| [email�protected] | 05-18-2006 05:12 PM |
RE01R testing
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Test completion date: 5/10/06
BFGoodrich g-Force T/A KD Extreme Performance Summer 225/45R17
Bridgestone Potenza RE-01R Extreme Performance Summer 225/45R17
KUMHO ECSTA MX Extreme Performance Summer 225/45R17
Yokohama ADVAN Neova AD07 Extreme Performance Summer 225/45R17
Vehicles used: 2006 BMW E90 325i Sedan
Why Bridgestone's "R" Stands For Revolutionary Rather Than Race
Bridgestone tires have been carrying winning racecars to victory since 1965. Today, Bridgestone Potenza racing tires are used on Formula 1 and Champ Cars, arguably the most sophisticated open-wheel racecars in the world. Potenza has become Bridgestone's international name for performance and the spirit of their Potenza racing tires has arrived on the streets of America in the form of the Potenza RE-01R (R for Revolutionary) Extreme Performance Summer tires.
Extreme Performance Summer tires are designed to split the difference in performance between Max Performance Summer tires and Track and Competition DOT tires. As the tire category's name suggests, Extreme Performance Summer tires aren't for everyone. Drivers must be willing to trade some comfort, treadwear and/or hydroplaning resistance in order to get extreme dry street performance. Extreme Performance Summer tires are not intended to be driven in near freezing temperatures, through snow or on ice.
To find out how well the Bridgestone Potenza RE-01R fits into this tire category, The Tire Rack team conducted a Real World Road Ride and Performance Track Drive to compare the Potenza RE-01R with several popular Extreme Performance tires that focus on max handling and dry traction: the BFGoodrich g-Force T/A KD, the KUMHO ECSTA MX, and the Yokohama ADVAN Neova AD07.
Our evaluation used 2006 BMW 325i E90 sedans, with new, full tread depth 225/45R17 tires mounted on 17x8.0" wheels.
What We Learned on the Road
Our 5.6-mile loop of expressway, state highway and county roads provides a great variety of road conditions that include city and highway speeds, smooth and coarse concrete, as well as new and patched asphalt. This route allows our team to experience noise comfort, ride quality and everyday handling, just as you would during your drive to school or work.
Handling is a desirable trait of Extreme Performance Summer tires and all of these tires rewarded our drivers with their responsiveness. The Yokohama ADVAN Neova AD07 scored highest with our team with the Bridgestone Potenza RE-01R close behind. The BFGoodrich g-Force T/A KD and KUMHO ECSTA MX were a little further behind.
While Extreme Performance Summer tires normally trade off ride quality for steering response and handling, the Potenza RE-01R not only delivered the best ride of the four tires, it delivered surprising civilized ride characteristics that could have easily been mistaken for those of a tire delivering far less performance. The ADVAN Neova AD07 was somewhat firmer over nearly all road surfaces, most notably when driving over larger irregularities. The ride quality of the KUMHO ECSTA MX felt less yielding, while the BFGoodrich g-Force T/A KD felt the harshest of the group.
Among the Extreme Performance Summer tires in this test, the Potenza RE-01R was quieter than expected and generated the least amount of tread noise of the group. The Yokohama ADVAN Neova AD07 was acceptable but it was scored a distant second behind the Potenza RE-01R. Our team detected several distinct pitches from the ECSTA MX on the smooth concrete and asphalt portions of our road route and the g-Force T/A KD was noticeably louder than the others, generating a distinctive growl from even relatively low speeds, and all the way up through the speed range.
What We Learned on the Test Track
Our 1/3-mile per lap test track course includes 90-degree street corners, lane changes and simulated expressway ramps. Run in both dry and wet conditions, the test track allows our team to experience the traction, responsiveness, handling and drivability normally only encountered during abrupt emergency avoidance maneuvers or competition events.
