| Ozymandias | 09-26-2003 06:26 PM |
Rally Cross
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Any suggestions or tips on preparing or performing in rally cross?
The last few I've been to I've done ok, but those darn wrx's have really got my 2.2 beat on the horsepower.
I love this dancing banana!
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The last few I've been to I've done ok, but those darn wrx's have really got my 2.2 beat on the horsepower.
I love this dancing banana!
:banana:
| RB5 Clone | 09-26-2003 08:42 PM |
cost-effective rallyX upgrades
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them Rexes understeer like piggies, they are highly overrated. Older Imps rule om the twisties! Make time in the turns, maintain your speed, and you won't lose so much to turbo cars on the straight bits. learn to pitch car sideways to control speed instead of braking (see upgrade #2 below) and you will spank the clueless kids with faster cars.
#1 upgrade) best way for u to beat Rexes with 2.2 is to get ALL your hp to the gravel. Go straight to junkyard and get some used scooby alloy rims. Then call Tire Rack and get a set of gravel tires. Kumhos are $84 each in 195/65-15 size. dont try bigger (like 205s), they will be too large diameter for the stock gearing to handle and will actually hurt your speed. You won't believe how much better the car hooks up with sharp knobbies on.
#2 upgrade) driver software....ie, get yer hiney to a rally school. learning how to drive sideways will get you more speed for less $$ than anything you can do to the car. Well, schools ain't cheap, but keep your eyes open at Team O'Neil (NH) or VIR EuroRally (VA) or the school in FLA, they have one- or 2-day courses that are affordable.
#3 upgrade) better seat belts help, a lot. try one of those baby-seat clips on your stock 3-point belts, that'll let you cinch yourself down and concentrate on spanking your car instead of hanging on for dear life. the clip goes just above the stock buckle. get the clip at any store that sells child restraint seats.
#4) skid plates: primitive racing sells bolt-on front plate and rear diff protector that let you dive into rutted turns without tearing out the expensive stuff underneath. full armor will run less than $500
#5) scour the junkyards and find a stock limited-slip diff. later model foresters and 2.5 RSs have em. make sure replacement diff is same final-drive ratio as yours, or you'll cook the center diff and have to replace your gearbox, too!
#6) a cheap spring upgrade is to use Outback Sport (wagon) springs, they're heavier-duty than the stock Impreza ones and give you crucial extra bit of ground clearance. more junkyard searching...
lots more stuff, but that's a start!
We tested all this stuff with our rally team, learned the hard way. Now we're winning rallyxes and running ProRallies as well.
cheers,
Dave G.
#1 upgrade) best way for u to beat Rexes with 2.2 is to get ALL your hp to the gravel. Go straight to junkyard and get some used scooby alloy rims. Then call Tire Rack and get a set of gravel tires. Kumhos are $84 each in 195/65-15 size. dont try bigger (like 205s), they will be too large diameter for the stock gearing to handle and will actually hurt your speed. You won't believe how much better the car hooks up with sharp knobbies on.
#2 upgrade) driver software....ie, get yer hiney to a rally school. learning how to drive sideways will get you more speed for less $$ than anything you can do to the car. Well, schools ain't cheap, but keep your eyes open at Team O'Neil (NH) or VIR EuroRally (VA) or the school in FLA, they have one- or 2-day courses that are affordable.
#3 upgrade) better seat belts help, a lot. try one of those baby-seat clips on your stock 3-point belts, that'll let you cinch yourself down and concentrate on spanking your car instead of hanging on for dear life. the clip goes just above the stock buckle. get the clip at any store that sells child restraint seats.
#4) skid plates: primitive racing sells bolt-on front plate and rear diff protector that let you dive into rutted turns without tearing out the expensive stuff underneath. full armor will run less than $500
#5) scour the junkyards and find a stock limited-slip diff. later model foresters and 2.5 RSs have em. make sure replacement diff is same final-drive ratio as yours, or you'll cook the center diff and have to replace your gearbox, too!
#6) a cheap spring upgrade is to use Outback Sport (wagon) springs, they're heavier-duty than the stock Impreza ones and give you crucial extra bit of ground clearance. more junkyard searching...
lots more stuff, but that's a start!
We tested all this stuff with our rally team, learned the hard way. Now we're winning rallyxes and running ProRallies as well.
cheers,
Dave G.
| rupertberr | 09-27-2003 10:29 AM |
Wait a second, you beat all the WRX's and an Sti at the last event!;)
I think your doing pretty good. Tires are the most important but I am not sure rally tires are best on a slow RallyCross course. I think they are too heavy coming out of tight hairpins. The turbo cars might have more horsepower but it is harder to modulate compared to the N/A cars. I traded cars for fun runs and felt the 2.5 handled better and came out of corners smoother then a WRX. There was only one short straight where the WRX had a useful horsepower advantage.
PGT#1;)
I think your doing pretty good. Tires are the most important but I am not sure rally tires are best on a slow RallyCross course. I think they are too heavy coming out of tight hairpins. The turbo cars might have more horsepower but it is harder to modulate compared to the N/A cars. I traded cars for fun runs and felt the 2.5 handled better and came out of corners smoother then a WRX. There was only one short straight where the WRX had a useful horsepower advantage.
PGT#1;)
| KeithRS | 09-27-2003 12:39 PM |
Depending on the course and conditions, I think light weight is a better advantage than more horsepower (look at the G2 cars, and at how well some people have driven Miatas in the ice races). While the right equipment gives somewhat of an advantage, there is a lot of room for us to drive faster- I always feel like I blew it (usually running over cones in the process), and I can always do better by focusing on driving smoothly and maintaining my speed through corners. The best I can suggest is to practice being smooth, and play a lot of [URL=http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00008K2XH/002-5686630-5402447]Colin McRae Rally[/URL].
Oh, and run good snow tires in a few weeks here when it starts snowing. Speaking of which, I have a set of worn Arctic Alpins taking up space in my garage here in Golden- if somebody wants them, they are free (did I mention they are worn?).
Oh, and run good snow tires in a few weeks here when it starts snowing. Speaking of which, I have a set of worn Arctic Alpins taking up space in my garage here in Golden- if somebody wants them, they are free (did I mention they are worn?).
| Ozymandias | 09-27-2003 05:04 PM |
thanks for the adv. i always try to concentrate on being smooth more than anything else but i [I]feel[/I] so slow. and no one was more surprised than i with the results, but if you remove cone penalties it makes the results a lot tighter.
maybe it was just my perception but i always felt slow out there when i would drive and then watch others.
the main reason i'm concerned about improving is that i would like to try club next year but i have to have a good reason other than it's fun to justify the costs of car prep and entrance fees.
is there anyplace you guys practice and how long does it take to get to the next rallyx event in pueblo?
ps2-colin mcrae 3 - rules!
maybe it was just my perception but i always felt slow out there when i would drive and then watch others.
the main reason i'm concerned about improving is that i would like to try club next year but i have to have a good reason other than it's fun to justify the costs of car prep and entrance fees.
is there anyplace you guys practice and how long does it take to get to the next rallyx event in pueblo?
ps2-colin mcrae 3 - rules!
| Ozymandias | 09-27-2003 05:05 PM |
hope to see you guys at pueblo next sunday!!:banana:
| KeithRS | 09-27-2003 07:08 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Ozymandias [/i]
[B]is there anyplace you guys practice and how long does it take to get to the next rallyx event in pueblo?
