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WRX Euro Taillight part 1

Kenji815 07-27-2004 04:32 PM

WRX Euro Taillight
People who make these should get shot...
i hate euro tail light
first of all.. it's not euro... i dunno who came up with the name
2nd.. it's so rice..

[IMG]http://www.westcohost.com/ebay/products/rt100470.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.westcohost.com/ebay/products/rt100468.jpg[/IMG]
aerofan897 07-27-2004 05:37 PM

I concur. They do suck.
Handsdown 07-27-2004 05:42 PM

then don't buy them. it's called free trade system and supply and demand.
chopaholix 07-27-2004 05:50 PM

Ibtl
wrxinmn 07-27-2004 06:00 PM

I dunno, I kinda like that first one. Theres a flat black one I was thinking of getting and painting Sedona Red like the Morettes.

I've seen these lights look good..some of them at least (not the ones with red flames). My friend has a blue MP3 and some Altezzas that look pretty good on it. They dont and out but look nice and subtle actually.

i think one big problem is that the wrx is not really a chrome friendly car.
Thumper23 07-27-2004 06:13 PM

I too think they look stupid but atleast the first one doesn't look half bad

now the second one, sheesh
Kenji815 07-27-2004 06:15 PM

maybe if you smoke the lights..or overlay with red... so look like orginal but have circular light up.. that "might" look ok..
Handsdown 07-27-2004 06:19 PM

[QUOTE=Kenji815]maybe if you smoke the lights..or overlay with red... so look like orginal but have circular light up.. that "might" look ok..[/QUOTE]
i like the inventiveness here... but no, i don't think anything would make those look good.
Kenji815 07-27-2004 06:20 PM

true.. it's ilke buying aftermarket.. and making it back to stock..
very point less..
i like my stock the way they are..
satrya 07-27-2004 07:37 PM

[QUOTE=Kenji815]i like my stock the way they are..[/QUOTE]
Fortunately for my04-05, the rear taillight cluster has clear lens over the reverse bulbs. Presumably, the reverse bulbs are brighter than that of the my02-03s.

For my02-03, the diffuse output of the reverse bulbs makes backing up in dark places a bit difficult. The way I see it, it's a good thing people come up with aftermarket parts. Even if they have their own shortcomings used as is, there's almost always room for DIY improvement/adaptation. I could add an aux. switchable reverse light units (see picture below) to a used (& inexpensive) aftermarket taillights.
[IMG]http://mechatro2.me.berkeley.edu/~satrya/pics/photos/imputaillight/rev001.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://mechatro2.me.berkeley.edu/~satrya/pics/photos/imputaillight/rev067.jpg[/IMG]
deebo 07-27-2004 08:50 PM

i think the first ones arent too bad if they were all black around the lights and if they got rid of the red lines on the top right
Handsdown 07-27-2004 09:32 PM

the idea of cicular lights in tails that weren't designed for it never appealed to me.
03boxer4 07-28-2004 01:37 AM

[QUOTE=satrya]Fortunately for my04-05, the rear taillight cluster has clear lens over the reverse bulbs. Presumably, the reverse bulbs are brighter than that of the my02-03s.

For my02-03, the diffuse output of the reverse bulbs makes backing up in dark places a bit difficult. The way I see it, it's a good thing people come up with aftermarket parts. Even if they have their own shortcomings used as is, there's almost always room for DIY improvement/adaptation. I could add an aux. switchable reverse light units (see picture below) to a used (& inexpensive) aftermarket taillights.
[IMG]http://mechatro2.me.berkeley.edu/~satrya/pics/photos/imputaillight/rev001.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://mechatro2.me.berkeley.edu/~satrya/pics/photos/imputaillight/rev067.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
these are eftermarket right? to look like the 04-05's.... i like them a lot, pm me lemme know how much u got em for
imprezivenycz 07-28-2004 08:31 AM

they give u more HP!
BryanH 07-28-2004 08:34 AM

I would love to be able to replace my stock lights with lights that:

