| gtguy | 01-06-2003 11:51 PM |
Headlight bulb shootout upcoming...
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The contenders will be the "approved" upgrade bulbs:
Sylvania SilverStar and XtraVision
Philips HiVisibility
G.E. High Output
I will be leaving the VisionPlus (Philips) bulbs in my Prodrive projectors, and a stock lighted WRX will be the test bed. We'll swap in a bulb, and check the light output. It's that simple.
IMHO, blue tint to the light will be bad, which is why none of the PIAAs and stuff like that will be included. I might remove the EuroLights that I have from doorstop duty to include those in the test, just for laughs. :lol:
It should happen this week, possibly at our Thursday Scooby meets, if Mr. Postman cooperates.
Kevin
Sylvania SilverStar and XtraVision
Philips HiVisibility
G.E. High Output
I will be leaving the VisionPlus (Philips) bulbs in my Prodrive projectors, and a stock lighted WRX will be the test bed. We'll swap in a bulb, and check the light output. It's that simple.
IMHO, blue tint to the light will be bad, which is why none of the PIAAs and stuff like that will be included. I might remove the EuroLights that I have from doorstop duty to include those in the test, just for laughs. :lol:
It should happen this week, possibly at our Thursday Scooby meets, if Mr. Postman cooperates.
Kevin
| Ken Levin | 01-07-2003 01:23 AM |
Ah - the never-ending quest for Truth in Subyland. Go Kevin!
| Kean | 01-07-2003 12:47 PM |
Re: Headlight bulb shootout upcoming...
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy [/i]
[B]IMHO, blue tint to the light will be bad, which is why none of the PIAAs and stuff like that will be included. [/B][/QUOTE]
....Siver Stars are also tinted. In my opinion, any tinted bulbs are bad since they "filter" some of the visible light. I had the SilverStars and recently went with the XtraVisions instead. The SiverStars had an odd light pattern and seemed to be harder to see by during wet/rainy situations. Good luck on the test. I'm interested to see what your conclusions are.
Kean
[B]IMHO, blue tint to the light will be bad, which is why none of the PIAAs and stuff like that will be included. [/B][/QUOTE]
....Siver Stars are also tinted. In my opinion, any tinted bulbs are bad since they "filter" some of the visible light. I had the SilverStars and recently went with the XtraVisions instead. The SiverStars had an odd light pattern and seemed to be harder to see by during wet/rainy situations. Good luck on the test. I'm interested to see what your conclusions are.
Kean
| ATX25RS | 01-07-2003 12:53 PM |
the silver stars kinda resemble my Polarg VIP's...their output is more purpleish pink than blue...to me it is a more viable option..the polargs, and maybe the silverstars, also have a small band of yellow on the lower band of the dispersement pattern...this helps in rainy weather..:D
| moggy291 | 01-07-2003 04:57 PM |
You should try out the Type-R bulbs they have out there. They shine brighter than those silverstars and phillips.
| ATX25RS | 01-07-2003 08:39 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by moggy291 [/i]
[B]You should try out the Type-R bulbs they have out there. They shine brighter than those silverstars and phillips. [/B][/QUOTE]
they are probably also 100W bulbs....:rolleyes:...
i think all these that he mentioned are stock wattage...aswell as the ones i mentioned
[B]You should try out the Type-R bulbs they have out there. They shine brighter than those silverstars and phillips. [/B][/QUOTE]
they are probably also 100W bulbs....:rolleyes:...
i think all these that he mentioned are stock wattage...aswell as the ones i mentioned
| Peaty | 01-07-2003 09:48 PM |
I'll be doing my own test soon too. I talked to Daniel Stern on the phone for a while and I'll be getting some of these:
site cut and paste:
German-made Narva bulbs for headlamps
60/55W Super High Efficiency Plus 50: $18/ea
These have no blue tinting at all. He also has nice upgrades to Fogs and marker lights. I hope to have everything this week to do the upgrade this weekend and do a scoobymods page
I have SilverStars and XtraVisions to compare.
He has a lot of good info here:
[url]http://lighting.mbz.org/home.html[/url]
Peaty
(anyone want to buy some used silverstars?)
site cut and paste:
German-made Narva bulbs for headlamps
60/55W Super High Efficiency Plus 50: $18/ea
These have no blue tinting at all. He also has nice upgrades to Fogs and marker lights. I hope to have everything this week to do the upgrade this weekend and do a scoobymods page
I have SilverStars and XtraVisions to compare.
He has a lot of good info here:
[url]http://lighting.mbz.org/home.html[/url]
Peaty
(anyone want to buy some used silverstars?)
| gtguy | 01-08-2003 08:58 AM |
Thanks Peaty. Let us know how they work...the Narva bulbs, that is. Where can you source the Narva bulbs? Your link didn't seem to come through.
Thanks,
Kevin
Thanks,
Kevin
| Peaty | 01-08-2003 09:20 AM |
Not sure why the link didn't work, it did for me try this:
[url]http://lighting.mbz.org/[/url]
or search in yahoo or something Daniel Stern Lighting.
