| XenoWolf | 07-21-2006 07:26 AM |
The 2006 Maine Forest Rally begins today!
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[SIZE=6]Maine Forest Rally - 2006[/SIZE]
July 21st - 22nd, 2006[/CENTER]
[list][*][URL=http://www.maineforestrally.com/]Event Website[/URL] [*][URL=http://www.rally-america.com/event.maine.2006.php]Rally America Event Website[/URL] [*][URL=http://www.rally-america.com/event.maine.2006.php?section=live_updates]Live Updates[/URL] [/list]
[SIZE=6]Maine Forest Rally - 2006[/SIZE]
July 21st - 22nd, 2006[/CENTER]
[list][*][URL=http://www.maineforestrally.com/]Event Website[/URL] [*][URL=http://www.rally-america.com/event.maine.2006.php]Rally America Event Website[/URL] [*][URL=http://www.rally-america.com/event.maine.2006.php?section=live_updates]Live Updates[/URL] [/list]
| buccilli15 | 07-21-2006 09:11 AM |
Wish I was there sooooooooooooo bad!!!!!
| WRX-ECE | 07-21-2006 10:11 AM |
flying up today after work, at least I'll get to see the second day.
Can't wait
Can't wait
| STiShawn | 07-21-2006 10:26 AM |
umm....op date says june...is it not july?
| XenoWolf | 07-21-2006 11:03 AM |
[QUOTE=STiShawn]umm....op date says june...is it not july?[/QUOTE]
Oops, nice eye. They're both the same to me.. :lol:
Oops, nice eye. They're both the same to me.. :lol:
| rallynutdon | 07-21-2006 01:07 PM |
First time in 15 years that I'm not there either co-driving, driving or working :(
| XenoWolf | 07-21-2006 04:37 PM |
Alright, for some reason you can only get the live updates through the 'Secret' part of the Rally-America website (click on 'Login' on the right side)..
[quote]Special Stage 1 has just finished here at the Mexico Recreation area which included a jump about half way through the stage. The unofficial results of the crowd favorites are:
1 Car 18, Iorio / Holter
2 Car 763, Wilburn / Wilburn
3 Car 523, Hanson / Hanson, Car 862, Brosnan / Hagan, Car 790, Duane / Sweeney
Iorio and Holter put on quite a show. They launched 6-8 feet in the air off the jump and landed hard on the right front corner of the car at least fifty feet down the road.
The cars left from the finish of Special Stage 1 to transit out to run Special Stage 2 and Special Stage 3, they will return for service at about 6:30pm[/quote]
:banana:
[quote]Special Stage 1 has just finished here at the Mexico Recreation area which included a jump about half way through the stage. The unofficial results of the crowd favorites are:
1 Car 18, Iorio / Holter
2 Car 763, Wilburn / Wilburn
3 Car 523, Hanson / Hanson, Car 862, Brosnan / Hagan, Car 790, Duane / Sweeney
Iorio and Holter put on quite a show. They launched 6-8 feet in the air off the jump and landed hard on the right front corner of the car at least fifty feet down the road.
The cars left from the finish of Special Stage 1 to transit out to run Special Stage 2 and Special Stage 3, they will return for service at about 6:30pm[/quote]
:banana:
| XenoWolf | 07-21-2006 05:19 PM |
[quote]Car 199, Pastrana / Edstrom's crew was working to the last second before Parc Expose to diagnose and fix an apparent fuel delivery problem. The problem started on this mornings shakedown stage, but the crew must have figured it out as everything seems to be fine after Special Stage 1.
Car 77, DeDominicis / Daddoveri didn't run this mornings shakedown stage due to an engine problem. The crew was working hard to find the issue and had done everything they could think of including changing the turbo. Dedo is very disappointed to have a problem with the car for a second rally this year, but is hopeful they will figure it out.[/quote]
Dedo doesn't have much luck with that Evo..
Car 77, DeDominicis / Daddoveri didn't run this mornings shakedown stage due to an engine problem. The crew was working hard to find the issue and had done everything they could think of including changing the turbo. Dedo is very disappointed to have a problem with the car for a second rally this year, but is hopeful they will figure it out.[/quote]
Dedo doesn't have much luck with that Evo..
| XenoWolf | 07-22-2006 10:50 AM |
The second leg begins with competitors in this order:
[b]Overall:[/b]
1) L'Estage/Williams (+0:00.0) [I](1st X-Games Qualifier)[/I]
2) Choiniere/Becker (+0:23.9)
3) Comrie-Picard/Goldfarb (+0:24.8) [I](2nd X-Games Qualifier)[/I]
4) DeDominicus/Daddoveri (+0:29.6)
5) Pastrana/Edstrom (+0:33.0)
6) Iorio/Holter (+0:41.6)
7) Lagemann/Fannell (+0:42.3)
8) Lawless/Hendrickson (+1:02.8)
[b]PGT:[/b]
9) Johnson/DeMotte (+0:00.0 / +1:11.5)
10) Foust/Crouch (+0:00.7 / +1:12.2)
15) Penasack/Richard (+1:36.2 / +02:08.4)
17) Moro/Rossey (+1:57.4 / +02:29.6)
18) Olson/Johnson (+2:22.5 / +02:54.7)
[b]2WD[/b]
22) Duplessis/McNelly (+0:00.0 / +03:41.5)
25) Jones/Sekella (+0:36.8 / +04:18.3)
29) Cook/Rhodes (+1:28.8 / +05:10.3)
31) Davis/Brandt (+2:35.6 / +06:17.1)
32) Arango/Doyle (+4:59.6 / +08:40.9)
[i]Noteables[/i]
14) Bartram/Hotson (+02:03.2)
19) Cassidy/Lee (+03:27.2)
34) Block/Gelsomino (+09:38.4)
[b]DNFs:[/b]
Burmeister/Shindle
Gubelmann/Krolikowski
Dimiters/Ockwell
Burke/Beavis
[b]Overall:[/b]
1) L'Estage/Williams (+0:00.0) [I](1st X-Games Qualifier)[/I]
2) Choiniere/Becker (+0:23.9)
3) Comrie-Picard/Goldfarb (+0:24.8) [I](2nd X-Games Qualifier)[/I]
4) DeDominicus/Daddoveri (+0:29.6)
5) Pastrana/Edstrom (+0:33.0)
6) Iorio/Holter (+0:41.6)
7) Lagemann/Fannell (+0:42.3)
8) Lawless/Hendrickson (+1:02.8)
[b]PGT:[/b]
9) Johnson/DeMotte (+0:00.0 / +1:11.5)
10) Foust/Crouch (+0:00.7 / +1:12.2)
15) Penasack/Richard (+1:36.2 / +02:08.4)
17) Moro/Rossey (+1:57.4 / +02:29.6)
18) Olson/Johnson (+2:22.5 / +02:54.7)
[b]2WD[/b]
