| Wr4wrX | 06-26-2005 06:09 PM |
French GP
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It's mid-season and F1 returns to Europe after the US GP farce. The Michelin teams might boycott the French GP if the FIA try to shaft them for the Indy mess...
[URL=http://formula-1.updatesport.com/news/article/1119783699/formula_one/F1headlines/French-GP-boycott-threat/view.html]Ruh roh...[/URL]
[URL=http://formula-1.updatesport.com/news/article/1119783699/formula_one/F1headlines/French-GP-boycott-threat/view.html]Ruh roh...[/URL]
| cooleyjb | 06-26-2005 06:36 PM |
Screw Michelin and the teams on them. They screwed the fans, and everyone at the last event why should they get away with it. There should be fines or other forms of punishment against them. I would find it shocking if they did boycott the race. They are out there to win, each race and the series and 2 DNS in a row isn't good. The major sponsors should be compelled to pull their money if they don't start a second race.
| speedyHAM | 06-26-2005 07:26 PM |
No one should be penalized. It was unsafe for the Michelin teams to run, and against the rules to change things to let them run safely. They (the teams) did the only thing they could. Losing the opportunity to gain points is enough of a punishment in the first place. Come the end of the year the race at Indy may play a factor in the final points. That would be very bad for Michelin teams.
| Rapid_Roo | 06-26-2005 09:49 PM |
make them all run on Bridgstones. :P
| Dark | 06-27-2005 12:29 AM |
Doubt it would happen, for god sake is a F1 race not some sissy high school fights.
| TimStevens | 06-27-2005 08:21 AM |
We already have a thread for people to vent about Indy. I for one am sick of hearing about it.
Let's move on, shall we?
Let's move on, shall we?
| AndyRoo | 06-27-2005 09:48 AM |
[QUOTE=TimStevens]We already have a thread for people to vent about Indy. I for one am sick of hearing about it.
Let's move on, shall we?[/QUOTE]
agreed. i've almost completely put it out of my mind.
and im having a bad enough week as it is, lets not bring indy back into it.
Let's move on, shall we?[/QUOTE]
agreed. i've almost completely put it out of my mind.
and im having a bad enough week as it is, lets not bring indy back into it.
| lark6 | 06-27-2005 10:59 AM |
I suspect Michelin will not withdraw on its home soil.
| TimStevens | 06-27-2005 11:00 AM |
It's not Michelin who will withdraw, it'll be the teams, because they're the ones who will be getting the punishment this Weds.
| artkevin | 06-27-2005 11:05 AM |
I hope they just get fined and have to buy the USGP ticket holders next years tickets and be done with it.
Anyways, top 8:
1. Kimster
2. Freddy
3. Webber
4. Shumi
5. Woobens
6. Button
7.Trulli
8. Fisicola
Anyways, top 8:
1. Kimster
2. Freddy
3. Webber
4. Shumi
5. Woobens
6. Button
7.Trulli
8. Fisicola
| BillT | 06-27-2005 11:47 AM |
I'm going to hold off until after Wednesday before making any picks for the race just in case somebody gets banned.
| artkevin | 06-27-2005 12:23 PM |
^^^^^
I like to live on the edge baby!
I like to live on the edge baby!
| lark6 | 06-27-2005 01:00 PM |
[QUOTE=TimStevens]It's not Michelin who will withdraw, it'll be the teams, because they're the ones who will be getting the punishment this Weds.[/QUOTE]
Well, you know what I mean. Michelin will not claim its tires are unsafe for Magny-Cours.
Well, you know what I mean. Michelin will not claim its tires are unsafe for Magny-Cours.
| REX8 | 06-27-2005 01:03 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]I hope they just get fined and have to buy the USGP ticket holders next years tickets and be done with it.
Anyways, top 8:
1. Kimster
2. Freddy
3. Webber
4. Shumi
5. Woobens
6. Button
7.Trulli
8. Fisicola[/QUOTE]
Everyone doubting Juan huh? Got hosed leading the last race, fastest at Indy practice...what gives?
Anyways, top 8:
1. Kimster
2. Freddy
3. Webber
4. Shumi
5. Woobens
6. Button
7.Trulli
8. Fisicola[/QUOTE]
Everyone doubting Juan huh? Got hosed leading the last race, fastest at Indy practice...what gives?
| TimStevens | 06-27-2005 01:07 PM |
[QUOTE=lark6]Well, you know what I mean. Michelin will not claim its tires are unsafe for Magny-Cours.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I hear ya. They'll definitely be hoping to make up for the last race, but I have a bad feeling they may not have any cars to put their tires on!
Yeah, I hear ya. They'll definitely be hoping to make up for the last race, but I have a bad feeling they may not have any cars to put their tires on!
| artkevin | 06-27-2005 02:55 PM |
[QUOTE=REX8]Everyone doubting Juan huh? Got hosed leading the last race, fastest at Indy practice...what gives?[/QUOTE]
Thats my bad. This years top 8 is so damned hard to pick becuase there are so many good teams. I didn't even put a Red Bull in there but I bet they get in the top 8. JPM is my favorite driver too. Man do I suck at this or what?
