| heffergm | 03-03-2004 08:07 PM |
WRX in D Stock... Competitive?
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It seems to me that WRX's should be pretty competitive in D stock.
I was thinking of running the entire local event season this year (Washington DC Region), and am trying to figure out what route to go in terms of tires.
I was wondering what setup people running in D stock are using... since if my understanding is correct, you have to run 16" wheels. I doesn't look like Kumho makes a Victoracer in 205/45/16, so are people running the newer V700's?
I'd like to keep tire costs low, but still be reasonably competitive... any insight into D-stock setup is appreciated.
I was thinking of running the entire local event season this year (Washington DC Region), and am trying to figure out what route to go in terms of tires.
I was wondering what setup people running in D stock are using... since if my understanding is correct, you have to run 16" wheels. I doesn't look like Kumho makes a Victoracer in 205/45/16, so are people running the newer V700's?
I'd like to keep tire costs low, but still be reasonably competitive... any insight into D-stock setup is appreciated.
| 2superblus | 03-03-2004 08:11 PM |
FALKEN Azenis sport best bang for the buck.
| ChrisDP | 03-03-2004 08:24 PM |
been posted a bunch of times... basically... local setup=
Koni inserts
adjustable front swaybar 22-24mm
1/8" toe out front
max negative camber front (around -1.3 degrees)1/8"
1/8" to 1/4" toe out rear (mark bolts so you can set it back to zero for street driving and adjust it when you change tires, adds 5 minutes to tire swap procedure)
Kumho Ecsta V700 in 225/50/16
Koni inserts
adjustable front swaybar 22-24mm
1/8" toe out front
max negative camber front (around -1.3 degrees)1/8"
1/8" to 1/4" toe out rear (mark bolts so you can set it back to zero for street driving and adjust it when you change tires, adds 5 minutes to tire swap procedure)
Kumho Ecsta V700 in 225/50/16
| heffergm | 03-03-2004 08:30 PM |
Fair enough... thanks for the info.
| afpdl | 03-03-2004 10:27 PM |
I would personally use victoracers. Never heard anything good about the ecstas.
The wrx is not nationally competitive in DS but it can do well regionally.
The wrx is not nationally competitive in DS but it can do well regionally.
| sirfrankwilliams | 03-04-2004 01:10 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by 2superblus [/i]
[B]FALKEN Azenis sport best bang for the buck. [/B][/QUOTE]
Agreed. :)
We have a good time in SFR SCCA:
[url]http://www.sfrscca.org/solo2/Results/2004/Championship/round2.html#ds[/url]
(only the 330i is currently on R compounds)
[B]FALKEN Azenis sport best bang for the buck. [/B][/QUOTE]
Agreed. :)
We have a good time in SFR SCCA:
[url]http://www.sfrscca.org/solo2/Results/2004/Championship/round2.html#ds[/url]
(only the 330i is currently on R compounds)
| rankink | 03-04-2004 07:48 AM |
Go with the Victoracer over the V700, Azenis are a good bang for buck though. Especualy if you are just learning now.
Just watch out for the integra type-Rs. They are very fast with a good driver.
K
Just watch out for the integra type-Rs. They are very fast with a good driver.
K
| trhoppe | 03-04-2004 11:23 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by afpdl[/i]
[B] I would personally use victoracers. Never heard anything good about the ecstas.
The wrx is not nationally competitive in DS but it can do well regionally. [/B][/QUOTE]
:confused: Victoracers are off the pace bud.
Locally run whatever, it usually doesn't matter. Although you would spend a few more bucks out front, the Toyo RA1s would probably be your best local bet as they would last forever. Just get them shaved.
Nationally, a WRX can be very competitive and kick serious butt in ProSolos. You just have to use the 215/40/17 Hoosiers :)
-Tom
[B] I would personally use victoracers. Never heard anything good about the ecstas.
The wrx is not nationally competitive in DS but it can do well regionally. [/B][/QUOTE]
:confused: Victoracers are off the pace bud.
Locally run whatever, it usually doesn't matter. Although you would spend a few more bucks out front, the Toyo RA1s would probably be your best local bet as they would last forever. Just get them shaved.
Nationally, a WRX can be very competitive and kick serious butt in ProSolos. You just have to use the 215/40/17 Hoosiers :)
-Tom
| KC | 03-04-2004 11:25 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trhoppe[/i]
You just have to use the 215/40/[B]16[/B] Hoosiers :)
-Tom [/QUOTE]
Fixed that for ya.