22) Duplessis/McNelly (+0:00.0 / +03:41.5)
25) Jones/Sekella (+0:36.8 / +04:18.3)
29) Cook/Rhodes (+1:28.8 / +05:10.3)
31) Davis/Brandt (+2:35.6 / +06:17.1)
32) Arango/Doyle (+4:59.6 / +08:40.9)
[i]Noteables[/i]
14) Bartram/Hotson (+02:03.2)
19) Cassidy/Lee (+03:27.2)
34) Block/Gelsomino (+09:38.4)
[b]DNFs:[/b]
Burmeister/Shindle
Gubelmann/Krolikowski
Dimiters/Ockwell
Burke/Beavis
| XenoWolf | 07-22-2006 10:55 AM |
Some notes from Day 1:
[quote]Unfortunately, Car 42, Burmeister / Shindle is out of the rally at the finish of Special Stage 2. It was either a gearbox or a clutch, regardless, they have "no forward motion".[/quote]
[quote]We've heard from fellow competitors that Car 25, Burke / Beavis have retired at the start of Special Stage 4. There was a loud pop when the car tried to take their start, there was black smoke, and ultimately they were unable to actually take off from the line.[/quote]
[quote]Service time will be critical to Car 43, Block / Gelsomino, who clipped a tree branch on the inside of a corner and breaking the left control arm. They were able to continue, but lost nearly ten minutes of time dropping them to 32nd overall.[/quote]
[quote]Car 103, Gubelmann / Krolikowski withdrew from the rally after Special Stage 3 with only one gear left in the box. According to Wyeth, "it was the wrong gear". There is a slim possibility that the team will try to find a replacement tonight, we won't know if they secured one until the morning.[/quote]
[quote]Car 779, Przybysz / Amato lost their exhaust half way through Special Stage 2, they were able to continue, but were very loud. The crew was able to weld things together to finish and will make proper repairs at the end of the day. The team said that it is a really fast rally, in fact they topped out at 110mph on Special Stage 2 and Special Stage 3.
Car 523, Hanson / Hanson hit a large rock in the road in the middle of fast corner on Special Stage 2 that "tipped us over". The car rolled, but the team was able to get back on their wheels and make it through the remaining stages and back to service. A new windshield was secured thanks to Car 774, Dimiters / Ockwell and Autosport Engineering who graciously lent them their spare after they DNF'd on Special Stage 3 with an engine problem.[/quote]
[quote]Unfortunately, Car 42, Burmeister / Shindle is out of the rally at the finish of Special Stage 2. It was either a gearbox or a clutch, regardless, they have "no forward motion".[/quote]
[quote]We've heard from fellow competitors that Car 25, Burke / Beavis have retired at the start of Special Stage 4. There was a loud pop when the car tried to take their start, there was black smoke, and ultimately they were unable to actually take off from the line.[/quote]
[quote]Service time will be critical to Car 43, Block / Gelsomino, who clipped a tree branch on the inside of a corner and breaking the left control arm. They were able to continue, but lost nearly ten minutes of time dropping them to 32nd overall.[/quote]
[quote]Car 103, Gubelmann / Krolikowski withdrew from the rally after Special Stage 3 with only one gear left in the box. According to Wyeth, "it was the wrong gear". There is a slim possibility that the team will try to find a replacement tonight, we won't know if they secured one until the morning.[/quote]
[quote]Car 779, Przybysz / Amato lost their exhaust half way through Special Stage 2, they were able to continue, but were very loud. The crew was able to weld things together to finish and will make proper repairs at the end of the day. The team said that it is a really fast rally, in fact they topped out at 110mph on Special Stage 2 and Special Stage 3.
Car 523, Hanson / Hanson hit a large rock in the road in the middle of fast corner on Special Stage 2 that "tipped us over". The car rolled, but the team was able to get back on their wheels and make it through the remaining stages and back to service. A new windshield was secured thanks to Car 774, Dimiters / Ockwell and Autosport Engineering who graciously lent them their spare after they DNF'd on Special Stage 3 with an engine problem.[/quote]
| XenoWolf | 07-22-2006 11:07 AM |
[b][i]Friday Regional Results[/i][/b]
[b]AWD[/b]
1) O'Brien/Wimpey (+0:00.0)
2) Sherrill/Bressem (+0:16.0)
3) Downs Jr/Obry (+1:25.2)
4) Weid/Weil (+1:36.6)
5) Przybysz/Amato (+1:47.0)
6) Hanson/Hanson (+2:08.2)
7) Wilburn/Wilburn (+2:21.0)
9) Getchell/McKelvie (+03:17.4)
11) Bares/Bares (+04:04.2)
12) O'Leary/O'Leary (+04:10.3)
[b]2WD[/b]
8) Cook/Rhodes (+0:00.0 / +03:13.3)
10) Bushore/Bushore (+0:36.4 / +03:49.7)
14) Duane/Sweeney (+1:39.5 / +04:52.8)
15) Egan/Byrne (+2:05.3 / +05:18.6)
18) Arango/Doyle (+3:30.6 / +06:43.9)
[b]AWD[/b]
1) O'Brien/Wimpey (+0:00.0)
2) Sherrill/Bressem (+0:16.0)
3) Downs Jr/Obry (+1:25.2)
4) Weid/Weil (+1:36.6)
5) Przybysz/Amato (+1:47.0)
6) Hanson/Hanson (+2:08.2)
7) Wilburn/Wilburn (+2:21.0)
9) Getchell/McKelvie (+03:17.4)
11) Bares/Bares (+04:04.2)
12) O'Leary/O'Leary (+04:10.3)
[b]2WD[/b]
8) Cook/Rhodes (+0:00.0 / +03:13.3)
10) Bushore/Bushore (+0:36.4 / +03:49.7)
14) Duane/Sweeney (+1:39.5 / +04:52.8)
15) Egan/Byrne (+2:05.3 / +05:18.6)
18) Arango/Doyle (+3:30.6 / +06:43.9)
| XenoWolf | 07-22-2006 01:15 PM |
A big shake-up at the top of the standings. Choiniere DNF'ed (still not sure why) and DeDominicus moved past L'Estage to take the lead heading into SS8. Lagemann is in third, and Comrie-Picard got bumped down to sixth behind Iorio and Pastrana. The top three are all fighting for an X-Games slot, and the gap between DeDo and L'Estage is less than one second! Amazing..
