| engineerx | 08-07-2005 11:55 PM |
Got Wing? Solberg's close call after loosing wing <Video Inside>
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Solberg lost the wing after sliding off the road. When he hit the jump the car's attitude was front-heavy from the lack of downforce in the rear.... see what happens by watching this video I grabbed from the Finland rally.
click here:
[url]http://subaru-wrx-sti.com/web/video/got_wing.wmv[/url]
click here:
[url]http://subaru-wrx-sti.com/web/video/got_wing.wmv[/url]
| Jesse00 | 08-08-2005 12:18 AM |
its quite amusing to see that... he basically dived his car down to the ground then drove into the ditch and flew back up to the road again. I wouldnt mind keeping that wrc wing as a momento though :D
| rites | 08-08-2005 12:22 AM |
Wow, if I ever launch my car off a dirt hill. I'm going to have a wing for sure ha
| SirFozzalot | 08-08-2005 08:33 AM |
:eek: Scary moment for them both!
Amazing how much downforce that spoiler creates. Something like 80Kg so I have heard.
Amazing how much downforce that spoiler creates. Something like 80Kg so I have heard.
| Osgood30 | 08-08-2005 08:55 AM |
ohhh, bloddy hell!
| Predwolf | 08-08-2005 09:36 AM |
Awesome.
He lost a bunch of time on that..
Who knows, he might've been up there with Loeb, or ahead of him if that hadn't have happend.
He lost a bunch of time on that..
Who knows, he might've been up there with Loeb, or ahead of him if that hadn't have happend.
| Skobie | 08-08-2005 10:07 AM |
It made me call out "Holy S..t" last night while watching alone in my family room!
| FUJITSTIBO | 08-08-2005 10:11 AM |
haha that reminds me of the legacy commercials where the fwd cars where on their noses and the rwd's were on their ass
| root | 08-08-2005 10:12 AM |
I ended up airborne once (well, twice) in my STi. Thing felt so perfectly balanced and level the whole time. Came down flat and solid. It was meant to fly (with the wing intact).
| Supaboom | 08-08-2005 10:17 AM |
saw that last night on the speed channel, freakin crazy! i had no idea how much those wings really help those cars especially when they get airborne
that one co-driver from the peugot (sp) team (i think) seemed to really take a beating on that one hard landing they had, didn't have his breath for a minute or so and coudln't talk!
that one co-driver from the peugot (sp) team (i think) seemed to really take a beating on that one hard landing they had, didn't have his breath for a minute or so and coudln't talk!
| bemani | 08-08-2005 10:30 AM |
[QUOTE=SirFozzalot]:eek: Scary moment for them both!
Amazing how much downforce that spoiler creates. Something like 80Kg so I have heard.[/QUOTE]
From the way the car dives its got to be more than that. 80kg is unless for a wing.
Amazing how much downforce that spoiler creates. Something like 80Kg so I have heard.[/QUOTE]
From the way the car dives its got to be more than that. 80kg is unless for a wing.
| stiIV | 08-08-2005 11:28 AM |
Having taken the wing off my STi I now have a definitive answer to the question I get asked the most: "Won't that affect the handling?" :)
| engineerx | 08-08-2005 11:48 AM |
[QUOTE=Supaboom]saw that last night on the speed channel, freakin crazy! i had no idea how much those wings really help those cars especially when they get airborne
that one co-driver from the peugot (sp) team (i think) seemed to really take a beating on that one hard landing they had, didn't have his breath for a minute or so and coudln't talk![/QUOTE]
Yeah - M.Groholm's (sp) co driver and about 4 others got the wind knocked out after a harsh landing at same jump. The guy could not breathe/talk and was close to quitting but had a green light from doctors and went on to elp Marcus win the rally. They said that bcause the co drivers don't have anything to grab onto and don't know exactly when car is jumping the landing is unexpected and that jump was just right to knock wind out - crazy!