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I don't know if I will make it to pueblo, but I should be there at the next one (fountain).
As far as practicing, I don't really know of a good (i.e. legal) place to do it, but I do know where some twisty roads are... Of course, the first gear stuff we do at the local rallycrosses tends to be something you wouldn't normally do. Rallycross is not rally- there were no first gear slaloms at the Cog this year (or any other rally, for that matter). Maybe autocross helps- rallycross and autocross are the only motorsports where you could use a car with only first and second gear...
-Keith (PGT #3)
[B]is there anyplace you guys practice and how long does it take to get to the next rallyx event in pueblo?
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I don't know if I will make it to pueblo, but I should be there at the next one (fountain).
As far as practicing, I don't really know of a good (i.e. legal) place to do it, but I do know where some twisty roads are... Of course, the first gear stuff we do at the local rallycrosses tends to be something you wouldn't normally do. Rallycross is not rally- there were no first gear slaloms at the Cog this year (or any other rally, for that matter). Maybe autocross helps- rallycross and autocross are the only motorsports where you could use a car with only first and second gear...
-Keith (PGT #3)
| cowapult | 09-28-2003 01:45 PM |
Where I rallyX, WRX's get destroyed CONSTANTLY by FWD cars with half the horsepower that are over 10 years old.
Definition of LOOKING fast = watching too much WRC, entering turns fast, and drifting to a standstill.
Don't sweat it if you are beating them. Besides, you will learn more in a slower car because you can't rely on horsepower to make up for your sloppiness.
Definition of LOOKING fast = watching too much WRC, entering turns fast, and drifting to a standstill.
Don't sweat it if you are beating them. Besides, you will learn more in a slower car because you can't rely on horsepower to make up for your sloppiness.
| Epyon | 09-28-2003 02:53 PM |
What do you guys think about the Outback Sport?
I have one (lightly modded with only front and rear strut braces), and I really want to get into rallying.
I have one (lightly modded with only front and rear strut braces), and I really want to get into rallying.
| Fred | 09-28-2003 08:07 PM |
Horsepower doesn't matter. See this thread:
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=428341[/url]
and look at the overall results. Where are the WRXes? What car won overall? What car was second? Those guys were 1st and 2nd because THEY are fast, not because they drive a WRX. (Luscious is actually Matthew, a current ProRally VW driver, and Carl Fisher is an ex-rally driver who's just damn good)
I finish pretty well at autox, too, but it's a much different sport. If you drift your car through gates autoxing, you'll be slow, but you have to when rallyxing to go fast. This was my first rallyx event, so what I did was practice trying to control slides while maintaining momentum in the field before the event (my mom owns the land, so I get to play whenever I want!). Of course, it was all grass at that point, so it was a LOT different from the rutted dirt that the course turned into. The first couple of runs on the actual course, I just practiced pendulum turning the car and seeing how it reacted to varying levels of brake, gas and steering, and by the time we turned the course around and made some changes to it for afternoon, I knew that I could throw the car into a certain turn at around 40-50mph (guessing at speed; I went by "feel") with a lift/turn/floor it, and the car would take the line I wanted, then I could pendulum turn right into the next one with a little brake and a downshift. I also got some tips from the rally guys, including Anders Green (anders88 on this forum), who rode along with me (on my worst run, of course :rolleyes: ) If you have any rally guys in your area, just go up and talk to them and ask them to ride along and help you go fast.
As far as the car is concerned, I had the stock swaybars, the stock wheels with 2 day old street tires (everybody had to use street tires), and STi V5 RA springs with KYB AGXes. The car felt great, and all I had to do was go out there and point & squirt! So now, I'm thinking about getting a 2.2L Impreza and using it for rallyx, so I don't have to worry about potentially breaking something on the RS. ;) In other words, I think you should be fine with the car you're driving... ;)
Good luck!
Kevin Allen
edit: forgot to mention... RALLYX IS THE MOST FUN EVAR! I'm going to be doing this every chance I get! Whooohoo!
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=428341[/url]
and look at the overall results. Where are the WRXes? What car won overall? What car was second? Those guys were 1st and 2nd because THEY are fast, not because they drive a WRX. (Luscious is actually Matthew, a current ProRally VW driver, and Carl Fisher is an ex-rally driver who's just damn good)
I finish pretty well at autox, too, but it's a much different sport. If you drift your car through gates autoxing, you'll be slow, but you have to when rallyxing to go fast. This was my first rallyx event, so what I did was practice trying to control slides while maintaining momentum in the field before the event (my mom owns the land, so I get to play whenever I want!). Of course, it was all grass at that point, so it was a LOT different from the rutted dirt that the course turned into. The first couple of runs on the actual course, I just practiced pendulum turning the car and seeing how it reacted to varying levels of brake, gas and steering, and by the time we turned the course around and made some changes to it for afternoon, I knew that I could throw the car into a certain turn at around 40-50mph (guessing at speed; I went by "feel") with a lift/turn/floor it, and the car would take the line I wanted, then I could pendulum turn right into the next one with a little brake and a downshift. I also got some tips from the rally guys, including Anders Green (anders88 on this forum), who rode along with me (on my worst run, of course :rolleyes: ) If you have any rally guys in your area, just go up and talk to them and ask them to ride along and help you go fast.
As far as the car is concerned, I had the stock swaybars, the stock wheels with 2 day old street tires (everybody had to use street tires), and STi V5 RA springs with KYB AGXes. The car felt great, and all I had to do was go out there and point & squirt! So now, I'm thinking about getting a 2.2L Impreza and using it for rallyx, so I don't have to worry about potentially breaking something on the RS. ;) In other words, I think you should be fine with the car you're driving... ;)
Good luck!
Kevin Allen
edit: forgot to mention... RALLYX IS THE MOST FUN EVAR! I'm going to be doing this every chance I get! Whooohoo!
| Penguinking | 09-28-2003 11:02 PM |
when/ where is the next event? i wanna go!!!
