| Mako | 10-25-2003 01:10 PM |
If you weren't driving an AWD car, would you pick RWD or FWD for racing?
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I'm thinking about getting a beater second car to be used mostly for "what the heck" autocrosses and maybe even a track day or two. I'm wondering, if you had to choose between a FWD or RWD car, what would you choose and why? I'm aware of understeer vs oversteer being one of the main issues. What else? thanks,
Mako
Mako
| mch | 10-25-2003 02:26 PM |
RWD simply because that is what I grew up driving and am most comfortable with.
FWD if I was looking for the widest range of cheap cars with inexpensive replacement parts.
FWD if I was looking for the widest range of cheap cars with inexpensive replacement parts.
| MNbiker | 10-25-2003 02:48 PM |
I'd pick up a cheap 1st gen Miata. Lots of them around, ultra-reliable and great fun to drive.
-Steve
-Steve
| cfvwtuner | 10-25-2003 03:22 PM |
I'd pick up a VW. A2 shape cars are getting very cheap, parts are everywhere, cheap. They hold up to the abuse just fine.
Add an exhaust, rear sway bar and shocks/springs and it'll liven the car up alot!
Add an exhaust, rear sway bar and shocks/springs and it'll liven the car up alot!
| Kitsune | 10-25-2003 04:52 PM |
RWD, after autocrossing two FWD cars I'd not be keen to racing another one. RWD will be easier on tires as well as long as you do not light up the rears. With all the weight hanging over the front wheels, a FWD can really chew through tires, there is a lot more pressure on the front suspension as well. The only thing I like about FWD cars is the ability to use the hand-brake at will.
But you have exceptions...and whatever fits your driving style may work out better.
But you have exceptions...and whatever fits your driving style may work out better.
| Dolphin Overton | 10-25-2003 08:16 PM |
FWD is just fine for auto-x, but there is no way in hell i'd ever drive one again. I'd go for a fox body mustang or early 90's camaro/trans am.
| gbwrx | 10-26-2003 03:03 AM |
RWD looks like it would be a little bit more bun autocrossing. But I would get FWD cause that is what I always drove before AWD.
| Takashi | 10-26-2003 05:31 AM |
this woulda made a good poll... i think that i would go rwd. right now there are tons of great mid-90s sports cars out there: rx7 (so hottt!), supra, m3 (maintenance is a beyotch)... but if i could, i'd go with a 94 rx7. i'd need a daily driver though... ;)
| Kostamojen | 10-26-2003 05:58 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by MNbiker [/i]
[B]I'd pick up a cheap 1st gen Miata. Lots of them around, ultra-reliable and great fun to drive.
-Steve [/B][/QUOTE]
Ditto.
In fact, I almost gave up looking for an old school Impreza L and got a Miata cause for every L I found there were 8 million used miatas in great condition in my price range :p
[B]I'd pick up a cheap 1st gen Miata. Lots of them around, ultra-reliable and great fun to drive.
-Steve [/B][/QUOTE]
Ditto.
In fact, I almost gave up looking for an old school Impreza L and got a Miata cause for every L I found there were 8 million used miatas in great condition in my price range :p
| HoRo1 | 10-26-2003 12:13 PM |
RWD - [B]tends to be[/B] more HP, bigger, heavier. Therefore, drive components under more stress, therefore can be more expensive. Also, can be more exensive to buy.
FWD - [B]tends to be[/B] lower HP, smaller, lighter. Therefore less stress on drivetrain, so with luck, cheaper. Probably cheaper to buy.
I'm cheap, so I prefer FWD.
FWD - [B]tends to be[/B] lower HP, smaller, lighter. Therefore less stress on drivetrain, so with luck, cheaper. Probably cheaper to buy.
I'm cheap, so I prefer FWD.
| ellisnc | 10-26-2003 04:47 PM |
I think it's interesting how a whole lot of people that grew up on front drive imports like Civic's and Integras are now realizing that rear drive cars no matter what the make are a whole lot more fun and challenging to drive. I'm one of them... after having an S2000 for 6 months now I'll never go back to front drive.
| ITWRX4ME | 10-26-2003 05:38 PM |
RWD for sure.
| mistressmotorsports | 10-26-2003 07:30 PM |
Ditto, while my everyday car is an '03 WRX, my race car is a 1972 240Z with 300 hp and only 2200 lbs. Bring it on, you little 4 banger, fwd guys. Civics are great drivers, but fwd does not make for great fun on the track.
