| whoobaru | 01-26-2004 10:32 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B]Duval took third under team orders, he pulled over to give Martin enough time to finish second.
Team orders on the first rally! That sucks. [/B][/QUOTE]
I agree, that's a bunch of crap! There's no reason at all for that! It's just as bad as when Barrichello pulled over for Schumacher a couple of years ago in F1. Absolute BS!
I wonder if the FIA would fine Ford for it like Ferrari got fined for their incident? But I guess that would be like the pot calling the kettle black after all the decisions that the FIA has made recently.
[B]Duval took third under team orders, he pulled over to give Martin enough time to finish second.
Team orders on the first rally! That sucks. [/B][/QUOTE]
I agree, that's a bunch of crap! There's no reason at all for that! It's just as bad as when Barrichello pulled over for Schumacher a couple of years ago in F1. Absolute BS!
I wonder if the FIA would fine Ford for it like Ferrari got fined for their incident? But I guess that would be like the pot calling the kettle black after all the decisions that the FIA has made recently.
| johnfelstead | 01-26-2004 10:42 AM |
CoDrivers are pissed.
Works co-drivers reacted with a mixture of anger and resignation to a new ruling that means their names no longer appear next to their drivers� on the side of the cars.
The new approach was introduced for the Monte Carlo Rally and rigorously enforced. Subaru was ordered to remove Phil Mills�s name from Petter Solberg�s works Impreza.
�We�re a team. We�re both in the car,� winning navigator Daniel Elena said. �Sebastien is French, but I�m not. I�m from Monaco. I�d like to see the Monagasque flag on the car. It�s a pity.�
�I�m just lost for words. As if we haven�t got enough in the sport to worry about,� Mills commented.
The decision was put forward by the World Rally Championship Commission, seemingly to avoid confusing the public. Co-drivers� names may still legally appear on cars� front wings. FIA President Max Mosley said he would look into the matter.
[url]http://www.worldrallynews.com/cgi-bin/viewnews.cgi?newsid1075106697,41270,[/url]
Works co-drivers reacted with a mixture of anger and resignation to a new ruling that means their names no longer appear next to their drivers� on the side of the cars.
The new approach was introduced for the Monte Carlo Rally and rigorously enforced. Subaru was ordered to remove Phil Mills�s name from Petter Solberg�s works Impreza.
�We�re a team. We�re both in the car,� winning navigator Daniel Elena said. �Sebastien is French, but I�m not. I�m from Monaco. I�d like to see the Monagasque flag on the car. It�s a pity.�
�I�m just lost for words. As if we haven�t got enough in the sport to worry about,� Mills commented.
The decision was put forward by the World Rally Championship Commission, seemingly to avoid confusing the public. Co-drivers� names may still legally appear on cars� front wings. FIA President Max Mosley said he would look into the matter.
[url]http://www.worldrallynews.com/cgi-bin/viewnews.cgi?newsid1075106697,41270,[/url]
| Dr. WOT | 01-26-2004 11:34 AM |
A few reactions: I think Petter got a little carried away with himself and forgot about what was a very sensible strategy, but that same spirit made him Champion last year so you can't fault him. In fact I almost couldn't believe my ears when I heard him saying that this was strickly a points run.
Those new Pugs are clearly fast and we will have a great battle this year. Just based on what I saw in the Monte, Gronholm looks set to bounce back from last year's frustrations and make another title run.
Impressive stuff by Loeb, I knew he�d do it. I'm thrilled to see Mitsubishi back as well.
About the rules changes... To read this forum one would be lead to believe that the WRC was destroyed beyond recognition. Yet I didn't notice any meaningful change in the competition. So can we please move on and enjoy the season?
Those new Pugs are clearly fast and we will have a great battle this year. Just based on what I saw in the Monte, Gronholm looks set to bounce back from last year's frustrations and make another title run.
Impressive stuff by Loeb, I knew he�d do it. I'm thrilled to see Mitsubishi back as well.