Thats my bad. This years top 8 is so damned hard to pick becuase there are so many good teams. I didn't even put a Red Bull in there but I bet they get in the top 8. JPM is my favorite driver too. Man do I suck at this or what?
| REX8 | 06-27-2005 04:20 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]Thats my bad. This years top 8 is so damned hard to pick becuase there are so many good teams. I didn't even put a Red Bull in there but I bet they get in the top 8. JPM is my favorite driver too. Man do I suck at this or what?[/QUOTE]
Haha, no you're right, its not like it used to be. He'll probably DNF, but ever since his first year, when he put that move on Schumi, he's been my favorite. He'll get everything together one of these days...
Haha, no you're right, its not like it used to be. He'll probably DNF, but ever since his first year, when he put that move on Schumi, he's been my favorite. He'll get everything together one of these days...
| artkevin | 06-27-2005 04:37 PM |
I started watching racing when JPM was doing so well in CART so I just followed him since then. That move in Brazil was awesome right up till Joss thought it would be agood idea to break test the leader of the race!
| finnRex | 06-27-2005 08:38 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]I hope they just get fined and have to buy the USGP ticket holders next years tickets and be done with it.[/QUOTE]
1234....FIFFFF!!!!
As far as the French GP goes, I'm gonna have to hold off 'til Wednesday just in case;) Kudos to Kevin for picking early....
Mika(wimpy;) )
1234....FIFFFF!!!!
As far as the French GP goes, I'm gonna have to hold off 'til Wednesday just in case;) Kudos to Kevin for picking early....
Mika(wimpy;) )
| ArtGecko | 06-27-2005 08:43 PM |
Kevin,
You can change your picks. Just make new ones and they over-ride the previous. I did that last time and it was a wash (DC for Webber - 6 points either way.)
I'll pick Wednesday or Thursday!
You can change your picks. Just make new ones and they over-ride the previous. I did that last time and it was a wash (DC for Webber - 6 points either way.)
I'll pick Wednesday or Thursday!
| artkevin | 06-27-2005 08:53 PM |
Cool, thanks. I just do the top 8 here. I got no balls to do it offically.
| SolbergWRCfan | 06-29-2005 01:42 AM |
1.) J.Montoya
2.) K.Raikkonen
3.) F.Alonso
4.) M.Schumacher
5.) J.Trulli
6.) J.Button
7.) G.Fisichella
8.) R.Schumacher
Jon
2.) K.Raikkonen
3.) F.Alonso
4.) M.Schumacher
5.) J.Trulli
6.) J.Button
7.) G.Fisichella
8.) R.Schumacher
Jon
| rupertberr | 06-29-2005 11:17 AM |
"The seven Michelin-shod teams which have withdrawn from the United States Grand Prix � Renault, McLaren, Williams, Toyota, BAR, Red Bull and Sauber - have been proclaimed guilty of two of five charges of damaging Formula 1 at today�s World Motor Sport Council hearing in Paris.
In a press conference shortly after the hearing, FIA president Max Mosley revealed that the squads were guilty of �not being in possession of suitable tires� and �wrongfully refusing to start the race.�
(Click here to read the full set of charges).
No official proceedings from the hearing were allowed to reach the press. Mosley also unveiled September 14 as the date the penalties for the squads will be revealed, in an extraordinary meeting of the Council.
"The WMSC decided to adjourn discussion of penalty to an extraordinary meeting, when it will be seen what steps have been taken to compensate the fans," the FIA president stated.
"And also what steps have been taken by the Michelin teams to make sure nothing like this ever happens again. The final decision will then be made after that."
Michelin, however, faces no risk of exclusion from races or the championship, since it is a supplier rather than a competitor.
"The difficulty is the FIA has no relationship with the Michelin tire company, so we are in no position to impose a penalty on Michelin," Mosley admitted.
The immediate consequence of Mosley�s pronunciation is the confirmation that the Formula 1 world will finally return to business as usual at this weekend�s French GP, after two weeks full of political turmoil.
Still, possible race bans after the September 14 meeting are practically certain to be crucial, as the date, following round 16 in Belgium, will likely fall into the thick of the title chase with three races to go afterwards."
I smell a rat.
In a press conference shortly after the hearing, FIA president Max Mosley revealed that the squads were guilty of �not being in possession of suitable tires� and �wrongfully refusing to start the race.�
(Click here to read the full set of charges).
No official proceedings from the hearing were allowed to reach the press. Mosley also unveiled September 14 as the date the penalties for the squads will be revealed, in an extraordinary meeting of the Council.
"The WMSC decided to adjourn discussion of penalty to an extraordinary meeting, when it will be seen what steps have been taken to compensate the fans," the FIA president stated.
"And also what steps have been taken by the Michelin teams to make sure nothing like this ever happens again. The final decision will then be made after that."