1. Use leds instead of bulbs. I think they look neat and they are brighter.

2. Have a brighter backup bulb...nuf said about that....

3. Smoked. I just think it looks neat.
wieger54 07-28-2004 11:01 AM

Well, they sell these spider (Morette) lights at my dealership here. [IMG]http://www.mulsanne.com/images/lighting/morette/Subaru/light_mrt_wrx-SBO5.jpg[/IMG]

mike...
satrya 07-28-2004 11:19 AM

[QUOTE=03boxer4]these are eftermarket right? to look like the 04-05's.... i like them a lot, pm me lemme know how much u got em for[/QUOTE]

Yes, they began life as altezza style taillights.
[IMG]http://mechatro2.me.berkeley.edu/~satrya/pics/photos/imputaillight/compare00.jpg[/IMG]
Fortunately, the demand for these in nasioc isn't that high, so I was able to get a used one shipped for about US$40 iirc. I went through a series of comparisons with oem to see whether they are adequate from functional and safety points of view. I concluded in this thread:
--> [url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=543930[/url]
that the only shortcoming can be dealt with.

Details on the conversion can be found in:
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=601912[/url]

The clear lens is a convenient platform for adding brighter reverse bulbs, which was the main reason for that DIY.

If your interest is mainly getting aftermarket that looks like the 04-05s, then I suggest getting the "jaguar" style. They're somewhat closer without modifications. One thing you may need to do is to improve the watertightness of it. See posts #13-15 in my thread above for how I dealt with it. It may work for the jaguar style as well.
satrya 07-28-2004 11:24 AM

[QUOTE=BryanH]I would love to be able to replace my stock lights with lights that:
1. Use leds instead of bulbs. I think they look neat and they are brighter.
2. Have a brighter backup bulb...nuf said about that....
3. Smoked. I just think it looks neat.[/QUOTE]
(1) You might want to consider the choices at [url]www.superbrightleds.com[/url] .
Never shopped there but that site gets mentioned here in nasioc every now and then.
(2) Agree. That's why I did the DIY above.
(3) Nice. But the problem is that you'd lose some of the gain from adding brighter light sources.
deebo 07-28-2004 04:16 PM

the morettes are hideous but they have the right idea just too many circles and too small
VSGTS14 07-28-2004 08:32 PM

the only nice ones would be completely red outs made by TYC....which they don't make or black housing from TYC on a black car...
i love the stock 04 tails.
JDM Junkyard 10-27-2004 12:24 PM

[img]http://www.geocities.com/blitzmkii/pictures/WRX/back-04.jpg[/img]
kennyvb 10-27-2004 12:49 PM

no euros
Rebellion 10-27-2004 01:12 PM

can't fault JDM Junkyard's car... they look good on it. anything other than the black on black is pretty fugly though.
CtGT 10-27-2004 01:36 PM

jdm junkyards car looks aight with them.

Why would anyone want to change the oem wrx lights? They are about as euro as you can get (red w/clear). They are perfect the way they are imo!
JDM Junkyard 10-27-2004 02:06 PM

yes...i don't call them euros, or altezzas, or whatever you want to call them. I call them TYC lights...hence the license plate....

Ron
MattDell 10-27-2004 02:06 PM

I agree about the name. Why are they called Euro Tails when Japanese cars were the first (and still the only?) cars to have them. :confused:


-Matt
satrya 10-27-2004 02:09 PM

[QUOTE=CtGT]Why would anyone want to change the oem wrx lights? They are about as euro as you can get (red w/clear). They are perfect the way they are imo![/QUOTE]
Imho, aftermarket companies wouldn't survive if everyone thinks whatever they got need no modification / personalization. The fact that they are around means that the market exists, and that for one reason or another, the buyers believe these parts provide improves over oem.