The Yokohama ADVAN Neova AD07 led the dry track test, feeling hooked up with very little slip, slide or brake lock-up. The Potenza RE-01R was very close behind in lap time and delivered the highest cornering forces of the group. For the first time in our test history, the Potenza RE-01R allowed a driver to exceed 1g (1.003g) on both of his laps on the dry skidpad with our stock BMW 325i! The BFGoodrich g-Force T/A KD and KUMHO ECSTA MX battled for the remaining positions.
While wet traction is not the primary focus of this group, all of the Extreme Performance Summer tires in this test performed well with water on our test track. Again the ADVAN Neova AD07 lapped our course the quickest, proving to be balanced and easy to control at its limit. It was very closely followed by the Potenza RE-01R, which again developed the greatest cornering power. The BFGoodrich g-Force T/A KD was next, but almost one second behind the ADVAN Neova AD07 and Potenza RE-01R. The BFGoodrich g-Force T/A KD was easy to drive but did not have quite as much grip. The ECSTA MX felt a little edgy when approaching the limit, building grip and then breaking away a bit abruptly.
Product Details
BFGoodrich g-Force T/A KD (Extreme Performance Summer): The g-Force T/A KD is the Extreme Performance Summer tire member of BFGoodrich's family of g-Force T/A tires. The g-Force T/A KD is designed to deliver BFGoodrich's Traction/Advantage in order to increase the performance capabilities of sports cars, sports coupes and performance sedans by providing extreme dry road performance (hence the "D" in KD) while providing satisfactory wet traction. The g-Force T/A KD is not intended to be driven in snow. Read more.
Bridgestone Potenza RE-01R (Extreme Performance Summer): The Potenza RE-01R (with the "R" signifying Revolutionary) is the Extreme Performance Summer tire member of Bridgestone's global family of Potenza performance tires developed for enthusiastic sports car, sports coupe and performance sedan drivers. The Potenza RE-01R is designed to provide high levels of traction, responsive handling and driving control in dry and wet road conditions. The Potenza RE-01R is not intended to be driven in snow. Read more.
KUMHO ECSTA MX (Extreme Performance Summer): KUMHO's family of ECSTA (x� ta) performance tires is designed to enhance every vehicle's capabilities. The ECSTA MX member of the family elevates KUMHO right into our Extreme Performance tire category which is reserved for the technologically advanced tires that combine highly developed materials with state-of-the-art design and advanced manufacturing methods to provide superior performance. Read more.
Yokohama ADVAN Neova AD07 (Extreme Performance Summer): The ADVAN Neova AD07 is the Extreme Performance Summer tire member of Yokohama's global family of ADVAN performance tires developed for sports car, sports coupe and performance sedan enthusiasts who love sport driving. Used as Original Equipment (O.E.) on the Lotus Elise, the ADVAN Neova AD07 is designed to provide high levels of traction, responsive handling and driving control in dry and wet road conditions. The ADVAN Neova is not intended to be driven in cold temperatures or in snow. Read more.
Unlike less highly tuned tires, Yokohama's care instructions specify that due to its compound characteristics, ADVAN Neova AD07 must be used and stored at temperatures above -10� Celsius (14� Fahrenheit) to maintain its performance and avoid tire damage.
#1.) BFGoodrich g-Force T/A KD
#2.) Bridgestone Potenza RE-01R
#3.) KUMHO ECSTA MX
#4.) Yokohama ADVAN Neova AD07
lap times
Dry 29.74 29.64 29.90 29.48
Wet 33.08 32.19 33.38 32.14
cornering
Dry 0.99 0.99 0.98 0.98
Wet 0.79 0.84 0.79 0.83
slalom
Dry 4.15 4.13 4.21 4.11
Wet 4.66 4.56 4.76 4.52
braking
Dry 81.3 78.7 82.6 77.4
Wet 98.1 92.1 104.5 91.6
BFGoodrich g-Force T/A KD Extreme Performance Summer 225/45R17
Bridgestone Potenza RE-01R Extreme Performance Summer 225/45R17
KUMHO ECSTA MX Extreme Performance Summer 225/45R17
Yokohama ADVAN Neova AD07 Extreme Performance Summer 225/45R17
Vehicles used: 2006 BMW E90 325i Sedan
Why Bridgestone's "R" Stands For Revolutionary Rather Than Race
Bridgestone tires have been carrying winning racecars to victory since 1965. Today, Bridgestone Potenza racing tires are used on Formula 1 and Champ Cars, arguably the most sophisticated open-wheel racecars in the world. Potenza has become Bridgestone's international name for performance and the spirit of their Potenza racing tires has arrived on the streets of America in the form of the Potenza RE-01R (R for Revolutionary) Extreme Performance Summer tires.
