| erich_sc | 03-18-2004 02:47 PM |
GP Malaysia
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Alrighty, here are my picks, better get yours in soon!
1. M.Schumacher;
2. J.Montoya;
3. F.Alonso;
4. R.Barrichello;
5. K.Raikkonen;
6. R.Schumacher;
7. J.Button;
8. D.Coulthard
Good luck!
-Erich
1. M.Schumacher;
2. J.Montoya;
3. F.Alonso;
4. R.Barrichello;
5. K.Raikkonen;
6. R.Schumacher;
7. J.Button;
8. D.Coulthard
Good luck!
-Erich
| BillT | 03-18-2004 03:00 PM |
Here's mine...
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1. MS
2. JPM
3. RB
4. FA
5. JB
6. Ralphie
7. DC
8. MW
I think one of the McLaren's will self-destruct during the race and I'm betting that it will be Kimi's - though I think he'll be in the 3rd or 4th spot and charging hard when it happens. I'm hoping that Jag has ironed out their reliability problems and Webber is able to finish the race. If MS win's this one in a similar fashion as the OZ race, then we could be seeing a repeat of the 2002 season as Bridgestone will have gotten their act together and produced good rubber for all conditions!
2. JPM
3. RB
4. FA
5. JB
6. Ralphie
7. DC
8. MW
I think one of the McLaren's will self-destruct during the race and I'm betting that it will be Kimi's - though I think he'll be in the 3rd or 4th spot and charging hard when it happens. I'm hoping that Jag has ironed out their reliability problems and Webber is able to finish the race. If MS win's this one in a similar fashion as the OZ race, then we could be seeing a repeat of the 2002 season as Bridgestone will have gotten their act together and produced good rubber for all conditions!
| tee_rexx | 03-18-2004 03:37 PM |
Yep........I am pretty sure that it will be those guys in some order or another.:lol:
Anyway, I personally think Alonso is going to be the next big thing. And the bad thing about Malaysia..........staying up half the night to watch it live. Sheeeesh.
Anyway, I personally think Alonso is going to be the next big thing. And the bad thing about Malaysia..........staying up half the night to watch it live. Sheeeesh.
| AndyRoo | 03-18-2004 04:40 PM |
1. MS
2. FA
3. JPM
4. RB
5. JB
6. RS
7. GF
8. MW
I wish there was a spec tire...i like seeing drivers competing instead of tire companies.
And i hope it rains! That would make it interesting.
2. FA
3. JPM
4. RB
5. JB
6. RS
7. GF
8. MW
I wish there was a spec tire...i like seeing drivers competing instead of tire companies.
And i hope it rains! That would make it interesting.
| gtguy | 03-18-2004 05:08 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by AndyRoo [/i]
[B]I wish there was a spec tire...i like seeing drivers competing instead of tire companies.
And i hope it rains! That would make it interesting. [/B][/QUOTE]
Amen, amen. Though if it rained (and rain is predicted for race day), you would see a can of wide-open Bridgestone whoopass. Their intermediate and rain rubber is superior to that of Michelin.
1. MS (had the fastest laps last year, but the Trulli thing killed him)
2. FA (on the move, with a track that he loves)
3. RS (has something to prove, particularly after mouthing off)
4. JPM (will be right there)
5. RB (Bridgestone rubber will be good, but not good enough)
6. KR (McLaren will be better, but still off the pace)
7. DC (fuel strategy...)
8. Trulli (he's fast, but not THAT fast)
If it rains, however...
1. MS
2. RB
3. DC
4. GF (Fisi can drive, and the Sauber's on B-stones)
5. JPM
6. KR
7. RS
8. MW
Note that there are no BARs in the hopper. I think their pace in Australia won't last, and you can actually pass at Malaysia.
Kevin
[B]I wish there was a spec tire...i like seeing drivers competing instead of tire companies.
And i hope it rains! That would make it interesting. [/B][/QUOTE]
Amen, amen. Though if it rained (and rain is predicted for race day), you would see a can of wide-open Bridgestone whoopass. Their intermediate and rain rubber is superior to that of Michelin.
1. MS (had the fastest laps last year, but the Trulli thing killed him)
2. FA (on the move, with a track that he loves)
3. RS (has something to prove, particularly after mouthing off)
4. JPM (will be right there)
5. RB (Bridgestone rubber will be good, but not good enough)
6. KR (McLaren will be better, but still off the pace)
7. DC (fuel strategy...)
8. Trulli (he's fast, but not THAT fast)
If it rains, however...
1. MS
2. RB
3. DC
4. GF (Fisi can drive, and the Sauber's on B-stones)
5. JPM
6. KR
7. RS
8. MW
Note that there are no BARs in the hopper. I think their pace in Australia won't last, and you can actually pass at Malaysia.
Kevin
| HoRo1 | 03-18-2004 05:12 PM |
If Ferrari in general, and Schumacher in particular, wins then the season is over.
| skuttledude | 03-18-2004 06:19 PM |
Don't forget to turn in your picks...Here's the website that we are using: [url]http://www.motorsport.com/compete/p6/index.asp?S=F1[/url]
Sign up now if you haven't already.
I'll turn my picks in after qualifying:)
Davis
Sign up now if you haven't already.
I'll turn my picks in after qualifying:)
Davis
| erich_sc | 03-18-2004 07:20 PM |
I didn't think you could pick after qualifying? Also the usergroup is impreza.net if I'm not mistaken.
| AndyRoo | 03-18-2004 09:40 PM |
Fisi can drive and the rain shows who the real drivers are. Remember, he got his win in some heavy rain, in a freakin Jordan.
| rupertberr | 03-18-2004 10:04 PM |
OK. Now I am at the right spot. :eek:
Predictions:
It will be hot.:D
1. Michael
2. Ruebens
3. Ferrari test driver -1 lap.
4. Ferrari transporter -2 laps.
5. Ferrari fan club president -3 laps.
6. Ferrari PR girl -4 laps.
7. Ferrari Grid girl -5 laps.
8. Alonso -6 laps.
Should be a good one.;)
Predictions:
It will be hot.:D
1. Michael
2. Ruebens
3. Ferrari test driver -1 lap.
4. Ferrari transporter -2 laps.
5. Ferrari fan club president -3 laps.
6. Ferrari PR girl -4 laps.
7. Ferrari Grid girl -5 laps.
8. Alonso -6 laps.
Should be a good one.;)
| OnTheGas | 03-18-2004 10:27 PM |
Sepang Pick 'em!
