| bemani | 05-23-2005 02:28 PM |
European GP
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Return of BAR.
New qualifying:
- one qualifying session only from 13.00 to 14.00 on Saturday;
- single lap qualifying with race fuel under parc ferm� conditions (as 2004);
- running order to be reverse of finishing order of previous race (ie winner of last race goes last).'
New qualifying:
- one qualifying session only from 13.00 to 14.00 on Saturday;
- single lap qualifying with race fuel under parc ferm� conditions (as 2004);
- running order to be reverse of finishing order of previous race (ie winner of last race goes last).'
| artkevin | 05-23-2005 03:09 PM |
I love back-to-back weekends.
Lets go with:
1 The Kimster (he always does well here, just his car doesn't)
2 The Freddy (incredibly fast w/ the right tires)
3 Trulli (aero track so the Yotas should fair well)
4 Webber (has to out pace Nick sometime soon)
5 Quick Nick (has the speed and momentum)
6 John Paul Monto (has to not be put in the weeds by his teamate every race)
7 Michael (why not)
8 Fisi Cola (season slipping away)
Lets go with:
1 The Kimster (he always does well here, just his car doesn't)
2 The Freddy (incredibly fast w/ the right tires)
3 Trulli (aero track so the Yotas should fair well)
4 Webber (has to out pace Nick sometime soon)
5 Quick Nick (has the speed and momentum)
6 John Paul Monto (has to not be put in the weeds by his teamate every race)
7 Michael (why not)
8 Fisi Cola (season slipping away)
| Dussander | 05-26-2005 10:07 AM |
Bump. I suppose it is time to pick. I think I will wait until I read the driver press conference.
| grandpa rex | 05-26-2005 10:19 AM |
I also love the back to back weekends. I think that Monaco was the first of 8 races in 10 weekends.
Anyway, here's my picks:
1. Raikkonen
2. Alonso
3. MS (I hesitate to pick him so high, but his pace has been good once the race gets going)
4. JPM
5. Webber
6. Fisi
7. Heidfeld
8. Trulli
Anyway, here's my picks:
1. Raikkonen
2. Alonso
3. MS (I hesitate to pick him so high, but his pace has been good once the race gets going)
4. JPM
5. Webber
6. Fisi
7. Heidfeld
8. Trulli
| SolbergWRCfan | 05-26-2005 10:45 AM |
1.) K.Raikkonen (Dominant win.......again)
2.) F.Alonso (Will be close, but the R25 is just ultimately slower than the MP4-20)
3.) R.Schumacher (Getting comfortable in the car, [B][SIZE=3]eat it[/SIZE] you haters[/B])
4.) G.Fisichella (Psyched out by Alonso and not managed by Flavio)
5.) J.Montoya (Brain fart artist, what will it be this week?)
6.) J.Trulli (I can qualify, but racing is something best left to someone else)
7.) M.Schumacher (Bridgestone will be fast, but too little too late)
8.) N.Heidfeld (Williams needs new aerodynamacists, yes he is faster than Webber)
Jon
EDIT: No BARs because their engines are suspect after sitting for 5 weeks :)
2.) F.Alonso (Will be close, but the R25 is just ultimately slower than the MP4-20)
3.) R.Schumacher (Getting comfortable in the car, [B][SIZE=3]eat it[/SIZE] you haters[/B])
4.) G.Fisichella (Psyched out by Alonso and not managed by Flavio)
5.) J.Montoya (Brain fart artist, what will it be this week?)
6.) J.Trulli (I can qualify, but racing is something best left to someone else)
7.) M.Schumacher (Bridgestone will be fast, but too little too late)
8.) N.Heidfeld (Williams needs new aerodynamacists, yes he is faster than Webber)
Jon
EDIT: No BARs because their engines are suspect after sitting for 5 weeks :)
| TimStevens | 05-26-2005 10:48 AM |
I'm hoping we get a good battle between Kimi and Alonso for the win here, but I really think Kimi's just going to walk away with it.
I'm looking forward to seeing how Christijan Albers does in the Minardi this weekend. He should have a lot of experience here. Maybe another weekend without a Minardi on the back row? Small victories :)
I'm looking forward to seeing how Christijan Albers does in the Minardi this weekend. He should have a lot of experience here. Maybe another weekend without a Minardi on the back row? Small victories :)
| Dussander | 05-26-2005 10:49 AM |
It sounds like rain may play a part this weekend. I would actually enjoy rain mixing it up a bit for this race. Michelin claims they can hang in the rain, but we will have to see. How long would intermediates last? Do they design them to last a full race if needed? Same for full wets. Rarely do we see rain tires used for the full race.
