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1/22/05 Rallyx at Stafford Speedway, Stafford, CT part 1

moodyracing 12-10-2004 07:19 PM

1/22/05 Rallyx at Stafford Speedway, Stafford, CT
The first event of the 2005 NER RallyCross Championship will be on Saturday, January 22nd at Stafford Motor Speedway, in Stafford Springs, Connecticut. The parking lot is large and smooth, and with a little cooperation from Mother Nature, we should be on a long snow packed and groomed course. This would be a great opportunity for the solo and race folks to get out and get an off-season adrenaline fix! Entry form is posted at [url]http://www.geocities.com/rally-man/StaffordRxReg.html[/url] . More information, such as hotels and directions will be posted on the NER.org website within a couple of days, keep checking back for updates.

OK all you guys from Mass, RI and CT, heres your chance to get in a winter rallyx (read snowy fun) in your area. Sign up is above.
scottvw13 12-10-2004 09:56 PM

Sweet! I'll be there...
Imprezivblue 12-11-2004 02:17 PM

I'll be back at school in VA :-(
RoninSTI 12-11-2004 09:31 PM

I'm in!! I'll bring a bunch of my autox buddies with me
Apex Rex 12-11-2004 10:20 PM

I should be good to go! I get back to school right around then so I'll be ready to have some fun in the snow.


~Apex
JBlizzy 12-21-2004 02:46 AM

I'm down. Is there an entry feel or requirements? This should be awesome i tried to hit up some parking lots today but im not about to ruin my tranny on dry spots. Will it be rescheduled if theres no snow?
KC 12-21-2004 07:52 AM

Yes there is an entry fee (on the entry form) $60members, $70 non members. (Sent mine in yesterday)

I'm just hoping there'll be snow as that'll be much better. :)
TimStevens 12-21-2004 08:26 AM

I would LOVE to go, especially if there's snow... but $70 is hard to caugh up for a rallyX.
RS22b 12-21-2004 08:36 PM

i would be there if i didnt have to work. Oh well.

Billyqua
rally driven......................
KC 12-21-2004 09:09 PM

$60 for SCCA members.
TimStevens 12-21-2004 09:19 PM

As I was saying, $70 seems like a lot for a RallyX :)

-tim
(former SCCA member, now too old for SpeedFreakz)
RoninSTI 12-21-2004 09:25 PM

that does sound awfully steep, why the price tag of triple an autox?
TimStevens 12-22-2004 07:38 AM

I presume it has something to do with the grooming of the course? :confused: I don't know... the AMEC guys around here have a number of trucks that plow out a 1+ mile course on a lake, and IIRC it doesn't cost nearly that much for a day of ice racing... *shrug*
KC 12-22-2004 08:26 AM

I don't know why the cost is so high. Part of it might be the grooming as Tim said ( I know the Rally-X chair asked if someone in the area had access to a plow or company in that area a month or two ago).

Also, the facility might be a little more expensive... sites down in southern-ish New England to run a rally-x are VERY scarse.. actually this is the 1st Rally-X event I can think of that DIDN'T happen in VT, NH or ME... opening it up to those down here in Southern New England... and is VERY welcomed to have. (Just pray for snow). :D

I look at it this way... it's costs at least $20-$30 in gas alone to drive to where most Rally-Xes are.... I'm saving gas, but the event fee is up... so to me and many of us from this area, it's a wash. We'd spend that $$ or more to attend an event up north.

--kC
TimStevens 12-22-2004 08:40 AM

Well, this would be $20-$30 in gas for me to get there, plus the $70 x2 (me and the wife)...

But, this does sound like a lot of fun, so who knows :D
Pete 97 GS-T 12-22-2004 12:40 PM

[QUOTE=TimStevens]Well, this would be $20-$30 in gas for me to get there, plus the $70 x2 (me and the wife)...

But, this does sound like a lot of fun, so who knows :D[/QUOTE]

Go Go Go!

Pete
[url]www.onalimbracing.com[/url]
KC 12-22-2004 01:05 PM

[QUOTE=TimStevens]Well, this would be $20-$30 in gas for me to get there, plus the $70 x2 (me and the wife)...

But, this does sound like a lot of fun, so who knows :D[/QUOTE]
Don't make me twist your arm or anything...

