
| nate49509 | 10-04-2004 06:13 PM |
This is really great news. Can't wait to see you guys in action.
What kind of limits are they putting on you?
What kind of limits are they putting on you?
| smorris | 10-04-2004 06:44 PM |
I am doing the same, but on a local level I have not had too much success with rounding up sponsorships I have a fwe but nothing substantial. Also I have not been gettinh great response from my local SCCA guys, who are you guys talking with?
| pio!pio! | 10-04-2004 06:51 PM |
cool! any sponsors lined up?
| Opie | 10-04-2004 06:57 PM |
Ever thought about running a Legacy with the 3.0? Would be easier to tune I would think and you wouldn't have to deal with the Turbo restrictions...
| zzyzx | 10-04-2004 07:14 PM |
Yeah, but it'd have to be destroked to 2.8L
That and I don't imagine prepping that 3.0L H6 would be inexpensive due to the fact it's new and unproven.
That and I don't imagine prepping that 3.0L H6 would be inexpensive due to the fact it's new and unproven.
| cooleyjb | 10-04-2004 07:18 PM |
Good luck. I'm excited to see a suby in it. I have a friend who ran in one of those classes (Speedvision Challenge I think???????) and loved every minute of it.
| johnfelstead | 10-04-2004 07:34 PM |
where is there a copy of the rules?
| MattNJ2.8 | 10-04-2004 07:48 PM |
[QUOTE=johnfelstead]where is there a copy of the rules?[/QUOTE]
I've seen this man drive on the 'ring... I'd like to nominate him for your driver! :) :banana: :disco:
I can't wait to see you guys out there! Please run a world rally blue car! :lol:
I've seen this man drive on the 'ring... I'd like to nominate him for your driver! :) :banana: :disco:
I can't wait to see you guys out there! Please run a world rally blue car! :lol:
| PaulC | 10-04-2004 08:07 PM |
[QUOTE=johnfelstead]where is there a copy of the rules?[/QUOTE]
Since they try to maintain performance parity, each car has it's own "Vehicle Technical Specification" sheet that lists what can be done to the car.
They are located here: [url]http://www.world-challenge.com/competitors/vts.html[/url]
Since they try to maintain performance parity, each car has it's own "Vehicle Technical Specification" sheet that lists what can be done to the car.
They are located here: [url]http://www.world-challenge.com/competitors/vts.html[/url]
| MNbiker | 10-04-2004 11:41 PM |
[QUOTE=PaulC]Since they try to maintain performance parity, each car has it's own "Vehicle Technical Specification" sheet that lists what can be done to the car.
They are located here: [url]http://www.world-challenge.com/competitors/vts.html[/url][/QUOTE]
You weren't kidding about the severe performance restrictions! Stock turbo, no porting, stock internals, etc., etc. :eek:
They are located here: [url]http://www.world-challenge.com/competitors/vts.html[/url][/QUOTE]
You weren't kidding about the severe performance restrictions! Stock turbo, no porting, stock internals, etc., etc. :eek:
| zzyzx | 10-04-2004 11:54 PM |
Keep in mind the DRAFT at the top of the VTS. SCCA Pro won't fill in the details until a race team lobbies for the specific changes deemed necessary for the car to be competitive. They haven't even filled in Max Boost yet... the VTS is the spec for alterations beyond that already allowed in the general rules: e.g. full engine management, dry sump, etc., etc... Any race team worth the time/money they're putting into the effort will be working with SCCA Pro to have additional allowances made.
Compare the WRX VTS to the 2.5 RS VTS and you'll see the differance. Irish Mikes kept working with SCCA Pro to get changes and as a result the VTS for the 2.5 RS is rather complete at this point. Also keep in mind were talking about Touring - cars making 250-275 HP which is a snooze for the WRX. Boost alone can achieve this w/o any internal mods needed.
Compare the WRX VTS to the 2.5 RS VTS and you'll see the differance. Irish Mikes kept working with SCCA Pro to get changes and as a result the VTS for the 2.5 RS is rather complete at this point. Also keep in mind were talking about Touring - cars making 250-275 HP which is a snooze for the WRX. Boost alone can achieve this w/o any internal mods needed.
| driggity | 10-05-2004 01:00 AM |
What weight is it that they list? Dry weight, weight with fluids, weight with driver?