In PGT, it looks like Johnson pulled a bit of a lead from Foust, now a little over six seconds ahead. Duplessis still has a large lead in G2, and Bruce Davis will capture G5 as a result of him being the last man left. Block has moved up a bit in the field, but is still over nine minutes down from the leaders.
In PGT, it looks like Johnson pulled a bit of a lead from Foust, now a little over six seconds ahead. Duplessis still has a large lead in G2, and Bruce Davis will capture G5 as a result of him being the last man left. Block has moved up a bit in the field, but is still over nine minutes down from the leaders.
| WRXedUSA | 07-22-2006 07:12 PM |
No Pinker/Durant?
| XenoWolf | 07-22-2006 08:15 PM |
[QUOTE=WRXedUSA]No Pinker/Durant?[/QUOTE]
Nope, Pinker took this event off to save his car for the X-Games.
Lots of movement at the top during the last two stages. L'Estage broke his rear suspension on SS8, forcing him to retire. Choiniere had an off on the same stage, also retiring. That left Dedo, Laggemann and Pastrana at the top. At the end of the final stage it looked like Dedo took the win by a very slim margin over Laggemann, but that evaporated when he was hit with a 24 second penalty for being late to the Parc Expose earlier that day. That amazingly moved Dedo all the way down to 5th, and moved Andrew Comrie-Picard, running fourth, into the second 'X-Games' spot.
Unofficially, the top 10 are:
1) Ramana Laggemann/Michael Fennell (+0:00.0) [I](1st - X-Games)[/I]
2) Travis Pastrana/Christian Edstrom (+0:06.8)
3) Matt Iorio/Ole Holter (+0:08.9)
4) Andrew Comrie-Picard/Marc Goldfarb (+0:09.0) [I](2nd - X-Games)[/I]
5) Alfredo DeDominicus/Massimo Daddoveri (+0:12.7)
6) Tom Lawless/Rod Hendricksen (+01:28.3)
7) Tanner Foust/Scott Crouch (+02:24.6) [b](1st - PGT)[/b]
8) George Plsek/Jeffrey Burmeister (+03:09.4)
9) Jonathan Bottoms/Carolyn Bosley (+07:23.0) [B](1st - Group N)[/B]
10) John Cassidy/Erik Lee (+08:13.5)
16) Daniel Cook/William Rhodes (+13:16.6) [B](1st - G2/2WD)[/B]
Block managed to claw his way back to 12th overall. The top 5 were all within 13 seconds of each other, with ACP missing the podium by one-tenth of a second! My heart really goes out to Dedo though, he not only lost the event but a spot in the X-Games due to a relatively benign penalty. Tanner keeps pumping out his awesome finishes, I'm not sure what happened to Johnson to drop him way back to 20th.
Nope, Pinker took this event off to save his car for the X-Games.
Lots of movement at the top during the last two stages. L'Estage broke his rear suspension on SS8, forcing him to retire. Choiniere had an off on the same stage, also retiring. That left Dedo, Laggemann and Pastrana at the top. At the end of the final stage it looked like Dedo took the win by a very slim margin over Laggemann, but that evaporated when he was hit with a 24 second penalty for being late to the Parc Expose earlier that day. That amazingly moved Dedo all the way down to 5th, and moved Andrew Comrie-Picard, running fourth, into the second 'X-Games' spot.
Unofficially, the top 10 are:
1) Ramana Laggemann/Michael Fennell (+0:00.0) [I](1st - X-Games)[/I]
2) Travis Pastrana/Christian Edstrom (+0:06.8)
3) Matt Iorio/Ole Holter (+0:08.9)
4) Andrew Comrie-Picard/Marc Goldfarb (+0:09.0) [I](2nd - X-Games)[/I]
5) Alfredo DeDominicus/Massimo Daddoveri (+0:12.7)
6) Tom Lawless/Rod Hendricksen (+01:28.3)
7) Tanner Foust/Scott Crouch (+02:24.6) [b](1st - PGT)[/b]
8) George Plsek/Jeffrey Burmeister (+03:09.4)
9) Jonathan Bottoms/Carolyn Bosley (+07:23.0) [B](1st - Group N)[/B]
10) John Cassidy/Erik Lee (+08:13.5)
16) Daniel Cook/William Rhodes (+13:16.6) [B](1st - G2/2WD)[/B]
Block managed to claw his way back to 12th overall. The top 5 were all within 13 seconds of each other, with ACP missing the podium by one-tenth of a second! My heart really goes out to Dedo though, he not only lost the event but a spot in the X-Games due to a relatively benign penalty. Tanner keeps pumping out his awesome finishes, I'm not sure what happened to Johnson to drop him way back to 20th.
| freq | 07-22-2006 09:03 PM |
Dan Cook takes both G2 Regionals the Datsun 510!
(that car is badass)
(that car is badass)
| XenoWolf | 07-22-2006 09:43 PM |
This just keeps getting wierder...
Pastrana was also late to the Parc Expose, but was given a $100 fine. DeDeominicus was given a time penalty for the same infraction...
I'm assuming there is more to Dedo's penalty, but if not...
Pastrana was also late to the Parc Expose, but was given a $100 fine. DeDeominicus was given a time penalty for the same infraction...
I'm assuming there is more to Dedo's penalty, but if not...
| Bort | 07-22-2006 09:43 PM |
Wow. The top 5 spans less than 13 seconds. That's some close stuff.
| Bort | 07-22-2006 09:44 PM |
[QUOTE=XenoWolf]This just keeps getting wierder...
Pastrana was also late to the Parc Expose, but was given a $100 fine. DeDeominicus was given a time penalty for the same infraction...
I'm assuming there is more to Dedo's penalty, but if not...[/QUOTE]
:huh:
Pastrana was also late to the Parc Expose, but was given a $100 fine. DeDeominicus was given a time penalty for the same infraction...
I'm assuming there is more to Dedo's penalty, but if not...[/QUOTE]
:huh:
| cyRally | 07-22-2006 09:56 PM |
My understanding of the Dedo penalty is that Rally America rules treat a parc expose prior to the "start" of the rally different from that of a parc expose after the start.
late to a pre-start parc expose = $100 fine
late to a post-start parc expose = 1 minute penalty per minute late
late to a pre-start parc expose = $100 fine
late to a post-start parc expose = 1 minute penalty per minute late
| WRXedUSA | 07-23-2006 01:13 AM |
Rare mistake for Paul. Great job hanging in there #199.
So, Lagemann won?
[IMG]http://rally.subaru.com/images/4_DSC_4430.jpg[/IMG]
Ken sure did a number on that Speedline. Speaking of, what wheels was Wyeth using? Those are hot.
So, Lagemann won?
