| WRXwagon2b | 02-08-2006 08:59 PM |
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I was running in STX last year basically stock and wanted to get some info on what was legal. Here is a list of mods that I want to get aand let me know what I cant use to be in STX. Thanks
Suspension: Coilovers (D2's), Sway bars, Endlinks, Suspension bushings
Exhaust: Headers, Up-pipe, TBE
EM: Cobb Access Port
Intake: K&N Short ram
Braces: Front & Rear Brace, 3 pc Sub frame Brace, Interior chassis brace, Fender Brace, and Rear Subframe Brace.
I know most of that stuff is legal but I dont know about the AP, and the subframe braces. I priced all this out and it only runs $5K.
I was running in STX last year basically stock and wanted to get some info on what was legal. Here is a list of mods that I want to get aand let me know what I cant use to be in STX. Thanks
Suspension: Coilovers (D2's), Sway bars, Endlinks, Suspension bushings
Exhaust: Headers, Up-pipe, TBE
EM: Cobb Access Port
Intake: K&N Short ram
Braces: Front & Rear Brace, 3 pc Sub frame Brace, Interior chassis brace, Fender Brace, and Rear Subframe Brace.
I know most of that stuff is legal but I dont know about the AP, and the subframe braces. I priced all this out and it only runs $5K.
| TypeR | 02-08-2006 09:10 PM |
None of the braces are STX legal, and you need to retain one cat somewhere in the exhaust (within 6 inches of an original location). The accessport is legal, and seems to be the way to go. Don't forget good tires, they are one of the most important mods-
| AUTOwrXER | 02-08-2006 09:11 PM |
Skip the braces. Buy better coilovers. The rules are : [URL=http://www.scca.org/Solo/Index.asp?IdS=00F609-91BE0C0&x=050|070&~=]HERE[/URL]
| solo2wrx | 02-08-2006 09:18 PM |
The AccessPort is legal but make sure you run a legal map. A legal map is one that does not alter boost so if you run a TBE then you can use the STX map if you are running a stock downpipe you should be running the stock map.
| WRXwagon2b | 02-08-2006 09:35 PM |
Thanks for the help guys. Hit hit it right with getting better Coilovers. I want to get the Zeals so I can now skip the braces and get those (cost wise). Are all the braces except the front and rear Strut illegal? Also with the Stage 2 AP I will be okay right? I mean the Dyno chart they show on the package doesnt state they use a boost controller so would that be okay? Thanks for all the help
| tuskenraider | 02-08-2006 09:54 PM |
[QUOTE]Also with the Stage 2 AP I will be okay right?[/QUOTE] Absolutely not. You cannot alter boost, wastegate duty cycles, etc., or anything to give you more boost, which a Stage 2 map does. You must run the Stage 2 STX map that just alters timing and fuel and even that is in question because of change in boost control at 130mph. Cobb said they were going to address this but I have yet to hear about that they did. Yeah, noone is ever gonna see those speeds, but makes it technically illegal. Local guys shouldn't have a problem if you ask them. Otherwise, have a Protuner make you a custom STX map off the stock one. It's what I did. Flash from Stage 2 to STX at the races and switch back after your done.
| flyboymike | 02-08-2006 11:39 PM |
If you don't have some wheels that are wider than stock, I'd add that to the list. I run a 225/45/17 on a 17x7.5 et 48, no rubbing so far. All the suspension mods in the world don't mean squat if you can't get that contact patch.
| jamesohoh7 | 02-09-2006 08:41 AM |
[QUOTE=flyboymike]If you don't have some wheels that are wider than stock, I'd add that to the list. I run a 225/45/17 on a 17x7.5 et 48, no rubbing so far. All the suspension mods in the world don't mean squat if you can't get that contact patch.[/QUOTE]
+1 ... -tires- + wheels made a huge difference when I first got into autox (and if we think about it, it makes sense.. look at stock-class cars on DOT-R's... few mods but great tires == very quick :) )
+1 ... -tires- + wheels made a huge difference when I first got into autox (and if we think about it, it makes sense.. look at stock-class cars on DOT-R's... few mods but great tires == very quick :) )
| Calamity Jesus | 02-09-2006 09:00 AM |
[QUOTE=WRXwagon2b]Are all the braces except the front and rear Strut illegal?[/QUOTE]
The front and rear strut braces are legal... but kinda pointless. There's a consensus that the front is plenty stiff already, but there have been some folks who like the rear [COLOR=red]strut[/COLOR] brace in the wagon. The interior brace, if you're talking about the one that goes across the rear floor, is for car shows.. besides being illegal, it will just add weight.
