| Uncle Ben | 06-08-2006 07:11 PM |
Is anyone running a floor bar (Do-Luck or otherwise?)
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Looking into a floor bar to stiffen up the car a bit... the one that runs over the transmission hump in the back passenger cabin. How do they attach to the car is what I'm wondering... will something like this work from eBay? ([url]http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SUBARU-IMPREZA-WRX-STI-STABILIZER-CROSS-FLOOR-BAR-KIT_W0QQitemZ8072546345QQihZ019QQcategoryZ33590QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem[/url])
They all say they attach to the OEM seatbolt bolts but I looked at my car and it doesn't seem like that would work.
They all say they attach to the OEM seatbolt bolts but I looked at my car and it doesn't seem like that would work.
| pornstar1969 | 06-08-2006 07:13 PM |
I know my STI had a similar bar under the rear seat stock. Dunno about the wrx thoough
| Uncle Ben | 06-08-2006 07:14 PM |
Ya I have one under the seat, thinking of running one on the floor by the passenger's feet as well.
| Chas Metivier | 06-09-2006 01:58 PM |
Wrx's come with a factory bar under the back seat. If you want to stiffen up the mid section of the car, Sparco harness bar will do it quit well, and you can attach racing harnesses to it!
| 06STi | 06-09-2006 02:02 PM |
yeah that underseat bar is nice. The mid bars only work well in a older beater like a AE86.
Get a underbrace (front suspension) you'll get the best impovement from that and forget about the nerf bar..
Get a underbrace (front suspension) you'll get the best impovement from that and forget about the nerf bar..
| Uncle Scotty | 06-10-2006 12:17 AM |
...the bar under the rear seat is for side impact crash protection for the rear seat passengers and does not do what the floor bar does.
Just because you deeeeeeewwwwwwwwwds don't understand the principle of chassis stiffining does not mean that these things don't 'work'......it just means that you don't know jack....and the GD chassis may be fairly stiff....but it can be a LOT stiffer and thus better.
Just because you deeeeeeewwwwwwwwwds don't understand the principle of chassis stiffining does not mean that these things don't 'work'......it just means that you don't know jack....and the GD chassis may be fairly stiff....but it can be a LOT stiffer and thus better.
| oldmansan | 06-10-2006 12:30 AM |
I've seen a few guys post that after removing the bar under the seat they actually felt a negative effect. I haven't removed it myself as it's not very heavy anyway. I have a harness bar that's primarily to brace the pillars and floor points. Makes a good mounting point for my fire extinguisher too.
San
San
| 06STi | 06-10-2006 12:48 AM |
[QUOTE=Uncle Scotty]...
Just because you deeeeeeewwwwwwwwwds don't understand the principle of chassis stiffining does not mean that these things don't 'work'......it just means that you don't know jack.....[/QUOTE]
All I can say is :huh: because I know that was not directed at me. So I give you one of these :lol: back..
Just because you deeeeeeewwwwwwwwwds don't understand the principle of chassis stiffining does not mean that these things don't 'work'......it just means that you don't know jack.....[/QUOTE]
All I can say is :huh: because I know that was not directed at me. So I give you one of these :lol: back..
| STi-JDM | 06-10-2006 12:53 AM |
[QUOTE=Uncle Scotty]...the bar under the rear seat is for side impact crash protection for the rear seat passengers and does not do what the floor bar does.
Just because you deeeeeeewwwwwwwwwds don't understand the principle of chassis stiffining does not mean that these things don't 'work'......it just means that you don't know jack....and the GD chassis may be fairly stiff....but it can be a LOT stiffer and thus better.[/QUOTE]
+eleventybillion... I took mine off... :disco:
Just because you deeeeeeewwwwwwwwwds don't understand the principle of chassis stiffining does not mean that these things don't 'work'......it just means that you don't know jack....and the GD chassis may be fairly stiff....but it can be a LOT stiffer and thus better.[/QUOTE]
+eleventybillion... I took mine off... :disco:
| Uncle Scotty | 06-10-2006 11:53 AM |
[QUOTE=STi-JDM]+eleventybillion... I took mine off... :disco:[/QUOTE]
....and you MISSED the POINT :rolleyes:
....and you MISSED the POINT :rolleyes:
| pleue | 06-10-2006 02:42 PM |
anyone have the ebay bar or a do-luck that can talk about mounting?
| WRXSIG | 06-10-2006 02:59 PM |
[QUOTE=Uncle Scotty]....and you MISSED the POINT :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
lol! poor scotty....your like the parent and the kids just dont get it. You can only help them so far. Then you gotta let em go :lol:
lol! poor scotty....your like the parent and the kids just dont get it. You can only help them so far. Then you gotta let em go :lol:
| KAX | 06-10-2006 03:03 PM |
[QUOTE=WRXSIG]lol! poor scotty....your like the parent and the kids just dont get it. You can only help them so far. Then you gotta let em go :lol:[/QUOTE]
more like the pedaphelial uncle whos an a**hole to his siblings kids cuz he cant have sex with them.
but anywho. my stock ones off and i didnt feel a negative difference. but im sure the floor bar from do-luck would help. That ebay one doesnt look like it would fit underneath the seats, so if you want to keep those i wouldnt suggest it.