Mike
Mike
| thesmokingman | 10-26-2003 09:07 PM |
My other car is a RWD'ver...
| 8Complex | 10-27-2003 02:05 AM |
More then likely, RWD, but if it was strictly for track use, I'd really consider a FWD car.
| DubuRX | 10-27-2003 05:27 AM |
One suggestion:
Any year 240sx with a SR20DET swap. That is all.
Any year 240sx with a SR20DET swap. That is all.
| jbrennen | 10-27-2003 10:46 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Takashi [/i]
[B]right now there are tons of great mid-90s sports cars out there: rx7 (so hottt!), supra, m3 (maintenance is a beyotch)... but if i could, i'd go with a 94 rx7.[/B][/QUOTE]
Well, a 93-95 RX-7 is neither cheap to buy nor cheap to maintain. The original poster was looking for a "beater", and I can't imagine any definition of "beater" which would include this car. It's both exotic and rare -- the only twin turbo rotary engined car I've ever heard of, with only 14000 examples sold in the US.
I have a '94 RX-7 which has been gathering dust for the last six months since I bought my Evo, and I can't bring myself to sell it, because it is "so hottt"... :D
[B]right now there are tons of great mid-90s sports cars out there: rx7 (so hottt!), supra, m3 (maintenance is a beyotch)... but if i could, i'd go with a 94 rx7.[/B][/QUOTE]
Well, a 93-95 RX-7 is neither cheap to buy nor cheap to maintain. The original poster was looking for a "beater", and I can't imagine any definition of "beater" which would include this car. It's both exotic and rare -- the only twin turbo rotary engined car I've ever heard of, with only 14000 examples sold in the US.
I have a '94 RX-7 which has been gathering dust for the last six months since I bought my Evo, and I can't bring myself to sell it, because it is "so hottt"... :D
| ShockWave | 10-27-2003 11:37 AM |
Absolutely RWD. The fronts for turning and the rears for power. In fact, if I was going to start racing again, I would pick RWD over AWD as it's not as complex and doesn't eat through tires as quickly (which quickly turns into a big expense).
The 80's Camero/Firebird, first gen Mazda RX-7, and NA Nissan ZX series are great racing beaters. Very reliable and the parts aren't too expensive.
The 80's Camero/Firebird, first gen Mazda RX-7, and NA Nissan ZX series are great racing beaters. Very reliable and the parts aren't too expensive.
| Butt Dyno | 10-27-2003 12:04 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jbrennen [/i]
[B]Well, a 93-95 RX-7 is neither cheap to buy nor cheap to maintain. The original poster was looking for a "beater", and I can't imagine any definition of "beater" which would include this car. It's both exotic and rare -- the only twin turbo rotary engined car I've ever heard of, with only 14000 examples sold in the US.
I have a '94 RX-7 which has been gathering dust for the last six months since I bought my Evo, and I can't bring myself to sell it, because it is "so hottt"... :D [/B][/QUOTE]
*drooool* I almost bought a red '93 R1 with 60K for $16K before deciding I wanted a warranty...
<hijack>what color... what model... pics? </hijack>
-bd
[B]Well, a 93-95 RX-7 is neither cheap to buy nor cheap to maintain. The original poster was looking for a "beater", and I can't imagine any definition of "beater" which would include this car. It's both exotic and rare -- the only twin turbo rotary engined car I've ever heard of, with only 14000 examples sold in the US.
I have a '94 RX-7 which has been gathering dust for the last six months since I bought my Evo, and I can't bring myself to sell it, because it is "so hottt"... :D [/B][/QUOTE]
*drooool* I almost bought a red '93 R1 with 60K for $16K before deciding I wanted a warranty...
<hijack>what color... what model... pics? </hijack>
-bd
| paultg | 10-27-2003 12:08 PM |
RWD for fun.
I'm in search of a 94/95 Mustang GT now actually. They aren't hard to find, so I'm in search of the funds I guess. :D
Paul G.
I'm in search of a 94/95 Mustang GT now actually. They aren't hard to find, so I'm in search of the funds I guess. :D
Paul G.
| Mako | 10-27-2003 04:54 PM |
Great advice!
The Miatas I need top look into. I was considering an old BMW 2002, maybe a Datsun 510, or an old 240, 60 or 80Z. Or even a Saab Sonnet.
