| Wr4wrX | 08-16-2005 05:15 PM |
GP of Turkey
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The first ever Grand Prix of Turkey is comin' up after the three week summer break--finally, F1 is back!! :banana:
| artkevin | 08-16-2005 05:20 PM |
I've been going through withdraw over the past few weeks.
Why is Herman Tilke the only circut designer in F1? I am not a fan of his designs. I would like to see some modern circuts with elevation changes.
1.Juan
2.Kimi (McLaren want the constructors more then the dirvers title so whomever gets to turn 1 fist gets it)
3. Alonso
4. Gincarlo (has to well again sooner or later)
5. MS
6. Button
7. Webber
8. Klien
Why is Herman Tilke the only circut designer in F1? I am not a fan of his designs. I would like to see some modern circuts with elevation changes.
1.Juan
2.Kimi (McLaren want the constructors more then the dirvers title so whomever gets to turn 1 fist gets it)
3. Alonso
4. Gincarlo (has to well again sooner or later)
5. MS
6. Button
7. Webber
8. Klien
| Dussander | 08-16-2005 05:49 PM |
[quote]I would like to see some modern circuts with elevation changes.[/quote]
I thought this circuit did have elevation changes?
I thought this circuit did have elevation changes?
| Wr4wrX | 08-16-2005 05:59 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]McLaren want the constructors more then the dirvers title so whomever gets to turn 1 fist gets it[/QUOTE]
But McLaren also want to keep Kimi and not lose him to another team...like Ferrari. Also, JPM isn't in the running for the drivers' title. Tough call for McLaren. Even though team orders are banned, I wonder if JPM and Kimi have a pre-race agreement. JPM has said he'd help Kimi win the title, but I wonder if that goes as far as letting him pass for the win.
But McLaren also want to keep Kimi and not lose him to another team...like Ferrari. Also, JPM isn't in the running for the drivers' title. Tough call for McLaren. Even though team orders are banned, I wonder if JPM and Kimi have a pre-race agreement. JPM has said he'd help Kimi win the title, but I wonder if that goes as far as letting him pass for the win.
| TyrannoSullyRex | 08-16-2005 06:16 PM |
[QUOTE=Wr4wrX]Even though team orders are banned, I wonder if JPM and Kimi have a pre-race agreement. JPM has said he'd help Kimi win the title, but I wonder if that goes as far as letting him pass for the win.[/QUOTE]
Likely depends on the race position of Alonso (in the points or not).
Likely depends on the race position of Alonso (in the points or not).
| Wr4wrX | 08-16-2005 06:27 PM |
[QUOTE=TyrannoSullyRex]Likely depends on the race position of Alonso (in the points or not).[/QUOTE]
That's a good point which I didn't consider. Still, Kimi has a lot of ground to make up on Alonso. The two point difference between first and second place is critical given Kimi's 26 point deficit to Alonso.
That's a good point which I didn't consider. Still, Kimi has a lot of ground to make up on Alonso. The two point difference between first and second place is critical given Kimi's 26 point deficit to Alonso.
| bemani | 08-16-2005 06:35 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]5. MS
[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure Bridgestones will melt in those Turkish summer temperatures :D
[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure Bridgestones will melt in those Turkish summer temperatures :D
| boxered | 08-16-2005 06:38 PM |
No way..look for Michelin to pull out due to terrorism concerns. So, knowing absolutely nothing about this track..I'm picking MS because..I read an interesting article in F1 magazine. :)
| artkevin | 08-16-2005 07:51 PM |
[QUOTE=Dussander]I thought this circuit did have elevation changes?[/QUOTE]
It might, I haven't seen anything on the Turkish track yet. I know all of his previous have been flat as boards (Malaysia, Bahrain, New Nurbugring etc) with a couple of dips thrown in for good measure.
KP
p.s. Good points all on the Kimi v Alonso battle :D
It might, I haven't seen anything on the Turkish track yet. I know all of his previous have been flat as boards (Malaysia, Bahrain, New Nurbugring etc) with a couple of dips thrown in for good measure.
KP
p.s. Good points all on the Kimi v Alonso battle :D
| Wr4wrX | 08-16-2005 09:39 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]Why is Herman Tilke the only circut designer in F1? I am not a fan of his designs. I would like to see some modern circuts with elevation changes.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Dussander]I thought this circuit did have elevation changes?[/QUOTE]
[URL=http://www.barhondaf1.com/php/audiovideo_popup.php?audiovideo_id=1003&type=video&size=2]One lap around Istanbul Park with Jenson Button.[/URL]
[QUOTE=Dussander]I thought this circuit did have elevation changes?[/QUOTE]
[URL=http://www.barhondaf1.com/php/audiovideo_popup.php?audiovideo_id=1003&type=video&size=2]One lap around Istanbul Park with Jenson Button.[/URL]
| finnRex | 08-16-2005 11:22 PM |
Here are my very biased picks...:)