[IMG]http://rally.subaru.com/images/4_DSC_4430.jpg[/IMG]
Ken sure did a number on that Speedline. Speaking of, what wheels was Wyeth using? Those are hot.
| bjorn240 | 07-23-2006 08:49 AM |
Chris is right. The rules treat a parc expose prior to the first time control differently. A parc during the rally is treated as a regular control and is assessed a time penalty, in this case 12 seconds per minute late.
If we'd run the risk of a time penalty, we'd have checked in in time into the parc expose, and continued to work on the car there. We determined it was worth the penalty to be able to work in the service area by the trucks.
Fantastically close rally! Travis and I weren't thrilled with our performance, but this was a case of hang around long enough, and maybe you'll score some points.
- Christian
If we'd run the risk of a time penalty, we'd have checked in in time into the parc expose, and continued to work on the car there. We determined it was worth the penalty to be able to work in the service area by the trucks.
Fantastically close rally! Travis and I weren't thrilled with our performance, but this was a case of hang around long enough, and maybe you'll score some points.
- Christian
| XenoWolf | 07-23-2006 09:04 AM |
Holy crap, they let Dedo spray the champagne before telling him about the penalty? Ouch..
| bjorn240 | 07-23-2006 04:33 PM |
Sure. At that point, the inquiry that revealed the lateness hadn't even been filed. After that there was a ruling on the inquiry, a protest, and now, apparently, an appeal.
(Don't get me started on how he didn't have any road points until another competitor filed an inquiry about when he got to Parc Expose, but whatever...)
- Christian
(Don't get me started on how he didn't have any road points until another competitor filed an inquiry about when he got to Parc Expose, but whatever...)
- Christian
| fliz | 07-23-2006 04:46 PM |
[QUOTE=bjorn240]Sure. At that point, the inquiry that revealed the lateness hadn't even been filed. After that there was a ruling on the inquiry, a protest, and now, apparently, an appeal.
(Don't get me started on how he didn't have any road points until another competitor filed an inquiry about when he got to Parc Expose, but whatever...)
- Christian[/QUOTE]
Congrats on the second place finish.
Any idea who filed the inquiry?
(Don't get me started on how he didn't have any road points until another competitor filed an inquiry about when he got to Parc Expose, but whatever...)
- Christian[/QUOTE]
Congrats on the second place finish.
Any idea who filed the inquiry?
| bjorn240 | 07-23-2006 05:29 PM |
Yeah, it was on the notice board. Car #20, Comrie-Picard/Goldfarb.
Thanks for the congrats. Lots of 2nds this year...
- Christian
Thanks for the congrats. Lots of 2nds this year...
- Christian
| XenoWolf | 07-23-2006 05:30 PM |
[QUOTE=bjorn240]Sure. At that point, the inquiry that revealed the lateness hadn't even been filed. After that there was a ruling on the inquiry, a protest, and now, apparently, an appeal.
(Don't get me started on how he didn't have any road points until another competitor filed an inquiry about when he got to Parc Expose, but whatever...)
- Christian[/QUOTE]
Aye, but it seems wierd to me that they wouldn't catch that as soon as it happened, and given him the penalty then.
(Don't get me started on how he didn't have any road points until another competitor filed an inquiry about when he got to Parc Expose, but whatever...)
- Christian[/QUOTE]
Aye, but it seems wierd to me that they wouldn't catch that as soon as it happened, and given him the penalty then.
| AlexP | 07-23-2006 05:51 PM |
[QUOTE=bjorn240]
Thanks for the congrats. Lots of 2nds this year...
[/QUOTE]
Always a bridesmaid, never a bride.
Buck up, little camper..... It'll happen.
Thanks for the congrats. Lots of 2nds this year...
[/QUOTE]
Always a bridesmaid, never a bride.
Buck up, little camper..... It'll happen.
| bjorn240 | 07-23-2006 05:57 PM |
[QUOTE=AlexP]Always a bridesmaid, never a bride.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I'm suspecting that Travis and I will receive a pair of fuchsia taffeta dresses from the team soon.
But whatever, stick around, drive slowly enough to ensure being there at the finish, make no mistakes, and collect some points, so that you go into the biggest event of the year as the clear championship points leader. As a co-driver, I should be bragging, right?
Bummer you weren't there.
- Christian
Yeah, I'm suspecting that Travis and I will receive a pair of fuchsia taffeta dresses from the team soon.
But whatever, stick around, drive slowly enough to ensure being there at the finish, make no mistakes, and collect some points, so that you go into the biggest event of the year as the clear championship points leader. As a co-driver, I should be bragging, right?
Bummer you weren't there.
- Christian
| Pete 97 GS-T | 07-23-2006 06:01 PM |
Pictures to be UL'ed tonight, prolly around 10pm. I took too many.
[IMG]http://www.onalimbracing.com/post/IMG_3057.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.onalimbracing.com/post/acp.jpg[/IMG]
Pete
[url]www.onalimbracing.com[/url]
[IMG]http://www.onalimbracing.com/post/IMG_3057.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.onalimbracing.com/post/acp.jpg[/IMG]
Pete
[url]www.onalimbracing.com[/url]
| Bort | 07-23-2006 06:58 PM |
^^^^Note for later: install lexan hood.
| Bort | 07-23-2006 07:05 PM |
[QUOTE=bjorn240]Yeah, it was on the notice board. Car #20, Comrie-Picard/Goldfarb.
Thanks for the congrats. Lots of 2nds this year...
- Christian[/QUOTE]
Christian, what's the general feeling about this happening? Do teams expect to be called out by a competitor in a situation like this if the officials don't catch it?
Thanks for the congrats. Lots of 2nds this year...
- Christian[/QUOTE]
Christian, what's the general feeling about this happening? Do teams expect to be called out by a competitor in a situation like this if the officials don't catch it?
| bjorn240 | 07-23-2006 07:42 PM |
I think it depends a little. I think the primary feeling among ralliers is that you want to "win it on the stages," but I guess it depends a little on the circumstances. Travis and I wouldn't have inquired in this case, but if the championship were on the line at the end of the year...
In short, I suspect strongly that no one would have inquired if the X Games weren't on the line.
- Christian
In short, I suspect strongly that no one would have inquired if the X Games weren't on the line.
- Christian
| OBShahn | 07-23-2006 07:46 PM |
[QUOTE=XenoWolf]Nope, Pinker took this event off to save his car for the X-Games.