It *could* get cold for the weekend, but so far the forcast is for relatively warm: 31, 32, and 26C.
It *could* get cold for the weekend, but so far the forcast is for relatively warm: 31, 32, and 26C.
| amp5 | 05-26-2005 01:19 PM |
Rooting for Kimi but I think he screws something up in qualifying and is replaced by Alonso, who is suprisingly closely challenged by JPM. As before, MS qualifies poorly, but makes great strides for the last race podium position.
| Leonardo | 05-26-2005 02:08 PM |
Montoya [b]will[/b] poduim!
| Dussander | 05-26-2005 02:14 PM |
I'm going to go with picks if it doesn't rain:
Montoya
Kimi
Jenson
Fisi
Alonso
Trulli
Heidfeld
Massa
Montoya
Kimi
Jenson
Fisi
Alonso
Trulli
Heidfeld
Massa
| artkevin | 05-26-2005 02:59 PM |
[QUOTE=Leonardo]Montoya [b]will[/b] poduim![/QUOTE]
I can only hope. I don't think he is comfortable with the car as he should be. He is so fast though and he does like the track.
kp
I can only hope. I don't think he is comfortable with the car as he should be. He is so fast though and he does like the track.
kp
| MattDell | 05-26-2005 03:06 PM |
I know it's a longshot, but I'd really like to see Sato with a good finish this GP.
-Matt
-Matt
| SolbergWRCfan | 05-26-2005 04:20 PM |
I have a hard time seeing Montoya podium in this event. I don't think he is 100% yet and I think Kimi has him a bit psyched out. He also needs to learn to control his emotions better, that is something Kimi does much better (in the car ;)) than Juan. There are a lot of Juan fanbois out there (David Hobbes?), but it really hasn't panned out as being warranted in F1 yet. He is definitely not yet on the level of a Kimi, Alonso, M.Schumacher type.
Jon
Jon
| artkevin | 05-26-2005 04:44 PM |
I would have to disagree with you on the JPM thing. I think the only area that he is lacking as far as a driver goes is set up. I know the McLaren have been helping himout amazingling with it too. He has enough God-given talent to be one of the best that ever has been and once he gets the lead he does not make mistakes. When he is mid-pack he does tend to suffer but Monaco showed be he does not quit. I would have to put him on at least the same level as Alonso for pure talent and I think Alonso and Kimi are about the same. With emotions, I think he is on par with anyone in the field. We've all seen DC, Ralph, Fernando, Massa, Michael and Rubens give the finger on a bad/dumb move. When JPM puts his head down and drives he is simply amazing to me.
The only person that is clearly better in my book is Michael. His ability to control a race is amazing, and hes incredibly smart as far as race strategy goes.
MattDell, Sato did great here last year until he tangled with Rubens. Do I have the wrong race in mind?
kp (obvioulsy a JPM and Sato fan)
The only person that is clearly better in my book is Michael. His ability to control a race is amazing, and hes incredibly smart as far as race strategy goes.
MattDell, Sato did great here last year until he tangled with Rubens. Do I have the wrong race in mind?
kp (obvioulsy a JPM and Sato fan)
| GarySheehan | 05-26-2005 06:48 PM |
Should be qualifying on light fuel. Then fuel however you want for the race. That would mix up the field a bit and give us some great racing!
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
| platypus | 05-26-2005 07:03 PM |
they should do qualifying blindfolded on Segways.
| ArtGecko | 05-26-2005 10:20 PM |
Meh, not happy with these, but didn't know what else to pick...
