| Rex_Guy | 10-23-2003 09:47 PM |
sylvania silver stars
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Are these bulbs any good? Where are some good places to find these cheap?
| Kean | 10-23-2003 11:34 PM |
I hate to say this, but a search would result in several topics on the subject. I think it would be worth your time to wade through the various threads. There have been many discussions regarding tinted bulbs. Personally, I had Sylvania SilverStars and ended up settling with the XtraVisions (clear). You may want to start by looking at this more recent thread:
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=424499&perpage=40&pagenumber=3[/url]
Good Luck,
Kean
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=424499&perpage=40&pagenumber=3[/url]
Good Luck,
Kean
| AzSandSlinger | 10-24-2003 01:19 AM |
After my Wal-Mart specials blew out (long story). I sprang for the S-Stars.. I swear by them... they are the best bulbs I ever had (in Halogen anyway). Just don't use those "El Cheapo, eBay, 8000K! woo-hoo Xenon" bulbs.. They'll burn your harness' more than likely.
-SHane
-SHane
| HiFiWRX | 10-24-2003 02:44 AM |
Silver Stars are by far the best bulbs I have used! I will only recommend stuff I am willing to use in my own car when people ask me about stuff and I would HIGHLY recommend the Silver Stars! Other than HID as of right now they are the only light bulbs I would run!
I am getting ready to sell my WRX and I have a 88 Honda accord that I got for a daily driver till I get my next WRX and I put them in that too! They are just GREAT bulbs!
I have tried everything from $10 ebay xenons to $70 Piaa bulbs and I still swear by the Silver Stars! They get [IMG]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif[/IMG] from me! :D
I am getting ready to sell my WRX and I have a 88 Honda accord that I got for a daily driver till I get my next WRX and I put them in that too! They are just GREAT bulbs!
I have tried everything from $10 ebay xenons to $70 Piaa bulbs and I still swear by the Silver Stars! They get [IMG]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif[/IMG] from me! :D
| subiekid | 10-24-2003 02:47 AM |
do they give you a bluish color? or are they pure white?
| HiFiWRX | 10-24-2003 03:18 AM |
I don't notice any "bluish color" I had some Rayberg lights that were bluish but these are the closest to "pure white" I have used except my $70 Piaa lights which burned out on me twice in about 6 months... I chose NOT to replace them the second time and switched to the Silver Stars ;)
I will try to take some pics of the difference between Silverstars and oem bulbs this weekend but I can't promise I will get them taken as I have a ton of stuff going on this weekend! There are probably comparison pics on the net already...
I read a ton of reports and tests and all that on here and just like anything alot of people like them and some don't... I highly recommend them :D
I will try to take some pics of the difference between Silverstars and oem bulbs this weekend but I can't promise I will get them taken as I have a ton of stuff going on this weekend! There are probably comparison pics on the net already...
I read a ton of reports and tests and all that on here and just like anything alot of people like them and some don't... I highly recommend them :D
| ruiner | 10-24-2003 03:21 AM |
Another big thumbs up for the Silverstar bulbs. I noticed increased output, less 'yellow' color from the factory bulbs, and I was much happier overall with them than the stockers. Had them in for about a year, no problems at all!
Chad
Chad
| 9o7wRx7o9 | 10-24-2003 04:28 AM |
If you're looking for a blue tint go with the Sylvania CoolBlues, same brand and just as good quality, however not as bright...and over time will fade into more of a purplish tint...still looks pretty cool i think but that's just me.
| wrx112 | 10-24-2003 04:57 AM |
silver star is bad arse hands down we are not worthy but whats the cheapest that some of you found they are like $20 each at autozone.
mike
mike
| Scooby Blue | 10-24-2003 05:42 AM |
Fwiw the silverstar light looks nice, pretty white w/ a little purple tint when compared to piaa super whites. Definately worth the money compared to the piaas tho.
The only thing is that neither of those bulbs did a damn when it rained or the road was wet. The light scattered and was no where on the road. I would stay with a non tinted HO bulb...or get HID if you can. :D
The only thing is that neither of those bulbs did a damn when it rained or the road was wet. The light scattered and was no where on the road. I would stay with a non tinted HO bulb...or get HID if you can. :D
| Orson | 10-24-2003 07:17 AM |
The Sylvania Silverstars have a tint on them to give the white color. The tint reduces total light output. Read the thread posted by Kean.
If you don't care about light color and simiply want the brightest bulb to see the farthest with, use Osram Silverstar (DO NOT confuse these with Silvania Silverstar) or Philips Hi-Visibility. Neither of these bulbs have light-robbing tints on them. You can get either from [url]http://lighting.mbz.org/[/url] - many people have ordered bulbs from Daniel Stern and say that he is a very helpful guy with great prices. His web-site also explains why you DO NOT want tinted bulbs like the Sylvania Silverstars: [url]http://lighting.mbz.org/tech/bulbs/bulbs.html[/url]
Educate yourself on this matter before you jump into the advertising hype and other people's subjective impressions.
If you don't care about light color and simiply want the brightest bulb to see the farthest with, use Osram Silverstar (DO NOT confuse these with Silvania Silverstar) or Philips Hi-Visibility. Neither of these bulbs have light-robbing tints on them. You can get either from [url]http://lighting.mbz.org/[/url] - many people have ordered bulbs from Daniel Stern and say that he is a very helpful guy with great prices. His web-site also explains why you DO NOT want tinted bulbs like the Sylvania Silverstars: [url]http://lighting.mbz.org/tech/bulbs/bulbs.html[/url]
Educate yourself on this matter before you jump into the advertising hype and other people's subjective impressions.
| Hank3 | 10-24-2003 08:43 AM |
Right on...
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Orson [/i]
[B]Educate yourself on this matter before you jump into the advertising hype and other people's subjective impressions. [/B][/QUOTE]
Can't agree with you more Ors...;)
[B]Educate yourself on this matter before you jump into the advertising hype and other people's subjective impressions. [/B][/QUOTE]
Can't agree with you more Ors...;)
| Maicca | 10-24-2003 10:58 AM |
I would have to concur on the "think again." I have had Silverstars in my high beams for about a year now. JUST bought some for my low beams.
YES, they are brighter and whiter than stock.
YES, they are tinted blue, which reduces the light output.
