| Leonardo | 08-08-2002 09:49 AM |
New STi cluster swap
So, it it just a plug and play?
How does the cluster adjust for MPH/KPH if I take one off and install the other?
Anyone know how to wire the shift light?
Any thoughts?
Leo
How does the cluster adjust for MPH/KPH if I take one off and install the other?
Anyone know how to wire the shift light?
Any thoughts?
Leo
| CirrusWRX | 08-08-2002 11:36 AM |
bump
(I think I've heard bad stories about this, but if somebody has more info, I'd be interested too -- I want a damned RPM gauge in the center where it belongs!!!)
(I think I've heard bad stories about this, but if somebody has more info, I'd be interested too -- I want a damned RPM gauge in the center where it belongs!!!)
| Leonardo | 08-08-2002 01:22 PM |
ttt
| 6 Stars | 08-08-2002 01:34 PM |
The bad stories above refer to the fact that you're driving a car with an incorrect odometer...could be issues when you go to sell the car, especially if you do the job yourself with no documentation. I read a story a couple months ago here where someone had some serious title issues becuase of this...
If you really want to do this, I read advice to have the dealership do it so that the mileage pre-odometer swap could be documented.
If you really want to do this, I read advice to have the dealership do it so that the mileage pre-odometer swap could be documented.
| CirrusWRX | 08-08-2002 01:49 PM |
That's definitely one of the issues!
However, it's kinda strange that you can't just "up the mileage" electronically somehow. I know it's gotta be tough to do it, but somebody must know a way.
On an airplane there is a thing called a "hobbes meter" -- it just uses electronic pulses to show the number of "hours" of engine/flight time (basically, this is a simplistic explanation...)
So if you ever have to replace one, you can just hook up a new one to a 12 volt power source, and leave it plugged in for a few days/weeks/months -- whatever it takes to get the hours back to where the old meter read.
I simply can't believe it's "not possible" to up the odometer... I'm assuming it [i]is[/i] possible, but nobody knows how, or has figured out how to do it yet. (I imagine it's encoded on a EEPROM somewhere/somehow, so it would be a matter of figuring out how to replace it or flash it with the current mileage.)
But, that just seems really dumb. What if the car has an accident where the gauge cluster is busted up or something, and you need a new "odomoter" -- do they just mark it on the work order or something??
However, it's kinda strange that you can't just "up the mileage" electronically somehow. I know it's gotta be tough to do it, but somebody must know a way.
On an airplane there is a thing called a "hobbes meter" -- it just uses electronic pulses to show the number of "hours" of engine/flight time (basically, this is a simplistic explanation...)
So if you ever have to replace one, you can just hook up a new one to a 12 volt power source, and leave it plugged in for a few days/weeks/months -- whatever it takes to get the hours back to where the old meter read.
I simply can't believe it's "not possible" to up the odometer... I'm assuming it [i]is[/i] possible, but nobody knows how, or has figured out how to do it yet. (I imagine it's encoded on a EEPROM somewhere/somehow, so it would be a matter of figuring out how to replace it or flash it with the current mileage.)
But, that just seems really dumb. What if the car has an accident where the gauge cluster is busted up or something, and you need a new "odomoter" -- do they just mark it on the work order or something??
| CirrusWRX | 08-08-2002 02:29 PM |
Cool - here's the thread I was thinking of. this is North Ursulia's horror story of warranty problems resulting from his STi cluster (this is on a GC8, however)
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=143651&highlight=STI+GAUGE+CLUSTER[/url]
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=143651&highlight=STI+GAUGE+CLUSTER[/url]
| WAlude | 08-08-2002 03:14 PM |
It sounds like the answer is to change it yourself... and then change it back if you need warranty work. Problem solved.
You should be honest and if your warranty is way over, then don't swap it back and take it in anyway.
You should be honest and if your warranty is way over, then don't swap it back and take it in anyway.
| digitaltekniq | 08-08-2002 03:25 PM |
Mileage readings are the issues - because the JDM cluster reads in KM's - not Miles. The UK cluster would work, as they use miles.
People were swapping in the JDM clusters on the Celica - and they got into all sorts of trouble when it came to selling the car.
My advice, at least try to source a UK gauge cluster - and then get it properly document when it's installed.
--Rich
People were swapping in the JDM clusters on the Celica - and they got into all sorts of trouble when it came to selling the car.
My advice, at least try to source a UK gauge cluster - and then get it properly document when it's installed.
