| Zahnster | 04-22-2002 05:14 PM |
Spanish Grand Prix anyone?
1. MS
2. JM
3. RS
4. KR
5. JB
6. AM
Barichello gets pole and leads but his engine myseteriously stutters(bi-directional communications...) to let Micheal past, but this causes his engine to fail.
DC doesn't even qualify :D
2. JM
3. RS
4. KR
5. JB
6. AM
Barichello gets pole and leads but his engine myseteriously stutters(bi-directional communications...) to let Micheal past, but this causes his engine to fail.
DC doesn't even qualify :D
| callawayv | 04-22-2002 05:28 PM |
1.MS
2.RS
3.RB
4.DC
5.JPM
6. Either of the Renaults
2.RS
3.RB
4.DC
5.JPM
6. Either of the Renaults
| ellisnc | 04-22-2002 06:45 PM |
Re: Spanish Grand Prix anyone?
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Zahnster [/i]
[B]
Barichello gets pole and leads but his engine myseteriously stutters(bi-directional communications...) to let Micheal past, but this causes his engine to fail.
DC doesn't even qualify :D [/B][/QUOTE]
hehe, the guys I watch F1 with sometimes and I have suggested this as well:lol:
[B]
Barichello gets pole and leads but his engine myseteriously stutters(bi-directional communications...) to let Micheal past, but this causes his engine to fail.
DC doesn't even qualify :D [/B][/QUOTE]
hehe, the guys I watch F1 with sometimes and I have suggested this as well:lol:
| tailout | 04-22-2002 07:20 PM |
1. MS
2. RS
3.RB
4.KR
5.JB
6.PM
tailout
2. RS
3.RB
4.KR
5.JB
6.PM
tailout
| ChrisW | 04-22-2002 07:42 PM |
In some perverse way I hope the shumi brothers crash out... we need a change of pace.
unfortunetly that means that JPM would probably be involved.
having said that, it will probably be
MS
JPM
RB
RS
KR
DC
unfortunetly that means that JPM would probably be involved.
having said that, it will probably be
MS
JPM
RB
RS
KR
DC
| pio!pio! | 04-22-2002 08:14 PM |
MS
RB
RS
JPM
KR
JB
RB
RS
JPM
KR
JB
| Fred Zaplitny | 04-22-2002 10:09 PM |
I don't even think I'm going to bother watching. What's the point? :rolleyes:
MS
RB
JPM
RS
DC
KR
This year is turning into the worst yet by far! We can't even get good pitbabe pics anymore.
MS
RB
JPM
RS
DC
KR
This year is turning into the worst yet by far! We can't even get good pitbabe pics anymore.
| grandpa rex | 04-23-2002 09:25 AM |
This one's almost a mail in for the Red cars:
MS
Rubens
JPM
Ralfie
Button
Massa
I, for one, am thrilled with Ferrari's dominance. We Tifosi suffered mightily with tractor-like performance back in the days when the Williams Renault dominated F1. I rooted in vain for Berger and Alesi back then. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, I am enjoying it. However, I am not so foolish to believe that the pendulum will not swing back to Williams, McLaren and perhaps Honda.
Go red cars, go.
MS
Rubens
JPM
Ralfie
Button
Massa
I, for one, am thrilled with Ferrari's dominance. We Tifosi suffered mightily with tractor-like performance back in the days when the Williams Renault dominated F1. I rooted in vain for Berger and Alesi back then. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, I am enjoying it. However, I am not so foolish to believe that the pendulum will not swing back to Williams, McLaren and perhaps Honda.
Go red cars, go.
| Fred Zaplitny | 04-23-2002 10:24 AM |
Down with the Tifosi!! May the red cars burn in hell!
| grandpa rex | 04-23-2002 10:36 AM |
Fred, I'm so disappointed. I guess I just like life on the dark side.
Actually I became a Ferrari fan when I first heard their old V12 under full accelleration. Plus, back in those days they far fewer commercial sponsers and the cars looked much cleaner than the others.
But, there are 11 teams on the grid and plenty for all of us to follow.
Actually I became a Ferrari fan when I first heard their old V12 under full accelleration. Plus, back in those days they far fewer commercial sponsers and the cars looked much cleaner than the others.
But, there are 11 teams on the grid and plenty for all of us to follow.
| donjuan | 04-23-2002 11:48 AM |
1. Ralf Schumacher
2. Rubens Barrichello
3. Michael Shumacher
4. Kimi Raikkonen
5. Nick Heidfeld
6. Jarno Trulli
Cheer up Fred...
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2. Rubens Barrichello
3. Michael Shumacher
4. Kimi Raikkonen
5. Nick Heidfeld
6. Jarno Trulli
Cheer up Fred...
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| Fred Zaplitny | 04-23-2002 12:22 PM |
donjuan thanks!
I feel much better. I just love the tifosi on that Marlboro chick!
I feel much better. I just love the tifosi on that Marlboro chick!
| gtguy | 04-23-2002 01:35 PM |
MS
RS
RB (only because he's kind of a punk under pressure)
JPM
Kimi
Button.
The Ferrari's, if Imola is any indication, appear to have a substantial leg up on the competiton. McLaren can write this year off. I don't anyone figured Ferrari to be that good. I sure didn't.
Kevin
RS
RB (only because he's kind of a punk under pressure)
JPM
Kimi
Button.
The Ferrari's, if Imola is any indication, appear to have a substantial leg up on the competiton. McLaren can write this year off. I don't anyone figured Ferrari to be that good. I sure didn't.
Kevin
| Fred Zaplitny | 04-23-2002 08:57 PM |
The FIA should restrict the Ferraris to level the playing field, NASCAR would. :D
| Arioch | 04-23-2002 11:14 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Fred Zaplitny [/i]
[B]The FIA should restrict the Ferraris to level the playing field, NASCAR would. :D [/B][/QUOTE]
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
fred, you need to be bitch-slapped for that one...
as for me, here are my predictions...
1.ms (eventhough i dont' like him...)
2.ralf
3.kimi
4.juan
5.dc
6.button
rubens will go out again. mechanical. ms & juan will come together again in the first few laps, juan will lose another nose, and eventhough it's clearly schuey's fault, the stewards will give juan a drive through penalty (again)
kimi will be faster than dc all weekend (i should macro that phrase... :rolleyes: )
that's about it.
-dave
ps. mmmm plastic clothes.... :D
[B]The FIA should restrict the Ferraris to level the playing field, NASCAR would. :D [/B][/QUOTE]
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
fred, you need to be bitch-slapped for that one...
as for me, here are my predictions...
1.ms (eventhough i dont' like him...)
