| Crawford/I-Speed | 11-11-2005 10:55 PM |
2004 STi @ Time Attack
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I'll preface this as sort of a double post because there may be two conversations; One: the Motor Sports conversation and Two, the 2.5L powertrain conversation.
Congratulations go out to Dr. Russ Warr on his stellar performance at the Super Street/ Euro Tuner TIME ATTACK this past Tues. Nov 8th:D
[IMG]http://www.i-speed.us/images/time_attack/Russ_Time_Attack.jpg[/IMG]
The commentary:
Russ, driving his personal 2004 STi (blueprinted 2.5L from Crawford Performance, an I-Speed Ecutek re-flash, 104 Octane, DMS 50's, FMIC from M1, a GT32+ turbo, and Brembo's), seemed to be grabbing quite a bit of attention from the get go. Unfortunately, this sort of attention does not come without a few critics. It seems that the Russ's tire selection (Kuhmo V710s), previously approved by the event organizers, was not permitted to run in the Limited Class. As such, Russ's full street car, weighing in at 3447lbs (driver included), was moved into the Unlimited Class. Imagine that, a genuine street car ; Full interior trim with two 8" JL audios speaker box , twin 110Watt amps, and fully operational A/C...running around the track amongst fully built race cars WITH professional drivers, like Tarzan Yamada! Funny and cool this may all sound, Russ was all about driving his car and he did. Actually he was able to churn out the fastest Subaru lap time of the day!
Kudos go out to Dr. Warr, excellent driving, Crawford Performance/I-Speed and the rest of the team for engineering and tuning such an incredibly competitive and reliable car.
Some Data:
Practice Session
[IMG]http://www.i-speed.us/images/time_attack/Time_Attack_Practice.jpg[/IMG]
First two sessions (there were four sessions total)
[IMG]http://www.i-speed.us/images/time_attack/Time_Attack_Sessions.jpg[/IMG]
Other mentionable cars: The Rays S2000 and M3...WOW Slick rides, the wickedly fast Chevy Cobalt, LOADS of EVOs, and of course Phil from Element Tuning's personal car driven by Gary Sheehan. Phil's Subaru seemed to be doing fairly well in the first two sessions and started posting some good times. We are not sure exactly how they did. In any case, hope the guys at Element Tuning had fun. Congrats and kudos go out to them especially for making that long haul from the east cost to help represent the Subaru Community!
Be sure to be on the look out for more TIME ATTACK '05 information from Super Street and Eurotuner!
I-Speed USA
ps. No one know why Russ doesn't lighten up his car. He could lose 300lbs and run 116 and then that car should be even FASTER...still not as fast as that Cobalt though...damn that car was fast :eek:
Congratulations go out to Dr. Russ Warr on his stellar performance at the Super Street/ Euro Tuner TIME ATTACK this past Tues. Nov 8th:D
[IMG]http://www.i-speed.us/images/time_attack/Russ_Time_Attack.jpg[/IMG]
The commentary:
Russ, driving his personal 2004 STi (blueprinted 2.5L from Crawford Performance, an I-Speed Ecutek re-flash, 104 Octane, DMS 50's, FMIC from M1, a GT32+ turbo, and Brembo's), seemed to be grabbing quite a bit of attention from the get go. Unfortunately, this sort of attention does not come without a few critics. It seems that the Russ's tire selection (Kuhmo V710s), previously approved by the event organizers, was not permitted to run in the Limited Class. As such, Russ's full street car, weighing in at 3447lbs (driver included), was moved into the Unlimited Class. Imagine that, a genuine street car ; Full interior trim with two 8" JL audios speaker box , twin 110Watt amps, and fully operational A/C...running around the track amongst fully built race cars WITH professional drivers, like Tarzan Yamada! Funny and cool this may all sound, Russ was all about driving his car and he did. Actually he was able to churn out the fastest Subaru lap time of the day!
Kudos go out to Dr. Warr, excellent driving, Crawford Performance/I-Speed and the rest of the team for engineering and tuning such an incredibly competitive and reliable car.
Some Data:
Practice Session
[IMG]http://www.i-speed.us/images/time_attack/Time_Attack_Practice.jpg[/IMG]
First two sessions (there were four sessions total)
[IMG]http://www.i-speed.us/images/time_attack/Time_Attack_Sessions.jpg[/IMG]
Other mentionable cars: The Rays S2000 and M3...WOW Slick rides, the wickedly fast Chevy Cobalt, LOADS of EVOs, and of course Phil from Element Tuning's personal car driven by Gary Sheehan. Phil's Subaru seemed to be doing fairly well in the first two sessions and started posting some good times. We are not sure exactly how they did. In any case, hope the guys at Element Tuning had fun. Congrats and kudos go out to them especially for making that long haul from the east cost to help represent the Subaru Community!
Be sure to be on the look out for more TIME ATTACK '05 information from Super Street and Eurotuner!
I-Speed USA
ps. No one know why Russ doesn't lighten up his car. He could lose 300lbs and run 116 and then that car should be even FASTER...still not as fast as that Cobalt though...damn that car was fast :eek:
| 48mpg | 11-11-2005 11:09 PM |
run it like ya brung it,
a big :banana: for that, and for basically saying i'm gonna drive no matter what class you put me in :banana:
a big :banana: for that, and for basically saying i'm gonna drive no matter what class you put me in :banana:
| mpj_becks | 11-11-2005 11:09 PM |
Congrats! 1:58's at that track at full weight is moving!
| the_colombian | 11-11-2005 11:14 PM |
man, thats awesome.
