| GarySheehan | 12-06-2005 08:25 PM |
PR: First 25hr Endurance Podium for Sheehan, Subaru STi
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Here is the press release that was just sent out to the media...
[B]ART/ESX/C&D/TC Design/JustRacing.com: NASA 25hrs at thunderhill[/B]
[B][U]FIRST 25HR ENDURANCE PODIUM FOR SHEEHAN, SUBARU STI[/U][/B]
Martinez, CA � Grand-Am Cup and USTCC driver Gary Sheehan of Martinez, CA has helped earn Subaru its first-ever podium finish in a North American Endurance race, with a 3rd place overall finish in the #66 ART/ESX/Car & Driver/TC Design/JustRacing.com Subaru STi, at the 25hrs of Thunderhill. Racing in the highest car class (ES), against proven powerhouse GT cars such as Porsche 996 and BMW M3, Sheehan qualified the all-wheel-drive, turbocharged, four-cylinder car 4th on the grid, (with a lap of 1:58.447 on DOT street-legal Toyo tires). In his first-ever 25-hour endurance race, Sheehan drove the team�s first, middle and final stints, a total of 7 hours, on the way to helping the team secure their unprecedented high overall finish.
The team�s strategy was to run the car�s power and suspension settings very conservatively, to ensure a full 25 hours of reliability, keeping more power in reserve if needed in the closing hours. Despite running most of the race at a modest, less-than-stock 9psi of turbo boost, Sheehan and the team�s exceptional group of drivers were able to post extremely competitive lap times. Early in the race, Sheehan laid down the team�s fastest race lap, a 1:59.8 on lap 3. During his final, marathon four-hour stint, he was turning consistent laps of 2:01, preserving the team�s P3 position while managing tire wear on the single set of tires used over the final stint. It was more than enough to comfortably secure the podium finish, and the team is overjoyed at its fantastic result.
Gary Sheehan comments, �Marshall Pruett put together an incredible team effort here; Jaime from ESX, Tony and Joe from TC Design, our own Joel Gat and the entire crew were absolutely amazing, going without sleep for days, and keeping the car running flawlessly during the entire race. All our drivers did a fantastic job, and we are very happy to have put the Subaru STi on the podium against so many higher-powered GT cars. I want to especially thank Marshall for asking me to be on this team, and Ali Afshar of ESX for the car and support�what a fantastic experience.�
"The STi was incredibly consistent the entire race. During my last stint it felt nearly identical to what I drove at the start of the race. Considering this car was converted to a 25-hour car in just one month, it is a testament to the quality of preparation and products that went into this effort. The PDX-tuned engine never skipped a beat and the Toyo tires performed consistently throughout. The StopTech brakes and Pagid pads were incredible, with consistent pedal feel and fade-free stopping ability the entire 25 hours, all on a single set of rotors! Nothing on the car felt used up at the end of the race. Simply amazing!"
The race, which finished Sunday at noon, featured 58 entries, in a multitude of classes, and boasts a timed length of 25 hours of competitive racing; 1 hour more than LeMans, Daytona, Nurburgring, or Bathhurst. It�s a daunting test against a who�s who of well-known touring car and GT teams and drivers, but a solid, well-organized effort from the entire team kept problems to a minimum. The team�s full line-up of drivers included: Gary Sheehan (Grand-Am Cup, USTCC); Dave McEntee (ALMS); Csaba Csere (Editor-in-Chief, Car and Driver); Dale Sievwright (USTCC); Auston Harris, age 14 (Formula TR); Marco Romani (BMWCCA).
[B]Primary Team Sponsors:[/B]
Advantage Racing Technologies: [url]www.racedataengineering.com[/url]
Easy Street Motorsports (ESX): [url]www.esxmotorsports.com[/url]
Car and Driver: [url]www.caranddriver.com[/url]
TC Design: [url]www.tcdesignfab.com[/url]
justracing.com: [url]www.JustRacing.com[/url]
StopTech� Brakes: [url]www.stoptech.com[/url]
Pagid Brake Pads: [url]www.braketechnology.com[/url]
Toyo Tires: [url]www.toyo.com[/url]
Sam Schmidt Paralysis Foundation: [url]www.SamSchmidt.org[/url]
The team would also like to thank 2005 NASCAR Champion Tony Stewart for his generous contribution to our fund-raising effort for the Sam Schmidt Paralysis Foundation. Follow Tony�s lead, at the above web address.
Find additional race coverage at the Car and Driver ([url]www.caranddriver.com[/url]) and JustRacing.com ([url]www.justracing.com[/url]) websites.