I plan on replacing my high beams and the low beams that I have yet to open. The light itself causes a lot of glare on road signs and the whiter light doesn't agree with my eyes.................and I had HIDs in the car up until recently.
Switched to normal halogens and it's a lot easier on my eyes, a lot more light out there (thats able to be used) and no glare.
Going with Philips XtraVision ;)
YES, they are brighter and whiter than stock.
YES, they are tinted blue, which reduces the light output.
I plan on replacing my high beams and the low beams that I have yet to open. The light itself causes a lot of glare on road signs and the whiter light doesn't agree with my eyes.................and I had HIDs in the car up until recently.
Switched to normal halogens and it's a lot easier on my eyes, a lot more light out there (thats able to be used) and no glare.
Going with Philips XtraVision ;)
| HiFiWRX | 10-24-2003 01:21 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Orson [/i]
[B]Educate yourself on this matter before you jump into the advertising hype and other people's subjective impressions. [/B][/QUOTE] Umm he asked for our opinons on them... :rolleyes:
I am glad that someone did that "study" but I will say this, The Silver Stars are better than stock in any situation I have been in, rain, snow, plain old darkmness... IMHO the difference in light output between the Silver Stars and the above Oshram lights is minute at best (the purplish tint the Silverstars is VERY, VERY light... ;) )
The thing I liked about the Silver Stars is that they fufilled my lighting needs, which was to be able to see alot better at night than I could with the stock ones at a reasonable price. Also it doesn't hurt that I can buy them at the local Autozone and if they burn out I don't have to wait for some place to ship me new ones...
If you ant lights that work 100x better Get HIDs If the Oshram lights were sitting on the Autozone shelf next to the Silver Stars would I get them? I probably would, but convenience is also a factor for me when buying something like this... Convenience, Reliability, Price and Performance all play a roll when I look for lights... To me the Silver Stars while I admit, not the absolute brightest lights on the market, fit my needs in all those areas. So there is my "subjective impression"
Sorry to sound blunt but your statement looked as though it completely discounted our opinions on this topic... Which is kind of arrogant sounding...
I am sure the referenced material is good stuff and I have read some of it, but IMHO the Silver Stars are worth EVERY PENNY due to their levels of Reliability, Availaiability, Price and Performance... If you REALLY want to get the best lighting, buck up and go HID. ;)
[B]Educate yourself on this matter before you jump into the advertising hype and other people's subjective impressions. [/B][/QUOTE] Umm he asked for our opinons on them... :rolleyes:
I am glad that someone did that "study" but I will say this, The Silver Stars are better than stock in any situation I have been in, rain, snow, plain old darkmness... IMHO the difference in light output between the Silver Stars and the above Oshram lights is minute at best (the purplish tint the Silverstars is VERY, VERY light... ;) )
The thing I liked about the Silver Stars is that they fufilled my lighting needs, which was to be able to see alot better at night than I could with the stock ones at a reasonable price. Also it doesn't hurt that I can buy them at the local Autozone and if they burn out I don't have to wait for some place to ship me new ones...
If you ant lights that work 100x better Get HIDs If the Oshram lights were sitting on the Autozone shelf next to the Silver Stars would I get them? I probably would, but convenience is also a factor for me when buying something like this... Convenience, Reliability, Price and Performance all play a roll when I look for lights... To me the Silver Stars while I admit, not the absolute brightest lights on the market, fit my needs in all those areas. So there is my "subjective impression"
Sorry to sound blunt but your statement looked as though it completely discounted our opinions on this topic... Which is kind of arrogant sounding...
I am sure the referenced material is good stuff and I have read some of it, but IMHO the Silver Stars are worth EVERY PENNY due to their levels of Reliability, Availaiability, Price and Performance... If you REALLY want to get the best lighting, buck up and go HID. ;)
| Kean | 10-24-2003 02:13 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by HiFiWRX [/i]
[B]Umm he asked for our opinons on them... :rolleyes:[/B][/QUOTE]
......and Orson gave him his (rather bluntly, but his point is valid). I succumbed to the subjective opinion of my friend when I purchased my SilverStars a while back. I realized a diminished amount of useable light during wet conditions. I also came across the info reagrding tinted buls and it all began to make sense. I switched to Sylvania's other "aftermarket" bulb, the XtraVisions. They are clear and better than the stock Sylvania 9007's in my opinion. Osram SilverStars are my next step.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by HiFiWRX [/i]
[B]I am glad that someone did that "study" but I will say this, The silver Stars are better than stock in any situation I have been in, rain, snow, plain old darkmness... IMHO the difference in light output between the Silver Stars and the above Oshram lights is minute at best (the purplish tint the Silverstars is VERY, VERY light... ;) )[/B][/QUOTE]
I'm not trying to be a smarty, but did you actually try out the Osram SilverStars?
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by HiFiWRX [/i]
[B]The thing I liked about the Silver Stars is that they fufilled my lighting needs, which was to be able to see alot better at night than I could with the stock ones at a reasonable price. Also it doesn't hurt that I can buy them at the local Autozone and if they burn out I don't have to wait for some place to ship me new ones...
If you ant lights that work 100x better Get HIDs If the Oshram lights were sitting on the autozone shelf next to the Silver Stars would I get them? Sure I would but convenience is also a factor for me when buying something like this... Convenience, Reliability, Price and Performance all play a roll when I look for lights... To me the Silver Stars while I admit, not the absolute brightest lights on the market, fit my needs in all those areas. So there is my "subjective impression" Sorry to sound blunt but your statement looked as though it completely discounted our opinions on this topic... I am sure the refrenced material is good stuff and I have read some of it, but IMHO the Silver Stars are worth EVERY PENNY due to their Performance, Availaiability, Price and Performance... If you REALLY want to get the best lighting, buck up and go HID. ;) [/B][/QUOTE]
Sylvania Xtravisions are available at the same stores and are usually located right next to the SiverStars in most cases.
To be quite honest, I think Orson's point [i]was[/i] to discount the subjective comments by giving Rex_Guy an objective point of view in contrast. As I've said before, the subject has been discussed many, many times before. The link I included has some very interesting discussions from [i]both[/i] sides. It's really is worth a read.
