| Leonardo | 10-23-2002 12:48 PM |
R Sylvania Silver Star any better than the PIAA SuperWhite?
Well, saw that Western Auto has them in stock and was wondering if they are worth it as they are WAYYYYY cheaper than the PIAA.
Any coments on them?
Leo
Any coments on them?
Leo
| ATX25RS | 10-23-2002 01:58 PM |
they are pretty nice bulbs...a few of my rex friends have them....purple/pink/whiteish in output....useful too....i would go for them....save money for other things..
Andres
Andres
| newbie sewbie | 10-23-2002 02:00 PM |
no experience with sylvania silver star......but did have piaa superwhite....those bulbs are the sheet.....i've compared those w/others "hid" bulbs...and superwhite was still the best
i'm a firm believer in you get what you pay for
i'm a firm believer in you get what you pay for
| Avedis | 10-23-2002 09:23 PM |
Sylvania lights are alright, but I prefer Hella lights in general to PIAA (should be PITA for how often they burn out).
[url]http://www.susquehanna.com/susq/index.htm[/url]
Just my $.02 worth. :)
--jeff
[url]http://www.susquehanna.com/susq/index.htm[/url]
Just my $.02 worth. :)
--jeff
| Leonardo | 10-23-2002 10:05 PM |
I had the Superwhites and they covered the inside of my headlights in a whitish dust. Wonder if the Silver Stars will do the same!
Leo
Leo
| ruiner | 10-23-2002 10:47 PM |
I have the Silver Star's in my WRX and I see no evidence of white dust on the light's inside. I really like the look of them as well, definitely worth the $50 upgrade over stock.
Chad
Chad
| sajohnson | 10-24-2002 03:31 AM |
I'm using GE Zenon 9007 HO's. $9.33 each at Wal-Mart. All I have to compare to is the stock Sylvania lamps. The GE's are definitely 'whiter'.
Specs are 1,345/1,043 lumens high/low and 107/83 candle power (CP).
Specs are 1,345/1,043 lumens high/low and 107/83 candle power (CP).
| Sideways | 10-24-2002 04:42 AM |
PIAA is over priced crap... come`on, $75+ for a pair of bulbs that costs them $3 a piece to make.
As mentioned before... they don't last long and burn out quick. Only reason why I ever used PIAA Superwhites in my car is Piaa's HQ is local and I got them for free.
As much as they cost, they aren't worth it. And compared to the Silverstars, for $20 cheaper the PIAAs are greatly out performed.
The Silverstars are great for halogen bulbs, but at $25 apiece, they are overpriced to.
As mentioned before... they don't last long and burn out quick. Only reason why I ever used PIAA Superwhites in my car is Piaa's HQ is local and I got them for free.
As much as they cost, they aren't worth it. And compared to the Silverstars, for $20 cheaper the PIAAs are greatly out performed.
The Silverstars are great for halogen bulbs, but at $25 apiece, they are overpriced to.
| JCampbell | 10-24-2002 10:17 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ruiner [/i]
[B]... I really like the look of them as well, definitely worth the $50 upgrade over stock.
Chad [/B][/QUOTE]
$40 after you send in the $10 rebate. :)
I like them for the price. The only bulbs I've seen that I like better are the Solaris bulbs sold by Autosupermart.com. My dad has those in his 'burban and they are they only bulbs I've seen that truly look like HIDs, yes even including the PIAAs. I think the Solaris bulbs are $70/pair.
John Campbell
'02 Black WRX
[B]... I really like the look of them as well, definitely worth the $50 upgrade over stock.
Chad [/B][/QUOTE]
$40 after you send in the $10 rebate. :)
I like them for the price. The only bulbs I've seen that I like better are the Solaris bulbs sold by Autosupermart.com. My dad has those in his 'burban and they are they only bulbs I've seen that truly look like HIDs, yes even including the PIAAs. I think the Solaris bulbs are $70/pair.
John Campbell
'02 Black WRX
| hagarr | 10-24-2002 08:31 PM |
My Silverstars were great...except for the fact that they only lasted a year...
did not buy another pair.
Bri
did not buy another pair.
Bri
| brickdawg | 10-24-2002 09:08 PM |
After buying probably $500 (min) worth of bulbs over the past 5 years, I have decided to go back to stock until I can afford the real thing - hid
If I can't afford a diamond, I ain't buying cubic zirconia
If I can't afford a diamond, I ain't buying cubic zirconia
| WRX 'n' LVL | 10-24-2002 09:30 PM |
Raybrig Metal Whites
You guys should really try the top of the line Raybrig bulbs. I have used them in all 3 of my cars, and I never had them burn out. They are very very bright, with a white beam. I believe the top of the line Raybrig bulbs are the Metal Whites, and they go for about $60 at [url]www.spwusa.com[/url]
Later
Later
| sajohnson | 10-25-2002 01:38 AM |
WRX 'n' LVL
Thanks for the link. I checked it out and couldn't find the Metal Whites in a 9007. Did I miss something?
| WRX 'n' LVL | 10-25-2002 04:10 AM |
Re: WRX 'n' LVL
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by sajohnson [/i]
[B]Thanks for the link. I checked it out and couldn't find the Metal Whites in a 9007. Did I miss something? [/B][/QUOTE]
You know looking at the site, I now see the 9007 isnt listed. I wasnt sure if they wer made for rexs or not. As I havent bought any yet. Sometimes SPW doesnt list everything they have. You might want to give them a call at 805-485-5249. Ask for Kevin Kim, he is a cool guy.
I had these on my previous honda's and eclipse, and they were very bright and clear. They were brighter than any PIAA I have seen, and I never had a single one burn out on me. But, I have never seen the Sylvannia's in person.
Hopefully, they have the 9007 available, because they really are a great bulb.
Thanks
[B]Thanks for the link. I checked it out and couldn't find the Metal Whites in a 9007. Did I miss something? [/B][/QUOTE]
You know looking at the site, I now see the 9007 isnt listed. I wasnt sure if they wer made for rexs or not. As I havent bought any yet. Sometimes SPW doesnt list everything they have. You might want to give them a call at 805-485-5249. Ask for Kevin Kim, he is a cool guy.