Extreme Performance Summer tires are designed to split the difference in performance between Max Performance Summer tires and Track and Competition DOT tires. As the tire category's name suggests, Extreme Performance Summer tires aren't for everyone. Drivers must be willing to trade some comfort, treadwear and/or hydroplaning resistance in order to get extreme dry street performance. Extreme Performance Summer tires are not intended to be driven in near freezing temperatures, through snow or on ice.
To find out how well the Bridgestone Potenza RE-01R fits into this tire category, The Tire Rack team conducted a Real World Road Ride and Performance Track Drive to compare the Potenza RE-01R with several popular Extreme Performance tires that focus on max handling and dry traction: the BFGoodrich g-Force T/A KD, the KUMHO ECSTA MX, and the Yokohama ADVAN Neova AD07.
Our evaluation used 2006 BMW 325i E90 sedans, with new, full tread depth 225/45R17 tires mounted on 17x8.0" wheels.
What We Learned on the Road
Our 5.6-mile loop of expressway, state highway and county roads provides a great variety of road conditions that include city and highway speeds, smooth and coarse concrete, as well as new and patched asphalt. This route allows our team to experience noise comfort, ride quality and everyday handling, just as you would during your drive to school or work.
Handling is a desirable trait of Extreme Performance Summer tires and all of these tires rewarded our drivers with their responsiveness. The Yokohama ADVAN Neova AD07 scored highest with our team with the Bridgestone Potenza RE-01R close behind. The BFGoodrich g-Force T/A KD and KUMHO ECSTA MX were a little further behind.
While Extreme Performance Summer tires normally trade off ride quality for steering response and handling, the Potenza RE-01R not only delivered the best ride of the four tires, it delivered surprising civilized ride characteristics that could have easily been mistaken for those of a tire delivering far less performance. The ADVAN Neova AD07 was somewhat firmer over nearly all road surfaces, most notably when driving over larger irregularities. The ride quality of the KUMHO ECSTA MX felt less yielding, while the BFGoodrich g-Force T/A KD felt the harshest of the group.
Among the Extreme Performance Summer tires in this test, the Potenza RE-01R was quieter than expected and generated the least amount of tread noise of the group. The Yokohama ADVAN Neova AD07 was acceptable but it was scored a distant second behind the Potenza RE-01R. Our team detected several distinct pitches from the ECSTA MX on the smooth concrete and asphalt portions of our road route and the g-Force T/A KD was noticeably louder than the others, generating a distinctive growl from even relatively low speeds, and all the way up through the speed range.
What We Learned on the Test Track
Our 1/3-mile per lap test track course includes 90-degree street corners, lane changes and simulated expressway ramps. Run in both dry and wet conditions, the test track allows our team to experience the traction, responsiveness, handling and drivability normally only encountered during abrupt emergency avoidance maneuvers or competition events.
The Yokohama ADVAN Neova AD07 led the dry track test, feeling hooked up with very little slip, slide or brake lock-up. The Potenza RE-01R was very close behind in lap time and delivered the highest cornering forces of the group. For the first time in our test history, the Potenza RE-01R allowed a driver to exceed 1g (1.003g) on both of his laps on the dry skidpad with our stock BMW 325i! The BFGoodrich g-Force T/A KD and KUMHO ECSTA MX battled for the remaining positions.