Robert
Robert
| Fred | 09-29-2003 11:00 AM |
If you're talking to me, where = at my house & when is up to the club officers. And I need to get the field smoothed out, I guess, so it's partially up to me, too. :) But I don't think it would be worth a trip from Houston, so you might want to find one closer by. :D
| 10th Warrior | 09-29-2003 11:40 AM |
i drive it like an auto-x (GS car with R700s). don't slide the car alot. that's slow. and remember, distance is time. stay in tight.
as for which is better, a GM6 or a WRX, its hard to say. at the last St. Louis Region event, i drove my car and a basically stock WRX on Pirellis back to back. my car pushes more, but i can take a tighter line. the WRX is hesitant to turn in at first, but once it does, its very easy to rotate, which is nice, however it just can't take that tight line like the lighter RS can. and then there is the turbo lag. it kills me. just horrible. but then boost comes and you have hp, which the RS doesn't. but then the RS has shorter gears. its kind of a toss up. depends on your driving style i guess. then again, when it hasn't been a mud bog, the only way i've lost to a (heavily moddified) WRX was thanks to that damn rutted up stop box. grr. now, once someone swaps some STi 4 pots onto a STi and runs real tires, the RS domination will be done. no lag in that monkey :D the EVO is alot of fun too. best handling car on dirt i've ever driven, bar none. granted, i only rode in the STi...
as for which is better, a GM6 or a WRX, its hard to say. at the last St. Louis Region event, i drove my car and a basically stock WRX on Pirellis back to back. my car pushes more, but i can take a tighter line. the WRX is hesitant to turn in at first, but once it does, its very easy to rotate, which is nice, however it just can't take that tight line like the lighter RS can. and then there is the turbo lag. it kills me. just horrible. but then boost comes and you have hp, which the RS doesn't. but then the RS has shorter gears. its kind of a toss up. depends on your driving style i guess. then again, when it hasn't been a mud bog, the only way i've lost to a (heavily moddified) WRX was thanks to that damn rutted up stop box. grr. now, once someone swaps some STi 4 pots onto a STi and runs real tires, the RS domination will be done. no lag in that monkey :D the EVO is alot of fun too. best handling car on dirt i've ever driven, bar none. granted, i only rode in the STi...
| thechickencow | 09-29-2003 12:00 PM |
I'd take a RS over a WRX for rallyx I think, I don't think the turbo benefits actually help all that much for most courses, and when you get lag its just plain horrible.
tcc
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| rupertberr | 09-29-2003 12:15 PM |
RallyCross #10 is this Sunday at Peublo Motorsports Park. Probably a 15 hour drive from Houston.:)
This is our biggest lot, relatively smooth with gradual elavation change. The tight corners will break up but there is a hard surface underneath.
This is our biggest lot, relatively smooth with gradual elavation change. The tight corners will break up but there is a hard surface underneath.
| Fred | 09-29-2003 12:19 PM |
[QUOTE]i drive it like an auto-x (GS car with R700s). don't slide the car alot. that's slow. and remember, distance is time. stay in tight.[/QUOTE]
I started out sliding a lot more than I ended up sliding. It was interesting to see how the drifting sometimes kills your momentum and takes you way off the proper line. You have to just get it in there at the right speed to avoid going wide and having to lose momentum. After watching the rally guys drive the course, I changed to just sliding the car into certain corners to rotate it, and following a more autox-like line in the tighter stuff. Really felt a lot like a fast autox run the last couple of runs there, except for the parts where I was steering with the throttle. When I'm autoxing, I rarely have the steering wheel centered when I'm going through a corner! ;)
I know I have much to learn, but it sure is going to be a lot of fun learning it... and now that I have my own personal course in the field next to my house, the learning curve should really take off!
:banana:
I started out sliding a lot more than I ended up sliding. It was interesting to see how the drifting sometimes kills your momentum and takes you way off the proper line. You have to just get it in there at the right speed to avoid going wide and having to lose momentum. After watching the rally guys drive the course, I changed to just sliding the car into certain corners to rotate it, and following a more autox-like line in the tighter stuff. Really felt a lot like a fast autox run the last couple of runs there, except for the parts where I was steering with the throttle. When I'm autoxing, I rarely have the steering wheel centered when I'm going through a corner! ;)
I know I have much to learn, but it sure is going to be a lot of fun learning it... and now that I have my own personal course in the field next to my house, the learning curve should really take off!
:banana:
| Penguinking | 09-29-2003 12:30 PM |
(i moved to athens a couple of months ago...forgot to change my profile ;))
| Fred | 09-29-2003 12:38 PM |
Oh, was that you in the other rallyx thread last week (in the SE forum)? I'm pretty sure I can guarantee that anybody who drives that far will get enough "fun runs" to make the trip worthwhile...
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| Penguinking | 09-29-2003 12:41 PM |
i don't think that was me...
but i am somewhat "known" for having driven all the way from houston to savannah to run Roebling Road one weekend with the Porsche owners club.
(even though i was also visiting some friends there, the "main" event was the HPDE)
but i am somewhat "known" for having driven all the way from houston to savannah to run Roebling Road one weekend with the Porsche owners club.
(even though i was also visiting some friends there, the "main" event was the HPDE)
| 10th Warrior | 09-29-2003 04:40 PM |
[QUOTE]I started out sliding a lot more than I ended up sliding[/QUOTE]
yeah, when i started out i would bacically be flicking into every corner. granted, i was on bald ass street tires at the time and had to do something to get the car to turn, but it was still slow. i'm not saying i don't slide the car at all now, its just considerably less, sometimes not at all for some corners. its faster to just give it up, brake early, turn in, gas it, apex tight and squirt off to the next corner. hopefully soon, i'll have video of our last rally-x online. there is one of me doing a fun run, really shows what i'm talking about.
yeah, when i started out i would bacically be flicking into every corner. granted, i was on bald ass street tires at the time and had to do something to get the car to turn, but it was still slow. i'm not saying i don't slide the car at all now, its just considerably less, sometimes not at all for some corners. its faster to just give it up, brake early, turn in, gas it, apex tight and squirt off to the next corner. hopefully soon, i'll have video of our last rally-x online. there is one of me doing a fun run, really shows what i'm talking about.
| Recce03 | 09-30-2003 02:03 AM |
Rally X Mania
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Bottoms up for all the Rally x enthusiasts!!! I've been reading this thread and am amazed! All the smack i here about the WRX out there on the Rally x courses. I don't know how its done out east but out here in the western states, Rexes have dominated since there debut! My team mate Scott G. (Recce 01) of the GRAVEL CREW RALLY TEAM took the Championship in 2002 in his WRX and for this year i'm already so far ahead in points i could retire for the year and still take the championship! Don't get me wrong, the little two wheel drives are really fast if driven properly, but the WRX's are faster,,,,,,,,,, if driven properly. UNDERSTEER, for example, is driver error, not a problem the WRX's have (Try a little left foot braking and a touch of throttle control) . Turbo Lag is overcome with a little clutch action coming out of the corners. Usually not a problem w/RE 92's, just watch out for the ruts! Remember, Don't cross your arms (ever), and don't let go of the steering wheel.
Rally On,
Recce 03
The Gravel Crew
Check this out if you are into cages!