I had these on my previous honda's and eclipse, and they were very bright and clear. They were brighter than any PIAA I have seen, and I never had a single one burn out on me. But, I have never seen the Sylvannia's in person.
Hopefully, they have the 9007 available, because they really are a great bulb.
Thanks
| gtguy | 10-25-2002 10:57 AM |
This found in a lighting FAQ/information tome:
What is the brightest halogen bulb?
For the 55W marked segment, sorted in order of brightness:
+50%: Philips Vision Plus (achieves its extra performance by increased luminance, not lumens. See this article: [url]http://www.eur.lighting.philips.com/press/automotive/resultsVision.shtml[/url])
+30%: Philips Premium.
+20%: Osram/Sylvania Xtra Vision, Osram/Sylvania Silverstar.
+0%: Philips Bluevison, Osram/Sylvania Cool Blue, Osram/Sylvania Halogen Plus, and OEM bulbs like GE.
-10%: PIAA Superwite
Kevin
What is the brightest halogen bulb?
For the 55W marked segment, sorted in order of brightness:
+50%: Philips Vision Plus (achieves its extra performance by increased luminance, not lumens. See this article: [url]http://www.eur.lighting.philips.com/press/automotive/resultsVision.shtml[/url])
+30%: Philips Premium.
+20%: Osram/Sylvania Xtra Vision, Osram/Sylvania Silverstar.
+0%: Philips Bluevison, Osram/Sylvania Cool Blue, Osram/Sylvania Halogen Plus, and OEM bulbs like GE.
-10%: PIAA Superwite
Kevin
| ATX25RS | 10-25-2002 11:43 AM |
Re: Re: WRX 'n' LVL
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by WRX 'n' LVL [/i]
[B]
You know looking at the site, I now see the 9007 isnt listed. I wasnt sure if they wer made for rexs or not. As I havent bought any yet. Sometimes SPW doesnt list everything they have. You might want to give them a call at 805-485-5249. Ask for Kevin Kim, he is a cool guy.
I had these on my previous honda's and eclipse, and they were very bright and clear. They were brighter than any PIAA I have seen, and I never had a single one burn out on me. But, I have never seen the Sylvannia's in person.
Hopefully, they have the 9007 available, because they really are a great bulb.
Thanks [/B][/QUOTE]
they are probably not available....i know for a fact that Polarg, another JDM bulb maker, does not make the 9007 bulb....i have VIP's and they are great bulbs, stock wattage and useful.....although when i suggested them for a rex, i found from my parts guy..they didnt make 9007....but i use H4...and if i am not mistaken so does the JDM WRX....
[B]
You know looking at the site, I now see the 9007 isnt listed. I wasnt sure if they wer made for rexs or not. As I havent bought any yet. Sometimes SPW doesnt list everything they have. You might want to give them a call at 805-485-5249. Ask for Kevin Kim, he is a cool guy.
I had these on my previous honda's and eclipse, and they were very bright and clear. They were brighter than any PIAA I have seen, and I never had a single one burn out on me. But, I have never seen the Sylvannia's in person.
Hopefully, they have the 9007 available, because they really are a great bulb.
Thanks [/B][/QUOTE]
they are probably not available....i know for a fact that Polarg, another JDM bulb maker, does not make the 9007 bulb....i have VIP's and they are great bulbs, stock wattage and useful.....although when i suggested them for a rex, i found from my parts guy..they didnt make 9007....but i use H4...and if i am not mistaken so does the JDM WRX....
| prelude/2.5rs | 10-25-2002 09:12 PM |
I just bought and installed a set of the Silverstars. They were on sale for $20 a piece at Autozone...not bad. As far as performance, they're alright. You really notice the difference with the high beams. Hopefully, by the time they blow, I'll have enough $$$ for HID. I probably wouldn't buy a second set of the Silverstars. They're not bad though.
| sajohnson | 10-26-2002 12:27 AM |
gtguy
Thanks for the info and the link. Unfortunately my browser came back with, "Could not find...":(
Also, what is the location of the lighting FAQ's where you found the info? Thanks!
Also, what is the location of the lighting FAQ's where you found the info? Thanks!
| RexInNCA | 10-26-2002 01:11 AM |
That is the cheapest I've seen - $20. To make the lights last longer, why not disable the daytime running lamp - unless of course you are in Canada.
| gtguy | 10-26-2002 09:18 AM |
Re: gtguy
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by sajohnson [/i]
[B]Thanks for the info and the link. Unfortunately my browser came back with, "Could not find...":(
Also, what is the location of the lighting FAQ's where you found the info? Thanks! [/B][/QUOTE]
Here ya go sajohnson:
[url]http://faq.auto.light.tripod.com/general-faq.htm[/url]
Kevin
[B]Thanks for the info and the link. Unfortunately my browser came back with, "Could not find...":(
Also, what is the location of the lighting FAQ's where you found the info? Thanks! [/B][/QUOTE]
Here ya go sajohnson:
[url]http://faq.auto.light.tripod.com/general-faq.htm[/url]
Kevin
| NeoteriX | 10-26-2002 06:55 PM |
Please do yourself a favor and don't buy into the "white" or "blue" light propaganda. They sure as hell look nice, but the bottom line is that they offer less light than the same bulb would without the BLUE FILM COATING on it. Also, bluer light scatters easier in rain and fog...
BTW, the Sylvania Silverstars sold here in the US have the bad BLUE TINT on them, and are totally different than the Osram Silverstars sold in Europe.
For the best lighting in a 2002 Impreza, the Sylvania XtraVisions are the only way to go short of a new headlight set or xenons.
BTW, the Sylvania Silverstars sold here in the US have the bad BLUE TINT on them, and are totally different than the Osram Silverstars sold in Europe.
For the best lighting in a 2002 Impreza, the Sylvania XtraVisions are the only way to go short of a new headlight set or xenons.
| gtguy | 10-26-2002 07:38 PM |
Personally, I would just place a Web order through PowerBulbs in the UK for some of the Philips bulbs and be done with it. But, for those who have H7s (Prodrive folks, others) a UK test showed that the VisonPlus bulbs yielded less of a gain in the H7s, which are premium bulbs already, apparently. You still got a 10-20% improvement, but it wasn't anything like the other improvements, which went as high as almost 50% more light in the test. I saw a link to this on ScoobyNet.