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Yeah, our group is "impreza.net"! We have pretty big group so far, more than 20 members!
You must have your picks in by 6AM local time on Friday of the race weekend, (Thursday @ Monaco). Because Malaysia is on the other side of the international date line, my picks should have been posted more than 5 hours ago... Doh!
But no worries, because they roll over your picks from the previous race. So here are my roll-over picks from Australia:[list=1][*][b]Michael[/b] - He's awesome, the car is fast, and I believe this year the B-stones will be decent in the heat.[*][b]Juan[/b] - Perhaps the fastest car on Michelins when given a clear track. I hope the Michelin's still have some hot track advantage.[*][b]Rubens[/b] - Very fast... Driving very well, so if Michael's fast, Rubinho will be nearby.[*][b]Kimi[/b] - This was my 4th place pick in OZ, but it would be surprising to see a McLaren in the top 4, (unless the Bridgestones just can't match the Michelins!)[*][b]Ralfie[/b] - The dumb one... aka Mr. Inconsistant! Turned a nice performance at OZ, and has done well at Sepang, so I would have picked him to place higher than 5th.[*][b]David[/b] - Another inconsistant driver... I picked him to finish 6th at OZ, but I'd place him lower here, if I could.[*][b]Jarno[/b] - A very fast driver... sometimes ran w/Fernando last year, sometimes got smoked![*][b]Fernando[/b] - The kid looked real good in OZ! I would have placed him higher than 8th here, if I had got my picks in on time![/list=1]
You must have your picks in by 6AM local time on Friday of the race weekend, (Thursday @ Monaco). Because Malaysia is on the other side of the international date line, my picks should have been posted more than 5 hours ago... Doh!
But no worries, because they roll over your picks from the previous race. So here are my roll-over picks from Australia:[list=1][*][b]Michael[/b] - He's awesome, the car is fast, and I believe this year the B-stones will be decent in the heat.[*][b]Juan[/b] - Perhaps the fastest car on Michelins when given a clear track. I hope the Michelin's still have some hot track advantage.[*][b]Rubens[/b] - Very fast... Driving very well, so if Michael's fast, Rubinho will be nearby.[*][b]Kimi[/b] - This was my 4th place pick in OZ, but it would be surprising to see a McLaren in the top 4, (unless the Bridgestones just can't match the Michelins!)[*][b]Ralfie[/b] - The dumb one... aka Mr. Inconsistant! Turned a nice performance at OZ, and has done well at Sepang, so I would have picked him to place higher than 5th.[*][b]David[/b] - Another inconsistant driver... I picked him to finish 6th at OZ, but I'd place him lower here, if I could.[*][b]Jarno[/b] - A very fast driver... sometimes ran w/Fernando last year, sometimes got smoked![*][b]Fernando[/b] - The kid looked real good in OZ! I would have placed him higher than 8th here, if I had got my picks in on time![/list=1]
| speedyHAM | 03-18-2004 10:43 PM |
F.Alonso- but only if it rains like it can only in Malaysia.
Otherwise-
JPM
KR
RS
DC
and DNF'ing- MS, hey, I figure it has to happen eventually and where better than a hot humid course?
Otherwise-
JPM
KR
RS
DC
and DNF'ing- MS, hey, I figure it has to happen eventually and where better than a hot humid course?
| ArtGecko | 03-18-2004 10:43 PM |
Mine appear to have gone in OK without any late notification.
M.Schumacher
F.Alonso
D.Coulthard
K.Raikkonen
J.Montoya
R.Schumacher
R.Barrichello
G.Fisichella
Steve
M.Schumacher
F.Alonso
D.Coulthard
K.Raikkonen
J.Montoya
R.Schumacher
R.Barrichello
G.Fisichella
Steve
| gtguy | 03-18-2004 10:51 PM |
Ruh roh....
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Malaysia practice is even more stunning than Australia. In the first session, M. Schumacher is seven tenths faster than Barrichello, and 1.4 seconds faster than Montoya. Everybody else is sucking red car fumes.
Speed Channel is showing the second practice session at midnight CST. In Australia, the practice sessions mirrored the race, even though Ferrari were running soft Bridgestone rubber on a trial basis. The other teams canNOT be happy about those practice times.
This just in...Schumacher just put the hammer down, stretching the gap. Raikkonen is now in fourth place behind Zonta (something's weird?). The gap from Schumacher to Raikkonen? 1.8 seconds, and 2.1 to Montoya. Wow...
Kevin
Speed Channel is showing the second practice session at midnight CST. In Australia, the practice sessions mirrored the race, even though Ferrari were running soft Bridgestone rubber on a trial basis. The other teams canNOT be happy about those practice times.
This just in...Schumacher just put the hammer down, stretching the gap. Raikkonen is now in fourth place behind Zonta (something's weird?). The gap from Schumacher to Raikkonen? 1.8 seconds, and 2.1 to Montoya. Wow...
Kevin
| Dussander | 03-18-2004 11:09 PM |
Well, if you add up all their best sector times, Juan comes out in second, but still WAY (.9s) behind Michael.
:mad:
This is going to be a long year.
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This is going to be a long year.
| OnTheGas | 03-19-2004 02:20 AM |
Tires Consistantly Going Off...
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Maybe this is normal... I don't know, but I was watching the timing monitor at [URL=http://www.formula1.com/]Formula1.com[/URL], and noticed that guys were consistantly setting their best times on the 2nd or 3rd laps, and then their times were dropping off significantly, in the neighborhood of a second or more per lap. This was happening across the board, slow teams, fast teams, french tires, japanese tires...
The temps, ambient and track were very high, ~97 ambient, ~130 track...
In wonder if tire management will become an issue during the race?
The temps, ambient and track were very high, ~97 ambient, ~130 track...
In wonder if tire management will become an issue during the race?
| Bonzo | 03-19-2004 09:29 AM |
what happened on the televised live 2nd practice last night? I was too tired to stay up or record.
Qual on tonite at 2am est.