[IMG]http://63.192.157.117/Current/News/02/07/photo/0721spts.jpg[/IMG]
TimStevens 12-22-2004 02:44 PM

I'm thinking this Feb's ice racing that'll be a whopping 2 miles from my house and much cheaper will likely keep me satisfied :)
RoninSTI 12-23-2004 01:58 AM

eh you know what, who cares...its been months since the last autox and its time to go for a rip!! 60 is worth it if its gonna be a great time.

KC you gonna run the rx8?
Apex Rex 12-23-2004 02:09 AM

I dont know about you guys, but Auto-X is like crack....

I'll pay $60 or $70 for a hit between seasons :lol:
KC 12-23-2004 07:44 AM

[QUOTE=RoninSTI]eh you know what, who cares...its been months since the last autox and its time to go for a rip!! 60 is worth it if its gonna be a great time.

KC you gonna run the rx8?[/QUOTE]
Nope, I got a ride in someone's STi. :devil:

And you're right about the time off between auto-x season... Rally-X on snow and ice racing really helps you get a feel for when the car goes out from under you how to recover it. Just on pavement, you need to be much quicker. :D

--kC
Pete 97 GS-T 12-23-2004 04:37 PM

I got my new toy. I will be there with it.

[IMG]http://gallery.onalimbracing.com/albums/stuff/theshiz3.jpg[/IMG]

Pete
[url]www.onalimbracing.com[/url]
jut60 12-23-2004 05:07 PM

sounds like fun, i may have to drive the 3 miles to it, but $70 is a bit $$
RoninSTI 12-28-2004 08:47 PM

[QUOTE=Pete 97 GS-T]I got my new toy. I will be there with it.


Pete
[url]www.onalimbracing.com[/url][/QUOTE]

ooooooo is that the 100-400L IS?

I've used my friends (jpsimon) wonderful lens. What camera do you use? I will be there with my drebel!

**edit** just looked at the pic again and i think the box reads 70-200, if so thats the lens I plan on getting.
PeterJ 12-28-2004 10:31 PM

For a $70 non-member price, I hope they are offering many runs (5+) and that lot better be huge :lol: Ive had to cut back on my rally crosses to only include the really good ones because of the high costs/low run counts. I'd rather pay an $80 traffic ticket once a year (unlimited runs anytime/anywhere I want :devil: ), than $50+ for 3 runs at an organised event.

I think NER needs to re-evaluate how much they charge organizers to run an event. Non-NER Ice racing and autocross is $20 or $25; Im not sure exactly where the money is going other than insurance and site maintenance (although a few times they actually had prize money and that was cool). Does anyone know where else the money goes?

Anyway, If you guys get more info on the location, event layout, and organiser(s) please post it up; I think you may need to "sell" this one a little. At least to me anyway :p
Got Pink? 12-29-2004 12:42 AM

I am considering it too but $60 plus at least 40 in gas is a bit steep if we don't get at least five runs.

Any word on the number of runs??
moodyracing 12-29-2004 06:06 AM

Hey all,

This site costs us more than some of the others, so the entry fee is up. Our chairman, Scott Beliveau, does his best to find us sites to run that have a price tag with in reason. (He tried the Tweater Center, 5k to rent a parking lot for the day=Cost prohibitive) Stafford Speedway, check it out on the web, is letting us use their parking lot. The organizers and hosts for this even are Chris and Elizabeth Regan from Dayville, CT.

Rallyx sites do tend to come with a bigger price tag. After all, unlike autox, with rallyx are tearing the crap out of someones dirt parking lot/field and they will have to repair it when we are done. Runs are also fewer because of having to fix the "ruts" after us 4wd folks make our runs.

We live in Maine and are headed down to race, regardless of the price. (Both the hubby and I have cars so the cost is twice as much.)

If the price is too steep feel free to bring a helmet and ask to ride shotgun with someone with an empty seat. It's not the same as driving, but still tons of fun and free! Although you might get put to work!

Racing is racing boys and we all must get our fix. Don't let the number of runs/costs scare you away.

Kathy
moodyracing 12-29-2004 06:13 AM

[QUOTE=Got Pink?]I am considering it too but $60 plus at least 40 in gas is a bit steep if we don't get at least five runs.

Any word on the number of runs??[/QUOTE]

We have been getting 5-7 runs in each event. Alot depends on how the course holds up, how quickly folks get out to their worker positions and how many cars show. No promises, but the last few events, we have had time to run a "super special" for a last run. Scott will set the course up so there is a change over and you actually get in a really long last run. Of course daylight this time of year effects things.