Congrats to Russ. I see he re-did all his stickers and stuff. Looks better like that.
Congrats to Russ. I see he re-did all his stickers and stuff. Looks better like that.
| Evil STI | 11-11-2005 11:47 PM |
You guys were 7 seconds slower than a Chevy Cobalt, LOL!!
Just kidding. I'm sure it was an all out racecar.
Good stuff though and way to represent the STI. I would love to take part in an event like this one day.
Just kidding. I'm sure it was an all out racecar.
Good stuff though and way to represent the STI. I would love to take part in an event like this one day.
| sleepy98 | 11-11-2005 11:51 PM |
Way to represent!
Any Vids?
Mike
Any Vids?
Mike
| bboy | 11-12-2005 01:06 AM |
I heard about the tire fiasco. I know in previous years they let you run with any tire, but they insisted on "street" tires this year.
I think you did great!!! 1:59 on that track is excellent!!! You should be very proud. :banana:
I think you did great!!! 1:59 on that track is excellent!!! You should be very proud. :banana:
| Evil STI | 11-12-2005 01:12 AM |
More pics please!!!
| GeorgeRex | 11-12-2005 06:07 AM |
[QUOTE=I-Speed USA]
Kudos go out to Dr. Warr, excellent driving, Crawford Performance/[b]I-Speed[/b] and the rest of the team for engineering and tuning such an incredibly competitive and reliable...[/QUOTE]
I know this is essentially a PR but it's pretty bad form to kudo yourself. If you want to thank your employees, thank them by name.
Kudos go out to Dr. Warr, excellent driving, Crawford Performance/[b]I-Speed[/b] and the rest of the team for engineering and tuning such an incredibly competitive and reliable...[/QUOTE]
I know this is essentially a PR but it's pretty bad form to kudo yourself. If you want to thank your employees, thank them by name.
| SilverSurfer04STi | 11-12-2005 08:28 AM |
I love the fact this event has been created. I wish time attack had a bigger following/push here in the US.
Congrats on the performance. Looks like that car performed very well considering the low level of modification it was at and comparing that to the other cars.
Congrats on the performance. Looks like that car performed very well considering the low level of modification it was at and comparing that to the other cars.
| MARKGSTI | 11-12-2005 10:14 AM |
Good job :)...Way to show what a street driven Subaru can do...kickin some arse.
The $$$ put into R&D by GM seems to be paying off.
The $$$ put into R&D by GM seems to be paying off.
| dwx | 11-12-2005 11:04 AM |
It goes to show what an engineered race car can do against "tuners" so to speak. I can't imagine if they say had a Z06 or something they built to compete in this competition.
Great job on the times.
Great job on the times.
| Crawford Performance | 11-12-2005 11:57 AM |
Thanks guys,
The doc is one hellofa driver also :)
Quirt Crawford
The doc is one hellofa driver also :)
Quirt Crawford
| kennyvb | 11-12-2005 12:37 PM |
In other words, I-Speed and Crawford are awesome [SIZE=1][COLOR=SlateGray](according to I-Speed and Crawford)[/COLOR][/SIZE].
| sleepy98 | 11-12-2005 12:47 PM |
[QUOTE=kennyvb]In other words, I-Speed and Crawford are awesome [SIZE=1][COLOR=SlateGray](according to I-Speed and Crawford)[/COLOR][/SIZE].[/QUOTE]
I think it more than just those two that make a car go fast. It's about the "complete" package, as indicated by the lap times.
I wonder what times Gary Sheehan would have done in that car? :)
Mike
I think it more than just those two that make a car go fast. It's about the "complete" package, as indicated by the lap times.
I wonder what times Gary Sheehan would have done in that car? :)
Mike
| sleepy98 | 11-12-2005 01:28 PM |
I found a link (courtesy of mnavrro... thanks) about the Time Attack unlimted Cobalt....DAMN...2350 lbs :eek:
[url]http://www.tuningnews.net/news/051102/chevrolet-cobalt-sema2005.php[/url]
Mike
[url]http://www.tuningnews.net/news/051102/chevrolet-cobalt-sema2005.php[/url]
Mike
| jrerin | 11-14-2005 11:27 AM |
A big thanks to all.....
Crawford, I -Speed, Brembo, NGK ,Kumho Tires, ECUTEK, DMS, M1 DEVELOPMENT AND FABRICATION, Rays Wheels and many more.... We have worked hard on this car for the past 18 months. This is a true street car and we have had a lot of fun with it.... It is the whole package as stated B4. This is a car that can give a run to pretty much any other car that is not a race car. This past weekend we wound up winning the NASA Southern California Time Trial A class championship. This make it 2 years in a row that we have taken the title. If all goes well this car will be retired by the end of the year and the STI race car will hit the track. This will be a full race car and should get the job done in both Super Unlimited and the time trial unlimited class in the NASA series.
Again thanks to everyone for the help and I am glad that we were able to turn some heads this year..... Next year should be fun as well.....
Russ Warr
66 TTA
P.S. look for a complete car listing in the so cal for sale section in December as I am selling the car...... the wife has spoken.......1 race car will be enough!!!! :banana:
Crawford, I -Speed, Brembo, NGK ,Kumho Tires, ECUTEK, DMS, M1 DEVELOPMENT AND FABRICATION, Rays Wheels and many more.... We have worked hard on this car for the past 18 months. This is a true street car and we have had a lot of fun with it.... It is the whole package as stated B4. This is a car that can give a run to pretty much any other car that is not a race car. This past weekend we wound up winning the NASA Southern California Time Trial A class championship. This make it 2 years in a row that we have taken the title. If all goes well this car will be retired by the end of the year and the STI race car will hit the track. This will be a full race car and should get the job done in both Super Unlimited and the time trial unlimited class in the NASA series.