There is some very good reading there. I called Daniel and talked to him for a while. I'm also getting upgraded rear marker, backup and brake lights. Details will be posted on our site after I get them.
He is also getting me something I've been searching a long time for, a bright red 1156 bulb that has red glass and isn't dipped in red paint. I've put a rear fog lamp in place of the left rear back up light (w/ all the associated wiring). It was impossible to find a good quality bright red bulb. The bulb I have in there now is just OK. The new one should fit the bill nicely.
Peaty
[url]http://lighting.mbz.org/[/url]
or search in yahoo or something Daniel Stern Lighting.
There is some very good reading there. I called Daniel and talked to him for a while. I'm also getting upgraded rear marker, backup and brake lights. Details will be posted on our site after I get them.
He is also getting me something I've been searching a long time for, a bright red 1156 bulb that has red glass and isn't dipped in red paint. I've put a rear fog lamp in place of the left rear back up light (w/ all the associated wiring). It was impossible to find a good quality bright red bulb. The bulb I have in there now is just OK. The new one should fit the bill nicely.
Peaty
| Fast Wagon | 01-08-2003 10:18 AM |
piaa's being blue??? what? i have piaa super white platinum series and they are not blue at all
| Peaty | 01-08-2003 10:27 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Fast Wagon [/i]
[B]piaa's being blue??? what? i have piaa super white platinum series and they are not blue at all [/B][/QUOTE]
True the light may be white but the bulb is blue:
H4 Super White Platinum Series
[IMG]http://www.autobarn.net/lib/rodi/PIA15660.jpg[/IMG]
Anytime you put a filter of any type in front of a light source you will reduce the output. The blue filter removes blue from the light making it appear white. If the proper colour is made to begin with, you don't need a filter so the bulb will be clear and not reduce the bulbs output at all. This is how the Narva bulbs work, the output is white and the bulb is clear.
Peaty
Look here:
[url]http://lighting.mbz.org/tech/bulbs/blue/bad/bad.html[/url]
And here:
[url]http://lighting.mbz.org/tech/bulbs/blue/good/good.html[/url]
PS the SilverStar bulbs mentioned in the Good Blue Bulb section are NOT the ones we get here in North America. The name is the same but the bulbs themselves aren't.
[B]piaa's being blue??? what? i have piaa super white platinum series and they are not blue at all [/B][/QUOTE]
True the light may be white but the bulb is blue:
H4 Super White Platinum Series
[IMG]http://www.autobarn.net/lib/rodi/PIA15660.jpg[/IMG]
Anytime you put a filter of any type in front of a light source you will reduce the output. The blue filter removes blue from the light making it appear white. If the proper colour is made to begin with, you don't need a filter so the bulb will be clear and not reduce the bulbs output at all. This is how the Narva bulbs work, the output is white and the bulb is clear.
Peaty
Look here:
[url]http://lighting.mbz.org/tech/bulbs/blue/bad/bad.html[/url]
And here:
[url]http://lighting.mbz.org/tech/bulbs/blue/good/good.html[/url]
PS the SilverStar bulbs mentioned in the Good Blue Bulb section are NOT the ones we get here in North America. The name is the same but the bulbs themselves aren't.
| gtguy | 01-08-2003 11:03 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Peaty [/i]
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PS the SilverStar bulbs mentioned in the Good Blue Bulb section are NOT the ones we get here in North America. The name is the same but the bulbs themselves aren't. [/B][/QUOTE]
Preach, brother Peaty! That's interesting info about the SilverStars. Source?
Kevin
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PS the SilverStar bulbs mentioned in the Good Blue Bulb section are NOT the ones we get here in North America. The name is the same but the bulbs themselves aren't. [/B][/QUOTE]
Preach, brother Peaty! That's interesting info about the SilverStars. Source?
Kevin
| Peaty | 01-08-2003 11:53 AM |
Daniel Stern and I sent some messages back and forth before I called him.
Me:
> Something I forgot to ask. I've put some SilverStar
> bulbs in my wife's 02' Subaru Outback VDC Wagon...
Daniel:
Pah. Toss 'em out. Much *less* light than even standard bulbs provide, which is NOT a good thing given the already-weak performance from the headlamps on the Outback (we have a Y2K OBW).
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I was surprised and quoted his site saying the Silverstars were good. (which is why I got them, I was using the Xtravisons)
Site quote:
> Sylvania Xtravision (in the pink-and-black package),
> Osram Super and SilverStar(outside North America);
> Philips High Visibility (North America), Premium and
> Vision Plus (outside North America); Narva RangePower
> are the ones to look for.
His reply was:
I should add some explicit language reminding that Sylvania perverted their parent company's product and used the "SilverStar" name on it. As it stands, though, it says "Osram Silverstar outside North America".
Me:
> SilverStars don't appear to be blue but white.
Daniel:
They use a blue filtration coating in the glass that steals LARGE
amounts of light. Just say NO to a bulb that has *ANY* blue or purple coloration to the glass.
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Those are cut and pastes from various messages with the extranious crap edited out, I hope it's understandable.