K.Raikkonen
F.Alonso
M.Schumacher
M.Webber
J.Montoya
J.Trulli
R.Schumacher
J.Button
Steve
K.Raikkonen
F.Alonso
M.Schumacher
M.Webber
J.Montoya
J.Trulli
R.Schumacher
J.Button
Steve
| rupertberr | 05-26-2005 11:29 PM |
This is how I went:
1. Ice Man
2. Montoya
3. Alonso
4. M. Schumacher
5. Button
6. Trulli
7. Heidfeld
8. Fisichella
If it rains, who knows? Even dry 2nd - 8th is really up in the air. :)
1. Ice Man
2. Montoya
3. Alonso
4. M. Schumacher
5. Button
6. Trulli
7. Heidfeld
8. Fisichella
If it rains, who knows? Even dry 2nd - 8th is really up in the air. :)
| SolbergWRCfan | 05-27-2005 12:07 AM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]I would have to disagree with you on the JPM thing. I think the only area that he is lacking as far as a driver goes is set up. I know the McLaren have been helping himout amazingling with it too. He has enough God-given talent to be one of the best that ever has been and once he gets the lead he does not make mistakes. When he is mid-pack he does tend to suffer but Monaco showed be he does not quit. I would have to put him on at least the same level as Alonso for pure talent and I think Alonso and Kimi are about the same. With emotions, I think he is on par with anyone in the field. We've all seen DC, Ralph, Fernando, Massa, Michael and Rubens give the finger on a bad/dumb move. When JPM puts his head down and drives he is simply amazing to me.
The only person that is clearly better in my book is Michael. His ability to control a race is amazing, and hes incredibly smart as far as race strategy goes.
MattDell, Sato did great here last year until he tangled with Rubens. Do I have the wrong race in mind?
kp (obvioulsy a JPM and Sato fan)[/QUOTE]
The only problem I see with this is that he is inconsistent with when he really puts his head down and drives and can't seem to maintain it over a race distance. Kimi, Alonso, and Michael all do a much better job with consistency. As for not quitting in Monaco, he gained the same amount of positions as Ralf Schumacher who is not nearly the best in the field when it comes to overtaking. A lot of the Montoya hype is just that, hype, what spectacular results has he had other than in qualifying. I will be impressed when he gets actual RACE results. His inability to set up a car just puts him further down in my book, as technichal prowess is part of being a modern racing driver. He does have amazing car control and the ability to drive around certain types of handling maladies. He just hasn't done it consistently enough to warrant as much praise as he has recieved. It is obvious that you are a balls out racer type as both of the drivers you listed as ones you are a fan of show flashes of blinding speed and courage beyond most. The only problem is that both also have shown an inability to control this agression until it is really needed. Montoya proved AGAIN in Monaco that he is a hothead when he caused the wreck. Anyone that acts that immaturely on the racetrack where death could result only deserves scorn in my book.
Jon (A former Montoya fan)
The only person that is clearly better in my book is Michael. His ability to control a race is amazing, and hes incredibly smart as far as race strategy goes.
MattDell, Sato did great here last year until he tangled with Rubens. Do I have the wrong race in mind?
kp (obvioulsy a JPM and Sato fan)[/QUOTE]
The only problem I see with this is that he is inconsistent with when he really puts his head down and drives and can't seem to maintain it over a race distance. Kimi, Alonso, and Michael all do a much better job with consistency. As for not quitting in Monaco, he gained the same amount of positions as Ralf Schumacher who is not nearly the best in the field when it comes to overtaking. A lot of the Montoya hype is just that, hype, what spectacular results has he had other than in qualifying. I will be impressed when he gets actual RACE results. His inability to set up a car just puts him further down in my book, as technichal prowess is part of being a modern racing driver. He does have amazing car control and the ability to drive around certain types of handling maladies. He just hasn't done it consistently enough to warrant as much praise as he has recieved. It is obvious that you are a balls out racer type as both of the drivers you listed as ones you are a fan of show flashes of blinding speed and courage beyond most. The only problem is that both also have shown an inability to control this agression until it is really needed. Montoya proved AGAIN in Monaco that he is a hothead when he caused the wreck. Anyone that acts that immaturely on the racetrack where death could result only deserves scorn in my book.
Jon (A former Montoya fan)
| HomerJay | 05-27-2005 12:25 AM |
I think Montoya can get a podium finish, especially w/ how fast the Mclarens are. He lacks consitency but cull out good races when focused. The Iceman will stand on the top though.
| artkevin | 05-27-2005 12:42 AM |
When else has Montoya proved to be a hot head on the track? I am not arguing that he isn't but I don't know of any occasions where he has proved to be more so then ANY other driver in the field save Kimi. I did not see the Monaco thing but if he did but people in danger he should be punished. Along those lines though you have to say the same about the Schumacher chop, or Alonso going balls out in Brazil 03 right into Webbers wreckage, or Ralph speeding up after "letting" Alonso by in the tunnel 04, or Rubens throwing his car into the final corner against Trulli in 04, or Jaquces doing the dive bomb at Massa last week, or Alonso brake checking DC at the Ring in 03. I know these are all anecdotal but at the same time I think it speaks to racers in general, not just Montoya.