Kevin
Kevin
| sidewayz | 10-26-2002 07:43 PM |
Im using Eurolite's bulbs in my Morrettes, they have kinda the same light output as the Piaa's...and for half the price
| sidewayz | 10-26-2002 07:44 PM |
BTW:....hey Sideways........nice name :rolleyes: NOOB:p
| stumpz | 10-27-2002 07:29 AM |
I'll start off by saying I've not tired any bulbs in my WRX. But in my other cars... what i found was this.
The aftermarket "White" or "blue" bulbs...were great at night....as long as it did not rain. Once it rained...they were useless.
Staying with stock. I don't drive at night that much anyway.
Suresh
PS. My very humble 2 cents.
The aftermarket "White" or "blue" bulbs...were great at night....as long as it did not rain. Once it rained...they were useless.
Staying with stock. I don't drive at night that much anyway.
Suresh
PS. My very humble 2 cents.
| TonyWRX | 10-27-2002 11:07 AM |
Hiper makes good lights too. I had them in my old car for 2 1/2 years and they never blew out.
| JCampbell | 10-28-2002 10:54 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by NeoteriX [/i]
[B]...BTW, the Sylvania Silverstars sold here in the US have the bad BLUE TINT on them, and are totally different than the Osram Silverstars sold in Europe... [/B][/QUOTE]
I did look at the Silverstars before I installed them and the coating didn't look blue. I have seen the PIAAs, etc. and they have a definite 'blue' coating. While all bulbs have a coating of some type the SilverStar's weren't noticeably blue.
[B]...BTW, the Sylvania Silverstars sold here in the US have the bad BLUE TINT on them, and are totally different than the Osram Silverstars sold in Europe... [/B][/QUOTE]
I did look at the Silverstars before I installed them and the coating didn't look blue. I have seen the PIAAs, etc. and they have a definite 'blue' coating. While all bulbs have a coating of some type the SilverStar's weren't noticeably blue.
| IggDawg | 10-28-2002 11:07 AM |
I'd just like to add my opinion. I have the Wal Mart Sylvania 9007 HO bulbs. not the "super blue," just the "High output." They look much nicer than stock. best 10 bucks I spent. seriously, for your dollar you can't go wrong. I don't think they illuminate much more, but they are whiter to look at. I was in a WRX caravan the other day, and one of the guys (Kha0S) radio'd me and asked me "what bulbs are you running? they're really nice. very white." I told him "Wally World 9007s" and he was surprised.
So yeah. 9007 HO all teh way.
-IggDawg
So yeah. 9007 HO all teh way.
-IggDawg
| AKUFC | 10-28-2002 03:02 PM |
All "HID" bulbs are crap.
again.....
[SIZE=3]ALL "HID" bulbs are crap[/SIZE]
They dont perform for crap you lose output, the reason why they burn out is because they run on higher wattage, cause they put that fake crappy ass blue coat on their. So with a higher wattage they can see close to stock but not.
Why buy HID bulbs when they hamper your vision and dont look [b]anywhere[/b] close to HID.
Get HID or stay stock simple
again.....
[SIZE=3]ALL "HID" bulbs are crap[/SIZE]
They dont perform for crap you lose output, the reason why they burn out is because they run on higher wattage, cause they put that fake crappy ass blue coat on their. So with a higher wattage they can see close to stock but not.
Why buy HID bulbs when they hamper your vision and dont look [b]anywhere[/b] close to HID.
Get HID or stay stock simple
| MAD REX | 10-28-2002 03:38 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by AKUFC [/i]
[B]
Get HID or stay stock simple [/B][/QUOTE]
:rolleyes:
You = moron
[B]
Get HID or stay stock simple [/B][/QUOTE]
:rolleyes:
You = moron
| gtguy | 10-29-2002 01:29 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by AKUFC [/i]
[B]All "HID" bulbs are crap.
again.....
[SIZE=3]ALL "HID" bulbs are crap[/SIZE]
They dont perform for crap you lose output, the reason why they burn out is because they run on higher wattage, cause they put that fake crappy ass blue coat on their. So with a higher wattage they can see close to stock but not.
Why buy HID bulbs when they hamper your vision and dont look [b]anywhere[/b] close to HID.
Get HID or stay stock simple [/B][/QUOTE]
The truth hurts, but tests appear to bear this out. Not only that, but a 7000K HID system, according to tests performed by a vendor who sells 'em, provides 20% less light than a 4300K system.
I might suggest that the tone of the above post is a bit combative, but the essential information would appear to be difficult to fault.
Obviously, "don't perform for crap" is an exaggeration, but the blue coating does increase heat generated by the bulb. 9007s are particularly resistant to bulb upgrades for some reason that was explained, but made my head hurt. :lol:
Kevin
[B]All "HID" bulbs are crap.
again.....
[SIZE=3]ALL "HID" bulbs are crap[/SIZE]
They dont perform for crap you lose output, the reason why they burn out is because they run on higher wattage, cause they put that fake crappy ass blue coat on their. So with a higher wattage they can see close to stock but not.
Why buy HID bulbs when they hamper your vision and dont look [b]anywhere[/b] close to HID.
Get HID or stay stock simple [/B][/QUOTE]
The truth hurts, but tests appear to bear this out. Not only that, but a 7000K HID system, according to tests performed by a vendor who sells 'em, provides 20% less light than a 4300K system.
I might suggest that the tone of the above post is a bit combative, but the essential information would appear to be difficult to fault.
Obviously, "don't perform for crap" is an exaggeration, but the blue coating does increase heat generated by the bulb. 9007s are particularly resistant to bulb upgrades for some reason that was explained, but made my head hurt. :lol:
Kevin
| gtguy | 10-29-2002 01:56 PM |
I have a set of H7 Philips Vision Plus bulbs on the way from PowerBulbs, in the UK. They're about $44 for a pair, and PowerBulbs has free shipping, which is pretty slick. Once they arrive and are installed, I'll let everyone know how they work.
The UK lads on ScoobyNet like 'em a lot. Big difference over stock H7 performance, they claim. I like the longer, wider beam characteristics. We'll see. Most importantly, they aren't blue, and don't claim to look like HID, or be "Xenon."