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[B]ART/ESX/C&D/TC Design/JustRacing.com: NASA 25hrs at thunderhill[/B]
[B][U]FIRST 25HR ENDURANCE PODIUM FOR SHEEHAN, SUBARU STI[/U][/B]
Martinez, CA � Grand-Am Cup and USTCC driver Gary Sheehan of Martinez, CA has helped earn Subaru its first-ever podium finish in a North American Endurance race, with a 3rd place overall finish in the #66 ART/ESX/Car & Driver/TC Design/JustRacing.com Subaru STi, at the 25hrs of Thunderhill. Racing in the highest car class (ES), against proven powerhouse GT cars such as Porsche 996 and BMW M3, Sheehan qualified the all-wheel-drive, turbocharged, four-cylinder car 4th on the grid, (with a lap of 1:58.447 on DOT street-legal Toyo tires). In his first-ever 25-hour endurance race, Sheehan drove the team�s first, middle and final stints, a total of 7 hours, on the way to helping the team secure their unprecedented high overall finish.
The team�s strategy was to run the car�s power and suspension settings very conservatively, to ensure a full 25 hours of reliability, keeping more power in reserve if needed in the closing hours. Despite running most of the race at a modest, less-than-stock 9psi of turbo boost, Sheehan and the team�s exceptional group of drivers were able to post extremely competitive lap times. Early in the race, Sheehan laid down the team�s fastest race lap, a 1:59.8 on lap 3. During his final, marathon four-hour stint, he was turning consistent laps of 2:01, preserving the team�s P3 position while managing tire wear on the single set of tires used over the final stint. It was more than enough to comfortably secure the podium finish, and the team is overjoyed at its fantastic result.
Gary Sheehan comments, �Marshall Pruett put together an incredible team effort here; Jaime from ESX, Tony and Joe from TC Design, our own Joel Gat and the entire crew were absolutely amazing, going without sleep for days, and keeping the car running flawlessly during the entire race. All our drivers did a fantastic job, and we are very happy to have put the Subaru STi on the podium against so many higher-powered GT cars. I want to especially thank Marshall for asking me to be on this team, and Ali Afshar of ESX for the car and support�what a fantastic experience.�
"The STi was incredibly consistent the entire race. During my last stint it felt nearly identical to what I drove at the start of the race. Considering this car was converted to a 25-hour car in just one month, it is a testament to the quality of preparation and products that went into this effort. The PDX-tuned engine never skipped a beat and the Toyo tires performed consistently throughout. The StopTech brakes and Pagid pads were incredible, with consistent pedal feel and fade-free stopping ability the entire 25 hours, all on a single set of rotors! Nothing on the car felt used up at the end of the race. Simply amazing!"
The race, which finished Sunday at noon, featured 58 entries, in a multitude of classes, and boasts a timed length of 25 hours of competitive racing; 1 hour more than LeMans, Daytona, Nurburgring, or Bathhurst. It�s a daunting test against a who�s who of well-known touring car and GT teams and drivers, but a solid, well-organized effort from the entire team kept problems to a minimum. The team�s full line-up of drivers included: Gary Sheehan (Grand-Am Cup, USTCC); Dave McEntee (ALMS); Csaba Csere (Editor-in-Chief, Car and Driver); Dale Sievwright (USTCC); Auston Harris, age 14 (Formula TR); Marco Romani (BMWCCA).
[B]Primary Team Sponsors:[/B]
Advantage Racing Technologies: [url]www.racedataengineering.com[/url]
Easy Street Motorsports (ESX): [url]www.esxmotorsports.com[/url]
Car and Driver: [url]www.caranddriver.com[/url]
TC Design: [url]www.tcdesignfab.com[/url]
justracing.com: [url]www.JustRacing.com[/url]
StopTech� Brakes: [url]www.stoptech.com[/url]
Pagid Brake Pads: [url]www.braketechnology.com[/url]
Toyo Tires: [url]www.toyo.com[/url]
Sam Schmidt Paralysis Foundation: [url]www.SamSchmidt.org[/url]
The team would also like to thank 2005 NASCAR Champion Tony Stewart for his generous contribution to our fund-raising effort for the Sam Schmidt Paralysis Foundation. Follow Tony�s lead, at the above web address.
Find additional race coverage at the Car and Driver ([url]www.caranddriver.com[/url]) and JustRacing.com ([url]www.justracing.com[/url]) websites.
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| bjorn240 | 12-06-2005 08:41 PM |
Gary, congratulations!