--Rich
| Leonardo | 08-08-2002 09:03 PM |
"My advice, at least try to source a UK gauge cluster - and then get it properly document when it's installed."
Wonderfull idea, what should I do with the JDM I have in the meantime?:p
Leo
Wonderfull idea, what should I do with the JDM I have in the meantime?:p
Leo
| vsigma | 08-09-2002 10:44 AM |
Leo-
You can get a drop in card for the cluster that has the correct markings relative to KM/H to MP/H from the uk for like 30 dollars. real easy to do.
as to the odo bit, that's a whole different story, but not terribly difficult to do.
-victor
You can get a drop in card for the cluster that has the correct markings relative to KM/H to MP/H from the uk for like 30 dollars. real easy to do.
as to the odo bit, that's a whole different story, but not terribly difficult to do.
-victor
| WRX USA | 08-09-2002 12:57 PM |
vsigma - Do you think it is possible to modify that card to drop the redline down to 7000 rpm? How difficult do you think i would be?
| Leonardo | 08-09-2002 01:08 PM |
Victor, is there a way you can help me out to to get one?
Or at least a Part Number?
Thanks!
Leo
Or at least a Part Number?
Thanks!
Leo
| vsigma | 08-09-2002 04:34 PM |
Leo,
It's a simple card - I'll see if i can point you to where you can buy it direct - and save the agony of dealing with a nut like me ;)
And it's NOT a subaru part!
-victor
It's a simple card - I'll see if i can point you to where you can buy it direct - and save the agony of dealing with a nut like me ;)
And it's NOT a subaru part!
-victor
| WAlude | 08-09-2002 08:17 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by WRX USA [/i]
[B]vsigma - Do you think it is possible to modify that card to drop the redline down to 7000 rpm? How difficult do you think i would be? [/B][/QUOTE]
?
A new cluster is not going to change the redline... it's just the paint that indicates the redline. :rolleyes:
[B]vsigma - Do you think it is possible to modify that card to drop the redline down to 7000 rpm? How difficult do you think i would be? [/B][/QUOTE]
?
A new cluster is not going to change the redline... it's just the paint that indicates the redline. :rolleyes:
| vsigma | 08-09-2002 09:03 PM |
umm...
er...
you can't change the redline of a vehicle by just a card!
Besides, the card that I am talking about is only a drop in for the speedo portion of the cluster, and NOT the tach section - and it's purely a display item.
-victor
er...
you can't change the redline of a vehicle by just a card!
Besides, the card that I am talking about is only a drop in for the speedo portion of the cluster, and NOT the tach section - and it's purely a display item.
-victor
| Leonardo | 08-09-2002 09:52 PM |
I thought it was the speedo face. So the one you mean wouldn't be illuninated at night?
| Maniac8888 | 08-10-2002 12:36 PM |
What about the wiring on this thing? Has anyone tried the stock harness with this cluster (specifically for the WRX)? What functionality works, what doesn't, etc.
| Leonardo | 08-12-2002 06:43 PM |
Victor, any info?
Leo
Leo
| WRX USA | 08-12-2002 07:05 PM |
I may be a newbie, but I'm not stupid. Of course a card that you place over a gauge doesn't effect the redline of the motor, but the STi motor has a redline a little under 8k rpm. I don't know about you my WRX does not have the same redline. What I was asking, before it was reported this card was for the speedometer only, was if you could easily change the markings so that number were red above 7k rpm to reflect the redline of the motor that I have.
So you mean if I put an STi badge on the back of my car that it doesn't give me variable valve timing?:lol:
So you mean if I put an STi badge on the back of my car that it doesn't give me variable valve timing?:lol:
| WAlude | 08-19-2002 03:39 PM |
Okay everyone!
I now have a new STI cluster in my WRX.
Wow this thing is cool. It only had 251 KM on it when I got it.
Anyway, it just plugs right in. Everything fits fine with no issues at all.
You must remove the boost gauge in order to remove the original cluster if you have one of those column mounted gauge options.
Lets see... It has the tach and speedo switched like you all know.
The odometer and speedometer function fine, in kilometers.
The odo is under the speedo on the side, it still has the A and B trip meters and worked exactly the same.
The tach is really cool, yes it has a redline at 8k so don't forget!
the shift light is really neat!!! there is a second knob on the left which allows you to change the shift point in 100 rev increments from 2k to 8k and it only works while not moving.
also it allows you to turn a little beep on and off which beeps at you when time to shift. This is really damn cool and great for autoX. (when using the shift light adjuster all the settings and info is displayed on the second LCD under the gas and temp gauge.)