I have a set of EuroLights bulbs in 9007 that make a lovely doorstop. :lol:
Kevin
The UK lads on ScoobyNet like 'em a lot. Big difference over stock H7 performance, they claim. I like the longer, wider beam characteristics. We'll see. Most importantly, they aren't blue, and don't claim to look like HID, or be "Xenon."
I have a set of EuroLights bulbs in 9007 that make a lovely doorstop. :lol:
Kevin
| TonyWRX | 10-29-2002 02:00 PM |
i thought the 4300K, 7000K was a measure of color temperature and therefore had NOTHING to do with brightness. I've read that somewhere before too...
| IggDawg | 10-29-2002 02:34 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by TonyWRX [/i]
[B]i thought the 4300K, 7000K was a measure of color temperature and therefore had NOTHING to do with brightness. I've read that somewhere before too... [/B][/QUOTE]
in these terms, yes. that is correct. "7000K" non HID lights have the same color light as HID, but don't put out as much light as HID lights @ 7000K
-IggDawg
[B]i thought the 4300K, 7000K was a measure of color temperature and therefore had NOTHING to do with brightness. I've read that somewhere before too... [/B][/QUOTE]
in these terms, yes. that is correct. "7000K" non HID lights have the same color light as HID, but don't put out as much light as HID lights @ 7000K
-IggDawg
| TonyWRX | 10-29-2002 03:12 PM |
i was actually just refering to HID.
4300K HID vs. 7000K HID i thought that the number K was only the color temperature, in other words the color that was reflected whether it was white, blue, purple, etc. It has NOTHING to do with how bright the bulb is.
[QUOTE]- Standard halogen bulbs put out as little as 1500 lumens of light, whereas HID lights put out approximately 3200 lumens of light... that's over twice the light. 5200k (blue-white), 6000k (blue), 7000k (purple-white) and 7500k (blue coated, very blue) available. Color temperature has NOTHING to do with brightness, it is just a description of the color of the bulbs. A higher color temperature does not indicate a brighter bulb, it just indicates a different color (generally more colored as you go higher, generally more white as you go lower). [/QUOTE]
4300K HID vs. 7000K HID i thought that the number K was only the color temperature, in other words the color that was reflected whether it was white, blue, purple, etc. It has NOTHING to do with how bright the bulb is.
[QUOTE]- Standard halogen bulbs put out as little as 1500 lumens of light, whereas HID lights put out approximately 3200 lumens of light... that's over twice the light. 5200k (blue-white), 6000k (blue), 7000k (purple-white) and 7500k (blue coated, very blue) available. Color temperature has NOTHING to do with brightness, it is just a description of the color of the bulbs. A higher color temperature does not indicate a brighter bulb, it just indicates a different color (generally more colored as you go higher, generally more white as you go lower). [/QUOTE]
| NeoteriX | 10-29-2002 07:02 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by TonyWRX [/i]
[B]i was actually just refering to HID.
4300K HID vs. 7000K HID i thought that the number K was only the color temperature, in other words the color that was reflected whether it was white, blue, purple, etc. It has NOTHING to do with how bright the bulb is.
[/B][/QUOTE]
*sigh* I had this elaborate post typed up about color temperatures and stuff, but it got deleted when my browser crashed. Anyway, you're right.
Anyway, the Philips Vision Plus bulbs are some of the best in the market, with a potential 50% increase in light, depending on the bulb type. However, the new age US spec Imprezas use 9007s for their headlights, with the Vision Pluses only come in H[I]x[/I] type bulbs. Overall, the 9007 is a pretty poor design for a bulb, so the gains to be extracted over stock will never be as high as 50%.
However, I've said it before, and I'll say it again: for the 9007, the best bulb you can get is the Sylvania XtraVisions. An advertised 20% increase in brightness, with no blue filters. Yeah, its still yellow, but no other 9007 bulb at the same (read: Correct) wattage will produce as much light as this. The i-club crowd is into performance over asthetics... right? :D
Also, XtraVisions are only a fraction more in cost than the regular blubs. I picked up a pair last week for only $20, and if you ACT NOW, there is a mailin rebate for $4. Can you imagine? The best light you're going to get from your new age Impreza for only $16. Needless to say, bulbs from PIAA and other companies will will upwards of $40-$80. :(
Actually, the best thing to do for light would be to get new headlights like the Morrettes where you could get projector lamps and use the H[I]x[/I] bulb... Or you could even go with real HIDs...
[IMG]http://store4.yimg.com/I/rodi_1708_7010316[/IMG]
The Sylvania SilverStars sold in the US definitely do have a blue tint. While not as blue as the Sylvania CoolBlues or other bulbs, it will still rob light from you.
I'll be the first to admit that the whitish light from these bluefiltered halogens look awesome. They definitely add that touch of class over the dull, pedestrian yellow light. However, back in suburbian/rural NY, there are winding, deer infested roads like no one's business. In the dark, it's really easy to outdrive your lights, esp with the lame Impreza 9007 based lamps. I need all the light I can get -- there is no way I can in good conscience can I buy headlights that look better but produce less light.
- NeoteriX, who is trying to lead the way in the XtraVision revolution?! :confused:
[B]i was actually just refering to HID.
4300K HID vs. 7000K HID i thought that the number K was only the color temperature, in other words the color that was reflected whether it was white, blue, purple, etc. It has NOTHING to do with how bright the bulb is.
[/B][/QUOTE]
*sigh* I had this elaborate post typed up about color temperatures and stuff, but it got deleted when my browser crashed. Anyway, you're right.
Anyway, the Philips Vision Plus bulbs are some of the best in the market, with a potential 50% increase in light, depending on the bulb type. However, the new age US spec Imprezas use 9007s for their headlights, with the Vision Pluses only come in H[I]x[/I] type bulbs. Overall, the 9007 is a pretty poor design for a bulb, so the gains to be extracted over stock will never be as high as 50%.
However, I've said it before, and I'll say it again: for the 9007, the best bulb you can get is the Sylvania XtraVisions. An advertised 20% increase in brightness, with no blue filters. Yeah, its still yellow, but no other 9007 bulb at the same (read: Correct) wattage will produce as much light as this. The i-club crowd is into performance over asthetics... right? :D
Also, XtraVisions are only a fraction more in cost than the regular blubs. I picked up a pair last week for only $20, and if you ACT NOW, there is a mailin rebate for $4. Can you imagine? The best light you're going to get from your new age Impreza for only $16. Needless to say, bulbs from PIAA and other companies will will upwards of $40-$80. :(
Actually, the best thing to do for light would be to get new headlights like the Morrettes where you could get projector lamps and use the H[I]x[/I] bulb... Or you could even go with real HIDs...