- Christian
- Christian
| 10th Warrior | 12-06-2005 08:44 PM |
good job!
| CBRDSpeedfactory | 12-06-2005 09:01 PM |
ha! you had to deal with dave mcentee!! hee hee
havent seen him in awhile!! funny guy
congrats
cb
havent seen him in awhile!! funny guy
congrats
cb
| Bort | 12-06-2005 09:11 PM |
That's quite an achievement! Congrats to you and the rest of the team.
| AndrewSS | 12-06-2005 10:00 PM |
congrats
| tdm74 | 12-06-2005 10:25 PM |
congrats
I have a question about the winglets on the front fenders, were they used to smooth airflow around the mirrors?
I have a question about the winglets on the front fenders, were they used to smooth airflow around the mirrors?
| AndyRoo | 12-06-2005 10:43 PM |
awesome job. congrats!
- andrew
- andrew
| flyboymike | 12-06-2005 10:46 PM |
Wow, that's absolutely awesome! Congratulations!
| bouchon | 12-06-2005 11:09 PM |
Like we say in France, "Chapeau bas!!!". (Hats down) :disco:
| MPME | 12-07-2005 12:08 AM |
[QUOTE=tdm74]congrats
I have a question about the winglets on the front fenders, were they used to smooth airflow around the mirrors?[/QUOTE]
No, the wings are there to create downforce--dirty downforce (lots of drag), but downforce nonetheless. The fact that they help to split the airstream around the mirrors is only a side benefit. They are from a 2001 CART Indycar, and my company, ART, will be offering a variety of such Indycar/Prototype-themed products.
I have a question about the winglets on the front fenders, were they used to smooth airflow around the mirrors?[/QUOTE]
No, the wings are there to create downforce--dirty downforce (lots of drag), but downforce nonetheless. The fact that they help to split the airstream around the mirrors is only a side benefit. They are from a 2001 CART Indycar, and my company, ART, will be offering a variety of such Indycar/Prototype-themed products.
| makofoto | 12-07-2005 12:25 AM |
>>>Auston Harris, age 14<<< ? ... more details ?
| mdadgar | 12-07-2005 12:36 AM |
[QUOTE=makofoto]>>>Auston Harris, age 14<<< ? ... more details ?[/QUOTE]
See for yourself at his web page. This board won't let me post links yet, but it's his full name.
Keep an eye on this kid. We're all going to be seeing a lot more of him.
The 25 Hour was truly awesome, BTW. I am hugely proud of our entire team.
Gary Sheehan is a total Rock Star. And that McEntee guy ain't so bad, either!
- Mark
ART/ESX/C&D/TC Design/JustRacing Principle
See for yourself at his web page. This board won't let me post links yet, but it's his full name.
Keep an eye on this kid. We're all going to be seeing a lot more of him.
The 25 Hour was truly awesome, BTW. I am hugely proud of our entire team.
Gary Sheehan is a total Rock Star. And that McEntee guy ain't so bad, either!
- Mark
ART/ESX/C&D/TC Design/JustRacing Principle
| tdm74 | 12-07-2005 01:02 AM |
[QUOTE=MPME]No, the wings are there to create downforce--dirty downforce (lots of drag), but downforce nonetheless. The fact that they help to split the airstream around the mirrors is only a side benefit. They are from a 2001 CART Indycar, and my company, ART, will be offering a variety of such Indycar/Prototype-themed products.[/QUOTE]
Cool :)
Cool :)
| makofoto | 12-07-2005 01:04 AM |
WOW!!! ... Lucky ... but TALENTED KID! :eek:
Auston, who had never driven an all wheel drive car much less a turbo charged car before Friday announced his arrival to the team by setting the teams quickest lap of the day during his 20 laps of familiarization testing.
Auston drove a total of four hours in two stints. The first stint was from 2:30 pm until 5:00 pm on Saturday while the second as from 11:30pm until 1:00am. Throughout both stints Auston demonstrated his skill by turning consistently quick lap times. He turned his fastest race lap during his second stint, in the dark.
Car and Driver through their web site, CarAndDriver.com maintained a log of the event with periodic updates. A quote from one of the logs reads: �... And it�s also distinguished by a teen-aged driver.
Still 10 days away from his 15th birthday and unable to drive on public roads, Auston Harris is nevertheless a veteran racer and one of the quicker of the four who share the car with our man Csere.�
[url]http://www.ct-motorsport.com/[/url]
Auston, who had never driven an all wheel drive car much less a turbo charged car before Friday announced his arrival to the team by setting the teams quickest lap of the day during his 20 laps of familiarization testing.