2.ralf
3.kimi
4.juan
5.dc
6.button
rubens will go out again. mechanical. ms & juan will come together again in the first few laps, juan will lose another nose, and eventhough it's clearly schuey's fault, the stewards will give juan a drive through penalty (again)
kimi will be faster than dc all weekend (i should macro that phrase... :rolleyes: )
that's about it.
-dave
ps. mmmm plastic clothes.... :D
| OnTheGas | 04-24-2002 04:03 PM |
Re: Spanish Grand Prix anyone?
[list=1][*]Michael[*]Rubens[*]Juan[*]Ralfie[*]Kimi[*]David[/list=1] My picks seem so conservative, but what am I to do?
PS - donjuan - The pitbabes cheered me up! (Recession be damned!)
:)
PS - donjuan - The pitbabes cheered me up! (Recession be damned!)
:)
| bohica | 04-24-2002 09:14 PM |
Originally posted by Fred Zaplitny
The FIA should restrict the Ferraris to level the playing field, NASCAR would.
It looks like this may happen, there is much discussion that Ferrari has some illegal aerodynamics in the form of movable aerodynamic devices. the speculation is the underbody is flexing
under load, at Imola the barge boards ( that are attached to the underbody) were seen to be moving up and down over 40cm between high and low speeds. remember the flexable rear wing mounts? that at speed let the rear wing "flaten out" .
cheers,
Rex
The FIA should restrict the Ferraris to level the playing field, NASCAR would.
It looks like this may happen, there is much discussion that Ferrari has some illegal aerodynamics in the form of movable aerodynamic devices. the speculation is the underbody is flexing
under load, at Imola the barge boards ( that are attached to the underbody) were seen to be moving up and down over 40cm between high and low speeds. remember the flexable rear wing mounts? that at speed let the rear wing "flaten out" .
cheers,
Rex
| bohica | 04-24-2002 09:44 PM |
[url]http://www.itv-f1.com/features/features_story/10309[/url]
Here is a link , looks like trickle down technology from the implements of war and destruction dept...LOL
cheers,
Rex
Here is a link , looks like trickle down technology from the implements of war and destruction dept...LOL
cheers,
Rex
| pio!pio! | 04-24-2002 10:25 PM |
The flexible bargeboards issue was resolved when the FIA said on review of the tapes, the bargeboards flexed cuz the car was jumping the kerbing and nothing more.
| Fred Zaplitny | 04-25-2002 05:18 PM |
I knew you guys would love my NASCAR reference! :D
| pio!pio! | 04-26-2002 02:41 AM |
good pitbabes are once again back!
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| Dr. WOT | 04-26-2002 08:23 AM |
:eek: Those are some pitbabes!
MS
DC - don't underrate Adrian Newey cars at Barcelona, those long fast sweeping cuves suit his designs
JPM
RB
JB
NH
MS
DC - don't underrate Adrian Newey cars at Barcelona, those long fast sweeping cuves suit his designs
JPM
RB
JB
NH
| Fred Zaplitny | 04-26-2002 11:53 AM |
Phew! I KNEW thsi season wasn't a total write-off!
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| gtguy | 04-26-2002 12:01 PM |
Morning and afternoon practice went as expected...Schumacher fastest. The car looked so scary fast and glued down.
Surprisingly (well, light fuel load) Frentzen was second in afternoon practice.
Williams is having all kinds of problems with setup and balance.
Kevin
Surprisingly (well, light fuel load) Frentzen was second in afternoon practice.
Williams is having all kinds of problems with setup and balance.
Kevin
| grandpa rex | 04-26-2002 12:26 PM |
I was happy to see Frentzen in second place. It warms my heart to see the low budget guys running up front. In particular, it's great to see Arrows run ahead of Jaguar since they have the same engine and a fraction of the budget.
When all is said and done tomorrow, though, the grid will look quite familiar.
The Pit Babes are fabulous this week.
When all is said and done tomorrow, though, the grid will look quite familiar.
The Pit Babes are fabulous this week.
| Arioch | 04-26-2002 01:55 PM |
i agree. the pit-babes are very nice! :D
i can't wait to see the practice tonight on speedvision (it will always be speedvision to me... :( ) should be interesting.
-dave
i can't wait to see the practice tonight on speedvision (it will always be speedvision to me... :( ) should be interesting.
-dave
| gtguy | 04-26-2002 04:06 PM |
Speed Channel shows practice live now, so it runs (in this case) from 6-7 a.m. Friday morning. I wasn't aware of a re-broadcast, but there might be indeed.
(edit) I see that they re-run qualifying twice, at 6 and 11 p.m. Central time.
Kevin
(edit) I see that they re-run qualifying twice, at 6 and 11 p.m. Central time.
Kevin
| Ryouga | 04-27-2002 09:17 AM |
Well, seems like almost everyone is picking Schuey Sr. to win this one, so I'll join donjuan in bucking the trend:
1) Ralf
2) JPM
3) MS
4) RB
5) Salo
6) Button
"Grap on my tired" and Kimi will have further cause to curse Mercedes, and Sato will run into his teammate again.
1) Ralf
2) JPM
3) MS
4) RB
5) Salo
6) Button
"Grap on my tired" and Kimi will have further cause to curse Mercedes, and Sato will run into his teammate again.
| johnfelstead | 04-27-2002 11:29 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Fred Zaplitny [/i]
[B]Phew! I KNEW thsi season wasn't a total write-off!
[IMG]http://a324.g.akamai.net/f/324/3126/1d/www.f1-live.com/photos/2002/barcelona/diapo_406.jpg[/IMG] [/B][/QUOTE]
Is it me or do those women look like their heads are out of proportion to their bodies? :lol: Still nice though. :D The marlboro woman, on the left should have a wide load warning on her butt too, that must have been painfull squeezing into those pants. :D:lol:
OK, to the serious points in hand. :D
Forget practice times for the Michelin runners, they are just scrubbing tyres and doing high fuel loads, totally unrepresentative for qualifying.
Button yet again sticks one up DC and is top brit. Kimi is doing the same too. Goodbye DC from McLaren i would say!
MS is taking the michael isnt he, makes it look interesting then just stuffs RB on his last run. Geez that F2002 looks fantastic, talk about glued to the road. I cant see anything but a Ferrari 1-2 in this race.
Did you guys see the same footage as me? Just after Chilli Dog got 4th they cut to his pit crew, one was saying rather obviously, with his manerisms, that Chilli Dog has rather large cahooneys to pull that lap out of the bag. :lol: Cracked me up! :D
I see Button beating the McLarens on pace, he will outdrag Kimi to the first corner too!
My result would be.
