| love4awd | 10-01-2002 09:56 PM |
Hydrolics in my REX
what do you all think about putting hydros in a wrx. i want to get a body kit and don't want to bottom out, so if i get hydros it will be all better. what do you think?
| froggert | 10-01-2002 10:17 PM |
are you trying to get it to bounce? or to be able to just go up and down at red lights and stuff?
| Burnout | 10-01-2002 10:21 PM |
How low do you want to go? If you don't care about dropping it on the fly you could opt for a nice set of coilovers, some give a good 2.5in. drop while keeping good handling. If you want to slam it then yeh hydro's would probably be best.
| wrxtuner02 | 10-01-2002 10:28 PM |
IMHO I wouldn't put hydraulics on any all wheel drive car. Your going to change the suspension geometry so drastically that 1) you can't hold alighment 2)your going to throw the driveshaft and halfshaft angles all out of whack and 3) if you do any serious 3-wheeling or dog legs you run the chance of bending the unibody.
I speak from experience. i have a 1992 accord with hydraulics. yeah it's fun but not practical for an everyday driver unless you get accumulators. if you really want adjustable suspension, look into some air struts or cylinders. [B]BUT I'm warning you, if you bag it you will loose all performance of the suspension[/B] Having owned a bagged and a hydro vehicle, i wouldn't recommend it for a daily driver, and def. not a awd
I speak from experience. i have a 1992 accord with hydraulics. yeah it's fun but not practical for an everyday driver unless you get accumulators. if you really want adjustable suspension, look into some air struts or cylinders. [B]BUT I'm warning you, if you bag it you will loose all performance of the suspension[/B] Having owned a bagged and a hydro vehicle, i wouldn't recommend it for a daily driver, and def. not a awd
| RidinLow | 10-01-2002 10:37 PM |
3 wheeling might be a bitch because the open diff would give you a wildly spinning front wheel! And what's the point of hydraulics if you can't cruise on 3 wheels? :confused: :cool:
| 128d | 10-01-2002 11:08 PM |
I too have been looking into this. I ame not intrested in bouncing and such. I just want to be able to raise and lower my car from the inside. I am not sure but I believe Tein make air shocks like this.
| exhondaguy | 10-02-2002 02:06 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by 128d [/i]
[B]I too have been looking into this. I ame not intrested in bouncing and such. I just want to be able to raise and lower my car from the inside. I am not sure but I believe Tein make air shocks like this. [/B][/QUOTE]
tein's edfc adjust damping force from inside the cockpit not height
[B]I too have been looking into this. I ame not intrested in bouncing and such. I just want to be able to raise and lower my car from the inside. I am not sure but I believe Tein make air shocks like this. [/B][/QUOTE]
tein's edfc adjust damping force from inside the cockpit not height
| Scubaru | 10-02-2002 02:09 AM |
IF I was doing it........
All I have to say is........[SIZE=3]AIR STRUTS!!!![/SIZE]
Go here (hope it works): [url]http://www.truckn-store.com/product.asp?returnURL=default.asp&ID=19099[/url]
-Scu.
Go here (hope it works): [url]http://www.truckn-store.com/product.asp?returnURL=default.asp&ID=19099[/url]
-Scu.
| Code-7 | 10-02-2002 04:51 AM |
Your solution?
Buy a different car.
Buy a different car.
| love4awd | 10-02-2002 09:08 AM |
All i would want to do is to rise and lower my car. no dog legs or anything. if i can rise my car i cant bottom out.[SIZE=3]All i would want to do is to rise and lower my car. no dog legs or anything. if i can rise my car i cant bottom out.[/SIZE]
| DragII | 10-02-2002 10:26 AM |
:(
| 128d | 10-02-2002 11:18 AM |
Thanks for pointing that out Versus.
| dirk dig | 10-02-2002 12:59 PM |
Should have got a 64 impalla :lol:
| lagnwagn | 10-02-2002 01:48 PM |
Actually, Early 90's Legacy Wagons had a factory suspension option, that allowed you to raise the car 3 inches with the push of a button. it was very usefull in deep snow. my friend had one, it was great. I don't kow if they still offer this feature , I don't think they do, but Subaru has the technology, might want to check into some old parts or something, I think it was a '93 that my friend had.