1. Kimi- woo hoo!!
2. Juan- Mr. Pablo will win pole, but out of respect of pre-race agreement, will give lead to Kimi.
3. Alonso- will keep pace, but not enough to pass that wide care of Juan.
4. Michael- rough race for Bridgestone's at first, will come on strong towards the end.
5. Woobens- will pass Heidfeld with 2 laps left.
6. Heidfeld- strong showing despite lackluster car.
7. DC- why not?
8 Trulli- still showing life at Toyota.
Mika
1. Kimi- woo hoo!!
2. Juan- Mr. Pablo will win pole, but out of respect of pre-race agreement, will give lead to Kimi.
3. Alonso- will keep pace, but not enough to pass that wide care of Juan.
4. Michael- rough race for Bridgestone's at first, will come on strong towards the end.
5. Woobens- will pass Heidfeld with 2 laps left.
6. Heidfeld- strong showing despite lackluster car.
7. DC- why not?
8 Trulli- still showing life at Toyota.
Mika
| artkevin | 08-16-2005 11:50 PM |
[QUOTE=Wr4wrX][URL=http://www.barhondaf1.com/php/audiovideo_popup.php?audiovideo_id=1003&type=video&size=2]One lap around Istanbul Park with Jenson Button.[/URL][/QUOTE]
Theres gold in them thar hills! :banana:
Mr. Button says easy flat in "Eau Rouge". I am excited to see the cars at full speed through that track.
Theres gold in them thar hills! :banana:
Mr. Button says easy flat in "Eau Rouge". I am excited to see the cars at full speed through that track.
| TimStevens | 08-17-2005 08:36 AM |
Looks like a nice track!
| ArtGecko | 08-17-2005 11:25 PM |
K.Raikkonen
J.Montoya
F.Alonso
J.Button
M.Schumacher
N.Heidfeld
J.Trulli
D.Coulthard
J.Montoya
F.Alonso
J.Button
M.Schumacher
N.Heidfeld
J.Trulli
D.Coulthard
| MattDell | 08-17-2005 11:47 PM |
So how has everyone else gotten through this Formula 1 drought? I've been listening to lots and LOTS of Formula 1 podcasts. They're quite good. Quite good.
-Matt
-Matt
| Ferg | 08-18-2005 12:34 AM |
[QUOTE=Wr4wrX][URL=http://www.barhondaf1.com/php/audiovideo_popup.php?audiovideo_id=1003&type=video&size=2]One lap around Istanbul Park with Jenson Button.[/URL][/QUOTE]
Thanks for that :D Totally made my day.
Thanks for that :D Totally made my day.
| Patrick Olsen | 08-18-2005 01:52 AM |
Have the new tracks that debuted in the past couple/few years also been completely untested? I know the Speed guys commented at the end of the last race that the next race was Turkey, and that not a single team had done any testing there. I don't remember if the situation was the same for Bahrain or China. Anyone know?
Pat Olsen
'97 Legacy 2.5GT sedan
Pat Olsen
'97 Legacy 2.5GT sedan
| Wr4wrX | 08-18-2005 02:24 AM |
[QUOTE=Ferg]Thanks for that :D Totally made my day.[/QUOTE]
Glad it put a smile on your face. :)
Glad it put a smile on your face. :)
| Wr4wrX | 08-18-2005 02:25 AM |
[QUOTE=Patrick Olsen]Have the new tracks that debuted in the past couple/few years also been completely untested? I know the Speed guys commented at the end of the last race that the next race was Turkey, and that not a single team had done any testing there. I don't remember if the situation was the same for Bahrain or China. Anyone know?
Pat Olsen
'97 Legacy 2.5GT sedan[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure that no teams have tested Turkey along with the other new tracks (Bahrain and China) before racing on them.
Pat Olsen
'97 Legacy 2.5GT sedan[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure that no teams have tested Turkey along with the other new tracks (Bahrain and China) before racing on them.
| Wr4wrX | 08-18-2005 03:09 AM |
I just double checked my picks for the Turkish GP and apparently Pick 6 has lost them. I reentered my picks, but still, Pick 6 didn't register them. Anybody else have the same problem?
| TimStevens | 08-18-2005 08:17 AM |
[QUOTE=MattDell]So how has everyone else gotten through this Formula 1 drought? I've been listening to lots and LOTS of Formula 1 podcasts. They're quite good. Quite good.
-Matt[/QUOTE]
Any recommendations?
-Matt[/QUOTE]
Any recommendations?
| TimStevens | 08-18-2005 09:27 AM |
Heh heh, here's Redbull's recap of the last 3 weeks:
[quote]
It is a tradition in just about every country in the world that, on returning to school after the Summer Break, children are asked to write an essay about what they did in the Holidays. Obviously, as grand prix drivers, there was no way Coulthard, Klien and Liuzzi were actually going to put pen to paper, but they told us what they have been up to since last we met in Budapest.