I am a fan of ballzee racers but I am a fan of good driving first. To see a driver just get it right every time (Kimi the past 2 weeks or Michael the last decade) is just awesome. I think Montoya has shown that he can do it. When he goes, he really goes. The only time I can recall that I was disappointed in how he drove was the last 12 laps of Monza in 03. Frentzen blocked him as he was lapping him and he ended up losing touch with Michael. From that point you could tell he was just coasting. The year before though, he just stormed to victory. I think that was his first win and to me, it proved he was the real deal. If he had a more reliable car he very easily could have been world champ in 03. He was in it with a head of steam until he was penalized at the USGP for causing an avoidable accident which Rubens stated publicly was not Montoya's fault but his gearbox's.
Man I got WAY too into this. Sorry to anyone that read this.
kp
I am a fan of ballzee racers but I am a fan of good driving first. To see a driver just get it right every time (Kimi the past 2 weeks or Michael the last decade) is just awesome. I think Montoya has shown that he can do it. When he goes, he really goes. The only time I can recall that I was disappointed in how he drove was the last 12 laps of Monza in 03. Frentzen blocked him as he was lapping him and he ended up losing touch with Michael. From that point you could tell he was just coasting. The year before though, he just stormed to victory. I think that was his first win and to me, it proved he was the real deal. If he had a more reliable car he very easily could have been world champ in 03. He was in it with a head of steam until he was penalized at the USGP for causing an avoidable accident which Rubens stated publicly was not Montoya's fault but his gearbox's.
Man I got WAY too into this. Sorry to anyone that read this.
kp
| finnRex | 05-27-2005 08:36 AM |
My picks for the European GP.
1. Kimi-3 wins in a row brings him closer to FA.
2. Michael-will push Kimi, but Herr Schumacher will see Kimi's tailpipe.
3. Alonso-back in business, but distanced from 1st and 2nd
4. *wild pick* DC-will show McLaren that they made a mistake.
5. Button-back in action(Honda is back, right?;) )
6. Woobens-nursing tires will cost him a few places
7. Montoya-not quite 100%
8. Heidfeld-some misfortunes in qualifying will cause him to drop from top 5...
Mika
1. Kimi-3 wins in a row brings him closer to FA.
2. Michael-will push Kimi, but Herr Schumacher will see Kimi's tailpipe.
3. Alonso-back in business, but distanced from 1st and 2nd
4. *wild pick* DC-will show McLaren that they made a mistake.
5. Button-back in action(Honda is back, right?;) )
6. Woobens-nursing tires will cost him a few places
7. Montoya-not quite 100%
8. Heidfeld-some misfortunes in qualifying will cause him to drop from top 5...
Mika
| Andrman | 05-27-2005 11:24 AM |
I think Kimi will take first again, but I think Ferrari will remember how to qualify the old way and we'll see MS in #2 and Rubens in the points for sure. I think Alonso will still be up there for 3rd and then Nick and Button. And for some reason I expect Sato to be strong, although I don't know what his car will do. He was doing well before the penalty though.
Which team currently has the most horsepower, is it still Williams?
Which team currently has the most horsepower, is it still Williams?
| artkevin | 05-27-2005 11:27 AM |
Toyota is reported to be around 950 bhp. I think its Ferrari and then BMW in the horse power wars now. I could be wrong.
| erich_sc | 05-27-2005 11:46 AM |
It pains me to see Ferrari in this state. My only doubt about the team is the tyre situation. It's good to see McLaren cutting out alot of points from the leader and hopefully it will be a tight season ending! So far it's looking very promising.
| artkevin | 05-27-2005 04:10 PM |
Jordan was just hit with a 3rd car ban for the Canadian GP for using 6 sets of tires on Montangy's car rather then the alotted 4. Sounds like a fair penalty to me. They say it was an honest mistake and it most likely was but it sounds fair.
| Andrman | 05-27-2005 04:12 PM |
So that means what, exactly? They won't have a backup car in case someone crashes in practice or qualifying?
| TimStevens | 05-27-2005 04:14 PM |
Likely just no third driver on Friday at the next race.