Gas and temp seem to work fine. they go up and down as normal.
When I first got it, before I put it in the car the gas gauge was all the way at the top but as soon as I plugged it in, it dropped to exactly what my stock gauge was reading.
Now the ONE thing that does not work...
When not messing with the shift light knob the second LCD under the gas and temp gauge will display "out temp."
This only shows dashes and because I don't have a temp sensor.
(this is also in Celsius)
I do have the factory service wiring manual and in it, it shows the wiring for the temp sensor, so as soon as I can find one of those I'm going to get that working.
Does anyone know if there are any USDM subarus which display the outside temp?? I'll bet the sensors are all the same.
:D
I now have a new STI cluster in my WRX.
Wow this thing is cool. It only had 251 KM on it when I got it.
Anyway, it just plugs right in. Everything fits fine with no issues at all.
You must remove the boost gauge in order to remove the original cluster if you have one of those column mounted gauge options.
Lets see... It has the tach and speedo switched like you all know.
The odometer and speedometer function fine, in kilometers.
The odo is under the speedo on the side, it still has the A and B trip meters and worked exactly the same.
The tach is really cool, yes it has a redline at 8k so don't forget!
the shift light is really neat!!! there is a second knob on the left which allows you to change the shift point in 100 rev increments from 2k to 8k and it only works while not moving.
also it allows you to turn a little beep on and off which beeps at you when time to shift. This is really damn cool and great for autoX. (when using the shift light adjuster all the settings and info is displayed on the second LCD under the gas and temp gauge.)
Gas and temp seem to work fine. they go up and down as normal.
When I first got it, before I put it in the car the gas gauge was all the way at the top but as soon as I plugged it in, it dropped to exactly what my stock gauge was reading.
Now the ONE thing that does not work...
When not messing with the shift light knob the second LCD under the gas and temp gauge will display "out temp."
This only shows dashes and because I don't have a temp sensor.
(this is also in Celsius)
I do have the factory service wiring manual and in it, it shows the wiring for the temp sensor, so as soon as I can find one of those I'm going to get that working.
Does anyone know if there are any USDM subarus which display the outside temp?? I'll bet the sensors are all the same.
:D
| slidesquad | 08-19-2002 04:38 PM |
WAlude,
What did you do with your old odometer?
How man miles did you have on it?
What did you do with your old odometer?
How man miles did you have on it?
| ellisnc | 08-19-2002 08:51 PM |
if it works anything like a Honda meter... you should be able to power the meter and give is a pulse which would act like a speed pulse to one of the lines... it should use this for the speedometer...
now if you keep feeding it this signal it should move the odometer on the stock meter so you can put the correct number of miles back on the car when you want to put the stock meter back into it.
They should calculate # of pulses per mile or km.
I don't have an electrical schematic for the car but basically the engine ECU should have a speed pulse output because it calculates it based on transmission rotation sensors. Then just test continuity between that wire and try to find the one that it is on the meter.
now if you keep feeding it this signal it should move the odometer on the stock meter so you can put the correct number of miles back on the car when you want to put the stock meter back into it.
They should calculate # of pulses per mile or km.
I don't have an electrical schematic for the car but basically the engine ECU should have a speed pulse output because it calculates it based on transmission rotation sensors. Then just test continuity between that wire and try to find the one that it is on the meter.
| ellisnc | 08-19-2002 08:54 PM |
also, to wire up the outside temp meter, you just need a thermistor from some car with equal or lesser resistance than the one that it's supposed to take, then you can just wire in some value resistance to calibrate it because they should all be pretty linear... at least around the region that you care about.
| Leonardo | 08-19-2002 09:25 PM |
WAlude- So the console itself changed the signal from MPH to KPH ? Interesting!!!
Also, the redline is 8K but with the shift light and buzzer, you will be reminded if you set it to the stock redline.
Leo
Also, the redline is 8K but with the shift light and buzzer, you will be reminded if you set it to the stock redline.
Leo
| andygold | 08-20-2002 03:50 AM |
Why would there be a problem when selling the vehicle? At least here in NY, there is a line on the back of the title that says something like "is the mileage on the odometer different than the car's true mileage"...definitely don't quote me on this :) . You just fill in the actual mileage, and you're done. What are you supposed to do if your odo takes a crap on you, and you must replace it....not sell the car, let's be real!!!!