Michelin, however, faces no risk of exclusion from races or the championship, since it is a supplier rather than a competitor.
"The difficulty is the FIA has no relationship with the Michelin tire company, so we are in no position to impose a penalty on Michelin," Mosley admitted.
The immediate consequence of Mosley�s pronunciation is the confirmation that the Formula 1 world will finally return to business as usual at this weekend�s French GP, after two weeks full of political turmoil.
Still, possible race bans after the September 14 meeting are practically certain to be crucial, as the date, following round 16 in Belgium, will likely fall into the thick of the title chase with three races to go afterwards."
I smell a rat.
| TimStevens | 06-29-2005 11:33 AM |
I'll refrain from posting my opinions on the verdict, but I will say that by delaying the penalty we'll at least get to see a full field for the next 5 or 6 GPs before the teams pull out after receiving their punishment.
| Longfury | 06-29-2005 12:48 PM |
Also Michelin announced yesterday that they will pay every fan back that was at the USGP. They will be refunded their ticket price via Michelin.
| Wr4wrX | 06-29-2005 04:26 PM |
[QUOTE=rupertberr]"The WMSC decided to adjourn discussion of penalty to an extraordinary meeting, when it will be seen what steps have been taken to compensate the fans," the FIA president stated.
"And also what steps have been taken by the Michelin teams to make sure nothing like this ever happens again. The final decision will then be made after that."[/QUOTE]
Why would a final decision come after the Michelin teams "make sure nothing like this ever happens again"? There are two different issues. The teams were found guilty of brining F1 into disrepute at the US GP. That is completely separate from anything that may occur in the future. If the Michelin teams have problems in the future, then they should go to court again. Their penalties shouldn't rest on how the teams perform in the future or on Michelin's future development. That's utterly ridiculous. That's like saying to a person who's just been found guilty of murder (or whatever else), "Okay, well, you've been found guilty of murder, but your sentencing will be in three months. If you don't kill anybody in the next few months, maybe your punishment won't be so bad." What the f'? The FIA, WMSC, FOM...man, somebody needs to clean house. Paul Stoddart is trying his best to do so.
[QUOTE=rupertberr]
Still, possible race bans after the September 14 meeting are practically certain to be crucial, as the date, following round 16 in Belgium, will likely fall into the thick of the title chase with three races to go afterwards."
I smell a rat.[/QUOTE]
Hmm... Hopefully Alonso or Kimi will be far enough ahead of Schumi in the points standings by that time. :D
"And also what steps have been taken by the Michelin teams to make sure nothing like this ever happens again. The final decision will then be made after that."[/QUOTE]
Why would a final decision come after the Michelin teams "make sure nothing like this ever happens again"? There are two different issues. The teams were found guilty of brining F1 into disrepute at the US GP. That is completely separate from anything that may occur in the future. If the Michelin teams have problems in the future, then they should go to court again. Their penalties shouldn't rest on how the teams perform in the future or on Michelin's future development. That's utterly ridiculous. That's like saying to a person who's just been found guilty of murder (or whatever else), "Okay, well, you've been found guilty of murder, but your sentencing will be in three months. If you don't kill anybody in the next few months, maybe your punishment won't be so bad." What the f'? The FIA, WMSC, FOM...man, somebody needs to clean house. Paul Stoddart is trying his best to do so.
[QUOTE=rupertberr]
Still, possible race bans after the September 14 meeting are practically certain to be crucial, as the date, following round 16 in Belgium, will likely fall into the thick of the title chase with three races to go afterwards."
I smell a rat.[/QUOTE]
Hmm... Hopefully Alonso or Kimi will be far enough ahead of Schumi in the points standings by that time. :D
| bemani | 06-29-2005 05:35 PM |
Leaving all this USGP crap aside - I'm very interested to see whether anyone would copy Sato's move in Canada, ie retire and go back into garage, fix up the car, come back out, do a few laps, and gain a few qualifying slots for the next race even though he's not running for points.
| MattDell | 06-29-2005 05:46 PM |
[QUOTE=Longfury]Also Michelin announced yesterday that they will pay every fan back that was at the USGP. They will be refunded their ticket price via Michelin.[/QUOTE]
That's... A LOT of money! :eek:
That's... A LOT of money! :eek:
| artkevin | 06-29-2005 05:54 PM |
[QUOTE=bemani]Leaving all this USGP crap aside - I'm very interested to see whether anyone would copy Sato's move in Canada, ie retire and go back into garage, fix up the car, come back out, do a few laps, and gain a few qualifying slots for the next race even though he's not running for points.[/QUOTE]
You know what? I didn't even think of that. I thought they were doing it for pure testing reasons but that makes pleanty of sense too.
You know what? I didn't even think of that. I thought they were doing it for pure testing reasons but that makes pleanty of sense too.
| ChrisW | 06-29-2005 06:24 PM |
[QUOTE=TimStevens]It's not Michelin who will withdraw, it'll be the teams, because they're the ones who will be getting the punishment this Weds.[/QUOTE]
and they did... The FIA put the blame on the teams.