Also, if you are going, pre-register, PLEASE, having a lot of "showup" registrations gets us started later in the morning, also effecting number of runs. You WILL get your money back if you pre-reg and can't attend. Full refunds, so PLEASE PRE-REGISTER.

Kathy
KC 12-29-2004 08:02 AM

[QUOTE=PeterJ]I think NER needs to re-evaluate how much they charge organizers to run an event. Non-NER Ice racing and autocross is $20 or $25; Im not sure exactly where the money is going other than insurance and site maintenance (although a few times they actually had prize money and that was cool). Does anyone know where else the money goes?[/QUOTE]

Last year, NER ate the increase for Devens when they raised their prices. This year, Devens is raising the rates again, AND SCCA HQ has effectively raised insurance. There used to be a cap on max $$ sent in as long as you had X entries. Now, they removed the cap so there's no more economies of scale. So that means say the cap used to be $600/event....($6/car) for insurance if you had 100 Cars, it was $600. If you had 150 cars, it was still $600. This allowed to have more cars, and kept entry prices low for the events because the $$ saved was put towards keeping the entry cost lower. (Rainy days were almost a negative cash flow)

Now, there's no limit, meaning, you pay a fee for each car. If you have 100 cars you pay the hypothetical $700 (They increased it by $1.00 this year). And now with the removed limit, if you have 150, $1050. So no more passing the savings on to members by decreased entry fees. Not only NER here folks.. this is anyone who races under the SCCA Insurance in the country.

Couple that with the increase at Devens and you can see why NER NEEDS more sites.

Why is this? (From the SCCA Re News)
[QUOTE]These increases reflect the significant premium increases received
from SCCA�s insurance carrier as a result of the serious general
liability losses incurred by the now-discontinued performance
rally program.[/QUOTE]

It's not only Solo that was affected, but all programs.

--kC
Porsche914boxer4 12-29-2004 11:54 AM

shouldn't this be in the regional forum anyway?
KC 12-29-2004 12:21 PM

[QUOTE=Porsche914boxer4]shouldn't this be in the regional forum anyway?[/QUOTE]
As much as any other events (*cough* stickyed ones *cough*) should be. ;)

CT is central to NE and Tri state and sometimes some people choose to come from beyond there. Since this site is very draconian against 'Cross posting'... this does seem like the better forum for it with a wider reach. ;)

--kC
PeterJ 12-29-2004 05:57 PM

That was some good info KC. Maybe I should start PCCA (Pete's Car Club of America) and make it [B]free[/B] to race, $20 to spectate, $5 a beer. I guess it comes down to the SCCA's business model. Oh well, maybe for the higher price tag, the organizers will let participants have more influence on course design/length.

I think that the "money back if you cant attend" preregistration is a [B]great[/B] idea! Im all about incentives; having a better idea on maximum possible attendance prior to the event is a huge benefit to everyone attending. I hope that this info is used to its maximum potential. Youve got me sold on that one. :disco:
Pete 97 GS-T 01-01-2005 09:47 PM

Is this still going on if there is a lack of snow?

Pete
[url]www.onalimbracing.com[/url]
PeterJ 01-02-2005 01:43 AM

I hope so! We still have 2 weeks, so there might be at least some. It will probably be [I]really[/I] cold though. Who knows, maybe frozen gravel would be fun too :D
moodyracing 01-02-2005 05:11 PM

[QUOTE=Pete 97 GS-T]Is this still going on if there is a lack of snow?

Pete
[url]www.onalimbracing.com[/url][/QUOTE]

Yes, Yes it is. Snow, mud, frozen gravel, we shall be racin'.
PeterJ 01-03-2005 12:47 PM

Hi, I have the link to some areal photos of the site, but there are a few different gravel lots, can you point out which one we will be using? [url]http://staffordmotorspeedway.com/Pages/About%20The%20Track/AerialPhotosPage.htm[/url]
AutoXchick 01-04-2005 11:28 AM

I'm tempted to check this out... I am assumign the rules and regs are the same as that in an Autocross? Can I run my Miata? Or would I be better off in the Forester? Can I just show up to check it out and watch for a bit? We don't get a whole lot of these in CT, I'm a total noob. Thanks! :)
subarurabbit 01-04-2005 01:16 PM

car needs a solid top to run.

spectators are welcome.
AutoXchick 01-04-2005 04:44 PM

SO by solid top - I am assuming that that means if I can procure a hardtop for the day, I am welcome in the Miata? Hmm.. I may just come to watch, but its tempting to try to drive it.
TimStevens 01-04-2005 05:14 PM

If there are any chances of the course getting rutted up I don't think I'd want to be in a miata at a RallyX... I don't know how much ground clearance there is, but it can't be much!
moodyracing 01-04-2005 08:52 PM

I'd go with the forester if there is no snow and the ground is soft, it does get rutted up. Specators are very welcome and like I've said bring a helmet and you could probably ride shotgun with someone.