Andy
Andy
| MackDaddy | 08-20-2002 07:14 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by WAlude [/i]
[B]Does anyone know if there are any USDM subarus which display the outside temp?? I'll bet the sensors are all the same.[/B][/QUOTE]
OBS, and Outback show outside temperature. :D Should be fairly easy to do / source. Heck, all the parts are USDM!
I'm interested in doing this as well. Who's got the best price on an STI cluster?
Thanks,
Jim
PS - Just checked the electrical systems service manual. Does anyone know if the connector "F78" for the ambient sensor exists on the WRX? It probably does, just wonder where it's at. :)
[B]Does anyone know if there are any USDM subarus which display the outside temp?? I'll bet the sensors are all the same.[/B][/QUOTE]
OBS, and Outback show outside temperature. :D Should be fairly easy to do / source. Heck, all the parts are USDM!
I'm interested in doing this as well. Who's got the best price on an STI cluster?
Thanks,
Jim
PS - Just checked the electrical systems service manual. Does anyone know if the connector "F78" for the ambient sensor exists on the WRX? It probably does, just wonder where it's at. :)
| tokigiracing | 08-20-2002 10:33 AM |
Glad to hear it plugs right in without any problems!
Anyone interested in a GB on this item? Respond here and show me that there is enough interest and I'll see what I can put together.
Jim
TOKIGI RACING
Anyone interested in a GB on this item? Respond here and show me that there is enough interest and I'll see what I can put together.
Jim
TOKIGI RACING
| TypeC | 08-20-2002 12:13 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by tokigiracing [/i]
[B]Glad to hear it plugs right in without any problems!
Anyone interested in a GB on this item? Respond here and show me that there is enough interest and I'll see what I can put together.
Jim
TOKIGI RACING [/B][/QUOTE]
I'm VERY interested. The problem is, this item is being sold at HIGH prices (I've been looking for half a yr so far). The cheapest prices I've found are outside of the US.
So, if we could get this for like $300-400 that'd work. Basically, as cheap as possible (like private GB's).
-C
[B]Glad to hear it plugs right in without any problems!
Anyone interested in a GB on this item? Respond here and show me that there is enough interest and I'll see what I can put together.
Jim
TOKIGI RACING [/B][/QUOTE]
I'm VERY interested. The problem is, this item is being sold at HIGH prices (I've been looking for half a yr so far). The cheapest prices I've found are outside of the US.
So, if we could get this for like $300-400 that'd work. Basically, as cheap as possible (like private GB's).
-C
| CirrusWRX | 08-20-2002 12:18 PM |
Agreed about pricing, and POSSIBLY a way to make the mileage go back to normal.
Even a MPH version from English countries would be cool.
Basically, I want the tach where it belongs -- IN THE CENTER!!!
The shift light is a cool idea too, and maybe a replacement card for the tach that puts in the appropriate red line placement. Jeeze - listen to me, I sound like one of those anal dorks who requests a plate of gold for sitting on my ass.
bottom line - I'd be in.
Even a MPH version from English countries would be cool.
Basically, I want the tach where it belongs -- IN THE CENTER!!!
The shift light is a cool idea too, and maybe a replacement card for the tach that puts in the appropriate red line placement. Jeeze - listen to me, I sound like one of those anal dorks who requests a plate of gold for sitting on my ass.
bottom line - I'd be in.
| MackDaddy | 08-20-2002 03:21 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by CirrusWRX [/i]
[B]Jeeze - listen to me, I sound like one of those anal dorks who requests a plate of gold for sitting on my ass.[/B][/QUOTE]
:lol: :lol:
Hey Jim, I might be interested in a GB for a Euro version. See what you can do there if possible.
L8tr
[B]Jeeze - listen to me, I sound like one of those anal dorks who requests a plate of gold for sitting on my ass.[/B][/QUOTE]
:lol: :lol:
Hey Jim, I might be interested in a GB for a Euro version. See what you can do there if possible.
L8tr
| WAlude | 08-20-2002 06:47 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by MackDaddy [/i]
[B]
OBS, and Outback show outside temperature. :D Should be fairly easy to do / source. Heck, all the parts are USDM!
I'm interested in doing this as well. Who's got the best price on an STI cluster?
Thanks,
Jim
PS - Just checked the electrical systems service manual. Does anyone know if the connector "F78" for the ambient sensor exists on the WRX? It probably does, just wonder where it's at. :) [/B][/QUOTE]
an outback has a sensor.... I'll be ordering one of those tonight :devil:
I don't really know where you can find these for cheap. I got mine from someone who was parting out an imported STI. He sold the engine, tranny, seats, little interior bits.