- Kean
[B]Umm he asked for our opinons on them... :rolleyes:[/B][/QUOTE]
......and Orson gave him his (rather bluntly, but his point is valid). I succumbed to the subjective opinion of my friend when I purchased my SilverStars a while back. I realized a diminished amount of useable light during wet conditions. I also came across the info reagrding tinted buls and it all began to make sense. I switched to Sylvania's other "aftermarket" bulb, the XtraVisions. They are clear and better than the stock Sylvania 9007's in my opinion. Osram SilverStars are my next step.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by HiFiWRX [/i]
[B]I am glad that someone did that "study" but I will say this, The silver Stars are better than stock in any situation I have been in, rain, snow, plain old darkmness... IMHO the difference in light output between the Silver Stars and the above Oshram lights is minute at best (the purplish tint the Silverstars is VERY, VERY light... ;) )[/B][/QUOTE]
I'm not trying to be a smarty, but did you actually try out the Osram SilverStars?
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by HiFiWRX [/i]
[B]The thing I liked about the Silver Stars is that they fufilled my lighting needs, which was to be able to see alot better at night than I could with the stock ones at a reasonable price. Also it doesn't hurt that I can buy them at the local Autozone and if they burn out I don't have to wait for some place to ship me new ones...
If you ant lights that work 100x better Get HIDs If the Oshram lights were sitting on the autozone shelf next to the Silver Stars would I get them? Sure I would but convenience is also a factor for me when buying something like this... Convenience, Reliability, Price and Performance all play a roll when I look for lights... To me the Silver Stars while I admit, not the absolute brightest lights on the market, fit my needs in all those areas. So there is my "subjective impression" Sorry to sound blunt but your statement looked as though it completely discounted our opinions on this topic... I am sure the refrenced material is good stuff and I have read some of it, but IMHO the Silver Stars are worth EVERY PENNY due to their Performance, Availaiability, Price and Performance... If you REALLY want to get the best lighting, buck up and go HID. ;) [/B][/QUOTE]
Sylvania Xtravisions are available at the same stores and are usually located right next to the SiverStars in most cases.
To be quite honest, I think Orson's point [i]was[/i] to discount the subjective comments by giving Rex_Guy an objective point of view in contrast. As I've said before, the subject has been discussed many, many times before. The link I included has some very interesting discussions from [i]both[/i] sides. It's really is worth a read.
- Kean
| HiFiWRX | 10-24-2003 02:50 PM |
Actually Yes I did try the Oshram lights and they were good bulbs, I took a rock to one light and had to replace it when I did I had to wait to get the Oshram lights which was a PITA so in the intrum I went to the store and got some Sylvania Silver Stars and they were IMHO about 99% as good, the 1% difference was not worth the time and effort to me to get the Oshrams. I also tried the standard Sylvania bulbs they had at the store and they were no better than OEM so I then returned them and went with the Silver Stars.
I agree with most of the points too, I just didn't like the fact that our opinions were discounted and somehow this magical info was more credible or reliable for some reason... :rolleyes: it made no sense to me... That's all...
Like I said I gave my honest opinion based on my experiences and if I gather correctly that is what everyone has done here too So take it for what you will and let that be it... Don't pretend that our opinions don't matter and someone elses are somehow "better" ;)
I agree with most of the points too, I just didn't like the fact that our opinions were discounted and somehow this magical info was more credible or reliable for some reason... :rolleyes: it made no sense to me... That's all...
Like I said I gave my honest opinion based on my experiences and if I gather correctly that is what everyone has done here too So take it for what you will and let that be it... Don't pretend that our opinions don't matter and someone elses are somehow "better" ;)
| MisterWRX | 10-24-2003 02:51 PM |
Silverstars are awesome for the money and performance! It's just Bright White light and none of those Bluish crap!
I was surprised to see them at Walmart! I have 2004 which uses the H1 bulbs. They are tougher to get anywhere else because they're still new.
I ordered mine directly from Silvania! :)
I was surprised to see them at Walmart! I have 2004 which uses the H1 bulbs. They are tougher to get anywhere else because they're still new.
I ordered mine directly from Silvania! :)
| Kean | 10-24-2003 04:33 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by HiFiWRX [/i]
[B]Actually Yes I did try the Oshram lights and they were good bulbs, I took a rock to one light and had to replace it when I did I had to wait to get the Oshram lights which was a PITA so in the intrum I went to the store and got some Sylvania Silver Stars and they were IMHO about 99% as good, the 1% difference was not worth the time and effort to me to get the Oshrams. I also tried the standard Sylvania bulbs they had at the store and they were no better than OEM so I then returned them and went with the Silver Stars.[/B][/QUOTE]
hmmmm.....I'm still curious to see how they will compare to my XtraVisions. I know pictures can't represent light in it's true form, but I may still take a few when I get a pair (I still have my SilverStars as well for comparison).
As far as the "standard" Sylvania bulbs, that is what you should already have as OEM. The XtraVisions are the ones that are "supposed" to be better than stock (just as their SilverStars are claimed to be). I would agree that the light output appears brighter with both. However, it's the filtering effect that tint (which is on the U.S. SilverStars) has on visible/useable light that is the controversy.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by HiFiWRX [/i]
[B]I agree with most of the points too, I just didn't like the fact that our opinions were discounted and somehow this magical info was more credible or reliable for some reason... :rolleyes: it made no sense to me... That's all... Like I said I gave my honest opinion based on my experiences and if I gather correctly that is what everyone has done here too So take it for what you will and let that be it... Don't pretend that our opinions don't matter and someone elses are somehow "better" ;) [/B][/QUOTE]
I'm sure Orson can defend himself or explain why he worded his replies in such a way. ........My personal point is that I'm trying to provide some links to studies/facts/data regarding the subject of coated bulbs (not "magical" info). If Rex_Guy wants to make a purchase based on subjective responses/comments........that's his decision. At least he has an objective point of view as well that he can consider. Personally speaking, there was no offense intended toward you or any of the others in this thread.
btw, the name of the company is "Osram" (not Oshram). ;)
- Kean
[B]Actually Yes I did try the Oshram lights and they were good bulbs, I took a rock to one light and had to replace it when I did I had to wait to get the Oshram lights which was a PITA so in the intrum I went to the store and got some Sylvania Silver Stars and they were IMHO about 99% as good, the 1% difference was not worth the time and effort to me to get the Oshrams. I also tried the standard Sylvania bulbs they had at the store and they were no better than OEM so I then returned them and went with the Silver Stars.[/B][/QUOTE]
hmmmm.....I'm still curious to see how they will compare to my XtraVisions. I know pictures can't represent light in it's true form, but I may still take a few when I get a pair (I still have my SilverStars as well for comparison).