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=428869[/url]
[url]www.gravelcrew.com[/url]
Rally On,
Recce 03
The Gravel Crew
Check this out if you are into cages!
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=428869[/url]
[url]www.gravelcrew.com[/url]
| akuhner | 09-30-2003 09:35 AM |
Re: Rally X Mania
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Recce03 [/i]
[B]Bottoms up for all the Rally x enthusiasts!!! I've been reading this thread and am amazed! All the smack i here about the WRX out there on the Rally x courses. [/B][/QUOTE]
At [URL=http://www.rallyparknortheast.com]RPNE[/URL] WRXs are easy to beat, if they ever show up. Most WRX guys think it's too rough there. I think I've been beaten by one WRX there in 6+ events, and a WRX has never won (not counting the '95 WRX RA since that's not really the WRX we are talking about!).
Alex
[B]Bottoms up for all the Rally x enthusiasts!!! I've been reading this thread and am amazed! All the smack i here about the WRX out there on the Rally x courses. [/B][/QUOTE]
At [URL=http://www.rallyparknortheast.com]RPNE[/URL] WRXs are easy to beat, if they ever show up. Most WRX guys think it's too rough there. I think I've been beaten by one WRX there in 6+ events, and a WRX has never won (not counting the '95 WRX RA since that's not really the WRX we are talking about!).
Alex
| rupertberr | 09-30-2003 10:15 AM |
Here are the top 25 in PGT Points after nine rounds. Followed by class wins and out of class wins (ie some also run in Open and we have a shoot out for FTD by all class winners.)
Subaru WRX Wagon (1-2) Me
Subaru Impreza 2.5RS (2) KeithRS
Mitsubishi Eclipse/VR4 (3-3) Pro Driver
Eagle Talon Pro Driver
Subaru WRX Wagon (1)
Subaru WRX Wagon (1)
Toyota 4R
Subaru Impreza 2.2
VW Quantum
Subaru Forester
Eagle Talon (1-3) Pro Driver
Subaru Legacy
Mitsubishi Eclipse
Subaru WRX Wagon
Subaru WRX Wagon
Subaru Outback
Subaru WRX Wagon
Mitsubishi GSX Pro Driver
Ford Explorer
Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS
Subaru WRX Sedan
Subaru Outback
VW Corrado
Subaru STi
Subaru WRX Wagon
Subaru 2.5RS
Not everyone competes in every event so we have some odd cars that are high in points like the Toyota 4R who finishes poorly but shows up to alot of events. The second Eagle Talon has moved on to Open. Notice all but one of the top WRX's are wagons. Pro Drivers are guys who also compete in money paying series and Hill Climbs on a regular basis. It really depends on the type of courses we are running. The last one was very tight including an off camber 360. It was designed by a Mini driver! Not WRX friendly. The one before that had 4 good straights which were good for the WRX's but still not long enough for the EVO's.
Subaru WRX Wagon (1-2) Me
Subaru Impreza 2.5RS (2) KeithRS
Mitsubishi Eclipse/VR4 (3-3) Pro Driver
Eagle Talon Pro Driver
Subaru WRX Wagon (1)
Subaru WRX Wagon (1)
Toyota 4R
Subaru Impreza 2.2
VW Quantum
Subaru Forester
Eagle Talon (1-3) Pro Driver
Subaru Legacy
Mitsubishi Eclipse
Subaru WRX Wagon
Subaru WRX Wagon
Subaru Outback
Subaru WRX Wagon
Mitsubishi GSX Pro Driver
Ford Explorer
Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS
Subaru WRX Sedan
Subaru Outback
VW Corrado
Subaru STi
Subaru WRX Wagon
Subaru 2.5RS
Not everyone competes in every event so we have some odd cars that are high in points like the Toyota 4R who finishes poorly but shows up to alot of events. The second Eagle Talon has moved on to Open. Notice all but one of the top WRX's are wagons. Pro Drivers are guys who also compete in money paying series and Hill Climbs on a regular basis. It really depends on the type of courses we are running. The last one was very tight including an off camber 360. It was designed by a Mini driver! Not WRX friendly. The one before that had 4 good straights which were good for the WRX's but still not long enough for the EVO's.
| rupertberr | 09-30-2003 10:28 AM |
Re: Re: Rally X Mania
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Car #187 [/i]
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WRXs are easy to beat.
Alex [/B][/QUOTE]
Yes, I would think they are easy to beat, since there aren't any!:lol:
I like the Mercedes though.:D
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WRXs are easy to beat.
Alex [/B][/QUOTE]
Yes, I would think they are easy to beat, since there aren't any!:lol:
I like the Mercedes though.:D
| Ozymandias | 09-30-2003 03:36 PM |
air time?!?
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hey Car # 187,
i went to your website and then followed the link to this
[url]http://www.rallyplanet.com/?pid=15768[/url]
how is it that this happened?
[url]http://www.rallyplanet.com/index.php?&pid=15800[/url]
:eek:
i thought rally-x rules stated that dips that could get a car airborne shoudn't be included? unless this isn't rally-x and is something else that i'm not aware of or it's not scca....
just curious
thanks!
i went to your website and then followed the link to this
[url]http://www.rallyplanet.com/?pid=15768[/url]
how is it that this happened?
[url]http://www.rallyplanet.com/index.php?&pid=15800[/url]
:eek:
i thought rally-x rules stated that dips that could get a car airborne shoudn't be included? unless this isn't rally-x and is something else that i'm not aware of or it's not scca....
just curious
thanks!
| akuhner | 09-30-2003 10:57 PM |
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| akuhner | 09-30-2003 10:59 PM |
That Legacy still has one wheel on the ground, that doesn't count! :devil: We didn't have anything to fill the dip with. It is an SCCA event and the site has been "blessed" by higher ups (don't ask what that means, that's all I was told).
This is me:
[url]http://www.rallyplanet.com/index.php?&pid=15777[/url]
FUN!
Alex
This is me:
[url]http://www.rallyplanet.com/index.php?&pid=15777[/url]
FUN!
Alex
| RB5 Clone | 09-30-2003 11:27 PM |
rallyx adventures
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Even tho rallyx courses are "usually" set up so they won't eat street cars doesn't mean they ain't pretty wild at times. Here's a pic from last weekend's notorious mudfest at Vermont SportsCar RallyX in Burlington, VT....[IMG]http://www.onalimbracing.com/gallery2/view_photo.php?set_albumName=2003vtcarrallyx&id=IMG_0731_001[/IMG]
There were several box-stock cars stalling out on the course. A few got stuck in the mud. Nearly everyone mowed over cones while hopelessly understeering in the muck. All got extremely dirty, and loaded up with mud in places the owners never knew collected grime.
I run a ClubRally prepped RS in these events, and have taken some wicked hits underneath from big rocks that crop up as the ruts get deeper...hate to have them things whack my street car, there's expensive stuff hanging down under there!