Qual on tonite at 2am est.
| HoRo1 | 03-19-2004 09:41 AM |
Round 2: Malaysia: 1st Free Practice
1 Kimi R�ikk�nen
McLaren
01:34.395
2 Michael Schumacher
Ferrari
01:34.437
+00:00.042
3 Ralf Schumacher
Williams
01:34.693
+00:00.298
4 Mark Webber
Jaguar
01:35.054
+00:00.659
5 Juan Pablo Montoya
Williams
01:35.100
+00:00.705
6 Jarno Trulli
Renault
01:35.115
+00:00.720
1 Kimi R�ikk�nen
McLaren
01:34.395
2 Michael Schumacher
Ferrari
01:34.437
+00:00.042
3 Ralf Schumacher
Williams
01:34.693
+00:00.298
4 Mark Webber
Jaguar
01:35.054
+00:00.659
5 Juan Pablo Montoya
Williams
01:35.100
+00:00.705
6 Jarno Trulli
Renault
01:35.115
+00:00.720
| Bonzo | 03-19-2004 09:53 AM |
tnx HoRo
sand bagging?
sand bagging?
| Dussander | 03-19-2004 10:39 AM |
Note, HoRo1's post is the combined times of Practice 1 and Practice 2. If I were to guess I would say Ferrari tried the soft compounds in the first practice and the hard in the second with Michelin doing the opposite.
| gtguy | 03-19-2004 11:10 AM |
I think anybody running 1:34s was running soft rubber. The new pit lane speed limit means that suddenly, more races are probably going to be three-stoppers, particularly on a track such as Malaysia, where you can pass.
Barrichello provided some enlightenment on the Ferrari pace for the second session. They were apparently running in race trim, figuring out fuel loads, etc.
Qualifying will provide some answers, and the race will provide them all, in terms of longer stints on the tires.
Kevin
Barrichello provided some enlightenment on the Ferrari pace for the second session. They were apparently running in race trim, figuring out fuel loads, etc.
Qualifying will provide some answers, and the race will provide them all, in terms of longer stints on the tires.
Kevin
| skuttledude | 03-19-2004 11:13 AM |
My Picks:
M.Schumacher;
R.Barrichello;
F.Alonso;
J.Montoya;
K.Raikkonen;
R.Schumacher;
J.Button;
D.Coulthard
BTW, here is confirmation on getting the picks in (taken directly from site):
Deadlines for picks
Picks are due by 6:00am, local time, on the day of first untimed practice for the race. Usually this is 6:00 AM Friday morning, local time of the race site, but some races (e.g., Monaco) hold first practice on Thursday. We choose this time so that those who have access to early practice and qualifying information won't have an unfair advantage over those who don't.
Go Reubens!
M.Schumacher;
R.Barrichello;
F.Alonso;
J.Montoya;
K.Raikkonen;
R.Schumacher;
J.Button;
D.Coulthard
BTW, here is confirmation on getting the picks in (taken directly from site):
Deadlines for picks
Picks are due by 6:00am, local time, on the day of first untimed practice for the race. Usually this is 6:00 AM Friday morning, local time of the race site, but some races (e.g., Monaco) hold first practice on Thursday. We choose this time so that those who have access to early practice and qualifying information won't have an unfair advantage over those who don't.
Go Reubens!
| grandpa rex | 03-19-2004 11:14 AM |
Here are the picks I submitted to Pick 6:
1. MS
2. RB
3. JPM
4. Button
5. Raikkonen
6. Alonso
7. Ralfie
8. Trulli
I have been to Malaysia a few times (not to the race, but on business) and I can confirm that I've never seen rain like I saw there. Also, the heat is like South Florida in July on steroids. Makes for a very interesting environment.
1. MS
2. RB
3. JPM
4. Button
5. Raikkonen
6. Alonso
7. Ralfie
8. Trulli
I have been to Malaysia a few times (not to the race, but on business) and I can confirm that I've never seen rain like I saw there. Also, the heat is like South Florida in July on steroids. Makes for a very interesting environment.
| gtguy | 03-19-2004 11:27 AM |
Tires...
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Mike Gascoyne of Toyota had some interesting observations over at AutoSport.com about the tire thing.
He said that the Michelins were really fast for the first lap or two, then suffered a rather abrupt dropoff, where the Bridgestones weren't as fast on the first lap, but were faster than the Michelins in laps 2 and on. Gascoyne also said the Bridgestones, in both soft and hard compounds, seemed to be more stable than the Michelins, which is also interesting.
Man, I wish there was a spec tire, but we have what we have. Are they still predicting rain for Sunday's race?
Kevin
He said that the Michelins were really fast for the first lap or two, then suffered a rather abrupt dropoff, where the Bridgestones weren't as fast on the first lap, but were faster than the Michelins in laps 2 and on. Gascoyne also said the Bridgestones, in both soft and hard compounds, seemed to be more stable than the Michelins, which is also interesting.
Man, I wish there was a spec tire, but we have what we have. Are they still predicting rain for Sunday's race?
Kevin
| AndyRoo | 03-19-2004 12:54 PM |
and when it rains, is it always a monsoon?
| HoRo1 | 03-20-2004 09:02 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Bonzo[/i]
[B] tnx HoRo
sand bagging? [/B][/QUOTE]
You bet ferrari was sand-bagging. That's what I call a good ass-kicking!
[B] tnx HoRo
sand bagging? [/B][/QUOTE]
You bet ferrari was sand-bagging. That's what I call a good ass-kicking!
| Bonzo | 03-20-2004 10:44 AM |
Mark Webber!
| BillT | 03-20-2004 02:25 PM |
Way to go Webber! Nice to see a Jag in the front row for a change!
| gtguy | 03-20-2004 03:57 PM |
We'll see in the race tomorrow whether Schumacher is running light, or whether the McLarens have some hinky fuel strategy thing going, but man, those red cars are fast. A flat 1:33 is insane. Schumacher said it was a perfect lap. The Hobbs/Matchett combo were raving about how smooth the Ferrari looked, and how in tune the car and Schumacher were.
If the same thing happens in Malaysia that happened in Melbourne (presuming everyone is reliable), the whining from the UK-based press is going to be loud as can be. The other teams are going to throw up their hands and say, "We're doomed. The season is over."
And they might be right.