And the information under the transmission section is rather interesting.
And the information under the transmission section is rather interesting.
| dwx | 10-05-2004 09:38 AM |
Looks like they just copied over the 2.5RS section as far as transmission goes.
Wonder how much power Irish Mikes was getting out of a 13:1 CR 2.5L revving to 8500 rpm.
Wonder how much power Irish Mikes was getting out of a 13:1 CR 2.5L revving to 8500 rpm.
| kfoote | 10-05-2004 10:28 AM |
Weights are with driver, with fluids, as the car comes off the track.
| BriDrive | 10-05-2004 11:39 AM |
Cunningham's Nissan is at 2500 lbs.
Kleinubings (sp?) TSX is at 2650 lbs.
Various BMW spec years are at 2800 lbs.
Mazda 6 (Altenburg & Marinus) 2650 lbs.
These do not include winner's weight but they are quite telling. Weight is most interesting to me for the reason of spec tire management. The lighter cars were better on their tires at the end. The BimmerWorld cars (325i 's) did a great job but carried little or no additional weight and PDC's Nissan had mechanical glitch causing him pit-ime.
At Road Atlanta last week the top 9 cars in qualifying were spread out by 7 tenths of a second...and the total qualifying gap was only approximately 4 seconds.
For the WRX it will probably be a horsepower/restriction and weight issue for its ultimate success, using the RS6's in GT for comparison. They are good on their tires and obviously AWD. Heck, Pobst ran a 3year old S4 at Road Atlanta and but for getting his winner's weight wrong for qualifying and starting dead last because of it, would have bested the RS6's. I spoke to him personally and he had a gleam in his eye when I asked him why he in the S4 instead of Cunningham. (250 lbs lighter out of the box and Audi/Cosworth built engine, not suffering the last round of SCCA winner's punishment the RS6's received....only lacked a little aero (rear wing according to Pobst) than the RS6. Oh, and Pobst drove the wheels off that thing.
WRX and TC: Limiting factors will be :start of season App. A weight, initial and as yet undefined sec. K5 max boost pressure, and as yet undefined sec. A8 restricitor restrictions.................
Good Luck Chaste...hoping for the best of luck and perserverance from all WRX racers in touring car !!!
BriDrive
Kleinubings (sp?) TSX is at 2650 lbs.
Various BMW spec years are at 2800 lbs.
Mazda 6 (Altenburg & Marinus) 2650 lbs.
These do not include winner's weight but they are quite telling. Weight is most interesting to me for the reason of spec tire management. The lighter cars were better on their tires at the end. The BimmerWorld cars (325i 's) did a great job but carried little or no additional weight and PDC's Nissan had mechanical glitch causing him pit-ime.
At Road Atlanta last week the top 9 cars in qualifying were spread out by 7 tenths of a second...and the total qualifying gap was only approximately 4 seconds.
For the WRX it will probably be a horsepower/restriction and weight issue for its ultimate success, using the RS6's in GT for comparison. They are good on their tires and obviously AWD. Heck, Pobst ran a 3year old S4 at Road Atlanta and but for getting his winner's weight wrong for qualifying and starting dead last because of it, would have bested the RS6's. I spoke to him personally and he had a gleam in his eye when I asked him why he in the S4 instead of Cunningham. (250 lbs lighter out of the box and Audi/Cosworth built engine, not suffering the last round of SCCA winner's punishment the RS6's received....only lacked a little aero (rear wing according to Pobst) than the RS6. Oh, and Pobst drove the wheels off that thing.
WRX and TC: Limiting factors will be :start of season App. A weight, initial and as yet undefined sec. K5 max boost pressure, and as yet undefined sec. A8 restricitor restrictions.................
Good Luck Chaste...hoping for the best of luck and perserverance from all WRX racers in touring car !!!
BriDrive
| trhoppe | 10-05-2004 11:41 AM |
Best of luck to you guys!
It will be an uphill battle, but you should get good TV time and sponsor recognition because you will be the "first". Should be fun and I hope to join you guys in a few years.
-Tom
It will be an uphill battle, but you should get good TV time and sponsor recognition because you will be the "first". Should be fun and I hope to join you guys in a few years.