If you want to run many rallyxes (and still be able to drive your car home), at least get some skid plates. On sandy/soft gravel courses, people with street tires often roll em right off the rims...so get some gravel tires (or for stock classes get some light-truck snows with gnarly sidewalls)
cheers,
Dave G
There were several box-stock cars stalling out on the course. A few got stuck in the mud. Nearly everyone mowed over cones while hopelessly understeering in the muck. All got extremely dirty, and loaded up with mud in places the owners never knew collected grime.
I run a ClubRally prepped RS in these events, and have taken some wicked hits underneath from big rocks that crop up as the ruts get deeper...hate to have them things whack my street car, there's expensive stuff hanging down under there!
If you want to run many rallyxes (and still be able to drive your car home), at least get some skid plates. On sandy/soft gravel courses, people with street tires often roll em right off the rims...so get some gravel tires (or for stock classes get some light-truck snows with gnarly sidewalls)
cheers,
Dave G
| Recce03 | 10-01-2003 12:26 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by rupertberr [/i]
[B]4 good straights which were good for the WRX's but still not long enough for the EVO's. [/B][/QUOTE]
Obviously, you have never driven an EVO. At my last event on 9-27 some of the GRAVEL CREW members had the oportunity to drive an EVO. If the runs would have counted they would have been the fastest runs of the day, by far!!! All Subaru drivers (2WRX and 1RS) This track has nothing on it that could even be remotely called a straight!! All you City boys need to learn how to drive!:furious:
[B]4 good straights which were good for the WRX's but still not long enough for the EVO's. [/B][/QUOTE]
Obviously, you have never driven an EVO. At my last event on 9-27 some of the GRAVEL CREW members had the oportunity to drive an EVO. If the runs would have counted they would have been the fastest runs of the day, by far!!! All Subaru drivers (2WRX and 1RS) This track has nothing on it that could even be remotely called a straight!! All you City boys need to learn how to drive!:furious:
| Recce03 | 10-01-2003 12:38 AM |
Re: Re: Rally X Mania
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Car #187 [/i]
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At [URL=http://www.rallyparknortheast.com]RPNE[/URL] WRXs are easy to beat, if they ever show up. Most WRX guys think it's too rough there.
Most WRX guys over there need to pull there thumbs out of their asses and drive the cars the way they were ment to be driven!!
I checked out the pics of rpne! That place is bad ass!! I would love to come rip that place up!!! Too bad I'm in So Cal.
If in doubt, Throttle out!!!
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At [URL=http://www.rallyparknortheast.com]RPNE[/URL] WRXs are easy to beat, if they ever show up. Most WRX guys think it's too rough there.
Most WRX guys over there need to pull there thumbs out of their asses and drive the cars the way they were ment to be driven!!
I checked out the pics of rpne! That place is bad ass!! I would love to come rip that place up!!! Too bad I'm in So Cal.
If in doubt, Throttle out!!!
| recce02 | 10-01-2003 01:29 AM |
damn recce03 who pissed in your Cheerios?:disco:
| Recce03 | 10-01-2003 01:53 AM |
I don't eat Cherios!
| recce02 | 10-01-2003 01:56 AM |
whatever GUY, you don't have to yell
| Ozymandias | 10-01-2003 02:37 AM |
did anyone bring an ark?
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hey RB5 Clone,
if your wake knocked a cone over, were you penalized? heh
[url]http://www.onalimbracing.com/gallery2/view_album.php?set_albumName=otherauto[/url]
hey rupertberr,
does it ever get like that out here?
if your wake knocked a cone over, were you penalized? heh
[url]http://www.onalimbracing.com/gallery2/view_album.php?set_albumName=otherauto[/url]
hey rupertberr,
does it ever get like that out here?
| akuhner | 10-01-2003 09:01 AM |
Re: Re: Re: Rally X Mania
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Recce03 [/i]
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Most WRX guys over there need to pull there thumbs out of their asses and drive the cars the way they were ment to be driven!!
I checked out the pics of rpne! That place is bad ass!! I would love to come rip that place up!!! Too bad I'm in So Cal.
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You said it! Yes, RPNE is the roughest place I've ever raced, but it is possible to do well without breaking anything. I left on a trailer once, but that was due to blowing a head gasket, which probably would have happened even at an Auto-X if I was pushing it hard. Most of the carnage I've seen there can be explained away -
1) My head gasket incident
2) An SE-R (original) split his oil pan because he didn't have a skid plate.
3) An Audi 90 with 100k+ miles on it pulled the ball joint right out, but they had bought it the day before and hadn't touched a thing on the car.
4) A Euro-spec Jetta rally car blew up a strut somehow.
5) My friend blew a strut on his RS, but it was a modified AGX setup.
6) Countless blow outs, mostly from sidewall gashes.
there must be other examples, I've been going there since day one but I've missed a few events.
We are trying to get more cars at the rally-x events there, but it's hard to get people out when the percieve the risk to be too great. The Rauch Creek complex is HUGE so eventually we'll be moving to a smoother course and saving these roads for the Rally Sprints. And eventually we hope to host a Club Rally, all on the private land!
Rally Sprint info here:
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=429472[/url]
More RPNE Rally-X pics and videos here:
[url]http://www.ncrally.com/index.php?&pid=508[/url]
[url]http://www.ncrally.com/index.php?&pid=509[/url]
Alex
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Most WRX guys over there need to pull there thumbs out of their asses and drive the cars the way they were ment to be driven!!
I checked out the pics of rpne! That place is bad ass!! I would love to come rip that place up!!! Too bad I'm in So Cal.
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You said it! Yes, RPNE is the roughest place I've ever raced, but it is possible to do well without breaking anything. I left on a trailer once, but that was due to blowing a head gasket, which probably would have happened even at an Auto-X if I was pushing it hard. Most of the carnage I've seen there can be explained away -
1) My head gasket incident
2) An SE-R (original) split his oil pan because he didn't have a skid plate.
3) An Audi 90 with 100k+ miles on it pulled the ball joint right out, but they had bought it the day before and hadn't touched a thing on the car.
4) A Euro-spec Jetta rally car blew up a strut somehow.
5) My friend blew a strut on his RS, but it was a modified AGX setup.
6) Countless blow outs, mostly from sidewall gashes.
there must be other examples, I've been going there since day one but I've missed a few events.
We are trying to get more cars at the rally-x events there, but it's hard to get people out when the percieve the risk to be too great. The Rauch Creek complex is HUGE so eventually we'll be moving to a smoother course and saving these roads for the Rally Sprints. And eventually we hope to host a Club Rally, all on the private land!