Lots of movement at the top during the last two stages. L'Estage broke his rear suspension on SS8, forcing him to retire. Choiniere had an off on the same stage, also retiring. That left Dedo, Laggemann and Pastrana at the top. At the end of the final stage it looked like Dedo took the win by a very slim margin over Laggemann, but that evaporated when he was hit with a 24 second penalty for being late to the Parc Expose earlier that day. That amazingly moved Dedo all the way down to 5th, and moved Andrew Comrie-Picard, running fourth, into the second 'X-Games' spot.
Unofficially, the top 10 are:
1) Ramana Laggemann/Michael Fennell (+0:00.0) [I](1st - X-Games)[/I]
2) Travis Pastrana/Christian Edstrom (+0:06.8)
3) Matt Iorio/Ole Holter (+0:08.9)
4) Andrew Comrie-Picard/Marc Goldfarb (+0:09.0) [I](2nd - X-Games)[/I]
5) Alfredo DeDominicus/Massimo Daddoveri (+0:12.7)
6) Tom Lawless/Rod Hendricksen (+01:28.3)
7) Tanner Foust/Scott Crouch (+02:24.6) [b](1st - PGT)[/b]
8) George Plsek/Jeffrey Burmeister (+03:09.4)
9) Jonathan Bottoms/Carolyn Bosley (+07:23.0) [B](1st - Group N)[/B]
10) John Cassidy/Erik Lee (+08:13.5)
16) Daniel Cook/William Rhodes (+13:16.6) [B](1st - G2/2WD)[/B]
Block managed to claw his way back to 12th overall. The top 5 were all within 13 seconds of each other, with ACP missing the podium by one-tenth of a second! My heart really goes out to Dedo though, he not only lost the event but a spot in the X-Games due to a relatively benign penalty. Tanner keeps pumping out his awesome finishes, I'm not sure what happened to Johnson to drop him way back to 20th.[/QUOTE]
Johnson lost time for a flat tire or tires, I think heavy sweep pulled him out and let him finish under his own power, not sure on the last part but I do know he went off the road because of a flat or flats...
his lead on Foust was due to flats and rock damage at the end of SS 5 and SS7 for Foust that cost the teams atleast 10 seconds on stage 5 and a as of yet un determined amount of time on SS7.
Lots of movement at the top during the last two stages. L'Estage broke his rear suspension on SS8, forcing him to retire. Choiniere had an off on the same stage, also retiring. That left Dedo, Laggemann and Pastrana at the top. At the end of the final stage it looked like Dedo took the win by a very slim margin over Laggemann, but that evaporated when he was hit with a 24 second penalty for being late to the Parc Expose earlier that day. That amazingly moved Dedo all the way down to 5th, and moved Andrew Comrie-Picard, running fourth, into the second 'X-Games' spot.
Unofficially, the top 10 are:
1) Ramana Laggemann/Michael Fennell (+0:00.0) [I](1st - X-Games)[/I]
2) Travis Pastrana/Christian Edstrom (+0:06.8)
3) Matt Iorio/Ole Holter (+0:08.9)
4) Andrew Comrie-Picard/Marc Goldfarb (+0:09.0) [I](2nd - X-Games)[/I]
5) Alfredo DeDominicus/Massimo Daddoveri (+0:12.7)
6) Tom Lawless/Rod Hendricksen (+01:28.3)
7) Tanner Foust/Scott Crouch (+02:24.6) [b](1st - PGT)[/b]
8) George Plsek/Jeffrey Burmeister (+03:09.4)
9) Jonathan Bottoms/Carolyn Bosley (+07:23.0) [B](1st - Group N)[/B]
10) John Cassidy/Erik Lee (+08:13.5)
16) Daniel Cook/William Rhodes (+13:16.6) [B](1st - G2/2WD)[/B]
Block managed to claw his way back to 12th overall. The top 5 were all within 13 seconds of each other, with ACP missing the podium by one-tenth of a second! My heart really goes out to Dedo though, he not only lost the event but a spot in the X-Games due to a relatively benign penalty. Tanner keeps pumping out his awesome finishes, I'm not sure what happened to Johnson to drop him way back to 20th.[/QUOTE]
Johnson lost time for a flat tire or tires, I think heavy sweep pulled him out and let him finish under his own power, not sure on the last part but I do know he went off the road because of a flat or flats...
his lead on Foust was due to flats and rock damage at the end of SS 5 and SS7 for Foust that cost the teams atleast 10 seconds on stage 5 and a as of yet un determined amount of time on SS7.
| OBShahn | 07-23-2006 07:47 PM |
[QUOTE=bjorn240]Yeah, it was on the notice board. Car #20, Comrie-Picard/Goldfarb.
Thanks for the congrats. Lots of 2nds this year...
- Christian[/QUOTE]
Rules are rules though...
I'd do it if I was Musketeer racing as well...
Thanks for the congrats. Lots of 2nds this year...
- Christian[/QUOTE]
Rules are rules though...
I'd do it if I was Musketeer racing as well...
| ryan j | 07-23-2006 07:49 PM |
[QUOTE=Bort]Christian, what's the general feeling about this happening? Do teams expect to be called out by a competitor in a situation like this if the officials don't catch it?[/QUOTE]
Not Christian, but anyway-- it depends on who it is and what they would gain. Most people like to win it on stage times. On the other hand, the rules apply to everyone. Dedo misunderstood the rule, and he will probably miss the X games because of it. On the other hand, from what I've heard, ACP was stuck behind Block on the last stage and lost a lot of time battling the dust. Why was Block, who was not a contendor at that point, moved back up into a position to ruin other's chances with so much at stake? Without the dust, ACP had a chance at overall, and the debate would move to Ramana and Dedo.
Not Christian, but anyway-- it depends on who it is and what they would gain. Most people like to win it on stage times. On the other hand, the rules apply to everyone. Dedo misunderstood the rule, and he will probably miss the X games because of it. On the other hand, from what I've heard, ACP was stuck behind Block on the last stage and lost a lot of time battling the dust. Why was Block, who was not a contendor at that point, moved back up into a position to ruin other's chances with so much at stake? Without the dust, ACP had a chance at overall, and the debate would move to Ramana and Dedo.
| bjorn240 | 07-23-2006 08:29 PM |
Starting position is based on relative speed, in order to reduce people catching each other on stage. Whether or not you're "in contention" doesn't factor into it.
In this case, it was bad luck for Andrew that he had a one minute window rather than the two minute window that the top 4 cars had. OTOH, if he hadn't had the hood pin issue, he'd have had a two minute interval.
Lots of factors; lots of surprises. That's rallying!
- Christian
In this case, it was bad luck for Andrew that he had a one minute window rather than the two minute window that the top 4 cars had. OTOH, if he hadn't had the hood pin issue, he'd have had a two minute interval.
Lots of factors; lots of surprises. That's rallying!