-Tom
| driggity | 10-05-2004 12:30 PM |
[QUOTE=dwx]Looks like they just copied over the 2.5RS section as far as transmission goes.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but with 4.44 as an option for the final drive ratio. I think thats the Forester XT gearbox/final drive combo but I may be wrong.
Yeah, but with 4.44 as an option for the final drive ratio. I think thats the Forester XT gearbox/final drive combo but I may be wrong.
| Butt Dyno | 10-05-2004 12:38 PM |
Good luck yall..
*wonders what Gary is doing next year*
john
*wonders what Gary is doing next year*
john
| zzyzx | 10-05-2004 12:39 PM |
The 4.44 has been around a long time. The 4.11 listed is stock. In WC, most every car gets a variety of ratios. Nearly every VTS you read will list two...
| XtianLA | 10-05-2004 12:57 PM |
This is going to be awesome to watch! Might I make a suggestion....although it might be a PITA if you guys could take pics and document like....what it takes to prep the Scoob for a race it would be awesome. You know what I mean? Something like a diary or journal on your site about how the project is coming along. I'm sure everyone would love to see that including myself.
| driggity | 10-05-2004 01:55 PM |
[QUOTE=zzyzx]The 4.44 has been around a long time. The 4.11 listed is stock. In WC, most every car gets a variety of ratios. Nearly every VTS you read will list two...[/QUOTE]
I know that the 4.44 has been around a while. And the 4.11 is not stock on a WRX. The reason I mentioned the XT is because I think it has the 2.5RS gear ratios (which are the ones listed in the VTS, not the WRX ratios) and it comes with the 4.44.
I know that the 4.44 has been around a while. And the 4.11 is not stock on a WRX. The reason I mentioned the XT is because I think it has the 2.5RS gear ratios (which are the ones listed in the VTS, not the WRX ratios) and it comes with the 4.44.
| zzyzx | 10-05-2004 02:02 PM |
Good point - I meant (but did not say) RS, not WRX.
| Chaste Automotive | 10-05-2004 04:48 PM |
We are going to be allowed two final drives 4.11 and 4.44 we are working on quite few things as far as suspension and goes but the engine is the limitation. Out current goal is a total weight reduction the shell is looking to come in around 295 kilos (650 pounds approx.) with the cage and seam welding. We have two title sponsors that we are speaking to but currently we are planning on being ready for the first race of the year and we are going to run the entire season. We will have a huge debut and track day here in So Cal sometime after the first of the year.
| pio!pio! | 10-05-2004 05:10 PM |
Well with the engine program being so limited/constricted, hopefully that will make running the team affordable.
I remember back when the RX-8 came out, it could have potentially been classed in TC and been one of the cheapest bang for the buck starting point for a racecar.
I remember back when the RX-8 came out, it could have potentially been classed in TC and been one of the cheapest bang for the buck starting point for a racecar.
| johnfelstead | 10-05-2004 06:32 PM |
Sounds like an interesting series, thanks for the links. What are you allowed to do on the suspension/damping? Can you go more radical than one shock per corner?
| WRXMaster | 10-06-2004 03:49 AM |
Great to hear! Good luck on the season!
| GarySheehan | 10-06-2004 12:10 PM |
[QUOTE=ButtDyno]Good luck yall..
*wonders what Gary is doing next year*
john[/QUOTE]
We are still working on it :)
Congratulations to the folks at Chaste Automotive! Good luck next year!
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
*wonders what Gary is doing next year*
john[/QUOTE]
We are still working on it :)
Congratulations to the folks at Chaste Automotive! Good luck next year!
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
| Chaste Automotive | 10-06-2004 01:07 PM |
I wil ldo my best to document we are kind of going crazy at the moment iwth work but will do what i can.
| AlpineFD | 10-06-2004 07:04 PM |
[QUOTE=Chaste Automotive]We are going to be allowed two final drives 4.11 and 4.44 we are working on quite few things as far as suspension and goes but the engine is the limitation. Out current goal is a total weight reduction the shell is looking to come in around 295 kilos (650 pounds approx.) with the cage and seam welding. We have two title sponsors that we are speaking to but currently we are planning on being ready for the first race of the year and we are going to run the entire season. We will have a huge debut and track day here in So Cal sometime after the first of the year.[/QUOTE]
I can't wait to see you guys on TV =) Just out of curiousity what is the est. cost in building this car? also what is the projected cost for the fist year of racing?