About the rules changes... To read this forum one would be lead to believe that the WRC was destroyed beyond recognition. Yet I didn't notice any meaningful change in the competition. So can we please move on and enjoy the season?
| totoherbs | 01-26-2004 11:40 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Dr. WOT[/i]
[B]
About the rules changes... To read this forum one would be lead to believe that the WRC was destroyed beyond recognition. Yet I didn't notice any meaningful change in the competition. So can we please move on and enjoy the season? [/B][/QUOTE]
I dont know I heard it talked about a few times on wrc radio.... :confused: And no one realy understood why the rules were put in place.
[B]
About the rules changes... To read this forum one would be lead to believe that the WRC was destroyed beyond recognition. Yet I didn't notice any meaningful change in the competition. So can we please move on and enjoy the season? [/B][/QUOTE]
I dont know I heard it talked about a few times on wrc radio.... :confused: And no one realy understood why the rules were put in place.
| SlideWRX | 01-26-2004 11:45 AM |
Anyone notice the new Peugot is running a four speed gear box? :eek: Must be a great torque spread.
Tom
Tom
| wgb113 | 01-26-2004 12:07 PM |
Those new Peugot's are UGLY! As are those Mitsubishi's! What were they thinking??
BLEH!
Bill
BLEH!
Bill
| totoherbs | 01-26-2004 12:22 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SlideWRX[/i]
[B] Anyone notice the new Peugot is running a four speed gear box? :eek: Must be a great torque spread.
Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
I saw something about that before... makes you wonder. They did mighty well this weekend.
[B] Anyone notice the new Peugot is running a four speed gear box? :eek: Must be a great torque spread.
Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
I saw something about that before... makes you wonder. They did mighty well this weekend.
| well_armed | 01-26-2004 12:55 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by mykrrrr [/i]
[B]The Lancer EVO WRC was pretty good looking eventhough the wing is still strange to me. Too bad they're not running active differentials. -mykr. [/B][/QUOTE]
I still dont understand this one as well. They were so much slower than everyone else.
[B]The Lancer EVO WRC was pretty good looking eventhough the wing is still strange to me. Too bad they're not running active differentials. -mykr. [/B][/QUOTE]
I still dont understand this one as well. They were so much slower than everyone else.
| totoherbs | 01-26-2004 01:00 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by well_armed[/i]
[B] I still dont understand this one as well. They were so much slower than everyone else. [/B][/QUOTE]
Unlike Peugot who tested the car for 2 years mitsu just slaped it together in a few months and is useing this year as testing.:lol:
[B] I still dont understand this one as well. They were so much slower than everyone else. [/B][/QUOTE]
Unlike Peugot who tested the car for 2 years mitsu just slaped it together in a few months and is useing this year as testing.:lol:
| quentinberg007 | 01-26-2004 01:36 PM |
I think the Evo will shine on the dry tarmac events. With Gils driving, there is a great possibility of doing well.
~~Quentin
~~Quentin
| cdvma | 01-26-2004 02:34 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by quentinberg007[/i]
[B] I think the Evo will shine on the dry tarmac events. With Gils driving, there is a great possibility of doing well.
~~Quentin [/B][/QUOTE]
Gils has been praised as "the tarmac specialist" but every tarmac event I've seen him at recently has resulted in a sporatic performace. Is it fair to say that he is no longer of the same caliber or is it just that the competition has raised to his level?
[B] I think the Evo will shine on the dry tarmac events. With Gils driving, there is a great possibility of doing well.
~~Quentin [/B][/QUOTE]
Gils has been praised as "the tarmac specialist" but every tarmac event I've seen him at recently has resulted in a sporatic performace. Is it fair to say that he is no longer of the same caliber or is it just that the competition has raised to his level?
| Arioch | 01-26-2004 03:41 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by whoobaru [/i]
[B]I agree, that's a bunch of crap! There's no reason at all for that! It's just as bad as when Barrichello pulled over for Schumacher a couple of years ago in F1. Absolute BS!