Kevin
If the same thing happens in Malaysia that happened in Melbourne (presuming everyone is reliable), the whining from the UK-based press is going to be loud as can be. The other teams are going to throw up their hands and say, "We're doomed. The season is over."
And they might be right.
Kevin
| Dr. WOT | 03-20-2004 03:59 PM |
Mark Webber, this guy is good!! He can basically have any seat he wants for next year. Wouldn't mind him in a Ferrari though! :)
| erich_sc | 03-20-2004 04:17 PM |
Yes, I would be totally disappointed if he doesn't get a winning ride next season. Mark is driving like a champ. Great attitude as well. I hope his age doesn't make him any less desirable to hire.
| Turbogeek | 03-20-2004 06:40 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by erich_sc[/i]
[B] Yes, I would be totally disappointed if he doesn't get a winning ride next season. Mark is driving like a champ. Great attitude as well. I hope his age doesn't make him any less desirable to hire. [/B][/QUOTE]
Consdiering he's in a car that clearly not as good as the results he gets would normally aloow and he has always been faster than his team-mates, I would think the other teams just wouldnt care how old he is. If he's that fast in a crap car, how would he be in a Williams or a McLaren?
He also knows how to talk to engineers, he knows how to develop a car well, He's got the goods.
And, as an aussie, I'm in shock he took said heap of Jag poo and drove the wheels off it to qualify on the front row. even if his motor explodes on the grid, he's done far better than anyone expected already. But for today, good luck Mark! I know a podium is out of the question for your car, but do us proud anyway! In the points will do!
[B] Yes, I would be totally disappointed if he doesn't get a winning ride next season. Mark is driving like a champ. Great attitude as well. I hope his age doesn't make him any less desirable to hire. [/B][/QUOTE]
Consdiering he's in a car that clearly not as good as the results he gets would normally aloow and he has always been faster than his team-mates, I would think the other teams just wouldnt care how old he is. If he's that fast in a crap car, how would he be in a Williams or a McLaren?
He also knows how to talk to engineers, he knows how to develop a car well, He's got the goods.
And, as an aussie, I'm in shock he took said heap of Jag poo and drove the wheels off it to qualify on the front row. even if his motor explodes on the grid, he's done far better than anyone expected already. But for today, good luck Mark! I know a podium is out of the question for your car, but do us proud anyway! In the points will do!
| gtguy | 03-21-2004 01:46 PM |
Whoopass!
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Too bad about Webber. His mistakes were all of his own doing. Looks like the pressure/anxiety were a bit much for him to deal with and he got a bit twitchy. He'll improve, and definitely has the talent.
Nice job Jenson Button! That BAR is a really good car this year, and will get better as bits from the evolution car find their way to this year's race platform. Just think how fast they'd be if they hadn't switched to Michelin. :lol:
Montoya also turned in an excellent drive, though Barrichello had the stick to finish second, except for the hoseoff in the damp. He had the speed, and Ferrari had the strategy right for him to grab P2.
Montoya must be ready to suck up to Frank Williams. He's looking at McLaren, thinking "Lord, I signed up for that?" :lol:
And what can be said about M. Schumacher? Love him or hate him, what he and Ferrari are doing is amazing. They found a way to make a car that was already the class of the field even better. That, combined with Bridgestone's improvement in the hot stuff, means that barring any weird stuff such as unreliability, something Ferrari has not had a history of, this season is done.
It's too bad too, because people will howl about how boring it is, rather than marvelling at what Ferrari has accomplished.
Kevin
Nice job Jenson Button! That BAR is a really good car this year, and will get better as bits from the evolution car find their way to this year's race platform. Just think how fast they'd be if they hadn't switched to Michelin. :lol:
Montoya also turned in an excellent drive, though Barrichello had the stick to finish second, except for the hoseoff in the damp. He had the speed, and Ferrari had the strategy right for him to grab P2.
Montoya must be ready to suck up to Frank Williams. He's looking at McLaren, thinking "Lord, I signed up for that?" :lol:
And what can be said about M. Schumacher? Love him or hate him, what he and Ferrari are doing is amazing. They found a way to make a car that was already the class of the field even better. That, combined with Bridgestone's improvement in the hot stuff, means that barring any weird stuff such as unreliability, something Ferrari has not had a history of, this season is done.
It's too bad too, because people will howl about how boring it is, rather than marvelling at what Ferrari has accomplished.
Kevin
| finnRex | 03-21-2004 02:55 PM |
Looks like another long season for the McLaren fans, and those of KR and DC...(sigh). I'm just gonna keep my mouth shut with all of those red flags waving in my face;)
Mika
Mika
| gtguy | 03-21-2004 08:28 PM |
Looks like Webber had something of a clutch problem at the start of the race, which accounted for his rather laggardly start.
I got to thinking, when Hakkinen won consecutive world championships, why people weren't predicting armageddon for F1, so I went and checked the archives. In 1998, Hakkinen won nine of sixteen races, which is impressive. In 1999, his second driver's title, he won but five of sixteen.
But when Schumacher wins championships, he seems to win with utter dominance, grabbing race after race with a metronomic consistency that can, it must be said, seem rather predictable. And there are always the pundits who say that Schumacher would, were it not for that accident, have won in 1999, as well.
I think he'll always be the driver that people love to hate, but now I understand more of what's going on. Ferrari don't just seem to win, they crush. 2002 is a good example, where only two races were not won by a red car. But 2000 and 2001 were also dominant years.
This season will be interesting, to see if the other teams can find some pace. Don't forget that last year, four races into the season, people had written off Williams until Monaco began a very impressive run. The other teams will get faster. But, one muses, so will Ferrari.
Kevin
I got to thinking, when Hakkinen won consecutive world championships, why people weren't predicting armageddon for F1, so I went and checked the archives. In 1998, Hakkinen won nine of sixteen races, which is impressive. In 1999, his second driver's title, he won but five of sixteen.
But when Schumacher wins championships, he seems to win with utter dominance, grabbing race after race with a metronomic consistency that can, it must be said, seem rather predictable. And there are always the pundits who say that Schumacher would, were it not for that accident, have won in 1999, as well.
I think he'll always be the driver that people love to hate, but now I understand more of what's going on. Ferrari don't just seem to win, they crush. 2002 is a good example, where only two races were not won by a red car. But 2000 and 2001 were also dominant years.