[IMG]http://store4.yimg.com/I/rodi_1708_7010316[/IMG]
The Sylvania SilverStars sold in the US definitely do have a blue tint. While not as blue as the Sylvania CoolBlues or other bulbs, it will still rob light from you.
I'll be the first to admit that the whitish light from these bluefiltered halogens look awesome. They definitely add that touch of class over the dull, pedestrian yellow light. However, back in suburbian/rural NY, there are winding, deer infested roads like no one's business. In the dark, it's really easy to outdrive your lights, esp with the lame Impreza 9007 based lamps. I need all the light I can get -- there is no way I can in good conscience can I buy headlights that look better but produce less light.
- NeoteriX, who is trying to lead the way in the XtraVision revolution?! :confused:
| gtguy | 10-29-2002 07:06 PM |
Who knows? Tests have apparently shown that 4300K kits put out the most usable light, as I understand things (not a techie, mind you), as a consequence of the very thing that makes them desirable to many people cosmetically...the blue or purple tint.
Quality of the kit also has something to do with it, as well as proper bulb orientation, etc.
But those who want purple, high Kelvin lights will say that that rating doesn't matter. Others will say otherwise. Frankly, it surprised me that a vendor who could have sold the more expensive, higher K-rated kits, would say that 4300K puts out the most usable light. I guess there are honest vendors out there...imagine that!
Kevin
Quality of the kit also has something to do with it, as well as proper bulb orientation, etc.
But those who want purple, high Kelvin lights will say that that rating doesn't matter. Others will say otherwise. Frankly, it surprised me that a vendor who could have sold the more expensive, higher K-rated kits, would say that 4300K puts out the most usable light. I guess there are honest vendors out there...imagine that!
Kevin
| sajohnson | 10-30-2002 01:57 AM |
I'm not a lighting expert, but I play one on the i-club!;)
One thing I remember from researching fluorescent lights for my garage is that higher color temp. is better for detailed tasks. For example, operating rooms and factories use 4,400 degree K lamps (or higher). Daylight is about 5,000 degrees K.
That said, I'm curious as to how the GE Zenon HO's I'm using compare with the XtraVisions. The HO's are definitely higher color temp. than stock and do _not_ have any blue tint. The bulbs are clear.
Go on, NeoteriX, testify! :cool:
One thing I remember from researching fluorescent lights for my garage is that higher color temp. is better for detailed tasks. For example, operating rooms and factories use 4,400 degree K lamps (or higher). Daylight is about 5,000 degrees K.
That said, I'm curious as to how the GE Zenon HO's I'm using compare with the XtraVisions. The HO's are definitely higher color temp. than stock and do _not_ have any blue tint. The bulbs are clear.
Go on, NeoteriX, testify! :cool:
| gtguy | 10-30-2002 10:19 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by NeoteriX [/i]
[B]Anyway, the Philips Vision Plus bulbs are some of the best in the market, with a potential 50% increase in light, depending on the bulb type. However, the new age US spec Imprezas use 9007s for their headlights, with the Vision Pluses only come in H[I]x[/I] type bulbs. Overall, the 9007 is a pretty poor design for a bulb, so the gains to be extracted over stock will never be as high as 50%.
The i-club crowd is into performance over asthetics... right? :D
I need all the light I can get -- there is no way I can in good conscience can I buy headlights that look better but produce less light.
- NeoteriX, who is trying to lead the way in the XtraVision revolution?! :confused: [/B][/QUOTE]
Once I finished laughing about the "i-Club crowd is into performance over aesthetics" bit, I could read the rest of that excellent post. Right on, my brother, right on.
I'm putting Vision Plus bulbs in my H7 Prodrive lights. We'll see how they work. What's interesting was that I was at a stoplight beside a guy in an Acura, then an Audi last night, coming home from work. The Audi had a nicer system than the Acura. That is, sitting beside the Acura, I thought, HID...who cares. Sitting beside the Audi I thought...nice.
By the way, actual testing on the Vision Plus, in H4 and H7 configuration, showed, respectively, a 40% and 10% increase in light. Along with the light increase, both beams were wider and longer than the stock bulbs.
Kevin
[B]Anyway, the Philips Vision Plus bulbs are some of the best in the market, with a potential 50% increase in light, depending on the bulb type. However, the new age US spec Imprezas use 9007s for their headlights, with the Vision Pluses only come in H[I]x[/I] type bulbs. Overall, the 9007 is a pretty poor design for a bulb, so the gains to be extracted over stock will never be as high as 50%.
The i-club crowd is into performance over asthetics... right? :D
I need all the light I can get -- there is no way I can in good conscience can I buy headlights that look better but produce less light.
- NeoteriX, who is trying to lead the way in the XtraVision revolution?! :confused: [/B][/QUOTE]
Once I finished laughing about the "i-Club crowd is into performance over aesthetics" bit, I could read the rest of that excellent post. Right on, my brother, right on.
I'm putting Vision Plus bulbs in my H7 Prodrive lights. We'll see how they work. What's interesting was that I was at a stoplight beside a guy in an Acura, then an Audi last night, coming home from work. The Audi had a nicer system than the Acura. That is, sitting beside the Acura, I thought, HID...who cares. Sitting beside the Audi I thought...nice.
By the way, actual testing on the Vision Plus, in H4 and H7 configuration, showed, respectively, a 40% and 10% increase in light. Along with the light increase, both beams were wider and longer than the stock bulbs.
Kevin
| NeoteriX | 11-02-2002 02:30 AM |
Anyone who wants to take me up on the XtraVisions... The coupon for $4 off can be found here.
Coupon!
Expires March, 2003. :D[URL=http://www.autobarn.com/rebate/SylvanXTRBLU.pdf]http://www.autobarn.com/rebate/SylvanXTRBLU.pdf[/URL]
And yea, I think you're right about the color temp of the light and detail... I remember when I was in an arts and crafts store they were selling these special flourescent lights for "sewing" and "crafts" hehe...