I picked it up for $250! (An awesome deal IMHO)
[B]
OBS, and Outback show outside temperature. :D Should be fairly easy to do / source. Heck, all the parts are USDM!
I'm interested in doing this as well. Who's got the best price on an STI cluster?
Thanks,
Jim
PS - Just checked the electrical systems service manual. Does anyone know if the connector "F78" for the ambient sensor exists on the WRX? It probably does, just wonder where it's at. :) [/B][/QUOTE]
an outback has a sensor.... I'll be ordering one of those tonight :devil:
I don't really know where you can find these for cheap. I got mine from someone who was parting out an imported STI. He sold the engine, tranny, seats, little interior bits.
I picked it up for $250! (An awesome deal IMHO)
| MackDaddy | 08-20-2002 06:50 PM |
You bastage!
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by WAlude [/i]
[B]
an outback has a sensor.... I'll be ordering one of those tonight :devil:
I don't really know where you can find these for cheap. I got mine from someone who was parting out an imported STI. He sold the engine, tranny, seats, little interior bits.
I picked it up for $250! (An awesome deal IMHO) [/B][/QUOTE]
Tell you what, I'll give ya $300 for it right now. :devil:
No doubt a killer deal, good for you! If you happen to stumble on another deal like that, let me know [email][email protected][/email]
Jim
[B]
an outback has a sensor.... I'll be ordering one of those tonight :devil:
I don't really know where you can find these for cheap. I got mine from someone who was parting out an imported STI. He sold the engine, tranny, seats, little interior bits.
I picked it up for $250! (An awesome deal IMHO) [/B][/QUOTE]
Tell you what, I'll give ya $300 for it right now. :devil:
No doubt a killer deal, good for you! If you happen to stumble on another deal like that, let me know [email][email protected][/email]
Jim
| zacek | 11-29-2002 06:38 PM |
hey WAlude: did that temp. sensor worked for you? Was the wiring already there?
| atomicapples | 11-29-2002 08:02 PM |
i want in on the group buy.
i just want to ask a few questions.
if your sti cluster from japan or from the uk?
what model sti did it come from? from what i hear the ra sti and the prodrive sti have a different cluster and the plugs are different (one has a blue face, and one has a black face like the usdm guage)
if the guage is plug and play, black face im in.
here is a borrowed pic from ebay
[IMG]http://www.demeis.com/images/ebay/cluster.jpg[/IMG]
they also said it works on the usdm cars.
tokigiracing: when can you put together a GB?
ant
i just want to ask a few questions.
if your sti cluster from japan or from the uk?
what model sti did it come from? from what i hear the ra sti and the prodrive sti have a different cluster and the plugs are different (one has a blue face, and one has a black face like the usdm guage)
if the guage is plug and play, black face im in.
here is a borrowed pic from ebay
[IMG]http://www.demeis.com/images/ebay/cluster.jpg[/IMG]
they also said it works on the usdm cars.
tokigiracing: when can you put together a GB?
ant
| zacek | 11-30-2002 02:15 AM |
well, this is confusing, so far we have the following clusters for the WRX:
- WRX STi JDM (reads in Km and tach. is in center and up to 9k)
[IMG]http://www.imprezawrxsti.com/images/gauges%20from%20front.jpg[/IMG]
- WRX STi JDM (same as 1st. but adds center differential settings)
[IMG]http://ebay3.ipixmedia.com/abc/M28/_EBAY_b29da18acb4c9d75d2ee1e6e38410d09/i-1.JPG[/IMG]
- WRX STi JDM v7 (same as above plus revs up to 10k)
[IMG]http://www.rallispec.com/images-pageinfo/thumbRST9994.jpg[/IMG]
- WRX STi JDM prodrive (same as 1st. adds blue back and up to 9k)
[IMG]http://www.impreza.gr.jp/masa/subaru/newageimp2/newage2_28.jpg[/IMG]
- new WRX STi JDM (the new NS cluster with red on black)
[IMG]http://www.subaru.co.jp/impreza/sedan/03/imgs/photo_sti4.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.subaru.co.jp/impreza/sedan/03/imgs/photo_mtr1.gif[/IMG]
anymore we are missing?