Now, as for the rear subframe brace.. is it one that just ties the rear-most lateral link to subframe bolts together (aka tie bar)? If so, that's perfectly legal.
[quote=SoloII Rulebook]
14.8
[b]J.[/b][INDENT]Strut bars are permitted with all types of suspension. Strut bars
may be mounted only transversely across the car from upper right
to upper left suspension mounting point and from lower right to
lower left suspension mounting point. No other configuration is
permitted. Additional holes may be drilled for mounting bolts.
Only bolt-on attachment is permitted. Interior trim panels may be
modified to allow installation of strut bars. Holes or slots may be
no larger than necessary and may serve no other purpose. This
does not permit any modifications to the frame or unibody beyond
the allowed mounting holes.[/INDENT][/quote]
So, only lateral bracing between suspension components. No triangulation (no Cusco V brace, etc), no fore-aft bracing, and no removing trim.
You can download the rulebook for free here:
[url]http://www.scca.org/Solo/Index.asp?reference=rules[/url]
(don't forget to also download the Street Touring Supplemental Classes document below)
The front and rear strut braces are legal... but kinda pointless. There's a consensus that the front is plenty stiff already, but there have been some folks who like the rear [COLOR=red]strut[/COLOR] brace in the wagon. The interior brace, if you're talking about the one that goes across the rear floor, is for car shows.. besides being illegal, it will just add weight.
Now, as for the rear subframe brace.. is it one that just ties the rear-most lateral link to subframe bolts together (aka tie bar)? If so, that's perfectly legal.
[quote=SoloII Rulebook]
14.8
[b]J.[/b][INDENT]Strut bars are permitted with all types of suspension. Strut bars
may be mounted only transversely across the car from upper right
to upper left suspension mounting point and from lower right to
lower left suspension mounting point. No other configuration is
permitted. Additional holes may be drilled for mounting bolts.
Only bolt-on attachment is permitted. Interior trim panels may be
modified to allow installation of strut bars. Holes or slots may be
no larger than necessary and may serve no other purpose. This
does not permit any modifications to the frame or unibody beyond
the allowed mounting holes.[/INDENT][/quote]
So, only lateral bracing between suspension components. No triangulation (no Cusco V brace, etc), no fore-aft bracing, and no removing trim.
You can download the rulebook for free here:
[url]http://www.scca.org/Solo/Index.asp?reference=rules[/url]
(don't forget to also download the Street Touring Supplemental Classes document below)
| angryfist | 02-09-2006 09:20 AM |
DO NOT get D2 coilovers.... you dont even want to know what i found out about them when i pulled a set off of my friends s13.... lets jsut say no engineer designed these :rolleyes:
| flyboymike | 02-09-2006 09:34 AM |
[QUOTE=Beaverboy]The front and rear strut braces are legal... but kinda pointless. There's a consensus that the front is plenty stiff already, but there have been some folks who like the rear brace in the wagon. The interior brace, if you're talking about the one that goes across the rear floor, is for car shows.. besides being illegal, it will just add weight.
[/QUOTE]
Rear strut bar is supposed to be helpful for wagons.