more like the pedaphelial uncle whos an a**hole to his siblings kids cuz he cant have sex with them.
but anywho. my stock ones off and i didnt feel a negative difference. but im sure the floor bar from do-luck would help. That ebay one doesnt look like it would fit underneath the seats, so if you want to keep those i wouldnt suggest it.
| ittybitty_STI | 06-10-2006 06:34 PM |
I have one for the floor i think if i remember correctly its Neuspeed or something like that. but it makes a diffrence i can feel the difrence. i think i payed something like 50 shipped for it.
| pleue | 06-10-2006 09:20 PM |
would you be able to post up some pics installed and how it mounts?
| alpnwhite96 | 06-10-2006 10:01 PM |
okay... dont' mean to bash anyone in here...
but it doesn't seem like that bar would do anything
but it doesn't seem like that bar would do anything
| Uncle Ben | 06-10-2006 10:43 PM |
Someone with a floor bar post some pics!
| Uncle Scotty | 06-10-2006 11:19 PM |
[QUOTE=KAX]more like the pedaphelial uncle whos an a**hole to his siblings kids cuz he cant have sex with them.
but anywho. my stock ones off and i didnt feel a negative difference. but im sure the floor bar from do-luck would help. That ebay one doesnt look like it would fit underneath the seats, so if you want to keep those i wouldnt suggest it.[/QUOTE]
....it's idiots like you that take necessary saftey equipment off yer car.....then say 'oh well' after an accident....or sell the car and 'ferget' to put it back and some poor schmucks kids get killed in the back seat in an accident :rolleyes:
REAL GOOD idea :rolleyes:
but anywho. my stock ones off and i didnt feel a negative difference. but im sure the floor bar from do-luck would help. That ebay one doesnt look like it would fit underneath the seats, so if you want to keep those i wouldnt suggest it.[/QUOTE]
....it's idiots like you that take necessary saftey equipment off yer car.....then say 'oh well' after an accident....or sell the car and 'ferget' to put it back and some poor schmucks kids get killed in the back seat in an accident :rolleyes:
REAL GOOD idea :rolleyes:
| oldmansan | 06-10-2006 11:58 PM |
[QUOTE=Uncle Scotty]....it's idiots like you that take necessary saftey equipment off yer car.....then say 'oh well' after an accident....or sell the car and 'ferget' to put it back and some poor schmucks kids get killed in the back seat in an accident :rolleyes:
REAL GOOD idea :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I have kids, (been trying to sell them, but the market is soft) so the weight savings isn't worth it. If I could sell the kids that would be ~150 lbs.
San
REAL GOOD idea :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I have kids, (been trying to sell them, but the market is soft) so the weight savings isn't worth it. If I could sell the kids that would be ~150 lbs.
San
| 06STi | 06-11-2006 02:49 AM |
I dont think anything in the frame that only mounts to two points is going to do much. Thats why I posted up a ladder bar have more gains. Why do you think they have all the tie in bars for rear and front strut towers. Also why you triangle things when welding in a cage. Anything that fits in the cabin and only hard mounts in two locations is a waste.
| alpnwhite96 | 06-11-2006 02:52 AM |
floor bars seem to be for ricers @ car shows essentially...
| Uncle Ben | 06-11-2006 02:54 AM |
How is a bar that stiffens your chassis make you a ricer? If better handling makes me a rYcE bOy then call me Uncle Ben's...
Can we get past the ethuggin' and name calling and get back on topic :p
Can we get past the ethuggin' and name calling and get back on topic :p
| oldmansan | 06-11-2006 02:59 AM |
I haven't seen a pic yet of any floor bar/brace.
San
San
| Uncle Scotty | 06-11-2006 03:00 AM |
[QUOTE=06STi]I dont think anything in the frame that only mounts to two points is going to do much. Thats why I posted up a ladder bar have more gains. Why do you think they have all the tie in bars for rear and front strut towers. Also why you triangle things when welding in a cage. Anything that fits in the cabin and only hard mounts in two locations is a waste.[/QUOTE]
:rolleyes: ....not if it is just transfering a load.....
:rolleyes: ....not if it is just transfering a load.....
| alpnwhite96 | 06-11-2006 03:04 AM |
[QUOTE=Uncle Ben]How is a bar that stiffens your chassis make you a ricer? If better handling makes me a rYcE bOy then call me Uncle Ben's...
Can we get past the ethuggin' and name calling and get back on topic :p[/QUOTE]
i haven't seen a bar that stiffens your chassis in here yet...
Can we get past the ethuggin' and name calling and get back on topic :p[/QUOTE]
i haven't seen a bar that stiffens your chassis in here yet...
| STi-JDM | 06-11-2006 05:52 AM |
[QUOTE=Uncle Scotty]....it's idiots like you that take necessary saftey equipment off yer car.....then say 'oh well' after an accident....or sell the car and 'ferget' to put it back and some poor schmucks kids get killed in the back seat in an accident :rolleyes:
REAL GOOD idea :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
lol... I never have anyone sit on the rear, that's why I took em off... and I never sold/throw away all my stock parts... ;) thank you...