[QUOTE=stiIV]Having taken the wing off my STi I now have a definitive answer to the question I get asked the most: "Won't that affect the handling?" :)[/QUOTE]
Ha - when going 80mph + (?) or jumping like Solberg it sure will !
that one co-driver from the peugot (sp) team (i think) seemed to really take a beating on that one hard landing they had, didn't have his breath for a minute or so and coudln't talk![/QUOTE]
Yeah - M.Groholm's (sp) co driver and about 4 others got the wind knocked out after a harsh landing at same jump. The guy could not breathe/talk and was close to quitting but had a green light from doctors and went on to elp Marcus win the rally. They said that bcause the co drivers don't have anything to grab onto and don't know exactly when car is jumping the landing is unexpected and that jump was just right to knock wind out - crazy!
[QUOTE=stiIV]Having taken the wing off my STi I now have a definitive answer to the question I get asked the most: "Won't that affect the handling?" :)[/QUOTE]
Ha - when going 80mph + (?) or jumping like Solberg it sure will !
| ozieleon04 | 08-08-2005 11:54 AM |
that was a close one, if i ever did that i would probably end up against one of those trees!
| kic | 08-08-2005 12:43 PM |
I thought it was amazing he was able to come out of that relatively unscathed (him and Mills, not the car). The nosedive landing was awful, and then flying off to the side only to make it back onto the road and keep going...amazing. Just amazing.
| artkevin | 08-08-2005 12:55 PM |
Very large pucker factor.
| engineerx | 08-08-2005 01:18 PM |
The Aussie driver, Solberg's team mate did not fare any better.. ended up in a ditch
I'll see if I upload the video as well later - not as spectacular as this one.
Next rally is Germany
Petter has bad memories of it :
Destroyed his car after hitting those damned henckelsteins (sp)
[url]http://subaru-wrx-sti.com/web/video/ouch.wmv[/url]
I'll see if I upload the video as well later - not as spectacular as this one.
Next rally is Germany
Petter has bad memories of it :
Destroyed his car after hitting those damned henckelsteins (sp)
[url]http://subaru-wrx-sti.com/web/video/ouch.wmv[/url]
| bemani | 08-08-2005 01:43 PM |
Isn't this the 2nd or 3rd time that the car has lost its wing this year? Maybe they need to make a more durable wing.
| WHTSTirex | 08-08-2005 02:27 PM |
[QUOTE=bemani]Isn't this the 2nd or 3rd time that the car has lost its wing this year? Maybe they need to make a more durable wing.[/QUOTE]
80 mph + tree = doesnt matter how durable the wing is, itz coming off. actually it wasnt just the wing, it ripped the whole trunk lid off. almost the whole rear end. i think the bumper was dragging also. much respect for the recover after the jump. that was some insane driving through the bushes.
80 mph + tree = doesnt matter how durable the wing is, itz coming off. actually it wasnt just the wing, it ripped the whole trunk lid off. almost the whole rear end. i think the bumper was dragging also. much respect for the recover after the jump. that was some insane driving through the bushes.
| WRXPRESS | 08-08-2005 02:35 PM |
god they were lucky to save that car. He's lucky he only lost one position from that incident.
| Mopho | 08-08-2005 02:51 PM |
He was lucky not to hit any spectators (and the speccies were lucky too). Did you notice the flash of the spectators going buy in the incar?
| 8Complex | 08-08-2005 03:26 PM |
I wonder if he could've held the nose up by nailing the throttle like you do with an RC car... :lol:
| CirrusWRX | 08-08-2005 04:16 PM |
[QUOTE=8Complex]I wonder if he could've held the nose up by nailing the throttle like you do with an RC car... :lol:[/QUOTE]
:lol:
Jeremy McGrath stylee :lol:
[IMG]http://www.reviewjournal.com/images/webextras/gallery/moran/mcgrath_jeremy.jpg[/IMG]
:lol:
Jeremy McGrath stylee :lol:
[IMG]http://www.reviewjournal.com/images/webextras/gallery/moran/mcgrath_jeremy.jpg[/IMG]
| engineerx | 08-08-2005 04:54 PM |
[QUOTE=8Complex]I wonder if he could've held the nose up by nailing the throttle like you do with an RC car... :lol:[/QUOTE]
hahaha!!
yeah - the inertia of the wheels can make the nose pitch up or if you brake pitch down....