- Christian
| Bort | 07-23-2006 08:46 PM |
Christian and Ryan, thanks for the replies. It makes sense that each situation dictates its own action.
I know in the WRC (anyone remember the WRC? :)) The time penalties are brutal and things don't usually slip by the officials.
I know in the WRC (anyone remember the WRC? :)) The time penalties are brutal and things don't usually slip by the officials.
| bjorn240 | 07-23-2006 09:13 PM |
Yeah, that's just it. If the road points had been assessed at the first service area of the day, Dedo would have pushed a little harder on the final stage, and still would likely have finished on the podium. The bummer was that he apparently didn't realize he had the road points and croooooooozed on the final stage. I think he gave up more than a second per mile to Travis and me, and we weren't going 100% either, so it's clear he could have run a lot faster...
I think he turned a 14.39 on the last stage. We ran a 14.22, so I think it's reasonable to assume he could have run a 14.20 or 14.25 without taking any significant risks. With the 24 seconds of road penalties, he'd have had to run a 14.26 to place on the podium and qualify for X Games, so I think the real tragedy is that he wasn't aware.
Of course, if he'd just checked in on time...
No right or wrong, just a sad end to a great rally!
- Christian
I think he turned a 14.39 on the last stage. We ran a 14.22, so I think it's reasonable to assume he could have run a 14.20 or 14.25 without taking any significant risks. With the 24 seconds of road penalties, he'd have had to run a 14.26 to place on the podium and qualify for X Games, so I think the real tragedy is that he wasn't aware.
Of course, if he'd just checked in on time...
No right or wrong, just a sad end to a great rally!
- Christian
| nate49509 | 07-24-2006 01:54 AM |
Kudos to Lagemann. I've always been a fan of his since the factory days. I didn't even know he was still rallying. :confused: :lol: Can't wait to see him in the X-Games.
| ryan j | 07-24-2006 12:13 PM |
[QUOTE=bjorn240]Starting position is based on relative speed, in order to reduce people catching each other on stage. Whether or not you're "in contention" doesn't factor into it.
In this case, it was bad luck for Andrew that he had a one minute window rather than the two minute window that the top 4 cars had. OTOH, if he hadn't had the hood pin issue, he'd have had a two minute interval.
Lots of factors; lots of surprises. That's rallying!
- Christian[/QUOTE]
I'm aware of the relative speed issue, we spent alot of time in the ditch on ss7 and thankfully got put back up close to the spot where we were at. There's no way that Block is going to catch ACP. Lawless was over a minute back from the lead, put Block in front of him.
In this case, it was bad luck for Andrew that he had a one minute window rather than the two minute window that the top 4 cars had. OTOH, if he hadn't had the hood pin issue, he'd have had a two minute interval.
Lots of factors; lots of surprises. That's rallying!
- Christian[/QUOTE]
I'm aware of the relative speed issue, we spent alot of time in the ditch on ss7 and thankfully got put back up close to the spot where we were at. There's no way that Block is going to catch ACP. Lawless was over a minute back from the lead, put Block in front of him.
| bjorn240 | 07-24-2006 02:47 PM |
If ACP thought it would matter, he could have asked Ken to move back. He didn't, AFAIK. If Ken had been setting better stage times than ACP, excepting the stage where he hit the log, then he was in the right position, according to the rules.
If you are aware of the relative speed issue and actually rally, why are we having this discussion? Is it that you don't understand the rule, or that you don't agree with it? I think I've done a fair job of explaining it, and you claim to understand it, so it must be that you don't agree with it, and the "why?" must have been a rhetorical question.
Ok. I think the rule works fine. Speedfactors and reseeding based on prior stage performance has dramatically reduced passing on stages, which is exactly the purpose of the rule.
- Christian
If you are aware of the relative speed issue and actually rally, why are we having this discussion? Is it that you don't understand the rule, or that you don't agree with it? I think I've done a fair job of explaining it, and you claim to understand it, so it must be that you don't agree with it, and the "why?" must have been a rhetorical question.
Ok. I think the rule works fine. Speedfactors and reseeding based on prior stage performance has dramatically reduced passing on stages, which is exactly the purpose of the rule.
- Christian
| ryan j | 07-24-2006 04:18 PM |
I understand the rules, except for the one about the 2 minute dust windows. Weren't those taken out? It's still dusty when the 15-18th car goes through, which is usually where we're (#93 PGT WRX) at.
I was just throwing out all the post rally what -ifs in the ACP scenerio. If Dedo had known, if ACP could close his hood, if etc. etc.
In other news, we ran the fastest 1/4 mile of the PGT cars 14.3, although from the way the setup was explained, the times had to do with lifting for a crest or not.
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I was just throwing out all the post rally what -ifs in the ACP scenerio. If Dedo had known, if ACP could close his hood, if etc. etc.
In other news, we ran the fastest 1/4 mile of the PGT cars 14.3, although from the way the setup was explained, the times had to do with lifting for a crest or not.
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| Easy Rider | 07-24-2006 04:44 PM |
[QUOTE=bjorn240]I think it depends a little. I think the primary feeling among ralliers is that you want to "win it on the stages," but I guess it depends a little on the circumstances. Travis and I wouldn't have inquired in this case, but if the championship were on the line at the end of the year...
In short, I suspect strongly that no one would have inquired if the X Games weren't on the line.
- Christian[/QUOTE]
Really?
I got bumped out of 4th overall - to 5th - because the car 2 places behind me claimed to have not seen the OK sign and triangles of the car right behind me - claiming he "wasted" almost a minute lokking for the team. They gave him the time - and that put him a head of me.
I think it is "nice" to claim that we all want to 'win it on the stages' but the vast majority want to win - period.
A rule is a rule - and the fact that the officials did not recognize it and ACP did - should not be a knock on ACP.
Does Subaru USA not want you to place as high as possible at every event?
Well done to ALL competitors.
In short, I suspect strongly that no one would have inquired if the X Games weren't on the line.
- Christian[/QUOTE]
Really?
I got bumped out of 4th overall - to 5th - because the car 2 places behind me claimed to have not seen the OK sign and triangles of the car right behind me - claiming he "wasted" almost a minute lokking for the team. They gave him the time - and that put him a head of me.
I think it is "nice" to claim that we all want to 'win it on the stages' but the vast majority want to win - period.
A rule is a rule - and the fact that the officials did not recognize it and ACP did - should not be a knock on ACP.
Does Subaru USA not want you to place as high as possible at every event?