How to kill F1 in 3 easy steps..:furious:
[url="http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/3726526"]http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/3726526[/url]
and they did... The FIA put the blame on the teams.
How to kill F1 in 3 easy steps..:furious:
[url="http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/3726526"]http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/3726526[/url]
| MattDell | 06-29-2005 07:50 PM |
[QUOTE=ChrisW][url="http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/3726526"]http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/3726526[/url][/QUOTE]
NASCAR (in the URL)? :huh:
NASCAR (in the URL)? :huh:
| MattDell | 06-29-2005 07:54 PM |
My picks:[list=1][*]Kimi Raikkonen[*]Juan Pablo Montoya[*]Fernando Alonso[*]Michael Schumacher[*]Rubens Barichello[*]Ralf Schumacher[*]Jenson Button[*]Takuma Sato[/list]
I'm really hoping Honda has a good showing here!
I'm really hoping Honda has a good showing here!
| Wr4wrX | 06-30-2005 02:47 AM |
My picks:
P1. Kimi
P2. Alonso
P3. Jense
P4. JPM
P5. Schumi Sr.
P6. Mark Webber
P7. Quick Nick
P8. Jarno Trulli
After about three weeks without a proper race I've sorta lost my marbles and have no idea what I was doing with my picks. But, yeah. Let's hope it's a good race and things are happy. :)
P1. Kimi
P2. Alonso
P3. Jense
P4. JPM
P5. Schumi Sr.
P6. Mark Webber
P7. Quick Nick
P8. Jarno Trulli
After about three weeks without a proper race I've sorta lost my marbles and have no idea what I was doing with my picks. But, yeah. Let's hope it's a good race and things are happy. :)
| RadarOnPaws | 06-30-2005 03:01 AM |
I honestly don't think JPM can consistently threaten KR. So far he hasn't really done it at all. He may have speed, but Kimi's a better racer, and as Gehard Berger found out so many times racing against Senna, being really quick on the occasional lap is not what it's all about.
I just don't see JPM making up a 50% points deficit to KR unless Kimi has a lot of engine or tire failures.
Maybe part of it is I just haven't figured JPM out. I think he's his own worst enemy sometimes, kind of like JV is (although at least JV has a personality).
I just don't see JPM making up a 50% points deficit to KR unless Kimi has a lot of engine or tire failures.
Maybe part of it is I just haven't figured JPM out. I think he's his own worst enemy sometimes, kind of like JV is (although at least JV has a personality).
| Wr4wrX | 06-30-2005 03:07 AM |
[QUOTE=RadarOnPaws]Maybe part of it is I just haven't figured JPM out. I think he's his own worst enemy sometimes, kind of like JV is (although at least JV has a personality).[/QUOTE]
JV might have a personality, but JPM has a hot wife. ;)
[SIZE=1](I have no idea what I mean by this. 'Kay...I think it's bed time.)[/SIZE]
JV might have a personality, but JPM has a hot wife. ;)
[SIZE=1](I have no idea what I mean by this. 'Kay...I think it's bed time.)[/SIZE]
| Bolster | 06-30-2005 04:26 AM |
IBFmakethemrunRE92's ;)
| grandpa rex | 06-30-2005 06:52 AM |
I really don't want to get into a flame war, but in reality, Michelin failed their teams and the sport by bringing the wrong equipment to the race. They should have known better, but failed. The FIA has no contrat with Michelin and therefore no leverage with them. Their only leverage is with the teams that chose to trust Michelin. The rules are very specific.
My pics for France, of couse, include Michelin runners at the top:
1. Raikkionen
2. Alonso
3. MS
4. JPM
5. Fisi
6. Button
7. Quick Nick
8. Sato
My pics for France, of couse, include Michelin runners at the top:
1. Raikkionen
2. Alonso
3. MS
4. JPM
5. Fisi
6. Button
7. Quick Nick
8. Sato
| Dr. WOT | 06-30-2005 09:03 AM |
I just want to see a race, is that so wrong? I have a sneaking suspicision B'stone and Ferrari have regained some form and might surprise us in France.
| AndyRoo | 06-30-2005 10:00 AM |
K.Raikkonen
F.Alonso
J.Montoya
M.Schumacher
J.Trulli
J.Button
M.Webber
N.Heidfeld
It is very hard to pick, so many people could be in the top 8.
- andrew
F.Alonso
J.Montoya
M.Schumacher
J.Trulli
J.Button
M.Webber
N.Heidfeld
It is very hard to pick, so many people could be in the top 8.
- andrew
| AttaQ | 06-30-2005 10:10 AM |
It is suprising to see several people choosing both BAR Honda's in the points, considering their track record this year.
I hope they get the ship righted and come back with a more competetive package in France.