I wonder if the FIA would fine Ford for it like Ferrari got fined for their incident? But I guess that would be like the pot calling the kettle black after all the decisions that the FIA has made recently. [/B][/QUOTE]
Actually, the FIA fined Ferrari for their antics on the podium... Schuey pulling Woobins on to the top step and handing him the first place trophy... That's what they got fined for. They were politely "told" that team orders are frowned upon, but that wasn't what they were fined for.
On the note of co-drivers, I think it's BS too. Boo to the FIA for that one. Hopefully Max will realize that it's a STUPID rule that makes no difference to him, but the co-drivers want to and deserve to be recognized!
-dave
[B]I agree, that's a bunch of crap! There's no reason at all for that! It's just as bad as when Barrichello pulled over for Schumacher a couple of years ago in F1. Absolute BS!
I wonder if the FIA would fine Ford for it like Ferrari got fined for their incident? But I guess that would be like the pot calling the kettle black after all the decisions that the FIA has made recently. [/B][/QUOTE]
Actually, the FIA fined Ferrari for their antics on the podium... Schuey pulling Woobins on to the top step and handing him the first place trophy... That's what they got fined for. They were politely "told" that team orders are frowned upon, but that wasn't what they were fined for.
On the note of co-drivers, I think it's BS too. Boo to the FIA for that one. Hopefully Max will realize that it's a STUPID rule that makes no difference to him, but the co-drivers want to and deserve to be recognized!
-dave
| Smelli Bugatti | 01-26-2004 04:12 PM |
The way I understood it Markko had already past Duval then Ford told them to 'hold their places" to both cars could score. Duval had to stop at the end NOT to let Markko pass him but to hold his own place.
| Smelli Bugatti | 01-26-2004 04:19 PM |
I was going to get behind Team Mitsu this year, I think it looks cool and has rally car "attitude". The car has no active center DIFF and no slap shift so this is a test year of a 3 year plan. I dont see them winning even with Panizzi at the wheel.
SOOO I am behind Markko and Focus this time.
SOOO I am behind Markko and Focus this time.
| asquaredrex | 01-26-2004 04:35 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SlideWRX [/i]
[B]Anyone notice the new Peugot is running a four speed gear box? :eek: Must be a great torque spread.
Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
The car seemed to pull really hard, but did you notice that Marcus was banging the rev limiter on a few straights?
[B]Anyone notice the new Peugot is running a four speed gear box? :eek: Must be a great torque spread.
Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
The car seemed to pull really hard, but did you notice that Marcus was banging the rev limiter on a few straights?
| nKoan | 01-26-2004 04:38 PM |
Yeah, Marcus was complaining about hitting the rev limiter on some of the longer stages.
| quentinberg007 | 01-27-2004 01:01 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by cdvma[/i]
[B] Gils has been praised as "the tarmac specialist" but every tarmac event I've seen him at recently has resulted in a sporatic performace. Is it fair to say that he is no longer of the same caliber or is it just that the competition has raised to his level? [/B][/QUOTE]
True, he was in the very capable 206 before as well as a great crew behind him. The Mitsu crew is still new. It will def. take time but I think they can be back at a competitive level again.
~~Quentin
[B] Gils has been praised as "the tarmac specialist" but every tarmac event I've seen him at recently has resulted in a sporatic performace. Is it fair to say that he is no longer of the same caliber or is it just that the competition has raised to his level? [/B][/QUOTE]
True, he was in the very capable 206 before as well as a great crew behind him. The Mitsu crew is still new. It will def. take time but I think they can be back at a competitive level again.
~~Quentin
| ShockWave | 01-27-2004 10:22 AM |
This would be a very good year to start focusing some coverage on the privateers. With so few factory drivers in the series I could easily see at least one privateer earning points on every rally. The privateer sponsors would love the coverage and it could spur extra dollars coming in and eventually perhaps a diversification of the field. We could add two or three top flight non factory teams into the mix.
That�d be exciting.
That�d be exciting.
| MattDell | 01-27-2004 01:53 PM |
A Subaru privateer won a point in Monte. Olivier something...
-Matt
-Matt
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