| PsiRRizzed247 | 10-02-2002 01:51 PM |
dont do it! :eek:
Especially not to this vehicle!
my .02
peace out!:devil:
Especially not to this vehicle!
my .02
peace out!:devil:
| Andrew | 10-02-2002 01:54 PM |
what you are looking for is commonly called "Air Bags"
i dont have any info on them though.
actually there is some information i can give you, it will be custom and probably expensive. there is no demand for air bags for subarus so i highly doubt they have them already made for you. so... it will have to be custom made for your car, which like i said, can be $$$.
i dont have any info on them though.
actually there is some information i can give you, it will be custom and probably expensive. there is no demand for air bags for subarus so i highly doubt they have them already made for you. so... it will have to be custom made for your car, which like i said, can be $$$.
| ytlitng | 10-02-2002 03:40 PM |
NO NO NO NO NO, never put Hydrolics on a Subie. Hydros are for ghetos rides, it looks o.k. on certain rides, but not on a subie. If you are getting a body kit, just get coil overs, you can adjust you height just perfectly. But No HYDROS!!!!! just my opinion though.
| love4awd | 10-02-2002 04:20 PM |
thank you for all your help
| decibel_dj | 10-02-2002 05:00 PM |
if you must get an adjustable system dont get a bagged system
in the winter months its harder to keep the bags inflated and you'll have all kinds of problems. cylinders are the way to go. with that you can wire the system where you have a switch to raise the whole car and 1 to pancake it w/o worrying about if the car is level since all 4 cylinders will raise/fall together
in the winter months its harder to keep the bags inflated and you'll have all kinds of problems. cylinders are the way to go. with that you can wire the system where you have a switch to raise the whole car and 1 to pancake it w/o worrying about if the car is level since all 4 cylinders will raise/fall together
| Ezmendriz | 10-02-2002 08:29 PM |
I got a link
In this link you can get air struts for the Impreza. I dont know if they are good or not. But there they are at $500 by axle.
[URL=http://www.truckn-store.com/product.asp?returnURL=default.asp&ID=17823]Just air Struts Impreza 1993 - 2003 [/URL]
Ezmendriz
[URL=http://www.truckn-store.com/product.asp?returnURL=default.asp&ID=17823]Just air Struts Impreza 1993 - 2003 [/URL]
Ezmendriz
| clamdip | 10-02-2002 08:34 PM |
uhhhhhh, WRX is a RALLY CAR/RACE CAR and not a LOW RIDER. Please don't change what it actually is, keep it real.
| Andrew | 10-02-2002 10:05 PM |
the WRX isnt a RALLY CAR its a car.
let the man do what he wants.
let the man do what he wants.
| clamdip | 10-02-2002 10:44 PM |
duh, i know a WRX is a car and a LOW RIDER (things with hydrolics, usually) is a car and things with 4 wheels that most people use to go to work everyday or whatever, are cars, but HELLO! the TYPE of car that the WRX is, is a RALLY CAR (made to run on a track, preferrably on dirt tracks). just one question if it wasn't a rally car, then why would it have AWD (all-wheel drive)? i'm just curious, more traction maybe, i don't know. let me see, hydrolics=defeating purpose of the WRX. and secondly, quite frankly andrew, i don't care what anybody does to their car, it's up to them what they want. i just don't see the sense in putting hydrolics in a rally car. can you help me see the point? just asking.
| Andrew | 10-02-2002 11:20 PM |
well crap! i guess then the Dodge Caravans that are AWD are rally vans!
| clamdip | 10-03-2002 12:08 AM |
well crap! Dodge CaraVAN, seems like a VAN to me. I think there's a slight difference between a "CAR" and a "VAN". well crap i guess trucks since they're 4WD or AWD however you want to put it, i guess they're considered "rally trucks" then right? i don't know man, you've got to figure something out, you're a bit off the subject. just a thought.