Auston drove a total of four hours in two stints. The first stint was from 2:30 pm until 5:00 pm on Saturday while the second as from 11:30pm until 1:00am. Throughout both stints Auston demonstrated his skill by turning consistently quick lap times. He turned his fastest race lap during his second stint, in the dark.
Car and Driver through their web site, CarAndDriver.com maintained a log of the event with periodic updates. A quote from one of the logs reads: �... And it�s also distinguished by a teen-aged driver.
Still 10 days away from his 15th birthday and unable to drive on public roads, Auston Harris is nevertheless a veteran racer and one of the quicker of the four who share the car with our man Csere.�
[url]http://www.ct-motorsport.com/[/url]
| AndrewSS | 12-07-2005 03:42 AM |
wow... one talented... and damn lucky kid, im jealous to say the least lol :)
| MPME | 12-07-2005 05:07 AM |
[QUOTE=makofoto]WOW!!! ... Lucky ... but TALENTED KID! :eek:
Auston, who had never driven an all wheel drive car much less a turbo charged car before Friday announced his arrival to the team by setting the teams quickest lap of the day during his 20 laps of familiarization testing.
Auston drove a total of four hours in two stints. The first stint was from 2:30 pm until 5:00 pm on Saturday while the second as from 11:30pm until 1:00am. Throughout both stints Auston demonstrated his skill by turning consistently quick lap times. He turned his fastest race lap during his second stint, in the dark.
Car and Driver through their web site, CarAndDriver.com maintained a log of the event with periodic updates. A quote from one of the logs reads: �... And it�s also distinguished by a teen-aged driver.
Still 10 days away from his 15th birthday and unable to drive on public roads, Auston Harris is nevertheless a veteran racer and one of the quicker of the four who share the car with our man Csere.�
[url]http://www.ct-motorsport.com/[/url][/QUOTE]
No doubt--he was just a sweetheart, but also gave the older/veteran drivers a REALLY hard time--made fun of all of them and generally hung right in when it came time to give each other ****. Loved him, and I'm working to help his management team to get him into bigger and better things for next year. Anybody would want to do the same after meeting him and seeing him drive. Playful yet serious, and serioulsy fast--not a bad combination for someone that turns 15 on 12/11...
Auston, who had never driven an all wheel drive car much less a turbo charged car before Friday announced his arrival to the team by setting the teams quickest lap of the day during his 20 laps of familiarization testing.
Auston drove a total of four hours in two stints. The first stint was from 2:30 pm until 5:00 pm on Saturday while the second as from 11:30pm until 1:00am. Throughout both stints Auston demonstrated his skill by turning consistently quick lap times. He turned his fastest race lap during his second stint, in the dark.
Car and Driver through their web site, CarAndDriver.com maintained a log of the event with periodic updates. A quote from one of the logs reads: �... And it�s also distinguished by a teen-aged driver.
Still 10 days away from his 15th birthday and unable to drive on public roads, Auston Harris is nevertheless a veteran racer and one of the quicker of the four who share the car with our man Csere.�
[url]http://www.ct-motorsport.com/[/url][/QUOTE]
No doubt--he was just a sweetheart, but also gave the older/veteran drivers a REALLY hard time--made fun of all of them and generally hung right in when it came time to give each other ****. Loved him, and I'm working to help his management team to get him into bigger and better things for next year. Anybody would want to do the same after meeting him and seeing him drive. Playful yet serious, and serioulsy fast--not a bad combination for someone that turns 15 on 12/11...
| Kaymin | 12-07-2005 05:33 AM |
thats frikken awesome! Inspires me even tho i can drive on the roads, how do you get involved in that kind of stuff anyways?
| skuttledude | 12-07-2005 09:50 AM |
Great job Gary!
| Leonardo | 12-07-2005 10:11 AM |
Congrats to the team!
Job well done!
Job well done!
| Leonardo | 12-07-2005 10:12 AM |
Oh, and nice winglets on the front fenders! Wonder how much time will go by till we see those on street cars (read: ricers) ;)
| MPME | 12-07-2005 10:22 AM |
[QUOTE=Leonardo]Oh, and nice winglets on the front fenders! Wonder how much time will go by till we see those on street cars (read: ricers) ;)[/QUOTE]
I'm REALLY hoping it won't be anytime soon, but I'm probably kidding myself...
I'm REALLY hoping it won't be anytime soon, but I'm probably kidding myself...
| BIGSKYWRX | 12-07-2005 10:41 AM |
Congrats to the whole team- just finishing a 25 hour race is quite an acomplishment!
One set of rotors- wow! Impressive.