I can't wait to see you guys on TV =) Just out of curiousity what is the est. cost in building this car? also what is the projected cost for the fist year of racing?
| Impreza01 | 11-15-2005 07:14 AM |
Whatever happen to this?
| GhostRide | 11-16-2005 04:02 AM |
Chaste is gone-
| Impreza01 | 11-16-2005 05:11 AM |
[QUOTE=GhostRide]Chaste is gone-[/QUOTE]
Oh, ran out of funding? Bankrupted?
Oh, ran out of funding? Bankrupted?
| US2JDM | 11-16-2005 06:32 AM |
[QUOTE=Impreza01]Oh, ran out of funding? Bankrupted?[/QUOTE]
In a manner of speaking...
In a manner of speaking...
| chazthespaz | 11-21-2005 09:36 PM |
I am the Driver and owner of Kothe Racing. We joined together to try and put a Subaru into the pro series, and Chaste Auto was heading up the development. I have been in everybody�s Subaru race/rally cars and Chaste Auto is beyond everyone else. As we were ready to start the season rules got changed around, we were forced to not race by a couple of different pro series because we would be too competitive. I think that they realized who we were and what we could do with a suby, and they said that the Impreza was going to be too competitive and too fast that they didn't want us beating the factory teams. The different series thought we could win too easily. We were told that we weren't allowed to race the impreza in one of the series and the other could never agree to let us race. We started missing races, then loosing sponsors, then the season. SOA wouldn't help us. They were talking about doing some testing with the legacy but most of their efforts is in the club level. They aren't as serious about pro touring car racing as us. They are talking about testing. We have done that, we have developed a killer package. Given it was for the impreza, but most of that stuff will convert over to the legacy. We want to race a Subaru in touring car so bad, but we keep getting hung up. We have lost so much money developing and nothing to show for. We have nothing left to try and start a new project with the legacy. We are trying to recoup some of the money out of the imprezas. The season for the SWC is a minimum of $250,000. Most companies won't look at us now until we have a car ready to go. Well, we need money to get another car, and guess what, SOA won't help us either. The only way we even stand a chance to race in touring car is if we can gather a bunch of people together to pitch in money. Good luck with that. In the mean time we are talking about doing some rallies. As for touring car, I am going to do some work for other team and sort of float around until we get something together again. It kills me that things went so wrong. I just don't know what else to say.
I just want to thanks everyone for their enthusiasm for the team. We had our hearts set on racing the Subaru, and if we had the money, we would continue to develop the Legacy for the different series. Our goal was the American Le Mans Series.
Thanks again everyone.
Charles Kothe
Kothe Racing/Chaste Automotive
-R.W. Armstrong
-Pit Fit Training
-Suby Dude
I just want to thanks everyone for their enthusiasm for the team. We had our hearts set on racing the Subaru, and if we had the money, we would continue to develop the Legacy for the different series. Our goal was the American Le Mans Series.
Thanks again everyone.
Charles Kothe
Kothe Racing/Chaste Automotive
-R.W. Armstrong
-Pit Fit Training
-Suby Dude
| Paisan | 11-21-2005 09:44 PM |
Good luck guys. I'll hopefully be running my 94 Legacy Turbo at Enduros with EMRA and NASA here in the Northeast next season. Always great to see more Subies road racing!
-mike
[url]http://TeamIAC.com[/url]
-mike
[url]http://TeamIAC.com[/url]
| nate49509 | 11-21-2005 09:56 PM |
Thats a real bummer!
| vintagemilano | 11-21-2005 11:09 PM |
It's the big leagues, though I thought you had to be in the world challenge division if it was turbo and AWD, isn't touring limited to 2wd. It's huge money to compete in this series, volvo did it for a couple of years but got the door shut on them. Sorry it didn't work out. Hope someone makes a run at it with factory support.
| Paisan | 11-22-2005 02:29 AM |
Yeah SOA generally is not racer orientied, even though they make performance cars. Like giving out SCCA memberships but denying warranty claims for folks who Autox them....
What can you do though.
Good luck and if anyone out there wants to help us in the Northeast with our small Subaru effort in road racing (either sponsors, helping hands, etc) feel free to contact me.
-mike
What can you do though.