Peaty
Me:
> Something I forgot to ask. I've put some SilverStar
> bulbs in my wife's 02' Subaru Outback VDC Wagon...
Daniel:
Pah. Toss 'em out. Much *less* light than even standard bulbs provide, which is NOT a good thing given the already-weak performance from the headlamps on the Outback (we have a Y2K OBW).
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I was surprised and quoted his site saying the Silverstars were good. (which is why I got them, I was using the Xtravisons)
Site quote:
> Sylvania Xtravision (in the pink-and-black package),
> Osram Super and SilverStar(outside North America);
> Philips High Visibility (North America), Premium and
> Vision Plus (outside North America); Narva RangePower
> are the ones to look for.
His reply was:
I should add some explicit language reminding that Sylvania perverted their parent company's product and used the "SilverStar" name on it. As it stands, though, it says "Osram Silverstar outside North America".
Me:
> SilverStars don't appear to be blue but white.
Daniel:
They use a blue filtration coating in the glass that steals LARGE
amounts of light. Just say NO to a bulb that has *ANY* blue or purple coloration to the glass.
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Those are cut and pastes from various messages with the extranious crap edited out, I hope it's understandable.
Peaty
| il96 | 01-08-2003 02:39 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Peaty [/i]
[B]
The blue filter removes blue from the light making it appear white.
Peaty
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Blue filter passes blue light and block other colors, yellow mostly.
[B]
The blue filter removes blue from the light making it appear white.
Peaty
[/B][/QUOTE]
Blue filter passes blue light and block other colors, yellow mostly.
| Ken Levin | 01-08-2003 05:20 PM |
Be that as it may, to my eyes, the SilverStars I have as replacement for the '02 stock bulbs offer an improvement in visibility. I would be glad to upgrade the lights with an even better direct fit bulb of similar wattage. Keep us posted please.
Happy Motoring
Happy Motoring
| au112 | 01-08-2003 06:07 PM |
I agree that all colour-tinted bulbs are dimmer than the stock clear bulbs as the tinting reduce the brightness.
But my opinion is that the tinted bulbs (eg. piaa) provide whiter light and which reflect odjects better than the yellowish stock light. Although the the colour tinting filtered the brightness, but the white light appears to reflect object better, as a result, it seems brighter than clear bulb.
Andy
But my opinion is that the tinted bulbs (eg. piaa) provide whiter light and which reflect odjects better than the yellowish stock light. Although the the colour tinting filtered the brightness, but the white light appears to reflect object better, as a result, it seems brighter than clear bulb.
Andy
| gtguy | 01-08-2003 09:10 PM |
Hey Peaty, do you know if the Narva comes in 9007?
Kevin
Kevin
| gtguy | 01-08-2003 09:10 PM |
Hey Peaty, do you know if the Narva comes in 9007?
Kevin
Kevin
| A.C. SUBY | 01-08-2003 10:44 PM |
i just picked up some G.E. cool blue bulbs today. very nice, not bluish, just clearer light. i thought they were a good buy for 17 both. they also dont get as hot as other "hid" bulbs i had previously that eventually burnt out my headlamp harness:devil:
| Peaty | 01-08-2003 10:49 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy [/i]
[B]Hey Peaty, do you know if the Narva comes in 9007?
Kevin [/B][/QUOTE]
I believe so. Your best bet is to e-mail Daniel or give him a call.
His site says this:
[QUOTE]Most all other bulb types can be furnished; if you don't see what you're after, please feel free to email. Please do not ask for overwattage 9004, 9005, 9006 or 9007 bulbs; they are unsafe and not for sale. [/QUOTE]
His e-mail is: [email][email�protected][/email]
I didn't realize half the stuff he had till I talked to him.
Still waiting on the bulbs. Hope I get them tomorrow.
Peaty
[B]Hey Peaty, do you know if the Narva comes in 9007?
Kevin [/B][/QUOTE]
I believe so. Your best bet is to e-mail Daniel or give him a call.
His site says this:
[QUOTE]Most all other bulb types can be furnished; if you don't see what you're after, please feel free to email. Please do not ask for overwattage 9004, 9005, 9006 or 9007 bulbs; they are unsafe and not for sale. [/QUOTE]
His e-mail is: [email][email�protected][/email]
I didn't realize half the stuff he had till I talked to him.
Still waiting on the bulbs. Hope I get them tomorrow.
Peaty
| Peaty | 01-08-2003 11:24 PM |
The blue filter removes blue from the light making it appear white.
Peaty
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by il96 [/i]
[B]
Blue filter passes blue light and block other colors, yellow mostly. [/B][/QUOTE]
What I should have said is the blue filter coating removes the non-blue componants making it appear whiter. My bad.
Peaty
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by il96 [/i]
[B]
Blue filter passes blue light and block other colors, yellow mostly. [/B][/QUOTE]
What I should have said is the blue filter coating removes the non-blue componants making it appear whiter. My bad.
| b00st3d | 01-08-2003 11:44 PM |
i like catz!
use same wattage as factory yet output much much brighter.
use same wattage as factory yet output much much brighter.
| rory-wrx | 01-09-2003 12:32 AM |
Re: Headlight bulb shootout upcoming...