| SolbergWRCfan | 05-27-2005 06:09 PM |
Why is there all this Sato love too? He has only shown brief flashes of speed, being consistently outdriven by Jenson Button who no one seems to like. Sato is probably the most inconsistent driver on the grid. While Button was up front consistently last year, Sato was all over the place, including lots of crashing. BTW, there is no Ralph in this year's championship, you guys say you are fans yet you consistently spell Ral[SIZE=5][B]F[/B][/SIZE] Shumacher's name wrong. :confused: :confused: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Also, most of your arguments about reckless driving hold true in my eyes except for one. Did you see telemetry to show you that Ralf sped up in the tunnel or do you just believe what Alonso said? I think Alonso simply made a stupid mistake by trying to pass somewhere he had no chance of passing (name any successful pass in the tunnel against two cars that were similar in speed with a similar rules package and I will send you a gallon bucket of my Grandma's chocolate chip cookies) and had to blame it on someone. Alonso has matured a lot since the incidents you have mentioned, but Juan has much more seat time racing a plethora of cars and he still pulls childish stunts like that? I am simply not impressed. Fast? Yes. A rounded racing driver? No.
Jon (An RS, JB, KR, and NH fan)
Jon (An RS, JB, KR, and NH fan)
| artkevin | 05-27-2005 06:43 PM |
A Nick fan eh? Thats rare. I like him too, I just never hear anyone say it.
I did not see the telemetry with the Alonso/RS thing but I heard it from others then him too. What I took from it is that RALF got off the gas to let him by in the tunnel and then got back on the gas before the pass was made. I would agree with you with the lack of ability to pass in there but he was being lapped, it was not for position.
I said I am a fan of Sato's, not that I think he will be world champ some day. I would like to see him do well, thats all. As far as consistency, his car blew how many times in the 1st half of the season? I also think Barichello turned into him in the European GP last year. He is blindingly fast but I agree with you, he needs to calm it down every once in awhile. It surprises me though becuase he was ultra consistent in F3000 (?) before he went to Jordan and then he became a wild man.
Back to JPM. Again, what stunts has he pulled? I give you the Monaco thing even though I haven't seen it but what else? My argument is that JPM is as well rounded as any driver in the field but Schumacher the 1st, not that he doesn't make mistakes.
kp (Bourdais, JPM, Kimi, Webber, Quick Nick, Massa, Albers, Woobens, MS, Sato, Button, DC, Mr. Clean, Alonso, Fisi Cola, Sato, Trulli, Nahrain, Wurz & etc.fan)
I did not see the telemetry with the Alonso/RS thing but I heard it from others then him too. What I took from it is that RALF got off the gas to let him by in the tunnel and then got back on the gas before the pass was made. I would agree with you with the lack of ability to pass in there but he was being lapped, it was not for position.
I said I am a fan of Sato's, not that I think he will be world champ some day. I would like to see him do well, thats all. As far as consistency, his car blew how many times in the 1st half of the season? I also think Barichello turned into him in the European GP last year. He is blindingly fast but I agree with you, he needs to calm it down every once in awhile. It surprises me though becuase he was ultra consistent in F3000 (?) before he went to Jordan and then he became a wild man.
Back to JPM. Again, what stunts has he pulled? I give you the Monaco thing even though I haven't seen it but what else? My argument is that JPM is as well rounded as any driver in the field but Schumacher the 1st, not that he doesn't make mistakes.
kp (Bourdais, JPM, Kimi, Webber, Quick Nick, Massa, Albers, Woobens, MS, Sato, Button, DC, Mr. Clean, Alonso, Fisi Cola, Sato, Trulli, Nahrain, Wurz & etc.fan)
| driggity | 05-27-2005 06:47 PM |
Geez, is Jordan so bad that they have to cheat to stay ahead of Minardi now?
[QUOTE=SolbergWRCfan]yet you consistently spell Ral[SIZE=5][B]F[/B][/SIZE] Shumacher's name wrong.[/QUOTE]
Nice spelling of Ralphie boy's name there. ;)
[QUOTE=SolbergWRCfan]yet you consistently spell Ral[SIZE=5][B]F[/B][/SIZE] Shumacher's name wrong.[/QUOTE]
Nice spelling of Ralphie boy's name there. ;)
| SolbergWRCfan | 05-27-2005 07:04 PM |
Ok, I'll just admit, ever since I met Juan at a CART event and he was a jerk and wouldn't sign a hat I had of his I haven't liked him. I was young and impressionable and he told me to "Bug off kid" when my dad and I were part of the team's hospitality group. The hothead episodes I can remeber off of my head when he was a hothead was Magny Cours last year where he cursed out the team for pitting Ralf first when Ralf was the smart one and recommended it. Crashing into MS in multiple races when it would've been more prudent to back off (it was both of their fault in both cases that I remember, but I am not a MS fan either, he is too cutthroat). I would have to go watch my Autocourse Reviews again to come up with more stuff.