As far as the "standard" Sylvania bulbs, that is what you should already have as OEM. The XtraVisions are the ones that are "supposed" to be better than stock (just as their SilverStars are claimed to be). I would agree that the light output appears brighter with both. However, it's the filtering effect that tint (which is on the U.S. SilverStars) has on visible/useable light that is the controversy.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by HiFiWRX [/i]
[B]I agree with most of the points too, I just didn't like the fact that our opinions were discounted and somehow this magical info was more credible or reliable for some reason... :rolleyes: it made no sense to me... That's all... Like I said I gave my honest opinion based on my experiences and if I gather correctly that is what everyone has done here too So take it for what you will and let that be it... Don't pretend that our opinions don't matter and someone elses are somehow "better" ;) [/B][/QUOTE]
I'm sure Orson can defend himself or explain why he worded his replies in such a way. ........My personal point is that I'm trying to provide some links to studies/facts/data regarding the subject of coated bulbs (not "magical" info). If Rex_Guy wants to make a purchase based on subjective responses/comments........that's his decision. At least he has an objective point of view as well that he can consider. Personally speaking, there was no offense intended toward you or any of the others in this thread.
btw, the name of the company is "Osram" (not Oshram). ;)
- Kean
| Rex_Guy | 10-24-2003 04:38 PM |
What size/ number are the bulbs? 9004, 9005, 9006, 9007, 9008?? I have no idea what this means.
| Rex_Guy | 10-24-2003 04:44 PM |
oh yea, its an 04 wrx
| Kean | 10-24-2003 04:45 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Rex_Guy [/i]
[B]What size/ number are the bulbs? 9004, 9005, 9006, 9007, 9008?? I have no idea what this means. [/B][/QUOTE]
They're 9007 for the '02 & '03's, but I'm not sure if it's the same for the '04's.
Can someone confirm this?
- Kean
[B]What size/ number are the bulbs? 9004, 9005, 9006, 9007, 9008?? I have no idea what this means. [/B][/QUOTE]
They're 9007 for the '02 & '03's, but I'm not sure if it's the same for the '04's.
Can someone confirm this?
- Kean
| Orson | 10-24-2003 06:00 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by HiFiWRX [/i]
[B]I agree with most of the points too, I just didn't like the fact that our opinions were discounted and somehow this magical info was more credible or reliable for some reason... :rolleyes: it made no sense to me... That's all...[/B][/QUOTE]
Well, I do in fact discount these opinions, including my own! And yes, I do consider that information more credible. Have you looked at this guy's experience?
The information on Daniel Stern's web site isn't "magical", but it does come from someone who does this for a living and appears to be an expert in the field. I would trust what he says about lighting over anyone here (including me), unless someone here has comparable credentials. You should read his response to NHTSA regarding lighting - it gives you an idea of the depth of his understanding on lighting issues. I have seen no one else here offer this level of understanding. Subjective impressions, while they do ultimately control the consumer's dollar, frequently are at odds with reality and lighting seems to be one such example.
Note that his writings even address why some people feel they see better with tinted bulbs. Note also that he explains why this is an [u]ILLUSION[/u].
This is rather like choosing a tire for maximum grip. If you truly are out to cut lap times, would you rather trust your subjective impressions or data from a stop-watch or skid-pad? If, on the other hand, you are just out to have fun, by all means trust your butt in selecting a tire.
If you want to look cool with blue tinted bulbs, go ahead and buy tinted bulbs. If you want to see further, trust the opinions from the experts that have already studied this and have experimental data to back up their assertions.
[B]I agree with most of the points too, I just didn't like the fact that our opinions were discounted and somehow this magical info was more credible or reliable for some reason... :rolleyes: it made no sense to me... That's all...[/B][/QUOTE]
Well, I do in fact discount these opinions, including my own! And yes, I do consider that information more credible. Have you looked at this guy's experience?
The information on Daniel Stern's web site isn't "magical", but it does come from someone who does this for a living and appears to be an expert in the field. I would trust what he says about lighting over anyone here (including me), unless someone here has comparable credentials. You should read his response to NHTSA regarding lighting - it gives you an idea of the depth of his understanding on lighting issues. I have seen no one else here offer this level of understanding. Subjective impressions, while they do ultimately control the consumer's dollar, frequently are at odds with reality and lighting seems to be one such example.
Note that his writings even address why some people feel they see better with tinted bulbs. Note also that he explains why this is an [u]ILLUSION[/u].
This is rather like choosing a tire for maximum grip. If you truly are out to cut lap times, would you rather trust your subjective impressions or data from a stop-watch or skid-pad? If, on the other hand, you are just out to have fun, by all means trust your butt in selecting a tire.
If you want to look cool with blue tinted bulbs, go ahead and buy tinted bulbs. If you want to see further, trust the opinions from the experts that have already studied this and have experimental data to back up their assertions.
| RSEnigma | 10-24-2003 06:32 PM |
i love my silvania's! the silver stars r some of the best bulbs out there and aren't gona take a leg off of ya like piaa. my friends make me drive infront cuz they get head aches when we cruise and i get ppl flash me for high beams every once in a while. i say get them!
| HiFiWRX | 10-24-2003 06:36 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Orson [/i]
[B]Well, I do in fact discount these opinions, including my own! And yes, I do consider that information more credible. Have you looked at this guy's experience?
The information on Daniel Stern's web site isn't "magical", but it does come from someone who does this for a living and appears to be an expert in the field. I would trust what he says about lighting over anyone here (including me), unless someone here has comparable credentials. You should read his response to NHTSA regarding lighting - it gives you an idea of the depth of his understanding on lighting issues. I have seen no one else here offer this level of understanding. Subjective impressions, while they do ultimately control the consumer's dollar, frequently are at odds with reality and lighting seems to be one such example.
Note that his writings even address why some people feel they see better with tinted bulbs. Note also that he explains why this is an [u]ILLUSION[/u].
This is rather like choosing a tire for maximum grip. If you truly are out to cut lap times, would you rather trust your subjective impressions or data from a stop-watch or skid-pad? If, on the other hand, you are just out to have fun, by all means trust your butt in selecting a tire.