I always thought European rally spectators were the most hardcore of all motorsports- frigging human cones!
hahaha!!
yeah - the inertia of the wheels can make the nose pitch up or if you brake pitch down....
I always thought European rally spectators were the most hardcore of all motorsports- frigging human cones!
| WRXPRESS | 08-08-2005 05:25 PM |
My wife and I were just commenting on that last night...those people are freakin insane.
| mykrrrr | 08-08-2005 06:00 PM |
Why does he keep losing the rear wing??? :huh: Last year it was trouble w/the front splitter & water crossings and this year it's the decklid.
I felt bad for Timo. He was still trying to call notes after the big landing. That's admirable. :D
-mykr.
I felt bad for Timo. He was still trying to call notes after the big landing. That's admirable. :D
-mykr.
| wvallwheeldrive | 08-08-2005 07:20 PM |
he didn't just lose the wing the whole TRUNK came off
| MattDell | 08-08-2005 07:36 PM |
[QUOTE=kic]I thought it was amazing he was able to come out of that relatively unscathed (him and Mills, not the car). The nosedive landing was awful, and then flying off to the side only to make it back onto the road and keep going...amazing. Just amazing.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but did you see Mills? He was prepared for impact and I wouldn't be surprised if his underpants were brown! :eek:
Yeah, but did you see Mills? He was prepared for impact and I wouldn't be surprised if his underpants were brown! :eek:
| MattDell | 08-08-2005 07:36 PM |
[QUOTE=wvallwheeldrive]he didn't just lose the wing the whole TRUNK came off[/QUOTE]
Yeah, and that happened in Argentina, too.
Yeah, and that happened in Argentina, too.
| mykrrrr | 08-08-2005 08:59 PM |
[QUOTE=wvallwheeldrive]he didn't just lose the wing the whole TRUNK came off[/QUOTE]
Yeah I know that but I wonder why he keep losing it???
-mykr.
Yeah I know that but I wonder why he keep losing it???
-mykr.
| thechickencow | 08-08-2005 10:11 PM |
They should make the wing/trunk out of carbon fiber.
| datageek | 08-08-2005 10:47 PM |
[QUOTE=thechickencow]They should make the wing/trunk out of carbon fiber.[/QUOTE]
They DO make the wing out of carbon fiber. It doesn't matter what it's made of, if it ain't on the car, it ain't doing any good.
They DO make the wing out of carbon fiber. It doesn't matter what it's made of, if it ain't on the car, it ain't doing any good.
| Jon Bogert | 08-08-2005 11:23 PM |
[QUOTE=stiIV]Having taken the wing off my STi I now have a definitive answer to the question I get asked the most: "Won't that affect the handling?" :)[/QUOTE]Answer's still no. :lol:
The STI ([i]without[/i] the WRC front spoiler, splitter, underbody and rear wing, of course) jumps about the same with or without the street car rear wing. Trying to draw this sort of comparison is not just apples vs oranges--it's more like apples vs bowling balls.
The STI ([i]without[/i] the WRC front spoiler, splitter, underbody and rear wing, of course) jumps about the same with or without the street car rear wing. Trying to draw this sort of comparison is not just apples vs oranges--it's more like apples vs bowling balls.
| MattDell | 08-09-2005 12:14 AM |
[QUOTE=datageek]They DO make the wing out of carbon fiber. It doesn't matter what it's made of, if it ain't on the car, it ain't doing any good.[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://www.mattdell.com/gallery/albums/caranddriver50th/caranddriver50th33.jpg[/IMG]
You sure it's CF?