The Miatas I need top look into. I was considering an old BMW 2002, maybe a Datsun 510, or an old 240, 60 or 80Z. Or even a Saab Sonnet.
| WORWRX | 10-27-2003 06:58 PM |
RWD
-BMW E30
-Mazda Miata
-BMW E30
-Mazda Miata
| rallynutdon | 10-28-2003 12:59 PM |
God didn't give us 2 axles so the one of them could do all the work, turning and powering. In that case the only reason for the rear axle is to keep the muffler from dragging. RWD.
| ITWRX4ME | 10-28-2003 02:32 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mako [/i]
[B] Saab Sonnet. [/B][/QUOTE]
FWD???
[B] Saab Sonnet. [/B][/QUOTE]
FWD???
| jmott | 10-28-2003 02:35 PM |
RWD pros - weight transfer under power HELPS you get more traction, you will have more accelerative ability than FWD all else being equal
more ability to control the car with the throttle
more even use of the front and rear tires
FWD pros - cost, weight
more ability to control the car with the throttle
more even use of the front and rear tires
FWD pros - cost, weight
| Richard_CR | 10-28-2003 06:01 PM |
I'd go mid-engine rear drive for racing, especially auto-X.
Toyota MR2 to be precise...
Toyota MR2 to be precise...
| TV3WRX | 10-29-2003 10:12 AM |
RWD, 81/82 Toyota Starlet.
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Rare, but can be had very cheap. It's RWD, and featherweight, like 1800lbs soaking wet, which easily gets down to 1600 stripped. Stock motor is real weak, so you swap in a 4AG corrolla engine/tranny, or even an MR2 motor. There is even a guy out there with a Formula Atlantic version of the 4AG (around 260hp), but obviously that motor is not cheap. Even with a non-tuned Corrolla motor in it, you have a very very fun and fast track car. Damn good rally car too.
If you are not into something that "different", it's hard to top early 90's Miata's for fun per dollar. Porsche 912's are fun/cheap, and lots of bigger motorswap options. Non-turbo 944's are cheap too.
If you are not into something that "different", it's hard to top early 90's Miata's for fun per dollar. Porsche 912's are fun/cheap, and lots of bigger motorswap options. Non-turbo 944's are cheap too.
| WRX_Mundi | 10-29-2003 12:34 PM |
RWD, and [i]light[/i]. Light is good in autocrossing, and lots of fun too. My old stock 1996 Miata is, in my opinion, more fun to autocross, even though it is a consistent 2+ seconds per run slower than my STi. You can rotate it easily, you can toss it into corners, you hear everything (top down of course), it steers like a dream vs. the STi, the shifter is oodles better than the STi, and you sit nice and low. You also have lots of time between corners to think about things, relative to the STi where you hold on for dear life as it rockets out, then you have to hit the brakes right away to get yourself slowed down.
A 1.6L Miata would be fun, competitive, and should be pretty cheap. In CS you need a 1999 Sport ideally, but any Miata will be fun. An MR2 Spyder would do as well. An S2000 or S2200 would be great if you want to spend more (and has a lot more power to boot). A supercharged Miata might be fun if you want to go that route. Various older cars of course. Lotus Super Seven clone? Kart? As usual, tires will make a big performance difference if you care -- my Miata was within a tenth of the region winner's MR2 Spyder when we were both on Azenis, but once he put on Victoracers he was 2-2.5 seconds faster -- consistently.
We did a common car challenge autocross, which was fun. We drove a Camaro SS (RWD) and a Nissan Sentra Spec V Type R (if one believes all the badging) (FWD). The Nissan handled like ****e (in my opinion). The Camaro handled better, but was heavy and had too much power for the rear wheel grip. OF course neither was on good rubber (the poor Nissan was almost impossible to launch without lighting up the fronts), and who knows what the heck alignment they had. But it didn't do wonders for my feelings about FWD.
A 1.6L Miata would be fun, competitive, and should be pretty cheap. In CS you need a 1999 Sport ideally, but any Miata will be fun. An MR2 Spyder would do as well. An S2000 or S2200 would be great if you want to spend more (and has a lot more power to boot). A supercharged Miata might be fun if you want to go that route. Various older cars of course. Lotus Super Seven clone? Kart? As usual, tires will make a big performance difference if you care -- my Miata was within a tenth of the region winner's MR2 Spyder when we were both on Azenis, but once he put on Victoracers he was 2-2.5 seconds faster -- consistently.