If you want to look cool with blue tinted bulbs, go ahead and buy tinted bulbs. If you want to see further, trust the opinions from the experts that have already studied this and have experimental data to back up their assertions. [/B][/QUOTE] I see your point but to tell you the truth I would trust my own eyes before I trust paper fact... I don't care what a piece of paper tells me, if I can use my eyes to see farther with one bulb than another then I will chose that bulb... But that's just me... Like I said he asked
"Are these bulbs any good?"
I answered YES THEY ARE... ;) I'll stick to that!
[B]Well, I do in fact discount these opinions, including my own! And yes, I do consider that information more credible. Have you looked at this guy's experience?
The information on Daniel Stern's web site isn't "magical", but it does come from someone who does this for a living and appears to be an expert in the field. I would trust what he says about lighting over anyone here (including me), unless someone here has comparable credentials. You should read his response to NHTSA regarding lighting - it gives you an idea of the depth of his understanding on lighting issues. I have seen no one else here offer this level of understanding. Subjective impressions, while they do ultimately control the consumer's dollar, frequently are at odds with reality and lighting seems to be one such example.
Note that his writings even address why some people feel they see better with tinted bulbs. Note also that he explains why this is an [u]ILLUSION[/u].
This is rather like choosing a tire for maximum grip. If you truly are out to cut lap times, would you rather trust your subjective impressions or data from a stop-watch or skid-pad? If, on the other hand, you are just out to have fun, by all means trust your butt in selecting a tire.
If you want to look cool with blue tinted bulbs, go ahead and buy tinted bulbs. If you want to see further, trust the opinions from the experts that have already studied this and have experimental data to back up their assertions. [/B][/QUOTE] I see your point but to tell you the truth I would trust my own eyes before I trust paper fact... I don't care what a piece of paper tells me, if I can use my eyes to see farther with one bulb than another then I will chose that bulb... But that's just me... Like I said he asked
"Are these bulbs any good?"
I answered YES THEY ARE... ;) I'll stick to that!
| AWD2seater | 10-24-2003 06:38 PM |
I like the quality i bought mine at autozone......:disco:
| Got Groceries? | 10-24-2003 07:21 PM |
Don't rule out the Philips Hi-Visibility bulbs...$16 for two and they're every bit as good as the Silverstars. gtguy did a headlight bulb shootout a few months back and these bulbs came out on top, beating out the Silverstars (according to him). Nice white light, very good in the rain. I've had mine for 8 months now in a variety of driving situations (snow, rain, etc.) and I've got nothing but good things to say about them. My $.02
| gtguy | 10-24-2003 07:27 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Got Groceries? [/i]
[B]Don't rule out the Philips Hi-Visibility bulbs...$16 for two and they're every bit as good as the Silverstars. gtguy did a headlight bulb shootout a few months back and these bulbs came out on top, beating out the Silverstars (according to him). Nice white light, very good in the rain. I've had mine for 8 months now in a variety of driving situations (snow, rain, etc.) and I've got nothing but good things to say about them. My $.02 [/B][/QUOTE]
Indeed. Can't claim the test was at all scientific. It was simply put the bulbs in, and see how they work. Pretty much everything except stock performed better than SilverStars, particularly the Sylvania XtraVision and the Philips HiVisibility. You not only got more light, but more usable light.
Mind you, none of them are an HID-like difference compared to the stockers, but the differences are significant.
Does anyone know what bulb the 2004 has it it? For H-series bulbs, the Philips VisionPlus kicks out some serious jams.
Kevin
[B]Don't rule out the Philips Hi-Visibility bulbs...$16 for two and they're every bit as good as the Silverstars. gtguy did a headlight bulb shootout a few months back and these bulbs came out on top, beating out the Silverstars (according to him). Nice white light, very good in the rain. I've had mine for 8 months now in a variety of driving situations (snow, rain, etc.) and I've got nothing but good things to say about them. My $.02 [/B][/QUOTE]
Indeed. Can't claim the test was at all scientific. It was simply put the bulbs in, and see how they work. Pretty much everything except stock performed better than SilverStars, particularly the Sylvania XtraVision and the Philips HiVisibility. You not only got more light, but more usable light.
Mind you, none of them are an HID-like difference compared to the stockers, but the differences are significant.
Does anyone know what bulb the 2004 has it it? For H-series bulbs, the Philips VisionPlus kicks out some serious jams.
Kevin
| bmorton | 10-24-2003 08:57 PM |
The 2004 uses H1 lows and 9005 highs. Just installed the Philips VisionPlus lows and Philips Premium highs tonight. The VisionPlus bulbs are a bit whiter and appear to cast a wider, more even beam than the stock bulb does (I drove down a dark country road with one VisionPlus and one stock bulb installed).
I was surprised to see that the VisionPlus H1 bulbs have a blue coating on the tip. Fortunately it's not enough to give the headlights that cheesy blue colour, so maybe its purpose is to whiten the light somewhat.
I was surprised to see that the VisionPlus H1 bulbs have a blue coating on the tip. Fortunately it's not enough to give the headlights that cheesy blue colour, so maybe its purpose is to whiten the light somewhat.
| Jfrankon | 10-24-2003 09:26 PM |
IMHO, For the ease of finding them and their reliability, I vote for the Silverstars too! I know I am no expert (so Kean & Orson, you can just skip to the next post), but I have had these bulbs for over 1 year with no complaints, no failures. In fact I recommended them for my Bro to put in his 95 Saab turbo (he did and he really likes them). Also, for their price you can't beat them.
Good luck,
John (not an expert like Daniel Stern);)
Good luck,
John (not an expert like Daniel Stern);)
| Orson | 10-24-2003 10:38 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Jfrankon [/i]
[B]IMHO, For the ease of finding them and their reliability, I vote for the Silverstars too! [/B][/QUOTE]
Hey, ease of finding is a legitimate attribute to look for! The point is not "Sylvania Silverstars are evil." The point is that you should understand the trade-offs. If you value having white light over visibility, that's your choice as long as you understand that compromise.
On reliability, Slyvania SilverStars have a very poor track record. If you search through the forums, you'll find plenty of people who have had them replaced multiple times. If you care about reliability, the nod would seem to go to the Osram and Philips bulbs - I haven't seen anyone post about reliability problems with these bulbs the way many have about the Sylvania's.
[B]IMHO, For the ease of finding them and their reliability, I vote for the Silverstars too! [/B][/QUOTE]
Hey, ease of finding is a legitimate attribute to look for! The point is not "Sylvania Silverstars are evil." The point is that you should understand the trade-offs. If you value having white light over visibility, that's your choice as long as you understand that compromise.