DAVID COULTHARD � A SUITABLE BUOY
It was a case of �hello sailor� for our DC, as he headed off for the Isle of Wight to take part in the famous Cowes Week sailing regatta. David was on the Hugo Boss yacht, skippered by Olympic gold medallist, Ben Ainslie. Also on board was Davina McCall, former wild-child MTV presenter, British TV Big Brother hostess and now, mumsy hair colouration advertiser. The �Open� race was run over a 50 mile course in the Solent and the Hugo Boss boat was leading its class until struck by something called �a bad windshift!�
David then went to Scotland, where he stayed for two days with friends at Skibo Castle, the famous venue for pop singer Madonna�s wedding to film director Guy Ritchie. Rumours that David pranced round the castle singing, �Like a virgin, touched for the very first time, oooh oooh oooh!� have not been confirmed. He then headed home to spend time with his family in Twynholm, Scotland. As DC is the only F1 pilot to have driven around the new Turkish track since it was finished (in a road car,) we had hoped to bring you his views of the circuit. However, despite the fact that the inventor of the telephone, Alexander Graham Bell, was Scottish, all lines to Twynholm appeared to be down. Maybe David was not in Scotland at all, but on the famous tropical island of Incommunicado.
TONIO LIUZZI � MESSIN� ABOUT IN MESSINA
Wherever you live in the world, you are bound to have seen a television commercial for an Italian product, olive oil or pizza maybe, which features a large family of impossibly beautiful young people and remarkably healthy geriatrics, all laughing and joking while enjoying a meal in an olive grove. Well, it seems that these commercials are all based around the lives of the Liuzzi family.
Tonio travelled to Sicily to see his family at their holiday home, near Messina. �It�s the first time I had been there for twelve years and I met a lot of the friends I grew up with,� said Tonio. �Some of them, I had not seen for twelve years,� [b]added the brilliant mathematician[/b]. Our Italian driver also celebrated his 25th birthday while he was there and was showered with gifts at a lunch for his extended family, as aunts and uncles and cousins all piled in to a local restaurant. His favourite present was a new watch given to him by a mystery girl � but Tonio wasn�t giving anything away about that� Prior to Turkey, Liuzzi has been back in the Milton Keynes factory filming a TV documentary for the Discovery Channel.
CHRISTIAN KLIEN � DE-STRESSING IN SARDINIA
After Hungary, Christian made the short journey over the border to his native Austria, with his father and grandfather and after a week, he packed his bags and his girlfriend and headed south for Sardinia. Sensibly, he steered clear of the part of the island famous as a Eurotrash haven for supermodels and super-egos. �I just wanted to have a quiet time on the beach and get away from the stress of Formula 1,� he said. �There was no way I wanted to go clubbing,� he added, which must have come as good news for the island�s seal population! Klien obviously managed to clear his mind of the stresses and strains of the real world as, when asked what he got Tonio for his birthday, he replied: �Oh #### I forgot all about it!� And the best thing about your break, Christian? �I didn�t have to go anywhere near Milton Keynes!�[/quote]
:lol: @ brilliant
[quote]
It is a tradition in just about every country in the world that, on returning to school after the Summer Break, children are asked to write an essay about what they did in the Holidays. Obviously, as grand prix drivers, there was no way Coulthard, Klien and Liuzzi were actually going to put pen to paper, but they told us what they have been up to since last we met in Budapest.
DAVID COULTHARD � A SUITABLE BUOY
It was a case of �hello sailor� for our DC, as he headed off for the Isle of Wight to take part in the famous Cowes Week sailing regatta. David was on the Hugo Boss yacht, skippered by Olympic gold medallist, Ben Ainslie. Also on board was Davina McCall, former wild-child MTV presenter, British TV Big Brother hostess and now, mumsy hair colouration advertiser. The �Open� race was run over a 50 mile course in the Solent and the Hugo Boss boat was leading its class until struck by something called �a bad windshift!�
David then went to Scotland, where he stayed for two days with friends at Skibo Castle, the famous venue for pop singer Madonna�s wedding to film director Guy Ritchie. Rumours that David pranced round the castle singing, �Like a virgin, touched for the very first time, oooh oooh oooh!� have not been confirmed. He then headed home to spend time with his family in Twynholm, Scotland. As DC is the only F1 pilot to have driven around the new Turkish track since it was finished (in a road car,) we had hoped to bring you his views of the circuit. However, despite the fact that the inventor of the telephone, Alexander Graham Bell, was Scottish, all lines to Twynholm appeared to be down. Maybe David was not in Scotland at all, but on the famous tropical island of Incommunicado.
TONIO LIUZZI � MESSIN� ABOUT IN MESSINA
Wherever you live in the world, you are bound to have seen a television commercial for an Italian product, olive oil or pizza maybe, which features a large family of impossibly beautiful young people and remarkably healthy geriatrics, all laughing and joking while enjoying a meal in an olive grove. Well, it seems that these commercials are all based around the lives of the Liuzzi family.