| Andrew | 10-03-2002 12:34 AM |
well you asked, why did they put AWD in the wrx if it wasnt a RALLY CAR. so i had to think about it....hmm....why would they put AWD in a minivan or a truck or a sporty car if there wasnt a rally car before it? GASP! There MUST be rally vans, trucks, cars out!
the purpose of a wrx is to go from point A to point B, its a car. putting on bags wont defeat that purpose. if YOUR purpose is to go fast and handle like crazy, then bags is not made for you nor do they belong on your car. hydros defeat AWD? um...thats funny... i didnt know putting on a certain suspension piece changes which wheels get power. the car will still be AWD even with hydros. it will not handle as well as possible, but it will still have traction and it will still have awd.
maybe love4awd doenst want to go to an autox, rallyx, or to the track? maybe he just wants to look cool?
the purpose of a wrx is to go from point A to point B, its a car. putting on bags wont defeat that purpose. if YOUR purpose is to go fast and handle like crazy, then bags is not made for you nor do they belong on your car. hydros defeat AWD? um...thats funny... i didnt know putting on a certain suspension piece changes which wheels get power. the car will still be AWD even with hydros. it will not handle as well as possible, but it will still have traction and it will still have awd.
maybe love4awd doenst want to go to an autox, rallyx, or to the track? maybe he just wants to look cool?
| 128d | 10-03-2002 02:49 AM |
Okay I don't usaily loose my temper but I did know this is a "rally car" but I did not intend on running it on a dirt track. clamdip when was the last time you ran your car on a dirt track? I like the look of a lowered car but I don't want the side effects. I like air shocks and I dont believer there will be that much of a compromise with these. Even if there is I doubt all subaru owners bought the car the for the way it handles. If people want them they will get them. Its one thing to give an openion but its another to force it on someone.
rant mode off
:D
P.S. Andrew you hit it right on the head.
rant mode off
:D
P.S. Andrew you hit it right on the head.
| Scubaru | 10-03-2002 02:50 AM |
To everyone and no one..........
[QUOTE][B]......maybe he just wants to look cool? [/B][/QUOTE]
What's wrong with that?
Isn't that why guys put wings on their car?
Or Volk/Speedline/Prodrive/any brand wheels on their car?
Or complete Syms/P1/Sti/Prova/C-West/Zerosport/etc body kits on their car?
Or Sti/Tein/Groundcontrol/Cusco/JIC suspension on their car?
People can cry performance, performance, performance, all they want. The fact is they want their car looking "cooler" too.
Just like me:) ............and love4awd;) .
Just my 2-Scu.
What's wrong with that?
Isn't that why guys put wings on their car?
Or Volk/Speedline/Prodrive/any brand wheels on their car?
Or complete Syms/P1/Sti/Prova/C-West/Zerosport/etc body kits on their car?
Or Sti/Tein/Groundcontrol/Cusco/JIC suspension on their car?
People can cry performance, performance, performance, all they want. The fact is they want their car looking "cooler" too.
Just like me:) ............and love4awd;) .
Just my 2-Scu.