REAL GOOD idea :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
lol... I never have anyone sit on the rear, that's why I took em off... and I never sold/throw away all my stock parts... ;) thank you...
| ronf | 06-11-2006 06:05 AM |
[url]http://www.240sx.org/links/product-review/suspension/ty.htm[/url]
I think Worldone in Seattle is selling for $299.
The e-bay one is a lot cheaper but don't know about the quality
[url]http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/02-05-SUBARU-IMPREZA-WRX-CROSS-FLOOR-BAR-NOT-DO-LUCK_W0QQitemZ8027751980QQcategoryZ33591QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem[/url]
interested but very busy lately...
I think Worldone in Seattle is selling for $299.
The e-bay one is a lot cheaper but don't know about the quality
[url]http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/02-05-SUBARU-IMPREZA-WRX-CROSS-FLOOR-BAR-NOT-DO-LUCK_W0QQitemZ8027751980QQcategoryZ33591QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem[/url]
interested but very busy lately...
| STi-JDM | 06-11-2006 06:19 AM |
anyway... I forgot to tell that I have this do-luck bar on my skyline... :) you can feel that the mid-part of the car is stiffer than before... it's kinda strange when I didn't use the strutbar tho...
| dibblejr | 06-11-2006 09:00 AM |
Look under your rear seats people. I dont see where the floor bar would give anymore support than the stock. Unless you want to increase the performance in a side crash double the safety for the rear passengers.
If you are going to pay $300 for a brace then buy a 4 point roll cage with the 5th cross tie.
If you are going to pay $300 for a brace then buy a 4 point roll cage with the 5th cross tie.
| Uncle Scotty | 06-11-2006 12:15 PM |
[QUOTE=dibblejr]....... I dont see where the floor bar would give anymore support......... [/QUOTE]
are you a structural engineer????
then what you see is irrelevant.
are you a structural engineer????
then what you see is irrelevant.
| dibblejr | 06-11-2006 01:10 PM |
Uncle AHOLE who asked you. Go back to sleep or the bottle you been hittin.
Up until today I have watched as you bash anything everyone says or asks. If you dont have anything decent to say the F OFF!
[QUOTE=Uncle Scotty]are you a structural engineer????
then what you see is irrelevant.[/QUOTE]
Up until today I have watched as you bash anything everyone says or asks. If you dont have anything decent to say the F OFF!
[QUOTE=Uncle Scotty]are you a structural engineer????
then what you see is irrelevant.[/QUOTE]
| pleue | 06-11-2006 01:33 PM |
i mean i see where this bar could be questionable, as is a front strut bar for the wrx, but that doesn't stop a lot of people. As for uncle scotty's comment, yea it was out of line, but so was the response. I bet only one person gets points though.
| pleue | 06-11-2006 01:35 PM |
Oh and removing safety equipment on your car is dumb. Back on topic, anyone have one installed that would take pictures?
| alpnwhite96 | 06-11-2006 04:06 PM |
where in the structure of the car do these floor bars bolt up to? or do they just sit pressed up against the carpet?
| dibblejr | 06-11-2006 05:41 PM |
From what I have seen most of them utilize the seat belt bolt and maybe need to use a couple more bolts along that mounting pont. You have to cut the carpet around them.
[QUOTE=alpnwhite96]where in the structure of the car do these floor bars bolt up to? or do they just sit pressed up against the carpet?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=alpnwhite96]where in the structure of the car do these floor bars bolt up to? or do they just sit pressed up against the carpet?[/QUOTE]
| GeorgeRex | 06-11-2006 05:45 PM |
Never mind
| Av3ng3d WRX | 06-11-2006 06:23 PM |
hey Dibblejr im an aerospace engineer and the rear floor bar will increase the structural regidity of the car because not only is the floor bar a thicker diameter but ow my god ITS IN A DIFFRENT LOCATION!!!! otherwise they would sell replacement stock rear seat bars which would be rediculous cause then u would have this huge hump in ur rear seats......you can never have enough bars!!!!! and triangulate people!!!!!
| dibblejr | 06-11-2006 07:09 PM |
MAybe in a sedan, but at looking at these setups in a few shows and in pictures where the am floor bar would be bolted is only a few inches away from the stock one.
IMO which is the case with everything anyone writes here it is not worth the cost. A nice set of strut tower braces would be more effective. Or even a 5 point roll cage.
Id doesnt take a scientist to figure out that any cross stabilization is better than none, however with the shotty plates they use are worthlesss, thats why to race your rollcages have to be tied by welding or by plates to the frame. It does no good to bolt a roll cage to the floor without new larger plates to sandwich the body. After a couple rally bumps the roll cage would rip right out of the floor.
My entire comment was just to state IMO it is not worth it for the fact stated above.
I was not the person who asked the question, I was only giving my opinion just like you are.
[QUOTE=Av3ng3d WRX]hey Dibblejr im an aerospace engineer and the rear floor bar will increase the structural regidity of the car because not only is the floor bar a thicker diameter but ow my god ITS IN A DIFFRENT LOCATION!!!! otherwise they would sell replacement stock rear seat bars which would be rediculous cause then u would have this huge hump in ur rear seats......you can never have enough bars!!!!! and triangulate people!!!!![/QUOTE]
IMO which is the case with everything anyone writes here it is not worth the cost. A nice set of strut tower braces would be more effective. Or even a 5 point roll cage.