Tonio travelled to Sicily to see his family at their holiday home, near Messina. �It�s the first time I had been there for twelve years and I met a lot of the friends I grew up with,� said Tonio. �Some of them, I had not seen for twelve years,� [b]added the brilliant mathematician[/b]. Our Italian driver also celebrated his 25th birthday while he was there and was showered with gifts at a lunch for his extended family, as aunts and uncles and cousins all piled in to a local restaurant. His favourite present was a new watch given to him by a mystery girl � but Tonio wasn�t giving anything away about that� Prior to Turkey, Liuzzi has been back in the Milton Keynes factory filming a TV documentary for the Discovery Channel.
CHRISTIAN KLIEN � DE-STRESSING IN SARDINIA
After Hungary, Christian made the short journey over the border to his native Austria, with his father and grandfather and after a week, he packed his bags and his girlfriend and headed south for Sardinia. Sensibly, he steered clear of the part of the island famous as a Eurotrash haven for supermodels and super-egos. �I just wanted to have a quiet time on the beach and get away from the stress of Formula 1,� he said. �There was no way I wanted to go clubbing,� he added, which must have come as good news for the island�s seal population! Klien obviously managed to clear his mind of the stresses and strains of the real world as, when asked what he got Tonio for his birthday, he replied: �Oh #### I forgot all about it!� And the best thing about your break, Christian? �I didn�t have to go anywhere near Milton Keynes!�[/quote]
:lol: @ brilliant
| grandpa rex | 08-18-2005 11:06 AM |
It's Turkey time? Well here are my picks:
1. Mashed potatoes
2. Gravy
3. Corn
4. Cranberry Sauce
5. Home made bread
6. Antipasto
7. Pumpkin Pie
8. Pecan Pie
For the driving part:
1. Raikkonen
2. MS - he always does well on new tracks, and he's qualifying next to last
3. Alonso
4. Trulli
5. Fisi
6. Montoya - bad qual spot, this is about as far up as he'll make it
7. Rubinho
8, DC
1. Mashed potatoes
2. Gravy
3. Corn
4. Cranberry Sauce
5. Home made bread
6. Antipasto
7. Pumpkin Pie
8. Pecan Pie
For the driving part:
1. Raikkonen
2. MS - he always does well on new tracks, and he's qualifying next to last
3. Alonso
4. Trulli
5. Fisi
6. Montoya - bad qual spot, this is about as far up as he'll make it
7. Rubinho
8, DC
| asquaredrex | 08-18-2005 11:50 AM |
[IMG]http://www.speedtv.com/_assets/library/img/large/79337_tgp2.jpg[/IMG]
From Speed TV:
"The downside of being a millionaire Grand Prix driver: you still have to take Turkish baths with generously mustached men when your sponsors tell you to."
Go Kimi! (please don't blow up :( )
From Speed TV:
"The downside of being a millionaire Grand Prix driver: you still have to take Turkish baths with generously mustached men when your sponsors tell you to."
Go Kimi! (please don't blow up :( )
| artkevin | 08-18-2005 12:20 PM |
^ Jenson looks like a puppet. Hes got such narrow arms and body but his neck is freakin' huge! :lol:
| finnRex | 08-18-2005 12:30 PM |
[QUOTE=asquaredrex]
Go Kimi! (please don't blow up :( )[/QUOTE]
My sentiments exactly. That oscar would be leading Alonso if it weren't for the Silver Arrows reliability(lack thereof). :mad:...I hate Ferrari, but I would like to see Kimi go there simply so that he can win championships.
Mika
Go Kimi! (please don't blow up :( )[/QUOTE]
My sentiments exactly. That oscar would be leading Alonso if it weren't for the Silver Arrows reliability(lack thereof). :mad:...I hate Ferrari, but I would like to see Kimi go there simply so that he can win championships.
Mika
| bemani | 08-18-2005 01:19 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]^ Jenson looks like a puppet. Hes got such narrow arms and body but his neck is freakin' huge! :lol:[/QUOTE]
I thought an F1 driver would be in better shape than that.
I thought an F1 driver would be in better shape than that.
| artkevin | 08-18-2005 02:26 PM |
All of the F1 guys I have met baring Mark Webber have been really small. Their shoulders and forearms are large but the rest of them tends to be very thin. I always get a kick out of how small some of them are. I saw Rubens, Massa and Kannan at a club one time and it looked like the Lollipop Guild was in town. :lol:
| sspicollo8 | 08-18-2005 04:01 PM |
Raikkonen
Alonso
MS
Montoya
Button
Barrichello
RS
Fisi
Alonso
MS
Montoya
Button
Barrichello
RS
Fisi
| ArtGecko | 08-18-2005 06:25 PM |
[QUOTE=Wr4wrX]I just double checked my picks for the Turkish GP and apparently Pick 6 has lost them. I reentered my picks, but still, Pick 6 didn't register them. Anybody else have the same problem?[/QUOTE]
I got my picks verified via email, but when I go back and look at my "picks for future events" and select GP Turkey, it lists my picks for whatever race was this coming weekend last year.