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy [/i]
[B]...We'll swap in a bulb, and check the light output....[/B][/QUOTE]
How will you do this? Do you have a photometer?
[B]...We'll swap in a bulb, and check the light output....[/B][/QUOTE]
How will you do this? Do you have a photometer?
| pagel | 01-09-2003 02:13 AM |
Burned out harness??? Please elaborate. How was it fixed?
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by A.C. SUBY [/i]
[B]i just picked up some G.E. cool blue bulbs today. very nice, not bluish, just clearer light. i thought they were a good buy for 17 both. they also dont get as hot as other "hid" bulbs i had previously that eventually burnt out my headlamp harness:devil: [/B][/QUOTE]
What kind of bulb damaged harness? Your's is the first time I ever heard of that happening. Why wouldn't the 20w fuse burned first? There is a hush over the audience as we are all awaiting your reply.
[B]i just picked up some G.E. cool blue bulbs today. very nice, not bluish, just clearer light. i thought they were a good buy for 17 both. they also dont get as hot as other "hid" bulbs i had previously that eventually burnt out my headlamp harness:devil: [/B][/QUOTE]
What kind of bulb damaged harness? Your's is the first time I ever heard of that happening. Why wouldn't the 20w fuse burned first? There is a hush over the audience as we are all awaiting your reply.
| NeoteriX | 01-09-2003 11:46 AM |
Wow! A thread after my own heart. I'm glad someone will finally put this blue/while bulb BS to the grave.
XtraVisions forever!!!
XtraVisions forever!!!
| gtguy | 01-09-2003 12:47 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by NeoteriX [/i]
[B]Wow! A thread after my own heart. I'm glad someone will finally put this blue/while bulb BS to the grave.
XtraVisions forever!!! [/B][/QUOTE]
Precisely what I was thinking, sir. :D
Kevin
[B]Wow! A thread after my own heart. I'm glad someone will finally put this blue/while bulb BS to the grave.
XtraVisions forever!!! [/B][/QUOTE]
Precisely what I was thinking, sir. :D
Kevin
| gtguy | 01-09-2003 12:47 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by NeoteriX [/i]
[B]Wow! A thread after my own heart. I'm glad someone will finally put this blue/while bulb BS to the grave.
XtraVisions forever!!! [/B][/QUOTE]
Precisely what I was thinking, sir. :D
Kevin
[B]Wow! A thread after my own heart. I'm glad someone will finally put this blue/while bulb BS to the grave.
XtraVisions forever!!! [/B][/QUOTE]
Precisely what I was thinking, sir. :D
Kevin
| Peaty | 01-09-2003 01:56 PM |
I have a pair of the XtraVisions too (three bulbs actually I kept one as a spare in the trunk) I agree they are so far the best I've used.
| Peaty | 01-09-2003 07:30 PM |
Let there be light (bulbs)
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And it begins...
[IMG]http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4267[/IMG]
I'll be putting info up here eventually.
[url]http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1235[/url]
Peaty
[IMG]http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4267[/IMG]
I'll be putting info up here eventually.
[url]http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1235[/url]
Peaty
| Rosco ReX Rox | 01-09-2003 09:31 PM |
APC bulbs
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I just picked up a pair of 9007 APC's at Pep Boys. The specs make it look O.K. 4200 degrees K advertised. I also snagged up a set of H3's for the fogllamps, again APC's. I'll try them... see what they do. The bulbs have a light blue tint to the glass???
I doubt APC makes their bulbs, does anyone know who makes them fro APC?
Keep on testing
I doubt APC makes their bulbs, does anyone know who makes them fro APC?
Keep on testing
| ExecNav | 01-10-2003 02:36 AM |
EDIT: Post I don't remember making...probably really late at night.
Anyway, I purchased a pair of those APC's uhhh... ultra white I think, 100w tho. They are very bright. My friends get upset with me when I drive behind them. They say I have the "ricer lights". But there just really bright white.
Anyway, I purchased a pair of those APC's uhhh... ultra white I think, 100w tho. They are very bright. My friends get upset with me when I drive behind them. They say I have the "ricer lights". But there just really bright white.
| Rosco ReX Rox | 01-12-2003 08:18 AM |
APC bulbs
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Hey, ScoobaruRS, in Ft. lauderdale, what do you think of the type, quality and improvements with the APC bulbs?
Tower Shops this coming Friday!
Tower Shops this coming Friday!
| GoodFinder | 01-12-2003 10:49 AM |
Great information here. Thanks for sharing!
GoodFinder :)
GoodFinder :)
| Peaty | 01-12-2003 01:54 PM |
Fog Bulbs
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Got this so far:
[url]http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=4301#post4301[/url]
I'm working on the headlamps and back-up bulbs I got. I have the pics edited just working on the pages now.
As far as putting any type of bulb in a fog lamp that shines even a hint of blue, this is a very bad idea. Blue light is the type that scatters the most. Not a good idea in a foggy situation, the light will come right back at you.