[IMG]http://www.mattdell.com/gallery/albums/caranddriver50th/caranddriver50th33.jpg[/IMG]
You sure it's CF?
| Mopho | 08-09-2005 01:16 AM |
[QUOTE=MattDell]
You sure it's CF?[/QUOTE]
Yes, it is
The car (in your photo) is the one Subaru shows around in the US and is a replica WRC car built just for shows. It is probably fiberglass on the show car to save money
(also note rear window defroster- I am pretty sure the WRC car has lightweight glass w/o defroster)
Here is a wing shot I took of the car used in competition
[IMG]http://www.subaru.net/media/2004/catalunya/dayone/images/DSC_7620.jpg[/IMG]
You sure it's CF?[/QUOTE]
Yes, it is
The car (in your photo) is the one Subaru shows around in the US and is a replica WRC car built just for shows. It is probably fiberglass on the show car to save money
(also note rear window defroster- I am pretty sure the WRC car has lightweight glass w/o defroster)
Here is a wing shot I took of the car used in competition
[IMG]http://www.subaru.net/media/2004/catalunya/dayone/images/DSC_7620.jpg[/IMG]
| MattDell | 08-09-2005 01:24 AM |
Good eye on the defroster. I was pretty sure it was CF, but then I couldn't figure out why it was flat black in my picture.
Now I know. :cool:
Now I know. :cool:
| RRR-K2 | 08-09-2005 10:24 AM |
[QUOTE=mykrrrr]Yeah I know that but I wonder why he keep losing it???
-mykr.[/QUOTE]
I think it's a language barrier problem. :rolleyes:
When Petter was in the US for his recent "promotional tour" an old-school American rally driver gave him a tried-and-true tip on how to make the car faster. They must have had trouble translating it into Japanese though, because apparantly the boys back home got the message that that the trunk is supposed to fall off after the first stage instead of the exhaust :lol:
Matt Kennedy
[URL=http://www.RockyRoadRacing.com][U][COLOR=DarkRed]www.RockyRoadRacing.com[/COLOR][/U][/URL]
-mykr.[/QUOTE]
I think it's a language barrier problem. :rolleyes:
When Petter was in the US for his recent "promotional tour" an old-school American rally driver gave him a tried-and-true tip on how to make the car faster. They must have had trouble translating it into Japanese though, because apparantly the boys back home got the message that that the trunk is supposed to fall off after the first stage instead of the exhaust :lol:
Matt Kennedy
[URL=http://www.RockyRoadRacing.com][U][COLOR=DarkRed]www.RockyRoadRacing.com[/COLOR][/U][/URL]
| Seeing StaRS | 08-18-2005 10:02 PM |
[QUOTE=Mopho]Yes, it is
The car (in your photo) is the one Subaru shows around in the US and is a replica WRC car built just for shows. It is probably fiberglass on the show car to save money
(also note rear window defroster- I am pretty sure the WRC car has lightweight glass w/o defroster)
Here is a wing shot I took of the car used in competition
[IMG]http://www.subaru.net/media/2004/catalunya/dayone/images/DSC_7620.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Wow that is a really pointed observation. Good detective work
joe
The car (in your photo) is the one Subaru shows around in the US and is a replica WRC car built just for shows. It is probably fiberglass on the show car to save money
(also note rear window defroster- I am pretty sure the WRC car has lightweight glass w/o defroster)
Here is a wing shot I took of the car used in competition
[IMG]http://www.subaru.net/media/2004/catalunya/dayone/images/DSC_7620.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Wow that is a really pointed observation. Good detective work
joe
| Mopho | 08-18-2005 11:40 PM |
[QUOTE=Seeing StaRS]Wow that is a really pointed observation. Good detective work
joe[/QUOTE]
No detective work really (the photo is from my archive), I make part of my living photographing rally, so been around the car a bit
joe[/QUOTE]
No detective work really (the photo is from my archive), I make part of my living photographing rally, so been around the car a bit
| Shavenyak | 08-19-2005 01:13 AM |
[QUOTE=engineerx]The Aussie driver, Solberg's team mate did not fare any better.. ended up in a ditch
I'll see if I upload the video as well later - not as spectacular as this one.
Next rally is Germany
Petter has bad memories of it :
Destroyed his car after hitting those damned henckelsteins (sp)
[url]http://subaru-wrx-sti.com/web/video/ouch.wmv[/url][/QUOTE]
I know cars get exposed to some extreme forces during crashes, but it seems to me that Solberg's roll cage should have held up better than it did in that video. Anyone agree?