[/QUOTE]
Rear strut bar is supposed to be helpful for wagons.
| Warp3 | 02-09-2006 09:51 AM |
[QUOTE=angryfist]DO NOT get D2 coilovers.... you dont even want to know what i found out about them when i pulled a set off of my friends s13.... lets jsut say no engineer designed these :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Please elaborate on your findings! I've heard nothing but good thus far about the D2 coilovers (I don't run them myself, but I know people who do and like them a lot). :confused:
Shane -- SM 729
Please elaborate on your findings! I've heard nothing but good thus far about the D2 coilovers (I don't run them myself, but I know people who do and like them a lot). :confused:
Shane -- SM 729
| bhamwrxman | 02-09-2006 10:04 AM |
I thought that the SCCA was revising the rules this year for boost control because is it so hard to police.
| Calamity Jesus | 02-09-2006 10:04 AM |
I too would like to know about the problems with the D2. The ones I've seen so far have looked quality and have performed very nicely. 'D2' is impossible to search for here on the forums (being a two letter word), so if there are any negative reviews, I haven't seen them.
[QUOTE=flyboymike]Rear strut bar is supposed to be helpful for wagons.[/QUOTE] I added a word to my previous post to make it a little more clear.
[QUOTE=flyboymike]Rear strut bar is supposed to be helpful for wagons.[/QUOTE] I added a word to my previous post to make it a little more clear.
| Sideshowbob | 02-09-2006 10:07 AM |
[QUOTE=flyboymike]Rear strut bar is supposed to be helpful for wagons.[/QUOTE]
It is extremely helpful in Wagons. Adds immense amounts of rigidity in the rear, as the OP edited in.
It is extremely helpful in Wagons. Adds immense amounts of rigidity in the rear, as the OP edited in.
| NeedaScooby | 02-09-2006 10:19 AM |
TIRES! One of the most important mod to do....that will cut the most outta your time aside from improving you as a driver. This brings me to mod number 2. A good driving school. Those other mods, maybe take 1/2 sec at the most combined. The tires and the school....up to 10 secs depending on how good you are now.
| forced4 | 02-09-2006 10:58 AM |
The Cusco V1 under brace is allowed if you want a brace.
| ratt_finkel | 02-09-2006 11:33 AM |
[QUOTE=bhamwrxman]I thought that the SCCA was revising the rules this year for boost control because is it so hard to police.[/QUOTE]
Nope.
Nope.
| angryfist | 02-09-2006 11:45 AM |
[QUOTE=Warp3]Please elaborate on your findings! I've heard nothing but good thus far about the D2 coilovers (I don't run them myself, but I know people who do and like them a lot). :confused:
Shane -- SM 729[/QUOTE]
well on the D2 S13 rear shocks, the springs were resting on the studs for the tophat. since the studs were protruding about 3mm out, the springs could not sit flat on the tophat. :eek: keep in mind this is not a strut type application. either way, it makes me wonder who designs this crap. :huh:
Shane -- SM 729[/QUOTE]
well on the D2 S13 rear shocks, the springs were resting on the studs for the tophat. since the studs were protruding about 3mm out, the springs could not sit flat on the tophat. :eek: keep in mind this is not a strut type application. either way, it makes me wonder who designs this crap. :huh:
| solo2wrx | 02-09-2006 01:21 PM |
[QUOTE=ratt_finkel]Nope.[/QUOTE]
Well yes but only in Street Prepared classes not in the ST* classes. Still must maintain stock boost levels in STX.
Well yes but only in Street Prepared classes not in the ST* classes. Still must maintain stock boost levels in STX.
| bhamwrxman | 02-09-2006 01:27 PM |
[QUOTE=solo2wrx]Well yes but only in Street Prepared classes not in the ST* classes. Still must maintain stock boost levels in STX.[/QUOTE]
OK. Missunderstanding on my part. ESP=take boost as high as I want. STX=13.5 lbs on the WReX. *yawn*
Guess I will stay in ESP.:cool:
OK. Missunderstanding on my part. ESP=take boost as high as I want. STX=13.5 lbs on the WReX. *yawn*
Guess I will stay in ESP.:cool:
| thrdeye | 02-09-2006 01:32 PM |
I also have a friend running D2's. They are not exactly plug and play - needed a little finagling of the brake line, but other than that - they feel and work good. I helped install them and have driven the car a couple times.
| flyboymike | 02-09-2006 03:07 PM |
[QUOTE=Beaverboy]
I added a word to my previous post to make it a little more clear.[/QUOTE]
D'oh. Reading comprehension > me.