- WRX STi JDM (reads in Km and tach. is in center and up to 9k)
[IMG]http://www.imprezawrxsti.com/images/gauges%20from%20front.jpg[/IMG]
- WRX STi JDM (same as 1st. but adds center differential settings)
[IMG]http://ebay3.ipixmedia.com/abc/M28/_EBAY_b29da18acb4c9d75d2ee1e6e38410d09/i-1.JPG[/IMG]
- WRX STi JDM v7 (same as above plus revs up to 10k)
[IMG]http://www.rallispec.com/images-pageinfo/thumbRST9994.jpg[/IMG]
- WRX STi JDM prodrive (same as 1st. adds blue back and up to 9k)
[IMG]http://www.impreza.gr.jp/masa/subaru/newageimp2/newage2_28.jpg[/IMG]
- new WRX STi JDM (the new NS cluster with red on black)
[IMG]http://www.subaru.co.jp/impreza/sedan/03/imgs/photo_sti4.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.subaru.co.jp/impreza/sedan/03/imgs/photo_mtr1.gif[/IMG]
anymore we are missing?
| atomicapples | 11-30-2002 04:19 AM |
gda zerosport cluster ( i think its the same as the ver 7 )
[IMG]http://www.vividracing.com/images/zerosports/zsportwrxcluster.jpg[/IMG]
gda syms cluster ( also the same as the version 7 )
[IMG]http://www.vividracing.com/images/syms/symscluster.jpg[/IMG]
but what i would like to know is the one that works plug and play with the usdm cluster.
btw : these pics are borrowed from vividracing.
[IMG]http://www.vividracing.com/images/zerosports/zsportwrxcluster.jpg[/IMG]
gda syms cluster ( also the same as the version 7 )
[IMG]http://www.vividracing.com/images/syms/symscluster.jpg[/IMG]
but what i would like to know is the one that works plug and play with the usdm cluster.
btw : these pics are borrowed from vividracing.
| SammyDFG | 11-30-2002 06:45 PM |
yessssssssssssss
| MattDell | 12-01-2002 12:43 AM |
You couldn't possibly remove the odometer from the stock guage and put it in the STi guage, could you?
| atomicapples | 12-01-2002 03:44 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SammyDFG [/i]
[B]yessssssssssssss [/B][/QUOTE]
yea to what?
[B]yessssssssssssss [/B][/QUOTE]
yea to what?
| atomicapples | 12-01-2002 03:45 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Cobreth [/i]
[B]You couldn't possibly remove the odometer from the stock guage and put it in the STi guage, could you? [/B][/QUOTE]
then you would have 2 rpm guages? dont make sense...
[B]You couldn't possibly remove the odometer from the stock guage and put it in the STi guage, could you? [/B][/QUOTE]
then you would have 2 rpm guages? dont make sense...
| Frederf | 12-01-2002 06:04 AM |
Just the Odometer, he means... so your ODO would stay the same #.
| MattDell | 12-01-2002 01:05 PM |
Yeah, I have no clue how it's attached to the cluster, but the numbers are burned into some kind of memory, so if you disconnected all power to it, the odometer woulnd't reset. That way you could just re-attach it onto the STi cluster. It might involve some soldering, and someone will balls to do it, but it could work, no?
| atomicapples | 12-01-2002 01:55 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Cobreth [/i]
[B]Yeah, I have no clue how it's attached to the cluster, but the numbers are burned into some kind of memory, so if you disconnected all power to it, the odometer woulnd't reset. That way you could just re-attach it onto the STi cluster. It might involve some soldering, and someone will balls to do it, but it could work, no? [/B][/QUOTE]
personally i wouldnt mess with it. dont want to mess anything up.
[B]Yeah, I have no clue how it's attached to the cluster, but the numbers are burned into some kind of memory, so if you disconnected all power to it, the odometer woulnd't reset. That way you could just re-attach it onto the STi cluster. It might involve some soldering, and someone will balls to do it, but it could work, no? [/B][/QUOTE]
personally i wouldnt mess with it. dont want to mess anything up.
| Frederf | 12-01-2002 03:48 PM |
All the stuff is on the PCB... I doubt it's possible to trade just the ODO window (or just the part that keeps milage... whatever it is)
| BLCK DVL | 12-01-2002 04:33 PM |
The solution is simple. Note your miles at the time of replacement, note the number of KM on your new odometer, when you put it up for sale, convert the number of km you have traveled and add it to the original miles. Just be honest with the buyer or tell them that you will put the stocker back on before the transaction is complete, but they should know how many miles are really on it.
Also do not take it in to Subaru for servicing after installing a JDM cluster, EVER.