On reliability, Slyvania SilverStars have a very poor track record. If you search through the forums, you'll find plenty of people who have had them replaced multiple times. If you care about reliability, the nod would seem to go to the Osram and Philips bulbs - I haven't seen anyone post about reliability problems with these bulbs the way many have about the Sylvania's.
| Orson | 10-24-2003 10:40 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by bmorton [/i]
[B]I was surprised to see that the VisionPlus H1 bulbs have a blue coating on the tip. Fortunately it's not enough to give the headlights that cheesy blue colour, so maybe its purpose is to whiten the light somewhat. [/B][/QUOTE]
The tip of the bulb is one thing. The rest of the bulb is another. Most bulbs in the H1 and H7 design (among others) have some sort of opaque coating or translucent coating on the tip. The coating on the tip is to avoid a hot spot of light on the road.
[B]I was surprised to see that the VisionPlus H1 bulbs have a blue coating on the tip. Fortunately it's not enough to give the headlights that cheesy blue colour, so maybe its purpose is to whiten the light somewhat. [/B][/QUOTE]
The tip of the bulb is one thing. The rest of the bulb is another. Most bulbs in the H1 and H7 design (among others) have some sort of opaque coating or translucent coating on the tip. The coating on the tip is to avoid a hot spot of light on the road.
| strohausii | 10-25-2003 03:06 AM |
I have had silverstars for almost a year now, and I still love them. I do have to admit that in the rain i've been left wanting more and would double check to see if the lights are really on.
| j.reed | 10-25-2003 04:16 AM |
I don't know why y'all love the Silverstars, I got mine, hearing they were the best, at the time they didn't have H3 (and might still not) so I had to buy a different brand. They turned out to be much whiter and and had a better light dispirsement then the Silverstars. The other brand turned out to be as much of an improvement over the Silverstars as the Silverstars were over stock.
| dman918 | 10-25-2003 11:17 AM |
I think the silverstars suck. I had them in my stock headlights and they were very yellow and looked like stock. [IMG]http://www.mustangmods.com/data/263/shrug.gif [/IMG]
Anyone have some pics of what they look like in morettes?
Anyone have some pics of what they look like in morettes?
| bmorton | 10-25-2003 11:25 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Orson [/i]
[B]The tip of the bulb is one thing. The rest of the bulb is another. Most bulbs in the H1 and H7 design (among others) have some sort of opaque coating or translucent coating on the tip. The coating on the tip is to avoid a hot spot of light on the road. [/B][/QUOTE]
Well, the opaque 'cap' you see on the end of H4 bulbs, for example, is not what I mean. The stock Philips H1 bulbs I removed from my car are completely clear. The VisionPlus bulbs have a blue tip. If you look at an H4 VisionPlus bulb you see both -- the opaque tip and then a blue translucent stripe. The only reason I can think of to have this bit of blue on the bulb is to change the colour of the emitted light slightly -- not nearly as much as if the entire bulb were tinted.
[B]The tip of the bulb is one thing. The rest of the bulb is another. Most bulbs in the H1 and H7 design (among others) have some sort of opaque coating or translucent coating on the tip. The coating on the tip is to avoid a hot spot of light on the road. [/B][/QUOTE]
Well, the opaque 'cap' you see on the end of H4 bulbs, for example, is not what I mean. The stock Philips H1 bulbs I removed from my car are completely clear. The VisionPlus bulbs have a blue tip. If you look at an H4 VisionPlus bulb you see both -- the opaque tip and then a blue translucent stripe. The only reason I can think of to have this bit of blue on the bulb is to change the colour of the emitted light slightly -- not nearly as much as if the entire bulb were tinted.
| Jfrankon | 10-25-2003 12:13 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Orson [/i]
If you care about reliability, the nod would seem to go to the Osram and Philips bulbs - I haven't seen anyone post about reliability problems with these bulbs the way many have about the Sylvania's. [/B][/QUOTE]
That's because proportionally speaking, more people are buying the silverstars because they are easier to find!! LOL!:lol:
Seriously, I understand your POV.:)
Reliability wise, I honestly believe most bulbs are pretty reliable, as long as they are handled and installed properly. I believe that here is wear the reliability issues arise (ie- finger smears and forcing the install).
If you care about reliability, the nod would seem to go to the Osram and Philips bulbs - I haven't seen anyone post about reliability problems with these bulbs the way many have about the Sylvania's. [/B][/QUOTE]
That's because proportionally speaking, more people are buying the silverstars because they are easier to find!! LOL!:lol:
Seriously, I understand your POV.:)
Reliability wise, I honestly believe most bulbs are pretty reliable, as long as they are handled and installed properly. I believe that here is wear the reliability issues arise (ie- finger smears and forcing the install).
| Jfrankon | 10-25-2003 12:16 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by dman918 [/i]
[B] I had them in my stock headlights and they were very yellow and looked like stock. [/B][/QUOTE]
That is just not possible. :confused: :eek:
[B] I had them in my stock headlights and they were very yellow and looked like stock. [/B][/QUOTE]
That is just not possible. :confused: :eek:
| dman918 | 10-25-2003 01:30 PM |
They did. I had both a silverstar and a stock bulb in and both my girlfriend and I could not see barely ANY difference between the two.
| strohausii | 10-26-2003 12:35 AM |
seriously, i've gotta polish my plastic headlight housing lens, but they are still white.:(
| WRXtreme04 | 10-26-2003 02:11 AM |
Low beam is an h1 bulb
high beam i believe is a 9003 but i'm not sure.
I just got h1 piaas for my 04. Does anyone have any comments on the piaa bulbs that theyd like to share . good and bad.
high beam i believe is a 9003 but i'm not sure.
I just got h1 piaas for my 04. Does anyone have any comments on the piaa bulbs that theyd like to share . good and bad.
| gtguy | 10-26-2003 09:29 AM |
I ran PIAAs in my Legacy GT...stock threw more effective light, though the PIAA light was whiter. In the rain, you got the "are my lights on" phenomenon.
Hey Dman, if you're running Morettes, just get some H7 VisionPlus bulbs from Philips. They own. They were my base, when I looked at all the other bulbs. The difference was impressive.