I hope they get the ship righted and come back with a more competetive package in France.
| boxered | 06-30-2005 12:24 PM |
Amazing that MS doesn't make top 8 of some lists. I think it'll boil down to Kimi and MS once again and this time MS will find a way.
Podium
1. MS
2. Kimi
3. Alonso
Podium
1. MS
2. Kimi
3. Alonso
| OnTheGas | 06-30-2005 01:09 PM |
There's A Place In France Where The F1 Cars Will Dance!
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Weather forecast is for a hot, dry Sunday.
May I encourage everyone to share your opinions about the previous GP in the [URL=http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=788377]designated thread![/URL] It will be nice to just focus on the French GP, for those us looking for a respite.
Also, our group name at [URL=http://www.motorsport.com/compete/p6/index.asp?S=F1]the F1 Pick 6 competition[/URL] is "impreza.net", (an alternate domain name for nasioc.com). If you have never picked there, it's free, it's easy, it's the oldest F1 game on the net (goes back to the '80's prior to the web)!
So here's my picks:[list=1][*][b]Raikkonen[/b] - If Michelin is better than B'Stone @ Magny-Cours this year, then McLaren are likely to be better than Renault[*][b]M.Schumacher[/b] - But if B'Stone's tire for Ferrari is stout, then Michael could win, or at least podium.[*][b]Alonso[/b] - Should be on the podium, and may win.[*][b]Montoya[/b] - The second half of the season will see him faster than Kimi sometimes. And he may win this race, but consistancy is Juan's weakness, and Kimi's strength.[*][b]Barrichello[/b] - This is a tire war... Hopefully B'Stone is competitive.[*][b]Fisichella[/b] - If his damned Renault were more reliable, then the driver's championship would be very different right now.[*][b]Heidfeld[/b] - The strength of the BMW motor is an asset at Magny-Cours[*][b]Trulli[/b] - Toyota's strong motor, and Magny-Cours' billiard table smooth surface will hide Toyota's weakness of a piss poor chassis.[/list]Theoretically, BAR could easily be in the points, along with Red Bull whose new motor upgrade seemed to help very much on Friday and Saturday at Indy. And of course Sauber could move into the points as well. So very difficult picking the bottom half of the point paying positions these days!
May I encourage everyone to share your opinions about the previous GP in the [URL=http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=788377]designated thread![/URL] It will be nice to just focus on the French GP, for those us looking for a respite.
Also, our group name at [URL=http://www.motorsport.com/compete/p6/index.asp?S=F1]the F1 Pick 6 competition[/URL] is "impreza.net", (an alternate domain name for nasioc.com). If you have never picked there, it's free, it's easy, it's the oldest F1 game on the net (goes back to the '80's prior to the web)!
So here's my picks:[list=1][*][b]Raikkonen[/b] - If Michelin is better than B'Stone @ Magny-Cours this year, then McLaren are likely to be better than Renault[*][b]M.Schumacher[/b] - But if B'Stone's tire for Ferrari is stout, then Michael could win, or at least podium.[*][b]Alonso[/b] - Should be on the podium, and may win.[*][b]Montoya[/b] - The second half of the season will see him faster than Kimi sometimes. And he may win this race, but consistancy is Juan's weakness, and Kimi's strength.[*][b]Barrichello[/b] - This is a tire war... Hopefully B'Stone is competitive.[*][b]Fisichella[/b] - If his damned Renault were more reliable, then the driver's championship would be very different right now.[*][b]Heidfeld[/b] - The strength of the BMW motor is an asset at Magny-Cours[*][b]Trulli[/b] - Toyota's strong motor, and Magny-Cours' billiard table smooth surface will hide Toyota's weakness of a piss poor chassis.[/list]Theoretically, BAR could easily be in the points, along with Red Bull whose new motor upgrade seemed to help very much on Friday and Saturday at Indy. And of course Sauber could move into the points as well. So very difficult picking the bottom half of the point paying positions these days!
| ArtGecko | 06-30-2005 05:44 PM |
Pretty much the same picks as the last two events, with some changed at the bottom.
I don't know why I picked JV. I don't even much care for him. He's gotta score sometime, and his name just called out to me on the pick6 pulldown :lol:
K.Raikkonen
M.Schumacher
F.Alonso
J.Button
J.Montoya
N.Heidfeld
R.Barrichello
J.Villeneuve
Steve
(we've sure picked up some traffic here in our normally small little F1 discussion group!)
I don't know why I picked JV. I don't even much care for him. He's gotta score sometime, and his name just called out to me on the pick6 pulldown :lol:
K.Raikkonen
M.Schumacher
F.Alonso
J.Button
J.Montoya
N.Heidfeld
R.Barrichello
J.Villeneuve
Steve
(we've sure picked up some traffic here in our normally small little F1 discussion group!)
| artkevin | 06-30-2005 05:48 PM |
[QUOTE=ArtGecko]I don't know why I picked JV. I don't even much care for him. He's gotta score sometime, and his name just called out to me on the pick6 pulldown :lol:
[/QUOTE]
I didn't know you spoke whinney little French Canadian! :confused: :lol:
Good for him though, I like his driving but he needs to put up some results soon.