1) MS
2) RB
3) Ralfy
4) Chillidog
5) Button
6) Kimi the wonder kid. :D
[B]Phew! I KNEW thsi season wasn't a total write-off!
[IMG]http://a324.g.akamai.net/f/324/3126/1d/www.f1-live.com/photos/2002/barcelona/diapo_406.jpg[/IMG] [/B][/QUOTE]
Is it me or do those women look like their heads are out of proportion to their bodies? :lol: Still nice though. :D The marlboro woman, on the left should have a wide load warning on her butt too, that must have been painfull squeezing into those pants. :D:lol:
OK, to the serious points in hand. :D
Forget practice times for the Michelin runners, they are just scrubbing tyres and doing high fuel loads, totally unrepresentative for qualifying.
Button yet again sticks one up DC and is top brit. Kimi is doing the same too. Goodbye DC from McLaren i would say!
MS is taking the michael isnt he, makes it look interesting then just stuffs RB on his last run. Geez that F2002 looks fantastic, talk about glued to the road. I cant see anything but a Ferrari 1-2 in this race.
Did you guys see the same footage as me? Just after Chilli Dog got 4th they cut to his pit crew, one was saying rather obviously, with his manerisms, that Chilli Dog has rather large cahooneys to pull that lap out of the bag. :lol: Cracked me up! :D
I see Button beating the McLarens on pace, he will outdrag Kimi to the first corner too!
My result would be.
1) MS
2) RB
3) Ralfy
4) Chillidog
5) Button
6) Kimi the wonder kid. :D
| gtguy | 04-27-2002 03:05 PM |
That was hysterical, John! :lol: And they were right, I think. Traffic must have been crazy on that last lap that Montoya ran.
The pit babes, for the most part, all need to get something to eat, hit the gym or something, except for the lass in that JohnFelstead referred to. Baby got back, indeed. :D
Meanwhile, I agree...that Ferrari looks like a completely different car moving around the course, compared to the others. This could be a loooong season for those not looking for a scarlet 1-2, most weeks. Given how well the car handles, imagine how well they're going to run at Monaco, or the Hungaroring.
Rubens had quite the rueful smile in the press conference. I wonder if he actually thought that he was going to have pole, indeed? And Michael didn't just go a little faster, either.
Kevin
The pit babes, for the most part, all need to get something to eat, hit the gym or something, except for the lass in that JohnFelstead referred to. Baby got back, indeed. :D
Meanwhile, I agree...that Ferrari looks like a completely different car moving around the course, compared to the others. This could be a loooong season for those not looking for a scarlet 1-2, most weeks. Given how well the car handles, imagine how well they're going to run at Monaco, or the Hungaroring.
Rubens had quite the rueful smile in the press conference. I wonder if he actually thought that he was going to have pole, indeed? And Michael didn't just go a little faster, either.
Kevin
| pio!pio! | 04-27-2002 04:44 PM |
I also think DC won't be staying at Mclaren for too long considering his performance compared to KR and how happy he is there and stuff.
Since JV is leaving BAR at the end of the year, I speculate he will move to Mclaren???
Did you see Ralf's facial expressions during the post qualifying conference? He seemed to be giving someone knowing, shocked looks.
Since JV is leaving BAR at the end of the year, I speculate he will move to Mclaren???
Did you see Ralf's facial expressions during the post qualifying conference? He seemed to be giving someone knowing, shocked looks.
| pio!pio! | 04-27-2002 06:30 PM |
LOL JPM and MS!!
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| Patrick Olsen | 04-27-2002 08:55 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by donjuan [/i]
[B][IMG]http://media.rivals.net/media/jpg/2002041300291481.jpg[/IMG] [/B][/QUOTE]
[Adam Sandler voice][i]Want to touch hiiiinnneeeyyy[/i][/Adam Sandler voice] :eek:
[B][IMG]http://media.rivals.net/media/jpg/2002041300291481.jpg[/IMG] [/B][/QUOTE]
[Adam Sandler voice][i]Want to touch hiiiinnneeeyyy[/i][/Adam Sandler voice] :eek:
| 63Alpine | 04-28-2002 02:41 PM |
I have one thing to say about that race. Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg.
It is sad when the most interesting part of the race was a guy getting a sprained ankle in the pits. Also, is it me or does it look like they spend weeks prepping Mikeys car and then throw something together for Barichello the day before the race? There has to be a reason for his horrendous luck compared to MS.
It is sad when the most interesting part of the race was a guy getting a sprained ankle in the pits. Also, is it me or does it look like they spend weeks prepping Mikeys car and then throw something together for Barichello the day before the race? There has to be a reason for his horrendous luck compared to MS.
| gtguy | 04-28-2002 03:09 PM |
But if you think about why the race was boring, it's actually exciting. Excellence is a wonderful thing to witness, really. Ferrari has the best driver, best car, best reliability (poor Rubens notwithstanding), best pit strategy, most consistent tires, and best luck. What else is there?
Interestingly on the luck side, Rubens had hydraulic failure, according to the lads on Speed Channel. Michael had the same thing, but during practice, when there was plenty of time to fix the car. I feel so bad for Rubens, but don't think for an instant that he gets a slapdash effort. Ferrari knows how valuable the constructor's title is as well as driver's.
Kevin
Interestingly on the luck side, Rubens had hydraulic failure, according to the lads on Speed Channel. Michael had the same thing, but during practice, when there was plenty of time to fix the car. I feel so bad for Rubens, but don't think for an instant that he gets a slapdash effort. Ferrari knows how valuable the constructor's title is as well as driver's.
Kevin
| Fred Zaplitny | 04-28-2002 03:28 PM |
I am watching the rest of the season under protest until something is done about Ferrari's cheating. Those bastards! They must be stopped.
| Rick Hunter | 04-28-2002 03:37 PM |
I woke up... Watched the start..10 minutes later <SNORE>
Then kept waking up every 20 minutes or so to find out that MS was still in the lead... <ZZZZZZ>
At one point while dozing, I dreamed that MS had such a huge lead that he went off the course and started to do stunt driving tricks - driving up a curved side of a wall, arcing through the air and coming down on the other side - effectively doing an entire loop over and over again and STILL won the race.. :confused: :confused: :D
Man I gotta lay off the crack-pipe. :lol:
Then kept waking up every 20 minutes or so to find out that MS was still in the lead... <ZZZZZZ>
At one point while dozing, I dreamed that MS had such a huge lead that he went off the course and started to do stunt driving tricks - driving up a curved side of a wall, arcing through the air and coming down on the other side - effectively doing an entire loop over and over again and STILL won the race.. :confused: :confused: :D
Man I gotta lay off the crack-pipe. :lol:
| Patrick Olsen | 04-29-2002 01:15 AM |
Yeah, definitely not a very interesting race. It's "action" like this that immediately turned me off to F1 when I first watched it a few years back and Mclaren was running away from everyone else. Bleh!