Jon (An F1 fan with a lot of OPINIONS)
Jon (An F1 fan with a lot of OPINIONS)
| artkevin | 05-27-2005 07:56 PM |
I knew I would make you crack. Its all good. I am not saying he doesn't have his faults but I love the way he drives. In person he is just so damned entertaining. He was in the wrong for the Mangy Cours thing. Ralf piped him, plain and simple. Seems like Webber is having the same problem right now at Williams too. I think thats why I like Williams so much. They make a lot of bone head mistakes but at the end of the day they just want to go racing.
Kevin (me too)
Kevin (me too)
| SolbergWRCfan | 05-28-2005 01:00 AM |
That is also the reason I enjoy the Williams team. I do have to admit that I am getting frustrated with their slow starts though. With a powerplant like the BMW and a cadre of talented engineers they should not start out on the back foot all the time. I can see why Montoya and Ralf left (Ralf=kicked out the door, Juan=left) but I do wish they were still teamies, it was really a good combination. Ralf provided the technical edge and Montoya had the balls. Oh well, we'll see how both pan out in their respective seats.
Jon
PS: If Juan signs a hat for me I might like him again ;)
Jon
PS: If Juan signs a hat for me I might like him again ;)
| Andrman | 05-28-2005 10:08 AM |
I was a Williams fan last year, even though they didn't win much. I sure am enjoying these qualifying results today though! Guess it's time to break out the Williams shirt again.
I also really enjoyed watching R. Schumacher and JPM as teammates for exactly the same reason. That's disappointing about your experience with him. I also shape my opinions about athletes based on personal experience, when possible, and I definitely would not like him after doing that.
I also really enjoyed watching R. Schumacher and JPM as teammates for exactly the same reason. That's disappointing about your experience with him. I also shape my opinions about athletes based on personal experience, when possible, and I definitely would not like him after doing that.
| artkevin | 05-28-2005 11:45 AM |
Its good that they get such good starting positions becasue they fall back about 3 or 4 spots as soon as the light go out. Their starts frustrate the crap out of me. Figure out what Renualt is doing and copy them. There is no reason to turn a second place into a 5th by the first corner just because of your launches.
| finnRex | 05-28-2005 08:50 PM |
Wow, Heidfeld breaks out a P1. That is an eye opener for me. I knew that he was good, but good enough to edge out Kimi? Could be that Kimi is running a heavier fuel load(most likely), but it could be that Nick drove flat out for that lap. Now if he can turn it into 60 some odd laps;)(or however many laps Nurburg is).
Kimi will still take care of business;)
Mika
Kimi will still take care of business;)
Mika
| Dussander | 05-28-2005 11:25 PM |
In regards to Juan's Monaco Practice 4 issue. I didn't see the video for it, but I will have to go with Jenson Button who was commenting for it. He said it didn't look like Juan brake checked Ralf.
| Draken | 05-29-2005 09:42 AM |
WOW! I just lost like 20 points on the pick6 with that last lap. At least Kimi is ok. Strange race overall.
Chris H.
Chris H.
| finnRex | 05-29-2005 09:42 AM |
Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Kimi was doing so dang well taking care of business. That's life, eh? Was it possible that Kimi's flat spotting the tires caused the wishbone to fail? That makes me sad.
Mika
Mika
| Draken | 05-29-2005 09:45 AM |
For sure it was the flat spot. You could easily see the vibration sending all kinds of flexure forces into the wishbone. It actually failed in a downward motion which was interesting.
Chris H.
Chris H.
| amp5 | 05-29-2005 09:49 AM |
doh!!!!!! huge development. P1 to zero points, and to give the race to alonso of all people, the last person he needed to win. Not good at all.
| bal00 | 05-29-2005 11:08 AM |
[QUOTE=Dussander]In regards to Juan's Monaco Practice 4 issue. I didn't see the video for it, but I will have to go with Jenson Button who was commenting for it. He said it didn't look like Juan brake checked Ralf.[/QUOTE]
The Stewarts' decision was based on the telemetry data, which apparently showed he did brake check him.
The Stewarts' decision was based on the telemetry data, which apparently showed he did brake check him.
| TimStevens | 05-29-2005 11:32 AM |
WOW what a race!!! :eek: Best in ages. I have to say, though, if the FIA is really interested in safety, they need to get rid of the one tire rule. It's made the races more interesting, but Kimi's failure was scary as hell (looked like the tire went right into the cockpit), and Massa's wasn't any better. It's unsafe to have tires that explode when flatspotted.