Peaty
[url]http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=4301#post4301[/url]
I'm working on the headlamps and back-up bulbs I got. I have the pics edited just working on the pages now.
As far as putting any type of bulb in a fog lamp that shines even a hint of blue, this is a very bad idea. Blue light is the type that scatters the most. Not a good idea in a foggy situation, the light will come right back at you.
Peaty
| Rosco ReX Rox | 01-12-2003 02:50 PM |
More lightbulbs
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Peaty,
I appreciate the info and photograph link to you site. That Narva bulb looks real good.
I, like you, are looking for a better bulb. Less yellow, brigther, whiter light. Fog and snow, or atmospheric stuff that can impact the light pattern and the light dispersion, don't worry me. I live in an area where improved visibilty is the biggest concern. I'm looking for the closest thing to a true Xenon HID, without the added weight, complexity and cost. In a replacement bulb, I'm also looking for something that makes me say WOW!!! Like with Xenon HIDs.
I really can't complain about the APCs, but they're not the WOW I'm looking for.
Keep posting the info. That's great stuff.
I appreciate the info and photograph link to you site. That Narva bulb looks real good.
I, like you, are looking for a better bulb. Less yellow, brigther, whiter light. Fog and snow, or atmospheric stuff that can impact the light pattern and the light dispersion, don't worry me. I live in an area where improved visibilty is the biggest concern. I'm looking for the closest thing to a true Xenon HID, without the added weight, complexity and cost. In a replacement bulb, I'm also looking for something that makes me say WOW!!! Like with Xenon HIDs.
I really can't complain about the APCs, but they're not the WOW I'm looking for.
Keep posting the info. That's great stuff.
| Peaty | 01-12-2003 03:07 PM |
Done finally:
H1 Headlamps
[url]http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=4305#post4305[/url]
H4 Headlamps:
[url]http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=4314#post4314[/url]
Backup bulbs:
[url]http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1244[/url]
While pursuing these links please let me know if things make sense. When I do this much editing in one sitting my grammar and spelling seems to suffer more than normal.
I'll update the pages after I drive around more at night and in the bad weather.
Cheers,
Peaty
H1 Headlamps
[url]http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=4305#post4305[/url]
H4 Headlamps:
[url]http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=4314#post4314[/url]
Backup bulbs:
[url]http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1244[/url]
While pursuing these links please let me know if things make sense. When I do this much editing in one sitting my grammar and spelling seems to suffer more than normal.
I'll update the pages after I drive around more at night and in the bad weather.
Cheers,
Peaty
| pagel | 01-12-2003 10:44 PM |
What about 9007's for us 2002+WRX's?
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Has anybody any comparisons on hotter 9007's? "Daniel Stern's Lighting" site says "no 9007 with higher wattage is safe!".
I believe this opinion is 2-3 years old. New materials and technologies can now produce much brighter, and safe, higher wattage bulbs with no harness danger.
Until about 2 years ago there was no USA demand for brighter 9007's because of US DOT specs, so no Companys bothered to develop them. I think that because more (formerly only sold in USA) LH drive Jap cars are being sold in other countries besides the USA, 9007 bulbs are becoming more world-wide. Drivers in overseas LH drive countries are expecting the same aftermarket performance from 9007's that they got from H-4's. Hence, new brighter 9007's.
I believe this opinion is 2-3 years old. New materials and technologies can now produce much brighter, and safe, higher wattage bulbs with no harness danger.
Until about 2 years ago there was no USA demand for brighter 9007's because of US DOT specs, so no Companys bothered to develop them. I think that because more (formerly only sold in USA) LH drive Jap cars are being sold in other countries besides the USA, 9007 bulbs are becoming more world-wide. Drivers in overseas LH drive countries are expecting the same aftermarket performance from 9007's that they got from H-4's. Hence, new brighter 9007's.
| gtguy | 01-13-2003 08:21 PM |
Okay, just got the Philips HiVisibility bulbs, and noticed something interesting. They're the biggest bulb. They are actually physically larger than any of the other bulb candidates. They're the same overall length, but the lamp is significantly more bulbous.
We'll see what the light output says, once it gets warm enough to futz around with light bulbs in these hyar parts...
Kevin
We'll see what the light output says, once it gets warm enough to futz around with light bulbs in these hyar parts...
Kevin
| gtguy | 01-14-2003 11:37 AM |
I took a closer look at the Philips bulbs. Man, I wish I could post pics. While the overall length is identical to the other bulbs, the Philips bulb is noticeably longer, and fatter than the other bulbs. It also has a different filament setup than the other 9007s, and the bulb itself is supported in a metal ring that sits above the holder as opposed to the other 9007s, where the bulb nestles down inside the holder/connector.
Can't wait for it to warm up.
Kevin
Can't wait for it to warm up.
Kevin
| Peaty | 01-14-2003 11:46 AM |
I'm guessing the base is like this:
[IMG]http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4300[/IMG]
VS this:
[IMG]http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4299[/IMG]
These are 9006 bulbs but you get the idea.