Who here would have guessed that 5 races into the season the only two teams to [i]not[/i] score any points would be BAR and Jordan? :eek: Pretty amazing.
Bummer for Renault - both cars in the points, 20 laps later, no cars in the points. Ouch!
Pat
Who here would have guessed that 5 races into the season the only two teams to [i]not[/i] score any points would be BAR and Jordan? :eek: Pretty amazing.
Bummer for Renault - both cars in the points, 20 laps later, no cars in the points. Ouch!
Pat
| Marquis | 04-29-2002 06:55 AM |
[QUOTE]But if you think about why the race was boring, it's actually exciting. Excellence is a wonderful thing to witness, really. Ferrari has the best driver, best car, best reliability (poor Rubens notwithstanding), best pit strategy, most consistent tires, and best luck. What else is there? [/QUOTE]
I have to agree with you here, gtguy.
That's not to say I wouldn't mind having some cars that compete with the Ferraris, but I don't feel dominance is a boring thing. Perhaps it's the technical side of me that likes to see the team do such a good job.
I have to agree with you here, gtguy.
That's not to say I wouldn't mind having some cars that compete with the Ferraris, but I don't feel dominance is a boring thing. Perhaps it's the technical side of me that likes to see the team do such a good job.
| JenisonWRX | 04-29-2002 12:20 PM |
JM ran over his signal guy (I absolutly refuse to call it what they do) ... and still finished second...thats pretty good.
Now If I was the GM of that team...I would call a meeting...
and say this
"Ok...how can we shave 40+ seconds?" About what we he was behind. Anyone who didn't raise their hand and say "Try to avoid getting run over by the car" ... I would fire
*** was that guy thinkgin...hes gonna trip the car????
Now If I was the GM of that team...I would call a meeting...
and say this
"Ok...how can we shave 40+ seconds?" About what we he was behind. Anyone who didn't raise their hand and say "Try to avoid getting run over by the car" ... I would fire
*** was that guy thinkgin...hes gonna trip the car????
| LordBass | 04-29-2002 01:32 PM |
:lol: You don't like the term "lollipop man"? It is rather nauseating. :)
Yep, boringish race. Only two of my top six actually finished that way (MS and JPM). For some reason I didn't have Frentzen in there. :)
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Yep, boringish race. Only two of my top six actually finished that way (MS and JPM). For some reason I didn't have Frentzen in there. :)
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| SpinAll4 | 04-29-2002 06:09 PM |
Great race to watch in fastforward mode.
:o :o
Nice and boring. At least Speedchannel plays and replays rally coverage at a nice frequency, something thats watchable.
I hope the absolute dominance of the new Ferrari is mostly attributable to the tires at this point. Michelin really needs to get going on the cooler temp tire situation. I would really like to see the Williams gang get back up to the pace of the Red-Menace.
Poor Rubens and Button, Rubie just needs a break.
F1 should have standard car races every once in a while to see who can 'drive'. Kind of a IROC type thing.
:o
PS-- D.irty C.heese is a wank.
Nice and boring. At least Speedchannel plays and replays rally coverage at a nice frequency, something thats watchable.
I hope the absolute dominance of the new Ferrari is mostly attributable to the tires at this point. Michelin really needs to get going on the cooler temp tire situation. I would really like to see the Williams gang get back up to the pace of the Red-Menace.
Poor Rubens and Button, Rubie just needs a break.
F1 should have standard car races every once in a while to see who can 'drive'. Kind of a IROC type thing.
:o
PS-- D.irty C.heese is a wank.
| Fred Zaplitny | 04-29-2002 06:23 PM |
I wonder what the Lollipop Man position pays for one of the top teams? Probably more than I make. Do you have to go to lollipop school for that? :D Actually they have a pretty important job, you think they can come up with a better name.
As for him trying to trip the car.....just one of those reflex actions. You can bet he won't do that again!
As for him trying to trip the car.....just one of those reflex actions. You can bet he won't do that again!
| johnfelstead | 04-29-2002 06:39 PM |
The "lollipop man" (a British term for someone who helps children cross the road to school) is usually the chief mechanic, it's the most responsible position in the pit crew, everyones safety is down to that guy.
| johnfelstead | 04-29-2002 06:41 PM |
hehehehe
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| JenisonWRX | 04-29-2002 09:01 PM |
Well mr signal man is fired....or I would fire his ass just for being stupid.
:p
:p
| gtguy | 04-30-2002 12:40 AM |
Some sort of snafu caused him to raise the lollipop, though the fueler wasn't finished. You could see Montoya about to drag the refueler down the pit lane, which is why the lollipop guy slammed the sign back down. He now knows that you can't stop a modern F1 car with your foot as a wheel chock.
I watched the pit stop again, and can't see what happened, that is, what caused him to get his signals messed up. It looked like the guy at the back of the car didn't give him the "all clear," and it should have been obvious that the fueler was still attached.
I didn't like Montoya's shoulder shrugging, sort of giggling at the post-race about the accident, sheepish or not.
Hey Fred, how is Ferrari cheating? All I see is an excellent car, with consistent tires. I think that some of the speed difference had to do with the tires/temperature. Some of it had to do with what is the truth: the F2002 is about a second a lap faster than the F2001/2002, as Schumacher said. Look at the gaps. The racing was a lot closer with the hybrid 2001/2002 car, irrespective of temperature. With the 2002 car, MS is simply driving off into the sunset.
I think that as races get hotter, the Michelins will be closer, but the way things look now, some sort of aberration would have to occur for a Ferrari not to win. And B.S. or not, don't forget that Schumacher said that the F2002 would continue to get faster through the first four European races. :eek:
Kevin
I watched the pit stop again, and can't see what happened, that is, what caused him to get his signals messed up. It looked like the guy at the back of the car didn't give him the "all clear," and it should have been obvious that the fueler was still attached.
I didn't like Montoya's shoulder shrugging, sort of giggling at the post-race about the accident, sheepish or not.
Hey Fred, how is Ferrari cheating? All I see is an excellent car, with consistent tires. I think that some of the speed difference had to do with the tires/temperature. Some of it had to do with what is the truth: the F2002 is about a second a lap faster than the F2001/2002, as Schumacher said. Look at the gaps. The racing was a lot closer with the hybrid 2001/2002 car, irrespective of temperature. With the 2002 car, MS is simply driving off into the sunset.