I don't know, but I would hazard that minute details involving crafts and the needs of driving light are somewhat different.
Coupon!
Expires March, 2003. :D[URL=http://www.autobarn.com/rebate/SylvanXTRBLU.pdf]http://www.autobarn.com/rebate/SylvanXTRBLU.pdf[/URL]
And yea, I think you're right about the color temp of the light and detail... I remember when I was in an arts and crafts store they were selling these special flourescent lights for "sewing" and "crafts" hehe...
I don't know, but I would hazard that minute details involving crafts and the needs of driving light are somewhat different.
| jpaj88 | 11-02-2002 02:04 PM |
fogs
what kind of lights are people putting in their fog lights, to match the upgraded headlights (silverstar, etc.).?
| gtguy | 11-02-2002 07:17 PM |
No fog upgrades for me. They work great, especially now that I have the Prodrive lights, which are as bright as the fogs which, with a slight upward adjustment tweak, give a very nice fill.
Kevin
Kevin
| sajohnson | 11-03-2002 01:24 AM |
Fogs and color temp
I think the stock fogs are fine -- much better than most factory lights. I like the fact that they are adjustable and wish all fog lights were. I found that from the factory they were aimed _way_ to low. I think the stock lamps are fine. In fact, I bought a replacement for one that got broken from a fellow i-club member who had replaced the stock lamp with one of the blue-tinted type. It recently burned out and I replaced it with the stock type. They fill in the GE 9007 HO low beams very nicely. I adjusted them so that the beams are parallel to the low beams.
Everything else being equal, from what I remember higher color temp. is better for 'task' lighting and presumably driving as well. I believe most HID lights are set at 4,400 degrees K for that reason. Apparently if you go much above that level effectiveness decreases. See this link:
[url]http://faq.auto.light.tripod.com/general-faq.htm[/url]
Everything else being equal, from what I remember higher color temp. is better for 'task' lighting and presumably driving as well. I believe most HID lights are set at 4,400 degrees K for that reason. Apparently if you go much above that level effectiveness decreases. See this link:
[url]http://faq.auto.light.tripod.com/general-faq.htm[/url]
| AKUFC | 11-03-2002 05:57 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by MAD REX [/i]
[B]
:rolleyes:
You = moron [/B][/QUOTE]
me = moron because what I preach the truth?
Why waste money on Silverstars etc, especially PIAA?
That money is $20 more to the real thing. I wasted an assload of money on HID look a like because of what they "promised" they say they are brighter but only appear to be brighter when in fact a stock bulb out performs any HID look a like bulb.
I learned the hardway that if you want better lighting in headlights its either HID or nothing is really the plain fact.
Now way to explain me being a moron by [b]not[/b] pointing out how I am one :rolleyes:
[B]
:rolleyes:
You = moron [/B][/QUOTE]
me = moron because what I preach the truth?
Why waste money on Silverstars etc, especially PIAA?
That money is $20 more to the real thing. I wasted an assload of money on HID look a like because of what they "promised" they say they are brighter but only appear to be brighter when in fact a stock bulb out performs any HID look a like bulb.
I learned the hardway that if you want better lighting in headlights its either HID or nothing is really the plain fact.
Now way to explain me being a moron by [b]not[/b] pointing out how I am one :rolleyes:
| STR8OUT | 11-04-2002 12:36 AM |
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If anyones interested, I got a guy that sells real nice HID kits for $370shipped.
Heres my 7000K kit in my STI lights, they are really friken bright. There is no way to compare these to imitation HID bulbs. I have not yet been asked if they are the real deal, you can tell they are real just by looking at them. You can SO tell the difference between the real thing and the fake. I am kinda agreeing about wasting your money on blue bulbs. Once you get a set of these, you think the blue bulbs look corny. These shouldnt burn out either for 2000hrs. I also love the start up when you turn them on, it makes people look like WHOA:eek: .
Heres my 7000K kit in my STI lights, they are really friken bright. There is no way to compare these to imitation HID bulbs. I have not yet been asked if they are the real deal, you can tell they are real just by looking at them. You can SO tell the difference between the real thing and the fake. I am kinda agreeing about wasting your money on blue bulbs. Once you get a set of these, you think the blue bulbs look corny. These shouldnt burn out either for 2000hrs. I also love the start up when you turn them on, it makes people look like WHOA:eek: .
| Dolphin Overton | 11-04-2002 02:23 AM |
I use Hella Yellow Stars. Too bad they don't make them in 9007.
| JCampbell | 11-04-2002 12:47 PM |
Re: fogs
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jpaj88 [/i]
[B]what kind of lights are people putting in their fog lights, to match the upgraded headlights (silverstar, etc.).? [/B][/QUOTE]
H3 55w Yellow Stars, they are a true fog light bulb and will run you about $6-$8 per bulb.
[B]what kind of lights are people putting in their fog lights, to match the upgraded headlights (silverstar, etc.).? [/B][/QUOTE]
H3 55w Yellow Stars, they are a true fog light bulb and will run you about $6-$8 per bulb.
| topdaytrader | 11-04-2002 12:57 PM |
check out [url]http://www.motionr.com[/url]
They sell the brightest bulbs
They sell the brightest bulbs
| Qbushido | 11-04-2002 03:39 PM |
at quick glance I didnt see any voltage/wattage ratings on the website, Not a good idea, a cooked harness is no fun
| jacobhorn | 11-04-2002 03:58 PM |
| NeoteriX | 11-04-2002 04:19 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by topdaytrader [/i]
[B]check out [url]http://www.motionr.com[/url]
They sell the brightest bulbs [/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah... I'm going to go ahead an call BS on this one.
First and foremost, a [I]halogen[/I] bulb that is advertised to produce a white/blue will never be the "brightest bulb." It's just not going to happen. The only way manufacturers have gotten Halogen bulbs to give off a white/blue light is to put a filter or film on the bulb -- this is the very thing that will absorb certain wavelengths of light. Maybe the bulbs are of a higher wattage but you're going to face a possible melted harness, headlight assembly, etc. and even then, a "tinted" bulb at a higher wattage will never be as bright as the regular, untinted high wattage bulb.