One set of rotors- wow! Impressive.
| Patrick L | 12-07-2005 11:24 AM |
Way too go Gary and your team. I was wondering what you had been driving lately.
| makofoto | 12-07-2005 11:34 AM |
Kaymin ... check out your local go-karting and Auto Cross scene. If you go to the SCCA web site ... you can look up the local action in your area. Washington has a pretty active Auto Cross scene ... a good place to inexpensively get into fast precise yet pretty safe driving ...
| MPME | 12-07-2005 02:31 PM |
[QUOTE=makofoto]Kaymin ... check out your local go-karting and Auto Cross scene. If you go to the SCCA web site ... you can look up the local action in your area. Washington has a pretty active Auto Cross scene ... a good place to inexpensively get into fast precise yet pretty safe driving ...[/QUOTE]
Gary's fellow pro driver Dave McEntee runs/own Infinity Karting Services at Sears Point--don't hesitate to call him (look up their site and #, all I have is his personal cell)and get some basic info on Karting in general. He's the coolest guy and really helpful--LONG time Jim Russell school instructor too, so he knows how to answer all your questions.
Gary's fellow pro driver Dave McEntee runs/own Infinity Karting Services at Sears Point--don't hesitate to call him (look up their site and #, all I have is his personal cell)and get some basic info on Karting in general. He's the coolest guy and really helpful--LONG time Jim Russell school instructor too, so he knows how to answer all your questions.
| suberboy | 12-07-2005 03:37 PM |
Congrats Gary and team!
noah
noah
| sersen | 12-07-2005 06:10 PM |
Gary,
What's the deal with these canards? Is this a combination of downforce, ventilation and aerodynamics (around mirrors)? Or just a marketing oppurtunity?
[IMG]http://para.noid.org/gallery/2005-25hrs-Thunderhill/IMG_6306?full=1[/IMG]
What's the deal with these canards? Is this a combination of downforce, ventilation and aerodynamics (around mirrors)? Or just a marketing oppurtunity?
[IMG]http://para.noid.org/gallery/2005-25hrs-Thunderhill/IMG_6306?full=1[/IMG]
| AndyRoo | 12-07-2005 06:57 PM |
[QUOTE=sersen]Gary,
What's the deal with these canards? Is this a combination of downforce, ventilation and aerodynamics (around mirrors)? Or just a marketing oppurtunity?
[IMG]http://para.noid.org/gallery/2005-25hrs-Thunderhill/IMG_6306?full=1[/IMG][/QUOTE]
It was talked about a little in the other thread:
[QUOTE=MPME] They are from a 2001 CART Indycar--in my former life as an Indycar Team Manager and Engineer, aerodynamics were my favorite discipline. Knowing some of the inherent understeer characteristics in the STi (most 4WD cars, for that matter), I opted to use some air to solve the problem along with a number of engineering/setup work. The Perrin PSRS pieces also helped, but I wanted to adopt some of my experience to an STi as no one has ever seen. They aren't for looks (although I knew they'd freak people out), do work, and provide a known amount of downforce and drag at specific speeds the vehicle operates at. At the 25hrs, some of the press started calling the car *The Flying Nun*...
I have and Indycar rear wing I wanted to mount, but without time to work on some underbody areodynamics, I would have only induced greater understeer--that wing makes BIG downforce.
I have an article in this months TPR ([url]www.tprmag.com[/url]) on street/strip aero, and have the 2nd part on road racing aero due tomorrow night.
ART is supposed to be a manifestation of knowledge learned in coslty series, distilled down to something the average racer can use to their benefit, but also can't find anywhere else, be it parts or engineering and design services. That's not a plug, just what we're about.[/QUOTE]
What's the deal with these canards? Is this a combination of downforce, ventilation and aerodynamics (around mirrors)? Or just a marketing oppurtunity?
[IMG]http://para.noid.org/gallery/2005-25hrs-Thunderhill/IMG_6306?full=1[/IMG][/QUOTE]
It was talked about a little in the other thread:
[QUOTE=MPME] They are from a 2001 CART Indycar--in my former life as an Indycar Team Manager and Engineer, aerodynamics were my favorite discipline. Knowing some of the inherent understeer characteristics in the STi (most 4WD cars, for that matter), I opted to use some air to solve the problem along with a number of engineering/setup work. The Perrin PSRS pieces also helped, but I wanted to adopt some of my experience to an STi as no one has ever seen. They aren't for looks (although I knew they'd freak people out), do work, and provide a known amount of downforce and drag at specific speeds the vehicle operates at. At the 25hrs, some of the press started calling the car *The Flying Nun*...
I have and Indycar rear wing I wanted to mount, but without time to work on some underbody areodynamics, I would have only induced greater understeer--that wing makes BIG downforce.