But, anyway, very good for DC... unfortunate that the Minardi team let their driver go when they did, otherwise I think he'd have had 3rd.
But, anyway, very good for DC... unfortunate that the Minardi team let their driver go when they did, otherwise I think he'd have had 3rd.
| Draken | 05-29-2005 11:52 AM |
The one race tire rule is kinda weird. At first I liked it, because imo, the past few years have had too much of the sprint mentality. Short 15 lap sprints where people held station because it was easier to make the pass during the pit stop. And the Michelins seemed to go through their usual good grip, graining, bad grip cycle. It seems to be that people are pushing more through the whole race, albeit maybe not 100% because they are worried about their tires.
I seriously wonder if McClaren would have been penalized for changing that tire? Yes Kimi would have kept some points, but would Charley Whiting have considered that a change a safety issue? I mean, Kimi did screw it up by flat spotting it, and it was obviously hurting his performance. Hard choice, imo.
Anyways, good to see DC up there. I agree, too bad about the timing of the Minardi. Was DC penalized for speeding, or for an unsafe manuever in pit lane?
Chris H.
I seriously wonder if McClaren would have been penalized for changing that tire? Yes Kimi would have kept some points, but would Charley Whiting have considered that a change a safety issue? I mean, Kimi did screw it up by flat spotting it, and it was obviously hurting his performance. Hard choice, imo.
Anyways, good to see DC up there. I agree, too bad about the timing of the Minardi. Was DC penalized for speeding, or for an unsafe manuever in pit lane?
Chris H.
| artkevin | 05-29-2005 12:09 PM |
Wait. What am I missing about the Minadri thing? I don't get it.
Good race. Really spiced up there at the end. I think if anybody can catch Fernado it is Kimi so I have faith in the rest of the season.
What are the opinions on the 1sr corner crash? I am a Webber fan but I think he didn't turn in at all. At the same time I think that he did not have to yet. Sux.
kp
Good race. Really spiced up there at the end. I think if anybody can catch Fernado it is Kimi so I have faith in the rest of the season.
What are the opinions on the 1sr corner crash? I am a Webber fan but I think he didn't turn in at all. At the same time I think that he did not have to yet. Sux.
kp
| dorrington | 05-29-2005 12:50 PM |
Minardi got a penalty for ignoring the blue flags...nick was complaining about it in the post race conference
JPM is always too aggressive...but then again, webber broke too late
DC's performance was impressive, it would have been cool to see them on the podium if it weren't for that drive-through
Fantastic race, the first nail-biter in a while...Kimi doesn't usually make mistakes like that, especially running off the track...I think they could have replaced the tire, but who knew it would cause the control arms to fail?
I definitely think Kimi can do it...it'll continue to be a good season for sure, as long as the McLaren's last the distance
JPM is always too aggressive...but then again, webber broke too late
DC's performance was impressive, it would have been cool to see them on the podium if it weren't for that drive-through
Fantastic race, the first nail-biter in a while...Kimi doesn't usually make mistakes like that, especially running off the track...I think they could have replaced the tire, but who knew it would cause the control arms to fail?
I definitely think Kimi can do it...it'll continue to be a good season for sure, as long as the McLaren's last the distance
| Draken | 05-29-2005 12:51 PM |
DC was given a drive through penalty. I'm not sure if it was unsafe manuever, or exceeding pit lane speed. Basically, he came out of his 1st pit stop right when a Minardi was leaving his pit stall. Couldn't tell how close it was, as the view was out of DC's on board camera. He may have got off the pit speed limiter a little too soon trying to speed past the Minardi.
Chris H.
Chris H.
| dorrington | 05-29-2005 12:52 PM |
did you see how close Kimi came to that BAR!? :eek:
| artkevin | 05-29-2005 02:13 PM |
[QUOTE=dorrington]did you see how close Kimi came to that BAR!? :eek:[/QUOTE]
Huge pucker factor!
Anybody rember the A1 race when Hiedfeld went in front of Montoya backwards after his brakes exploded at turn 1? I think I had about the same puckerness then too.
Huge pucker factor!