Good luck and if anyone out there wants to help us in the Northeast with our small Subaru effort in road racing (either sponsors, helping hands, etc) feel free to contact me.
-mike
| dwx | 11-22-2005 07:36 AM |
I would qualify that to say road racer oriented. Although they did support the T2 guys last year, but I'm not sure what kind of support Irish Mike's got from them running in Speed Touring.
| goto_racing | 11-22-2005 07:23 PM |
We have had a similar experience trying to get our own pro racing subaru programs out of the stable and onto the track. Support for the Subaru in road racing is just not there. I think there are a few of us that think it is a no brainer that the brand should be represented well in all the major US road racing championships, but it is not echoed by the companies that have the power to make it happen.
Cmon all you would-be sponsors. There are alot of great Subaru road race teams waiting to hit the big time. Just pick one so we can get these great cars out where they belong.
Chris Lock
Cmon all you would-be sponsors. There are alot of great Subaru road race teams waiting to hit the big time. Just pick one so we can get these great cars out where they belong.
Chris Lock
| GarySheehan | 11-22-2005 07:31 PM |
Chris,
Are you guys bringing the WRX up for the 25 Hour?
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
Are you guys bringing the WRX up for the 25 Hour?
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
| Paisan | 11-22-2005 07:57 PM |
[QUOTE=goto_racing]We have had a similar experience trying to get our own pro racing subaru programs out of the stable and onto the track. Support for the Subaru in road racing is just not there. I think there are a few of us that think it is a no brainer that the brand should be represented well in all the major US road racing championships, but it is not echoed by the companies that have the power to make it happen.
Cmon all you would-be sponsors. There are alot of great Subaru road race teams waiting to hit the big time. Just pick one so we can get these great cars out where they belong.
Chris Lock[/QUOTE]
Right on my brother. :)
While we are at it anyone know any good custom cage builders in the Mid-Atlantic/Northeast? I need to get one in the Legacy this winter.
-Mike
Cmon all you would-be sponsors. There are alot of great Subaru road race teams waiting to hit the big time. Just pick one so we can get these great cars out where they belong.
Chris Lock[/QUOTE]
Right on my brother. :)
While we are at it anyone know any good custom cage builders in the Mid-Atlantic/Northeast? I need to get one in the Legacy this winter.
-Mike
| B Esquire | 11-22-2005 08:27 PM |
[QUOTE=GarySheehan]Chris,
Are you guys bringing the WRX up for the 25 Hour?
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url][/QUOTE]
No, we could not secure the budget to run the WRX so we are running the Acura in E2. It will still be a lot of fun, but the program I had put together with the WRX in ES would have been so sweet.
Are you driving in the 25 Gary?
Are you guys bringing the WRX up for the 25 Hour?
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url][/QUOTE]
No, we could not secure the budget to run the WRX so we are running the Acura in E2. It will still be a lot of fun, but the program I had put together with the WRX in ES would have been so sweet.
Are you driving in the 25 Gary?
| Rally_wgn | 11-22-2005 10:53 PM |
Sounds like its time for a letter writing campaign to SOA. This is sad subaru could really use the exposure but doesnt seem to really step to the plate.
| trhoppe | 11-23-2005 08:16 AM |
Other then the Lock's there have not been any drivers that have done anything in a Subaru in Professional road racing. Its hard for me to believe that the Lock's wouldn't receive support as I think they definetly should be. On the other hand, Subaru does a good job supporting amateur road racing with good contingency and factory support in T2.
-Tom
-Tom
| Rally_wgn | 11-23-2005 10:03 AM |
I agree Tom, unfortuantly amateur road racing such as T2 does not get alot of new audience exposure which it would seem to me to be a better marketing strategy.
FHI wants SOA to take Subaru's upscale, right? Then a beautiful Leggy GT battling it our on SWC with the TSX's and Mazda6's and Audi would give it the assocaition with other upscale brands. Seems to make sense to me.
FHI wants SOA to take Subaru's upscale, right? Then a beautiful Leggy GT battling it our on SWC with the TSX's and Mazda6's and Audi would give it the assocaition with other upscale brands. Seems to make sense to me.
| z3coupe | 11-25-2005 02:51 PM |
Why hasn't anyone tried taking an STi out to Speed? Or even the GrandAm Cup series? Wouldn't that be in the GT class, which really gets more exposure that the tc classes? I just can't see them blocking that happening, since Audi is also AWD, and they too have turbo cars.