Regarding the my2002 GD impreza taillights, imho there is room for improvement, as apparent from the changes on my2004+ onwards. I'm not talking about aesthetics though, as that would be very difficult to have universal agreement on.
CtGT 10-27-2004 02:17 PM

[QUOTE=satrya]
Regarding the my2002 GD impreza taillights, imho there is room for improvement, as apparent from the changes on my2004+ onwards. I'm not talking about aesthetics though, as that would be very difficult to have universal agreement on.[/QUOTE]

So you are saying there is room for improvement on the function of the 04+ tailights? Like what?
wieger54 10-27-2004 02:50 PM

[QUOTE=MattDell]I agree about the name. Why are they called Euro Tails when Japanese cars were the first (and still the only?) cars to have them. :confused:
-Matt[/QUOTE]

Euro is just short for "Euro Trash". Trust me I should know. :lol:

mike...
MattDell 10-27-2004 03:17 PM

But 95% of the cars with I see (perhaps Germany is different) with aftermarket "Euro Tails" are Japanese. And they were first on the Toyota Altezza, a Japanese car.


I still don't understand. :confused:

-Matt
JDM Junkyard 10-27-2004 03:20 PM

I believe it's the popularity in Europe. That�s what our sales($ figure) say anyways.
Nytmare 10-27-2004 03:35 PM

[QUOTE=JDM Junkyard][img]http://www.geocities.com/blitzmkii/pictures/WRX/back-04.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]


That's hawt.


And thanks for this pointless thread! :rolleyes:
satrya 10-27-2004 04:17 PM

[QUOTE=CtGT]So you are saying there is room for improvement on the function of the 04+ tailights? Like what?[/QUOTE]
I meant that some of the changes in my2004+ impreza taillights compared to the my2002-2003 in terms of composition improves the efficiency of the taillight (re: my initial response in this thread). So:
my2004+ taillight > my2002-2003 taillight

Imho, the my2004+ impreza taillight is improved over the my2002-2003 impreza taillight thanks to the use of a combination of clear lens (both the "white" & red) and complex reflectors instead of the diffuse lens and (possibly different & simpler) reflectors. With the same wattage, there is less loss of intensity with the clear lens, which means that if the reflector inside is properly designed, you still get the same angular coverage (i.e. how each particular light is supposed to cover) at a greater overall brightness.

Just like how headlights evolved in terms of the reflector design (parabolic --> free form --> ellipsoidal) and the dissapearance of the refractive grating (used in parabolic reflector types) on the lens cover, taillights also have evolved from the diffuse cover to a clear lens style with updated reflector design. Imho, aesthetics is not the only reason for that trend.

Although I don't have my2004+ taillights, I've done comparison of the oem my2002 taillight with the lowly altezza style. Given the same bulb (oem), the altezza's lighting is "brighter" than the diffuse oem taillights of my my2002. This is especially true for the reverse and turn signals. That is not to say that the altezza or other aftermarket products are necessarily superior in all functional aspects.

my 2 cents
JDM Junkyard 10-27-2004 04:51 PM

[QUOTE=satrya]I meant that some of the changes in my2004+ impreza taillights compared to the my2002-2003 in terms of composition improves the efficiency of the taillight (re: my initial response in this thread). So:
my2004+ taillight > my2002-2003 taillight

Imho, the my2004+ impreza taillight is improved over the my2002-2003 impreza taillight thanks to the use of a combination of clear lens (both the "white" & red) and complex reflectors instead of the diffuse lens and (possibly different & simpler) reflectors. With the same wattage, there is less loss of intensity with the clear lens, which means that if the reflector inside is properly designed, you still get the same angular coverage (i.e. how each particular light is supposed to cover) at a greater overall brightness.

Just like how headlights evolved in terms of the reflector design (parabolic --> free form --> ellipsoidal) and the dissapearance of the refractive grating (used in parabolic reflector types) on the lens cover, taillights also have evolved from the diffuse cover to a clear lens style with updated reflector design. Imho, aesthetics is not the only reason for that trend.

Although I don't have my2004+ taillights, I've done comparison of the oem my2002 taillight with the lowly altezza style. Given the same bulb (oem), the altezza's lighting is "brighter" than the diffuse oem taillights of my my2002. This is especially true for the reverse and turn signals. That is not to say that the altezza or other aftermarket products are necessarily superior in all functional aspects.

my 2 cents[/QUOTE]

I can get into extreme details with this...but let's put it this way.