Rally Sprint info here:
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=429472[/url]
More RPNE Rally-X pics and videos here:
[url]http://www.ncrally.com/index.php?&pid=508[/url]
[url]http://www.ncrally.com/index.php?&pid=509[/url]
Alex
| DrBiggly | 10-01-2003 11:43 AM |
I was at Fred's rallyx and it was really fun! I drove the slowest vehicle out there and still had fun doing it. :)
Here is a shot of Fred in action:
[IMG]http://d703288.u34.neureal.com/photos/autox/thscc/rallyx9-27-2003/DCP_6562.jpg[/IMG]
Here is a shot of Fred in action:
[IMG]http://d703288.u34.neureal.com/photos/autox/thscc/rallyx9-27-2003/DCP_6562.jpg[/IMG]
| Coati | 10-01-2003 12:17 PM |
Nice to see so many wagons being put to good use. :cool:
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by rupertberr [/i]
[B]Here are the top 25 in PGT Points after nine rounds. Followed by class wins and out of class wins (ie some also run in Open and we have a shoot out for FTD by all class winners.)
Subaru WRX Wagon (1-2) Me
Subaru Impreza 2.5RS (2) KeithRS
Mitsubishi Eclipse/VR4 (3-3) Pro Driver
Eagle Talon Pro Driver
Subaru WRX Wagon (1)
Subaru WRX Wagon (1)
Toyota 4R
Subaru Impreza 2.2
VW Quantum
Subaru Forester
Eagle Talon (1-3) Pro Driver
Subaru Legacy
Mitsubishi Eclipse
Subaru WRX Wagon
Subaru WRX Wagon
Subaru Outback
Subaru WRX Wagon
Mitsubishi GSX Pro Driver
Ford Explorer
Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS
Subaru WRX Sedan
Subaru Outback
VW Corrado
Subaru STi
Subaru WRX Wagon
Subaru 2.5RS
Not everyone competes in every event so we have some odd cars that are high in points like the Toyota 4R who finishes poorly but shows up to alot of events. The second Eagle Talon has moved on to Open. Notice all but one of the top WRX's are wagons. Pro Drivers are guys who also compete in money paying series and Hill Climbs on a regular basis. It really depends on the type of courses we are running. The last one was very tight including an off camber 360. It was designed by a Mini driver! Not WRX friendly. The one before that had 4 good straights which were good for the WRX's but still not long enough for the EVO's. [/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by rupertberr [/i]
[B]Here are the top 25 in PGT Points after nine rounds. Followed by class wins and out of class wins (ie some also run in Open and we have a shoot out for FTD by all class winners.)
Subaru WRX Wagon (1-2) Me
Subaru Impreza 2.5RS (2) KeithRS
Mitsubishi Eclipse/VR4 (3-3) Pro Driver
Eagle Talon Pro Driver
Subaru WRX Wagon (1)
Subaru WRX Wagon (1)
Toyota 4R
Subaru Impreza 2.2
VW Quantum
Subaru Forester
Eagle Talon (1-3) Pro Driver
Subaru Legacy
Mitsubishi Eclipse
Subaru WRX Wagon
Subaru WRX Wagon
Subaru Outback
Subaru WRX Wagon
Mitsubishi GSX Pro Driver
Ford Explorer
Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS
Subaru WRX Sedan
Subaru Outback
VW Corrado
Subaru STi
Subaru WRX Wagon
Subaru 2.5RS
Not everyone competes in every event so we have some odd cars that are high in points like the Toyota 4R who finishes poorly but shows up to alot of events. The second Eagle Talon has moved on to Open. Notice all but one of the top WRX's are wagons. Pro Drivers are guys who also compete in money paying series and Hill Climbs on a regular basis. It really depends on the type of courses we are running. The last one was very tight including an off camber 360. It was designed by a Mini driver! Not WRX friendly. The one before that had 4 good straights which were good for the WRX's but still not long enough for the EVO's. [/B][/QUOTE]
| 10th Warrior | 10-01-2003 12:28 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Recce03 [/i]
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Obviously, you have never driven an EVO. At my last event on 9-27 some of the GRAVEL CREW members had the oportunity to drive an EVO. If the runs would have counted they would have been the fastest runs of the day, by far!!! All Subaru drivers (2WRX and 1RS) This track has nothing on it that could even be remotely called a straight!! All you City boys need to learn how to drive!:furious: [/B][/QUOTE]
i have driven an EVO at a fun run in a rally-x. didn't get timed, but let me tell you, best handling car on dirt i've ever driven. it lacked grip thanks to those tires, but damn, you could point that car any where you damn well pleased with easy. and that steering rack is to die for. granted, i've only ridden in the STi, but the EVO is one helluva car to drive on dirt.
of course, its not the Bitchin' Saab Camero :banana:
[IMG]http://www.freebmw.net/jeff/03-07%20SCC%20Saab.jpg[/IMG]
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Obviously, you have never driven an EVO. At my last event on 9-27 some of the GRAVEL CREW members had the oportunity to drive an EVO. If the runs would have counted they would have been the fastest runs of the day, by far!!! All Subaru drivers (2WRX and 1RS) This track has nothing on it that could even be remotely called a straight!! All you City boys need to learn how to drive!:furious: [/B][/QUOTE]
i have driven an EVO at a fun run in a rally-x. didn't get timed, but let me tell you, best handling car on dirt i've ever driven. it lacked grip thanks to those tires, but damn, you could point that car any where you damn well pleased with easy. and that steering rack is to die for. granted, i've only ridden in the STi, but the EVO is one helluva car to drive on dirt.
of course, its not the Bitchin' Saab Camero :banana:
[IMG]http://www.freebmw.net/jeff/03-07%20SCC%20Saab.jpg[/IMG]
| DrBiggly | 10-01-2003 12:32 PM |
Old Saabs generally make good rally cars from what I understand. The wing.....uh, that one is a little outta control but otherwise cool car. :)
| 10th Warrior | 10-01-2003 01:48 PM |
the wing was very important to counter the high speed float issues we had during testing ;)
btw, SCC didn't mention that we actually came in under budget by finding change under one of the seats :D
btw, SCC didn't mention that we actually came in under budget by finding change under one of the seats :D
| ITWRX4ME | 10-01-2003 02:22 PM |
Re: air time?!?
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Ozymandias [/i]
[B]hey Car # 187,
i went to your website and then followed the link to this
[url]http://www.rallyplanet.com/?pid=15768[/url]
how is it that this happened?
[url]http://www.rallyplanet.com/index.php?&pid=15800[/url]
:eek:
i thought rally-x rules stated that dips that could get a car airborne shoudn't be included? unless this isn't rally-x and is something else that i'm not aware of or it's not scca....
just curious
thanks! [/B][/QUOTE]
:lol: :lol: :banana:
Can you say "sanctioning nightmare"?
[B]hey Car # 187,
i went to your website and then followed the link to this
[url]http://www.rallyplanet.com/?pid=15768[/url]
how is it that this happened?