Secondly, this website seems to be playing off the whole Xenon craze and is trying to take advantage of consumers. Xenon HID technology and Halogen technology are significantly different. In a nutshell, Xenon gas inside of a Halogen bulb isn't going to give you a brighter bulb. Any company that tries to advertise its Halogen bulbs as having Xenon gas inside of it should set off warning alarms to the consumer.
Lastly, I've said it before and I'll say it again. [B]The brightest New Age Impreza (9007) bulb you can buy is the US Sylvania XtraVisions. Period.[/B]
Yeah, it's yellow. Yeah, it'll offer the most light possible at a stock wattage. Yeah, I'm a psycho fanatic about this. :D :D :D
[B]check out [url]http://www.motionr.com[/url]
They sell the brightest bulbs [/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah... I'm going to go ahead an call BS on this one.
First and foremost, a [I]halogen[/I] bulb that is advertised to produce a white/blue will never be the "brightest bulb." It's just not going to happen. The only way manufacturers have gotten Halogen bulbs to give off a white/blue light is to put a filter or film on the bulb -- this is the very thing that will absorb certain wavelengths of light. Maybe the bulbs are of a higher wattage but you're going to face a possible melted harness, headlight assembly, etc. and even then, a "tinted" bulb at a higher wattage will never be as bright as the regular, untinted high wattage bulb.
Secondly, this website seems to be playing off the whole Xenon craze and is trying to take advantage of consumers. Xenon HID technology and Halogen technology are significantly different. In a nutshell, Xenon gas inside of a Halogen bulb isn't going to give you a brighter bulb. Any company that tries to advertise its Halogen bulbs as having Xenon gas inside of it should set off warning alarms to the consumer.
Lastly, I've said it before and I'll say it again. [B]The brightest New Age Impreza (9007) bulb you can buy is the US Sylvania XtraVisions. Period.[/B]
Yeah, it's yellow. Yeah, it'll offer the most light possible at a stock wattage. Yeah, I'm a psycho fanatic about this. :D :D :D
| sajohnson | 11-05-2002 08:20 PM |
NeoteriX
Not a big deal, but I noticed when I printed out the pdf Sylvania coupon that it says to send in the "original rebate coupon".
Have you actually used a computer generated copy?
I'm still trying to get the specs on the 9007 XtraVision lamps. Do you have a link?
Thanks!
Have you actually used a computer generated copy?
I'm still trying to get the specs on the 9007 XtraVision lamps. Do you have a link?
Thanks!
| mykrrrr | 11-06-2002 08:04 AM |
I had to get a new bulb yesterday since my one zillionth bulb burned out yesterday so I decided to try Silverstars.
[IMG]http://scoot.net/gallery/bbs/SilverStars.jpg [/IMG]
Not that bad, not as white as my Polarg that burned out on me.
I've had PIAA superwhites and I think the Silverstars aren't as white as the PIAAs but I can't compare them since the PIAAs burned out [b]ALONG[/b] time ago.
-mykr.
[IMG]http://scoot.net/gallery/bbs/SilverStars.jpg [/IMG]
Not that bad, not as white as my Polarg that burned out on me.
I've had PIAA superwhites and I think the Silverstars aren't as white as the PIAAs but I can't compare them since the PIAAs burned out [b]ALONG[/b] time ago.
-mykr.
| sajohnson | 11-06-2002 09:47 AM |
Info from Sylvania
I just emailed Sylvania and got the following reply:
Thank you for your interest in SYLVANIA product. Although I cannot
comment on the product of our competitors, I have listed below the
specifications to compare. The XtraVision series and our new SilverStar
line are the highest performing products we have out there for direct
replacement. The lumen ratings are roughly the same because it is the
different gas mixture and filament within the bulb that creates the
increased output. In both the XtraVision and the SilverStar versions
the viewing pattern is increased by redirecting the light and turning
light that would be considered scattered in the standard version into
usable light in the XtraVision and SilverStar versions. Both XtraVision
and SilverStar have an increased viewing pattern, but SilverStar also
offers an increased color temperature which makes the light output a
crisper white. I hope this information helps. Please let me know if I
can be of further assistance.
9007- 12V 65/55W lumens 1350/1000 MSCD 107/80 Color
temp. 3200
9007XV- 12V 65/55W lumens 1350/1100 MSCD 107/83 Color
temp. 3500
9007ST- 12V 70/60W lumens 1350/1000 MSCD 107/80 Color
temp. 4000
Thank you.
Delilah Jones
OSRAM SYLVANIA
Automotive Lighting Division
Ph: 800/347-3420
Fx: 800/347-3411
Looks like the MSCD ratings of the XtraVisions are the same as the GE 90007 HO's I'm using. Of course the beam pattern could be different. Might be time to contrast and compare ;)
Thank you for your interest in SYLVANIA product. Although I cannot
comment on the product of our competitors, I have listed below the
specifications to compare. The XtraVision series and our new SilverStar
line are the highest performing products we have out there for direct
replacement. The lumen ratings are roughly the same because it is the
different gas mixture and filament within the bulb that creates the
increased output. In both the XtraVision and the SilverStar versions
the viewing pattern is increased by redirecting the light and turning
light that would be considered scattered in the standard version into
usable light in the XtraVision and SilverStar versions. Both XtraVision
and SilverStar have an increased viewing pattern, but SilverStar also
offers an increased color temperature which makes the light output a
crisper white. I hope this information helps. Please let me know if I
can be of further assistance.
9007- 12V 65/55W lumens 1350/1000 MSCD 107/80 Color
temp. 3200
9007XV- 12V 65/55W lumens 1350/1100 MSCD 107/83 Color
temp. 3500
9007ST- 12V 70/60W lumens 1350/1000 MSCD 107/80 Color
temp. 4000
Thank you.
Delilah Jones
OSRAM SYLVANIA
Automotive Lighting Division
Ph: 800/347-3420
Fx: 800/347-3411
Looks like the MSCD ratings of the XtraVisions are the same as the GE 90007 HO's I'm using. Of course the beam pattern could be different. Might be time to contrast and compare ;)
| JCampbell | 11-07-2002 12:07 PM |
Yellow Stars
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jacobhorn [/i]
[B]Where do you get Hella Yellow Star bulbs for $8-$10? Thanks!