| Satellite | 10-03-2002 03:24 AM |
love4awd: I am totally behind you under certain circumstances. Those being you looked into this and realize any mechanical ramnifications (it isn't going to bust your car up) and you want to do it. I like what wrxtuner02 said "1) you can't hold alighment 2)your going to throw the driveshaft and halfshaft angles all out of whack." He speaks from truth. If you use them for what you say you are going to use them, and keeping the car in PARK when you do it I personally see no problem with this. It'll be a nice compliment to a body kit and other things you do to the car if you can drop it to the ground w/out having to get out and screw the car down with a tool. Before you lose your temper with some of these guys you have to realize one thing, these are Subaru owners and hardcore, most of them have been Subaru owners for 3 cars now and the image they have of Subaru is a dependable car with the AWD being designed for handling. They, in general, don't particularly embrace anything that conjurs up the conotation of "rice." I know where you are coming from. I own a 95 Subaru Legacy, over in that forum it's all about power and functionality. I rarely venture out of that forum though becasue they do have one thing, they don't jump down each others throats, it's very mature over there. Anywho, where i was going was that I am an 18 y/o kid who owns a family sedan. Most other Legacy owners don't look at the car the same way as I do. I'm looking at it as a car that is different from others. I won't be driving another Honda around, it'll be different.. I want people to see the car and ask what it is because they haven't seen a Legacy with 17's, dropped, body kit, and neons. I see where you are coming from. If you realize the negative effects of the hydros and the benefits to you personally outway them and you are prepared to deal with the negative effects, then by all means get them, because after all.. you'll be driving the car, not the people telling you not to do it. You're the one that has to be happy driving it. It's your car man, have fun with it ;)
| Kostamojen | 10-03-2002 04:42 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by lagnwagn [/i]
[B]Actually, Early 90's Legacy Wagons had a factory suspension option, that allowed you to raise the car 3 inches with the push of a button. it was very usefull in deep snow. my friend had one, it was great. I don't kow if they still offer this feature , I don't think they do, but Subaru has the technology, might want to check into some old parts or something, I think it was a '93 that my friend had. [/B][/QUOTE]
Me and StankfootZ saw that on an old legacy... Its rear end was all the way up and we were like "***!?!?!?" I guess that was why :p
[B]Actually, Early 90's Legacy Wagons had a factory suspension option, that allowed you to raise the car 3 inches with the push of a button. it was very usefull in deep snow. my friend had one, it was great. I don't kow if they still offer this feature , I don't think they do, but Subaru has the technology, might want to check into some old parts or something, I think it was a '93 that my friend had. [/B][/QUOTE]
Me and StankfootZ saw that on an old legacy... Its rear end was all the way up and we were like "***!?!?!?" I guess that was why :p
| Kostamojen | 10-03-2002 04:44 AM |
Oh, and just get a coilover suspension. Height adjustment is more complicated, but they are alot cheaper and you would be surprized how little you actually need to change the height of the suspension once you figure out what a good height is for you...
| clamdip | 10-03-2002 07:37 AM |
okay first of all, i didn't say that changing the suspension will make the car LOOSE the AWD, also, i said it defeats the purpose of the WRX (the car as a whole) not the AWD, what are you talking about? i think you're a bit confused. also, i didn't know putting on a certain suspension piece changes which wheels get power, where did you get that information from, i'm curious? i think you discovered something new. and yes i know that when putting on hydros you won't loose the AWD, didn't say that you would. and secondly, like i said before, i doesn't bother me as to what people do to their car, but i'm simply trying to state the fact that putting hydrolics on a car like the WRX would simply make it a miserable car to drive. i bet we can all agree that the WRX is a fun car to drive because of what, the power, the handling, etc. i can honestly say that coil-overs make the car a lot more comfortable to drive and it looks good. and you'll be increasing the handling at the same time. as for hydrolics, it just makes the car much more bumpy and uncomfortable. i've ridden in my friends car with hydrolics, and let me tell you, it sucked, ask anybody. but as i said before and i'll say it again, if you like it and want to do it, by all means, power to you. but i'm just sharing my honest opinion, isn't this what this forum is for. i don't know about some people here, they blow things up to an extent. it's kinda funny. also, the WRX is a japanese car not an impala or monte carlo. just a thought. not FORCING anything.
| love4awd | 10-03-2002 08:34 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by wrxtuner02 [/i]
[B]IMHO I wouldn't put hydraulics on any all wheel drive car. Your going to change the suspension geometry so drastically that 1) you can't hold alighment 2)your going to throw the driveshaft and halfshaft angles all out of whack and 3) if you do any serious 3-wheeling or dog legs you run the chance of bending the unibody.[/B][/QUOTE]
If you just have your car go up or down in one motion if will not effect your alighment or fu*K up your driveshaft.[SIZE=3] I went to the local Hydro shop and they told me that they just finished working on a [SIZE=4]GC8 [/SIZE] a week ago[/SIZE]
[B]IMHO I wouldn't put hydraulics on any all wheel drive car. Your going to change the suspension geometry so drastically that 1) you can't hold alighment 2)your going to throw the driveshaft and halfshaft angles all out of whack and 3) if you do any serious 3-wheeling or dog legs you run the chance of bending the unibody.[/B][/QUOTE]
If you just have your car go up or down in one motion if will not effect your alighment or fu*K up your driveshaft.[SIZE=3] I went to the local Hydro shop and they told me that they just finished working on a [SIZE=4]GC8 [/SIZE] a week ago[/SIZE]
| froggert | 10-03-2002 10:03 AM |
cool. was that hydro shop in long island? i'd love to stop by sometime and check it out..