Id doesnt take a scientist to figure out that any cross stabilization is better than none, however with the shotty plates they use are worthlesss, thats why to race your rollcages have to be tied by welding or by plates to the frame. It does no good to bolt a roll cage to the floor without new larger plates to sandwich the body. After a couple rally bumps the roll cage would rip right out of the floor.
My entire comment was just to state IMO it is not worth it for the fact stated above.
I was not the person who asked the question, I was only giving my opinion just like you are.
[QUOTE=Av3ng3d WRX]hey Dibblejr im an aerospace engineer and the rear floor bar will increase the structural regidity of the car because not only is the floor bar a thicker diameter but ow my god ITS IN A DIFFRENT LOCATION!!!! otherwise they would sell replacement stock rear seat bars which would be rediculous cause then u would have this huge hump in ur rear seats......you can never have enough bars!!!!! and triangulate people!!!!![/QUOTE]
| BLK REX | 06-11-2006 08:12 PM |
[QUOTE=dibblejr]Uncle AHOLE who asked you. Go back to sleep or the bottle you been hittin.
Up until today I have watched as you bash anything everyone says or asks. If you dont have anything decent to say the F OFF![/QUOTE]
[img]http://www.burnleyweb.com/forum/images/smilies/burnleyweb/ban.gif[/img]
Up until today I have watched as you bash anything everyone says or asks. If you dont have anything decent to say the F OFF![/QUOTE]
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| 06STi | 06-11-2006 09:15 PM |
[QUOTE=BLK REX][img]http://www.burnleyweb.com/forum/images/smilies/burnleyweb/ban.gif[/img][/QUOTE]
Nah he's gpt a point.. If your not in the same boat as uncle then your wrong.
And thats B.S.
Get a the under car 4 point ladder brace. You will notice a better improvement then a coat rack.
Nah he's gpt a point.. If your not in the same boat as uncle then your wrong.
And thats B.S.
Get a the under car 4 point ladder brace. You will notice a better improvement then a coat rack.
| Uncle Scotty | 06-12-2006 12:29 AM |
[QUOTE=06STi]Nah he's gpt a point.. If your not in the same boat as uncle then your wrong.
And thats B.S.
Get a the under car 4 point ladder brace. You will notice a better improvement then a coat rack.[/QUOTE]
.....NNNNNNNNnnnnnnnoooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOO....
I only let idiots know that what they post is garbage....total garbage and they don't like it.....well.....tough ****.
there is WAY-WAY too much complete stupidity and conjecture and wives tales around here that are just plain WRONG----and I just point THAT out....pisses the idiots spoutin the garbage off.....the the POINT REMAINS THE SAME.
GARBAGE
And thats B.S.
Get a the under car 4 point ladder brace. You will notice a better improvement then a coat rack.[/QUOTE]
.....NNNNNNNNnnnnnnnoooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOO....
I only let idiots know that what they post is garbage....total garbage and they don't like it.....well.....tough ****.
there is WAY-WAY too much complete stupidity and conjecture and wives tales around here that are just plain WRONG----and I just point THAT out....pisses the idiots spoutin the garbage off.....the the POINT REMAINS THE SAME.
GARBAGE
| Capt Crunch | 06-12-2006 01:38 AM |
Scotty, more people would take you seriously if you were less condescending. You may be completely right (I agree with you in this case), but if your goal is to inform "idiots," you're going about it the wrong way. People tend to ignore those whom they don't like, even if the advice is good.
| Russell Rogers | 06-12-2006 02:13 AM |
I don't think that stock bar is there to stiffen the chassis. It looks to me like its more ther to support the underside of the seat. If a Sparco harness bar stiffens the chassis why wouldn't a floorbar. It's just like putting frame connectors in a mustang or a camaro. And these can be welded in. no they really should be welded in.
Scotty is condescending but he knows what he is talking about. I think the "I haven't seen a bar that stiffens the chassis yet" type of comment is why he is being so straight forward.
Scotty is condescending but he knows what he is talking about. I think the "I haven't seen a bar that stiffens the chassis yet" type of comment is why he is being so straight forward.
| dibblejr | 06-12-2006 09:08 AM |
Since I have been a mamber I have not seen scotty make any suggestions. He only repeats what is being asked and say nothing but BS towards anyone who does not agree with him.
Answers to peoples questions are always " In their own opinions". Lets see if he made any good comments on this question.
The Question POSTED was " Is anyone running a floor bar?"
His answers were!
....not if it is just transfering a load.....
are you a structural engineer????
then what you see is irrelevant.
.....NNNNNNNNnnnnnnnoooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOO.. ..
I only let idiots know that what they post is garbage....total garbage and they don't like it.....well.....tough ****.
there is WAY-WAY too much complete stupidity and conjecture and wives tales around here that are just plain WRONG----and I just point THAT out....pisses the idiots spoutin the garbage off.....the the POINT REMAINS THE SAME.