I added a word to my previous post to make it a little more clear.[/QUOTE]
D'oh. Reading comprehension > me.
| KSwrxWAGON | 02-09-2006 05:28 PM |
I'd recommend most emphasis placed on coilovers, wheels and tires. Power can come later, but won't cut your autox times down much in STX until you and your car can handle it well. BTW, my wagon runs 245/35/17 Falken fk451s on a mostly stock suspension without rubbing issues. I have '04 STi springs and 25mm swaybars...no coilovers until Powerball or my job pays more.
| Zoinks | 02-09-2006 07:28 PM |
Man... gonna be a fun summer in DC. :devil:
| gbwrx | 02-09-2006 09:42 PM |
I also have some D2 coilovers. I don't really have any complaints with them. Only thing I can think of bad about them is a little bit of noise. But, I could care less about that. They perform well for me. I have autox'd a friend's WRX with JICs on them and couldn't tell much of a difference performance wise between the two.
| D fresh | 02-10-2006 07:18 AM |
[QUOTE=forced4]The Cusco V1 under brace is allowed if you want a brace.[/QUOTE] :rolleyes:
Uhh, not so much.
Uhh, not so much.
| subaruwrx420 | 02-10-2006 09:30 AM |
After running STX for almost a year now...here are my mods.
Espiler GT springs 280F/230R
KYB AGX set to 4 always
PDE camber/caster plates, -3.3 camber / +6 caster
Ingalls rear camber bolts, -0.8 camber
Falken Azenis RT615 225/45/17 on Enkei RPF1 17x7.5 48 offset
Whiteline 24mm FSB
Helix 26mm RSB with Helix endlinks
AccessPort STX map
gutted up
Stromung TBE with hi-flow cat
Intake silencer delete with Amsoil panel filter
Goodridge SS lines & Motul fluid
B&M short throw shifter with COBB shifter bushings
I can say that the AccessPort helps a lot, especially around sweepers. Honestly, the Stage II map seems to give me more response toward the top end but the STX map gives more down low...so if you want to cheat and run the Stage II, it may be worse. I have not data logged it for a comparison but it feels that way on the butt dyno.
Practice as much as possible...sure there are guys running stiff coil overs that I best on course, there are others that I don't. Figure out your drivnig style and then build the car for that. I like to be very agreesive and get the rear end out. Sometimes it's not the fastest way because you are loosing time when the car slides, but it sure is fun. I just got a new alignment and I have gotten oversteer in sweepers a lot easier when I let off the gas a little midturn and then you can point the car and hit the gas.
We'll see what the Evolution School can for me next week.
Good luck.
Espiler GT springs 280F/230R
KYB AGX set to 4 always
PDE camber/caster plates, -3.3 camber / +6 caster
Ingalls rear camber bolts, -0.8 camber
Falken Azenis RT615 225/45/17 on Enkei RPF1 17x7.5 48 offset
Whiteline 24mm FSB
Helix 26mm RSB with Helix endlinks
AccessPort STX map
gutted up
Stromung TBE with hi-flow cat
Intake silencer delete with Amsoil panel filter
Goodridge SS lines & Motul fluid
B&M short throw shifter with COBB shifter bushings
I can say that the AccessPort helps a lot, especially around sweepers. Honestly, the Stage II map seems to give me more response toward the top end but the STX map gives more down low...so if you want to cheat and run the Stage II, it may be worse. I have not data logged it for a comparison but it feels that way on the butt dyno.
Practice as much as possible...sure there are guys running stiff coil overs that I best on course, there are others that I don't. Figure out your drivnig style and then build the car for that. I like to be very agreesive and get the rear end out. Sometimes it's not the fastest way because you are loosing time when the car slides, but it sure is fun. I just got a new alignment and I have gotten oversteer in sweepers a lot easier when I let off the gas a little midturn and then you can point the car and hit the gas.
We'll see what the Evolution School can for me next week.
Good luck.
| forced4 | 02-10-2006 11:10 AM |
[QUOTE=D fresh]:rolleyes:
Uhh, not so much.[/QUOTE]
Uhh, yeah it is. Triangulation is not allowed (V2 model).