While wet traction is not the primary focus of this group, all of the Extreme Performance Summer tires in this test performed well with water on our test track. Again the ADVAN Neova AD07 lapped our course the quickest, proving to be balanced and easy to control at its limit. It was very closely followed by the Potenza RE-01R, which again developed the greatest cornering power. The BFGoodrich g-Force T/A KD was next, but almost one second behind the ADVAN Neova AD07 and Potenza RE-01R. The BFGoodrich g-Force T/A KD was easy to drive but did not have quite as much grip. The ECSTA MX felt a little edgy when approaching the limit, building grip and then breaking away a bit abruptly.
Product Details
BFGoodrich g-Force T/A KD (Extreme Performance Summer): The g-Force T/A KD is the Extreme Performance Summer tire member of BFGoodrich's family of g-Force T/A tires. The g-Force T/A KD is designed to deliver BFGoodrich's Traction/Advantage in order to increase the performance capabilities of sports cars, sports coupes and performance sedans by providing extreme dry road performance (hence the "D" in KD) while providing satisfactory wet traction. The g-Force T/A KD is not intended to be driven in snow. Read more.
Bridgestone Potenza RE-01R (Extreme Performance Summer): The Potenza RE-01R (with the "R" signifying Revolutionary) is the Extreme Performance Summer tire member of Bridgestone's global family of Potenza performance tires developed for enthusiastic sports car, sports coupe and performance sedan drivers. The Potenza RE-01R is designed to provide high levels of traction, responsive handling and driving control in dry and wet road conditions. The Potenza RE-01R is not intended to be driven in snow. Read more.
KUMHO ECSTA MX (Extreme Performance Summer): KUMHO's family of ECSTA (x� ta) performance tires is designed to enhance every vehicle's capabilities. The ECSTA MX member of the family elevates KUMHO right into our Extreme Performance tire category which is reserved for the technologically advanced tires that combine highly developed materials with state-of-the-art design and advanced manufacturing methods to provide superior performance. Read more.
Yokohama ADVAN Neova AD07 (Extreme Performance Summer): The ADVAN Neova AD07 is the Extreme Performance Summer tire member of Yokohama's global family of ADVAN performance tires developed for sports car, sports coupe and performance sedan enthusiasts who love sport driving. Used as Original Equipment (O.E.) on the Lotus Elise, the ADVAN Neova AD07 is designed to provide high levels of traction, responsive handling and driving control in dry and wet road conditions. The ADVAN Neova is not intended to be driven in cold temperatures or in snow. Read more.
Unlike less highly tuned tires, Yokohama's care instructions specify that due to its compound characteristics, ADVAN Neova AD07 must be used and stored at temperatures above -10� Celsius (14� Fahrenheit) to maintain its performance and avoid tire damage.
#1.) BFGoodrich g-Force T/A KD
#2.) Bridgestone Potenza RE-01R
#3.) KUMHO ECSTA MX
#4.) Yokohama ADVAN Neova AD07
lap times
Dry 29.74 29.64 29.90 29.48
Wet 33.08 32.19 33.38 32.14
cornering
Dry 0.99 0.99 0.98 0.98
Wet 0.79 0.84 0.79 0.83
slalom
Dry 4.15 4.13 4.21 4.11
Wet 4.66 4.56 4.76 4.52
braking
Dry 81.3 78.7 82.6 77.4
Wet 98.1 92.1 104.5 91.6
| zzyzx | 05-18-2006 05:16 PM |
Ad07 Ftw.
| jcroy66 | 05-18-2006 05:29 PM |
Luke, thanks for the write-up! :)
+1 on the AD07 FTW. :)
+1 on the AD07 FTW. :)
| Swine | 05-18-2006 05:36 PM |
finally, all of those kids constantly saying that the re-01r is the end all bring all tire(without any freakin proof) will shut up.
| shane86 | 05-18-2006 05:57 PM |
Hmm.... i whonder how they'd do shaved.
C'mon GRM! Test these sukas!