We did a common car challenge autocross, which was fun. We drove a Camaro SS (RWD) and a Nissan Sentra Spec V Type R (if one believes all the badging) (FWD). The Nissan handled like ****e (in my opinion). The Camaro handled better, but was heavy and had too much power for the rear wheel grip. OF course neither was on good rubber (the poor Nissan was almost impossible to launch without lighting up the fronts), and who knows what the heck alignment they had. But it didn't do wonders for my feelings about FWD.
| PPower | 10-29-2003 03:04 PM |
I would definitely get a 1st gen Miata if you have the money and space. It isn't fast, but that helps you learn/perfect some driving basics. You can always supercharge it later if you want and/or start stripping out the A/C and such. It is the type of car that you can have so much fun going moderate speeds. The only one I drove was back in like 92, and it was a base model with the steel wheels & crappy tires. I still had a blast because it was so easy to get a perfect 4 wheel drift. Everything about it was amazing, but it's just too small for a daily driver.
| OAKOS Automotive | 10-29-2003 11:43 PM |
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| Kostamojen | 10-30-2003 02:11 AM |
I want a 1rst gen Miata with an Renesis Rotary engine :p
| johnfelstead | 10-30-2003 06:15 PM |
Has to be RWD, it's much more fun to drive than FWD.
| HoRo1 | 10-30-2003 06:22 PM |
Re: RWD, 81/82 Toyota Starlet.
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by TV3WRX [/i]
[B]Rare, but can be had very cheap. It's RWD, and featherweight, like 1800lbs soaking wet, which easily gets down to 1600 stripped. Stock motor is real weak, so you swap in a 4AG corrolla engine/tranny, or even an MR2 motor. There is even a guy out there with a Formula Atlantic version of the 4AG (around 260hp), but obviously that motor is not cheap. Even with a non-tuned Corrolla motor in it, you have a very very fun and fast track car. Damn good rally car too.
If you are not into something that "different", it's hard to top early 90's Miata's for fun per dollar. Porsche 912's are fun/cheap, and lots of bigger motorswap options. Non-turbo 944's are cheap too. [/B][/QUOTE]
HEHE! I was at Laguna Seca earlier this year and a guy there had a 400+HP Starlet turbo racer! Brave!
[B]Rare, but can be had very cheap. It's RWD, and featherweight, like 1800lbs soaking wet, which easily gets down to 1600 stripped. Stock motor is real weak, so you swap in a 4AG corrolla engine/tranny, or even an MR2 motor. There is even a guy out there with a Formula Atlantic version of the 4AG (around 260hp), but obviously that motor is not cheap. Even with a non-tuned Corrolla motor in it, you have a very very fun and fast track car. Damn good rally car too.
If you are not into something that "different", it's hard to top early 90's Miata's for fun per dollar. Porsche 912's are fun/cheap, and lots of bigger motorswap options. Non-turbo 944's are cheap too. [/B][/QUOTE]
HEHE! I was at Laguna Seca earlier this year and a guy there had a 400+HP Starlet turbo racer! Brave!
| mlambert | 10-30-2003 06:27 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Richard_CR [/i]
[B]I'd go mid-engine rear drive for racing, especially auto-X.
Toyota MR2 to be precise... [/B][/QUOTE]
now youre talkin!
[B]I'd go mid-engine rear drive for racing, especially auto-X.
Toyota MR2 to be precise... [/B][/QUOTE]
now youre talkin!
| TV3WRX | 10-30-2003 06:46 PM |
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I'd like to have seen that Starlet run at Laguna Seca. Was it nicely built? Was he running quick laps? There are a few really well done turbo'd ones in NorCal. I almost bought one a few months back. I've considered bringing in a RHD Starlet GT used from Japan, and setting it up just for track. You can get one for around +/- $1000 plus shipping. It's already turbo'd, so it would just be a matter of stripping it and tuning it. Dang I love those little buggers.:huh:
| spidey02wrx | 10-30-2003 06:56 PM |
there's a really nice guy running a very quick starlet locally
for those that are trying to picture the beast here you go...
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[URL=http://www.plaftaphoto.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album09&id=IMG_8179]starlet pic[/URL]
so nice, so quick...so simple. easy on tires cause of the wieght and the engine absolutely screams. The only "problem" is the short wheelbase.
for those that are trying to picture the beast here you go...