Well done to ALL competitors.
| bjorn240 | 07-24-2006 05:13 PM |
[QUOTE=Easy Rider]A rule is a rule - and the fact that the officials did not recognize it and ACP did - should not be a knock on ACP.[/QUOTE]
From my understanding of the events, it's more like the organizers applied rule 8.2 and then changed their minds to apply 8.1 when the inquiry was filed.
[QUOTE=Easy Rider]Does Subaru USA not want you to place as high as possible at every event?[/QUOTE]
Yes, but they also don't want to play the paper game. If I'd been in a privateer car at Sno*Drift 2006 and called the shots, you can be assured that there would have been inquiries, protests, and eventual appeals over the (lack of) penalties handed out for the rules broken there.
Speaking only on my own behalf,
- Christian
From my understanding of the events, it's more like the organizers applied rule 8.2 and then changed their minds to apply 8.1 when the inquiry was filed.
[QUOTE=Easy Rider]Does Subaru USA not want you to place as high as possible at every event?[/QUOTE]
Yes, but they also don't want to play the paper game. If I'd been in a privateer car at Sno*Drift 2006 and called the shots, you can be assured that there would have been inquiries, protests, and eventual appeals over the (lack of) penalties handed out for the rules broken there.
Speaking only on my own behalf,
- Christian
| WRX-ECE | 07-24-2006 06:15 PM |
[QUOTE=bjorn240]...and croooooooozed on the final stage. I think he gave up more than a second per mile to Travis and me, and we weren't going 100% either, so it's clear he could have run a lot faster...
- Christian[/QUOTE]
Congrats on the 2nd place Christian.
From the finish, we all could see he jogged the final stage, It was noticably slow.
You two on the other hand, well, it looked like Travis crossed the finish at Mach V. If that wasn't a 100% finish speed, well wow.
Jeremy
- Christian[/QUOTE]
Congrats on the 2nd place Christian.
From the finish, we all could see he jogged the final stage, It was noticably slow.
You two on the other hand, well, it looked like Travis crossed the finish at Mach V. If that wasn't a 100% finish speed, well wow.
Jeremy
| rallynutdon | 07-25-2006 01:24 PM |
[QUOTE=nate49509]Kudos to Lagemann. I've always been a fan of his since the factory days. I didn't even know he was still rallying. :confused: :lol: Can't wait to see him in the X-Games.[/QUOTE]
I don't think you could say he's "still rallying" He ran MFR this year and last year and that's all he's done in the last couple of years AFAIK.
I don't think you could say he's "still rallying" He ran MFR this year and last year and that's all he's done in the last couple of years AFAIK.
| RB5 Clone | 07-25-2006 03:16 PM |
There has been an unusual amount of speculation about the unfortunate protest situation at Maine Forest, much of it from ppl who were not present.
This is how the situation was explained to me by a key official on site at the event.
The team late into 1st Parc Expose was fined $$ instead of time because they were late to Expose for a rally that hadn't officially started yet.
Dedo was late into an Expose that was part of a rally already started ( MFR National). This is why a time penalty was assessed.
We were running regional-only at MFR and would have been fined $ instead of time for lateness into that very same Day 2 Expose, because the regional events were separate for each day. (a little detail we discovered after the fact)
Sad thing is that Dedo's crew was wrenching on his Evo just 100 yards from the Day 2 Berlin Parc Expose site. THey could have been wrenching on the car while it was INSIDE Parc Ex just as easily. Our service rig was right alongside Dedo's crew, with our guys feverishly trying to cure a misfire on my own car...as I pulled out to go into Parc Ex with 3 minutes to spare (car still backfiring and stuttering), I remember seeing Evo axles and stuff still on the ground thinking, "crikey, they're never gonna make it on time..."
The distinction between the two Exposes is the crucial thing to realize here...which Dedo learned the hard way, no question. It's one of those obscure rally rules that seems like no big deal until you get bit on the butt big-time by it.
Dave G
Car #778
This is how the situation was explained to me by a key official on site at the event.
The team late into 1st Parc Expose was fined $$ instead of time because they were late to Expose for a rally that hadn't officially started yet.
Dedo was late into an Expose that was part of a rally already started ( MFR National). This is why a time penalty was assessed.
We were running regional-only at MFR and would have been fined $ instead of time for lateness into that very same Day 2 Expose, because the regional events were separate for each day. (a little detail we discovered after the fact)
Sad thing is that Dedo's crew was wrenching on his Evo just 100 yards from the Day 2 Berlin Parc Expose site. THey could have been wrenching on the car while it was INSIDE Parc Ex just as easily. Our service rig was right alongside Dedo's crew, with our guys feverishly trying to cure a misfire on my own car...as I pulled out to go into Parc Ex with 3 minutes to spare (car still backfiring and stuttering), I remember seeing Evo axles and stuff still on the ground thinking, "crikey, they're never gonna make it on time..."
The distinction between the two Exposes is the crucial thing to realize here...which Dedo learned the hard way, no question. It's one of those obscure rally rules that seems like no big deal until you get bit on the butt big-time by it.
Dave G
Car #778
| bjorn240 | 07-25-2006 03:40 PM |
I think that summarizes the happenings well, but in my mind, the real controversy is:
a) whether Dedo had a reasonable expectation from the organizers that the road penalty should have been applied during the course of the day, either at the service or re-seed.
b) whether it's demonstrative of good sportsmanship to inquire AFTER the finish on such a rule, rather than inquire during the event.
The first is an operational question, the second an ethical judgment. I don't suspect that either will affect the final outcome.
a) whether Dedo had a reasonable expectation from the organizers that the road penalty should have been applied during the course of the day, either at the service or re-seed.
b) whether it's demonstrative of good sportsmanship to inquire AFTER the finish on such a rule, rather than inquire during the event.
The first is an operational question, the second an ethical judgment. I don't suspect that either will affect the final outcome.
| OBShahn | 07-25-2006 05:09 PM |
[QUOTE=RB5 Clone]There has been an unusual amount of speculation about the unfortunate protest situation at Maine Forest, much of it from ppl who were not present.
This is how the situation was explained to me by a key official on site at the event.
The team late into 1st Parc Expose was fined $$ instead of time because they were late to Expose for a rally that hadn't officially started yet.
Dedo was late into an Expose that was part of a rally already started ( MFR National). This is why a time penalty was assessed.
We were running regional-only at MFR and would have been fined $ instead of time for lateness into that very same Day 2 Expose, because the regional events were separate for each day. (a little detail we discovered after the fact)
Sad thing is that Dedo's crew was wrenching on his Evo just 100 yards from the Day 2 Berlin Parc Expose site. THey could have been wrenching on the car while it was INSIDE Parc Ex just as easily. Our service rig was right alongside Dedo's crew, with our guys feverishly trying to cure a misfire on my own car...as I pulled out to go into Parc Ex with 3 minutes to spare (car still backfiring and stuttering), I remember seeing Evo axles and stuff still on the ground thinking, "crikey, they're never gonna make it on time..."