C'mon GRM! Test these sukas!
| IBAUCLAPlaya | 05-18-2006 06:57 PM |
Good to see actual numbers. If only you threw in the Kooks into the test...
| Kostamojen | 05-18-2006 07:25 PM |
[QUOTE=IBAUCLAPlaya]Good to see actual numbers. If only you threw in the Kooks into the test...[/QUOTE]
+1
If the MX's are in there, the RS-2's should have been too :p
+1
If the MX's are in there, the RS-2's should have been too :p
| jcroy66 | 05-18-2006 07:36 PM |
MXs are sold by TireRack. RS-2s are not.
| WRXedUSA | 05-18-2006 08:12 PM |
Wow. The comparo is not even CLOSE.
| BlueDominion | 05-18-2006 09:21 PM |
Hmm, something to go with with my RE070's are dead? Very possible...
| BIGSKYWRX | 05-18-2006 09:26 PM |
Luke- couple of quick questions. The RE01R is offered in a size that would work for me- 225/50/16- most of the previous 16" tires I've ran have been Z or W rated- these are V rated- what's a guy "giving up" going to a V rated tire? I don't spend any time at 149mph :), but some of tracks that I hit see the 120mph-ish mark.
Do you lose sidewall stiffness (less stiff carcass w/ a V rating?)? Could you also comment on sidewall stiffness between the aforementioned tires? Most of the Bridgestones I've run have been fairly stiff walled- curious how the RE01R is.
I'm guessing the AD07 in 225/50/16 is out of the question (it's offered in Japan :D)
TIA
Do you lose sidewall stiffness (less stiff carcass w/ a V rating?)? Could you also comment on sidewall stiffness between the aforementioned tires? Most of the Bridgestones I've run have been fairly stiff walled- curious how the RE01R is.
I'm guessing the AD07 in 225/50/16 is out of the question (it's offered in Japan :D)
TIA
| makofoto | 05-18-2006 11:06 PM |
This is what we were disappointed to find. We are hoping that putting our 245/40/17 tire on a 9" rim will help (STU STI). Shaved would be best. Going to try it again this weekend, but we still don't have the 9" wheel, only 8.5". Tire felt mushy and vague at the limit. We were surprised that the sidewalls are relatively soft, especially compared to the 070's.
| [email�protected] | 05-19-2006 10:21 AM |
a couple of other notes
The times are the average of the fastest 10 laps.
on the skid pad the RE01R did record the highest G level of any tire we have tested todate ....
the AD07 was a little more progressive and predictable to drive at the limit. So, it is easier to drive fast than the RE01R
I was faster on the RE01r's but, I was one of a very few because they are a little twitchy when at the limits of their ability
The times are the average of the fastest 10 laps.
on the skid pad the RE01R did record the highest G level of any tire we have tested todate ....
the AD07 was a little more progressive and predictable to drive at the limit. So, it is easier to drive fast than the RE01R
I was faster on the RE01r's but, I was one of a very few because they are a little twitchy when at the limits of their ability
| BIGSKYWRX | 05-19-2006 10:32 AM |
Luke- comments [QUOTE=BIGSKYWRX]Luke- couple of quick questions. The RE01R is offered in a size that would work for me- 225/50/16- most of the previous 16" tires I've ran have been Z or W rated- these are V rated- what's a guy "giving up" going to a V rated tire? I don't spend any time at 149mph :), but some of tracks that I hit see the 120mph-ish mark.
Do you lose sidewall stiffness (less stiff carcass w/ a V rating?)? Could you also comment on sidewall stiffness between the aforementioned tires? Most of the Bridgestones I've run have been fairly stiff walled- curious how the RE01R is.
I'm guessing the AD07 in 225/50/16 is out of the question (it's offered in Japan :D)
TIA[/QUOTE]
Do you lose sidewall stiffness (less stiff carcass w/ a V rating?)? Could you also comment on sidewall stiffness between the aforementioned tires? Most of the Bridgestones I've run have been fairly stiff walled- curious how the RE01R is.