I think that as races get hotter, the Michelins will be closer, but the way things look now, some sort of aberration would have to occur for a Ferrari not to win. And B.S. or not, don't forget that Schumacher said that the F2002 would continue to get faster through the first four European races. :eek:
Kevin
| Fred Zaplitny | 04-30-2002 05:05 AM |
I just got a feeling they are cheating! MS is NOT that good. Sure he's good, but come on! Something is going on with that car.
| gtguy | 04-30-2002 09:44 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Fred Zaplitny [/i]
[B]I just got a feeling they are cheating! MS is NOT that good. Sure he's good, but come on! Something is going on with that car. [/B][/QUOTE]
:lol:
Perhaps johnfelstead can comment on this, but I think that some of the Ferrari advantage comes from being able to begin working on next year's car, in competition, at the end of last season because they had the championship wrapped up so early. That sort of "testing" is invaluable, I think.
Speaking of, think about the Constructors' lead they would have if Rubens had had better luck in the first five races.
Personally, I think that MS is that good. He transformed Benetton, he transformed Ferrari. Assuredly, the personnel have a LOT to do with how a car works, but I think that you need a driver who demands the absolute best, and repays that with performance. I think that everyone thought that Villeneuve would do the same thing at BAR, but that didn't happen.
My only regret is that there isn't a car that is as fast as the Ferrari. But I also think that not only does the car have to be as fast, for another driver to beat Schumacher, it has to be faster. He wrestled a dog of a Ferrari to equal status with the Williams in the Jaqcues championship year. It came down to the last race of the season. When McLaren was obviously a superior car, Schumacher still kept the Ferrari close, and won races with pit strategy, or however he had to.
I know that he's a hard guy to like, but for many, so was Michael Jordan, so was Ayrton Senna. But I don't know that his talent is deniable. Swap seats with Montoya, and JPM probably would have won, but the race would have been a lot closer, because Schumacher seems to be able to keep the car closer to the limit, longer, lap after lap, than any other driver around right now. I just hope that the Williams picks up so that he and Montoya can have the battles that I know they can have. I don't know that ultimately, Ralf is psychologically equipped to really race Michael.
Kevin
[B]I just got a feeling they are cheating! MS is NOT that good. Sure he's good, but come on! Something is going on with that car. [/B][/QUOTE]
:lol:
Perhaps johnfelstead can comment on this, but I think that some of the Ferrari advantage comes from being able to begin working on next year's car, in competition, at the end of last season because they had the championship wrapped up so early. That sort of "testing" is invaluable, I think.
Speaking of, think about the Constructors' lead they would have if Rubens had had better luck in the first five races.
Personally, I think that MS is that good. He transformed Benetton, he transformed Ferrari. Assuredly, the personnel have a LOT to do with how a car works, but I think that you need a driver who demands the absolute best, and repays that with performance. I think that everyone thought that Villeneuve would do the same thing at BAR, but that didn't happen.
My only regret is that there isn't a car that is as fast as the Ferrari. But I also think that not only does the car have to be as fast, for another driver to beat Schumacher, it has to be faster. He wrestled a dog of a Ferrari to equal status with the Williams in the Jaqcues championship year. It came down to the last race of the season. When McLaren was obviously a superior car, Schumacher still kept the Ferrari close, and won races with pit strategy, or however he had to.
I know that he's a hard guy to like, but for many, so was Michael Jordan, so was Ayrton Senna. But I don't know that his talent is deniable. Swap seats with Montoya, and JPM probably would have won, but the race would have been a lot closer, because Schumacher seems to be able to keep the car closer to the limit, longer, lap after lap, than any other driver around right now. I just hope that the Williams picks up so that he and Montoya can have the battles that I know they can have. I don't know that ultimately, Ralf is psychologically equipped to really race Michael.
Kevin
| JenisonWRX | 04-30-2002 12:39 PM |
[QUOTE]I didn't like Montoya's shoulder shrugging, sort of giggling at the post-race about the accident, sheepish or not. [/QUOTE]
why should he care? the guy told him to go...the idiot put his foot out. Is he supposed to wait around for a few to 'make sure' that things are ok...the pit crew has one job while that car is in there. They practice day in and day out.
On a side note...I did hear one of the announcers say that the company that supports the fuel enguagement system did change some things and could have caused the fuel hoses to catch. Other teams did have the same problem FWIR.
why should he care? the guy told him to go...the idiot put his foot out. Is he supposed to wait around for a few to 'make sure' that things are ok...the pit crew has one job while that car is in there. They practice day in and day out.
On a side note...I did hear one of the announcers say that the company that supports the fuel enguagement system did change some things and could have caused the fuel hoses to catch. Other teams did have the same problem FWIR.
| 63Alpine | 04-30-2002 04:23 PM |
[QUOTE]The "lollipop man" (a British term for someone who helps children cross the road to school)[/QUOTE]
In America we call them "priests".
Sorry it was too obvious. ;)
In America we call them "priests".
Sorry it was too obvious. ;)
| OnTheGas | 04-30-2002 11:51 PM |
Spain 2002 - Tires & Reliability
Looking at Spain as another round of the tire wars, I think a pretty good case can be made that Bridgestone showed up with a better compound than Michelin's. We have the "A" teams, Ferrari on the B'stones, and Williams and McLaren on the Michelins... We had only 50% reliability of all "A" teams, one car from each team scored points, and it was Ferrari by a second a lap margin over Williams, then McLaren.
At the "B" level of tire wars, we had:[CODE]
4. Heidfeld Sauber Petronas (B) + 1:06.697
5. Massa Sauber Petronas (B) + 1:18.973
6. Frentzen Arrows Cosworth (B) + 1:20.430
7. Villeneuve BAR Honda (B) + 1 Lap
8. McNish Toyota (M) + 1 Lap
9. Salo Toyota (M) + 1 Lap[/CODE]
Granted it was an excellent performance by Heidfeld, Massa, and Frentzen, but is it coincidence they are on B'stones as well? Well... probably so, except that Frentzen and the Saubers were turning good times all weekend long... so the "B" teams on B'stones had the advantage this weekend.