The distinction between the two Exposes is the crucial thing to realize here...which Dedo learned the hard way, no question. It's one of those obscure rally rules that seems like no big deal until you get bit on the butt big-time by it.
Dave G
Car #778[/QUOTE]
As one of the not present speculators let me point out this.
The point at controls is just speculation as to what information should have been presented and available to the competitors as to what penalty to expect.
the rest of the speculation centers on the fact that there was a procedural failure, which, given the outcome, has a very real and very serious negative impact for a competitor. Irregardless of the other IFs and points of speculation, given that this penalty was more than likely deserved, and that it happened BEFORE the event "really" started, why did it take almost 12 hours to report it? That is just a failure to report it. The speculation then comes into an appearant (from looking at the times compared to other competitors not likely to be pushing 110%) easing of pace by Dedo because of the lead he had in hand. Had he had better information his actions may have been different. I think from looking at the results it is reasonable to speculate that he left more than 3.8 seconds on the table.
in the end, I at least, agree that the rules are the rules and this is just how the system works (and should work). But what I dislike, is seeing a competitor loose such an opportunity do to an administrative failure of a previously established process. There is no way to save face, there is no way to remove the mar that this puts on the event and series. This is sad and unfortunate if nothing else.
This is how the situation was explained to me by a key official on site at the event.
The team late into 1st Parc Expose was fined $$ instead of time because they were late to Expose for a rally that hadn't officially started yet.
Dedo was late into an Expose that was part of a rally already started ( MFR National). This is why a time penalty was assessed.
We were running regional-only at MFR and would have been fined $ instead of time for lateness into that very same Day 2 Expose, because the regional events were separate for each day. (a little detail we discovered after the fact)
Sad thing is that Dedo's crew was wrenching on his Evo just 100 yards from the Day 2 Berlin Parc Expose site. THey could have been wrenching on the car while it was INSIDE Parc Ex just as easily. Our service rig was right alongside Dedo's crew, with our guys feverishly trying to cure a misfire on my own car...as I pulled out to go into Parc Ex with 3 minutes to spare (car still backfiring and stuttering), I remember seeing Evo axles and stuff still on the ground thinking, "crikey, they're never gonna make it on time..."
The distinction between the two Exposes is the crucial thing to realize here...which Dedo learned the hard way, no question. It's one of those obscure rally rules that seems like no big deal until you get bit on the butt big-time by it.
Dave G
Car #778[/QUOTE]
As one of the not present speculators let me point out this.
The point at controls is just speculation as to what information should have been presented and available to the competitors as to what penalty to expect.
the rest of the speculation centers on the fact that there was a procedural failure, which, given the outcome, has a very real and very serious negative impact for a competitor. Irregardless of the other IFs and points of speculation, given that this penalty was more than likely deserved, and that it happened BEFORE the event "really" started, why did it take almost 12 hours to report it? That is just a failure to report it. The speculation then comes into an appearant (from looking at the times compared to other competitors not likely to be pushing 110%) easing of pace by Dedo because of the lead he had in hand. Had he had better information his actions may have been different. I think from looking at the results it is reasonable to speculate that he left more than 3.8 seconds on the table.
in the end, I at least, agree that the rules are the rules and this is just how the system works (and should work). But what I dislike, is seeing a competitor loose such an opportunity do to an administrative failure of a previously established process. There is no way to save face, there is no way to remove the mar that this puts on the event and series. This is sad and unfortunate if nothing else.
| RB5 Clone | 07-25-2006 06:21 PM |
[QUOTE=OBShahn]As one of the not present speculators let me point out this.
the rest of the speculation centers on the fact that there was a procedural failure, which, given the outcome, has a very real and very serious negative impact for a competitor.
in the end, I at least, agree that the rules are the rules
This is sad and unfortunate if nothing else.[/QUOTE]
Speculate all you like. There is one very simple way to avoid all the unpleasantness above -- do NOT be late, period.
Agree wholeheartedly that this is a sad and unfortunate end to what was an awesome event on delightfully gnarly rough and super fast roads.
Dave G
HOW super fast? Dedo's average speed on SS7 was something like 99.78 mph!
the rest of the speculation centers on the fact that there was a procedural failure, which, given the outcome, has a very real and very serious negative impact for a competitor.
in the end, I at least, agree that the rules are the rules
This is sad and unfortunate if nothing else.[/QUOTE]
Speculate all you like. There is one very simple way to avoid all the unpleasantness above -- do NOT be late, period.
Agree wholeheartedly that this is a sad and unfortunate end to what was an awesome event on delightfully gnarly rough and super fast roads.
Dave G
HOW super fast? Dedo's average speed on SS7 was something like 99.78 mph!
| bjorn240 | 07-25-2006 06:28 PM |
No it wasn't. SS7 was shortened, what, 2.38 miles, and the calc doesn't reflect that. The actual average was somewhere in the seventies. I think we had a 77 mph average on one stage...
| RB5 Clone | 07-25-2006 06:35 PM |
oh well, BCE's Coralba tells all.
am actually glad to hear that the speeds werent' that high, a 100 mph stage average is just too nutty to be a good thing.
DG
am actually glad to hear that the speeds werent' that high, a 100 mph stage average is just too nutty to be a good thing.
DG
| akuhner | 07-25-2006 10:11 PM |
My photos...
[url]http://www.pbase.com/akuhner/mfr2006[/url]
I took off after the 1st stage on Saturday.
[url]http://www.pbase.com/akuhner/mfr2006[/url]
I took off after the 1st stage on Saturday.
| WRXedUSA | 07-27-2006 11:07 AM |
[url]http://www.wrc.com/page/News/BreakingNewsDetail/0,,10111~872415,00.html[/url]
wrc.com coverage!
wrc.com coverage!
| WRXedUSA | 07-27-2006 11:54 AM |
[QUOTE=Car #187]My photos...
[url]http://www.pbase.com/akuhner/mfr2006[/url]
I took off after the 1st stage on Saturday.[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://i.pbase.com/g4/71/480571/2/64058858.0aYOHO7q.jpg[/IMG]
Ah-ha. :lol:
[url]http://www.pbase.com/akuhner/mfr2006[/url]
I took off after the 1st stage on Saturday.[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://i.pbase.com/g4/71/480571/2/64058858.0aYOHO7q.jpg[/IMG]
Ah-ha. :lol:
| akuhner | 07-28-2006 08:31 AM |
He must have used that banana to sign the waiver...
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