Jacob
[email][email protected][/email] [/B][/QUOTE]
[URL=http://www.puma-access.com/]PUMA[/URL]
They are cheap and great service.
[B]Where do you get Hella Yellow Star bulbs for $8-$10? Thanks!
Jacob
[email][email protected][/email] [/B][/QUOTE]
[URL=http://www.puma-access.com/]PUMA[/URL]
They are cheap and great service.
| JCampbell | 11-07-2002 12:13 PM |
Re: NeoteriX
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by sajohnson [/i]
[B] Have you actually used a computer generated copy?
Thanks! [/B][/QUOTE]
Yes, it is what I sent in. I couldn't get the coupon locally, so I called Sylvania and she emailed the .pdf to me.
[B] Have you actually used a computer generated copy?
Thanks! [/B][/QUOTE]
Yes, it is what I sent in. I couldn't get the coupon locally, so I called Sylvania and she emailed the .pdf to me.
| NeoteriX | 11-08-2002 01:00 PM |
Re: Info from Sylvania
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by sajohnson [/i]
[B]I just emailed Sylvania and got the following reply:
Thank you for your interest in SYLVANIA product. Although I cannot
comment on the product of our competitors, I have listed below the
specifications to compare. The XtraVision series and our new SilverStar
line are the highest performing products we have out there for direct
replacement. The lumen ratings are roughly the same because it is the
different gas mixture and filament within the bulb that creates the
increased output. In both the XtraVision and the SilverStar versions
the viewing pattern is increased by redirecting the light and turning
light that would be considered scattered in the standard version into
usable light in the XtraVision and SilverStar versions. Both XtraVision
and SilverStar have an increased viewing pattern, but SilverStar also
offers an increased color temperature which makes the light output a
crisper white. I hope this information helps. Please let me know if I
can be of further assistance.
9007- 12V 65/55W lumens 1350/1000 MSCD 107/80 Color
temp. 3200
9007XV- 12V 65/55W lumens 1350/1100 MSCD 107/83 Color
temp. 3500
9007ST- 12V 70/60W lumens 1350/1000 MSCD 107/80 Color
temp. 4000
Thank you.
Delilah Jones
OSRAM SYLVANIA
Automotive Lighting Division
Ph: 800/347-3420
Fx: 800/347-3411
Looks like the MSCD ratings of the XtraVisions are the same as the GE 90007 HO's I'm using. Of course the beam pattern could be different. Might be time to contrast and compare ;) [/B][/QUOTE]
Interesting stuff... I've been meaning for some time to swap out one of the xtravisions and put the OE one back in to snap a couple of pictures. Not as scientific as actually having somekind of luminosity sensor or something, but maybe it'll provide some insight.
[B]I just emailed Sylvania and got the following reply:
Thank you for your interest in SYLVANIA product. Although I cannot
comment on the product of our competitors, I have listed below the
specifications to compare. The XtraVision series and our new SilverStar
line are the highest performing products we have out there for direct
replacement. The lumen ratings are roughly the same because it is the
different gas mixture and filament within the bulb that creates the
increased output. In both the XtraVision and the SilverStar versions
the viewing pattern is increased by redirecting the light and turning
light that would be considered scattered in the standard version into
usable light in the XtraVision and SilverStar versions. Both XtraVision
and SilverStar have an increased viewing pattern, but SilverStar also
offers an increased color temperature which makes the light output a
crisper white. I hope this information helps. Please let me know if I
can be of further assistance.
9007- 12V 65/55W lumens 1350/1000 MSCD 107/80 Color
temp. 3200
9007XV- 12V 65/55W lumens 1350/1100 MSCD 107/83 Color
temp. 3500
9007ST- 12V 70/60W lumens 1350/1000 MSCD 107/80 Color
temp. 4000
Thank you.
Delilah Jones
OSRAM SYLVANIA
Automotive Lighting Division
Ph: 800/347-3420
Fx: 800/347-3411
Looks like the MSCD ratings of the XtraVisions are the same as the GE 90007 HO's I'm using. Of course the beam pattern could be different. Might be time to contrast and compare ;) [/B][/QUOTE]
Interesting stuff... I've been meaning for some time to swap out one of the xtravisions and put the OE one back in to snap a couple of pictures. Not as scientific as actually having somekind of luminosity sensor or something, but maybe it'll provide some insight.
| hkwan | 11-08-2002 01:50 PM |
I've been thinking of upgrading the head light harness (found couple of suppliers) and use some higher wattage bulb. Any input from you expertise in regards to pros and cons?
PS I will aim it so that I won't blind anyone.
PS I will aim it so that I won't blind anyone.
| hkwan | 11-08-2002 06:07 PM |
I found the socket @ Kragen's for 2 bucks each. (85811, [url]http://208.233.99.171/randb/default...[/url]> %3DElectrical )
The catalog (from the store) is saying that the 9004 and 9007 share the same plug. The package only has 9004 as the application. I've compared the light bulb, the only noticable difference between the 2 types are that the light bulb itself is rotated 90deg from the plug. Anyone know if there is any other difference?
The catalog (from the store) is saying that the 9004 and 9007 share the same plug. The package only has 9004 as the application. I've compared the light bulb, the only noticable difference between the 2 types are that the light bulb itself is rotated 90deg from the plug. Anyone know if there is any other difference?
| T-WRX | 11-09-2002 10:53 AM |
I have had silverstars for the last several months. While they are obviously "whiter", they don't really seem to be much brighter.
Of course, this is according to the allpurpose tool that measures anything car-related --> the buttmeter.
Maybe I skimmed to fast, but nobody mentioned the easiest way to increase the brightness is just to crank up the wattage. I avoided doing this because I was a weenie about staying "legal." Rather hypocritical coming from a guy with no front plate, and a rather spotty record with the DMV/sec.state.
str8out - please post more info about your proposed solution . . .
Of course, this is according to the allpurpose tool that measures anything car-related --> the buttmeter.
Maybe I skimmed to fast, but nobody mentioned the easiest way to increase the brightness is just to crank up the wattage. I avoided doing this because I was a weenie about staying "legal." Rather hypocritical coming from a guy with no front plate, and a rather spotty record with the DMV/sec.state.
str8out - please post more info about your proposed solution . . .
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