I'm guessing the AD07 in 225/50/16 is out of the question (it's offered in Japan :D)
TIA[/QUOTE]
| DougM | 05-19-2006 12:24 PM |
awesome, thanks for your added comments as well.
having switched from the Neova's to the Bridgestones the one thing I noticed right away was that they did not perform as well under hard braking, it looks like your test data confirms this. Do you think this may have contributed to their slower lap times... offset slightly by the higher lateral grip?
having switched from the Neova's to the Bridgestones the one thing I noticed right away was that they did not perform as well under hard braking, it looks like your test data confirms this. Do you think this may have contributed to their slower lap times... offset slightly by the higher lateral grip?
| [email�protected] | 05-19-2006 02:03 PM |
[QUOTE=BIGSKYWRX]Luke- comments[/QUOTE]
I don't think you will be giving up anything in the way of transtions because of the different speed rating .... the carcass still has 2 polyester side wall belts as well as 1 nylon reinforcement belt in all of the tires .... higher speed rated tires have more carcass strength under the tread area to reduce circumferential expansion at speed
I don't think you will be giving up anything in the way of transtions because of the different speed rating .... the carcass still has 2 polyester side wall belts as well as 1 nylon reinforcement belt in all of the tires .... higher speed rated tires have more carcass strength under the tread area to reduce circumferential expansion at speed
| [email�protected] | 05-19-2006 02:03 PM |
[QUOTE=DougM]awesome, thanks for your added comments as well.
having switched from the Neova's to the Bridgestones the one thing I noticed right away was that they did not perform as well under hard braking, it looks like your test data confirms this. Do you think this may have contributed to their slower lap times... offset slightly by the higher lateral grip?[/QUOTE]
agreed
having switched from the Neova's to the Bridgestones the one thing I noticed right away was that they did not perform as well under hard braking, it looks like your test data confirms this. Do you think this may have contributed to their slower lap times... offset slightly by the higher lateral grip?[/QUOTE]
agreed
| makofoto | 05-19-2006 02:44 PM |
Luke ... What type of tire pressures where you running for the Test? Seems like you are usually limited to oem pressures?
Do you feel that higher pressures would have helped in braking and in transition ...
Do you feel that higher pressures would have helped in braking and in transition ...
| [email�protected] | 05-19-2006 05:37 PM |
we do perform the tests using factory recommend pressures and I know that we could improve certain characteristics of the tires by changing the pressures ...
| Phil Jr. | 05-19-2006 05:55 PM |
kuhmos seems like the best buy here since they are a good deal cheaper than the bridestones or yokos.
any chance the re01r will be getting cheaper soon? I like the idea of it being quiet.
any chance the re01r will be getting cheaper soon? I like the idea of it being quiet.
| import111 | 05-20-2006 01:35 AM |
Thanks for the great info Luke. Hearing this makes me happy that I got the RE-01R's. Although I still wish they had a stiffer sidewall. They have almost 200 miles on them now and they are gripping better and better every day.
| D fresh | 05-20-2006 08:10 AM |
I was trying to wait for your review before I purchased. But alas I got my RE01rs last week. With one AutoX under my belt on them, I can say that I am definately impressed. Now that I read this though, I wish I went the Neovas. Ohh well, there's always next time.
| west_minist | 05-20-2006 08:42 AM |
Luke,
It always amaze me that tire rack never performs test on wear tires. Why?
It always amaze me that tire rack never performs test on wear tires. Why?
| chadblock | 05-20-2006 08:43 AM |
good news...
as this is the tire going on our 2.3 liter evo...
18x9.5 with a 265/35-18, thanks to brigestone and forgeline...
cheers,
thanks luke
cb
as this is the tire going on our 2.3 liter evo...
18x9.5 with a 265/35-18, thanks to brigestone and forgeline...
cheers,
thanks luke
cb
| [email�protected] | 05-22-2006 08:35 AM |
[QUOTE=west_minist]Luke,
It always amaze me that tire rack never performs test on wear tires. Why?[/QUOTE]
huh??? :confused:
It always amaze me that tire rack never performs test on wear tires. Why?[/QUOTE]
huh??? :confused:
| west_minist | 05-22-2006 09:13 AM |
These tires are suppose to perform better when wear.
Also, it is also good to know how the tires perform when wear against one another.