You just have to use the 215/40/[B]16[/B] Hoosiers :)
-Tom [/QUOTE]
Fixed that for ya.
| trhoppe | 03-04-2004 12:07 PM |
yea yea :lol:
did you reply to my email yet beeeoootch?
-Tom
did you reply to my email yet beeeoootch?
-Tom
| KC | 03-04-2004 12:29 PM |
Read it.. haven't replied yet.
| dadswrx | 03-04-2004 06:09 PM |
Re: WRX in D Stock... Competitive?
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by heffergm [/i]
[B]It seems to me that WRX's should be pretty competitive in D stock.
I was thinking of running the entire local event season this year (Washington DC Region), and am trying to figure out what route to go in terms of tires.
[/B][/QUOTE]
An 02 WRX Wagon won DS in the local, local series (MWCSCC) in the DC area, but that driver did not compete in the SCCA series. All it had were Toyo RA-1's, an alignment, and a folically-challenged driver. It also did pretty well in the PAX results if you ignore the one SCCA event that isn't yet included in those results as of today.
[url]http://www.autocrossers.com/2003_MWCSCC_Season.html[/url]
If you are new to auto-x, keeping it simple is probably your best approach. Run some RA-1's (~$700 installed) to avoid the tire changing hassle, get max camber up front, and practice, practice, practice, driving the car around the course in the shortest time possible... ;)
Mike
02 WRX Wagon
[B]It seems to me that WRX's should be pretty competitive in D stock.
I was thinking of running the entire local event season this year (Washington DC Region), and am trying to figure out what route to go in terms of tires.
[/B][/QUOTE]
An 02 WRX Wagon won DS in the local, local series (MWCSCC) in the DC area, but that driver did not compete in the SCCA series. All it had were Toyo RA-1's, an alignment, and a folically-challenged driver. It also did pretty well in the PAX results if you ignore the one SCCA event that isn't yet included in those results as of today.
[url]http://www.autocrossers.com/2003_MWCSCC_Season.html[/url]
If you are new to auto-x, keeping it simple is probably your best approach. Run some RA-1's (~$700 installed) to avoid the tire changing hassle, get max camber up front, and practice, practice, practice, driving the car around the course in the shortest time possible... ;)
Mike
02 WRX Wagon
| Scoobie Doogie | 03-04-2004 08:26 PM |
The WRX can compete locally especially on the 215/40/16's. You'll get your butt handed to you on a platter if you run Azenis against R compounds in stock class unless you are a super duper driver. Last year I won a few events and then drove an ITR after I won an event. I bested my time by a second. I will own an ITR next week. (Until I can afford an STi anyway)
Dave
Dave
| afpdl | 03-04-2004 08:26 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trhoppe[/i]
[B] :confused: Victoracers are off the pace bud.
Locally run whatever, it usually doesn't matter. Although you would spend a few more bucks out front, the Toyo RA1s would probably be your best local bet as they would last forever. Just get them shaved.
Nationally, a WRX can be very competitive and kick serious butt in ProSolos. You just have to use the 215/40/17 Hoosiers :)
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
Sorry I didnt mean they were the fastest I meant they were better then esctas thats it. But they do just fine for regionals.
[B] :confused: Victoracers are off the pace bud.
Locally run whatever, it usually doesn't matter. Although you would spend a few more bucks out front, the Toyo RA1s would probably be your best local bet as they would last forever. Just get them shaved.
Nationally, a WRX can be very competitive and kick serious butt in ProSolos. You just have to use the 215/40/17 Hoosiers :)
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
Sorry I didnt mean they were the fastest I meant they were better then esctas thats it. But they do just fine for regionals.
| leecea | 03-04-2004 09:34 PM |
In this area (which incudes DC, NJ, PA) Andre Downey is the fastest DS WRX driver I've seen. If he's on this board, maybe he'll weigh in with some advice. He was so far ahead of me at a recent event that I thought it must be a timing error :confused:
| leecea | 03-04-2004 09:38 PM |
[QUOTE]He was so far ahead of me at a recent event that I thought it must be a timing error [/QUOTE]
In case that came across wrong, it was a compliment. I have no doubt that his time was real.