2006 Rules 14.8.L :p
Uhh, not so much.[/QUOTE]
Uhh, yeah it is. Triangulation is not allowed (V2 model).
2006 Rules 14.8.L :p
| Butt Dyno | 02-10-2006 02:32 PM |
[QUOTE=Zoinks]Man... gonna be a fun summer in DC. :devil:[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah! I just realized who started this thread. Hi Shane! :)
Oh yeah! I just realized who started this thread. Hi Shane! :)
| joltdudeuc | 02-10-2006 02:50 PM |
[QUOTE=forced4]Uhh, yeah it is. Triangulation is not allowed (V2 model).
2006 Rules 14.8.L :p[/QUOTE]
yeah?
front and back?
as long as its straight across?
-Gagan
2006 Rules 14.8.L :p[/QUOTE]
yeah?
front and back?
as long as its straight across?
-Gagan
| forced4 | 02-10-2006 02:53 PM |
[QUOTE=joltdudeuc]yeah?
front and back?
as long as its straight across?
-Gagan[/QUOTE]
werd5
front and back?
as long as its straight across?
-Gagan[/QUOTE]
werd5
| joltdudeuc | 02-10-2006 02:58 PM |
[QUOTE=forced4]werd5[/QUOTE]
You're my hero today :)
I'll be giving Nukabe a call in the next month.
Where does the front bar bolt to? from the control arm mount across to the other side?
-Gagan
You're my hero today :)
I'll be giving Nukabe a call in the next month.
Where does the front bar bolt to? from the control arm mount across to the other side?
-Gagan
| forced4 | 02-10-2006 03:01 PM |
Control arm to control arm. Two bolts. 10 min incl getting it up on jack stands.
| D fresh | 02-10-2006 07:47 PM |
[QUOTE=forced4]Uhh, yeah it is. Triangulation is not allowed (V2 model).
2006 Rules 14.8.L :p[/QUOTE]
I stand corrected, I was thinking of the V2 model. :devil:
2006 Rules 14.8.L :p[/QUOTE]
I stand corrected, I was thinking of the V2 model. :devil:
| esper | 02-27-2006 05:27 PM |
I had a random STX question:
Would WRX wagons be allowed to switch to sedan fenders legally? I don't know if that fits under the "body kit" rules or not, so i'm wondering if anyone has seen one or knows of a ruling.
Would WRX wagons be allowed to switch to sedan fenders legally? I don't know if that fits under the "body kit" rules or not, so i'm wondering if anyone has seen one or knows of a ruling.
| thrdeye | 02-27-2006 05:37 PM |
Interesting. I don't think someone could argue that it would give you a performance advantage over the sedan, since the wagon is heavier anyway.
Technically, you would be running stock WRX fenders, so I don't know if it would be protestable.
Technically, you would be running stock WRX fenders, so I don't know if it would be protestable.
| ratt_finkel | 02-27-2006 05:47 PM |
[QUOTE=solo2wrx]Well yes but only in Street Prepared classes not in the ST* classes. Still must maintain stock boost levels in STX.[/QUOTE]
Yes an no, there is no debate going on in SP right now. For 2006, the decision has been made to open up boost control.
[QUOTE=bhamwrxman]OK. Missunderstanding on my part. ESP=take boost as high as I want. STX=13.5 lbs on the WReX. *yawn*
Guess I will stay in ESP.:cool:[/QUOTE]
Again, no boost control of any kind is allowed in STX. Which means just because your boost controller is set to the stock boost level, doesn't mean it's legal.
[QUOTE=esper]I had a random STX question:
Would WRX wagons be allowed to switch to sedan fenders legally? I don't know if that fits under the "body kit" rules or not, so i'm wondering if anyone has seen one or knows of a ruling.[/QUOTE]
Defintely not, that would be a gross interpretation of the rules. What body kit has you swaping fenders? I don't think the fender swap would even be legal in SP.
Yes an no, there is no debate going on in SP right now. For 2006, the decision has been made to open up boost control.