[/QUOTE]
I didn't know you spoke whinney little French Canadian! :confused: :lol:
Good for him though, I like his driving but he needs to put up some results soon.
| ArtGecko | 06-30-2005 06:46 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]I didn't know you spoke whinney little French Canadian! :confused: :lol:[/QUOTE]
:lol: Parlez vois whaaaaaaaaa?
:lol: Parlez vois whaaaaaaaaa?
| engineerx | 07-01-2005 03:06 AM |
If the tire guru engineers thought it was unsafe..... no one should argue with their decision (If in fact it was a valid safety concern). Not worth the lives of any of the drivers
Now, a refund should be given. And YES I would be majorly pissed if I had spend hundreds of $$ going to Indy, buying plane tickets, renting a car, using vacation time, etc... those expenses will never be refunded :(
Now, a refund should be given. And YES I would be majorly pissed if I had spend hundreds of $$ going to Indy, buying plane tickets, renting a car, using vacation time, etc... those expenses will never be refunded :(
| finnRex | 07-01-2005 06:02 AM |
Ok, now I feel better about making these picks.
1. Kimi- He had P2 last race, now he's feeling jiggy.
2. Michael- Will be seeing Kimi's tailpipes this race. Will push Kimi even, but not get past(unless its in the pits).
3. Alonso- Will mix it up with K.R. and Herr Schumacher and podium.
4. Webber- BMW puts together a good car for this fine chap.
5. JPM- Following the rest of the pack. Thinking about his hot wife(don't blame him).
6. Fisi- Tough qualifying, but will fight for points position.
7. Ralf- Still somewhat timid.
8. DC- Red Bull for the last point.
Mika
1. Kimi- He had P2 last race, now he's feeling jiggy.
2. Michael- Will be seeing Kimi's tailpipes this race. Will push Kimi even, but not get past(unless its in the pits).
3. Alonso- Will mix it up with K.R. and Herr Schumacher and podium.
4. Webber- BMW puts together a good car for this fine chap.
5. JPM- Following the rest of the pack. Thinking about his hot wife(don't blame him).
6. Fisi- Tough qualifying, but will fight for points position.
7. Ralf- Still somewhat timid.
8. DC- Red Bull for the last point.
Mika
| Wr4wrX | 07-01-2005 06:18 AM |
[QUOTE=finnRex]5. JPM- Following the rest of the pack. Thinking about his hot wife(don't blame him).[/QUOTE]
Hehehehehehe. :lol:
Hehehehehehe. :lol:
| rupertberr | 07-01-2005 08:41 AM |
Here are the picks I submitted yesterday:
1-F.Alonso-
2-K.Raikkonen
3-J.Montoya
4-G.Fisichella
5-M.Webber
6-M.Schumacher
7-J.Trulli
8-J.Button
1-F.Alonso-
2-K.Raikkonen
3-J.Montoya
4-G.Fisichella
5-M.Webber
6-M.Schumacher
7-J.Trulli
8-J.Button
| Dussander | 07-01-2005 11:09 AM |
Look at all the suckers who put Kimi in front of Monty... :)
<hopes Juan's motor holds together for the weekend>
Oh, did anyone else notice on practice they said Kimi was on a new (and revised) motor and Juan was on an old/used motor? I wish they would publish that stuff somewhere.
<hopes Juan's motor holds together for the weekend>
Oh, did anyone else notice on practice they said Kimi was on a new (and revised) motor and Juan was on an old/used motor? I wish they would publish that stuff somewhere.
| OnTheGas | 07-01-2005 11:36 AM |
Kimi's Motor Goes Kablooey Friday Afternoon
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Kimi's motor blew early in the Friday afternoon practice... McLaren will change it... Kimi will lose 10 positions on the starting grid.
Bad news for those of us who picked Kimi to win!
I'm guessing Kimi will qualify fat with fuel... With the short pit-lane here, team strategies can be from 2 stops to 4 stops, (Michael won last year on 4 stops). If Kimi is fat with fuel, he may start from 8th or 9th row. If he qualifies light, he could start on the 5th or 6th row...
Bad news for those of us who picked Kimi to win!
I'm guessing Kimi will qualify fat with fuel... With the short pit-lane here, team strategies can be from 2 stops to 4 stops, (Michael won last year on 4 stops). If Kimi is fat with fuel, he may start from 8th or 9th row. If he qualifies light, he could start on the 5th or 6th row...
| artkevin | 07-01-2005 11:48 AM |
I bet he starts from the pit lane. It seems now that its all about damage limitation. Hopefully JPM can get the win from Alonso and Kimi can get in the top 5 or 6 and salvage as many points as he can.
This long life engine rule sucks.
This long life engine rule sucks.
| OnTheGas | 07-01-2005 11:49 AM |
Friday Times Mean Little But...