[url]http://www.rallyplanet.com/index.php?&pid=15800[/url]
:eek:
i thought rally-x rules stated that dips that could get a car airborne shoudn't be included? unless this isn't rally-x and is something else that i'm not aware of or it's not scca....
just curious
thanks! [/B][/QUOTE]
:lol: :lol: :banana:
Can you say "sanctioning nightmare"?
| Ozymandias | 10-01-2003 03:24 PM |
cross vs sprint
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what's the difference between rally cross and rally sprint?
:banana:
SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY!!! (the next rally cross event!)
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SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY!!! (the next rally cross event!)
:banana:
| 10th Warrior | 10-01-2003 03:33 PM |
a RallySprint is a Coefficent 1 ClubRally that has one short stage that is run repeatedly for the mileage of the rally. unlike a rally-x, it is usally, though not always, on a road or field that would not be legal to run a rally-x on and also requires a logbooked rally car and full safety equipment for the driving crew.
Saturday Saturday Saturday (st. louis's next rallycross ;) )
Saturday Saturday Saturday (st. louis's next rallycross ;) )
| RB5 Clone | 10-01-2003 06:55 PM |
Cone hit judging
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Ozymandias--
If your wake thru a giant puddle washes a cone over, it doesn't count. If your best McRae gravel spray knocks a cone over it doesn't count. Only if an actual part of your car knocks a cone over...contact with body or tire (or roof!) it DOES count.
This is why you need to make sure at driver's meeting that the other workers know clearly about the above judgement calls, and that the workers know that all the other drivers are relying on them to have their eyes and brains in gear while working. Get whoever is running the drivers' meeting to explain how they will be judging those close calls.
I got knocked from 3rd to 5th place by hitting 2 cones on the last of 5 runs. One I know I hit, the other I think was either by wake or by clods of muck. Either way, I got penalized. So beware!
Cheers, Dave G
If your wake thru a giant puddle washes a cone over, it doesn't count. If your best McRae gravel spray knocks a cone over it doesn't count. Only if an actual part of your car knocks a cone over...contact with body or tire (or roof!) it DOES count.
This is why you need to make sure at driver's meeting that the other workers know clearly about the above judgement calls, and that the workers know that all the other drivers are relying on them to have their eyes and brains in gear while working. Get whoever is running the drivers' meeting to explain how they will be judging those close calls.
I got knocked from 3rd to 5th place by hitting 2 cones on the last of 5 runs. One I know I hit, the other I think was either by wake or by clods of muck. Either way, I got penalized. So beware!
Cheers, Dave G
| Recce03 | 10-01-2003 08:51 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by 10th Warrior [/i]
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i have driven an EVO at a fun run in a rally-x. didn't get timed, but let me tell you, best handling car on dirt i've ever driven. it lacked grip thanks to those tires, but damn, you could point that car any where you damn well pleased with easy. and that steering rack is to die for. granted, i've only ridden in the STi, but the EVO is one helluva car to drive on dirt.
Thank you!
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i have driven an EVO at a fun run in a rally-x. didn't get timed, but let me tell you, best handling car on dirt i've ever driven. it lacked grip thanks to those tires, but damn, you could point that car any where you damn well pleased with easy. and that steering rack is to die for. granted, i've only ridden in the STi, but the EVO is one helluva car to drive on dirt.
Thank you!
| rupertberr | 10-01-2003 11:49 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Recce03 [/i]
[B]
Obviously, you have never driven an EVO. At my last event on 9-27 some of the GRAVEL CREW members had the oportunity to drive an EVO. If the runs would have counted they would have been the fastest runs of the day, by far!!! All Subaru drivers (2WRX and 1RS) This track has nothing on it that could even be remotely called a straight!! All you City boys need to learn how to drive!:furious: [/B][/QUOTE]
I have never driven an EVO. I have ridden shotgun with Rhys Millen up Pikes Peak. Thought it was pretty swell. We actually allow EVO's to race here in the "city." Happy to say that I have beaten 4 out 5 that have show up. They all were full bore Group N caged race cars. One finished 4th and one finished fifth up Pikes Peak. Both have won Club rally's and placed in Pro rallies. Mark Cox, Bridgestone Driving School chief instructor in the ProRally #36 EVO that I beat said that his EVO was overheating on the short for him, long for us, straights that we had. Every one of the EVO drivers said that their car handled better on more open Rally Stages. I spoke to Utah's Open Class champion last year when I was clinching the SCCA's first ever RallyCross Division championship. He raced a tricked out 2.5 RS and said he preferred it in RallyCross over his EVO. When it came to Club and Pro Rally he preferred the EVO. Despite that at the Cog Rally a couple of weeks ago two PGT WRX's finished 1-2 overall while an Open Class EVO driven by Jeff Zwart finished third and no, the WRX's were consitantly faster stage after stage. BTW all these EVO's are trailered in. My WRX wagon is a daily driver.
So here is how this "city" boy who doesn't know how to drive did last year:
SCCA PGT Regional Champion
SCCA PGT Divisional Champion
Valvoline Cup National Champion:)
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Obviously, you have never driven an EVO. At my last event on 9-27 some of the GRAVEL CREW members had the oportunity to drive an EVO. If the runs would have counted they would have been the fastest runs of the day, by far!!! All Subaru drivers (2WRX and 1RS) This track has nothing on it that could even be remotely called a straight!! All you City boys need to learn how to drive!:furious: [/B][/QUOTE]
I have never driven an EVO. I have ridden shotgun with Rhys Millen up Pikes Peak. Thought it was pretty swell. We actually allow EVO's to race here in the "city." Happy to say that I have beaten 4 out 5 that have show up. They all were full bore Group N caged race cars. One finished 4th and one finished fifth up Pikes Peak. Both have won Club rally's and placed in Pro rallies. Mark Cox, Bridgestone Driving School chief instructor in the ProRally #36 EVO that I beat said that his EVO was overheating on the short for him, long for us, straights that we had. Every one of the EVO drivers said that their car handled better on more open Rally Stages. I spoke to Utah's Open Class champion last year when I was clinching the SCCA's first ever RallyCross Division championship. He raced a tricked out 2.5 RS and said he preferred it in RallyCross over his EVO. When it came to Club and Pro Rally he preferred the EVO. Despite that at the Cog Rally a couple of weeks ago two PGT WRX's finished 1-2 overall while an Open Class EVO driven by Jeff Zwart finished third and no, the WRX's were consitantly faster stage after stage. BTW all these EVO's are trailered in. My WRX wagon is a daily driver.
So here is how this "city" boy who doesn't know how to drive did last year:
SCCA PGT Regional Champion
SCCA PGT Divisional Champion
Valvoline Cup National Champion:)
| rupertberr | 10-02-2003 12:09 AM |
Re: Cone hit judging
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by RB5 Clone [/i]
[B]Ozymandias--
If your wake thru a giant puddle washes a cone over, it doesn't count. If your best McRae gravel spray knocks a cone over it doesn't count. Only if an actual part of your car knocks a cone over...contact with body or tire (or roof!) it DOES count.