(Interestingly, they were:
M.Schumacher
K.Raikkonen
R.Barrichello
J.Button
G.Fisichella
J.Trulli
D.Coulthard
M.Webber
Not horribly different than my picks for this week!)
Hopefully, they have the correct ones in the database. If not, I'm out, because last race was my second use of the previous race's picks ( I forgot to pick.)
Steve
I got my picks verified via email, but when I go back and look at my "picks for future events" and select GP Turkey, it lists my picks for whatever race was this coming weekend last year.
(Interestingly, they were:
M.Schumacher
K.Raikkonen
R.Barrichello
J.Button
G.Fisichella
J.Trulli
D.Coulthard
M.Webber
Not horribly different than my picks for this week!)
Hopefully, they have the correct ones in the database. If not, I'm out, because last race was my second use of the previous race's picks ( I forgot to pick.)
Steve
| MattDell | 08-18-2005 06:43 PM |
[QUOTE=bemani]I thought an F1 driver would be in better shape than that.[/QUOTE]
I think the shadows on his arms makes him look smaller than he really is.
-Matt
I think the shadows on his arms makes him look smaller than he really is.
-Matt
| MattDell | 08-18-2005 11:38 PM |
[QUOTE=ArtGecko]I got my picks verified via email, but when I go back and look at my "picks for future events" and select GP Turkey, it lists my picks for whatever race was this coming weekend last year.
(Interestingly, they were:
M.Schumacher
K.Raikkonen
R.Barrichello
J.Button
G.Fisichella
J.Trulli
D.Coulthard
M.Webber
Not horribly different than my picks for this week!)
Hopefully, they have the correct ones in the database. If not, I'm out, because last race was my second use of the previous race's picks ( I forgot to pick.)
Steve[/QUOTE]
I'm having the same problem; though I don't have any picks from last year to go by. :confused:
(Interestingly, they were:
M.Schumacher
K.Raikkonen
R.Barrichello
J.Button
G.Fisichella
J.Trulli
D.Coulthard
M.Webber
Not horribly different than my picks for this week!)
Hopefully, they have the correct ones in the database. If not, I'm out, because last race was my second use of the previous race's picks ( I forgot to pick.)
Steve[/QUOTE]
I'm having the same problem; though I don't have any picks from last year to go by. :confused:
| AndyRoo | 08-18-2005 11:47 PM |
thought i would throw in the current standings of the pick 8 group ;)
24. 442 Andrew Sekellick
43. 436 Chris Hartman
149. 422 Gary Lancaster
188. 419 Steve Morris
516. 401 Alex Hofstetter
848. 388 Jim Rider
1061. 379 Matt Phelps
1079. 378 Jon Hasseler
378 Brad Hildebrand
1099. 377 Peter Lapin
1176. 373 Ken March
1295. 367 William Truett
1400. 362 Michael Fiyak
1723. 340 David Ferguson
2040. 296 Rupert Berrington
2475. 192 Matt Dell
2860. 107 Davis Powers
2954. 88 Scott Ripley
3047. 69 Wesley Slone
3119. 59 Suresh Rajan
3446. 28 Erich Schmitke
- andrew
24. 442 Andrew Sekellick
43. 436 Chris Hartman
149. 422 Gary Lancaster
188. 419 Steve Morris
516. 401 Alex Hofstetter
848. 388 Jim Rider
1061. 379 Matt Phelps
1079. 378 Jon Hasseler
378 Brad Hildebrand
1099. 377 Peter Lapin
1176. 373 Ken March
1295. 367 William Truett
1400. 362 Michael Fiyak
1723. 340 David Ferguson
2040. 296 Rupert Berrington
2475. 192 Matt Dell
2860. 107 Davis Powers
2954. 88 Scott Ripley
3047. 69 Wesley Slone
3119. 59 Suresh Rajan
3446. 28 Erich Schmitke
- andrew
| Dussander | 08-19-2005 01:20 PM |
McLaren smack down please...for once, let them both finish at the top!
| Wr4wrX | 08-19-2005 04:25 PM |
[QUOTE=finnRex]I hate Ferrari, but I would like to see Kimi go there simply so that he can win championships.[/QUOTE]
I hope Kimi doesn't move 'cause Ferrari ain't winnin' anymore championships. ;) :devil:
I hope Kimi doesn't move 'cause Ferrari ain't winnin' anymore championships. ;) :devil:
| skuttledude | 08-20-2005 10:23 AM |
I just have found my 2nd favorite turn in F1. (Eau Rouge at SPa is #1)
Turn 8 at Turkey is a triple apex turn at high speed. It is truly amazing to see which F1 driver is the most brave going thru that series in turn8. Schuy himself spun many times in the first sessions at the track INCLUDING qualifying.