| love4awd | 10-03-2002 11:10 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by froggert [/i]
[B]cool. was that hydro shop in long island? i'd love to stop by sometime and check it out.. [/B][/QUOTE]
it is in brooklyn. on utica ave
[B]cool. was that hydro shop in long island? i'd love to stop by sometime and check it out.. [/B][/QUOTE]
it is in brooklyn. on utica ave
| Danny5 | 10-03-2002 12:32 PM |
[quote]the WRX is a japanese car not an impala or monte carlo[/quote]
HA HA HA. I can't believe that we aren't above stereotypes these days. If its not people being prejudice for race, its people being prejudice for the type of car you drive, or in this case, the type of modifications you want to do. Clamdip should be embarrased that he ever typed such words on a screen.
Stating that the WRX is only a rally car is also being stereotypical. Try to break out of your box, and take the car in new directions. I did it with my Impreza, and if I had a dime for every time someone bashed chrome rims on this forum, I would be a rich person. But they don't laugh at my chrome rims. Nobody will give you **** for juicing a WRX either, as long as you do it right.
Its big money though. I hope you do have big money, because if you don't, you might as well get some coil overs and call it a day. If you don't have the money to do it right, then don't even bother. How much are we talking???
At least $3k.
What you want is a 1 pump, 2-3 battery setup. I am not an expert on hydraulics, but I know people who are, and I have driven their cars. Some of the information here is very true. The guy with accord talking about unibody flexing, that is very true. You do have one HUGE advantage over the Accord though (besides being a Subaru :p) and that is the WRX is about 10 times stiffer, so flex will be less of an issue.
Make sure you get accumulators!!! My buddy's civic had accumulators in it, and depending upon how they are set up, you can either be cadillac soft, or race car stiff. Accumulators allow the hydraulic cylinder to act like an air shock, with just about any compression and rebound rate you want. Old School spring in cup suspension (the kind you see on those Impalas) are made for HOPPING, and not for what you are looking for.
Also, take it to a shop that will hard line! Hard lines are very important because they don't fail! Full rubber hose setups are very prone to failure!
Last, but not least, once you put hyrdraulics (or airbags) into a car, you are not allowed to take it on any track (although you might be allowed on a drag strip)
There you have it. If you have more questions, I can point you to some extremely knowledgable people that know how to setup street style hydraulics.
-Danny
HA HA HA. I can't believe that we aren't above stereotypes these days. If its not people being prejudice for race, its people being prejudice for the type of car you drive, or in this case, the type of modifications you want to do. Clamdip should be embarrased that he ever typed such words on a screen.
Stating that the WRX is only a rally car is also being stereotypical. Try to break out of your box, and take the car in new directions. I did it with my Impreza, and if I had a dime for every time someone bashed chrome rims on this forum, I would be a rich person. But they don't laugh at my chrome rims. Nobody will give you **** for juicing a WRX either, as long as you do it right.
Its big money though. I hope you do have big money, because if you don't, you might as well get some coil overs and call it a day. If you don't have the money to do it right, then don't even bother. How much are we talking???
At least $3k.
What you want is a 1 pump, 2-3 battery setup. I am not an expert on hydraulics, but I know people who are, and I have driven their cars. Some of the information here is very true. The guy with accord talking about unibody flexing, that is very true. You do have one HUGE advantage over the Accord though (besides being a Subaru :p) and that is the WRX is about 10 times stiffer, so flex will be less of an issue.