This season will be interesting, to see if the other teams can find some pace. Don't forget that last year, four races into the season, people had written off Williams until Monaco began a very impressive run. The other teams will get faster. But, one muses, so will Ferrari.
Kevin
| OnTheGas | 03-21-2004 08:37 PM |
Hey! Let's not have any tears here!
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy[/i]
[B]...this season is done.[/B][/QUOTE] [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by finnRex[/i]
[B]Looks like another long season for the McLaren fans...[/B][/QUOTE]
Well I disagree w/both of ya! And I'm not alone...[QUOTE][i][URL=http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=148362&FS=F1]Juan Pablo Montoya - Malaysia Post Race Press Conference[/URL][/i]
[B]...It's very early days...[/B][/QUOTE]Only 2 of 18 races have been run. The season spans 8 to 9 months of the calendar. The top teams will being doing a great deal of developement on these cars, and things will change.
It was interesting about the competitiveness of the Bridgestones in that heat, though. Makes it more of a fair fight.
[B]...this season is done.[/B][/QUOTE] [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by finnRex[/i]
[B]Looks like another long season for the McLaren fans...[/B][/QUOTE]
Well I disagree w/both of ya! And I'm not alone...[QUOTE][i][URL=http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=148362&FS=F1]Juan Pablo Montoya - Malaysia Post Race Press Conference[/URL][/i]
[B]...It's very early days...[/B][/QUOTE]Only 2 of 18 races have been run. The season spans 8 to 9 months of the calendar. The top teams will being doing a great deal of developement on these cars, and things will change.
It was interesting about the competitiveness of the Bridgestones in that heat, though. Makes it more of a fair fight.
| gtguy | 03-21-2004 11:39 PM |
Re: Hey! Let's not have any tears here!
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[B]Well I disagree w/both of ya! And I'm not alone...Only 2 of 18 races have been run. The season spans 8 to 9 months of the calendar. The top teams will being doing a great deal of developement on these cars, and things will change.
It was interesting about the competitiveness of the Bridgestones in that heat, though. Makes it more of a fair fight. [/B][/QUOTE]
I'd love to think that you're right, OTG. Nobody has their car optimized, yet. People were taking heart from the fact that Montoya set fastest lap at Malaysia, yet M. Schumacher seemed able to put distance on the Williams at will. From the in-car shots, he wasn't really even hitting the apex, just driving nice and conservatively. Which is scary to consider.
If we presume lots of development, McLaren has to find a second a lap at race pace, just to get even with Ferrari. Williams seems to need about a half-second or so, slightly more for BAR, who is suddenly the no. 3 player.
These gaps are even if Ferrari stands still, which, as we all saw from Hungary on last season, they can up their game a frightening amount. And this year, they have a competitive tire in the hot stuff, where last year, they didn't. Don't forget that Ferrari won more than half the races last year with a woefully inferior tire. Now that Bridgestone is on pace with Michelin, we're seeing how good the Ferrari is. M. Schumacher's qualifying lap, for example, considering that he was on the same fuel strategy as everyone else, was pretty astounding.
My hope would be that Williams, Renault and BAR would all be able to find the speed to compete with Ferrari. McLaren is done for this year, except for flashes of glory. But this season could still be a four-horse race. We'll see.
Now, about that Renault launch...er, clutch takeup control. :lol:
Kevin
[B]Well I disagree w/both of ya! And I'm not alone...Only 2 of 18 races have been run. The season spans 8 to 9 months of the calendar. The top teams will being doing a great deal of developement on these cars, and things will change.
It was interesting about the competitiveness of the Bridgestones in that heat, though. Makes it more of a fair fight. [/B][/QUOTE]
I'd love to think that you're right, OTG. Nobody has their car optimized, yet. People were taking heart from the fact that Montoya set fastest lap at Malaysia, yet M. Schumacher seemed able to put distance on the Williams at will. From the in-car shots, he wasn't really even hitting the apex, just driving nice and conservatively. Which is scary to consider.
If we presume lots of development, McLaren has to find a second a lap at race pace, just to get even with Ferrari. Williams seems to need about a half-second or so, slightly more for BAR, who is suddenly the no. 3 player.
These gaps are even if Ferrari stands still, which, as we all saw from Hungary on last season, they can up their game a frightening amount. And this year, they have a competitive tire in the hot stuff, where last year, they didn't. Don't forget that Ferrari won more than half the races last year with a woefully inferior tire. Now that Bridgestone is on pace with Michelin, we're seeing how good the Ferrari is. M. Schumacher's qualifying lap, for example, considering that he was on the same fuel strategy as everyone else, was pretty astounding.
My hope would be that Williams, Renault and BAR would all be able to find the speed to compete with Ferrari. McLaren is done for this year, except for flashes of glory. But this season could still be a four-horse race. We'll see.
Now, about that Renault launch...er, clutch takeup control. :lol:
Kevin
| cdvma | 03-22-2004 07:53 AM |
Overall great race, but like gtguy said the Ferrari just seemed to glide around the track. Did you guys catch the parts where they showed MS driving it with one hand? Obvious room for other teams to improve and I hope it heats up even more.
| heffergm | 03-22-2004 08:07 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by cdvma [/i]
[B]Overall great race, but like gtguy said the Ferrari just seemed to glide around the track. Did you guys catch the parts where they showed MS driving it with one hand? Obvious room for other teams to improve and I hope it heats up even more. [/B][/QUOTE]
Even better was them showing him adjusting brake bias prior to entering specific corners. Talk about on the fly car setup... that's insane. Despite the obvious dominance of Ferrari, there's no mistaking that Schumi is one hell of a driver.