In case that came across wrong, it was a compliment. I have no doubt that his time was real.
| trhoppe | 03-04-2004 09:41 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by afpdl[/i]
[B] Sorry I didnt mean they were the fastest I meant they were better then esctas thats it. But they do just fine for regionals. [/B][/QUOTE]
Actually the V700s are a lot faster tire then the Victoracers ;)
-Tom
[B] Sorry I didnt mean they were the fastest I meant they were better then esctas thats it. But they do just fine for regionals. [/B][/QUOTE]
Actually the V700s are a lot faster tire then the Victoracers ;)
-Tom
| ChrisDP | 03-04-2004 09:57 PM |
At least at the DC Tour, Andre was running a BIG front bar (26mm I believe), Koni SAs and Kumhos. Not sure about the alignment, but it wasn't anything out of the ordinary DS setup.
| leecea | 03-04-2004 09:59 PM |
[QUOTE]it wasn't anything out of the ordinary DS setup.[/QUOTE]
Damn, that means it's just skill that I lack :(
Damn, that means it's just skill that I lack :(
| Eric1855 | 03-04-2004 10:09 PM |
Watch out for the new Mazdaspeed Proteges' as well.
They are OWNING DS around here, winning PAX in alot of cases too.
They are OWNING DS around here, winning PAX in alot of cases too.
| Scoobie Doogie | 03-05-2004 12:05 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by leecea [/i]
[B]Damn, that means it's just skill that I lack :( [/B][/QUOTE]
Hey! You can get help you know. I'll be instructing at the Susquehanna Region Autocross School. [url]http://www.scca-susq.com[/url]
I've done okay in the WRX in DS here in PA/NJ.
You can request me if you like. Corey, Dan and Tom know me and can let you know if I can help you.
Dave MacDougall
[B]Damn, that means it's just skill that I lack :( [/B][/QUOTE]
Hey! You can get help you know. I'll be instructing at the Susquehanna Region Autocross School. [url]http://www.scca-susq.com[/url]
I've done okay in the WRX in DS here in PA/NJ.
You can request me if you like. Corey, Dan and Tom know me and can let you know if I can help you.
Dave MacDougall
| DrBiggly | 03-05-2004 12:19 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Eric1855[/i]
[B] Watch out for the new Mazdaspeed Proteges' as well.
They are OWNING DS around here, winning PAX in alot of cases too. [/B][/QUOTE]
I've tossed one around on a course before (fun runs basically) and I thought it felt good and solid; it was bone stock. Has anyone prepped one for serious competition yet in DS?
[B] Watch out for the new Mazdaspeed Proteges' as well.
They are OWNING DS around here, winning PAX in alot of cases too. [/B][/QUOTE]
I've tossed one around on a course before (fun runs basically) and I thought it felt good and solid; it was bone stock. Has anyone prepped one for serious competition yet in DS?
| leecea | 03-05-2004 08:06 AM |
[QUOTE]Hey! You can get help you know. I'll be instructing at the Susquehanna Region Autocross School. [url]http://www.scca-susq.com[/url][/QUOTE]
Hi Dave,
Thanks for the offer, but I won't be able to make that event. I know I have lots to learn yet, but I'm actually pretty happy with the progress I've made recently, and really looking forward to this season.
Seeing others do well is good for me because it shows how much potential is left in the car. Sometimes all the hype about ITRs, 330s, etc makes me think that DS is pointless in a WRX, but I guess that's really only true at the top levels of the sport. Locally, and even regionally, you can be competitive and have tons of fun doing it!
Regards, Andy.
Hi Dave,
Thanks for the offer, but I won't be able to make that event. I know I have lots to learn yet, but I'm actually pretty happy with the progress I've made recently, and really looking forward to this season.
Seeing others do well is good for me because it shows how much potential is left in the car. Sometimes all the hype about ITRs, 330s, etc makes me think that DS is pointless in a WRX, but I guess that's really only true at the top levels of the sport. Locally, and even regionally, you can be competitive and have tons of fun doing it!
Regards, Andy.
| trhoppe | 03-05-2004 09:45 AM |
Andy, at the top level, the car can still win. You just need a very good driver in one with the right setup. All the TypeR and 330s that are winning are VERY well setup with lots of hours of testing driven by national champions. The WRX can compete with them no problem, and I think I've proven it ;)
-Tom
-Tom
| heffergm | 03-05-2004 10:02 AM |
Here's another question for you guys:
I've got a 2000 Honda S2000, as well as the 2003 WRX. The S2000 is bone stock, meaning I could run it in BS without having to touch it.
The WRX, on the other hand, has a short shifter and a larger hood scoop on it. From my understanding of the rules, neither is allowed in Stock. So I'd have to re-install my original shifter and scoop if I wanted to run it (legally) in DS.
I'm just debating which car I should go with... not a very relevant question, I know :)
I've got a 2000 Honda S2000, as well as the 2003 WRX. The S2000 is bone stock, meaning I could run it in BS without having to touch it.
The WRX, on the other hand, has a short shifter and a larger hood scoop on it. From my understanding of the rules, neither is allowed in Stock. So I'd have to re-install my original shifter and scoop if I wanted to run it (legally) in DS.