Again thanks to everyone for the help and I am glad that we were able to turn some heads this year..... Next year should be fun as well.....
Russ Warr
66 TTA
P.S. look for a complete car listing in the so cal for sale section in December as I am selling the car...... the wife has spoken.......1 race car will be enough!!!! :banana:
| DISCOPOPE | 11-14-2005 03:16 PM |
man, too bad about the tire issue.
couldn't you borrow someone's stockers?
:)
good show.
couldn't you borrow someone's stockers?
:)
good show.
| midnightsti | 11-14-2005 05:05 PM |
Thats the sti that was at Sema with the M1 top mount oil cooler, where can I get that?
| Crawford Performance | 11-14-2005 07:17 PM |
[QUOTE=midnightsti]Thats the sti that was at Sema with the M1 top mount oil cooler, where can I get that?[/QUOTE]
PM jrerin and he can give you the number for Mack at M1
Quirt Crawford
PM jrerin and he can give you the number for Mack at M1
Quirt Crawford
| jrerin | 11-14-2005 08:21 PM |
After we found out about the bump in class I personaly went around the pitts looking for tires. The tire shop at the track only had 335's I wish but no way will it fit!!!! the EVO guys that had 18's are on the 5 X 114 bolt pattern and the 04 is 5 X 100 so that would not work as well. The rep from TOYO even helped me look and offered to mount and balance the tires and it ended up that we were SOL..... Next year will be a different story......
You can contact MACK at M1 at 714-797-8380 he also has a rear diff cover under chassie support bracket and harness bar as well as the oil cooler and other cool fab related stuff.
Russ
You can contact MACK at M1 at 714-797-8380 he also has a rear diff cover under chassie support bracket and harness bar as well as the oil cooler and other cool fab related stuff.
Russ
| Crawford/I-Speed | 11-14-2005 09:49 PM |
Thank you Russ:)
[QUOTE=Evil STI]More pics please!!![/QUOTE]
Here are a few.
[url]http://www.i-speed.us/race_results/db_imgview.cgi?linkID=4[/url]
Chris
I-Speed USA
[QUOTE=Evil STI]More pics please!!![/QUOTE]
Here are a few.
[url]http://www.i-speed.us/race_results/db_imgview.cgi?linkID=4[/url]
Chris
I-Speed USA
| SilverSurfer04STi | 11-14-2005 10:48 PM |
[QUOTE=jrerin]
P.S. look for a complete car listing in the so cal for sale section in December as I am selling the car...... the wife has spoken.......1 race car will be enough!!!! :banana:[/QUOTE]
So how much you selling the car for Russ??? :D
P.S. look for a complete car listing in the so cal for sale section in December as I am selling the car...... the wife has spoken.......1 race car will be enough!!!! :banana:[/QUOTE]
So how much you selling the car for Russ??? :D
| slingshot | 11-14-2005 11:27 PM |
Please tell me that's not a J-body in first place...
| scoopy100 | 11-15-2005 10:37 AM |
congratulations to Dr Russ and all his sponsers, They did one hell of a job and did the subaru community credit.
| jrerin | 11-15-2005 10:46 AM |
the car price will be the KBB price plus a percentage of the cost of all the mods. I have a few racers here in So Cal that are interisted. Most people would probably not want to pay what the car is worth. I am not going to play the game so to speak. I probably have over 40K in the car above what I payed for it but I would not even begin to want to ask for that type of money...Lets put it this way it will be more than a new STI but less than an ESX signature car...... :) I think mine looks better and it does perform better..... :banana: :banana: :banana: Keep looking in the for sale section in early to mid December for a listing or PM me and when I get the list together I will forward it to you!!!!!
Russ
Russ
| Nixlimited | 11-15-2005 12:20 PM |
jrerin-
Can you put up some more pics of the TM-Oil Cooler? Also, what kind of wheels are on that car? Beautiful work!
How is your throttle response with the FMIC?
Can you put up some more pics of the TM-Oil Cooler? Also, what kind of wheels are on that car? Beautiful work!
How is your throttle response with the FMIC?
| jrerin | 11-15-2005 10:39 PM |
I will try and get more pics ASAP. THe wheels are Volk racing LE28N's gun metal
8.5 X 18 5 X 100 bolt pattern with a 44mm offset Throtle response is fine the turbo is not as soon to spool as stock but it keeps pulling hard up to 152 mph where I topped out at at Cal speedway...... IN my opinion there is no way a top mount can handle the hp that this engine is creating..... :devil: :eek: :banana:
8.5 X 18 5 X 100 bolt pattern with a 44mm offset Throtle response is fine the turbo is not as soon to spool as stock but it keeps pulling hard up to 152 mph where I topped out at at Cal speedway...... IN my opinion there is no way a top mount can handle the hp that this engine is creating..... :devil: :eek: :banana:
| 8Complex | 11-15-2005 10:56 PM |
Motorsports post, motorsports forum. This is not a technical discussion, it is a press release about a motorsport event.
| ewright | 11-16-2005 01:11 AM |
congratulations. its nice to see someone with the talent and resources to prove the capabilities of the STi.
ernie:)
ernie:)
| Arnie | 11-16-2005 01:21 AM |
[QUOTE=jrerin]You can contact MACK at M1 at 714-797-8380 he also has a rear diff cover under chassie support bracket and harness bar as well as the oil cooler and other cool fab related stuff.