I have an article in this months TPR ([url]www.tprmag.com[/url]) on street/strip aero, and have the 2nd part on road racing aero due tomorrow night.
ART is supposed to be a manifestation of knowledge learned in coslty series, distilled down to something the average racer can use to their benefit, but also can't find anywhere else, be it parts or engineering and design services. That's not a plug, just what we're about.[/QUOTE]
| Joel Gat, 1.8L | 12-07-2005 07:14 PM |
Hello,
Marshall neglected to mention that some were calling the car a maxi-pad - it's red and it has wings... Yikes! Personally, I liked having tool/cell phone holders on the car :D
Joel
Marshall neglected to mention that some were calling the car a maxi-pad - it's red and it has wings... Yikes! Personally, I liked having tool/cell phone holders on the car :D
Joel
| Damon | 12-07-2005 07:25 PM |
that wing is sooo rice. :P
awesome car, and good job! +1 for subaru! :)
awesome car, and good job! +1 for subaru! :)
| AndyRoo | 12-07-2005 07:38 PM |
[QUOTE=Joel Gat, 1.8L]Hello,
Marshall neglected to mention that some were calling the car a maxi-pad - it's red and it has wings... Yikes! Personally, I liked having tool/cell phone holders on the car :D
Joel[/QUOTE]
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Marshall neglected to mention that some were calling the car a maxi-pad - it's red and it has wings... Yikes! Personally, I liked having tool/cell phone holders on the car :D
Joel[/QUOTE]
:lol: :lol: :lol:
| pio!pio! | 12-07-2005 08:08 PM |
The car was built to WC specs yes? Then couldn't some more front downforce be obtained by working the front bumper/splitter a bit more? Thinking of the old Audi WCGGT cars..deep splitter, vertical vanes to keep air from spilling off the splitter too soon as the air goes around the side of the bumper...that part of the bumper deeply inboard so when the air finalyl leaves the splitter/bumper it will create a low pressure pocket near the front wheels, sucking out air from the wheel well (which would be where the front diffuser exits)
I was looking at the CTS-V WCGT car and the fron of the front wheel well was userd to suck air out of the front diffuser and totally had a tiny venturi tunnel action going on there
I was looking at the CTS-V WCGT car and the fron of the front wheel well was userd to suck air out of the front diffuser and totally had a tiny venturi tunnel action going on there
| pio!pio! | 12-07-2005 08:09 PM |
Those maxi-wings prolly connect directly to the front suspension pickup point huh? :)
| Joel Gat, 1.8L | 12-07-2005 08:13 PM |
[QUOTE=pio!pio!]Then couldn't some more front downforce be obtained by working the front bumper/splitter a bit more? Thinking of the old Audi WCGGT cars..deep splitter, vertical vanes to keep air from spilling off the splitter too soon as the air goes around the side of the bumper...[/QUOTE]
Hello,
I think you're confusing this almost entirely volunteer effort with an effort that has a budget!
Joel
Hello,
I think you're confusing this almost entirely volunteer effort with an effort that has a budget!
Joel
| pio!pio! | 12-07-2005 08:21 PM |
[QUOTE=Joel Gat, 1.8L]Hello,
I think you're confusing this almost entirely volunteer effort with an effort that has a budget!
Joel[/QUOTE]
kekeke!!
hey what if you connected the two maxi wings together to form a wing that goes over the hood... :) you aren't really increasing the frontal area of the car..since the windshield was there first...
so more df w/ less drag than a wing in open air..just gotta figure out the AoA of the air as it flows over the hood
I think you're confusing this almost entirely volunteer effort with an effort that has a budget!
Joel[/QUOTE]
kekeke!!
hey what if you connected the two maxi wings together to form a wing that goes over the hood... :) you aren't really increasing the frontal area of the car..since the windshield was there first...
so more df w/ less drag than a wing in open air..just gotta figure out the AoA of the air as it flows over the hood
| trhoppe | 12-07-2005 10:32 PM |
Great job guys and an awesome result!!