Also, it is also good to know how the tires perform when wear against one another.
| WRX8XB | 05-22-2006 09:33 AM |
very nice write up, time will tell how each of these tires hold up throughout the season.
| rkkwan | 05-22-2006 09:33 AM |
Like how do you suppose they conduct the "worn tires" test? How to control all the variables, and how do you wear the tire? Maybe you mean have them shaved to a specific depth, but even that it's highly irrelevant as a tire worn on the street/track is not the same as a tire shaved.
You're asking way too much for a vendor.
You're asking way too much for a vendor.
| BIGSKYWRX | 05-22-2006 09:36 AM |
He wants the stickiest hi po summer tire that will last 50,000 miles :)
| makofoto | 05-22-2006 10:01 AM |
We ended up not running the STI with the 245/40/17RE-01R's this weekend ... still waiting for the 9" wheels
| Porter | 05-22-2006 10:05 AM |
Wait... you perform all tire tests at "factory" pressures?
What is that on the 325... 28psi? :lol:
That throws a pretty huge monkey wrench into the results. Why not set the pressures at something appropriate for the tire type being used, and just keep the pressure consistent across the group?
What is that on the 325... 28psi? :lol:
That throws a pretty huge monkey wrench into the results. Why not set the pressures at something appropriate for the tire type being used, and just keep the pressure consistent across the group?
| Arnie | 05-23-2006 02:37 AM |
Luke, have always wondered, how does TireRack actually decide on which tires they sell? Quality? Construction techniques? Bribery? We've all wondered why Toyo, Falken, Hancook, et al are not part of the TireRack product palette.
| makofoto | 05-23-2006 02:43 AM |
Sometimes it's not up to the Tire Rack. Various tire companies have their own sales policies. I would think that the Tire Rack would like to sell ever possible tire. It's not like Kuhmo telling them that they can't sell Hoosiers if they want to sell their tires.
(Arnie, check your email!)
(Arnie, check your email!)
| Chiketkd | 05-23-2006 01:13 PM |
It looks like I'll be giving these tires a shot in another month or so. They're cheaper than the Advan Neova's and seem to be a good 'middle' tire between r-comps and most summer tires. :)
| maxQ | 05-23-2006 02:44 PM |
[QUOTE=Arnie]Luke, have always wondered, how does TireRack actually decide on which tires they sell? Quality? Construction techniques? Bribery? We've all wondered why Toyo, Falken, Hancook, et al are not part of the TireRack product palette.[/QUOTE]
In Falken's case, it's rumored that Falken upset TireRack greatly by promising inventory that Falken couldn't/didn't commit.
In Falken's case, it's rumored that Falken upset TireRack greatly by promising inventory that Falken couldn't/didn't commit.
| BHawk | 05-23-2006 06:44 PM |
Unfortunately their product also kicks ass and at some point Tire Rack needs to carry it. That's just my opinion though.
| Mardok | 06-23-2008 03:11 PM |
re070
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How to the re070 make it in this contest?
| makofoto | 06-23-2008 03:44 PM |
Excellent OEM tire (nice stiff side walls) ... but not quite in the same league as the best AX'ing tires ... which is pretty much lead by the Dunlop STAR Z1 now.
| WebMasterP | 06-23-2008 05:36 PM |
[QUOTE=makofoto;22739686]Excellent OEM tire (nice stiff side walls) ... but not quite in the same league as the best AX'ing tires ... which is pretty much lead by the Dunlop STAR Z1 now.[/QUOTE]
Man, the Z1 gets hot so fast and holds the heat too. Then again, I suck so my tires get hot fast.
Man, the Z1 gets hot so fast and holds the heat too. Then again, I suck so my tires get hot fast.
| Scoobie Doogie | 06-23-2008 05:52 PM |
[QUOTE=WebMasterP;22741302]Man, the Z1 gets hot so fast and holds the heat too. Then again, I suck so my tires get hot fast.[/QUOTE]
Really:huh:? I've found them to be very, very consistent and I've not had them overheat at all. They are stable as long as you don't underinflate them.
Dave Mac
Really:huh:? I've found them to be very, very consistent and I've not had them overheat at all. They are stable as long as you don't underinflate them.