GARBAGE
So after reading his three replys to the question which one of those answers give advice?
The moron should create his own forum, he would be a lonely man then. Everytime someone asks a question he just critisizes them, totally uncalled for.
He probably doesnt even own a WRX, probably just an old GL.
EDITED*** He is the one who made the comment about " not seeing a bar that stiffens the chassis" so how is what he has said anything of knowledge?
[QUOTE=Russell Rogers]I don't think that stock bar is there to stiffen the chassis. It looks to me like its more ther to support the underside of the seat. If a Sparco harness bar stiffens the chassis why wouldn't a floorbar. It's just like putting frame connectors in a mustang or a camaro. And these can be welded in. no they really should be welded in.
Scotty is condescending but he knows what he is talking about. I think the "I haven't seen a bar that stiffens the chassis yet" type of comment is why he is being so straight forward.[/QUOTE]
Answers to peoples questions are always " In their own opinions". Lets see if he made any good comments on this question.
The Question POSTED was " Is anyone running a floor bar?"
His answers were!
....not if it is just transfering a load.....
are you a structural engineer????
then what you see is irrelevant.
.....NNNNNNNNnnnnnnnoooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOO.. ..
I only let idiots know that what they post is garbage....total garbage and they don't like it.....well.....tough ****.
there is WAY-WAY too much complete stupidity and conjecture and wives tales around here that are just plain WRONG----and I just point THAT out....pisses the idiots spoutin the garbage off.....the the POINT REMAINS THE SAME.
GARBAGE
So after reading his three replys to the question which one of those answers give advice?
The moron should create his own forum, he would be a lonely man then. Everytime someone asks a question he just critisizes them, totally uncalled for.
He probably doesnt even own a WRX, probably just an old GL.
EDITED*** He is the one who made the comment about " not seeing a bar that stiffens the chassis" so how is what he has said anything of knowledge?
[QUOTE=Russell Rogers]I don't think that stock bar is there to stiffen the chassis. It looks to me like its more ther to support the underside of the seat. If a Sparco harness bar stiffens the chassis why wouldn't a floorbar. It's just like putting frame connectors in a mustang or a camaro. And these can be welded in. no they really should be welded in.
Scotty is condescending but he knows what he is talking about. I think the "I haven't seen a bar that stiffens the chassis yet" type of comment is why he is being so straight forward.[/QUOTE]
| Rice Devil | 06-12-2006 09:51 AM |
back on topic!
I received mine the other day in the mail. Not fitted it yet.
kit looks good enough even if its only for the show! well made but a few scuffs on the bars.
For all it costs just buy one and see if it makes differnce!
RD
I received mine the other day in the mail. Not fitted it yet.
kit looks good enough even if its only for the show! well made but a few scuffs on the bars.
For all it costs just buy one and see if it makes differnce!
RD
| vwown3d | 06-12-2006 10:42 AM |
heres beatrush
[IMG]http://www.kamispeed.com/images/s86010pbcb.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.kamispeed.com/images/s86010pbcb.jpg[/IMG]
| Calamity Jesus | 06-12-2006 10:57 AM |
[QUOTE=Uncle Scotty]....it's idiots like you that take necessary saftey equipment off yer car.....then say 'oh well' after an accident....or sell the car and 'ferget' to put it back and some poor schmucks kids get killed in the back seat in an accident :rolleyes:
REAL GOOD idea :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]I have to call you out for this, Scotty. WTF are you doing talking about safety?
[list=a][*]You're encouraging people to throw some POS tubing across the rear footwells. What is that going to do to rear seat passengers in a side impact? Do you know? Are you a structural engineer? One thing that I can tell, from looking at it, is that the entire thing is held together by a small screw on each end and some thin, fine-threaded compression nuts.
If that thing provides any meaningful bracing to the chassis of a car, I'll eat my shoe. If it doesn't create a risk to passengers in a side impact, I'll dine on my dirty socks as well.
[img]http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/aimspot2000/FB_010_SL_A2K1.jpg[/img]
[*]You have a frickin battery floating around in your passenger compartment. Quit preaching about safety already.
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/unclescotty/102-0212_IMG.jpg[/img][/list]
Just because the GD chassis isn't carved out of a solid ingot of titanium doesn't mean that throwing 'universal' chassis braces at it is going to help.
REAL GOOD idea :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]I have to call you out for this, Scotty. WTF are you doing talking about safety?
[list=a][*]You're encouraging people to throw some POS tubing across the rear footwells. What is that going to do to rear seat passengers in a side impact? Do you know? Are you a structural engineer? One thing that I can tell, from looking at it, is that the entire thing is held together by a small screw on each end and some thin, fine-threaded compression nuts.
If that thing provides any meaningful bracing to the chassis of a car, I'll eat my shoe. If it doesn't create a risk to passengers in a side impact, I'll dine on my dirty socks as well.
[img]http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/aimspot2000/FB_010_SL_A2K1.jpg[/img]
[*]You have a frickin battery floating around in your passenger compartment. Quit preaching about safety already.
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/unclescotty/102-0212_IMG.jpg[/img][/list]
Just because the GD chassis isn't carved out of a solid ingot of titanium doesn't mean that throwing 'universal' chassis braces at it is going to help.
| dibblejr | 06-12-2006 12:21 PM |
That was my point exactly. ( all of what you said) Scottys a hypocrite.