Or could it all be BECAUSE of the nightmares Audi instilled in racing back when it dominated IMSA, TransAm, TOCA, and everything else it dominated some years ago? The fear of AWD combined with TURBO makes the big boys wet their pants??? :devil:
Or could it all be BECAUSE of the nightmares Audi instilled in racing back when it dominated IMSA, TransAm, TOCA, and everything else it dominated some years ago? The fear of AWD combined with TURBO makes the big boys wet their pants??? :devil:
| GarySheehan | 11-25-2005 03:33 PM |
[QUOTE=B Esquire]No, we could not secure the budget to run the WRX so we are running the Acura in E2. It will still be a lot of fun, but the program I had put together with the WRX in ES would have been so sweet.
Are you driving in the 25 Gary?[/QUOTE]
Yes, I'll be driving in the ART STi.
It will be my first time in the 25 Hour. I did the 12 Hour a few years ago in the Progress CRX and had a blast. I'm looking forward to it!
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
Are you driving in the 25 Gary?[/QUOTE]
Yes, I'll be driving in the ART STi.
It will be my first time in the 25 Hour. I did the 12 Hour a few years ago in the Progress CRX and had a blast. I'm looking forward to it!
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
| GarySheehan | 11-25-2005 03:37 PM |
[QUOTE=trhoppe]Other then the Lock's there have not been any drivers that have done anything in a Subaru in Professional road racing. Its hard for me to believe that the Lock's wouldn't receive support as I think they definetly should be. On the other hand, Subaru does a good job supporting amateur road racing with good contingency and factory support in T2.
-Tom[/QUOTE]
Well, that's not entirely true. We raced the same Subaru in the same series the prior 3 years. :)
I think there may be a chance of Subaru stepping up in 2006 with the ICY Racing team. That ball was set in motion in late 2004 when we were working with Subaru for 2005.
SOA is just very risk averse when it comes to roadracing.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
-Tom[/QUOTE]
Well, that's not entirely true. We raced the same Subaru in the same series the prior 3 years. :)
I think there may be a chance of Subaru stepping up in 2006 with the ICY Racing team. That ball was set in motion in late 2004 when we were working with Subaru for 2005.
SOA is just very risk averse when it comes to roadracing.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
| zzyzx | 11-25-2005 03:39 PM |
[QUOTE=Rally_wgn]FHI wants SOA to take Subaru's upscale, right? Then a beautiful Leggy GT battling it our on SWC with the TSX's and Mazda6's and Audi would give it the assocaition with other upscale brands. Seems to make sense to me.[/QUOTE]
The LGT is currently classified in GT, not Touring Car. Though I think the LGT is a superior platform to, say, the S60R, it would be an uphill battle to say the least. That, and though it'd be cool to see the LGT whip up on Vipers and 'vettes (doubtful...), it "doesn't fit" IMO and as such won't get funded. If they moved the LGT to TC, that'd be another story...
The LGT is currently classified in GT, not Touring Car. Though I think the LGT is a superior platform to, say, the S60R, it would be an uphill battle to say the least. That, and though it'd be cool to see the LGT whip up on Vipers and 'vettes (doubtful...), it "doesn't fit" IMO and as such won't get funded. If they moved the LGT to TC, that'd be another story...
| WJM | 11-25-2005 04:36 PM |
Too competitive?
Sounds like the Bimmer and Audi boys dont want some sub-$25k car out running their fine German engineering....
Politics.
Sounds like the Bimmer and Audi boys dont want some sub-$25k car out running their fine German engineering....
Politics.
| Paisan | 11-25-2005 11:25 PM |
Yup it's probably politics.... Whatcha gonna do? I'd just like to see more folks club racing the subies. The Sub-$10k subies like imprezas/legacies/etc for "regular" folks. It would be nice to see subaru put up some contingency money to support a wider presence of subarus in road racing rather than Big $$$$$ for a few select folks with expensive subies.
It would be outstanding for say $300-500 for folks who win or place in club races. That would encourage folks to get out there and race subies on a wide scale.
-mike
It would be outstanding for say $300-500 for folks who win or place in club races. That would encourage folks to get out there and race subies on a wide scale.