1) Some OE lights don't pass the neccesary requirements for FMVSS regulations, but they are still produced and are running around on our streets. Reason is that the FMVSS 101 allows the OE unit to be only ~80% compliant, so some are borderline when manufactured, and during manufacturing the devience can be even more...which in turn make them noncompliant.

2) The lights made by TYC are 100% superior compared to all other altezza style, jag style, or euro style due tot he intense photometrics that are cunducted and stuff we do to make them 100% legal for use with FMVSS 101, and the SAE/DOT regulations.

3) ...i won't get into more detail.

Oh well....nevermind.

Ron
bahboy20 10-27-2004 05:24 PM

tails
I think the first ones look ok, and jdm junkyards look good too. i agree that hte wrx's are not chrome friendly. The black on black looks good, and I also think that if the first pic'ed fake cf areas were painted to match the car color, it might look tight!

anyone want to do a photoshop of the first pic'ed lights, with the fake cf area painted to match the car color?
Rebellion 10-27-2004 05:32 PM

altezza != euro
euro are white/clear + red not clear w/ stuff underneath.
Dr. WOT 10-28-2004 09:47 AM

[QUOTE=Rebellion]can't fault JDM Junkyard's car... they look good on it. anything other than the black on black is pretty fugly though.[/QUOTE]

Warning kids, don't try this at home! JDM Junkyard is a trained professional! ;)
attitude 10-28-2004 09:55 AM

vomit on the spider lights
bahboy20 10-28-2004 11:48 AM

confused
so the original poster just posts that the lights suck and that people should be shot? whats the point of this thread? just to rant and make people who have them feel like crap?


dan

p.s. no i dont have them !
wieger54 10-28-2004 12:01 PM

I have no problem with them anymore. I figure it's their car, their money, their taste. I'm pretty sure I have something on my car that a lot of people dislike, but do I care...nope.

mike...
Imprezanize 10-28-2004 10:55 PM

oem looks better
CtGT 10-29-2004 10:42 AM

I agree!!! oem looks the BEST!
02 Great White 09-28-2005 03:32 AM

^^^^Why? Why do majority of subaru people think that oem lights look better than euro/altezza/tyc, etc. Majority of honda, toyota, lexus people seem to like euro taillights.

I never seen people making such a big deal about keeping the oem taillights or getting altezzas? If having alezzas on your car is rice, the same can be said about all the body kits, turbo upgrades, FMIC, rims, mufflers, nos, seats, gauges, etc. Then the car should be kept the way it came from the factory. Therefore it (the car) has all the necessary functionality/efficiency, there is no need to improve/adjust the look of your car. What's the big deal with functionality/efficiency of taillights, it's all about the way one's car looks (my opinion) I mean, it doesn't matter what taillights you have as long as when you hit the brakes the light goes on, when you turn on a turn signal the light flashes, etc. I also disagree with the comment somewhere at the top about "whoever made those lights should be shot". I'm pretty sure that there are a lot of people who like that style, I do, there are a lot of combinations where these lights look good with the car, there are also some combinations where stock lights just don't fit with the image of the car as well as some alezza/euro lights would. I'm sorry, i just havent seen people being so offensive. I have altezzas on my celica, they look good in my opinion, and a lot of people said that they liked the look/effect of these lights on my car, now i've bought a set of altezzas for my wrx, I think they will look good with the car. I've been a member of a number of different celica forums in the last few years and I've never seen people being as offensive as they are in this forum "euro trash" "whoever made...be shot" rice comments, etc. This does make people who have these lights feel like carp. In other forums people suggest that certain things look better than others, but they don't call people who have those things ricers, or euro trash, and say that whoever made those things should be shot, etc. I'm new to nasioc, since I just bought a wrx and was looking for some info, and so far I don't really like it, especially posts about lights and spoiler issues.
DieselClown 09-28-2005 08:17 AM