I'm just debating which car I should go with... not a very relevant question, I know :)
| trhoppe | 03-05-2004 10:12 AM |
S2000 would be a more fun autox car. The DS wrx w/o a good alingment and lots of toe out is almost painful to autox :lol:
-Tom
-Tom
| heffergm | 03-05-2004 10:14 AM |
I kind of figured (I mean... I do drive them both most days. It's not like I wasn't aware which one handled better ) :)
I just like the sound of WRX with the Prodrive exhaust so much !
I just like the sound of WRX with the Prodrive exhaust so much !
| Scoobie Doogie | 03-05-2004 10:20 AM |
Andy,
Tom Hoppe is the man to listen to as far as DS WRX's. I just used what he told me to.
Dave (hopes to drive like Tom and KC some day)
Tom Hoppe is the man to listen to as far as DS WRX's. I just used what he told me to.
Dave (hopes to drive like Tom and KC some day)
| jbrennen | 03-05-2004 03:49 PM |
In the WDCR events at FedEx Field, you will almost certainly need to run R compounds if you want a chance of being near the top of any class outside of the ST domain. The surface favors the R compounds, and the competition is usually pretty deep.
I ran 6 events at FedEx Field last year.
The first three were on the Evo's stock tires which are arguably as grippy as you'll find without "going R" ... I placed 3rd, 3rd, and 4th. In each case, I was the fastest non-R-compound car in A Stock, but not particularly close to the drivers ahead of me.
The last three events I ran on Hoosiers -- 1st, 1st, and 1st. And in two of those three events, I had codrivers who had faster times than I -- one codriver was running unofficial "fun runs" (and set an unofficial FSTD) and the other codriver won ESP. "It's gotta be the shoes..." :)
Let me second the recommendation that Tom gave for Toyo RA1 tires. At the final event of last year's WDCR SCCA season, a Honda S2000 on well-used Toyo RA1s set best PAX of the day. I haven't personally used the Toyos yet, but I intend to mount a set on my car this spring for street use, for autoXes at Rosecroft (another local venue -- very abrasive -- which absolutely eats up the softer R compounds), and for other non-competitive autoX events (test-and-tune, schools, etc.).
I ran 6 events at FedEx Field last year.
The first three were on the Evo's stock tires which are arguably as grippy as you'll find without "going R" ... I placed 3rd, 3rd, and 4th. In each case, I was the fastest non-R-compound car in A Stock, but not particularly close to the drivers ahead of me.
The last three events I ran on Hoosiers -- 1st, 1st, and 1st. And in two of those three events, I had codrivers who had faster times than I -- one codriver was running unofficial "fun runs" (and set an unofficial FSTD) and the other codriver won ESP. "It's gotta be the shoes..." :)
Let me second the recommendation that Tom gave for Toyo RA1 tires. At the final event of last year's WDCR SCCA season, a Honda S2000 on well-used Toyo RA1s set best PAX of the day. I haven't personally used the Toyos yet, but I intend to mount a set on my car this spring for street use, for autoXes at Rosecroft (another local venue -- very abrasive -- which absolutely eats up the softer R compounds), and for other non-competitive autoX events (test-and-tune, schools, etc.).
| Soon2BRex | 03-24-2004 09:20 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Eric1855 [/i]
[B]Watch out for the new Mazdaspeed Proteges' as well.
They are OWNING DS around here, winning PAX in alot of cases too. [/B][/QUOTE]
I think the SRT-4 is in DS as well. Does anyone think they can compete in stock form? Seems to me that having that much power at the front wheels only would be hard to handle.
[B]Watch out for the new Mazdaspeed Proteges' as well.
They are OWNING DS around here, winning PAX in alot of cases too. [/B][/QUOTE]
I think the SRT-4 is in DS as well. Does anyone think they can compete in stock form? Seems to me that having that much power at the front wheels only would be hard to handle.
| Eric1855 | 03-24-2004 09:23 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Soon2BRex [/i]
[B]I think the SRT-4 is in DS as well. Does anyone think they can compete in stock form? Seems to me that having that much power at the front wheels only would be hard to handle. [/B][/QUOTE]
from the ones I have seen here locally they have HUGE bodyroll in the stock form, and i dont think there is any DS legal mod for them to help that.
They have alot of power, but VERY nice power delivery downlow and could be a very formidable opponent with a good driver.
[B]I think the SRT-4 is in DS as well. Does anyone think they can compete in stock form? Seems to me that having that much power at the front wheels only would be hard to handle. [/B][/QUOTE]
from the ones I have seen here locally they have HUGE bodyroll in the stock form, and i dont think there is any DS legal mod for them to help that.