Really awesome stuff.
Qualifying Spolier
Pole is Kimi, followed by the fish and el Matador.
Turn 8 at Turkey is a triple apex turn at high speed. It is truly amazing to see which F1 driver is the most brave going thru that series in turn8. Schuy himself spun many times in the first sessions at the track INCLUDING qualifying.
Really awesome stuff.
Qualifying Spolier
Pole is Kimi, followed by the fish and el Matador.
| bemani | 08-20-2005 12:14 PM |
Those guys must have mistaken this for the Turkish rally.
| BlazingEngine | 08-20-2005 12:44 PM |
[QUOTE=bemani]Those guys must have mistaken this for the Turkish rally.[/QUOTE]
rofl :lol:
Well said
rofl :lol:
Well said
| Scoob5555 | 08-20-2005 12:52 PM |
Watching a little qualifying this morning, I have to say this course looks incredible. I'm loving the turn 8 complex corner, too. If for no other reason than seeing the Schumi brothers botching it back-to-back. Should be a very interesting race. Especially if Kimi's car can tough it out through the entire race.
Elevation changes don't seem to be an issue here - looks like a great course for any road racing series.
Elevation changes don't seem to be an issue here - looks like a great course for any road racing series.
| boxered | 08-21-2005 10:03 AM |
Ferrari..zero points, amazing.
| ArtGecko | 08-21-2005 10:07 AM |
Arrggg! That ol' switcheroo either gave or lost several of us 4 points. I ended up with 48, but had 52 until then... (being vague for those who don't watch until the next broadcast. ;)
Good race overall, and I really like this new circuit!
Steve
Good race overall, and I really like this new circuit!
Steve
| finnRex | 08-21-2005 01:21 PM |
Good race for McLaren. Could have been better had Juan not messed up. Glad to see both McLaren podium though:).
Mika
Mika
| Patrick L | 08-21-2005 02:43 PM |
[QUOTE=finnRex]Good race for McLaren. Could have been better had Juan not messed up. Glad to see both McLaren podium though:).
Mika[/QUOTE]
How did JPM mess up? He got hit which destroyed his rear diffuser. That's why he went wide in turn 8 and lost 2nd place. He was lapping MONTEIRO for the 2nd time. Quoting Ron Dennis.
[QUOTE]Regarding Juan Pablo's incident it should be noted that somebody who has been lapped already twice should make certain that he leaves enough room.[/QUOTE]
Mika[/QUOTE]
How did JPM mess up? He got hit which destroyed his rear diffuser. That's why he went wide in turn 8 and lost 2nd place. He was lapping MONTEIRO for the 2nd time. Quoting Ron Dennis.
[QUOTE]Regarding Juan Pablo's incident it should be noted that somebody who has been lapped already twice should make certain that he leaves enough room.[/QUOTE]
| artkevin | 08-21-2005 03:36 PM |
I do think it was Moteiros fault, there was no reason to push the pace at the point for him, but JPM did get right in front of him in a heart beat. Tiago had no reason to push the braking limit like that with 3 laps to go. Sucks becuase I was pulling for a Merc 1-2. Did I really just say that?
Tilke finally got a circut right. I like the Turkish track. It actually has feeling to it and produced a good race.
Tilke finally got a circut right. I like the Turkish track. It actually has feeling to it and produced a good race.
| finnRex | 08-21-2005 05:31 PM |
Montoya flat spotted his tire earlier, thus not giving him mechanical grip. He also got in front of Montiero quite quickly in which he hit Montoya(the rear diffuser deal). Montiero should have given Montoya plenty of space, but he didn't. That flat spotted tire Montoya's fault. If that rear diffuser was so overwhelmingly important, how was Montoya able to keep up with Alonso after he was passed? Montoya just handed Alonso 2 more points, something that would have helped Kimi in the driver's championship.
Mika
Mika
| jetfan2207 | 08-21-2005 06:39 PM |
[QUOTE=finnRex] Montiero should have given Montoya plenty of space, but he didn't. That flat spotted tire Montoya's fault.
Mika[/QUOTE]
Montoya pretty much cut Montiero off. Montiero didn't turn into Montoya, or speed up to hit him. It's always the responsibility of the person who is passing to make sure they have enough room and can execute it correctly/safely. Montoya misjudged, thus it is Montoya's fault.
Mika[/QUOTE]
Montoya pretty much cut Montiero off. Montiero didn't turn into Montoya, or speed up to hit him. It's always the responsibility of the person who is passing to make sure they have enough room and can execute it correctly/safely. Montoya misjudged, thus it is Montoya's fault.
| Patrick L | 08-21-2005 06:43 PM |
The diffuser creates down force which in turn creates drag. So he would probably be faster in the straights. Not all the corners required all that down force except for turn 8. Montiero should have backed off to let he go by and not push it.
| pittspilot | 08-21-2005 08:24 PM |
Looks to me like JPM jumped in front of Montiero, cutting off his front downforce, and then climbed on the binders. You can see Montiero instantly lock them up, which means he was out of grip.