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[URL=http://www.plaftaphoto.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album09&id=IMG_8179]starlet pic[/URL]
so nice, so quick...so simple. easy on tires cause of the wieght and the engine absolutely screams. The only "problem" is the short wheelbase.
| TV3WRX | 10-30-2003 07:22 PM |
Yes indeed
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Hey, that's a nice one. Cool. Thanks, Spidey. I know they don't look like much, what with the funky funky rear-view mirrors and all, but to me those things are just killer. Ahhh.
Oh yes, it WILL be mine. Oh yes.
Do you know if he is running stock motor, or did he put a 4AG in it?
Oh yes, it WILL be mine. Oh yes.
Do you know if he is running stock motor, or did he put a 4AG in it?
| slim speedy | 10-31-2003 12:51 AM |
Lower hp FWD would be ok for autox, but I would stay away with anything with much power, especially a turbo FWD.... Such as say my FWD turbo DSM, that thing is very hard to autox without just lighting up the tires constantly. I think a light low hp FWD car would be a lot of fun, as would any rear wheel drive car, you may want to consider an AWD DSM too, they are cheap and tons of fun.
| jbrennen | 10-31-2003 01:11 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by slim speedy [/i]
[B]Lower hp FWD would be ok for autox, but I would stay away with anything with much power, especially a turbo FWD.... Such as say my FWD turbo DSM, that thing is very hard to autox without just lighting up the tires constantly.[/B][/QUOTE]
Our "family car" is a 236 HP turbo FWD Volvo S70T5. It kicks butt in a straight line, but I imagine it would be a very frustrating car to autoX. So much power, but impossible to use it while turning.
[B]Lower hp FWD would be ok for autox, but I would stay away with anything with much power, especially a turbo FWD.... Such as say my FWD turbo DSM, that thing is very hard to autox without just lighting up the tires constantly.[/B][/QUOTE]
Our "family car" is a 236 HP turbo FWD Volvo S70T5. It kicks butt in a straight line, but I imagine it would be a very frustrating car to autoX. So much power, but impossible to use it while turning.
| JGard | 10-31-2003 07:54 AM |
definitely RWD.
Once I start AutoXing my RX7 next spring, I can let you know how good it is :)
Once I start AutoXing my RX7 next spring, I can let you know how good it is :)
| slim speedy | 10-31-2003 03:59 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jbrennen [/i]
[B]Our "family car" is a 236 HP turbo FWD Volvo S70T5. It kicks butt in a straight line, but I imagine it would be a very frustrating car to autoX. So much power, but impossible to use it while turning. [/B][/QUOTE]
Hey Jack you should bring out he Volvo sometime and I'll bring my laser, we can have a battle for slowest FWD :lol:
[B]Our "family car" is a 236 HP turbo FWD Volvo S70T5. It kicks butt in a straight line, but I imagine it would be a very frustrating car to autoX. So much power, but impossible to use it while turning. [/B][/QUOTE]
Hey Jack you should bring out he Volvo sometime and I'll bring my laser, we can have a battle for slowest FWD :lol:
| jbrennen | 10-31-2003 04:53 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by slim speedy [/i]
[B]Hey Jack you should bring out he Volvo sometime and I'll bring my laser, we can have a battle for slowest FWD :lol: [/B][/QUOTE]
Not sure what class you're in, I'd have to run DSP due to wheels wider than stock. Losing by 10 seconds or more to James and Eric... Hmm, I'll think about it. :lol:
[B]Hey Jack you should bring out he Volvo sometime and I'll bring my laser, we can have a battle for slowest FWD :lol: [/B][/QUOTE]
Not sure what class you're in, I'd have to run DSP due to wheels wider than stock. Losing by 10 seconds or more to James and Eric... Hmm, I'll think about it. :lol:
| slim speedy | 11-01-2003 01:43 AM |
I run the laser with street tires in SM, its basically stock other than the turbo, and a few other little things. So it ussually loses by quite a large margin as well, but its still fun, so who cares. Plus I get tired of getting beat by the same STS people all the time, so its a nice change of pace to get beat by the SM people instead :lol:
| Butt Dyno | 11-01-2003 10:01 AM |
BTW Jack if you're lending out cars, bring the FD sometime ;)
-john
-john
| RogersWRX | 04-25-2005 10:14 AM |
If it's a second car.. RWD or definitely... they can be tuned to handle SO much better, because of the weight distribution... Early Miata or MR2 comes to mind...