Kevin
Hey Dman, if you're running Morettes, just get some H7 VisionPlus bulbs from Philips. They own. They were my base, when I looked at all the other bulbs. The difference was impressive.
Kevin
| dman918 | 10-26-2003 12:02 PM |
OK, I will try them out. Will they have any yellow to them? I really hate the yellow tone. I really like my fogs, which have piaas. I just don't want to spend $60 on a set of bulbs. Where would you reccommend getting them?
Thanks,
Mike
Thanks,
Mike
| gtguy | 10-26-2003 12:31 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by dman918 [/i]
[B]OK, I will try them out. Will they have any yellow to them? I really hate the yellow tone. I really like my fogs, which have piaas. I just don't want to spend $60 on a set of bulbs. Where would you reccommend getting them?
Thanks,
Mike [/B][/QUOTE]
No yellow, no blue...just bright white. Nice stuff. I got mine from PowerBulbs in the UK. Fast shipping, usually at your door within five days. I've forgotten how much they cost, but they're cheap at the price. A friend put them in his Volvo wagon, and loves them. Impressive improvement, as with my Scooby (Prodrive headlights).
Kevin
[B]OK, I will try them out. Will they have any yellow to them? I really hate the yellow tone. I really like my fogs, which have piaas. I just don't want to spend $60 on a set of bulbs. Where would you reccommend getting them?
Thanks,
Mike [/B][/QUOTE]
No yellow, no blue...just bright white. Nice stuff. I got mine from PowerBulbs in the UK. Fast shipping, usually at your door within five days. I've forgotten how much they cost, but they're cheap at the price. A friend put them in his Volvo wagon, and loves them. Impressive improvement, as with my Scooby (Prodrive headlights).
Kevin
| Ghostrider600 | 10-27-2003 10:34 PM |
Found this at suvlights.com:
[QUOTE]What is the difference between the Sylvania Silverstar and the Osram Silverstar?
Osram Sylvania is one and the same company, within the US they use both Osram and Sylvania, outside the US its Osram. The Osram Silverstar is a clear bulb with Xenon gas boost to increase brightness up to 50% color is similar to standard halogen though it is slightly whiter. The Sylvania Silverstar is the same bulb but with an amethyst blue coating with 30% more light than standard halogen and 4000K light color which is comparable to Xenon/High Intensity Discharge Light Systems as seen on high end cars from Acura, Audi, BMW, Cadillac, Lexus, Mercedes Benz, Porsche to name a few.
Sylvania Silverstar is currently available in 9003/H4, 9004, 9005, 9006, 9007 & sealed beam sizes, the Sylvania Silverstar is the Super White (blue/grey coated) version of the Osram Silverstar (clear) which is available in H1, H4, & H7. Osram Silverstar color is slightly whiter (very slightly) than regular halogen. We also have the Narva Range Power Blue bulbs are made in Germany and DOT compliant. The Osram Silverstar is E code (ECE Reg 37) but not tested for DOT compliance (FMVSS 108) since the bulb is made for the European market, but most likely meets US DOT standards if tested. All these bulbs are stock wattage so it will not have any effect on wiring.
[/QUOTE]
Now, anyone know what size/style bulbs are in the 2004 Forester XTs?
'Cuz the stockers aren't cutting it in the rain...
Thanks. ;)
[QUOTE]What is the difference between the Sylvania Silverstar and the Osram Silverstar?
Osram Sylvania is one and the same company, within the US they use both Osram and Sylvania, outside the US its Osram. The Osram Silverstar is a clear bulb with Xenon gas boost to increase brightness up to 50% color is similar to standard halogen though it is slightly whiter. The Sylvania Silverstar is the same bulb but with an amethyst blue coating with 30% more light than standard halogen and 4000K light color which is comparable to Xenon/High Intensity Discharge Light Systems as seen on high end cars from Acura, Audi, BMW, Cadillac, Lexus, Mercedes Benz, Porsche to name a few.
Sylvania Silverstar is currently available in 9003/H4, 9004, 9005, 9006, 9007 & sealed beam sizes, the Sylvania Silverstar is the Super White (blue/grey coated) version of the Osram Silverstar (clear) which is available in H1, H4, & H7. Osram Silverstar color is slightly whiter (very slightly) than regular halogen. We also have the Narva Range Power Blue bulbs are made in Germany and DOT compliant. The Osram Silverstar is E code (ECE Reg 37) but not tested for DOT compliance (FMVSS 108) since the bulb is made for the European market, but most likely meets US DOT standards if tested. All these bulbs are stock wattage so it will not have any effect on wiring.
[/QUOTE]
Now, anyone know what size/style bulbs are in the 2004 Forester XTs?
'Cuz the stockers aren't cutting it in the rain...
Thanks. ;)
| noblebc | 10-28-2003 09:48 AM |
I would conclude that the Sylvania Xtravision and the Osram Silverstar are pretty much the same bulb. Both are designed to have a higher luminance creating better control of light putting it on the most important spots on the road. Not to jump in for Death match III, whiter light is a preference. Both have their benefits, whiter light is better in the peripheral, seeing street signs. The Xtravision is better during rain. I just jumped to the Sylvania Xenarc HID auxilliary low beam/ fog light. It has a remote so I didn't have to replace my current fogs. I can have them on with both high and low beams. Best part is they are HIDs so I had so much more light on the road.
| wgb113 | 10-28-2003 12:46 PM |
Just to chime in here...the Osram SilverStar is NOT the same bulb as the Sylvania Xtravision. The Xtravision, while better than stock, is aimed at being a longer-lasting bulb than most. The Osram SilverStar is a +50% bulb, designed to throw a much larger amount of light to the sides and down the road as well as a more even beam. In lighting tests the Osram SilverStar significantly outperforms the Xtravision.
The only other +50% bulb I am aware of is the Philips Vision Plus. It and the Osram are the best bulbs (short of true HID) available for 2004 Subaru Imprezas at the moment if seeing better is your goal.
ANY bulb with a coating on it will perform significantly worse in lighting tests than an identical bulb without the tint. That's it, period, end of discussion. The coating on the Sylvania SilverStar is to acheive "the look of HID."
The fact that Daniel's of studies resulted in the same exact conclusion of AutoExpress' lighting test/experience shows that's he's not simply trying to sell you one product over another.