A guy being overtaken owes the other guy not to get in his way, but it doesn't mean that he has to do the impossible.
Also, there was zero reason for JPM to pull that stunt. He had a large lead on Alonso, why the need for millimeter driving?
JPM's fault all the way.
A guy being overtaken owes the other guy not to get in his way, but it doesn't mean that he has to do the impossible.
Also, there was zero reason for JPM to pull that stunt. He had a large lead on Alonso, why the need for millimeter driving?
JPM's fault all the way.
| Dussander | 08-21-2005 11:29 PM |
You people are crazy. If you are being passed into a braking point, you need to start braking early. Montiero should have been braking as Juan was driving by, not once he pulled in front of him. Two cars can not use the same braking point if they are running close enough, if you are behind or soon to be, you have to brake early. Montoya couldn't break offline that late in the race because there were marbles offline. If you lock up, you brake slower, and if you have brake problems you brake slower. So if Montoya's brakes were fine, he would have slowed down even faster.
If you're being lapped you stay on your line and lift or brake early. Montiero was wrong when he took out Villeneuve a couple of races back and he was wrong this time as well. I think Montiero's quote fits best: "I could not avoid pushing him as I was blind.." (Montiero was probably off in dreamland reliving that insane day he won third.)
If you're being lapped you stay on your line and lift or brake early. Montiero was wrong when he took out Villeneuve a couple of races back and he was wrong this time as well. I think Montiero's quote fits best: "I could not avoid pushing him as I was blind.." (Montiero was probably off in dreamland reliving that insane day he won third.)
| jetfan2207 | 08-22-2005 12:37 AM |
[QUOTE=Dussander] I think Montiero's quote fits best: "I could not avoid pushing him as I was blind.." (Montiero was probably off in dreamland reliving that insane day he won third.)[/QUOTE]
That is only half of the quote. From F1.com; Montiero's full quote:
"Then, Montoya overtook me and shut the door in a braking zone. I could not avoid pushing him as I was blind and lost all the downforce. I am really sorry for him as he was fighting for a podium but we have talked a lot during the briefings that we should not move positions in braking areas. I do not really know what happened as I have not talked to him yet.�
That is only half of the quote. From F1.com; Montiero's full quote:
"Then, Montoya overtook me and shut the door in a braking zone. I could not avoid pushing him as I was blind and lost all the downforce. I am really sorry for him as he was fighting for a podium but we have talked a lot during the briefings that we should not move positions in braking areas. I do not really know what happened as I have not talked to him yet.�
| Homemade WRX | 08-22-2005 02:01 AM |
[QUOTE=Top_Dog]The diffuser creates down force which in turn creates drag. So he would probably be faster in the straights. Not all the corners required all that down force except for turn 8. Montiero should have backed off to let he go by and not push it.[/QUOTE]
rear diffusers don't creat drag, as they are part of an undertray using the venturis to create vacuum with the ground there for not causing any form of drag other than skin friction as the air flows across the undertray...but many teams will use vortex generator in the venturis to keep the airflow seperated from the body...put shortly diffusers don't cause drag
rear diffusers don't creat drag, as they are part of an undertray using the venturis to create vacuum with the ground there for not causing any form of drag other than skin friction as the air flows across the undertray...but many teams will use vortex generator in the venturis to keep the airflow seperated from the body...put shortly diffusers don't cause drag
| Dussander | 08-22-2005 10:58 AM |
I rewatched the Speed coverage of the incident about 10x this morning. Montiero was behind Karthikeyan, maybe 3 seconds down. Montoya passed Montiero at turn 12 (the best passing spot on the circuit) and cut in at about 80-90 meters before the turn (going by the blocks that are at 50 meter marks). Montoya brakes at 50 meters which is where he seemed to brake before and after the incident. The only reason it looks like Montoya chops, is because Montiero kept his foot in it, when he should have not. Montoya does not lock up the brakes, but Montiero does big time. I think Montiero wanted to use his normal braking point in the hopes to gain some ground on Karthikeyan and assumed (foolishly) Montoya would brake off-line to not slow Montiero.
Backmarkers should give it up when being lapped.
Backmarkers should give it up when being lapped.
| TimStevens | 08-22-2005 11:14 AM |
If montoya cut over at 90 meters, 40 before the braking zone, and assuming they were going around 190mph at that point (I think that's about right), Montiero had roughly two tenths of a second before getting to the braking zone once Montoya cut in front of him to react. That's not enough time to begin to brake early, and Montoya certainly didn't take his time moving across.
I'm sure Monteiro was getting ready for a normal line into the corner, Montoya took away his front aero when he cut in front of him, leading to the collision.
Why is nobody talking about the MS/Webber collision? Or is it pretty much assumed to be MS's fault? He, of course, said that Webber moved in to him :rolleyes:
I'm sure Monteiro was getting ready for a normal line into the corner, Montoya took away his front aero when he cut in front of him, leading to the collision.