Also do not take it in to Subaru for servicing after installing a JDM cluster, EVER.
| Frederf | 12-01-2002 10:32 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by BLCK DVL [/i]
[B]The solution is simple. Note your miles at the time of replacement, note the number of KM on your new odometer, when you put it up for sale, convert the number of km you have traveled and add it to the original miles. Just be honest with the buyer or tell them that you will put the stocker back on before the transaction is complete, but they should know how many miles are really on it.
Also do not take it in to Subaru for servicing after installing a JDM cluster, EVER. [/B][/QUOTE]
The problem with that is in some states you can't the milage officially recorded. So your car is "mileage unknown" which hurts resale. Also, I think the JDM cluster ODO records in miles, not kilometers.
[B]The solution is simple. Note your miles at the time of replacement, note the number of KM on your new odometer, when you put it up for sale, convert the number of km you have traveled and add it to the original miles. Just be honest with the buyer or tell them that you will put the stocker back on before the transaction is complete, but they should know how many miles are really on it.
Also do not take it in to Subaru for servicing after installing a JDM cluster, EVER. [/B][/QUOTE]
The problem with that is in some states you can't the milage officially recorded. So your car is "mileage unknown" which hurts resale. Also, I think the JDM cluster ODO records in miles, not kilometers.
| NeoGeo | 12-01-2002 10:44 PM |
[QUOTE]Also, I think the JDM cluster ODO records in miles, not kilometers.[/QUOTE]
Uhm, I think JDM reads kilo, and US reads mile?
Why are we in such a hurry to source a stil cluster from UK or Japan? Isn't the Sti going to be here in several month? Can't we just get it from US dealers then?
Uhm, I think JDM reads kilo, and US reads mile?
Why are we in such a hurry to source a stil cluster from UK or Japan? Isn't the Sti going to be here in several month? Can't we just get it from US dealers then?
| atomicapples | 12-02-2002 02:54 AM |
let me ask you guys something.
isnt the miles recorded on the ECU instead of the cluster?
isnt the miles recorded on the ECU instead of the cluster?
| Javabean2 | 12-02-2002 03:57 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by atomicapples [/i]
[B]let me ask you guys something.
isnt the miles recorded on the ECU instead of the cluster? [/B][/QUOTE]
Nope, the odometer readings are recorded in the instrument cluster and NOT the ecu :)
[B]let me ask you guys something.
isnt the miles recorded on the ECU instead of the cluster? [/B][/QUOTE]
Nope, the odometer readings are recorded in the instrument cluster and NOT the ecu :)
| Frederf | 12-02-2002 05:03 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by atomicapples [/i]
[B]let me ask you guys something.
isnt the miles recorded on the ECU instead of the cluster? [/B][/QUOTE]
That would have it's plusses and minuses.
1. You could swtich out guage clusters and retain the exact same milage.
2. You might not be able to do some ECU tampering for more power.
It's all moot anyway, the guage cluster records the milage. That's why I doubt I'll get an STi cluster is that I couldn't stand to have anything off like that.
[B]let me ask you guys something.
isnt the miles recorded on the ECU instead of the cluster? [/B][/QUOTE]
That would have it's plusses and minuses.
1. You could swtich out guage clusters and retain the exact same milage.
2. You might not be able to do some ECU tampering for more power.
It's all moot anyway, the guage cluster records the milage. That's why I doubt I'll get an STi cluster is that I couldn't stand to have anything off like that.
| b00st3d | 12-04-2002 11:44 PM |
180km/h on the regular sti cluster? isnt that only like 110mph?
| John C | 12-05-2002 11:17 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by methadon [/i]
[B]180km/h on the regular sti cluster? isnt that only like 110mph? [/B][/QUOTE]
All JDM vehicles are speed restricted to 112mph (or maybe 114, I forget), so anything over 180km/h isn't much use.
I used to have an RVF400 (16,000rpm redline, baby!) that would hit 130mph after you disconnected one wire.
[B]180km/h on the regular sti cluster? isnt that only like 110mph? [/B][/QUOTE]
All JDM vehicles are speed restricted to 112mph (or maybe 114, I forget), so anything over 180km/h isn't much use.
I used to have an RVF400 (16,000rpm redline, baby!) that would hit 130mph after you disconnected one wire.
| WAlude | 12-05-2002 03:37 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by methadon [/i]
[B]180km/h on the regular sti cluster? isnt that only like 110mph? [/B][/QUOTE]
Yes.