[QUOTE=Beaverboy]I have to call you out for this, Scotty. WTF are you doing talking about safety?
[list=a][*]You're encouraging people to throw some POS tubing across the rear footwells. What is that going to do to rear seat passengers in a side impact? Do you know? Are you a structural engineer? One thing that I can tell, from looking at it, is that the entire thing is held together by a small screw on each end and some thin, fine-threaded compression nuts.
If that thing provides any meaningful bracing to the chassis of a car, I'll eat my shoe. If it doesn't create a risk to passengers in a side impact, I'll dine on my dirty socks as well.
[img]http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/aimspot2000/FB_010_SL_A2K1.jpg[/img]
[*]You have a frickin battery floating around in your passenger compartment. Quit preaching about safety already.
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/unclescotty/102-0212_IMG.jpg[/img][/list]
Just because the GD chassis isn't carved out of a solid ingot of titanium doesn't mean that throwing 'universal' chassis braces at it is going to help.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Beaverboy]I have to call you out for this, Scotty. WTF are you doing talking about safety?
[list=a][*]You're encouraging people to throw some POS tubing across the rear footwells. What is that going to do to rear seat passengers in a side impact? Do you know? Are you a structural engineer? One thing that I can tell, from looking at it, is that the entire thing is held together by a small screw on each end and some thin, fine-threaded compression nuts.
If that thing provides any meaningful bracing to the chassis of a car, I'll eat my shoe. If it doesn't create a risk to passengers in a side impact, I'll dine on my dirty socks as well.
[img]http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/aimspot2000/FB_010_SL_A2K1.jpg[/img]
[*]You have a frickin battery floating around in your passenger compartment. Quit preaching about safety already.
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/unclescotty/102-0212_IMG.jpg[/img][/list]
Just because the GD chassis isn't carved out of a solid ingot of titanium doesn't mean that throwing 'universal' chassis braces at it is going to help.[/QUOTE]
| Capt Crunch | 06-12-2006 12:43 PM |
IBatonofrolleyesmileysfromscotty
| Uncle Scotty | 06-12-2006 12:48 PM |
[QUOTE=Beaverboy]I have to call you out for this, Scotty. WTF are you doing talking about safety?
[list=a][*]You're encouraging people to throw some POS tubing across the rear footwells. What is that going to do to rear seat passengers in a side impact? Do you know? Are you a structural engineer? One thing that I can tell, from looking at it, is that the entire thing is held together by a small screw on each end and some thin, fine-threaded compression nuts.
If that thing provides any meaningful bracing to the chassis of a car, I'll eat my shoe. If it doesn't create a risk to passengers in a side impact, I'll dine on my dirty socks as well.
[img]http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/aimspot2000/FB_010_SL_A2K1.jpg[/img]
[*]You have a frickin battery floating around in your passenger compartment. Quit preaching about safety already.
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/unclescotty/102-0212_IMG.jpg[/img][/list]
Just because the GD chassis isn't carved out of a solid ingot of titanium doesn't mean that throwing 'universal' chassis braces at it is going to help.[/QUOTE]
....you and the rest of these complete idiots have NO CLUE.
My battery is SO TIGHT that it is impossible to get it out with the seat in any position but full foreword.
Removing the stock chassis reinforcement bar under the seat and ADDING another one are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
This board used to be populated by enthusiasts who told the n00b that what they thought was dumb and explained why and that was that.
NOW....ya have too many complete idiots that have very little mental horsepower posting all sorts of stupid garbage and when I call them on it they call the WAAAAAAMMMMMMbulance and get their stupid squad to try to tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about.
We already had an engineer post on this.....and I am an aircraft mechanic with airline experience and I'M NOT STUPID.....adding 2 + 2 gets me the correct answer more often than not.
And there is ALWAYS somebody that will laff at the idiots....I laff all the time at all of ya fools :lol:
:rolleyes:
[list=a][*]You're encouraging people to throw some POS tubing across the rear footwells. What is that going to do to rear seat passengers in a side impact? Do you know? Are you a structural engineer? One thing that I can tell, from looking at it, is that the entire thing is held together by a small screw on each end and some thin, fine-threaded compression nuts.
If that thing provides any meaningful bracing to the chassis of a car, I'll eat my shoe. If it doesn't create a risk to passengers in a side impact, I'll dine on my dirty socks as well.
[img]http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/aimspot2000/FB_010_SL_A2K1.jpg[/img]
[*]You have a frickin battery floating around in your passenger compartment. Quit preaching about safety already.
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/unclescotty/102-0212_IMG.jpg[/img][/list]
Just because the GD chassis isn't carved out of a solid ingot of titanium doesn't mean that throwing 'universal' chassis braces at it is going to help.[/QUOTE]
....you and the rest of these complete idiots have NO CLUE.
My battery is SO TIGHT that it is impossible to get it out with the seat in any position but full foreword.
Removing the stock chassis reinforcement bar under the seat and ADDING another one are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
This board used to be populated by enthusiasts who told the n00b that what they thought was dumb and explained why and that was that.