[IMG]http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4300[/IMG]
VS this:
[IMG]http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4299[/IMG]
These are 9006 bulbs but you get the idea.
| gtguy | 01-14-2003 12:57 PM |
Yes it is, Peaty... What's also interesting is that the 9006s, the Narva and the SilverStar, both have the same filament arrangement. This is true of every bulb that I have for the 9007 comparo, except for the Hi-Visibility, which also has a different filament arrangement.
Kevin
Kevin
| nhluhr | 01-14-2003 02:58 PM |
hurry up and get this comparo done. i want pics!
| Peaty | 01-14-2003 04:04 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy [/i]
[B]Yes it is, Peaty... What's also interesting is that the 9006s, the Narva and the SilverStar, both have the same filament arrangement. This is true of every bulb that I have for the 9007 comparo, except for the Hi-Visibility, which also has a different filament arrangement.
Kevin [/B][/QUOTE]
The fillimant orientation is the same in the Narva but the way it's held in is different if you look closely. The OEM one is similar to the SilverStar too.
as a side note: the rear bulbs I put in, the 1157/56 replacements blinker and brake/tail lamps, are brighter, supposed to be longer-lasting and have anticorrosion nickel-plated bases. I didn't do a page for these and the pics I took of the bulbs need to be redone as they came out too crappy :(
[B]Yes it is, Peaty... What's also interesting is that the 9006s, the Narva and the SilverStar, both have the same filament arrangement. This is true of every bulb that I have for the 9007 comparo, except for the Hi-Visibility, which also has a different filament arrangement.
Kevin [/B][/QUOTE]
The fillimant orientation is the same in the Narva but the way it's held in is different if you look closely. The OEM one is similar to the SilverStar too.
as a side note: the rear bulbs I put in, the 1157/56 replacements blinker and brake/tail lamps, are brighter, supposed to be longer-lasting and have anticorrosion nickel-plated bases. I didn't do a page for these and the pics I took of the bulbs need to be redone as they came out too crappy :(
| gjhsu | 01-14-2003 05:04 PM |
Woah, my Silverstars weren't tinted that much. :confused:
| Peaty | 01-14-2003 05:23 PM |
It's very hard to get a good pic of tinting. This pic looks lighter:
[IMG]http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4311[/IMG]
This is the H4 bulb. Maybe the glass is thinner or the tint is less because of the type. I'm not sure. Could just be lighting too.
[IMG]http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4311[/IMG]
This is the H4 bulb. Maybe the glass is thinner or the tint is less because of the type. I'm not sure. Could just be lighting too.
| driggity | 01-14-2003 05:47 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gjhsu [/i]
[B]Woah, my Silverstars weren't tinted that much. :confused: [/B][/QUOTE]
I've heard things about the quality control on the Silverstars being pretty bad and that it isn't too hard to find bulbs with different amounts of tint.
[B]Woah, my Silverstars weren't tinted that much. :confused: [/B][/QUOTE]
I've heard things about the quality control on the Silverstars being pretty bad and that it isn't too hard to find bulbs with different amounts of tint.
| JC | 01-14-2003 06:04 PM |
I wanna see some numbers. Up until now all I've heard is conjecture. Mr. Stern has a nice site, but really no facts to back up his opinions as far as I can tell. Not saying anyone is wrong, but until I see some numbers i'm happy with my Silverstars. They look good inside and outside of the car and as far as I can see provide more light than stock.
gtguy, I noticed you avoided the question of how you will be testing the bulbs. I assume you are just going to "eyeball" 'em instead of using a photometer? Not exactly a scientific manner, unless I'm wrong of course.
Peaty, you've got a great site and all, but pictures of non-illuminated bulbs next to each other hardly shows which one is brighter.
Rosco ReX Rox, APC = crap. I had some of their bulbs in my corners. They lasted all of a month before becoming a dull yellow. Yah for APC quality. I have PIAAs in there now, they are good so far.
JC
gtguy, I noticed you avoided the question of how you will be testing the bulbs. I assume you are just going to "eyeball" 'em instead of using a photometer? Not exactly a scientific manner, unless I'm wrong of course.
Peaty, you've got a great site and all, but pictures of non-illuminated bulbs next to each other hardly shows which one is brighter.
Rosco ReX Rox, APC = crap. I had some of their bulbs in my corners. They lasted all of a month before becoming a dull yellow. Yah for APC quality. I have PIAAs in there now, they are good so far.
JC
| gtguy | 01-14-2003 06:19 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by JC [/i]
[B]I wanna see some numbers. Up until now all I've heard is conjecture. Mr. Stern has a nice site, but really no facts to back up his opinions as far as I can tell. Not saying anyone is wrong, but until I see some numbers i'm happy with my Silverstars. They look good inside and outside of the car and as far as I can see provide more light than stock.
gtguy, I noticed you avoided the question of how you will be testing the bulbs. I assume you are just going to "eyeball" 'em instead of using a photometer? Not exactly a scientific manner, unless I'm wrong of course.JC [/B][/QUOTE]
The question got lost in the clutter, sorry. We are indeed going to go by useable light. Lacking a photometer, I don't know how else to do it, but the eye is rather reliable, IMHO. You can either see better, or you can't. It's worked with SilverStars vs VisionPlus, EuroLights vs stock, Prodrive stock vs Prodrives w/VisionPlus.