Russ[/QUOTE]
mack is a good guy and m1 is a quality shop. I installed some stuff there for Import Tuner and mack was very generous with his tools. He is a very good welder, very nice quality work on his roll cages and shifter cart chassis. Plus, we both agree that harness bars add zero structural rigidity to a car! :banana:
Congrats you guys on some awesome results.
Russ[/QUOTE]
mack is a good guy and m1 is a quality shop. I installed some stuff there for Import Tuner and mack was very generous with his tools. He is a very good welder, very nice quality work on his roll cages and shifter cart chassis. Plus, we both agree that harness bars add zero structural rigidity to a car! :banana:
Congrats you guys on some awesome results.
| z3coupe | 11-16-2005 01:50 AM |
Great job Doc, Chris, and Quirt!
Now, I wonder what class an SCCA Solo II STU prepped 05 STi would fall in? With all the restrictions in the rules we run under, how could we compete against those full on ricer, err, I mean "TUNER" cars? They seem to be allowed near "unlimited" mods compared to what I have to use. It might be time for me to try running "cone-less" for once :devil:
Now, I wonder what class an SCCA Solo II STU prepped 05 STi would fall in? With all the restrictions in the rules we run under, how could we compete against those full on ricer, err, I mean "TUNER" cars? They seem to be allowed near "unlimited" mods compared to what I have to use. It might be time for me to try running "cone-less" for once :devil:
| thechoochman28 | 11-16-2005 07:18 AM |
:banana: Way to bring it Russ, i'm sure Sheehan was frustrated. Wish i could of made it to that and the last time trials...I really can't wait till next year...Deiter won't know what hit him. BTW pm me your pants size.
Brian
Brian
| trhoppe | 11-16-2005 09:38 AM |
Wait a min, so they don't allow 710s or Hoosiers in the Limited Prep class, but they allow Toyo RA1s? What kind of crap is that?
-Tom
-Tom
| sleepy98 | 11-16-2005 11:13 AM |
jrerin -
Please don't take this the wrong way. I am just asking questions about the rules and decisions made to compete in the event.
- Why did you run 104 Octane when the rules say you can run ANY Octane?
[QUOTE=trhoppe]Wait a min, so they don't allow 710s or Hoosiers in the Limited Prep class, but they allow Toyo RA1s? What kind of crap is that?
-Tom[/QUOTE]
What's the deal with RA1's vs 710's vs. hoosiers? I know there are DOT ratings, but are the DOT ratings the same for every manufacturer or they different for each manufacturer ?
thanks
Mike
Please don't take this the wrong way. I am just asking questions about the rules and decisions made to compete in the event.
- Why did you run 104 Octane when the rules say you can run ANY Octane?
[QUOTE=trhoppe]Wait a min, so they don't allow 710s or Hoosiers in the Limited Prep class, but they allow Toyo RA1s? What kind of crap is that?
-Tom[/QUOTE]
What's the deal with RA1's vs 710's vs. hoosiers? I know there are DOT ratings, but are the DOT ratings the same for every manufacturer or they different for each manufacturer ?
thanks
Mike
| Element Tuning | 11-16-2005 12:08 PM |
[QUOTE=sleepy98]jrerin -
Please don't take this the wrong way. I am just asking questions about the rules and decisions made to compete in the event.
- Why did you run 104 Octane when the rules say you can run ANY Octane?
What's the deal with RA1's vs 710's vs. hoosiers? I know there are DOT ratings, but are the DOT ratings the same for every manufacturer or they different for each manufacturer ?
thanks
Mike[/QUOTE]
Mike,
The reason they eliminated "cheater slicks" from the "limited" class was to separate the times more between "unlimited and limited." Most importantly the change was designed to bring in more sponsorship money. This allows tires companies who support the sport compact market to have competitive tires in the limited class. The RA1s are great tires but we run 3 seconds a lap quicker on the Hoosiers. A couple other teams had the same results with Import Tuner EVO clocking at 1:52 on Hoosiers and 1:55 on RA1s.
The rules are the same for everyone so I�m glad they did it.
Thanks,
Phil
[url]www.elementtuning.com[/url]
Please don't take this the wrong way. I am just asking questions about the rules and decisions made to compete in the event.
- Why did you run 104 Octane when the rules say you can run ANY Octane?
What's the deal with RA1's vs 710's vs. hoosiers? I know there are DOT ratings, but are the DOT ratings the same for every manufacturer or they different for each manufacturer ?
thanks
Mike[/QUOTE]
Mike,
The reason they eliminated "cheater slicks" from the "limited" class was to separate the times more between "unlimited and limited." Most importantly the change was designed to bring in more sponsorship money. This allows tires companies who support the sport compact market to have competitive tires in the limited class. The RA1s are great tires but we run 3 seconds a lap quicker on the Hoosiers. A couple other teams had the same results with Import Tuner EVO clocking at 1:52 on Hoosiers and 1:55 on RA1s.
The rules are the same for everyone so I�m glad they did it.