NOW....ya have too many complete idiots that have very little mental horsepower posting all sorts of stupid garbage and when I call them on it they call the WAAAAAAMMMMMMbulance and get their stupid squad to try to tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about.
We already had an engineer post on this.....and I am an aircraft mechanic with airline experience and I'M NOT STUPID.....adding 2 + 2 gets me the correct answer more often than not.
And there is ALWAYS somebody that will laff at the idiots....I laff all the time at all of ya fools :lol:
:rolleyes:
| ronf | 06-12-2006 01:31 PM |
[QUOTE=vwown3d]heres beatrush
[IMG]http://www.kamispeed.com/images/s86010pbcb.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
where to get it ? make and the name of the bars ?
[IMG]http://www.kamispeed.com/images/s86010pbcb.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
where to get it ? make and the name of the bars ?
| Uncle Ben | 06-12-2006 01:33 PM |
Make = Beatrush lol. Looks like it requires drilling though into the car which sucks...
| Uncle Scotty | 06-12-2006 01:39 PM |
[QUOTE=ronf]where to get it ? make and the name of the bars ?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.kamispeed.com/product_info.php?cPath=1140_1158_1282_1658&products_id=740&SesId=028cf960ee9b3d3b32815f876aa1747f[/url]
[url]http://www.kamispeed.com/product_info.php?cPath=1140_1158_1282_1658&products_id=740&SesId=028cf960ee9b3d3b32815f876aa1747f[/url]
| 06STi | 06-12-2006 02:42 PM |
[QUOTE=Uncle Scotty]....you and the rest of these complete idiots have NO CLUE.
My battery is SO TIGHT that it is impossible to get it out with the seat in any position but full foreword.
Removing the stock chassis reinforcement bar under the seat and ADDING another one are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
This board used to be populated by enthusiasts who told the n00b that what they thought was dumb and explained why and that was that.
NOW....ya have too many complete idiots that have very little mental horsepower posting all sorts of stupid garbage and when I call them on it they call the WAAAAAAMMMMMMbulance and get their stupid squad to try to tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about.
We already had an engineer post on this.....and I am an aircraft mechanic with airline experience and I'M NOT STUPID.....adding 2 + 2 gets me the correct answer more often than not.
And there is ALWAYS somebody that will laff at the idiots....
[/QUOTE]
^^^^^^^
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I'll even toss a :banana: and raise you a :D now back to the program. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Please tell me scott. How is that bar going to stop uni-body frame twist? I only see it transfering a side to side load. But in a side impact I do see a few things. driver and passenger getting struck from behind in the back be a bar. I do also see a nice driveshaft vice. Sence is not tied into the floor or and any other points, How could it help? Oh boss called, said to tell you to get back to cleaning up the hanger floors with your mop. But before you get back to work. Why would they use fine thread bolts for this app? I mean wouldnt some corse threaded bolts be cheaper and work better?
My battery is SO TIGHT that it is impossible to get it out with the seat in any position but full foreword.
Removing the stock chassis reinforcement bar under the seat and ADDING another one are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
This board used to be populated by enthusiasts who told the n00b that what they thought was dumb and explained why and that was that.
NOW....ya have too many complete idiots that have very little mental horsepower posting all sorts of stupid garbage and when I call them on it they call the WAAAAAAMMMMMMbulance and get their stupid squad to try to tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about.
We already had an engineer post on this.....and I am an aircraft mechanic with airline experience and I'M NOT STUPID.....adding 2 + 2 gets me the correct answer more often than not.
And there is ALWAYS somebody that will laff at the idiots....
[/QUOTE]
^^^^^^^
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I'll even toss a :banana: and raise you a :D now back to the program. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Please tell me scott. How is that bar going to stop uni-body frame twist? I only see it transfering a side to side load. But in a side impact I do see a few things. driver and passenger getting struck from behind in the back be a bar. I do also see a nice driveshaft vice. Sence is not tied into the floor or and any other points, How could it help? Oh boss called, said to tell you to get back to cleaning up the hanger floors with your mop. But before you get back to work. Why would they use fine thread bolts for this app? I mean wouldnt some corse threaded bolts be cheaper and work better?
| BLK REX | 06-12-2006 03:03 PM |
[QUOTE=06STi]^^^^^^^
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I'll even toss a :banana: and raise you a :D now back to the program. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Please tell me scott. How is that bar going to stop uni-body frame twist? I only see it transfering a side to side load. But in a side impact I do see a few things. driver and passenger getting struck from behind in the back be a bar. I do also see a nice driveshaft vice. Sence is not tied into the floor or and any other points, How could it help? Oh boss called, said to tell you to get back to cleaning up the hanger floors with your mop. But before you get back to work. Why would they use fine thread bolts for this app? I mean wouldnt some corse threaded bolts be cheaper and work better?[/QUOTE]
Fine threads allow for tighter control, and less leverage to work it loose.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I'll even toss a :banana: and raise you a :D now back to the program. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Please tell me scott. How is that bar going to stop uni-body frame twist? I only see it transfering a side to side load. But in a side impact I do see a few things. driver and passenger getting struck from behind in the back be a bar. I do also see a nice driveshaft vice. Sence is not tied into the floor or and any other points, How could it help? Oh boss called, said to tell you to get back to cleaning up the hanger floors with your mop. But before you get back to work. Why would they use fine thread bolts for this app? I mean wouldnt some corse threaded bolts be cheaper and work better?[/QUOTE]
Fine threads allow for tighter control, and less leverage to work it loose.
| 06STi | 06-12-2006 03:04 PM |
[QUOTE=BLK REX]Fine threads allow for tighter control, and less leverage to work it loose.[/QUOTE]
Close but no.