It's also dark enough in my neighborhood where blue tint stands out clear as day, so to speak, and there's a section of road that I don't know what they re-paved it with, but it just sucks up the light if there's any blue junk present. For instance, in the backyard, the SilverStars look bright as heck. You hit this stretch of road, and where the Prodrives give the white blanket, the SilverStars just look dim, about the same light output as stock.
I'd love to do a more scientific test, but you have to use what you have.
On another note, the test that I once posted a link to had actual numbers to a test done by a German auto magazine, that included PIAAs and SilverStars, but proper Osram SilverStars, and VisionPlus bulbs, etc. The PIAAs were -10%, the Osram SilverStars were about +10% IIRC, while in H4 configuration, the VisionPlus bulbs were +40% :eek:
If the SilverStars work for you, great. But while a shootout won't be definitive without a photometer, I think that we will be able to make some conclusions about things.
Kevin
[B]I wanna see some numbers. Up until now all I've heard is conjecture. Mr. Stern has a nice site, but really no facts to back up his opinions as far as I can tell. Not saying anyone is wrong, but until I see some numbers i'm happy with my Silverstars. They look good inside and outside of the car and as far as I can see provide more light than stock.
gtguy, I noticed you avoided the question of how you will be testing the bulbs. I assume you are just going to "eyeball" 'em instead of using a photometer? Not exactly a scientific manner, unless I'm wrong of course.JC [/B][/QUOTE]
The question got lost in the clutter, sorry. We are indeed going to go by useable light. Lacking a photometer, I don't know how else to do it, but the eye is rather reliable, IMHO. You can either see better, or you can't. It's worked with SilverStars vs VisionPlus, EuroLights vs stock, Prodrive stock vs Prodrives w/VisionPlus.
It's also dark enough in my neighborhood where blue tint stands out clear as day, so to speak, and there's a section of road that I don't know what they re-paved it with, but it just sucks up the light if there's any blue junk present. For instance, in the backyard, the SilverStars look bright as heck. You hit this stretch of road, and where the Prodrives give the white blanket, the SilverStars just look dim, about the same light output as stock.
I'd love to do a more scientific test, but you have to use what you have.
On another note, the test that I once posted a link to had actual numbers to a test done by a German auto magazine, that included PIAAs and SilverStars, but proper Osram SilverStars, and VisionPlus bulbs, etc. The PIAAs were -10%, the Osram SilverStars were about +10% IIRC, while in H4 configuration, the VisionPlus bulbs were +40% :eek:
If the SilverStars work for you, great. But while a shootout won't be definitive without a photometer, I think that we will be able to make some conclusions about things.
Kevin
| Peaty | 01-14-2003 06:47 PM |
[QUOTE]If the SilverStars work for you, great. But while a shootout won't be definitive without a photometer, I think that we will be able to make some conclusions about things.[/QUOTE]
I agree, the reason I didn't post pics is you really can't get a good pic of light w/ a digital camera. Too many factors to worry about. Even if I were able to get good pics your video card and monitor would be different than mine.
I have to defer to Daniel Stern for a few reasons. I've been following his site now for going on at least 5 years. We've exchanged e-mails a few times over the past few years. I've done some research of my own and what he has on his site seems to checks out. Plus, he is a lighting consultant to the industry. When I was e-mailing him the other week he was just on his way to some convention:
Cut and Paste:
"Cool! I'm scrambling here, about to leave on road trip to DC for Federal Transportation Research Board annual convention, I'm on the Visibility Committee. Whee!"
Granted this dosen't prove anything but I really don't think he's blowing smoke up our tailpipes. His prices seem fair too.
I've been doing some re-reading of my information on the eye and vision too regarding color and night vision. I'm not an ophthalmologist only a biologist so I haven't attempted to comment on this aspect. (one thing for sure if you want to see better at night wear some good sunglasses during the day, that's a fact) I do have friends in the field though and need to ask them some questions I have around this subject.
A lot of stuff is marketing when it comes to bulbs. 50% brighter maybe but there are lots of things to consider when they put that out there. There are regulations as to how bright bulbs be within a range so there is some wiggle room but not a ton.
I agree, the reason I didn't post pics is you really can't get a good pic of light w/ a digital camera. Too many factors to worry about. Even if I were able to get good pics your video card and monitor would be different than mine.
I have to defer to Daniel Stern for a few reasons. I've been following his site now for going on at least 5 years. We've exchanged e-mails a few times over the past few years. I've done some research of my own and what he has on his site seems to checks out. Plus, he is a lighting consultant to the industry. When I was e-mailing him the other week he was just on his way to some convention:
Cut and Paste:
"Cool! I'm scrambling here, about to leave on road trip to DC for Federal Transportation Research Board annual convention, I'm on the Visibility Committee. Whee!"