Make sure you get accumulators!!! My buddy's civic had accumulators in it, and depending upon how they are set up, you can either be cadillac soft, or race car stiff. Accumulators allow the hydraulic cylinder to act like an air shock, with just about any compression and rebound rate you want. Old School spring in cup suspension (the kind you see on those Impalas) are made for HOPPING, and not for what you are looking for.
Also, take it to a shop that will hard line! Hard lines are very important because they don't fail! Full rubber hose setups are very prone to failure!
Last, but not least, once you put hyrdraulics (or airbags) into a car, you are not allowed to take it on any track (although you might be allowed on a drag strip)
There you have it. If you have more questions, I can point you to some extremely knowledgable people that know how to setup street style hydraulics.
-Danny
| BOY | 10-03-2002 02:10 PM |
Dany, right on about the stereotyping... however IMO (and my opinion alone) hydraulics are just plain cheesy. Now, it sounds like we're trying to get the best of both worlds here, decent streetable ride height but the ability to show off and drop the car too. Realistically, you're not going to beat a set of Ground Controls for the price but to do a decent handling well behaved airbag setup you'll be looking at full-up race coilover prices. Man, do what you want-- its your car. Personally I think you're blowing you cash in the wrong place and think you'll be sorry but its more than possible and its YOUR DECISION.
| lagnwagn | 10-03-2002 02:19 PM |
well, actually, I've heard of a lot of people complaining that they can't get a body kit becasue they park in a parking garage, with extreme angles and such, or they have a kit and scrape all the time, etc... I think a lift of some type would be very useful for situations like this, if you needed a little lift to get over something. As long as it didnt affect to suspension performance. But whetther or not that is possible is the question.
And Kostamojen, those Legacy lifts like the one you saw, had problems every once in a while, haha, the one you saw probably had a leaky front bag or something, thats why it was all raked forward:lol:
And Kostamojen, those Legacy lifts like the one you saw, had problems every once in a while, haha, the one you saw probably had a leaky front bag or something, thats why it was all raked forward:lol:
| is2scooby | 10-03-2002 06:06 PM |
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| GDub | 10-03-2002 08:55 PM |
HAAAAAA tweed the interior and throw some 12" gold daytons on it to while your at it.:lol:
| 128d | 10-03-2002 11:02 PM |
DannyAtWork nicely put, but I have one queston. My friend had a GTI and he did alot of Auto X and he had hyrdraulics. When you said [B]"once you put hyrdraulics (or airbags) into a car, you are not allowed to take it on any track "[/B] what kind of track were you talking about?
| Keisatsu | 10-03-2002 11:44 PM |
[QUOTE]the WRX isnt a RALLY CAR its a car.[/QUOTE]
damn straight!
I was at a car show several months back (New Dimensions put it on at Moffet Field, it kicked ass!) and there was this audi wagon with hydros of some sort, I dunno I didnt have time to look at it a lot (I was parking cars) But it JUST raised straight up and down, for more or less clearance.... i think it won in its class
damn straight!
I was at a car show several months back (New Dimensions put it on at Moffet Field, it kicked ass!) and there was this audi wagon with hydros of some sort, I dunno I didnt have time to look at it a lot (I was parking cars) But it JUST raised straight up and down, for more or less clearance.... i think it won in its class
| clamdip | 10-04-2002 01:19 AM |
well, isn't everything that is said and done now days a stereotype. just because someone has an opinion about something or states an accepted fact about something, it's a stereotype. you've got to read between the lines. all i'm saying is that the purpose that subaru designed the wrx was basically for rallying and racing, not making it into something it's not. how do you think the designers of this car will look at the situation, maybe that's why we never get the good cars because basically we don't know what to do with them. i honestly give props to the guy that wants to try out something new, hey man, power to you. i'm not trying to change his mind or anything, however, i am trying to help him see what he's going to do to his car and the possible consequences that may follow. it is true that hydros are cheesy, and i couldn't agree more. it is impossible to get the best of both worlds. also, i didn't say that the wrx is only a rally car, i said that subaru made it for the rally enthusiasts, basically having a purpose for being built, is that saying that it is only a "RALLY CAR"? you have to read between the lines there. and that's where we go back to where we started from and round and round we go.