As far as the convienence factor, I ordered my bulbs from Daniel around 2:00pm EST and received them in the mail the very next day via his standard shipping. I'm not sure that's much more of an inconvienence than going to a store but...
just my $.02
Bill
The only other +50% bulb I am aware of is the Philips Vision Plus. It and the Osram are the best bulbs (short of true HID) available for 2004 Subaru Imprezas at the moment if seeing better is your goal.
ANY bulb with a coating on it will perform significantly worse in lighting tests than an identical bulb without the tint. That's it, period, end of discussion. The coating on the Sylvania SilverStar is to acheive "the look of HID."
The fact that Daniel's of studies resulted in the same exact conclusion of AutoExpress' lighting test/experience shows that's he's not simply trying to sell you one product over another.
As far as the convienence factor, I ordered my bulbs from Daniel around 2:00pm EST and received them in the mail the very next day via his standard shipping. I'm not sure that's much more of an inconvienence than going to a store but...
just my $.02
Bill
| HiFiWRX | 10-28-2003 01:51 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by wgb113 [/i]
[B]As far as the convienence factor, I ordered my bulbs from Daniel around 2:00pm EST and received them in the mail the very next day via his standard shipping. I'm not sure that's much more of an inconvienence than going to a store but...
just my $.02
Bill [/B][/QUOTE]I can drive 4 min to AutoZone buy the bulb (Sylvania SilverStar) and install it in my car in the parking lot... then go about my business... So that takes me about 12 min total... The point I was trying to make was YES there are better bulbs out there. I don't question that... But if I am in Wyoming on a road trip to see my family and I have a bulb burn out I am happy to have the SilverStars because I can pull into pretty much any parts store or walmart or even kmart and buy the bulb right there on the spot. NO shipping, NO waiting and NO hassle...
So far I have never had a SilverStar burn out so it's been a non issue... That's after having them in My Eclipse, My Subaru, and now in my daily driver POS Honday Accord ;)
SilverStars still get [IMG]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif[/IMG] for performance, reliability, cost and availability from me... I don't care what any paper test says... My eyes like them, they perform hands down better than stock and the rest of the important things to me fit great... I will STILL recommend them to anyone I meet, and have yet to hear anyone I told about them complain about them not being exactly what I said... Reliable, Affordable, Available, better than stock and all around good bulbs!
They are worth every penny!
[B]As far as the convienence factor, I ordered my bulbs from Daniel around 2:00pm EST and received them in the mail the very next day via his standard shipping. I'm not sure that's much more of an inconvienence than going to a store but...
just my $.02
Bill [/B][/QUOTE]I can drive 4 min to AutoZone buy the bulb (Sylvania SilverStar) and install it in my car in the parking lot... then go about my business... So that takes me about 12 min total... The point I was trying to make was YES there are better bulbs out there. I don't question that... But if I am in Wyoming on a road trip to see my family and I have a bulb burn out I am happy to have the SilverStars because I can pull into pretty much any parts store or walmart or even kmart and buy the bulb right there on the spot. NO shipping, NO waiting and NO hassle...
So far I have never had a SilverStar burn out so it's been a non issue... That's after having them in My Eclipse, My Subaru, and now in my daily driver POS Honday Accord ;)
SilverStars still get [IMG]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif[/IMG] for performance, reliability, cost and availability from me... I don't care what any paper test says... My eyes like them, they perform hands down better than stock and the rest of the important things to me fit great... I will STILL recommend them to anyone I meet, and have yet to hear anyone I told about them complain about them not being exactly what I said... Reliable, Affordable, Available, better than stock and all around good bulbs!
They are worth every penny!
| wgb113 | 10-28-2003 02:18 PM |
HiFi,
More power to ya. I, and others here, just think the difference needs to be pointed out between the two. You obviously recognize the differences but are satisfied with the result.
Just an FYI, I visited 4 stores before purchasing my bulbs from Daniel. Autozone, PepBoys, K-Mart, and WalMart looking for a decent set of H1 bulbs. Not one store had anything other than the standard Philips, Sylvania, GE bulbs in that bulb type. For me Daniel Stern's next day delivery was THE MOST CONVIENENT. I got ALL of the bulbs I wanted, in less than 24 hours time.
FWIW, my bulb upgrades:
Low-Beam: Osram SilverStar
High-Beam: Philips/Narva 9005BL
Fog: CandlePower 4530G
$74 delivered.
Bill
More power to ya. I, and others here, just think the difference needs to be pointed out between the two. You obviously recognize the differences but are satisfied with the result.
Just an FYI, I visited 4 stores before purchasing my bulbs from Daniel. Autozone, PepBoys, K-Mart, and WalMart looking for a decent set of H1 bulbs. Not one store had anything other than the standard Philips, Sylvania, GE bulbs in that bulb type. For me Daniel Stern's next day delivery was THE MOST CONVIENENT. I got ALL of the bulbs I wanted, in less than 24 hours time.
FWIW, my bulb upgrades:
Low-Beam: Osram SilverStar
High-Beam: Philips/Narva 9005BL
Fog: CandlePower 4530G
$74 delivered.
Bill
| bmorton | 10-28-2003 02:34 PM |
The Philips HiVisibility bulb is described on Philips' US automotive lighting web site as a +30% bulb. I'm not sure that Philips officially offers a +50% bulb in North America. I got my Philips VisionPlus +50% and Premium +30% bulbs from autolamps-online.com. US$66 for six bulbs (two of each + spares).
| wgb113 | 10-28-2003 02:36 PM |
I apologize, I meant Philips' Vision Plus. You are correct, the Hi-Vis is only +30% but still a very good performer according to AutoExpress' test.
Good catch!
Bill
Good catch!
Bill
| gtguy | 10-28-2003 04:24 PM |
Everyone should keep a spare set of bulbs in the glovebox (Subarus have commodious ones), just in case...
Kevin
Kevin
| Kean | 10-28-2003 04:28 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy [/i]
[B]Everyone should keep a spare set of bulbs in the glovebox (Subarus have commodious ones), just in case...
Kevin [/B][/QUOTE]
I agree. I have my stock set packed in my trunk along with a small tool set, quart of oil, first aid kit, etc.
- Kean
[B]Everyone should keep a spare set of bulbs in the glovebox (Subarus have commodious ones), just in case...
Kevin [/B][/QUOTE]
I agree. I have my stock set packed in my trunk along with a small tool set, quart of oil, first aid kit, etc.
- Kean
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