[B]Overall great race, but like gtguy said the Ferrari just seemed to glide around the track. Did you guys catch the parts where they showed MS driving it with one hand? Obvious room for other teams to improve and I hope it heats up even more. [/B][/QUOTE]
Even better was them showing him adjusting brake bias prior to entering specific corners. Talk about on the fly car setup... that's insane. Despite the obvious dominance of Ferrari, there's no mistaking that Schumi is one hell of a driver.
| skuttledude | 03-22-2004 08:55 AM |
PICK Standings as of March 21 after F1 Malaysia
68. 102 Ken March
358. 95 Alex Hofstetter
494. 93 William Truett
693. 91 Erich Schmitke
927. 89 Jim Rider
1145. 87 Dylan Friedman
1269. 86 Brian Hadfield
1667. 83 Matt Phelps
1993. 80 Lord Bass
80 Davis Powers
80 Wesley Slone
3060. 68 Gary Lancaster
3113. 67 Andrew Sekellick
3288. 63 David Chikwem
3321. 62 Steve Morris
3420. 58 Michael Fiyak
68. 102 Ken March
358. 95 Alex Hofstetter
494. 93 William Truett
693. 91 Erich Schmitke
927. 89 Jim Rider
1145. 87 Dylan Friedman
1269. 86 Brian Hadfield
1667. 83 Matt Phelps
1993. 80 Lord Bass
80 Davis Powers
80 Wesley Slone
3060. 68 Gary Lancaster
3113. 67 Andrew Sekellick
3288. 63 David Chikwem
3321. 62 Steve Morris
3420. 58 Michael Fiyak
| Dussander | 03-22-2004 10:16 AM |
Man, I suck at picking. :eek:
The in-car shot of Trulli flying through the field on the start was awesome.
I found the race to be pretty exciting, but I think Michael wasn't pushing. Montoya's car looked very twitchy, but he is so good at driving whatever he has too the limit, unlike Ralphy boy.
Looks like the "Iceman" got a little hot. :D
The in-car shot of Trulli flying through the field on the start was awesome.
I found the race to be pretty exciting, but I think Michael wasn't pushing. Montoya's car looked very twitchy, but he is so good at driving whatever he has too the limit, unlike Ralphy boy.
Looks like the "Iceman" got a little hot. :D
| Dr. WOT | 03-22-2004 10:56 AM |
Re: Tires...
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[B]Mike Gascoyne:
He said that the Michelins were really fast for the first lap or two, then suffered a rather abrupt dropoff, where the Bridgestones weren't as fast on the first lap, but were faster than the Michelins in laps 2 and on. Gascoyne also said the Bridgestones, in both soft and hard compounds, seemed to be more stable than the Michelins, which is also interesting.
Kevin [/B][/QUOTE]
This definitely seemed to be the case in Sepang. Bridgestone really should be commended for fighting their way back and coming up with a such a competitve tire.
A few comments about the race: great job by Jenson and BAR, what a relief to finally get the monkey off the back. It was great to see genuine emotion and happiness, and that was a fun podium. Now the job is to build upon this, I don't think a race win is out of the question. Willis has obviously designed a great car, it looks very tidy in the corners. Very clean looking design too, big thumbs up, keep up the good work guys!! (JV, eat your heart out!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!! sorry, I couldn't resist! :D )
Schumacher, what can you say about this guy? He is so on top of his game it's stunning. I don't think the entire season is going to be a cake walk, but he sure is off to a great start. He is the class of the field.
I am VERY disappointed in Kimi for shoving the corner worker. I haven't seen any statement made about it, but I really want to hear what he has to say for himself. It was uncalled for, I don't care what pressure or frustration he's under, the corner worker clearly meant no harm and was probably just a little too excited. Kimi might be a Finn, but he is no Mika Hakkinen.
Also disappointed in Webber-- flubbed the start, almost stuffs Alonso into the wall, and then spins out. He is still young, and obviously flustered from the bad start, hopefully he can learn from this and manage his game better in the future, it will be necessary if he wants to be champion some day.
JPM, I lose more and more respect for the guy with each race. His comments in the press conference were childish and whiney. He is far from what I would call a clean driver, yet slings mud on RB and Ferrari. Stop being a sore loser and let your driving do the talking.
[B]Mike Gascoyne:
He said that the Michelins were really fast for the first lap or two, then suffered a rather abrupt dropoff, where the Bridgestones weren't as fast on the first lap, but were faster than the Michelins in laps 2 and on. Gascoyne also said the Bridgestones, in both soft and hard compounds, seemed to be more stable than the Michelins, which is also interesting.
Kevin [/B][/QUOTE]
This definitely seemed to be the case in Sepang. Bridgestone really should be commended for fighting their way back and coming up with a such a competitve tire.
A few comments about the race: great job by Jenson and BAR, what a relief to finally get the monkey off the back. It was great to see genuine emotion and happiness, and that was a fun podium. Now the job is to build upon this, I don't think a race win is out of the question. Willis has obviously designed a great car, it looks very tidy in the corners. Very clean looking design too, big thumbs up, keep up the good work guys!! (JV, eat your heart out!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!! sorry, I couldn't resist! :D )
Schumacher, what can you say about this guy? He is so on top of his game it's stunning. I don't think the entire season is going to be a cake walk, but he sure is off to a great start. He is the class of the field.
I am VERY disappointed in Kimi for shoving the corner worker. I haven't seen any statement made about it, but I really want to hear what he has to say for himself. It was uncalled for, I don't care what pressure or frustration he's under, the corner worker clearly meant no harm and was probably just a little too excited. Kimi might be a Finn, but he is no Mika Hakkinen.
Also disappointed in Webber-- flubbed the start, almost stuffs Alonso into the wall, and then spins out. He is still young, and obviously flustered from the bad start, hopefully he can learn from this and manage his game better in the future, it will be necessary if he wants to be champion some day.
JPM, I lose more and more respect for the guy with each race. His comments in the press conference were childish and whiney. He is far from what I would call a clean driver, yet slings mud on RB and Ferrari. Stop being a sore loser and let your driving do the talking.
| grandpa rex | 03-22-2004 11:14 AM |
I watched some of the replay on Speed last night. This is the first time I've seen any footage this year. Missed all of the race from OZ. A couple of comments:
The Wiliams car is even uglier on the track than it is in press pictures.
the Renault has too many aero whoop-dee-doo fins on the sides.
The BAR car looks very stable and tight. Good job. Sorry Jacques I really don't miss you.
The Ferrari's are scary fast.
Does Jordan have any real sponsors left? The car looked clean but naked.
The engineers at Bridgestone have had a very productive off season.
When JPM won the Indy 500m driving an IRL car, legend has it that he taped a John Deere logo on the steering wheel. Is he thinking about doing that next year?
The Wiliams car is even uglier on the track than it is in press pictures.
the Renault has too many aero whoop-dee-doo fins on the sides.