And then the reliability... Drivers' Championship: [code]
Driver Total AU MY BR SM ES
1 M.Schumacher 44 10 4 10 10 10
2 J.P.Montoya 23 6 6 2 3 6
3 Ralf Schumacher 20 - 10 6 4 -
4 David Coulthard 9 - - 4 1 4
5 Jenson Button 8 - 3 3 2 -
6 R.Barrichello 6 - - - 6 -[/code]... a 21 point lead is not unsurmountable, and the bad luck that has been happening to Rubens may afflict Michael, also. I think the Constructor's Championship offers a better picture... [code]
Team Total AU MY BR SM ES
1 Ferrari 50 10 4 10 16 10
2 Williams/BMW 43 6 16 8 7 6
3 McLaren/Mercedes 13 4 - 4 1 4
4 Renault 8 - 3 3 2 -
5 Sauber 8 - 3 - - 5[/code]We've got a seven point battle here... "Maximum points" (to quote Michael), has been scored once by Ferrari, and once by Williams. But the reliability of the Williams has been very helpful, though Ferrari has won every race but one. Juan has finished every race in the points. Ralfie has been very fast, and though he has driven himself out of the points twice, (Australia, and Spain), when he finishes races, he finishes well, (ahead of Juan so far). So while the F2002 on B'stones is spectacular on cool tracks, it was beatable in Brazil, and it is not very reliable. Williams.BMW on Michelins has been very fast on hot tracks, and so far has been very reliable. Reliability + speed will win the constructor's championship.
Looking ahead, although the A1-Ring will likely be cool or moderate temps (it's cool and rainy this week there), after that it is Monte Carlo which will be warmer, then Montreal in early June, and then the 1st weekend of the summer is Nurburgring to kick off the European summer season... The summer schedule is Silverstone, Magny-Cours, Hockenheim, Hungaroring, Spa, and the last race of the summer is at Monza. The fall finales starts at Indy's mickey mouse little infield track, followed by Suzuka.
So far we can see that the Ferrari's vulnerabilities are its reliability, and the performance of the B'stones in the heat.
Like it or not, this is a tire war, and the season is young... While Spain has often been a boring race, (as we saw again this year), it is still very possible that we will see the nasty dogfight we were hoping for between Ferrari and BMW.Williams this summer.
At the "B" level of tire wars, we had:[CODE]
4. Heidfeld Sauber Petronas (B) + 1:06.697
5. Massa Sauber Petronas (B) + 1:18.973
6. Frentzen Arrows Cosworth (B) + 1:20.430
7. Villeneuve BAR Honda (B) + 1 Lap
8. McNish Toyota (M) + 1 Lap
9. Salo Toyota (M) + 1 Lap[/CODE]
Granted it was an excellent performance by Heidfeld, Massa, and Frentzen, but is it coincidence they are on B'stones as well? Well... probably so, except that Frentzen and the Saubers were turning good times all weekend long... so the "B" teams on B'stones had the advantage this weekend.
And then the reliability... Drivers' Championship: [code]
Driver Total AU MY BR SM ES
1 M.Schumacher 44 10 4 10 10 10
2 J.P.Montoya 23 6 6 2 3 6
3 Ralf Schumacher 20 - 10 6 4 -
4 David Coulthard 9 - - 4 1 4
5 Jenson Button 8 - 3 3 2 -
6 R.Barrichello 6 - - - 6 -[/code]... a 21 point lead is not unsurmountable, and the bad luck that has been happening to Rubens may afflict Michael, also. I think the Constructor's Championship offers a better picture... [code]
Team Total AU MY BR SM ES
1 Ferrari 50 10 4 10 16 10
2 Williams/BMW 43 6 16 8 7 6
3 McLaren/Mercedes 13 4 - 4 1 4
4 Renault 8 - 3 3 2 -
5 Sauber 8 - 3 - - 5[/code]We've got a seven point battle here... "Maximum points" (to quote Michael), has been scored once by Ferrari, and once by Williams. But the reliability of the Williams has been very helpful, though Ferrari has won every race but one. Juan has finished every race in the points. Ralfie has been very fast, and though he has driven himself out of the points twice, (Australia, and Spain), when he finishes races, he finishes well, (ahead of Juan so far). So while the F2002 on B'stones is spectacular on cool tracks, it was beatable in Brazil, and it is not very reliable. Williams.BMW on Michelins has been very fast on hot tracks, and so far has been very reliable. Reliability + speed will win the constructor's championship.
Looking ahead, although the A1-Ring will likely be cool or moderate temps (it's cool and rainy this week there), after that it is Monte Carlo which will be warmer, then Montreal in early June, and then the 1st weekend of the summer is Nurburgring to kick off the European summer season... The summer schedule is Silverstone, Magny-Cours, Hockenheim, Hungaroring, Spa, and the last race of the summer is at Monza. The fall finales starts at Indy's mickey mouse little infield track, followed by Suzuka.
So far we can see that the Ferrari's vulnerabilities are its reliability, and the performance of the B'stones in the heat.
Like it or not, this is a tire war, and the season is young... While Spain has often been a boring race, (as we saw again this year), it is still very possible that we will see the nasty dogfight we were hoping for between Ferrari and BMW.Williams this summer.
| gtguy | 04-30-2002 11:51 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by JenisonWRX [/i]
[B]
why should he care? the guy told him to go...the idiot put his foot out. Is he supposed to wait around for a few to 'make sure' that things are ok...the pit crew has one job while that car is in there. They practice day in and day out.[/B][/QUOTE]
I dunno, maybe it's just me, but he should have been a bit more somber about the whole thing. The guy (his crew chief) could have been quite seriously hurt. I think that it was potentially more serious than he was letting on. It's ultimately a question of class, IMHO. You wouldn't have seen Ralf, or Mika, or any driver that I can think of (except perhaps Irvine) behaving as cavalierly as JPM did.
Kevin
[B]
why should he care? the guy told him to go...the idiot put his foot out. Is he supposed to wait around for a few to 'make sure' that things are ok...the pit crew has one job while that car is in there. They practice day in and day out.[/B][/QUOTE]
I dunno, maybe it's just me, but he should have been a bit more somber about the whole thing. The guy (his crew chief) could have been quite seriously hurt. I think that it was potentially more serious than he was letting on. It's ultimately a question of class, IMHO. You wouldn't have seen Ralf, or Mika, or any driver that I can think of (except perhaps Irvine) behaving as cavalierly as JPM did.
Kevin
| Fred Zaplitny | 05-01-2002 12:04 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy [/i]
[B]
:lol:
Perhaps johnfelstead can comment on this, but I think that some of the Ferrari advantage comes from being able to begin working on next year's car, in competition, at the end of last season because they had the championship wrapped up so early. That sort of "testing" is invaluable, I think.
Speaking of, think about the Constructors' lead they would have if Rubens had had better luck in the first five races.
Personally, I think that MS is that good. He transformed Benetton, he transformed Ferrari. Assuredly, the personnel have a LOT to do with how a car works, but I think that you need a driver who demands the absolute best, and repays that with performance. I think that everyone thought that Villeneuve would do the same thing at BAR, but that didn't happen.