I'll see if I upload the video as well later - not as spectacular as this one.
Next rally is Germany
Petter has bad memories of it :
Destroyed his car after hitting those damned henckelsteins (sp)
[url]http://subaru-wrx-sti.com/web/video/ouch.wmv[/url][/QUOTE]
I know cars get exposed to some extreme forces during crashes, but it seems to me that Solberg's roll cage should have held up better than it did in that video. Anyone agree?
| engineerx | 08-19-2005 01:22 AM |
It was disscussed before on the Thread where I originally posted that video that "YES" & "NO"
- You want the occupant compartment to keeps its shape for the most part
- You want the rest of car to absorb energy by deforming
this was one of those "odd" crashes : the roof hit one of those concrete heinkelsteins things and a great deal of the impact force was applied on the roof , so it crushed. THe cage did its job, the occupants survived the first nasty impact....
- You want the occupant compartment to keeps its shape for the most part
- You want the rest of car to absorb energy by deforming
this was one of those "odd" crashes : the roof hit one of those concrete heinkelsteins things and a great deal of the impact force was applied on the roof , so it crushed. THe cage did its job, the occupants survived the first nasty impact....
| Protege Menace | 08-19-2005 02:27 AM |
we did a nosedive like that at 100AW.
almost went into trees :(
stupid LWBs
almost went into trees :(
stupid LWBs
| Shavenyak | 08-19-2005 02:39 AM |
[QUOTE=engineerx]It was disscussed before on the Thread where I originally posted that video that "YES" & "NO"
- You want the occupant compartment to keeps its shape for the most part
- You want the rest of car to absorb energy by deforming
this was one of those "odd" crashes : the roof hit one of those concrete heinkelsteins things and a great deal of the impact force was applied on the roof , so it crushed. THe cage did its job, the occupants survived the first nasty impact....[/QUOTE]
I completely understand the energy absorbing benefit of the car deforming. Crumple zones and all. ;) In rally, it seems that if you crash, you're gonna FREAKIN CRASH so the cage should be built to take 3+ hits, no? I wonder if they re-evaluated their cage building materials/technique after that crash.
Thanks!
--Roman
- You want the occupant compartment to keeps its shape for the most part
- You want the rest of car to absorb energy by deforming
this was one of those "odd" crashes : the roof hit one of those concrete heinkelsteins things and a great deal of the impact force was applied on the roof , so it crushed. THe cage did its job, the occupants survived the first nasty impact....[/QUOTE]
I completely understand the energy absorbing benefit of the car deforming. Crumple zones and all. ;) In rally, it seems that if you crash, you're gonna FREAKIN CRASH so the cage should be built to take 3+ hits, no? I wonder if they re-evaluated their cage building materials/technique after that crash.
Thanks!
--Roman
| Xhermes | 08-19-2005 07:54 AM |
The best thing about Gronholm was he memorized the course so he only lost like 2 seconds without pace notes! Petter yeh well... He has his own style with the back-end coming out a lot so sometimes you hit something ;)
Germany is next nice to have a bit of grip again ;)
Germany is next nice to have a bit of grip again ;)
| Calamity Jesus | 08-19-2005 08:59 AM |
So, we do actually have any proof that this was caused by only the wing being missing? I have a hard time believing that a pitch rate like that was caused soley by aerodynamics on a rally car. Are we sure Solberg didn't feel that the rear end was a bit sloppy and jab the brakes right before cresting? I know that Grist knows his stuff.. so I'm inclined to believe him.. but I just can't.
[QUOTE=thechickencow]They should make the wing/trunk out of carbon fiber.[/QUOTE] :lol:
I can't believe none of you got the joke. Not enough OT in Motorsports.
(hint: carbonfiberishardtodamage)
[QUOTE=thechickencow]They should make the wing/trunk out of carbon fiber.[/QUOTE] :lol:
I can't believe none of you got the joke. Not enough OT in Motorsports.