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Out here if spray, wake or exhaust knock over a cone it counts. Ken and I tried to argue against that rule but we lost.
We don't get rain like that but we do get snow like that.:)
To encourage participation we strictly abide by the SCCA rules and avoid jumps, very rough courses and large immovable objects near the course. 80% of our participants use daily drivers and we have over 100 competitors. Popped tires are the biggest problem we run into. Had 8 at one event last year. Best solution is to keep the tire pressures up.
Wildest event I ever did was a night RallyCross in Utah. You had to check the course with flash lights after each run because it was pitch black.
New Mexico had the most dust. Occasionally you had to lift because you couldn't see where you were going. One guy broke his airfilter in three on his last run.
Colorado had the most snow. I didn't think I would make it to the Paddock from the main road through two feet of unplowed snow let alone around the course.
[B]Ozymandias--
If your wake thru a giant puddle washes a cone over, it doesn't count. If your best McRae gravel spray knocks a cone over it doesn't count. Only if an actual part of your car knocks a cone over...contact with body or tire (or roof!) it DOES count.
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Out here if spray, wake or exhaust knock over a cone it counts. Ken and I tried to argue against that rule but we lost.
We don't get rain like that but we do get snow like that.:)
To encourage participation we strictly abide by the SCCA rules and avoid jumps, very rough courses and large immovable objects near the course. 80% of our participants use daily drivers and we have over 100 competitors. Popped tires are the biggest problem we run into. Had 8 at one event last year. Best solution is to keep the tire pressures up.
Wildest event I ever did was a night RallyCross in Utah. You had to check the course with flash lights after each run because it was pitch black.
New Mexico had the most dust. Occasionally you had to lift because you couldn't see where you were going. One guy broke his airfilter in three on his last run.
Colorado had the most snow. I didn't think I would make it to the Paddock from the main road through two feet of unplowed snow let alone around the course.
| akuhner | 10-02-2003 09:33 AM |
[url]http://d703288.u34.neureal.com/photos/autox/thscc/rallyx9-27-2003/[/url]
Sweet looking location! Too bad it's a little far for me to make it down there...
Sweet looking location! Too bad it's a little far for me to make it down there...
| 10th Warrior | 10-02-2003 04:23 PM |
[QUOTE]If your wake thru a giant puddle washes a cone over, it doesn't count. If your best McRae gravel spray knocks a cone over it doesn't count. Only if an actual part of your car knocks a cone over...contact with body or tire (or roof!) it DOES count.[/QUOTE]
this is up to the region actually. here, if the cone is down, its on you, just like at a National level auto-x. of course, its never been a problem as i'm of the opinion that a rally-x course should have a minimal number of cones, and then its mostly just to mark the inside of a turn. the only time we had a cone get knocked over by dirt was by me and my rally tires on a safety run, through the finish turn. knocked over a cone that was 5 feet from my car :cool: so we moved the cones back. done and done.
this is up to the region actually. here, if the cone is down, its on you, just like at a National level auto-x. of course, its never been a problem as i'm of the opinion that a rally-x course should have a minimal number of cones, and then its mostly just to mark the inside of a turn. the only time we had a cone get knocked over by dirt was by me and my rally tires on a safety run, through the finish turn. knocked over a cone that was 5 feet from my car :cool: so we moved the cones back. done and done.
| Recce03 | 10-03-2003 12:41 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by rupertberr [/i]
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I have never driven an EVO. I have ridden shotgun with Rhys Millen up Pikes Peak. Thought it was pretty swell. We actually allow EVO's to race here in the "city." Happy to say that I have beaten 4 out 5 that have show up. They all were full bore Group N caged race cars. One finished 4th and one finished fifth up Pikes Peak. Both have won Club rally's and placed in Pro rallies. Mark Cox, Bridgestone Driving School chief instructor in the ProRally #36 EVO that I beat said that his EVO was overheating on the short for him, long for us, straights that we had. Every one of the EVO drivers said that their car handled better on more open Rally Stages. I spoke to Utah's Open Class champion last year when I was clinching the SCCA's first ever RallyCross Division championship. He raced a tricked out 2.5 RS and said he preferred it in RallyCross over his EVO. When it came to Club and Pro Rally he preferred the EVO. Despite that at the Cog Rally a couple of weeks ago two PGT WRX's finished 1-2 overall while an Open Class EVO driven by Jeff Zwart finished third and no, the WRX's were consitantly faster stage after stage. BTW all these EVO's are trailered in. My WRX wagon is a daily driver.
So here is how this "city" boy who doesn't know how to drive did last year:
SCCA PGT Regional Champion
SCCA PGT Divisional Champion
Valvoline Cup National Champion:) [/B][/QUOTE]
Right on Champ!!! I knew I could get you to speak up somehow!!!
Bout to secure me a championship myself!!!
Remember, I'm not the one talking **** on the WRX's that don't show up!!! I drive a rex myself!
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I have never driven an EVO. I have ridden shotgun with Rhys Millen up Pikes Peak. Thought it was pretty swell. We actually allow EVO's to race here in the "city." Happy to say that I have beaten 4 out 5 that have show up. They all were full bore Group N caged race cars. One finished 4th and one finished fifth up Pikes Peak. Both have won Club rally's and placed in Pro rallies. Mark Cox, Bridgestone Driving School chief instructor in the ProRally #36 EVO that I beat said that his EVO was overheating on the short for him, long for us, straights that we had. Every one of the EVO drivers said that their car handled better on more open Rally Stages. I spoke to Utah's Open Class champion last year when I was clinching the SCCA's first ever RallyCross Division championship. He raced a tricked out 2.5 RS and said he preferred it in RallyCross over his EVO. When it came to Club and Pro Rally he preferred the EVO. Despite that at the Cog Rally a couple of weeks ago two PGT WRX's finished 1-2 overall while an Open Class EVO driven by Jeff Zwart finished third and no, the WRX's were consitantly faster stage after stage. BTW all these EVO's are trailered in. My WRX wagon is a daily driver.
So here is how this "city" boy who doesn't know how to drive did last year:
SCCA PGT Regional Champion
SCCA PGT Divisional Champion
Valvoline Cup National Champion:) [/B][/QUOTE]
Right on Champ!!! I knew I could get you to speak up somehow!!!
Bout to secure me a championship myself!!!
Remember, I'm not the one talking **** on the WRX's that don't show up!!! I drive a rex myself!
| recce02 | 10-03-2003 11:28 PM |
recce03 you don't drive a rex. You drive a 2.5 rs but yes you do drive it every day. Get your car's straight. It must suck to be you, thinking that your car is a WRX must be painfull as I drive next to you blowing off.
Peace out Marvin
Gravel Crew Rally Team USA
Peace out Marvin
Gravel Crew Rally Team USA
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