The BAR car looks very stable and tight. Good job. Sorry Jacques I really don't miss you.
The Ferrari's are scary fast.
Does Jordan have any real sponsors left? The car looked clean but naked.
The engineers at Bridgestone have had a very productive off season.
When JPM won the Indy 500m driving an IRL car, legend has it that he taped a John Deere logo on the steering wheel. Is he thinking about doing that next year?
| BriDrive | 03-22-2004 11:53 AM |
I agree with you Dr.WOT, JPM is really becoming unbearable.
However, there's got to be some serious tension and frustration at what appears to be an ominous cloud over Williams' ability to fight for this championship. Yeah sure, its only the second race, but honestly, if you would have asked the insiders, Malaysia should have favored the Williams/Michelin package. Ralph's problems there, and engine going KaBlammo, and Ferrari toying with them all adds up to the look on JPM's sunken face at post race.
BAR Honda / Button and Renault are poised to step in and gather the reigns as BMW and McLaren fall into there multiseasonal troughs. It happens every 3-4 years to every team, it seems, save Ferrari.....
As for Toyota...COME ON ! pick it up!!! I had big expectations for you guys...Get Ralph S. and bring back McNish or keep DaMatta and get as much aero info as you can squeeze out of Ralphie....
However, there's got to be some serious tension and frustration at what appears to be an ominous cloud over Williams' ability to fight for this championship. Yeah sure, its only the second race, but honestly, if you would have asked the insiders, Malaysia should have favored the Williams/Michelin package. Ralph's problems there, and engine going KaBlammo, and Ferrari toying with them all adds up to the look on JPM's sunken face at post race.
BAR Honda / Button and Renault are poised to step in and gather the reigns as BMW and McLaren fall into there multiseasonal troughs. It happens every 3-4 years to every team, it seems, save Ferrari.....
As for Toyota...COME ON ! pick it up!!! I had big expectations for you guys...Get Ralph S. and bring back McNish or keep DaMatta and get as much aero info as you can squeeze out of Ralphie....
| gtguy | 03-22-2004 12:26 PM |
Re: Re: Tires...
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[B]
I am VERY disappointed in Kimi for shoving the corner worker. I haven't seen any statement made about it, but I really want to hear what he has to say for himself. It was uncalled for, I don't care what pressure or frustration he's under, the corner worker clearly meant no harm and was probably just a little too excited. Kimi might be a Finn, but he is no Mika Hakkinen.
JPM, I lose more and more respect for the guy with each race. His comments in the press conference were childish and whiney. He is far from what I would call a clean driver, yet slings mud on RB and Ferrari. Stop being a sore loser and let your driving do the talking. [/B][/QUOTE]
True. Hakkinen only had the one meltdown, where he stomped off into the woods and had a good cry, but doesn't go shoving corner workers around. I think the corner worker was pretty excited, and Raikkonen was pretty pissed. Two engine failures in two races, no failures for Coulthard. :confused:
Ferrari today said basically, JPM never tried to pass Barrichello, so get over it. They showed Montoya come out of the pits on that third stop, and he came out clearly behind Barrichello. The broadcast stayed with the battle (such as it was) for a bit, and Montoya was never even close enough to attempt a pass. I never had much respect for him to begin with, however.
The UK press is saying that Montoya's fastest lap was a half-second faster than Schumacher's fastest lap, but it really didn't look like Schumacher was pushing all that hard for much of the race, which was interesting. Matchett, I believe, called it "winning with the lowest possible speed."
Except for when Montoya got around Barrichello, when I think he caught Schumacher doing pace management and ran right up to him, Schumacher seemed to be able to gap Montoya when he needed to.
Funnier still is Dupasquier of Michelin, who said "If Ferrari were on Michelins, there wouldn't be any championship." :lol:
Kevin
[B]
I am VERY disappointed in Kimi for shoving the corner worker. I haven't seen any statement made about it, but I really want to hear what he has to say for himself. It was uncalled for, I don't care what pressure or frustration he's under, the corner worker clearly meant no harm and was probably just a little too excited. Kimi might be a Finn, but he is no Mika Hakkinen.
JPM, I lose more and more respect for the guy with each race. His comments in the press conference were childish and whiney. He is far from what I would call a clean driver, yet slings mud on RB and Ferrari. Stop being a sore loser and let your driving do the talking. [/B][/QUOTE]
True. Hakkinen only had the one meltdown, where he stomped off into the woods and had a good cry, but doesn't go shoving corner workers around. I think the corner worker was pretty excited, and Raikkonen was pretty pissed. Two engine failures in two races, no failures for Coulthard. :confused:
Ferrari today said basically, JPM never tried to pass Barrichello, so get over it. They showed Montoya come out of the pits on that third stop, and he came out clearly behind Barrichello. The broadcast stayed with the battle (such as it was) for a bit, and Montoya was never even close enough to attempt a pass. I never had much respect for him to begin with, however.
The UK press is saying that Montoya's fastest lap was a half-second faster than Schumacher's fastest lap, but it really didn't look like Schumacher was pushing all that hard for much of the race, which was interesting. Matchett, I believe, called it "winning with the lowest possible speed."
Except for when Montoya got around Barrichello, when I think he caught Schumacher doing pace management and ran right up to him, Schumacher seemed to be able to gap Montoya when he needed to.
Funnier still is Dupasquier of Michelin, who said "If Ferrari were on Michelins, there wouldn't be any championship." :lol:
Kevin
| skuttledude | 03-22-2004 12:30 PM |
Re: Re: Tires...
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[B]
I am VERY disappointed in Kimi for shoving the corner worker. I haven't seen any statement made about it, but I really want to hear what he has to say for himself. It was uncalled for, I don't care what pressure or frustration he's under, the corner worker clearly meant no harm and was probably just a little too excited. Kimi might be a Finn, but he is no Mika Hakkinen.
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It is actually fairly common to get a driver out of his car and he is cursing something or angrily walks away after an "off" (I use to be a course marshall)
I agree its not fun to see and especially from Kimi who is rather level headed. Course workers get blamed for alot. Too much fire extinguisher, not enough, taking/walking the driver the long way (safer) around a corner, not pushing a car good enough so the driver can get back on the track..etc..