They have alot of power, but VERY nice power delivery downlow and could be a very formidable opponent with a good driver.
| afpdl | 03-24-2004 09:28 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Soon2BRex[/i]
[B] I think the SRT-4 is in DS as well. Does anyone think they can compete in stock form? Seems to me that having that much power at the front wheels only would be hard to handle. [/B][/QUOTE]
I believe Daddio will be campaing one this year so at least his will do well.
[B] I think the SRT-4 is in DS as well. Does anyone think they can compete in stock form? Seems to me that having that much power at the front wheels only would be hard to handle. [/B][/QUOTE]
I believe Daddio will be campaing one this year so at least his will do well.
| BSLICKOH | 03-25-2004 03:34 PM |
Late to this thread, but...
Get some tires, maybe an alignment, attend an Evolution school, and stop there for a year or two. After your driving skills are to a point where a 0.100-sec improvement can make a difference, then start working on the other mods.
I've run the last year and a half on Falkens. As soon as I got the Falkens, I went from being spanked routinely, to challenging for first in class. I was finally able to chase down an RSX on R-compounds, and managed to hold off a MSP on R-compounds until late last year. However, in one region I attend there is an ITR and an IS300, both on R-compounds, who continue to routinely spank me. Those guys are national-caliber drivers, though (and are part of the reason I switched to STX). I have also had the pleasure of being own3d by an MSP.
In another region, we had a driver who was routinely in the Top 5 with his Neon ACR, and he switched to an SRT-4. I beat him (pretty badly actually) and his R-compounds for a couple of events, but he was still learning the car. It was also clear that the lack of an LSD was really hurting him. He switched to another class, and I believe did one of the Mopar upgrades, and suddenly I wasn't anywhere near him anymore. That's the only SRT-4 I've seen, but as one article I read commented about all that power and no LSD: "the only people who will care about this are autocrossers."
Trust me, the Evolution school will do far more for your competitiveness than the Koni's will, and you'll spend far less for it. Plus, you get to keep your stock ride for the street. An alignment alone will make a huge difference on an 02, but I haven't found much reason to do it on my 04 yet. You can do brake pads if you want, but I personally don't miss the squeaking of my Hawks, nor the inordinate amounts of brake dust on the wheels. The stock brakes have more than adequate stopping power. K&N filter is pretty much a given, although I can't say how much it really does for you. I haven't bothered with roll bars or exhaust yet, and have won local events without them, so I'd say don't bother unless you are just jonesing for them for street use.
Get some tires, maybe an alignment, attend an Evolution school, and stop there for a year or two. After your driving skills are to a point where a 0.100-sec improvement can make a difference, then start working on the other mods.
I've run the last year and a half on Falkens. As soon as I got the Falkens, I went from being spanked routinely, to challenging for first in class. I was finally able to chase down an RSX on R-compounds, and managed to hold off a MSP on R-compounds until late last year. However, in one region I attend there is an ITR and an IS300, both on R-compounds, who continue to routinely spank me. Those guys are national-caliber drivers, though (and are part of the reason I switched to STX). I have also had the pleasure of being own3d by an MSP.
In another region, we had a driver who was routinely in the Top 5 with his Neon ACR, and he switched to an SRT-4. I beat him (pretty badly actually) and his R-compounds for a couple of events, but he was still learning the car. It was also clear that the lack of an LSD was really hurting him. He switched to another class, and I believe did one of the Mopar upgrades, and suddenly I wasn't anywhere near him anymore. That's the only SRT-4 I've seen, but as one article I read commented about all that power and no LSD: "the only people who will care about this are autocrossers."
Trust me, the Evolution school will do far more for your competitiveness than the Koni's will, and you'll spend far less for it. Plus, you get to keep your stock ride for the street. An alignment alone will make a huge difference on an 02, but I haven't found much reason to do it on my 04 yet. You can do brake pads if you want, but I personally don't miss the squeaking of my Hawks, nor the inordinate amounts of brake dust on the wheels. The stock brakes have more than adequate stopping power. K&N filter is pretty much a given, although I can't say how much it really does for you. I haven't bothered with roll bars or exhaust yet, and have won local events without them, so I'd say don't bother unless you are just jonesing for them for street use.
| DILLIGAF Racing | 03-25-2004 11:00 PM |
just curious and I am willing to bet they aren't legal, but what about seats? I'm not considering buckets, but a reclinable Sparco or Corbeau. Are these by any chance legal in Stock? I am tall, and would just like to get lower in the car.