Thanks,
Phil
[url]www.elementtuning.com[/url]
| sleepy98 | 11-16-2005 12:16 PM |
[QUOTE=Element Tuning]Mike,
The reason they eliminated "cheater slicks" from the "limited" class was to separate the times more between "unlimited and limited." Most importantly the change was designed to bring in more sponsorship money. This allows tires companies who support the sport compact market to have competitive tires in the limited class. The RA1s are great tires but we run 3 seconds a lap quicker on the Hoosiers. A couple other teams had the same results with Import Tuner EVO clocking at 1:52 on Hoosiers and 1:55 on RA1s.
The rules are the same for everyone so I�m glad they did it.
Thanks,
Phil
[url]www.elementtuning.com[/url][/QUOTE]
Thanks Phil.
It makes sense to keep the Sponsors happy:)
But, then how can people even compare anything when things are not all equal?
So you have RA-1s and someone uses the "cheater slicks", but you use 110 or 116Octane and then someone uses 104 octane? Certainly tires matter as much as fuel type does? Does that mean there is "cheater fuel" :)
Mike
The reason they eliminated "cheater slicks" from the "limited" class was to separate the times more between "unlimited and limited." Most importantly the change was designed to bring in more sponsorship money. This allows tires companies who support the sport compact market to have competitive tires in the limited class. The RA1s are great tires but we run 3 seconds a lap quicker on the Hoosiers. A couple other teams had the same results with Import Tuner EVO clocking at 1:52 on Hoosiers and 1:55 on RA1s.
The rules are the same for everyone so I�m glad they did it.
Thanks,
Phil
[url]www.elementtuning.com[/url][/QUOTE]
Thanks Phil.
It makes sense to keep the Sponsors happy:)
But, then how can people even compare anything when things are not all equal?
So you have RA-1s and someone uses the "cheater slicks", but you use 110 or 116Octane and then someone uses 104 octane? Certainly tires matter as much as fuel type does? Does that mean there is "cheater fuel" :)
Mike
| trhoppe | 11-16-2005 12:26 PM |
Wait wait wait wait
How are RA1s not "cheater slicks"? They are all DOT certified tires. Are these guys choosing which tires they allow based on what they feel like? Thats bs!
If you are 3 seconds faster on Hoosiers then RA1s then something is wrong or you aren't shaving your RA1s.
So are Hankook Z211 allowed? How about the Z214? How about the victoracer, or V700? where do they draw the line?
-Tom
How are RA1s not "cheater slicks"? They are all DOT certified tires. Are these guys choosing which tires they allow based on what they feel like? Thats bs!
If you are 3 seconds faster on Hoosiers then RA1s then something is wrong or you aren't shaving your RA1s.
So are Hankook Z211 allowed? How about the Z214? How about the victoracer, or V700? where do they draw the line?
-Tom
| afpdl | 11-16-2005 12:34 PM |
They set the tread wear rating at 100, thats the line.
| Crawford Performance | 11-16-2005 12:37 PM |
Enough with the (cheating) coments.
The tires we ran were approved by the people that put on the event, two weeks before the event even took place!
We did not show up at this event to cheat anybody.. Beat yes, cheat no :)
Quirt Crawford
[url]www.crawfordperformance.com[/url]
The tires we ran were approved by the people that put on the event, two weeks before the event even took place!
We did not show up at this event to cheat anybody.. Beat yes, cheat no :)
Quirt Crawford
[url]www.crawfordperformance.com[/url]
| Crawford Performance | 11-16-2005 12:47 PM |
[QUOTE=trhoppe]Wait wait wait wait
How are RA1s not "cheater slicks"? They are all DOT certified tires. Are these guys choosing which tires they allow based on what they feel like? Thats bs!
If you are 3 seconds faster on Hoosiers then RA1s then something is wrong or you aren't shaving your RA1s.
So are Hankook Z211 allowed? How about the Z214? How about the victoracer, or V700? where do they draw the line?
-Tom[/QUOTE]
Tom,
You are 100% correct :)
The issue here is politics.
Quirt Crawford
How are RA1s not "cheater slicks"? They are all DOT certified tires. Are these guys choosing which tires they allow based on what they feel like? Thats bs!
If you are 3 seconds faster on Hoosiers then RA1s then something is wrong or you aren't shaving your RA1s.
So are Hankook Z211 allowed? How about the Z214? How about the victoracer, or V700? where do they draw the line?
-Tom[/QUOTE]
Tom,
You are 100% correct :)
The issue here is politics.
Quirt Crawford
| driggity | 11-16-2005 12:50 PM |
[QUOTE=trhoppe]Thats bs![/QUOTE]
Actually it sounds like its marketing driving the rules behind a marketing event. What a surprise!
Actually it sounds like its marketing driving the rules behind a marketing event. What a surprise!
| trhoppe | 11-16-2005 01:46 PM |
[QUOTE=Crawford Performance]Enough with the (cheating) coments.
The tires we ran were approved by the people that put on the event, two weeks before the event even took place!
We did not show up at this event to cheat anybody.. Beat yes, cheat no :)
Quirt Crawford
[url]www.crawfordperformance.com[/url][/QUOTE]
In NO way am I saying that you guys are cheating. You guys did not cheat or have anything to do with cheating running the tires you ran. I'm just commenting on the rules that you followed!
-Tom
The tires we ran were approved by the people that put on the event, two weeks before the event even took place!
We did not show up at this event to cheat anybody.. Beat yes, cheat no :)
Quirt Crawford
[url]www.crawfordperformance.com[/url][/QUOTE]
In NO way am I saying that you guys are cheating. You guys did not cheat or have anything to do with cheating running the tires you ran. I'm just commenting on the rules that you followed!