Close but no.
| dibblejr | 06-12-2006 03:27 PM |
Though I am not a believer in these to actually make a difference, one long run would be better than to split them in half.
I forsee the srews ripping out of the mounting points from daily driving and chasis flexing after a short time.
I forsee the srews ripping out of the mounting points from daily driving and chasis flexing after a short time.
| 06STi | 06-12-2006 03:35 PM |
[QUOTE=dibblejr]Though I am not a believer in these to actually make a difference, one long run would be better than to split them in half.
I forsee the srews ripping out of the mounting points from daily driving and chasis flexing after a short time.[/QUOTE]
The split one would be worse. You could in design be stress cracking the center driveshaft tunnel. Because thats where if any load is being tranfered to is going to pin point the load force to.
But each to their own I guess.. like I said. A front under brace ladder bar would do alot more. But these coat hanger bars are a ricer look at me sort of thing. Where most performance parts that work are not in a spot to be looked at. But its in F&F3 so it must work.. I want to be like them..
I forsee the srews ripping out of the mounting points from daily driving and chasis flexing after a short time.[/QUOTE]
The split one would be worse. You could in design be stress cracking the center driveshaft tunnel. Because thats where if any load is being tranfered to is going to pin point the load force to.
But each to their own I guess.. like I said. A front under brace ladder bar would do alot more. But these coat hanger bars are a ricer look at me sort of thing. Where most performance parts that work are not in a spot to be looked at. But its in F&F3 so it must work.. I want to be like them..
| dibblejr | 06-12-2006 04:45 PM |
Yeah, I maen in the area by the rear seat we already have the stock support brace, plus the cross member that the seat sits on.
The "A" bars are by far the better option. There is a lot better mods to spend $300 on than a show bar.
[QUOTE=06STi]The split one would be worse. You could in design be stress cracking the center driveshaft tunnel. Because thats where if any load is being tranfered to is going to pin point the load force to.
But each to their own I guess.. like I said. A front under brace ladder bar would do alot more. But these coat hanger bars are a ricer look at me sort of thing. Where most performance parts that work are not in a spot to be looked at. But its in F&F3 so it must work.. I want to be like them..[/QUOTE]
The "A" bars are by far the better option. There is a lot better mods to spend $300 on than a show bar.
[QUOTE=06STi]The split one would be worse. You could in design be stress cracking the center driveshaft tunnel. Because thats where if any load is being tranfered to is going to pin point the load force to.
But each to their own I guess.. like I said. A front under brace ladder bar would do alot more. But these coat hanger bars are a ricer look at me sort of thing. Where most performance parts that work are not in a spot to be looked at. But its in F&F3 so it must work.. I want to be like them..[/QUOTE]
| Uncle Scotty | 06-12-2006 06:29 PM |
[QUOTE=06STi]^^^^^^^
:lol: :lol: :lol: I'll even toss a :banana: and raise you a :D now back to the program. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Please tell me scott. How is that bar going to stop uni-body frame twist? I only see it transfering a side to side load. But in a side impact I do see a few things. driver and passenger getting struck from behind in the back be a bar. I do also see a nice driveshaft vice. Sence is not tied into the floor or and any other points, How could it help? Oh boss called, said to tell you to get back to cleaning up the hanger floors with your mop. But before you get back to work. Why would they use fine thread bolts for this app? I mean wouldnt some corse threaded bolts be cheaper and work better?[/QUOTE]
....deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwd.......put the crack pipe down and step away from the brainpower table :lol:
and ya gotta look at the whole 'system' and not JUST one piece of it.......and THIS (mal) reasoning and sence[sic] yer lernin is obviously impaired, where mine is not.....arguing is gonna get nowhere, here. :rolleyes:
:lol: :lol: :lol: I'll even toss a :banana: and raise you a :D now back to the program. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Please tell me scott. How is that bar going to stop uni-body frame twist? I only see it transfering a side to side load. But in a side impact I do see a few things. driver and passenger getting struck from behind in the back be a bar. I do also see a nice driveshaft vice. Sence is not tied into the floor or and any other points, How could it help? Oh boss called, said to tell you to get back to cleaning up the hanger floors with your mop. But before you get back to work. Why would they use fine thread bolts for this app? I mean wouldnt some corse threaded bolts be cheaper and work better?[/QUOTE]
....deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwd.......put the crack pipe down and step away from the brainpower table :lol:
and ya gotta look at the whole 'system' and not JUST one piece of it.......and THIS (mal) reasoning and sence[sic] yer lernin is obviously impaired, where mine is not.....arguing is gonna get nowhere, here. :rolleyes:
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