(hint: carbonfiberishardtodamage)
| Calamity Jesus | 08-19-2005 09:03 AM |
[QUOTE=SCOOBY-RU]I completely understand the energy absorbing benefit of the car deforming. Crumple zones and all. ;) In rally, it seems that if you crash, you're gonna FREAKIN CRASH so the cage should be built to take 3+ hits, no? I wonder if they re-evaluated their cage building materials/technique after that crash.
Thanks!
--Roman[/QUOTE]Considering what they hit in that crash, I don't know that there's any way to build a car against that. If that corner of the cell had held rigid when impacting the massive block of concrete, it might have scrambled their internals. I'd rather get a few broken bones and cut out of the car than internal hemorrhaging.
Thanks!
--Roman[/QUOTE]Considering what they hit in that crash, I don't know that there's any way to build a car against that. If that corner of the cell had held rigid when impacting the massive block of concrete, it might have scrambled their internals. I'd rather get a few broken bones and cut out of the car than internal hemorrhaging.
| Shavenyak | 08-19-2005 12:51 PM |
[QUOTE=Beaverboy]Considering what they hit in that crash, I don't know that there's any way to build a car against that. If that corner of the cell had held rigid when impacting the massive block of concrete, it might have scrambled their internals. I'd rather get a few broken bones and cut out of the car than internal hemorrhaging.[/QUOTE]
Good point. I know that used to be an issue with the old 60's indy cars. You could crash the car on Friday and Race it again on Monday, but you had to rinse the driver out of the tub.
--Roman
Good point. I know that used to be an issue with the old 60's indy cars. You could crash the car on Friday and Race it again on Monday, but you had to rinse the driver out of the tub.
--Roman
| flatfourwgn | 08-19-2005 01:54 PM |
[QUOTE=Beaverboy]So, we do actually have any proof that this was caused by only the wing being missing? I have a hard time believing that a pitch rate like that was caused soley by aerodynamics on a rally car. Are we sure Solberg didn't feel that the rear end was a bit sloppy and jab the brakes right before cresting? I know that Grist knows his stuff.. so I'm inclined to believe him.. but I just can't.
:lol:
I can't believe none of you got the joke. Not enough OT in Motorsports.
(hint: carbonfiberishardtodamage)[/QUOTE]
yes, they create incredible amounts or downforce; 80kg would be a low estimate. I will have to contact my friend who went over to England to get his MSc in Racecar Eng and Management at Cranfield Univ. He was at Prodrive for a few days, so I'll see what sort of info he was privy to. I wouldn't be surprised if it's over 100kg (but I may be wrong).
The aero programs they go through is insane. All of those vertical 'supports' are there for a reason... to prevent Petter from hanging the back end as far as he does. Essentially it acts as a sail to prevent motion in yaw.
oh and jabbing the brakes makes it worse... pitching the car forward even more. Definitely NOT a possibility in this case - we all know Petter knows only the words flat out. ;)
:lol:
I can't believe none of you got the joke. Not enough OT in Motorsports.
(hint: carbonfiberishardtodamage)[/QUOTE]
yes, they create incredible amounts or downforce; 80kg would be a low estimate. I will have to contact my friend who went over to England to get his MSc in Racecar Eng and Management at Cranfield Univ. He was at Prodrive for a few days, so I'll see what sort of info he was privy to. I wouldn't be surprised if it's over 100kg (but I may be wrong).
The aero programs they go through is insane. All of those vertical 'supports' are there for a reason... to prevent Petter from hanging the back end as far as he does. Essentially it acts as a sail to prevent motion in yaw.
oh and jabbing the brakes makes it worse... pitching the car forward even more. Definitely NOT a possibility in this case - we all know Petter knows only the words flat out. ;)
| Homemade WRX | 08-19-2005 03:02 PM |
wow, I didn't realize that the aero on the WRC cars was that drastic...