Anybody rember the A1 race when Hiedfeld went in front of Montoya backwards after his brakes exploded at turn 1? I think I had about the same puckerness then too.
| TimStevens | 05-29-2005 04:12 PM |
[QUOTE=Draken]DC was given a drive through penalty. I'm not sure if it was unsafe manuever, or exceeding pit lane speed. Basically, he came out of his 1st pit stop right when a Minardi was leaving his pit stall. Couldn't tell how close it was, as the view was out of DC's on board camera. He may have got off the pit speed limiter a little too soon trying to speed past the Minardi.
Chris H.[/QUOTE]
It was for speeding. He said he saw the Minardi coming at him in the pit lane and popped off the pit speed limiter a second too early so that they wouldn't collide.
Chris H.[/QUOTE]
It was for speeding. He said he saw the Minardi coming at him in the pit lane and popped off the pit speed limiter a second too early so that they wouldn't collide.
| boundy3 | 05-29-2005 06:28 PM |
Poor, poor Kimi :(
Lucky, lucky Alonso
Lucky, lucky Alonso
| Phil Jr. | 05-30-2005 12:29 PM |
did anyone record this race? I was working and missed it :( :(
Is there a torrent out for it maybe?
Is there a torrent out for it maybe?
| SolbergWRCfan | 05-30-2005 01:55 PM |
[QUOTE=Dussander]In regards to Juan's Monaco Practice 4 issue. I didn't see the video for it, but I will have to go with Jenson Button who was commenting for it. He said it didn't look like Juan brake checked Ralf.[/QUOTE]
Fanbois? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Jon
Edit: I lost 20 friggin points on the last lap too :furious: :furious: :mad: :mad:
Fanbois? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Jon
Edit: I lost 20 friggin points on the last lap too :furious: :furious: :mad: :mad:
| REXLR8 | 05-30-2005 04:11 PM |
hahahah, most dramatic race ever
| Leonardo | 05-30-2005 04:48 PM |
[QUOTE=dorrington]did you see how close Kimi came to that BAR!? :eek:[/QUOTE]
You guys sure the tires didn't rub at all? It wass too close!
I remember a race(was it last year) that Rubens rear suspention broke and sent him to the wall. Scarry stuff!
You guys sure the tires didn't rub at all? It wass too close!
I remember a race(was it last year) that Rubens rear suspention broke and sent him to the wall. Scarry stuff!
| Andrman | 06-01-2005 10:29 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]Huge pucker factor!
Anybody rember the A1 race when Hiedfeld went in front of Montoya backwards after his brakes exploded at turn 1? I think I had about the same puckerness then too.[/QUOTE]
I would pay $100 for a video showing the BAR's mirrors at that moment :lol:
I'm surprised it didn't distract him, I would assume he wasn't looking, otherwise he would have made an ooopsy in his underpants.
Anybody rember the A1 race when Hiedfeld went in front of Montoya backwards after his brakes exploded at turn 1? I think I had about the same puckerness then too.[/QUOTE]
I would pay $100 for a video showing the BAR's mirrors at that moment :lol:
I'm surprised it didn't distract him, I would assume he wasn't looking, otherwise he would have made an ooopsy in his underpants.
| GarySheehan | 06-01-2005 11:12 PM |
Interesting point about JPM...when I was testing a Barber Dodge Pro car, one of the coaches was talking to me about JPM from when he raced in the Barber Dodge Pro Series. He said something that really surprised me. He said, "Juan would kill you just as soon as pass you. He has no regard for anyone else on the track."
Aside from this, I enjoy watching his car control.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
Aside from this, I enjoy watching his car control.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
| HomerJay | 06-01-2005 11:18 PM |
Geeze. Who didn't go off in that race? I think everybody hit the gravel at least once except Ruebens. I don't know if the new tire rule is proving to be very safe for the drivers. Maybe next year when the car will be down on HP due to much smaller engines, tire wear won't be as a big an issue.
| esteve | 06-02-2005 12:20 AM |
[QUOTE=SolbergWRCfan]Ok, I'll just admit, ever since I met Juan at a CART event and he was a jerk and wouldn't sign a hat I had of his I haven't liked him. I was young and impressionable and he told me to "Bug off kid" when my dad and I were part of the team's hospitality group.
Jon (An F1 fan with a lot of OPINIONS)[/QUOTE]
:lol: :lol:
Well, he could've been more nasty. At least he got along with Vasser, or so it seems.
Jon (An F1 fan with a lot of OPINIONS)[/QUOTE]
:lol: :lol:
Well, he could've been more nasty. At least he got along with Vasser, or so it seems.
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