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Here are the afternoon session times, nonetheless! :) [CODE]Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. de la Rosa McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:14.460 35
2. Montoya McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:15.129 + 0.669 21
3. M.Schumacher Ferrari (B) 1:15.204 + 0.744 24
4. Alonso Renault (M) 1:15.242 + 0.782 23
5. Fisichella Renault (M) 1:15.380 + 0.920 27
6. Panis Toyota (M) 1:15.483 + 1.023 37
7. Barrichello Ferrari (B) 1:15.605 + 1.145 27
8. Trulli Toyota (M) 1:15.774 + 1.314 24
9. R.Schumacher Toyota (M) 1:15.925 + 1.465 24
10. Coulthard Red Bull-Cosworth (M) 1:16.371 + 1.911 26
11. Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas (M) 1:16.430 + 1.970 25
12. Button BAR-Honda (M) 1:16.597 + 2.137 29
13. Massa Sauber-Petronas (M) 1:16.753 + 2.293 27
14. Sato BAR-Honda (M) 1:16.890 + 2.430 28
15. Liuzzi Red Bull-Cosworth (M) 1:16.987 + 2.527 25
16. Webber Williams-BMW (M) 1:17.107 + 2.647 27
17. Heidfeld Williams-BMW (M) 1:17.192 + 2.732 28
18. Doornbos Jordan-Toyota (B) 1:17.574 + 3.114 25
19. Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota (B) 1:17.790 + 3.330 23
20. Albers Minardi-Cosworth (B) 1:18.508 + 4.048 14
21. Friesacher Minardi-Cosworth (B) 1:18.814 + 4.354 25
22. Klien Red Bull-Cosworth (M) 1:18.897 + 4.437 5
23. Monteiro Jordan-Toyota (B) 1:19.186 + 4.726 18
24. Raikkonen McLaren-Mercedes (M) No Time 2[/CODE]Tempatures were 24C (mid 70s F) ambient, which is much cooler than Sunday's predicted high of 33C (~93F).
Historically, changes in ambient tempatures have strongly impacted handling here. With tomorrow's high predicted to be 27C, qualifying may not be pretty, if folks are 1 lap qualifying on hard compound tires. And Sunday may see some ill-handling cars dropping positions in the middle and end of the race.
1. de la Rosa McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:14.460 35
2. Montoya McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:15.129 + 0.669 21
3. M.Schumacher Ferrari (B) 1:15.204 + 0.744 24
4. Alonso Renault (M) 1:15.242 + 0.782 23
5. Fisichella Renault (M) 1:15.380 + 0.920 27
6. Panis Toyota (M) 1:15.483 + 1.023 37
7. Barrichello Ferrari (B) 1:15.605 + 1.145 27
8. Trulli Toyota (M) 1:15.774 + 1.314 24
9. R.Schumacher Toyota (M) 1:15.925 + 1.465 24
10. Coulthard Red Bull-Cosworth (M) 1:16.371 + 1.911 26
11. Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas (M) 1:16.430 + 1.970 25
12. Button BAR-Honda (M) 1:16.597 + 2.137 29
13. Massa Sauber-Petronas (M) 1:16.753 + 2.293 27
14. Sato BAR-Honda (M) 1:16.890 + 2.430 28
15. Liuzzi Red Bull-Cosworth (M) 1:16.987 + 2.527 25
16. Webber Williams-BMW (M) 1:17.107 + 2.647 27
17. Heidfeld Williams-BMW (M) 1:17.192 + 2.732 28
18. Doornbos Jordan-Toyota (B) 1:17.574 + 3.114 25
19. Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota (B) 1:17.790 + 3.330 23
20. Albers Minardi-Cosworth (B) 1:18.508 + 4.048 14
21. Friesacher Minardi-Cosworth (B) 1:18.814 + 4.354 25
22. Klien Red Bull-Cosworth (M) 1:18.897 + 4.437 5
23. Monteiro Jordan-Toyota (B) 1:19.186 + 4.726 18
24. Raikkonen McLaren-Mercedes (M) No Time 2[/CODE]Tempatures were 24C (mid 70s F) ambient, which is much cooler than Sunday's predicted high of 33C (~93F).
Historically, changes in ambient tempatures have strongly impacted handling here. With tomorrow's high predicted to be 27C, qualifying may not be pretty, if folks are 1 lap qualifying on hard compound tires. And Sunday may see some ill-handling cars dropping positions in the middle and end of the race.
| Dussander | 07-01-2005 12:16 PM |
I really hope Jordan can get the new car running soon and they can start fighting with other teams besides Minardi. If you look at the above results BAR, Sauber, and Williams were 1 second or less off the new Jordan (who knows about fuel though).
| MattDell | 07-03-2005 12:21 AM |
Glad to see Sato 4th on the grid! :cool:
| ArtGecko | 07-03-2005 09:44 AM |
[QUOTE=ArtGecko]
I don't know why I picked JV. I don't even much care for him. He's gotta score sometime, and his name just called out to me on the pick6 pulldown :lol:
K.Raikkonen 8
M.Schumacher 8
F.Alonso 6
J.Button 10
J.Montoya
N.Heidfeld
R.Barrichello
J.Villeneuve 10
Steve 42!