| trhoppe | 03-25-2004 11:28 PM |
Nope.....Sorry
-Tom
-Tom
| afpdl | 03-26-2004 02:05 AM |
Stock allows tires, different offset and weight rims, struts, pads, fluid, and a cat back. I believe thats it.
| ChrisDP | 03-26-2004 02:51 AM |
joo forgot teh front swaybAr
| afpdl | 03-26-2004 02:54 AM |
Oh yeah. And Stereo/gauges
| leecea | 03-26-2004 08:17 AM |
[QUOTE]He switched to another class, and I believe did one of the Mopar upgrades, and suddenly I wasn't anywhere near him anymore[/QUOTE]
The "New Quaife Automatic Torque Biasing (ATB) differential" is standard on the 2004 SRT-4s, plus 250 ft/lb torque.
The "New Quaife Automatic Torque Biasing (ATB) differential" is standard on the 2004 SRT-4s, plus 250 ft/lb torque.
| ChrisDP | 03-26-2004 01:20 PM |
Yeah and um... expect Mark to do some cool things with the Neon shocks to make that car work. Nevermind the "alien" driving skillz.
| KC | 03-26-2004 01:34 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ChrisDP[/i]
[B] Yeah and um... expect Mark to do some cool things with the Neon shocks to make that car work. Nevermind the "alien" driving skillz. [/B][/QUOTE]
:lol: He drives a CM car a few times last year locally, does a national tour and maybe even a divisional, and wins CM at nats, after 2 weeks previously, winning Mazda Rev It Up nationals.
If I had 10% of his knowledge and capability I'd be a very happy person. His suspension knowledge alone... *shudder*
[B] Yeah and um... expect Mark to do some cool things with the Neon shocks to make that car work. Nevermind the "alien" driving skillz. [/B][/QUOTE]
:lol: He drives a CM car a few times last year locally, does a national tour and maybe even a divisional, and wins CM at nats, after 2 weeks previously, winning Mazda Rev It Up nationals.
If I had 10% of his knowledge and capability I'd be a very happy person. His suspension knowledge alone... *shudder*
| Silver Bullet 02 | 03-26-2004 02:25 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trhoppe [/i]
[B]Actually the V700s are a lot faster tire then the Victoracers ;)
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
Tom,
The GRM test last year showed that the Victoracers weren't that far off of the ECSTA's. In fact the fastest time of 20 runs on each tire came on the Victoracers. One driver was faster on the Victoracers and one was faster on the ECSTA's. I think the average time of the two drivers showed the ECSTA's being about 0.015 sec faster. Not much.
What are you basing your comment on? Also, what do you mean by "a lot"?
Thanks,
T
[B]Actually the V700s are a lot faster tire then the Victoracers ;)
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
Tom,
The GRM test last year showed that the Victoracers weren't that far off of the ECSTA's. In fact the fastest time of 20 runs on each tire came on the Victoracers. One driver was faster on the Victoracers and one was faster on the ECSTA's. I think the average time of the two drivers showed the ECSTA's being about 0.015 sec faster. Not much.
What are you basing your comment on? Also, what do you mean by "a lot"?
Thanks,
T
| ConeMasher | 03-26-2004 04:25 PM |
They're both V700s. Ecsta V700 and Victoracer V700.
Subies eat Ecstas. Perhaps they're a SMIDGE faster than Victoracers, but if you're that concerned with the last hundredth of a second, you should be on the Hoosiers anyway. The Victoracers last far longer especially on a camber challenged nose heavy car like the DS WRX.
The V710 might mix things up again, but it's not yet in the appropriate size. I haven't heard how the Hoosier A3S04 in 225/50ZR16 compares to the older A3S03 in 215/40ZR16.
-- Gary
Subies eat Ecstas. Perhaps they're a SMIDGE faster than Victoracers, but if you're that concerned with the last hundredth of a second, you should be on the Hoosiers anyway. The Victoracers last far longer especially on a camber challenged nose heavy car like the DS WRX.
The V710 might mix things up again, but it's not yet in the appropriate size. I haven't heard how the Hoosier A3S04 in 225/50ZR16 compares to the older A3S03 in 215/40ZR16.
-- Gary
| DILLIGAF Racing | 03-26-2004 11:27 PM |
What are people using for wheels in DS, just running the stockers?
| leecea | 03-27-2004 09:57 AM |
Yes, people run the stock wheels. I haven't seen any aftermarket wheels available in 16x6.5. The good news is that you can buy a set of used stock wheels at a very good price.
| BSLICKOH | 03-27-2004 10:03 AM |
Stock wheels. I found a guy on here who jumped to STX and wanted larger wheels. Sold me his stock wheels with a set of slightly used Falken Azenis for about $400. I think I would have paid more than that for new tires alone, and I got a 2nd set of wheels to boot. It was an awesome deal.