-Tom
-Tom
| Homemade WRX | 12-08-2005 12:25 AM |
[QUOTE=MPME]No, the wings are there to create downforce--dirty downforce (lots of drag), but downforce nonetheless. The fact that they help to split the airstream around the mirrors is only a side benefit. They are from a 2001 CART Indycar, and my company, ART, will be offering a variety of such Indycar/Prototype-themed products.[/QUOTE]
interesting, I guess diveplates up front wouldn't create enough frontal downforce including the position difference?...I would have tried to play the dive plates off of a front splitter/lip...but I don't know the rules you guys have...
and definately congrats to the team!!
interesting, I guess diveplates up front wouldn't create enough frontal downforce including the position difference?...I would have tried to play the dive plates off of a front splitter/lip...but I don't know the rules you guys have...
and definately congrats to the team!!
| pio!pio! | 12-08-2005 03:04 AM |
i've read that diveplanes are pretty efficient, but the downside is they are suceptiable to crash damage :P
also who knows how the air they disturb would interact w/ the maxi-wings
also who knows how the air they disturb would interact w/ the maxi-wings
| MPME | 12-08-2005 10:48 AM |
[QUOTE=pio!pio!]i've read that diveplanes are pretty efficient, but the downside is they are suceptiable to crash damage :P
also who knows how the air they disturb would interact w/ the maxi-wings[/QUOTE]
piopio--you are dead on here--for the car's hopeful WCGT future, my Indycar wings will have to go--for the 25hr, a race with a lot of "talented" drivers, the last thing I wanted was to hang items that made downforce anywhere near a location they might be hit. The wings were placed high, out of the way, and never came close to being touched.
As for working the front bumper/splitter, yes, this is a BIG area of development and 1st on my list for next year.
also who knows how the air they disturb would interact w/ the maxi-wings[/QUOTE]
piopio--you are dead on here--for the car's hopeful WCGT future, my Indycar wings will have to go--for the 25hr, a race with a lot of "talented" drivers, the last thing I wanted was to hang items that made downforce anywhere near a location they might be hit. The wings were placed high, out of the way, and never came close to being touched.
As for working the front bumper/splitter, yes, this is a BIG area of development and 1st on my list for next year.
| pio!pio! | 12-08-2005 02:11 PM |
would you indycar wings be against the rules in WCGT? It's been awhile since I read the rulebook, but you can't attach wings and aero devices directly on the suspension right?
| MPME | 12-08-2005 06:33 PM |
[QUOTE=pio!pio!]The car was built to WC specs yes? Then couldn't some more front downforce be obtained by working the front bumper/splitter a bit more? Thinking of the old Audi WCGGT cars..deep splitter, vertical vanes to keep air from spilling off the splitter too soon as the air goes around the side of the bumper...that part of the bumper deeply inboard so when the air finalyl leaves the splitter/bumper it will create a low pressure pocket near the front wheels, sucking out air from the wheel well (which would be where the front diffuser exits)
I was looking at the CTS-V WCGT car and the fron of the front wheel well was userd to suck air out of the front diffuser and totally had a tiny venturi tunnel action going on there[/QUOTE]
Yep--I worked with the Cadillac WCGT this year, and trust me, I have LOTS of photos that will be used as inspirations for the STi's final build phase.
I was looking at the CTS-V WCGT car and the fron of the front wheel well was userd to suck air out of the front diffuser and totally had a tiny venturi tunnel action going on there[/QUOTE]
Yep--I worked with the Cadillac WCGT this year, and trust me, I have LOTS of photos that will be used as inspirations for the STi's final build phase.
| MPME | 12-08-2005 06:35 PM |
[QUOTE=pio!pio!]would you indycar wings be against the rules in WCGT? It's been awhile since I read the rulebook, but you can't attach wings and aero devices directly on the suspension right?[/QUOTE]
If the Afshar signature series was homologated with the wings, just like highly customized Saleen Mustang that runs in GT, there's a possibility. We'd have to retrofit 40 cars to do that, and as we no longer own those 40 cars, it won't happen. Wish we could...anybody up for some late night wing attachng across the country...
If the Afshar signature series was homologated with the wings, just like highly customized Saleen Mustang that runs in GT, there's a possibility. We'd have to retrofit 40 cars to do that, and as we no longer own those 40 cars, it won't happen. Wish we could...anybody up for some late night wing attachng across the country...
| pio!pio! | 12-08-2005 07:14 PM |
[QUOTE=MPME]Yep--I worked with the Cadillac WCGT this year, and trust me, I have LOTS of photos that will be used as inspirations for the STi's final build phase.[/QUOTE]
hey question for you then
In the trunk of that CTS racecar there is a vent w/ fans and stuff
what is that for? couldn't figire it out at Laguna Seca this year. It's either an oil cooler or rear diff cooler.???
And where does it draw air from? It appears to draw air from underneath the car? And if so...has it been sculpted to be an aerodynamic device??
hey question for you then
In the trunk of that CTS racecar there is a vent w/ fans and stuff
what is that for? couldn't figire it out at Laguna Seca this year. It's either an oil cooler or rear diff cooler.???