| Evil Imports | 10-04-2002 01:34 AM |
but i am sure if you take the car in the dirt and have some fun (did it when i first got it) and something goes wrong with the car, subaru will tell you they are not goin to fix it because of what you were doin with the car (having fun in dirt-rally car)
| Evil Imports | 10-04-2002 01:39 AM |
and if anyone does find a good air ride kit that is made for the car, please let me know, my exhaust hit the ground going into my driveway, (not even that steep)
i talked to one of the guys at air ride technology when i was at Nopi and he said they might make a kit for it by spring, anyway whatever
i talked to one of the guys at air ride technology when i was at Nopi and he said they might make a kit for it by spring, anyway whatever
| ChicksDigWagons | 10-04-2002 01:46 AM |
Alright guys, lets drop all the bull dung about your opinions about how "Ghetto" or "Ricey" or whatever this guys ideas are. He wants a height adjustable suspension. Something like the Audi Quattro AllRoad. You mean to tell me THATs a ghetto ride? Didn't think so.
It's purely functional. With a properly setup air strut (cylinder, NOT bags, bags have alot of compliance for performance driving) system, you can have some good USEFUL features.
Adjustable Ride height.
Yes, you alignment does change at different heights. What would be ideal would be to setup your suspension with a medium/low everyday driving/cruising/track height, have it aligned at that height and be fine. When you have to turn into a steep ramp, or go through a snow-bank, or take the car on a rutted two-track, etc. You can raise up the suspension, and the mis-alignment won't adversely effect anything as long as you aren't blasting down the twisties at the full height. Also, when you come upto a HIGH curb, you can raise it up for your passenger to get out so they don't bust your door. And then you can slam it down when you're parked for that sweet "in the weeds look"
Adjustable Spring Rate.
By using a two chamber cylinder, you can change the spring rate by changing the pressure in both sides of the cylinder. And by changing the ratio between the sides you change the height. Or for a less complicated system, you setup air-accumulators (a good idea for good ride anyway) but install solenoids that allow you to block off the accumulator, which would instantly stiffen up the suspension.
The problems with Air cylinders.
It's hard to adapt a damping shock to them. Most air cylinder systems replace the entire upper strut (like a Koni cartridge) and thus it's hard to properly dial in the suspension and it will be bouncy. I don't think it would be hard to develop a cylinder with a hollow core that the strut would pass through, but it would cost a fortune more than the system would cost to begin with.
If you are not too concerned with high-performance driving, try airstruts with bags. Not TOO expensive to get into, and would provide the height adjustment you want. Problem is, the lower you go, the softer the spring-rate...kinda bass ackwards. Good luck with your ride!!!
-Brad
Also, check out [url]http://www.kmwperformance.com/[/url] for air ride kits for the Imprezas.
It's purely functional. With a properly setup air strut (cylinder, NOT bags, bags have alot of compliance for performance driving) system, you can have some good USEFUL features.
Adjustable Ride height.
Yes, you alignment does change at different heights. What would be ideal would be to setup your suspension with a medium/low everyday driving/cruising/track height, have it aligned at that height and be fine. When you have to turn into a steep ramp, or go through a snow-bank, or take the car on a rutted two-track, etc. You can raise up the suspension, and the mis-alignment won't adversely effect anything as long as you aren't blasting down the twisties at the full height. Also, when you come upto a HIGH curb, you can raise it up for your passenger to get out so they don't bust your door. And then you can slam it down when you're parked for that sweet "in the weeds look"
Adjustable Spring Rate.
By using a two chamber cylinder, you can change the spring rate by changing the pressure in both sides of the cylinder. And by changing the ratio between the sides you change the height. Or for a less complicated system, you setup air-accumulators (a good idea for good ride anyway) but install solenoids that allow you to block off the accumulator, which would instantly stiffen up the suspension.
The problems with Air cylinders.