What leecea said....it's difficult to find aftermarket wheels in a stock-legal size.
What leecea said....it's difficult to find aftermarket wheels in a stock-legal size.
| DILLIGAF Racing | 03-27-2004 10:18 AM |
ok, its either get another set of stock size, or get another set of wheels for street and use stock for auto-x.
| trhoppe | 03-27-2004 11:44 AM |
Or you can get some kodiaks built :p
I used stock wheels as they are pretty light and very cheap. It was not worth $1200 to lose 2lbs a wheel.
-Tom
I used stock wheels as they are pretty light and very cheap. It was not worth $1200 to lose 2lbs a wheel.
-Tom
| tower210 | 03-27-2004 03:41 PM |
Tires - Not to ask the same question???
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I have read through this forum and just wanted to get a consensus wrap up. I did my first Auto-x in my stock wrx last weekend in D-stock. Finished 7 of 10 on RE-92s with no alignment. Looking for a good D-stock tire that will last me at least one season (I would prefer to get two).
Toyo RA-1's - good "hard" Race tire that will last a long time and be competitive locally if I am. $229 per tire???
Kumho Victoracer V700 - decent "hard" Race tire, but not as well suited to the heavy WRX.
Kumho V700 - better "soft" Race tire than the Victoracer, but shorter life. - $163 per tire shaved
Hoosier A3SO3 - best "soft" Race Tire - Expensive - but the uncontested best race tire - $180 per tire.
Yokohama A032R - No one has commented - $163 per tire
Looking at the prices - I wonder how long a set of Hoosers would last - not that much more than Kumho and definately less than the TOYO's.
Or as a Newbe to AutoX am I better off my first season running Escsta MX and learning. How many seconds different are good summer tires and R compounds? (.5 or 3???)
Appreciate input.
kk
Toyo RA-1's - good "hard" Race tire that will last a long time and be competitive locally if I am. $229 per tire???
Kumho Victoracer V700 - decent "hard" Race tire, but not as well suited to the heavy WRX.
Kumho V700 - better "soft" Race tire than the Victoracer, but shorter life. - $163 per tire shaved
Hoosier A3SO3 - best "soft" Race Tire - Expensive - but the uncontested best race tire - $180 per tire.
Yokohama A032R - No one has commented - $163 per tire
Looking at the prices - I wonder how long a set of Hoosers would last - not that much more than Kumho and definately less than the TOYO's.
Or as a Newbe to AutoX am I better off my first season running Escsta MX and learning. How many seconds different are good summer tires and R compounds? (.5 or 3???)
Appreciate input.
kk
| BSLICKOH | 03-27-2004 04:34 PM |
If you are that new, just overinflate your RE-92's and work on learning how to autocross. No, you won't be competitive right away, unless you are inherently gifted. If you have a burning need to get tires, get some Falken Azenis. They are around $110/tire. Use the savings to pay for an Evolution school.
I know I sound boring, but trust me...I bypassed a lot of desireable mods to remain stock legal, and spent a fair amount of money on legal mods. If I had it to do all over again, I never would have bought the KONI's, would have taken an Evolution school a long time ago, and purchased a set of for-autocross-only tires/wheels much sooner. Oh, and do the alignment right away if you have an 02/03. Sure, R-compounds will help you go faster, but so will the Falkens. You don't yet have the skills to truly utilize the R-compounds.
I know I sound boring, but trust me...I bypassed a lot of desireable mods to remain stock legal, and spent a fair amount of money on legal mods. If I had it to do all over again, I never would have bought the KONI's, would have taken an Evolution school a long time ago, and purchased a set of for-autocross-only tires/wheels much sooner. Oh, and do the alignment right away if you have an 02/03. Sure, R-compounds will help you go faster, but so will the Falkens. You don't yet have the skills to truly utilize the R-compounds.
| Zuffy | 03-27-2004 05:47 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trhoppe [/i]
[B]Or you can get some kodiaks built :p
I used stock wheels as they are pretty light and very cheap. It was not worth $1200 to lose 2lbs a wheel.
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
Hey Tom, I read about you in GRM. Congrats on the cool write up about you and your Scooby. I was wondering though, you were quoted to say "if the car is oversteering, give it some gas," which I understand, but "if the car is understeering, give it a lot of gas." Can you elaborate on this tip? In most cases when my car is understeering, like in a tight turn around I have to lift (I know, lose speed) to tighten the line.