Otherwise in FWD you can't go wrong with an early VW Rabbit or Honda Civic hatch/CRX
Otherwise in FWD you can't go wrong with an early VW Rabbit or Honda Civic hatch/CRX
| cooleyjb | 04-25-2005 10:21 AM |
[QUOTE=MNbiker]I'd pick up a cheap 1st gen Miata. Lots of them around, ultra-reliable and great fun to drive.
-Steve[/QUOTE]
Sorta funny how this mostly came true.
-Steve[/QUOTE]
Sorta funny how this mostly came true.
| turboICE | 04-25-2005 11:06 AM |
240SX - forget the sr20det on a beater or anything you want to have classed in any type of competition. The KA24 has plenty of torque and is easier to maintain and costs less to run. Focus on getting the suspension right and the 240SX can be used for a very long time to learn how to drive well and fast.
| SCoach | 04-25-2005 12:32 PM |
Show me any form of racing where FWD either wins consistently, or is a desired option...
The balance in FWD is ALL off for racing purposes (and for the street for that matter). Think about the autocross scenario. As you approach your turn and get set up for it, you brake at the braking point, and initiate the turn. At this point, you are asking your front wheels to turn under maximum load (most of vehicle weight shifts forward under breaking). Your tire contact patch is being asked to do a LOT. As you carry speed into the turn, the weight shifts outside, and begins to shift back to the rear. If your speed is slightly too high, you'll push through the turn, commonly known as understeering. The small contact patches can't maintain grip under that load.
When you add the transaxle to the front of the car, you worsen this problem. This is why FWD cars tend to understeer severely. A properly set up RWD car with similar weight and power, and with a similar driver, will whip you all day at the track.
Buy RWD, learn handling dynamics, kick butt at the track. Easy! :)
The balance in FWD is ALL off for racing purposes (and for the street for that matter). Think about the autocross scenario. As you approach your turn and get set up for it, you brake at the braking point, and initiate the turn. At this point, you are asking your front wheels to turn under maximum load (most of vehicle weight shifts forward under breaking). Your tire contact patch is being asked to do a LOT. As you carry speed into the turn, the weight shifts outside, and begins to shift back to the rear. If your speed is slightly too high, you'll push through the turn, commonly known as understeering. The small contact patches can't maintain grip under that load.
When you add the transaxle to the front of the car, you worsen this problem. This is why FWD cars tend to understeer severely. A properly set up RWD car with similar weight and power, and with a similar driver, will whip you all day at the track.
Buy RWD, learn handling dynamics, kick butt at the track. Easy! :)
| KC | 04-25-2005 01:14 PM |
SCoach... evidently you aren't familiar with Honda Challenge, CSP or STS/STX Civics... heck, the Type-R is one of the best FWD sport cars ever made and would outhandle a WRX.
That said, I had AWD for the past 6 years... before that FWD, and now RWD. I liked the way my Wagon was setup, but the 8 is tons of fun. ;)
--kC
That said, I had AWD for the past 6 years... before that FWD, and now RWD. I liked the way my Wagon was setup, but the 8 is tons of fun. ;)
--kC
| greg donovan | 04-25-2005 01:24 PM |
i think i would get a shifter kart. RWD rear engine and light. full throttle all the time.
| afpdl | 04-25-2005 01:26 PM |
[QUOTE=greg donovan] full throttle all the time.[/QUOTE]
Let me know how that works out for ya :lol:
[QUOTE=SCoach]Show me any form of racing where FWD either wins consistently, or is a desired option...
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There are many classes and racing series where the car to have is FWD.
Let me know how that works out for ya :lol:
[QUOTE=SCoach]Show me any form of racing where FWD either wins consistently, or is a desired option...
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There are many classes and racing series where the car to have is FWD.
| Butt Dyno | 04-25-2005 01:27 PM |
[QUOTE=cooleyjb]Sorta funny how this mostly came true.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I ended up buying a '93 Miata too :)
If my WRX got hit by a tree though, and I had a garage, I would have to think about an ITR..