PeterJ: We will be using the dirt lot to the right of the track when you come
in the main parking entrance behind the restaurant and track buildings.

Kathy
PeterJ 01-04-2005 09:08 PM

If the rules allow, you [I]could[/I] run a miata, but I'd bet that it wouldnt survive. I asked about the site location because my friend went there recently for an event and said that the parking lot had lots of potholes. Most rally crosses are pretty rough by days end, so I wouldnt suggest using such a low car.
subarurabbit 01-04-2005 09:59 PM

fron the NER websiste:
[font=Arial, Helvetica][size=4]
You can drive your own car ! Most contestants drive their daily car. The car must be mechanically sound and have working seat belts and a hard top. All loose items from the interior and trunk need to be removed for safety reasons. Entrants must have a Snell 90 or newer helmet. There are different classes, based on the car and improvements, if any.
The classes are production and modified, in both 2 wheel drive and 4 wheel drive groups.

[/size][/font][QUOTE=AutoXchick]SO by solid top - I am assuming that that means if I can procure a hardtop for the day, I am welcome in the Miata? Hmm.. I may just come to watch, but its tempting to try to drive it.[/QUOTE]
I do remember a jeep running at at least one event.
moodyracing 01-05-2005 06:25 AM

Scott would probably let the miata run if it were wearing it's hard top. But, depending on the course, and we have never run at this site so alot is unknown, the miata could take a good beating. Would be fun to watch it run tho :devil:
AutoXchick 01-05-2005 08:54 AM

Hmmm... I wasn't thinking about a rutted and potholed course. I don't think I want to chance it with a lowered Miata. :) I think I'd run the Forester, or the hmmm, probably old '91 Loyale. As it stands right now, I am definately planning to at least come by and watch. I might have missed this in my reading here, but if I wanted to run, what time would I have to be there? Sorry for all the stupid questions, but like I said before, rallyX is a totally noob thing for me. Thanks!
subarurabbit 01-05-2005 09:52 AM

7 am is when registration starts. you might want to pregister first and save $10.
runholden 01-06-2005 10:19 AM

[QUOTE=AutoXchick]Hmmm... I wasn't thinking about a rutted and potholed course. I don't think I want to chance it with a lowered Miata. :) I think I'd run the Forester, or the hmmm, probably old '91 Loyale. As it stands right now, I am definately planning to at least come by and watch. I might have missed this in my reading here, but if I wanted to run, what time would I have to be there? Sorry for all the stupid questions, but like I said before, rallyX is a totally noob thing for me. Thanks![/QUOTE]

No such thing as a stupid question! I would second...or third...pre-registering as it does save you money AND helps to get the show on the road more quickly in the morning.
And "watching" often leads to driving the next event! :)
AutoXchick 01-06-2005 11:54 AM

Well, I am leaning towards watching this event, but what are the odds of another event coming to CT? If I sit this one out, will I regret it?
AngryBlueRS 01-07-2005 05:43 AM

[QUOTE=AutoXchick]Well, I am leaning towards watching this event, but what are the odds of another event coming to CT? If I sit this one out, will I regret it?[/QUOTE]

Hard to say. I know the rally board is looking to do a few more "southern events" so its geographically easier for more people to participate. Its hard finding sites down south that are reasonable in cost however (for all the reasons Kathy mentioned). We'll have to see how it plays out.

Chris
AngryBlueRS 01-10-2005 09:57 AM

Bump to the top as pre-reg ends soon.
moodyracing 01-11-2005 06:38 AM

Pre-registration discount ends soon. If you are thinking of runnnig please pre-register. [url]http://www.geocities.com/rally-man/StaffordRxReg.html[/url]

Spectators welcome but try to arrive by 8:00-8:30.

Look forward to seeing some new folks.