And where does it draw air from? It appears to draw air from underneath the car? And if so...has it been sculpted to be an aerodynamic device??
| MPME | 12-08-2005 07:36 PM |
[QUOTE=pio!pio!]hey question for you then
In the trunk of that CTS racecar there is a vent w/ fans and stuff
what is that for? couldn't figire it out at Laguna Seca this year. It's either an oil cooler or rear diff cooler.???
And where does it draw air from? It appears to draw air from underneath the car? And if so...has it been sculpted to be an aerodynamic device??[/QUOTE]
Both--oil/diff coolers--pulls air from the bottom rear of the car, fans and suction extraxt the air from the carbon ducting that leads to the opening in the trunk back.
In the trunk of that CTS racecar there is a vent w/ fans and stuff
what is that for? couldn't figire it out at Laguna Seca this year. It's either an oil cooler or rear diff cooler.???
And where does it draw air from? It appears to draw air from underneath the car? And if so...has it been sculpted to be an aerodynamic device??[/QUOTE]
Both--oil/diff coolers--pulls air from the bottom rear of the car, fans and suction extraxt the air from the carbon ducting that leads to the opening in the trunk back.
| nate49509 | 12-08-2005 08:42 PM |
Congrats to everyone envloved. Its really great too see a Subaru running and winning against some really fast cars.
| Homemade WRX | 12-08-2005 09:38 PM |
[QUOTE=MPME]piopio--you are dead on here--for the car's hopeful WCGT future, my Indycar wings will have to go--for the 25hr, a race with a lot of "talented" drivers, the last thing I wanted was to hang items that made downforce anywhere near a location they might be hit. The wings were placed high, out of the way, and never came close to being touched.
As for working the front bumper/splitter, yes, this is a BIG area of development and 1st on my list for next year.[/QUOTE]
yeah, I never thought about the "skilled driving" ;)
As for working the front bumper/splitter, yes, this is a BIG area of development and 1st on my list for next year.[/QUOTE]
yeah, I never thought about the "skilled driving" ;)
| Mushashi | 12-09-2005 12:27 AM |
Awsome
| pio!pio! | 12-09-2005 02:13 AM |
[QUOTE=MPME]Both--oil/diff coolers--pulls air from the bottom rear of the car, fans and suction extraxt the air from the carbon ducting that leads to the opening in the trunk back.[/QUOTE]
nice little downforce adding cooling duct there :)
nice little downforce adding cooling duct there :)
| Element Tuning | 12-09-2005 11:18 AM |
Congratulations, that was an awesome effort!
Thanks,
Phil
[url]www.elementtuning.com[/url]
Thanks,
Phil
[url]www.elementtuning.com[/url]
| whoosher | 12-09-2005 07:01 PM |
very impressive
| aspera | 01-21-2006 02:26 AM |
The first thing that I thought of was older BMW race cars that had fence rails on the sides of the hood. The theory was that air wouldn't 'fall off' the hood.
Many cars, notably Mercedes Benz, have A-posts that stick out more than the windshield glass. That 'captures' the high pressure air being shoved up the windshield.
If you can do the wings, then can't you use these tricks? Allow the hood and windshield to make the downforce and then just fence it so it doesn't tumble off the sides.
Many cars, notably Mercedes Benz, have A-posts that stick out more than the windshield glass. That 'captures' the high pressure air being shoved up the windshield.
If you can do the wings, then can't you use these tricks? Allow the hood and windshield to make the downforce and then just fence it so it doesn't tumble off the sides.
| aspera | 01-26-2006 08:39 PM |
[url]http://www.v6-s12.com/images/Wallpapers/S12_Nismo_Racer.jpg[/url]
...found this pic of an old Nissan S12 race car.
...looks very Bosozoku. :D
In the picture you can clearly see the A-post lexan fences. The fences on the side of the hood are harder to see.
...found this pic of an old Nissan S12 race car.
...looks very Bosozoku. :D
In the picture you can clearly see the A-post lexan fences. The fences on the side of the hood are harder to see.
| AndyRoo | 01-26-2006 09:51 PM |
[QUOTE=aspera][url]http://www.v6-s12.com/images/Wallpapers/S12_Nismo_Racer.jpg[/url]
...found this pic of an old Nissan S12 race car.
...looks very Bosozoku. :D
In the picture you can clearly see the A-post lexan fences. The fences on the side of the hood are harder to see.[/QUOTE]
pretty cool pic!
...found this pic of an old Nissan S12 race car.
...looks very Bosozoku. :D
In the picture you can clearly see the A-post lexan fences. The fences on the side of the hood are harder to see.[/QUOTE]
pretty cool pic!
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