^^Seriously, take it easy there bud. It's called personal opinion like you said. Some may think that my Sti HIDs are rice since they don't come from the factory but I like em. It's also been established that this thread was as pointless as the bashing suggested, but the fact that you wrote a book dedicated to bashing the bashers about bashing those hideous tails was quite entertaining. :)
BryanH 09-28-2005 08:48 AM

Can i buy a paragraph..........
mrjasey 09-28-2005 03:56 PM

i think they all look horrible on any car
kpxplaya415 09-28-2005 10:58 PM

how did you FIND THIS THREAD...
Dreammaster2.5RS 09-29-2005 01:07 AM

these threads about tyc lights are coming back from the dead... I know there is one when I had these lights on.....maybe it will pop up also......OH NO!
DieselClown 09-29-2005 08:49 AM

lol, I just noticed the date myself.
Samirr76 09-29-2005 08:56 AM

[QUOTE=02 Great White]....This does make people who have these lights feel like carp.[/QUOTE]

[IMG]http://www.gov.mb.ca/conservation/sustain/images/carp.jpg[/IMG]

I'm sorry you feel this way :confused: :lol:
Dreammaster2.5RS 09-29-2005 09:03 AM

:lol: :lol: I hate feeling like carp
Samirr76 09-29-2005 09:04 AM

^^^I hear its a fishy feeling.
kpxplaya415 09-29-2005 11:38 AM

[QUOTE=DieselClown]lol, I just noticed the date myself.[/QUOTE]

must've taken 11 months to write that post :o
IronMonkeyL255 09-29-2005 12:12 PM

[QUOTE=JDM Junkyard][img]http://www.geocities.com/blitzmkii/pictures/WRX/back-04.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]


That just looks awesome.

It's subtle, which is why it works.

The different shape of the lights works well, IMHO.

Got any front pics?
timeless 09-29-2005 12:46 PM

Sorry, but I beg to differ...car looks stunning except the tailights.
LOLSTi 09-29-2005 12:49 PM

[QUOTE=timeless]Sorry, but I beg to differ...car looks stunning except the tailights.[/QUOTE]
i agree. :(
02 Great White 09-29-2005 08:57 PM

[QUOTE=DieselClown]^^Seriously, take it easy there bud. It's called personal opinion like you said. Some may think that my Sti HIDs are rice since they don't come from the factory but I like em. It's also been established that this thread was as pointless as the bashing suggested, but the fact that you wrote a book dedicated to bashing the bashers about bashing those hideous tails was quite entertaining. :)[/QUOTE]

That was the whole point :lol: (the enterteinment part) You get entertained while I get my paper done. I don't really give a s**t about what others think about my car or whatever I've done with it. This was part of a project that I have to do for my psychology class, it's supposed to deal with emotion, surveys, different techniques of getting people to respond to your question/issue, and a whole bunch of other things I could explain what it is about but that will be another paragraph slightly longer than the one above :lol: Anyway, i had to get as many responces to the issue as possible. I know that this post thing is more than a year old, i'm sorry for bringing it back to live but this was the most recent issue that i thought might get a lot of responces. I know it's too long, but it had to be minimum 12 sentences long. There are a few spelling mistakes in there, I just found them, thats what happens when I try to write at nite.
02 Great White 09-29-2005 08:58 PM

[QUOTE=BryanH]Can i buy a paragraph..........[/QUOTE]

Sure, $20 send it via paypal :lol:
02 Great White 09-29-2005 09:08 PM

[QUOTE=kpxplaya415]how did you FIND THIS THREAD...[/QUOTE]

simple, it's called a search button :lol: No, I actually was looking for the wiring diagram or color codes for the stock head unit in a wrx, and there were little buttons on the botom of each page, 1 2 3 ... and so on, when you click on them another page comes up, I don't know how I found this lights thing but I though that this would work for the project/paper that I have to do and so far I think it should work.
02 Great White 09-29-2005 09:10 PM

[QUOTE=Samirr76][IMG]http://www.gov.mb.ca/conservation/sustain/images/carp.jpg[/IMG]

I'm sorry you feel this way :confused: :lol:[/QUOTE]

It was just a spelling mistake, but somehow I know that you knew :) :lol:

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