-mike
| WJM | 11-26-2005 07:45 AM |
I aim to take FSP in Time Trails (Solo1) with the RX...i just need the rollbar before I can do that.
| RaceComp Engineering | 11-26-2005 09:43 AM |
After reading Kothe Racing's response I will say this.
It seems to me that there are easier ways and more proven packages that will succeed in SWC than the uphill , super money absorbing route of building and developing a LGT. I am ALLLLL for seeing a Subaru do well in either of the Speed series, however it is plagued by all the standard issues, of which we all know.
Point here really is this. When you see pro racing teams come together esp in sports car racing its due to a couple of things.
1. The guy who wanted it to happen ( Team principle ) is more passionate than even wealthy and will do what ever it takes to make it happen.Someone who prob raced himself earlier in his years and UNDERSTANDS all the pitfalls of the business. Why more passionate than wealthy?..because if he were more wealthy, he got that way by not having much emotion about things that DONT make money, yet COST money. ;) Like racing.......
Yet the passion goes a long way. He( that person) surrounds himself with people who have that same passion and maybe worked with him on another project and they know he will see it thru no matter if the outside main money( title sponsor ) comes thru or not. So when I see a team with a rig, canopies, 16 crew, 4 good drivers( usually have done other racing for the team pricipal or with), some catering, good equipment and NO BIG SPONSOR????...that was someone who wanted to go racing. And knows that it will take a good season or two to make it happen.
Now with that, we are NOT talking about a team that takes on the financially challenged concept of taking a production car that doesnt have any brothers in any other series in the world ( for the most part) and try to make it compete with the developmental likes of those little guys from ,.uhhh, whats their name,.......uhhhhhh..............PRATT & MILLER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You just walk thru the Corvette team pit and or stand in their trailor, or even the cadillac team. You can smell the money. You can "feel" the success, and you can see why it take this type of person to make it happen.
A PERSON like this:
Someone who raced at some point in his life.
Someone who is obviously successful.
Someone who is prob not married( and not to the same person from day one)
[ I find the need to explain that]...A-LOT of these movers and shakers( IT seems this way) have been thru many wives and or at least 8-10 I can think of. Some times due to the commitment it takes to put together a team and the money it cost. The fact that they are ALWAYS away, and very focused on racing. I amnot saying this is the case with ALL, but as I think of quite a few ALMS team principals, this is the case. NEw wives seem to come in at a time when things are already going and its a known deal. The first wives get the shaft. They are promised the world and then get to go to ALOT of races, which I am sure gets old after a while. THen I see ALLLLL the wives who embrace the racing and they wouldnt have it ANY OTHER WAY. They are there and love it. Some even drive in smaller series. So this isnt ALWAYS the case, but it can be reality for others.]
Ok back to the type of person:
Someone who can see a program thru and knows its going to take TIME for a non-corporately funded program to make it happen, if its going to happen.
Someone who has good relations with the top race engineers all over the world. That may be the next important thing after the money. AS they assist the drivers in ways most dont know.
Someone who has used the same tactics to do the "impossible" in other areas of his (or her) life.
Someone who has a race fabrication shop that is capable of making a top level car, and has the dedicated crew and CORE of guys who have worked together before. ( I mean building, not "shop" or "garage". Known as a "facility" lol) CNC, CAD, etc. ALL in house.
The other ting I see, is after a season or 2 of struggling, when this team does find success, then comes a large title sponsor and then you think they dropped on the scene and they hsve been there all along.
Of course this wouldn't happen with a SUbaru, because we would all know who they are etc, but I've watched it happen with other cars etc.
Yes I agree SOA smiles at the door and waves as we play in the yard, but they aint coming out to throw the ball. Now if "SOMEONE" did put together and fund a program, found good drivers, and engineers and had a top notch facility, you could bet SOA would come runnin' wanting to " PLAY" and try to cash in on the success. If I were that "SOMEONE" I might not be so hasty to let them play, even if they brought the money. KInda like being friends with someone when times are good. Or watching who hits the "numbers" in a bar and sittin' next to them( for free beer).
After all if you made it happen without them, then it aint broke,..and if it aint broke,............well, you know the rest.