It's hard to adapt a damping shock to them. Most air cylinder systems replace the entire upper strut (like a Koni cartridge) and thus it's hard to properly dial in the suspension and it will be bouncy. I don't think it would be hard to develop a cylinder with a hollow core that the strut would pass through, but it would cost a fortune more than the system would cost to begin with.
If you are not too concerned with high-performance driving, try airstruts with bags. Not TOO expensive to get into, and would provide the height adjustment you want. Problem is, the lower you go, the softer the spring-rate...kinda bass ackwards. Good luck with your ride!!!
-Brad
Also, check out [url]http://www.kmwperformance.com/[/url] for air ride kits for the Imprezas.
| ImpreziveWRX | 10-04-2002 01:56 AM |
I didn't bother to read the whole thread
My opinion is not putting hydro in your rex
Yes, race teams use rex for rally and all that, and most of us probably just use it to drive from point A to point B
Don't mind about AWD and all that stuff
Adding hydrolic system probably woun't affect your AWD system anyways... But it will messed up tyour camber, ride, capacity of loads, capacity of handeling, body roll, and most important, your safty
I "PERSONALLY" think adding those bags or cheap fake coil over system to rex is stupid
I don't mean to be mean to anyone, its just like adding altezza light... Altezza light totally damaged your rex's look, but some people love it~ Same as hydrolic system... It messed up your car but people just like it for showing off
BTW, adding hydro to your rex you probably woun't get from point A to point B all the time...What happend to the purpose of a CAR???
My opinion is not putting hydro in your rex
Yes, race teams use rex for rally and all that, and most of us probably just use it to drive from point A to point B
Don't mind about AWD and all that stuff
Adding hydrolic system probably woun't affect your AWD system anyways... But it will messed up tyour camber, ride, capacity of loads, capacity of handeling, body roll, and most important, your safty
I "PERSONALLY" think adding those bags or cheap fake coil over system to rex is stupid
I don't mean to be mean to anyone, its just like adding altezza light... Altezza light totally damaged your rex's look, but some people love it~ Same as hydrolic system... It messed up your car but people just like it for showing off
BTW, adding hydro to your rex you probably woun't get from point A to point B all the time...What happend to the purpose of a CAR???
| Danny5 | 10-04-2002 01:59 AM |
[quote]what kind of track were you talking about?[/quote]
Most tracks outlaw hydraulic suspensions because they can potentially blow and dump a LOT of oil on the track. There are no rules prohibiting you from running a hydraulic equipped vehicle at a Solo2 event, but they should bump you to an unlimited class for changing suspension points and geometry (from the rule book)
Besides, why would anyone want to race while lugging an extra 200lbs in batteries around - heh
:)
-Danny
Most tracks outlaw hydraulic suspensions because they can potentially blow and dump a LOT of oil on the track. There are no rules prohibiting you from running a hydraulic equipped vehicle at a Solo2 event, but they should bump you to an unlimited class for changing suspension points and geometry (from the rule book)
Besides, why would anyone want to race while lugging an extra 200lbs in batteries around - heh
:)
-Danny
| clamdip | 10-04-2002 02:35 AM |
hey impressiveWRX, some good points there. couldn't agree more.
| niceguybille | 10-04-2002 09:41 AM |
do what you want and post some pics when you do it:)
bille
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| 128d | 10-04-2002 11:22 AM |
Thanks for the info DannyAtWork.
| love4awd | 10-04-2002 11:31 AM |
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| love4awd | 10-04-2002 11:31 AM |
this is a subaru with hydos
| love4awd | 10-04-2002 11:31 AM |
this is a subaru with hydos
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| pwrphrk | 10-04-2002 02:21 PM |
Is that a Subaru with hydros? :confused:
| pwrphrk | 10-04-2002 02:22 PM |
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| froggert | 10-04-2002 02:33 PM |
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| BOY | 10-04-2002 03:09 PM |
ROTFLMAO
| jacobhorn | 10-04-2002 06:55 PM |
Green Impreza with Hydros = BARF! :monkey:
| RidinLow | 10-04-2002 09:15 PM |
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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