My only regret is that there isn't a car that is as fast as the Ferrari. But I also think that not only does the car have to be as fast, for another driver to beat Schumacher, it has to be faster. He wrestled a dog of a Ferrari to equal status with the Williams in the Jaqcues championship year. It came down to the last race of the season. When McLaren was obviously a superior car, Schumacher still kept the Ferrari close, and won races with pit strategy, or however he had to.
I know that he's a hard guy to like, but for many, so was Michael Jordan, so was Ayrton Senna. But I don't know that his talent is deniable. Swap seats with Montoya, and JPM probably would have won, but the race would have been a lot closer, because Schumacher seems to be able to keep the car closer to the limit, longer, lap after lap, than any other driver around right now. I just hope that the Williams picks up so that he and Montoya can have the battles that I know they can have. I don't know that ultimately, Ralf is psychologically equipped to really race Michael.
Kevin [/B][/QUOTE]
I see you point and I still hate Schumacher and all he stands for. He is an ******* and deserves to be beaten severely.
[B]
:lol:
Perhaps johnfelstead can comment on this, but I think that some of the Ferrari advantage comes from being able to begin working on next year's car, in competition, at the end of last season because they had the championship wrapped up so early. That sort of "testing" is invaluable, I think.
Speaking of, think about the Constructors' lead they would have if Rubens had had better luck in the first five races.
Personally, I think that MS is that good. He transformed Benetton, he transformed Ferrari. Assuredly, the personnel have a LOT to do with how a car works, but I think that you need a driver who demands the absolute best, and repays that with performance. I think that everyone thought that Villeneuve would do the same thing at BAR, but that didn't happen.
My only regret is that there isn't a car that is as fast as the Ferrari. But I also think that not only does the car have to be as fast, for another driver to beat Schumacher, it has to be faster. He wrestled a dog of a Ferrari to equal status with the Williams in the Jaqcues championship year. It came down to the last race of the season. When McLaren was obviously a superior car, Schumacher still kept the Ferrari close, and won races with pit strategy, or however he had to.
I know that he's a hard guy to like, but for many, so was Michael Jordan, so was Ayrton Senna. But I don't know that his talent is deniable. Swap seats with Montoya, and JPM probably would have won, but the race would have been a lot closer, because Schumacher seems to be able to keep the car closer to the limit, longer, lap after lap, than any other driver around right now. I just hope that the Williams picks up so that he and Montoya can have the battles that I know they can have. I don't know that ultimately, Ralf is psychologically equipped to really race Michael.
Kevin [/B][/QUOTE]
I see you point and I still hate Schumacher and all he stands for. He is an ******* and deserves to be beaten severely.
| OnTheGas | 05-01-2002 12:37 AM |
Juan Pablo and Carl Gaden's Foot
[quote][i]Originally posted at [url]http://www.atlasf1.com/news/[/url] [/i]
[b]Colombian Juan Pablo was relieved that Williams chief mechanic Carl Gaden was fine after hitting him with his car during a pitstop in today's Spanish Grand Prix.
The Williams driver, who finished in second behind Michael Schumacher, had a disastrous second pitstop in which he ran over the foot of chief mechanic and 'lollipop' man Gaden, who fortunately escaped injury.
"He appears to be okay," the team's technical director Patrick Head said. "I'm sure he'll have a bit of a sore foot later tonight but I understand that it's bruised and nothing's actually broken."
Gaden lifted the 'lollipop' before the mechanic in charge of the refuelling had finished his job, and though he tried to stop Montoya, the Colombian was already moving.
"A bit of a sorry there," said Montoya after the race. "(He) was trying to stop me after he started to lift the lollipop as the refuelling wasn't finished yet. I know he is all right now but this accident could have had a much worse outcome if I hadn't managed to stop the car fairly quickly." [/b][/quote]
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy [/i]
[b]I dunno, maybe it's just me, but he should have been a bit more somber about the whole thing. The guy (his crew chief) could have been quite seriously hurt. I think that it was potentially more serious than he was letting on. It's ultimately a question of class, IMHO. You wouldn't have seen Ralf, or Mika, or any driver that I can think of (except perhaps Irvine) behaving as cavalierly as JPM did.
Kevin [/b][/QUOTE]Kevin, while I respect your opinion, and often agree with you, I think you're reading too much between the lines in this situation...
Juan is reported to be closer with his crew than some of the other drivers... I gotta believe Juan was relieved that Carl wasn't hurt badly... and was sorry that Carl got hurt.
[b]Colombian Juan Pablo was relieved that Williams chief mechanic Carl Gaden was fine after hitting him with his car during a pitstop in today's Spanish Grand Prix.
The Williams driver, who finished in second behind Michael Schumacher, had a disastrous second pitstop in which he ran over the foot of chief mechanic and 'lollipop' man Gaden, who fortunately escaped injury.
"He appears to be okay," the team's technical director Patrick Head said. "I'm sure he'll have a bit of a sore foot later tonight but I understand that it's bruised and nothing's actually broken."
Gaden lifted the 'lollipop' before the mechanic in charge of the refuelling had finished his job, and though he tried to stop Montoya, the Colombian was already moving.
"A bit of a sorry there," said Montoya after the race. "(He) was trying to stop me after he started to lift the lollipop as the refuelling wasn't finished yet. I know he is all right now but this accident could have had a much worse outcome if I hadn't managed to stop the car fairly quickly." [/b][/quote]
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy [/i]
[b]I dunno, maybe it's just me, but he should have been a bit more somber about the whole thing. The guy (his crew chief) could have been quite seriously hurt. I think that it was potentially more serious than he was letting on. It's ultimately a question of class, IMHO. You wouldn't have seen Ralf, or Mika, or any driver that I can think of (except perhaps Irvine) behaving as cavalierly as JPM did.
Kevin [/b][/QUOTE]Kevin, while I respect your opinion, and often agree with you, I think you're reading too much between the lines in this situation...
Juan is reported to be closer with his crew than some of the other drivers... I gotta believe Juan was relieved that Carl wasn't hurt badly... and was sorry that Carl got hurt.
| LordBass | 05-01-2002 12:22 PM |
OnTheGas: *BIG* points for an excellent, well-written, intelligent piece about the tyre war and contructor's battle. Such depth is not often seen on this board. Perhaps we should get your analysis after each event. :)
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| JenisonWRX | 05-01-2002 12:52 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Fred Zaplitny [/i]
[B]
I see you point and I still hate Schumacher and all he stands for. He is an ******* and deserves to be beaten severely. [/B][/QUOTE]
tell us how you really feel ... ;)
[B]
I see you point and I still hate Schumacher and all he stands for. He is an ******* and deserves to be beaten severely. [/B][/QUOTE]
tell us how you really feel ... ;)
| gtguy | 05-01-2002 03:55 PM |
Re: Juan Pablo and Carl Gaden's Foot
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by OnTheGas [/i]
[B]
Kevin, while I respect your opinion, and often agree with you, I think you're reading too much between the lines in this situation...