If Senna ever got out of his car in haste, and he punched me, I'd would've been happy and said thanks. (I was a huge fan of his)
Too bad that'll never happen:(
Davis
[B]
I am VERY disappointed in Kimi for shoving the corner worker. I haven't seen any statement made about it, but I really want to hear what he has to say for himself. It was uncalled for, I don't care what pressure or frustration he's under, the corner worker clearly meant no harm and was probably just a little too excited. Kimi might be a Finn, but he is no Mika Hakkinen.
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It is actually fairly common to get a driver out of his car and he is cursing something or angrily walks away after an "off" (I use to be a course marshall)
I agree its not fun to see and especially from Kimi who is rather level headed. Course workers get blamed for alot. Too much fire extinguisher, not enough, taking/walking the driver the long way (safer) around a corner, not pushing a car good enough so the driver can get back on the track..etc..
If Senna ever got out of his car in haste, and he punched me, I'd would've been happy and said thanks. (I was a huge fan of his)
Too bad that'll never happen:(
Davis
| NC2.5RS | 03-22-2004 02:27 PM |
Great race by Schumacher and Ferrari. JPM couldn't do anything to keep up with him for most of the race. Great job by Button. He's a very talented driver with what seems a vastly improved BAR-Honda car. Barichello put QUITE a run up to Button in the last 10 laps though, cutting the gap down to only 2 seconds.
| Lightning Jack | 03-22-2004 05:03 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by erich_sc [/i]
[B]Yes, I would be totally disappointed if he doesn't get a winning ride next season. Mark is driving like a champ. Great attitude as well. I hope his age doesn't make him any less desirable to hire. [/B][/QUOTE]
I saw him almost ran Ralf into the wall..hmmm how a great guy this is dude?.. I thought he sux, and everytimes i watched him, he suxx even more:lol:
[B]Yes, I would be totally disappointed if he doesn't get a winning ride next season. Mark is driving like a champ. Great attitude as well. I hope his age doesn't make him any less desirable to hire. [/B][/QUOTE]
I saw him almost ran Ralf into the wall..hmmm how a great guy this is dude?.. I thought he sux, and everytimes i watched him, he suxx even more:lol:
| AndyRoo | 03-22-2004 05:07 PM |
Webber had a bunch of great drives last year and he consistently outperforms his teamate. Could just be a rought start to the season.
| Dussander | 03-22-2004 05:39 PM |
Mark almost ran ALONSO into the wall. He just chopped Ralf.
| ArtGecko | 03-22-2004 09:06 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Dussander [/i]
[B]Man, I suck at picking. :eek: [/B][/QUOTE]
You do! Look at mine :eek:
[quote]
position - pt - tot - entrant
3530 - 28 - 62 - Steve Morris
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And there were only something like 3600 entrants!
[B]Man, I suck at picking. :eek: [/B][/QUOTE]
You do! Look at mine :eek:
[quote]
position - pt - tot - entrant
3530 - 28 - 62 - Steve Morris
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And there were only something like 3600 entrants!
| artkevin | 03-22-2004 10:31 PM |
I was really hoping Webber would put togther a better drive. When he took Fernando to the wall I thought he lost his mind. I also was amazed to see Webber in a Jag about to throw a good pass on a Williams but think Ralph turned into him. Shame really.
| OnTheGas | 03-23-2004 12:51 AM |
Re: The Iceman Melteth
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[B]It is actually fairly common to get a driver out of his car and he is cursing something or angrily walks away after an "off" (I use to be a course marshall)[/B][/QUOTE] Yes, this is not unusual. There is a term for it, "helmet head" or something...
Alotta fine drivers have had moments beyond the bounds of their normal good charecter w/course workers after, (or while), climbing from their broken, or failed F1 machines alongside the course during a race.
Niki Lauda, in one of his autobiographies, pointed out that the driver in that situation, has just left a solitary world, inside his full face helmet, where he was one with his machine, with the track, highly concentrated on his lines, his resources, his competition, etc. A full adrenaline medition, so to speak. He said that the excited tempo of a few course workers don't help... The driver will feel shocked at being suddenly, physically accosted in this situation, and react out of instinct and emotion.
While I am very appreciative of course workers, having spent many a day at the local track watching scca club racing, I thought that Niki expressed the driver's experience of this situation fairly well, and has a valid point. On TV, I've often seen F1 drivers greeted by what appears to be a very excited course worker.
I think experienced course workers expect the probable helmet head. But no worries! The job gets done! This is not a congeniality contest, after all.
Ken
[B]It is actually fairly common to get a driver out of his car and he is cursing something or angrily walks away after an "off" (I use to be a course marshall)[/B][/QUOTE] Yes, this is not unusual. There is a term for it, "helmet head" or something...
Alotta fine drivers have had moments beyond the bounds of their normal good charecter w/course workers after, (or while), climbing from their broken, or failed F1 machines alongside the course during a race.
Niki Lauda, in one of his autobiographies, pointed out that the driver in that situation, has just left a solitary world, inside his full face helmet, where he was one with his machine, with the track, highly concentrated on his lines, his resources, his competition, etc. A full adrenaline medition, so to speak. He said that the excited tempo of a few course workers don't help... The driver will feel shocked at being suddenly, physically accosted in this situation, and react out of instinct and emotion.
While I am very appreciative of course workers, having spent many a day at the local track watching scca club racing, I thought that Niki expressed the driver's experience of this situation fairly well, and has a valid point. On TV, I've often seen F1 drivers greeted by what appears to be a very excited course worker.
I think experienced course workers expect the probable helmet head. But no worries! The job gets done! This is not a congeniality contest, after all.
Ken
| Dussander | 03-23-2004 10:47 AM |
[QUOTE]You do! Look at mine[/QUOTE]
My name starts with Michael. :D
My name starts with Michael. :D
| ArtGecko | 03-23-2004 06:25 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Dussander [/i]
[B]My name starts with Michael. :D [/B][/QUOTE]
Oh.....Nevermind. [COLOR=silver]Yay! I'm not last! :)[/COLOR] ;)
[B]My name starts with Michael. :D [/B][/QUOTE]
Oh.....Nevermind. [COLOR=silver]Yay! I'm not last! :)[/COLOR] ;)
| Dr. WOT | 03-23-2004 08:37 PM |
OTG, very good post, your comments are appreciated
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