[QUOTE=bhamwrxman]OK. Missunderstanding on my part. ESP=take boost as high as I want. STX=13.5 lbs on the WReX. *yawn*
Guess I will stay in ESP.:cool:[/QUOTE]
Again, no boost control of any kind is allowed in STX. Which means just because your boost controller is set to the stock boost level, doesn't mean it's legal.
[QUOTE=esper]I had a random STX question:
Would WRX wagons be allowed to switch to sedan fenders legally? I don't know if that fits under the "body kit" rules or not, so i'm wondering if anyone has seen one or knows of a ruling.[/QUOTE]
Defintely not, that would be a gross interpretation of the rules. What body kit has you swaping fenders? I don't think the fender swap would even be legal in SP.
| zzyzx | 02-27-2006 06:05 PM |
[QUOTE=ratt_finkel]Defintely not, that would be a gross interpretation of the rules. What body kit has you swaping fenders? I don't think the fender swap would even be legal in SP.[/QUOTE]
Considering some of the types of mods I've seen on various SP cars at Solo Nats, I can't think of any one thing that would be clear protest bait on the fender mod rule. I personally have never seen an SP car protested for what I would consider "gross" interpretations of this rule...
Considering some of the types of mods I've seen on various SP cars at Solo Nats, I can't think of any one thing that would be clear protest bait on the fender mod rule. I personally have never seen an SP car protested for what I would consider "gross" interpretations of this rule...
| ratt_finkel | 02-27-2006 06:10 PM |
Steve, I meant more on the ST side than the SP side. Of course you can do extensive mods to the fenders in SP. Just not sure if a swap would be legal or not.
| crystalhelix | 02-27-2006 06:59 PM |
[QUOTE=ratt_finkel]Steve, I meant more on the ST side than the SP side. Of course you can do extensive mods to the fenders in SP. Just not sure if a swap would be legal or not.[/QUOTE]
Only modification of the fender from the hub face outward in SP. So unless the fender is the same part number I think it would be illegal to swap. But you could hack and bend the crap out of the original, lol. :lol:
Only modification of the fender from the hub face outward in SP. So unless the fender is the same part number I think it would be illegal to swap. But you could hack and bend the crap out of the original, lol. :lol:
| zzyzx | 02-27-2006 07:48 PM |
[QUOTE=ratt_finkel]Steve, I meant more on the ST side than the SP side. Of course you can do extensive mods to the fenders in SP. Just not sure if a swap would be legal or not.[/QUOTE]
Oops. I missed that.
Oops. I missed that.
| TheWRX | 02-28-2006 08:38 AM |
In SP, couldn't you put the sedan fenders on a wagon as an update/backdate? Both sedan and wagon are listed on the same line, so you can swap parts between the two.
It's definitely not allowed in ST.
It's definitely not allowed in ST.
| crystalhelix | 02-28-2006 08:47 AM |
[QUOTE=TheWRX]In SP, couldn't you put the sedan fenders on a wagon as an update/backdate? Both sedan and wagon are listed on the same line, so you can swap parts between the two.
It's definitely not allowed in ST.[/QUOTE]
Maybe? Never thought about the same line thing....
It's definitely not allowed in ST.[/QUOTE]
Maybe? Never thought about the same line thing....
| esper | 02-28-2006 09:49 AM |
oh well, the wagon fenders are i guess probably slightly lighter since they're smaller and slightly more aerodynamic since they stick out less =]
I just think they look kinda weenie. I'll keep them stock
I just think they look kinda weenie. I'll keep them stock
| Calamity Jesus | 02-28-2006 10:59 AM |
[QUOTE=esper]I had a random STX question:
Would WRX wagons be allowed to switch to sedan fenders legally? I don't know if that fits under the "body kit" rules or not, so i'm wondering if anyone has seen one or knows of a ruling.[/QUOTE]
[quote=14.2]E. Fenders may not be cut or flared but the inside lip may be rolled to gain additional tire clearance. Flares that are part of body kits may be attached to the stock fenders. [b]The intention is to permit fitting the maximum allowable tire size.[/b] No other changes to the stock fenders or wheel wells are permitted. Wear marks on inside surfaces of the fender well from tire rub are permitted. However, wear holes or slots completely through a fender well surface (which, in effect, provide additional tire clearance) are not permitted.[/quote] I suppose that if you could argue that you need the sedan fenders to fit 245 tires, then you would be approved.