Why is nobody talking about the MS/Webber collision? Or is it pretty much assumed to be MS's fault? He, of course, said that Webber moved in to him :rolleyes:
| Dussander | 08-22-2005 11:43 AM |
Thus why Montiero should have lifted and/or braked while Montoya was passing. I've been passed like this many times and even without having to deal with downforce, you have to give it up. If you are being passed for a position it usually helps to brake early anyway and pick a good line out in the case the passer goes too deep, so you can pass them on the exit. If your being lapped, you should not slow the passer (or punt them).
I think nobody cares about MS/Webber because neither of them even finished the race, so it didn't effect the outcome.
Before I say this, I'll be clear and say I think Michael is a great driver. But he sucked this weekend, much like he did at the first China race. He seems to have lost motivation. He didn't finish out his qualy lap, he pulled in right away after contact with Webber, he then came in and pitted the car for a long time, then went back out to get enough laps to finish 17th and then stopped again. He had a faster car then the Jordan's and Minardi, but he still got beat by them. Many drivers had slow cars out there, but Michael just seemed to get flustered and quit.
I think nobody cares about MS/Webber because neither of them even finished the race, so it didn't effect the outcome.
Before I say this, I'll be clear and say I think Michael is a great driver. But he sucked this weekend, much like he did at the first China race. He seems to have lost motivation. He didn't finish out his qualy lap, he pulled in right away after contact with Webber, he then came in and pitted the car for a long time, then went back out to get enough laps to finish 17th and then stopped again. He had a faster car then the Jordan's and Minardi, but he still got beat by them. Many drivers had slow cars out there, but Michael just seemed to get flustered and quit.
| TimStevens | 08-22-2005 12:02 PM |
Well, no point in arguing, but if you put me in a Jordan lapping at 1:30+ next to Montoya lapping at 1:25, I probably wouldn't think I'd have to lift.
| artkevin | 08-22-2005 12:42 PM |
[QUOTE=TimStevens]
Why is nobody talking about the MS/Webber collision? Or is it pretty much assumed to be MS's fault? He, of course, said that Webber moved in to him :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
I talked about a little in OT. I think MS blocked him going in and then chopped him in the corner. It wasn't needed becuase he was a lap down AND noticeably faster. MS should have let him go but he said in an interview that there is no way Webber would have made his lap back....SO WHAT? As we all know now, you have to finish as high in the order as possible just to not get completely screwed in quali in the next race. I have no idea what Michael was thinking.
Why is nobody talking about the MS/Webber collision? Or is it pretty much assumed to be MS's fault? He, of course, said that Webber moved in to him :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
I talked about a little in OT. I think MS blocked him going in and then chopped him in the corner. It wasn't needed becuase he was a lap down AND noticeably faster. MS should have let him go but he said in an interview that there is no way Webber would have made his lap back....SO WHAT? As we all know now, you have to finish as high in the order as possible just to not get completely screwed in quali in the next race. I have no idea what Michael was thinking.
| bal00 | 08-22-2005 12:51 PM |
Montoya did a 1:25 lap after the Monteiro incident, didn't he? I would say the car was fine.
| Patrick L | 08-22-2005 10:44 PM |
[QUOTE=Homemade WRX]rear diffusers don't creat drag, as they are part of an undertray using the venturis to create vacuum with the ground there for not causing any form of drag other than skin friction as the air flows across the undertray...but many teams will use vortex generator in the venturis to keep the airflow seperated from the body...put shortly diffusers don't cause drag[/QUOTE]
I was read up on aerodynamics and there is some but very little. I does create a vaccum under the car forcing the car down like if the car was heavier and putting more weight on the tires creating more meachanical grip. With the diffuser damaged, less vaccum would more then likely would not create the same downward force. The would make it easier too excelerate quicker.
I was read up on aerodynamics and there is some but very little. I does create a vaccum under the car forcing the car down like if the car was heavier and putting more weight on the tires creating more meachanical grip. With the diffuser damaged, less vaccum would more then likely would not create the same downward force. The would make it easier too excelerate quicker.
| TimStevens | 08-23-2005 07:42 AM |
A vaccum [i]under[/i] the car will not slow it down. A vaccum [i]behind[/i] the car, however, would.
| [email�protected] | 08-23-2005 11:07 AM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]I would like to see some modern circuts with elevation changes.[/QUOTE]
have you not seen Eau Rouge at the Spa Francochamps circuit?
[IMG]http://www.speedgeezers.com/albums/album68/spa_2004_105.jpg[/IMG]
and from a different angle
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have you not seen Eau Rouge at the Spa Francochamps circuit?
[IMG]http://www.speedgeezers.com/albums/album68/spa_2004_105.jpg[/IMG]
and from a different angle
[IMG]http:[email�protected]/Europe/Europe024.jpg[/IMG]
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