-Tom
| trhoppe | 11-16-2005 01:47 PM |
100 treadwear was a dumb line considering that lets some R compounds in while not others. 140 treadwear with an exception for that 1 mismarked Pirelli is a better idea. These guys should have done some homework.
-Tom
-Tom
| Element Tuning | 11-16-2005 01:48 PM |
[QUOTE=trhoppe]Wait wait wait wait
How are RA1s not "cheater slicks"? They are all DOT certified tires. Are these guys choosing which tires they allow based on what they feel like? Thats bs!
If you are 3 seconds faster on Hoosiers then RA1s then something is wrong or you aren't shaving your RA1s.
So are Hankook Z211 allowed? How about the Z214? How about the victoracer, or V700? where do they draw the line?
-Tom[/QUOTE]
Please don't take the "cheater slicks" comment the wrong way. I called them "cheater slicks" last year when I used them. So this comment is not derogatory in any manner and I'm not inferring anyone here cheated. Teams on the wrong tires were move up to �unlimited� where they are allowed. There was a team caught cheating and it was not Crawford or any Subaru.
The rules were established significantly prior to the event and I knew about a month prior to the event. It�s up to the team manager to make sure the car entered is legal within the class entered. No tires with a wear rating of 100 or less are legal but gas limitations are not part of the rules. It�s obvious the tire rule changes directly effected the outcome as there were only a couple limited cars to break the 2 minute mark.
Now, I agree the rules were marketing based but the rules are the same for everyone. If these changes increase sponsorship dollars resulting in sponsorships for me or any other competitor, that�s great. Racing is too expensive to fully fund yourself.
Thanks,
Phil
[url]http://www.elementtuning.com[/url]
How are RA1s not "cheater slicks"? They are all DOT certified tires. Are these guys choosing which tires they allow based on what they feel like? Thats bs!
If you are 3 seconds faster on Hoosiers then RA1s then something is wrong or you aren't shaving your RA1s.
So are Hankook Z211 allowed? How about the Z214? How about the victoracer, or V700? where do they draw the line?
-Tom[/QUOTE]
Please don't take the "cheater slicks" comment the wrong way. I called them "cheater slicks" last year when I used them. So this comment is not derogatory in any manner and I'm not inferring anyone here cheated. Teams on the wrong tires were move up to �unlimited� where they are allowed. There was a team caught cheating and it was not Crawford or any Subaru.
The rules were established significantly prior to the event and I knew about a month prior to the event. It�s up to the team manager to make sure the car entered is legal within the class entered. No tires with a wear rating of 100 or less are legal but gas limitations are not part of the rules. It�s obvious the tire rule changes directly effected the outcome as there were only a couple limited cars to break the 2 minute mark.
Now, I agree the rules were marketing based but the rules are the same for everyone. If these changes increase sponsorship dollars resulting in sponsorships for me or any other competitor, that�s great. Racing is too expensive to fully fund yourself.
Thanks,
Phil
[url]http://www.elementtuning.com[/url]
| jrerin | 11-16-2005 01:58 PM |
We ran 104 unleaded race fuel so I would not have to change out the O2 sensors on the car every couple of months. We could get more HP out of the car with the 110 or greater leaded fuel but as the car is a daily driver it was easier just to stick with the 104. I have seen posts that say every point in octane is worth 10 hp???? If this is true than we left a lot on the table. By the way the car is driven with 104 in it and I drive it to work 2 days a week. The stickers attract too much attention with the local law enforcment!!! It is true that if in the limited class there is a tire rule there should be a fuel rule as well. Maybe next year.....
As far as the tires go I am sponsored by Kumho and we talked with Elliot (the event coordinator) and he said it would not be a problem to run the 710's. We were told we could not enter the car in unlimited as it did not have a cage or a fire suppression system. Elliot teched the car at the Motel 6 with the 710's on the car...... We were then bumped to the unlimited class after the 2nd or 3rd session. We were not the car that was switching tires and trying to fool the people that run the event. We were straight up from the beginning. It would have been nice if the powers that be would have come to us and informed us of the class change. We found out by our class standing being crossed out on the time sheet.
Kumho only has a 40, 50 and 220 tire. The 710 is what I run on all year with NASA in the HPDE time trial A class. I tried to find Toyos at the track and the Track tire shop did not have any and even the toyo rep tried to find some and we could not find any 18 inch tires..... 17's won't fit with the brakes that are on the car.
The bottom line for me is this.... I went out there to have fun not to try and get into a pissing match with other shops, drivers etc.... I do this for fun and the people that run shops do this for a living. So in the end I do not care what class I am in or where I finished for the day. I had run my personal best at the track that day and that was good enough for me. Was I the fastest Subaru...yes could I have gone faster????? YES. Could Gary drive my car faster???? Maybe or maybe not. I don't need to go into my racing background but lets just say I have been racing competitively since 1978. Gary actually drove my car with me in it when there was a track day at buttonwillow when I first got the car. I try and do well for the people that help me but I learned a long time ago that in the end I do this for me and for my enjoyment. When it is not fun anymore than it is time to move on.
I would have loved to see Gary and the guys from Element do well I was directly behind Gary (10 car lengths) when the car became a mosquito killer.... lots of blue smoke. I want every Subaru to do well cause, as we all know it's a STI vs EVO thing in the end. The problem with the event is the rules are to loose. Of all the 100 tires the RA1's are the best all the others are slower. Yes it was a Toyo event. But as any racer will tell you don't bother showing up on anything other than an RA1 if you want to do well.... Maybe next year it will be different. Some of the limited cars that were out there were more "raced out" then some of the unlimited cars.