Yeah, I ended up buying a '93 Miata too :)
If my WRX got hit by a tree though, and I had a garage, I would have to think about an ITR..
| AlpineFD | 04-25-2005 02:22 PM |
RWD because it's so much fun :)
| jmolaver | 04-25-2005 03:26 PM |
Vote #142 for the miata.. You should be able to pick up an early one for >$5,000.. If you get bored you can drop the supercharger/turbo in there or you can prep it for Spec Miata and run wheel to wheel :D
| Butt Dyno | 04-25-2005 03:32 PM |
[QUOTE=jmolaver]Vote #142 for the miata.. You should be able to pick up an early one for >$5,000.. If you get bored you can drop the supercharger/turbo in there or you can prep it for Spec Miata and run wheel to wheel :D[/QUOTE]
Hell no.. you can get an early one in great shape for $3000.. I got my '93 with 60K for $3400..
Hell no.. you can get an early one in great shape for $3000.. I got my '93 with 60K for $3400..
| REXLR8 | 04-25-2005 03:45 PM |
miata, i have one and i would cinsider it a near perfect handling car. with suspension work and rims/tires youd be hard pressed to find anything else as fun to drive. and by suspension work i mean struts and springs.its just a great car honestly and it would get my vote every time for a inexpensive,weekend autox/road racer
| endeavor | 04-25-2005 04:45 PM |
With disposable income and being a little apprehensive about turning my WRX into a real track car, I've been toying with the Miata idea myself.
For you guys that have gone the Miata route, about how much does it cost to turn a ~10 year-old Miata into a sound track car (no FI), assuming you start off with a mechanically sound vehicle?
EDIT: Assume you turn your own wrench :)
For you guys that have gone the Miata route, about how much does it cost to turn a ~10 year-old Miata into a sound track car (no FI), assuming you start off with a mechanically sound vehicle?
EDIT: Assume you turn your own wrench :)
| Butt Dyno | 04-25-2005 04:56 PM |
[QUOTE=endeavor]With disposable income and being a little apprehensive about turning my WRX into a real track car, I've been toying with the Miata idea myself.
For you guys that have gone the Miata route, about how much does it cost to turn a ~10 year-old Miata into a sound track car (no FI), assuming you start off with a mechanically sound vehicle?
EDIT: Assume you turn your own wrench :)[/QUOTE]
For me:
Car $3400
Welded-in Piper Motorsport rollbar, 2 Sparco Evos, 2 Sparco 6-pt 3" harnesses $2600
Hardtop, striker plates $1100
Axxis Ultimates F/R $80
Super blue $already had it
195-60-14 Falken Azenis $160 (used once)
Miata 'R' suspension (Bilsteins) $200
So ~$7500 for the guts.. plus some other stuff (headlight bulbs, battery, defroster parts for the hardtop, taxes/registration, etc etc).
You could do the seats/harnesses cheaper, and get a bolt-in pre-fabbed rollbar to save $ there.
john
For you guys that have gone the Miata route, about how much does it cost to turn a ~10 year-old Miata into a sound track car (no FI), assuming you start off with a mechanically sound vehicle?
EDIT: Assume you turn your own wrench :)[/QUOTE]
For me:
Car $3400
Welded-in Piper Motorsport rollbar, 2 Sparco Evos, 2 Sparco 6-pt 3" harnesses $2600
Hardtop, striker plates $1100
Axxis Ultimates F/R $80
Super blue $already had it
195-60-14 Falken Azenis $160 (used once)
Miata 'R' suspension (Bilsteins) $200
So ~$7500 for the guts.. plus some other stuff (headlight bulbs, battery, defroster parts for the hardtop, taxes/registration, etc etc).
You could do the seats/harnesses cheaper, and get a bolt-in pre-fabbed rollbar to save $ there.
john
| endeavor | 04-25-2005 05:54 PM |
Yeah I might skip the hardtop and the racing seats/harness, but the lack of an LSD would probably bother me on the 1.6s. Oh well.
Thanks for the input :)
Thanks for the input :)
| Butt Dyno | 04-25-2005 05:57 PM |
[QUOTE=endeavor]Yeah I might skip the hardtop and the racing seats/harness, but the lack of an LSD would probably bother me on the 1.6s. Oh well.
Thanks for the input :)[/QUOTE]
Some of the 1.6's (like mine! :D ) have a viscous LSD.. not great, but better than nothing. There is always the Torsen swap from the 1.8, don't know how expensive it is though.
I doubt there are many LSD-equipped RWD cars in the $3K range..
Thanks for the input :)[/QUOTE]
Some of the 1.6's (like mine! :D ) have a viscous LSD.. not great, but better than nothing. There is always the Torsen swap from the 1.8, don't know how expensive it is though.
I doubt there are many LSD-equipped RWD cars in the $3K range..
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