[B]Or you can get some kodiaks built :p
I used stock wheels as they are pretty light and very cheap. It was not worth $1200 to lose 2lbs a wheel.
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
Hey Tom, I read about you in GRM. Congrats on the cool write up about you and your Scooby. I was wondering though, you were quoted to say "if the car is oversteering, give it some gas," which I understand, but "if the car is understeering, give it a lot of gas." Can you elaborate on this tip? In most cases when my car is understeering, like in a tight turn around I have to lift (I know, lose speed) to tighten the line.
| DELTA_Rotary | 03-30-2004 01:11 AM |
I second the notion on watching out for the MSPs in DS. I raced for the first time this past weekend in DS on victoracers. I didnt do terrible but 4 MSPs owned me pretty badly. I dont recall them being on R compound tires either. The DS winning MSP was actually faster than the street prep class winner the subie would run against :eek:
| buster | 04-06-2004 11:33 AM |
Curious, I am having this debate with a friend. I have a 3" catback and 04 USDM STI takeoffs, that is it. At the last event I was classed as DSS, shouldn't I still be in DS?
I run Kuhmo 712's, a dramatic improvement over the RE's. This was my 2nd event with the WRX and it felt really good. I was about .5-1sec off the pace of the class leader which I felt pretty good about. I found that in the tight stuff left foot braking helped a lot to aviod the dreaded bog. I also tried 45psi fr and 44psi rr for pressure (18degrees celsius and sunny) and I had little or no understeer and very little oversteer as well so I would think the car was setup pretty well.
I run Kuhmo 712's, a dramatic improvement over the RE's. This was my 2nd event with the WRX and it felt really good. I was about .5-1sec off the pace of the class leader which I felt pretty good about. I found that in the tight stuff left foot braking helped a lot to aviod the dreaded bog. I also tried 45psi fr and 44psi rr for pressure (18degrees celsius and sunny) and I had little or no understeer and very little oversteer as well so I would think the car was setup pretty well.
| KC | 04-06-2004 12:01 PM |
Don't know much about what they use for classing rules up in Canukistan, but in SCCA, you can't change the size of the wheel in DS unless it was a factory option.
--kC
--kC
| afpdl | 04-06-2004 12:02 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by buster[/i]
[B] Curious, I am having this debate with a friend. I have a 3" catback and 04 USDM STI takeoffs, that is it. At the last event I was classed as DSS, shouldn't I still be in DS?
I run Kuhmo 712's, a dramatic improvement over the RE's. This was my 2nd event with the WRX and it felt really good. I was about .5-1sec off the pace of the class leader which I felt pretty good about. I found that in the tight stuff left foot braking helped a lot to aviod the dreaded bog. I also tried 45psi fr and 44psi rr for pressure (18degrees celsius and sunny) and I had little or no understeer and very little oversteer as well so I would think the car was setup pretty well. [/B][/QUOTE] Are the take offs struts and springs or just struts?
[B] Curious, I am having this debate with a friend. I have a 3" catback and 04 USDM STI takeoffs, that is it. At the last event I was classed as DSS, shouldn't I still be in DS?
I run Kuhmo 712's, a dramatic improvement over the RE's. This was my 2nd event with the WRX and it felt really good. I was about .5-1sec off the pace of the class leader which I felt pretty good about. I found that in the tight stuff left foot braking helped a lot to aviod the dreaded bog. I also tried 45psi fr and 44psi rr for pressure (18degrees celsius and sunny) and I had little or no understeer and very little oversteer as well so I would think the car was setup pretty well. [/B][/QUOTE] Are the take offs struts and springs or just struts?
| KC | 04-06-2004 12:05 PM |
Oops, sorry, whenever I hear 'takeoffs' I think wheels and not struts.
--kC
--kC
| buster | 04-06-2004 12:13 PM |
Springs and struts. They are the stock pieces off a US 04 STI
| afpdl | 04-06-2004 12:27 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by buster[/i]
[B] Springs and struts. They are the stock pieces off a US 04 STI [/B][/QUOTE]
Then the car is not scca ds legal. You can only replace the struts.
[B] Springs and struts. They are the stock pieces off a US 04 STI [/B][/QUOTE]
Then the car is not scca ds legal. You can only replace the struts.
| buster | 04-06-2004 12:31 PM |
So the springs would be one point then and I would still be in DS?
| KC | 04-06-2004 12:36 PM |
We use differenet rules in the US for auto-x. It's not based on a point system. Not really knowing Canada's auto-x rules you go by and classing stucture I don't think many here can give you a definitive answer.
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