There will always be shop or brand wars and in a way it makes things more fun. Everyone has excuses why they did not go faster or why this happened etc.... Heck the guys with the cobalt are a factory backed effort and they even tested B4 the event.
I congratulate all of the drivers shops and owners for a fun safe event. We were all able to go out run fast and everyone went home in one piece. I guess the best thing to do is run in unlimited where there are no rules and make the rules tighter in limited to truly level the playing field....
Russ :)
As far as the tires go I am sponsored by Kumho and we talked with Elliot (the event coordinator) and he said it would not be a problem to run the 710's. We were told we could not enter the car in unlimited as it did not have a cage or a fire suppression system. Elliot teched the car at the Motel 6 with the 710's on the car...... We were then bumped to the unlimited class after the 2nd or 3rd session. We were not the car that was switching tires and trying to fool the people that run the event. We were straight up from the beginning. It would have been nice if the powers that be would have come to us and informed us of the class change. We found out by our class standing being crossed out on the time sheet.
Kumho only has a 40, 50 and 220 tire. The 710 is what I run on all year with NASA in the HPDE time trial A class. I tried to find Toyos at the track and the Track tire shop did not have any and even the toyo rep tried to find some and we could not find any 18 inch tires..... 17's won't fit with the brakes that are on the car.
The bottom line for me is this.... I went out there to have fun not to try and get into a pissing match with other shops, drivers etc.... I do this for fun and the people that run shops do this for a living. So in the end I do not care what class I am in or where I finished for the day. I had run my personal best at the track that day and that was good enough for me. Was I the fastest Subaru...yes could I have gone faster????? YES. Could Gary drive my car faster???? Maybe or maybe not. I don't need to go into my racing background but lets just say I have been racing competitively since 1978. Gary actually drove my car with me in it when there was a track day at buttonwillow when I first got the car. I try and do well for the people that help me but I learned a long time ago that in the end I do this for me and for my enjoyment. When it is not fun anymore than it is time to move on.
I would have loved to see Gary and the guys from Element do well I was directly behind Gary (10 car lengths) when the car became a mosquito killer.... lots of blue smoke. I want every Subaru to do well cause, as we all know it's a STI vs EVO thing in the end. The problem with the event is the rules are to loose. Of all the 100 tires the RA1's are the best all the others are slower. Yes it was a Toyo event. But as any racer will tell you don't bother showing up on anything other than an RA1 if you want to do well.... Maybe next year it will be different. Some of the limited cars that were out there were more "raced out" then some of the unlimited cars.
There will always be shop or brand wars and in a way it makes things more fun. Everyone has excuses why they did not go faster or why this happened etc.... Heck the guys with the cobalt are a factory backed effort and they even tested B4 the event.
I congratulate all of the drivers shops and owners for a fun safe event. We were all able to go out run fast and everyone went home in one piece. I guess the best thing to do is run in unlimited where there are no rules and make the rules tighter in limited to truly level the playing field....
Russ :)
| driggity | 11-16-2005 02:09 PM |
[QUOTE=trhoppe]100 treadwear was a dumb line considering that lets some R compounds in while not others. 140 treadwear with an exception for that 1 mismarked Pirelli is a better idea. These guys should have done some homework.
-Tom[/QUOTE]
Or they did their homework, saw Toyo as a good potential sponsor, and set the treadwear rating so that the RA-1s would be right at the limit.
-Tom[/QUOTE]
Or they did their homework, saw Toyo as a good potential sponsor, and set the treadwear rating so that the RA-1s would be right at the limit.
| Crawford/I-Speed | 11-16-2005 02:25 PM |
Ok ...we all know in any event there will always be some trash talking and comments from the gallery. It's part of competition, which is always fun and fine. Let's keep our eye on the ball people and focus on pushing Subaru farther. Seriously...we ALL got beat by a Chevy! :lol:
Chris
I-Speed USA
Chris
I-Speed USA
| zzyzx | 11-16-2005 03:00 PM |
[QUOTE=I-Speed USA]Seriously...we ALL got beat by a Chevy! :lol:
Chris
I-Speed USA[/QUOTE]
You guys need some "Pwn3d by Heinricy" stickers. ;)
Chris
I-Speed USA[/QUOTE]
You guys need some "Pwn3d by Heinricy" stickers. ;)
| trhoppe | 11-16-2005 03:03 PM |
lol, can all of T1 and AS run those too?
| trhoppe | 11-16-2005 03:24 PM |
[quote]the EVO guys that had 18's are on the 5 X 114 bolt pattern and the 04 is 5 X 100 so that would not work as well[/quote] We can fix that. Also get some stronger bearings in the 04s as well ;)
-Tom
[email][email�protected][/email]
-Tom
[email][email�protected][/email]
| jrerin | 11-16-2005 03:57 PM |
[QUOTE=trhoppe]We can fix that. Also get some stronger bearings in the 04s as well ;)
-Tom
[email][email�protected][/email][/QUOTE]
Funny thing........ I took 05 front hubs and re drilled them 5 X 100.... I have 4 sets of volks that are 5 X 100 so it was easier to re index the outer hub assembly and I now have the stronger fr end!!!!! While I was at it I had a second set drilled in case of track failure!!!!
Russ :banana:
-Tom
[email][email�protected][/email][/QUOTE]
Funny thing........ I took 05 front hubs and re drilled them 5 X 100.... I have 4 sets of volks that are 5 X 100 so it was easier to re index the outer hub assembly and I now have the stronger fr end!!!!! While I was at it I had a second set drilled in case of track failure!!!!