Myles Williams
NOTE: Team principal wives are special people. Not all team principals are divorced or married 3 times. I made reference to a few, but not all, by no means. IF you are a team principal wife and read this, please tell your husband to fund a team in SWC and have the brand car that is chosen be a Subaru. Thanks. ;)
It seems to me that there are easier ways and more proven packages that will succeed in SWC than the uphill , super money absorbing route of building and developing a LGT. I am ALLLLL for seeing a Subaru do well in either of the Speed series, however it is plagued by all the standard issues, of which we all know.
Point here really is this. When you see pro racing teams come together esp in sports car racing its due to a couple of things.
1. The guy who wanted it to happen ( Team principle ) is more passionate than even wealthy and will do what ever it takes to make it happen.Someone who prob raced himself earlier in his years and UNDERSTANDS all the pitfalls of the business. Why more passionate than wealthy?..because if he were more wealthy, he got that way by not having much emotion about things that DONT make money, yet COST money. ;) Like racing.......
Yet the passion goes a long way. He( that person) surrounds himself with people who have that same passion and maybe worked with him on another project and they know he will see it thru no matter if the outside main money( title sponsor ) comes thru or not. So when I see a team with a rig, canopies, 16 crew, 4 good drivers( usually have done other racing for the team pricipal or with), some catering, good equipment and NO BIG SPONSOR????...that was someone who wanted to go racing. And knows that it will take a good season or two to make it happen.
Now with that, we are NOT talking about a team that takes on the financially challenged concept of taking a production car that doesnt have any brothers in any other series in the world ( for the most part) and try to make it compete with the developmental likes of those little guys from ,.uhhh, whats their name,.......uhhhhhh..............PRATT & MILLER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You just walk thru the Corvette team pit and or stand in their trailor, or even the cadillac team. You can smell the money. You can "feel" the success, and you can see why it take this type of person to make it happen.
A PERSON like this:
Someone who raced at some point in his life.
Someone who is obviously successful.
Someone who is prob not married( and not to the same person from day one)
[ I find the need to explain that]...A-LOT of these movers and shakers( IT seems this way) have been thru many wives and or at least 8-10 I can think of. Some times due to the commitment it takes to put together a team and the money it cost. The fact that they are ALWAYS away, and very focused on racing. I amnot saying this is the case with ALL, but as I think of quite a few ALMS team principals, this is the case. NEw wives seem to come in at a time when things are already going and its a known deal. The first wives get the shaft. They are promised the world and then get to go to ALOT of races, which I am sure gets old after a while. THen I see ALLLLL the wives who embrace the racing and they wouldnt have it ANY OTHER WAY. They are there and love it. Some even drive in smaller series. So this isnt ALWAYS the case, but it can be reality for others.]
Ok back to the type of person:
Someone who can see a program thru and knows its going to take TIME for a non-corporately funded program to make it happen, if its going to happen.
Someone who has good relations with the top race engineers all over the world. That may be the next important thing after the money. AS they assist the drivers in ways most dont know.
Someone who has used the same tactics to do the "impossible" in other areas of his (or her) life.
Someone who has a race fabrication shop that is capable of making a top level car, and has the dedicated crew and CORE of guys who have worked together before. ( I mean building, not "shop" or "garage". Known as a "facility" lol) CNC, CAD, etc. ALL in house.
The other ting I see, is after a season or 2 of struggling, when this team does find success, then comes a large title sponsor and then you think they dropped on the scene and they hsve been there all along.
Of course this wouldn't happen with a SUbaru, because we would all know who they are etc, but I've watched it happen with other cars etc.
Yes I agree SOA smiles at the door and waves as we play in the yard, but they aint coming out to throw the ball. Now if "SOMEONE" did put together and fund a program, found good drivers, and engineers and had a top notch facility, you could bet SOA would come runnin' wanting to " PLAY" and try to cash in on the success. If I were that "SOMEONE" I might not be so hasty to let them play, even if they brought the money. KInda like being friends with someone when times are good. Or watching who hits the "numbers" in a bar and sittin' next to them( for free beer).
After all if you made it happen without them, then it aint broke,..and if it aint broke,............well, you know the rest.
Myles Williams
NOTE: Team principal wives are special people. Not all team principals are divorced or married 3 times. I made reference to a few, but not all, by no means. IF you are a team principal wife and read this, please tell your husband to fund a team in SWC and have the brand car that is chosen be a Subaru. Thanks. ;)
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