Dave Mac
| makofoto | 06-23-2008 05:56 PM |
He did say he "sucks." :-)
Maybe overdriving the tires ...
Maybe overdriving the tires ...
| Mind | 06-23-2008 07:11 PM |
[QUOTE=Scoobie Doogie;22741499]Really:huh:? I've found them to be very, very consistent and I've not had them overheat at all. They are stable as long as you don't underinflate them.
Dave Mac[/QUOTE]
What psi's do you run?
Dave Mac[/QUOTE]
What psi's do you run?
| Scoobie Doogie | 06-23-2008 07:35 PM |
On my Evo I run 36 front, 34 rear.
| triguy | 06-23-2008 07:56 PM |
How do the Bridgestones compared to the Yokohamas in terms of performance on the track when the tires are hot? About the same?
| WebMasterP | 06-23-2008 08:21 PM |
[QUOTE=Scoobie Doogie;22741499]Really:huh:? I've found them to be very, very consistent and I've not had them overheat at all. They are stable as long as you don't underinflate them.
Dave Mac[/QUOTE]
I didn't say I over heat them. I said they get hot fast. I guess another way of saying it is "they get heat in them quickly".
That is a good thing if you ask me.
Dave Mac[/QUOTE]
I didn't say I over heat them. I said they get hot fast. I guess another way of saying it is "they get heat in them quickly".
That is a good thing if you ask me.
| triguy | 06-23-2008 08:26 PM |
Some tires, notably the older Falkens, get greasy when hot. Sounds like that as long as they are not pushed too hard, the Bridgestones or Yokohamas keep their grip. I thought the RE070s held up pretty well on the track for a street tire.
| AWDREX | 06-23-2008 08:43 PM |
Wow, everyone seems very happy with their RE o1 R tires. Chu my pu, since you love these tires so much Im sure youll buy them again when they need to be replaced at the end of the same season! lol
| BIGSKYWRX | 06-23-2008 08:48 PM |
$100 rebate going again (SCCA)
| Scoobie Doogie | 06-23-2008 09:44 PM |
[QUOTE=WebMasterP;22743386]I didn't say I over heat them. I said they get hot fast. I guess another way of saying it is "they get heat in them quickly".
That is a good thing if you ask me.[/QUOTE]
Aye. They warm up nicely, sticky from run #1 to run #12 and on and on. Sorry, I thought you meant they overheat quickly.:D
That is a good thing if you ask me.[/QUOTE]
Aye. They warm up nicely, sticky from run #1 to run #12 and on and on. Sorry, I thought you meant they overheat quickly.:D
| chu my pu | 06-24-2008 08:39 AM |
[quote=AWDREX;22743685]Wow, everyone seems very happy with their RE o1 R tires. Chu my pu, since you love these tires so much Im sure youll buy them again when they need to be replaced at the end of the same season! lol[/quote]
you're right .. i will..with tires you get what you pay for... and i sacrifice wear raitings for extreme grip any day of the week.
when you learn how to launch that sti of yours with the crappy tires you have on there, maybe you can step up to somthing a little more grippy and made for a real driver..
you're right .. i will..with tires you get what you pay for... and i sacrifice wear raitings for extreme grip any day of the week.
when you learn how to launch that sti of yours with the crappy tires you have on there, maybe you can step up to somthing a little more grippy and made for a real driver..
| WebMasterP | 06-24-2008 11:56 AM |
[QUOTE=AWDREX;22743685]Wow, everyone seems very happy with their RE o1 R tires. Chu my pu, since you love these tires so much Im sure youll buy them again when they need to be replaced at the end of the same season! lol[/QUOTE]
I had the RE-01Rs. I switched the the Z1s and I'm much happier. Though I will give the RE-01R credit for hanging tough at the track. 3 pretty rough track days and they never chunked.
I had the RE-01Rs. I switched the the Z1s and I'm much happier. Though I will give the RE-01R credit for hanging tough at the track. 3 pretty rough track days and they never chunked.
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