[/QUOTE]
Woot for JV! ;)
I don't know why I picked JV. I don't even much care for him. He's gotta score sometime, and his name just called out to me on the pick6 pulldown :lol:
K.Raikkonen 8
M.Schumacher 8
F.Alonso 6
J.Button 10
J.Montoya
N.Heidfeld
R.Barrichello
J.Villeneuve 10
Steve 42!
[/QUOTE]
Woot for JV! ;)
| finnRex | 07-03-2005 01:59 PM |
Not too shabby a job for the Kimster. Going from 13th to 2nd is pretty respectable. And he managed to get ahead of a certain JPM before he had hydraulic problems(with trans). Alonso was unstoppable. Great for him. In order for McLaren to challenge, Alonso will need to make a few big mistakes(which is possible, but not too likely), or Renault will need to have a few bad motors(not likely either).
It's turning into a decent championship race this season. Even though Alonso is pretty far ahead of his competition, his competition is also not the ones to be put aside. Kimi can run with Alonso, and so can Schumacher(duh!;) ). Definitely one of the more interesting seasons in the past few years.
Mika
It's turning into a decent championship race this season. Even though Alonso is pretty far ahead of his competition, his competition is also not the ones to be put aside. Kimi can run with Alonso, and so can Schumacher(duh!;) ). Definitely one of the more interesting seasons in the past few years.
Mika
| MattDell | 07-03-2005 03:44 PM |
Not a bad race. I was getting really excited about Sato, but then he tried to pass Trulli. :(
But Button got 4th, and that made it all better. :cool:
-Matt
But Button got 4th, and that made it all better. :cool:
-Matt
| Dussander | 07-03-2005 09:48 PM |
Look at all you fools who put Montoya in the points.... :(
Man, my guy just can't catch a break this season. Anyway, he should be looking good in Silverstone with the new improved (but hopefully holding together) motor at a horse-power track.
Montoya's blurb, because I'm the pimp:
[quote]I was really enjoying this race, and am disappointed to retire. I started to lose the power steering and then the gears which is what happens with a hydraulic failure so there was nothing I could do. We were on the right strategy and the car is simply unbelievable which makes it even harder to retire. I was on a different tyre to Kimi so it took a bit longer to get them warm, but I think that could have paid off towards the end of the race. I was stuck in a lot of traffic, but as soon as I was in free air I was able to close the gap and was really looking forward to being back on the podium. Obviously it means that once again I will have to start my qualifying run early at Silverstone but I'm getting used to it and anything can happen, so I look forward to the British Grand Prix because I'm sure a race win is just around the corner.[/quote]
It would be pretty cool if we could get Juan's quotes before the McLaren PR people help edit them. :D
Man, my guy just can't catch a break this season. Anyway, he should be looking good in Silverstone with the new improved (but hopefully holding together) motor at a horse-power track.
Montoya's blurb, because I'm the pimp:
[quote]I was really enjoying this race, and am disappointed to retire. I started to lose the power steering and then the gears which is what happens with a hydraulic failure so there was nothing I could do. We were on the right strategy and the car is simply unbelievable which makes it even harder to retire. I was on a different tyre to Kimi so it took a bit longer to get them warm, but I think that could have paid off towards the end of the race. I was stuck in a lot of traffic, but as soon as I was in free air I was able to close the gap and was really looking forward to being back on the podium. Obviously it means that once again I will have to start my qualifying run early at Silverstone but I'm getting used to it and anything can happen, so I look forward to the British Grand Prix because I'm sure a race win is just around the corner.[/quote]
It would be pretty cool if we could get Juan's quotes before the McLaren PR people help edit them. :D
| artkevin | 07-03-2005 10:18 PM |
[QUOTE=MattDell]Not a bad race. I was getting really excited about Sato, but then he tried to pass Trulli. :(
But Button got 4th, and that made it all better. :cool:
-Matt[/QUOTE]
I was pulling for Sato too. I was hoping he would be able to pull some super dirt track move to get that move to stick but it looks like he was carrying about mmmmm 45mph too much speed.
Sucks to be Fisichella. He can't get s*** right right now. I feel for him and hope his luck changes soon.
Kimi looks like hes ready to whoop up on some people with his pace. If he and Alonso can start close to each other its on.
KP
But Button got 4th, and that made it all better. :cool:
-Matt[/QUOTE]
I was pulling for Sato too. I was hoping he would be able to pull some super dirt track move to get that move to stick but it looks like he was carrying about mmmmm 45mph too much speed.
Sucks to be Fisichella. He can't get s*** right right now. I feel for him and hope his luck changes soon.
Kimi looks like hes ready to whoop up on some people with his pace. If he and Alonso can start close to each other its on.
KP
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