K
AngryBlueRS 01-11-2005 06:57 AM

[QUOTE=moodyracing]Spectators welcome but try to arrive by 8:00-8:30.[/QUOTE]

Especially if you want to ride in someone's passenger seat. If you don't sign the waiver, you can't go for a ride.

Chris
moodyracing 01-13-2005 02:25 PM

Registration form [url]http://www.geocities.com/rally-man/StaffordRxReg.html[/url]
Chris N 01-15-2005 10:13 PM

Have some fun on the glazed surface folks! :devil: I'm gonna regret missing this one.
akuhner 01-16-2005 11:23 AM

[QUOTE=moodyracing]Spectators welcome but try to arrive by 8:00-8:30.
[/QUOTE]
Why? My spectators (parents who have never seen me rally-x) won't be awake at 8am, they'll be getting there probably around 11am or so. I'll make sure they sign the waiver as soon as they get then, but the waiver needs to be available then because asking specators to get there early is strange.

I guess I'll register in a minute. :)

Alex
moodyracing 01-16-2005 01:59 PM

[QUOTE=Car #187]Why? My spectators (parents who have never seen me rally-x) won't be awake at 8am, they'll be getting there probably around 11am or so. I'll make sure they sign the waiver as soon as they get then, but the waiver needs to be available then because asking specators to get there early is strange.

I guess I'll register in a minute. :)

Alex[/QUOTE]

It might seems strange, but because our "registrar" is usually a driver, we don't alway have a person available to sign up spectators that arrive after start.

It isn't a huge problem, just be sure they are careful when they come in. I am not sure of the layout we will be using at this venue, so they want to be carefull they don't go onto the course and not get in the way in the pits.

I, Kathy, will be working registration along with the organizers wife, Elizabeth, so when you get there, be sure to let us know that you have spectators coming in late and we will be sure to leave a waiver form at the trailer for them to sign. I only ask that you seek out one of us when they get there so we can say we saw them sign. (SCCA is getting sticky about the waiver form :rolleyes: )

Remember, your spectators can ride with you if they have a helmet and have signed the waiver.

Look forward to meeting you and see you there.

Kathy
akuhner 01-16-2005 10:26 PM

[QUOTE=moodyracing]It might seems strange, but because our "registrar" is usually a driver, we don't alway have a person available to sign up spectators that arrive after start.

It isn't a huge problem, just be sure they are careful when they come in. I am not sure of the layout we will be using at this venue, so they want to be carefull they don't go onto the course and not get in the way in the pits.
[/QUOTE]
How about this - knowing that the registrar is racing too, all of us running who have spectators coming should take personal responsibility for finding the waiver and getting them all signed up. At the driver's meeting you can tell us where it will be kept and remind everyone to try and get their guests signed up and let one of you see it.

SCCA now wants an organizer to see everyone sign? What if you assign waiver collections as a worker position like some other regions might do? At RPNE they even pay a local to sit at the gate and collect signatures, I hope that would suffice for the SCCA lawyers!

If the temp stays down I can't imagine there being too many spectators, but I don't see my parents often so I know they'll make the effort.

Thanks!

Alex
Bonjo2 01-17-2005 12:10 AM

Any course maps?

I stopped by on my way home the other day. It doesn't appear the course will be that long or require a co-driver. How long are the runs usually? I only hope the course doesn't double back on itself too much.

I can't wait.
AngryBlueRS 01-17-2005 07:23 AM

Car #187: If someone has signed the waiver, they'll be wearing a wristband. I agree if we all check for a wristband before letting people into the passenger seat, things will run much smoother. I'll make sure a waiver is always available over by the timing truck, so just direct people there.

Bonjo2: No course maps as the course will change a few times over the day. This is done partially to mix things up and partially to keep the track from rutting up. Changing the lines means you have to get it right the first time as each run counts towards your score.

Also, "co-driver" in RallyX means "someone else who is driving your car". For example I'll be going out to do a lap and then I'll be letting KC run a lap in my car. "Passenger" is someone that is just along for the ride to see how much fun they could be having if they signed up to run. ;)

All: If you show up to spectate, bring a radio. We broadcast the progress of the event via FM. Not sure what station it will be yet as I'm not sure what is free on the band in that area. Its usually somewhere between 89-92. The exact frequency will be announced at the driver's meeting.

T-5 days and counting!
Chris
Pete 97 GS-T 01-17-2005 12:08 PM

Looks like there'll be [I]some[/I] snow on the ground for the race?

Pete
[url]www.onalimbracing.com[/url]

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