Would WRX wagons be allowed to switch to sedan fenders legally? I don't know if that fits under the "body kit" rules or not, so i'm wondering if anyone has seen one or knows of a ruling.[/QUOTE]
[quote=14.2]E. Fenders may not be cut or flared but the inside lip may be rolled to gain additional tire clearance. Flares that are part of body kits may be attached to the stock fenders. [b]The intention is to permit fitting the maximum allowable tire size.[/b] No other changes to the stock fenders or wheel wells are permitted. Wear marks on inside surfaces of the fender well from tire rub are permitted. However, wear holes or slots completely through a fender well surface (which, in effect, provide additional tire clearance) are not permitted.[/quote] I suppose that if you could argue that you need the sedan fenders to fit 245 tires, then you would be approved.
| thrdeye | 02-28-2006 11:03 AM |
"WRX" is the only listing in DS. It doesn't differentiate between the wagon or sedan. Sedan fenders are "stock" fenders.
Like I said I think it is an interesting question.
Like I said I think it is an interesting question.
| jcroy66 | 02-28-2006 11:30 AM |
^^ "same line" only matters for SP. Not a whit for DS. The only way you could switch fenders in DS or ST, IMO, is if you did a full "package conversion". I'm imagining doing a complete switch of a sedan to a wagon or vice versa was probably not what the original poster had in mind.
And beaverboy, that is an extremely tortured interpretation and would never fly. Note that that statement allows ROLLING of inside fender lips only. Or attaching a flare on top of the stock fenders. It does not in any way allow for replacement of fenders.
And besides, it's a moot point. Garnjobst already proved in 2004 that it is possible to put 245s on a wagon...
And beaverboy, that is an extremely tortured interpretation and would never fly. Note that that statement allows ROLLING of inside fender lips only. Or attaching a flare on top of the stock fenders. It does not in any way allow for replacement of fenders.
And besides, it's a moot point. Garnjobst already proved in 2004 that it is possible to put 245s on a wagon...
| wm07 | 02-28-2006 12:48 PM |
I think using the update/back date rule, it's legal to have sedan fenders on wagons since they are on the same line. Very interesting point.
| Calamity Jesus | 02-28-2006 12:53 PM |
[QUOTE=jcroy66]And beaverboy, that is an extremely tortured interpretation and would never fly. Note that that statement allows ROLLING of inside fender lips only. Or attaching a flare on top of the stock fenders. It does not in any way allow for replacement of fenders.
And besides, it's a moot point. Garnjobst already proved in 2004 that it is possible to put 245s on a wagon...[/QUOTE]Err.. that's exactly what I was saying.. the rule is intended to allow someone to add flares or roll the fender in order to gain additional tire coverage.
My comment about arguing for sedan fenders on a wagon was tongue in cheek... since you can't argue that you need them.
And besides, it's a moot point. Garnjobst already proved in 2004 that it is possible to put 245s on a wagon...[/QUOTE]Err.. that's exactly what I was saying.. the rule is intended to allow someone to add flares or roll the fender in order to gain additional tire coverage.
My comment about arguing for sedan fenders on a wagon was tongue in cheek... since you can't argue that you need them.
| jcroy66 | 02-28-2006 01:43 PM |
Oops, I missed the sarcasm/tongue-in-cheek-iness. :o Sorry!!
| PJC1909 | 02-28-2006 01:48 PM |
New question: Can I use a subframe lock kit in STX?
thx,pat
thx,pat
| tuskenraider | 02-28-2006 03:47 PM |
Nope.
| PJC1909 | 02-28-2006 04:37 PM |
[QUOTE=tuskenraider]Nope.[/QUOTE]
thanks. guess i'll take it off.
thanks. guess i'll take it off.
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