And it's damn fun because it looks like you are going so damn fast all the time :p
But the car isn't limited by the speedo. The speedo simply keeps going down across the odometer.
And to answer someone else question for the 30th time. the mileage is not kept in the ECU or anywhere else.
The mileage (like every single car ever manufactured) is kept in the odometer. That is why it is an odometer, it counts distance. :monkey:
[B]180km/h on the regular sti cluster? isnt that only like 110mph? [/B][/QUOTE]
Yes.
And it's damn fun because it looks like you are going so damn fast all the time :p
But the car isn't limited by the speedo. The speedo simply keeps going down across the odometer.
And to answer someone else question for the 30th time. the mileage is not kept in the ECU or anywhere else.
The mileage (like every single car ever manufactured) is kept in the odometer. That is why it is an odometer, it counts distance. :monkey:
| Frederf | 12-05-2002 07:16 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by WAlude [/i]
[B]The mileage (like every single car ever manufactured) is kept in the odometer. That is why it is an odometer, it counts distance. :monkey: [/B][/QUOTE]
What do you define as the odometer? Is it the LCD display or some chip imbedded in the circuit board behind the guage cluster?
Is it possible to transplant?
[B]The mileage (like every single car ever manufactured) is kept in the odometer. That is why it is an odometer, it counts distance. :monkey: [/B][/QUOTE]
What do you define as the odometer? Is it the LCD display or some chip imbedded in the circuit board behind the guage cluster?
Is it possible to transplant?
| lenyx | 12-05-2002 08:05 PM |
I have one on the way that I'm going to try and take apart to see if I can figure out whether a transplant of odometer/conversion to mph is possible. I have a couple theories about how to go about it, but won't know for sure until it's in my hands sometime early next week.
| mtb_dude | 12-06-2002 12:14 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by NeoGeo [/i]
[B]
Why are we in such a hurry to source a stil cluster from UK or Japan? Isn't the Sti going to be here in several month? Can't we just get it from US dealers then? [/B][/QUOTE]
I think that's the best idea. I don't know about you, no matter how official it looks, you're gonna scare people away with inconsistant milage. They'll think something is shady. I can wait until a USDM STi comes here.
[B]
Why are we in such a hurry to source a stil cluster from UK or Japan? Isn't the Sti going to be here in several month? Can't we just get it from US dealers then? [/B][/QUOTE]
I think that's the best idea. I don't know about you, no matter how official it looks, you're gonna scare people away with inconsistant milage. They'll think something is shady. I can wait until a USDM STi comes here.
| Frederf | 12-06-2002 10:23 AM |
Unless lennyx is sucessful, cluster swaps will reset your milage... doesn't matter where the part came from.
| zacek | 12-06-2002 08:01 PM |
unless u have professional soldering mini-tools and eletronic knowledge and the ability to pry out nad resolder a microchip there is nothing you can do about the Km/Mile issue. I already opened my 2 clusters (US and JDM) and there is nothing to do, everything is on a single PCB board and they all feed off 1 single wire which comes off the tranny. The built-in chip is what powers the LCD's and does the KM and MILE converstions. It can be done but with professional personnel and a big budget.
| lenyx | 12-06-2002 08:45 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by zacek [/i]
[B]unless u have professional soldering mini-tools and eletronic knowledge and the ability to pry out nad resolder a microchip there is nothing you can do about the Km/Mile issue. I already opened my 2 clusters (US and JDM) and there is nothing to do, everything is on a single PCB board and they all feed off 1 single wire which comes off the tranny. The built-in chip is what powers the LCD's and does the KM and MILE converstions. It can be done but with professional personnel and a big budget. [/B][/QUOTE]
That's pretty much what I was expecting. This is good news :D
[B]unless u have professional soldering mini-tools and eletronic knowledge and the ability to pry out nad resolder a microchip there is nothing you can do about the Km/Mile issue. I already opened my 2 clusters (US and JDM) and there is nothing to do, everything is on a single PCB board and they all feed off 1 single wire which comes off the tranny. The built-in chip is what powers the LCD's and does the KM and MILE converstions. It can be done but with professional personnel and a big budget. [/B][/QUOTE]
That's pretty much what I was expecting. This is good news :D
| mtb_dude | 12-07-2002 01:06 PM |
Bad Design
That pretty much stinks. Why couldn't the odo module be self contained so that you could solder off its leads and transplant it to a new cluster? The tranny wire could go in normally to the cluster, but the whole calculation and memory storage would be on the odo itself.
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