Granted this dosen't prove anything but I really don't think he's blowing smoke up our tailpipes. His prices seem fair too.
I've been doing some re-reading of my information on the eye and vision too regarding color and night vision. I'm not an ophthalmologist only a biologist so I haven't attempted to comment on this aspect. (one thing for sure if you want to see better at night wear some good sunglasses during the day, that's a fact) I do have friends in the field though and need to ask them some questions I have around this subject.
A lot of stuff is marketing when it comes to bulbs. 50% brighter maybe but there are lots of things to consider when they put that out there. There are regulations as to how bright bulbs be within a range so there is some wiggle room but not a ton.
| Ken Levin | 01-14-2003 06:55 PM |
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I have tried all three domestic Sylvania plug-in 9007 bulbs. The OEMs that came with the car were by Sylvania. The SilverStars I replaced them with were brighter, but not much of an improvement, especially for distance. The XtraVisions were only $20 and there were some advocates among the webbies, so I tried them. Perhaps a bit brighter than the SSs, not much help either for distance, and a bit better in the rain. (The SSs do, indeed, seem to scatter the light in rain or fog.)
D. Stern predicted as much. As he and others have maintainned: "it's the reflector stupid". (Not a direct quote.) The diffuser probably has some responsibility here as well.
There you have my unscientific .02.
The question for me is whether a $500 headlight upgrade is worth it. I know that's minimal and could go as high as $1500. :eek:
Happy Motoring
D. Stern predicted as much. As he and others have maintainned: "it's the reflector stupid". (Not a direct quote.) The diffuser probably has some responsibility here as well.
There you have my unscientific .02.
The question for me is whether a $500 headlight upgrade is worth it. I know that's minimal and could go as high as $1500. :eek:
Happy Motoring
| NeoteriX | 01-14-2003 07:03 PM |
This may be a way to be slightly more scientific. Maybe this would work: If you parked a car in front of a garage wall or something and kept it in the same spot for the duration of testing. Then you stuck a tripod and digital camera beside the car or something. Turn off the flash. Keep everything consistent besides the headlights. Then maybe we could take the photos and look at them in photoshop like use a particular point in the light pattern and find the "luminance" at that point -- photoshop will tell you that. It wouldn't be exact, but you could relatively compare the luminances.
This idea is riddled with possibilities of not being accurate, but this is a suggestion.
This idea is riddled with possibilities of not being accurate, but this is a suggestion.
| monovich | 01-14-2003 08:35 PM |
a digital pic won't have enough dynamic range to be able to sample off of, but it's a nice idea.
| Peaty | 01-15-2003 10:19 PM |
Another good site on lighting:
[url]http://faq.auto.light.tripod.com/headlamp-faq.htm[/url]
[url]http://faq.auto.light.tripod.com/headlamp-faq.htm[/url]
| Karl | 01-16-2003 09:54 AM |
Hey Peaty,
Where did you buy the H1 lights? From Daniel Stern? I wrote him a couple of days ago but have not got a reply back yet. Do you know of any other place that sells the bulbs within coninental US?
Where did you buy the H1 lights? From Daniel Stern? I wrote him a couple of days ago but have not got a reply back yet. Do you know of any other place that sells the bulbs within coninental US?
| Peaty | 01-16-2003 10:00 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Karl [/i]
[B]Hey Peaty,
Where did you buy the H1 lights? From Daniel Stern? I wrote him a couple of days ago but have not got a reply back yet. Do you know of any other place that sells the bulbs within coninental US? [/B][/QUOTE]
Yes I got them from him. He was traveling this week to a Federal Transportation Research Board annual convention, he's on the "Visibility Committee" Whatever that is. I'm sure he'll reply when he gets back. In the last link I posted there are a few links to his and other sites that have them though.
Peaty
[B]Hey Peaty,
Where did you buy the H1 lights? From Daniel Stern? I wrote him a couple of days ago but have not got a reply back yet. Do you know of any other place that sells the bulbs within coninental US? [/B][/QUOTE]
Yes I got them from him. He was traveling this week to a Federal Transportation Research Board annual convention, he's on the "Visibility Committee" Whatever that is. I'm sure he'll reply when he gets back. In the last link I posted there are a few links to his and other sites that have them though.
Peaty
| snoopydoo | 01-17-2003 07:34 PM |
fwiw: I just replaced my stock 03 Forester H4s ("Osram H4 L") with Sylvania Osram XV Xtravision H4s "30% brighter" from Autozone.
I installed one and turned on the lights. In the dark there is a definite difference in apparent brightness between new/old. On the road with both installed the beam pattern is also slightly different as well, with a more useful spread and more light where I want it. I think they were definitely worth the $20 I paid for them. $10/ea, no funky blue tint, just more light.
I installed one and turned on the lights. In the dark there is a definite difference in apparent brightness between new/old. On the road with both installed the beam pattern is also slightly different as well, with a more useful spread and more light where I want it. I think they were definitely worth the $20 I paid for them. $10/ea, no funky blue tint, just more light.
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