Juan is reported to be closer with his crew than some of the other drivers... I gotta believe Juan was relieved that Carl wasn't hurt badly... and was sorry that Carl got hurt. [/B][/QUOTE]
I'll buy that, OnTheGas, and conclude with my thought that Montoya might wish to consider acting classes, for those of us who aren't as in the know. :lol:
About that Ferrari reliability thing, cited in your tire war post. I agree that Michelin seems to be in trouble when it's cool. I don't think that the F2002 is a second a lap faster than the Williams. But Michael's car has been dead reliable. It's Rubens that has all of the problems, the poor SOB.
And even though the tire comparison is illustrative, note that those "B" teams that finished so far down were all dogs, BAR and Toyota, who have returned to reality. But the tire thing IS such a big deal this year.
I look for Ferrari to win Austria and Monte Carlo. For Montreal, the advantage switches to Michelin/Williams, but back to Ferrari for the "Ring. The season should get more interesting once the weather warms up, but I think that if Ferrari could fix the gremlins that seem to only plague Rubens, that constructors' championship would be as gapped as the drivers'.
Here are a couple of questions: is Ralf turning up the wick, or is JPM having a bad spell? And are the Bridgestones bad in the heat, or are the Michelins just that much better in the heat?
Kevin
[B]
Kevin, while I respect your opinion, and often agree with you, I think you're reading too much between the lines in this situation...
Juan is reported to be closer with his crew than some of the other drivers... I gotta believe Juan was relieved that Carl wasn't hurt badly... and was sorry that Carl got hurt. [/B][/QUOTE]
I'll buy that, OnTheGas, and conclude with my thought that Montoya might wish to consider acting classes, for those of us who aren't as in the know. :lol:
About that Ferrari reliability thing, cited in your tire war post. I agree that Michelin seems to be in trouble when it's cool. I don't think that the F2002 is a second a lap faster than the Williams. But Michael's car has been dead reliable. It's Rubens that has all of the problems, the poor SOB.
And even though the tire comparison is illustrative, note that those "B" teams that finished so far down were all dogs, BAR and Toyota, who have returned to reality. But the tire thing IS such a big deal this year.
I look for Ferrari to win Austria and Monte Carlo. For Montreal, the advantage switches to Michelin/Williams, but back to Ferrari for the "Ring. The season should get more interesting once the weather warms up, but I think that if Ferrari could fix the gremlins that seem to only plague Rubens, that constructors' championship would be as gapped as the drivers'.
Here are a couple of questions: is Ralf turning up the wick, or is JPM having a bad spell? And are the Bridgestones bad in the heat, or are the Michelins just that much better in the heat?
Kevin
| OnTheGas | 05-02-2002 11:09 PM |
Michelin's Big Mistake in Spain
If there is a single person who could be blamed for the Spanish GP being so boring to watch, I would nominate Pierre Dupasquier, Motorsport Director of Michelin. [quote][i]Pierre Dupasquier [URL=http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=90752&FS=F1]Michelin's Spanish GP Race Notes[/URL] [/i]
[b]...we adopted too conservative an approach to this race. The two compounds we brought with us this weekend were both used in the race - and [u]they showed very little wear at the end of a stint[/u].[/b] (Emphasis is mine.)[/quote]This is a surprising mistake, and an ominous indicator for the Michelin teams' 2002 season. Here is why:[list][*]Michelin uses multiple teams for tire testing, including McLaren, Williams, and Renault.[*]Barcelona is a testing track.[*]Most recently, between March 19th and 22nd, McLaren, Williams, Renault, Jaguar, and Toyota (all running on Michelins) were all testing at Barcelona[*]And on March 19th, Wurz in the McLaren did 75 laps testing tires specifically for Michelin[*]and on March 20th, Trulli did 28 laps specifically for Michelin[*]Before the Spanish GP, Pierre Dupasquier predicted the following. [quote][i][url=http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=89946&FS=F1]Michelin's Pre-Race Notes[/url][/i]
[b]The two [u]new[/u] compounds we are bringing to Spain have been evolved [u]specifically[/u] for this track.
...In Barcelona, either the performance gap will be reduced... or the margin of superiority will remain unchanged and we will have to take an even harder look at what we are doing.[/b][/quote][/list]Pierre is correct, Michelin needs to take a hard look at themselves now. To have missed so badly at Barcelona indicates a deep problem in their analytical and decision making processes. One can only imagine the disappointment being expressed by Patrick Head, and his folks at Williams to Pierre Dupasquier, and his folks at Michelin!
[b]...we adopted too conservative an approach to this race. The two compounds we brought with us this weekend were both used in the race - and [u]they showed very little wear at the end of a stint[/u].[/b] (Emphasis is mine.)[/quote]This is a surprising mistake, and an ominous indicator for the Michelin teams' 2002 season. Here is why:[list][*]Michelin uses multiple teams for tire testing, including McLaren, Williams, and Renault.[*]Barcelona is a testing track.[*]Most recently, between March 19th and 22nd, McLaren, Williams, Renault, Jaguar, and Toyota (all running on Michelins) were all testing at Barcelona[*]And on March 19th, Wurz in the McLaren did 75 laps testing tires specifically for Michelin[*]and on March 20th, Trulli did 28 laps specifically for Michelin[*]Before the Spanish GP, Pierre Dupasquier predicted the following. [quote][i][url=http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=89946&FS=F1]Michelin's Pre-Race Notes[/url][/i]
[b]The two [u]new[/u] compounds we are bringing to Spain have been evolved [u]specifically[/u] for this track.
...In Barcelona, either the performance gap will be reduced... or the margin of superiority will remain unchanged and we will have to take an even harder look at what we are doing.[/b][/quote][/list]Pierre is correct, Michelin needs to take a hard look at themselves now. To have missed so badly at Barcelona indicates a deep problem in their analytical and decision making processes. One can only imagine the disappointment being expressed by Patrick Head, and his folks at Williams to Pierre Dupasquier, and his folks at Michelin!
| gtguy | 05-03-2002 07:25 AM |
:lol: Great one, OTG, but I'd say you have a future in diplomacy. I'd imagine "disappointment" is an understatement. Williams must be about 14 different kinds of furious.
Kevin
Kevin
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