Russ :banana:
| Arnie | 11-16-2005 04:33 PM |
[QUOTE=jrerin]Funny thing........ I took 05 front hubs and re drilled them 5 X 100.... I have 4 sets of volks that are 5 X 100 so it was easier to re index the outer hub assembly and I now have the stronger fr end!!!!! While I was at it I had a second set drilled in case of track failure!!!!
Russ :banana:[/QUOTE]
I remember speaking to mack about redrilling the 05 hubs for the 5x100 BCD. He showed me a hub he was working on. Must have been yours! Small world. Did you use the Brembo GT-R BBK that he had? They were for a customer's car, wasn't sure if they were yours or not.
Russ :banana:[/QUOTE]
I remember speaking to mack about redrilling the 05 hubs for the 5x100 BCD. He showed me a hub he was working on. Must have been yours! Small world. Did you use the Brembo GT-R BBK that he had? They were for a customer's car, wasn't sure if they were yours or not.
| GarySheehan | 11-16-2005 05:34 PM |
[QUOTE=trhoppe]Wait wait wait wait
How are RA1s not "cheater slicks"? They are all DOT certified tires. Are these guys choosing which tires they allow based on what they feel like? Thats bs!
If you are 3 seconds faster on Hoosiers then RA1s then something is wrong or you aren't shaving your RA1s.
So are Hankook Z211 allowed? How about the Z214? How about the victoracer, or V700? where do they draw the line?
-Tom[/QUOTE]
Tom,
Here are the rules for the event. The rules regarding tires were well written and simple to understand.
[url]http://teamsmr.com/images/TimeAttackRules2005vrf.xml[/url]
By the way, I didn't underline or bold the section regarding the Limited class regarding tires. That's the way the rules were written and distributed.
It sounds like there was a communication breakdown internal to the event administrators if they gave Quirt and Russ the ok to run 710's. Also, bumping them up a class without informing them wasn't very professional.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
How are RA1s not "cheater slicks"? They are all DOT certified tires. Are these guys choosing which tires they allow based on what they feel like? Thats bs!
If you are 3 seconds faster on Hoosiers then RA1s then something is wrong or you aren't shaving your RA1s.
So are Hankook Z211 allowed? How about the Z214? How about the victoracer, or V700? where do they draw the line?
-Tom[/QUOTE]
Tom,
Here are the rules for the event. The rules regarding tires were well written and simple to understand.
[url]http://teamsmr.com/images/TimeAttackRules2005vrf.xml[/url]
By the way, I didn't underline or bold the section regarding the Limited class regarding tires. That's the way the rules were written and distributed.
It sounds like there was a communication breakdown internal to the event administrators if they gave Quirt and Russ the ok to run 710's. Also, bumping them up a class without informing them wasn't very professional.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
| trhoppe | 11-16-2005 05:42 PM |
Oh, its a "Toyo Tire Time Attack" that explains it :)
-Tom
-Tom
| GarySheehan | 11-16-2005 06:02 PM |
[QUOTE=trhoppe]Oh, its a "Toyo Tire Time Attack" that explains it :)
-Tom[/QUOTE]
I figured that title page would shed some light on it... ;)
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
-Tom[/QUOTE]
I figured that title page would shed some light on it... ;)
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
| jrerin | 11-16-2005 06:16 PM |
I had the GTR kit on it for the SEMA show I will be putting the 13.1 kit back on....
| Crawford Performance | 11-16-2005 06:23 PM |
[QUOTE=GarySheehan]I figured that title page would shed some light on it... ;)
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url][/QUOTE]
Gary,
Thanks for coming to the event and helping us put some hurt on the EVO's :D
We hope to see you at future events supporting the Subaru name!
Quirt Crawford
[url]www.crawfordperformance.com[/url]
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url][/QUOTE]
Gary,
Thanks for coming to the event and helping us put some hurt on the EVO's :D
We hope to see you at future events supporting the Subaru name!
Quirt Crawford
[url]www.crawfordperformance.com[/url]
| GarySheehan | 11-16-2005 07:09 PM |
[QUOTE=Crawford Performance]Gary,
Thanks for coming to the event and helping us put some hurt on the EVO's :D
We hope to see you at future events supporting the Subaru name!
Quirt Crawford
[url]www.crawfordperformance.com[/url][/QUOTE]
I hope to get the chance. These events are always fun! Your car looked impressive out there.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
Thanks for coming to the event and helping us put some hurt on the EVO's :D
We hope to see you at future events supporting the Subaru name!
Quirt Crawford
[url]www.crawfordperformance.com[/url][/QUOTE]
I hope to get the chance. These events are always fun! Your car looked impressive out there.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
| Crawford Performance | 11-17-2005 11:50 AM |
[QUOTE=GarySheehan]I hope to get the chance. These events are always fun! Your car looked impressive out there.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url][/QUOTE]
Garry,Thanks for the kind words :)
We also had a blast!
To bad the end of the day came so soon, We would have liked you to toss our car around for a few laps. It would have been great to see the lap times a professional driver would have posted with it.
Sorry Russ :)
Thanks again,
Quirt Crawford
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url][/QUOTE]
Garry,Thanks for the kind words :)
We also had a blast!
To bad the end of the day came so soon, We would have liked you to toss our car around for a few laps. It would have been great to see the lap times a professional driver would have posted with it.
Sorry Russ :)
Thanks again,
Quirt Crawford
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