| Crashton | 08-19-2005 08:39 PM |
[QUOTE=Mopho]He was lucky not to hit any spectators (and the speccies were lucky too). Did you notice the flash of the spectators going buy in the incar?[/QUOTE]
Yep that was a close one for [B]all involved[/B]. In & out of the car. Spectating at yumps is a very precarious past time. :huh:
Chuck
Yep that was a close one for [B]all involved[/B]. In & out of the car. Spectating at yumps is a very precarious past time. :huh:
Chuck
| RRR-K2 | 08-19-2005 10:50 PM |
[QUOTE=Homemade WRX]wow, I didn't realize that the aero on the WRC cars was that drastic...[/QUOTE]
That's why they've spent a lot of time (starting with the "bug-eye" body style) working on the front bumper cover/air dam to increase air flow efficiency (cooling, etc.) when the car is traveling at an angle (i.e. sideways) ;)
Matt Kennedy
[URL=http://www.RockyRoadRacing.com][U][COLOR=DarkRed]www.RockyRoadRacing.com[/COLOR][/U][/URL]
That's why they've spent a lot of time (starting with the "bug-eye" body style) working on the front bumper cover/air dam to increase air flow efficiency (cooling, etc.) when the car is traveling at an angle (i.e. sideways) ;)
Matt Kennedy
[URL=http://www.RockyRoadRacing.com][U][COLOR=DarkRed]www.RockyRoadRacing.com[/COLOR][/U][/URL]
| jared nelson | 08-20-2005 07:36 PM |
aero dynamics is huge, and downforce in the rear is a huge part of the cars handling on the ground and airborn. there is no question if that was the reason he nosedived. that is the reason, and the only reason. rear spoilers create emmense amounts of downforce. I heard that the standard porsche 996 rear spoiler created like 800 lbs of downforce at under 100 miles per hour. and im sure many of you have heard the possible myth that f1 cars create enough downforce to drive upside down. that would be a cool mythbusters episode.
anyways, id like to see some actual facts rather than just heresay, on how much actual downforce is created by that wing.
ps i cant believe no one has referenced GT4 yet.
anyways, id like to see some actual facts rather than just heresay, on how much actual downforce is created by that wing.
ps i cant believe no one has referenced GT4 yet.
| super-ru | 08-23-2005 03:59 AM |
[QUOTE=jared nelson]im sure many of you have heard the possible myth that f1 cars create enough downforce to drive upside down. that would be a cool mythbusters episode.[/QUOTE]
I like to see that, haha! I'm sure F-1's generate more downforce than the weight of the actual car, it's been proven the aero makes a difference at speeds as low at 20 mph. At over 100 it wouldn't suprise me at all for the car to drive upside down.
I like to see that, haha! I'm sure F-1's generate more downforce than the weight of the actual car, it's been proven the aero makes a difference at speeds as low at 20 mph. At over 100 it wouldn't suprise me at all for the car to drive upside down.
| BeeGee | 08-23-2005 11:22 AM |
[QUOTE=flatfourwgn]All of those vertical 'supports' are there for a reason... to prevent Petter from hanging the back end as far as he does. Essentially it acts as a sail to prevent motion in yaw.[/QUOTE]
I read somewhere that in addition to that they also force air over the spoiler perpendicularly while the car is drifting so that no downforce is lost.
I read somewhere that in addition to that they also force air over the spoiler perpendicularly while the car is drifting so that no downforce is lost.
| CirrusWRX | 08-23-2005 12:01 PM |
[QUOTE=super-ru]I like to see that, haha! I'm sure F-1's generate more downforce than the weight of the actual car, it's been proven the aero makes a difference at speeds as low at 20 mph. At over 100 it wouldn't suprise me at all for the car to drive upside down.[/QUOTE]
The Saleen S7 also makes claim to the "scoot across the ceiling at 121 mph" or whatever. Impressive for a "street" car. I would imagine this also takes into account both the coefficient of lift generated by the car and gravity.
Or it could just be rumors on the Internets.
The Saleen S7 also makes claim to the "scoot across the ceiling at 121 mph" or whatever. Impressive for a "street" car. I would imagine this also takes into account both the coefficient of lift generated by the car and gravity.
Or it could just be rumors on the Internets.
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