| Jon Bogert | 05-21-2002 11:50 PM |
[QUOTE]What are you looking at for a time line?[/QUOTE]
You sound like my wife. :lol: I'm waiting for my mechanic to make time for the chassis mods, but after that it should go quickly.
The motor is bone stock, complete with harness and ECU, so that's one less headache. I don't know how well the stock headers will handle a bit of cut and weld--we may have to do something more elaborate.
I have the S2000 propshaft, which will be shortened and adapted to the Ford 7" diff. I'm trying to source a Quaife or Ford LSD and a very low cwp--4.44 or 4.7.
Brakes, suspension, wiring, instruments, etc, etc...
They estimate 150 or so hours (ha!), but I'm just hoping to have it done for our track day on October 18.
You sound like my wife. :lol: I'm waiting for my mechanic to make time for the chassis mods, but after that it should go quickly.
The motor is bone stock, complete with harness and ECU, so that's one less headache. I don't know how well the stock headers will handle a bit of cut and weld--we may have to do something more elaborate.
I have the S2000 propshaft, which will be shortened and adapted to the Ford 7" diff. I'm trying to source a Quaife or Ford LSD and a very low cwp--4.44 or 4.7.
Brakes, suspension, wiring, instruments, etc, etc...
They estimate 150 or so hours (ha!), but I'm just hoping to have it done for our track day on October 18.
| Patrick Olsen | 05-22-2002 12:19 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Jon Bogert [/i]
[B]I have the S2000 propshaft, which will be shortened and adapted to the Ford 7" diff. I'm trying to source a Quaife or Ford LSD and a very low cwp--4.44 or 4.7.[/B][/QUOTE]
What is the 7" diff sourced from? I'm a Mustanger, so I'm familiar with the 7.5", 8.8", and 9" rears, but I've never heard of a 7".
As for diffs, the only Ford LSD I know of is the Traction-Lok, which is decent, but a Quaife or Torsen would be light-years better. I'm upgrading the 8.8" in my Mustang from the stock T-Lok (rebuilt with extra friction plates) to a Torsen T-2R, which I'm told will completely change the way the car handles the corners. Since I'm not sure what the 7" diff is, I don't even know if the T-Lok exists for it. The one advantage of the T-Lok is that it is easily rebuildable.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Jon Bogert [/i]
[B]They estimate 150 or so hours (ha!), but I'm just hoping to have it done for our track day on October 18. [/B][/QUOTE]
Sounds like a reasonable goal. Good luck!
Pat
[B]I have the S2000 propshaft, which will be shortened and adapted to the Ford 7" diff. I'm trying to source a Quaife or Ford LSD and a very low cwp--4.44 or 4.7.[/B][/QUOTE]
What is the 7" diff sourced from? I'm a Mustanger, so I'm familiar with the 7.5", 8.8", and 9" rears, but I've never heard of a 7".
As for diffs, the only Ford LSD I know of is the Traction-Lok, which is decent, but a Quaife or Torsen would be light-years better. I'm upgrading the 8.8" in my Mustang from the stock T-Lok (rebuilt with extra friction plates) to a Torsen T-2R, which I'm told will completely change the way the car handles the corners. Since I'm not sure what the 7" diff is, I don't even know if the T-Lok exists for it. The one advantage of the T-Lok is that it is easily rebuildable.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Jon Bogert [/i]
[B]They estimate 150 or so hours (ha!), but I'm just hoping to have it done for our track day on October 18. [/B][/QUOTE]
Sounds like a reasonable goal. Good luck!
Pat
| johnfelstead | 05-22-2002 12:36 PM |
the rear diff in my westfield was the unit from the sierra XR4x4, thats 7" and mine used the ratio of 3.68:1 with a viscous LSD. I put 330BHP through that no problem.
The Diff on the 2WD cosworth is a 7.5" unit, not sure on the Mercur XR4Ti but that will probably be either a 7" or 7.5" unit. We run a 9" rear diff on the rally car but thats overkill for you, costs a small fortune also.
You can get these diffs in diferent ratios including 4.4:1, thats quite a common ratio used in forest rallying. I can put you in touch with a company that can sell you a ford 7" diff assembly, you can even get the Viscous LSD uprated to make it more agresive if you like. Drop me a mail if you think it would help.
One thing to bear in mind is the 7" diff uses a diferent driveshaft output flange size to the 7.5" unit.
this is what the ford 7" unit look like.
[img]http://www.westfield-sportscars.co.uk/parts/upload/diff3.jpg[/img]
The Diff on the 2WD cosworth is a 7.5" unit, not sure on the Mercur XR4Ti but that will probably be either a 7" or 7.5" unit. We run a 9" rear diff on the rally car but thats overkill for you, costs a small fortune also.
You can get these diffs in diferent ratios including 4.4:1, thats quite a common ratio used in forest rallying. I can put you in touch with a company that can sell you a ford 7" diff assembly, you can even get the Viscous LSD uprated to make it more agresive if you like. Drop me a mail if you think it would help.
One thing to bear in mind is the 7" diff uses a diferent driveshaft output flange size to the 7.5" unit.
this is what the ford 7" unit look like.
[img]http://www.westfield-sportscars.co.uk/parts/upload/diff3.jpg[/img]
| Jack | 05-29-2002 01:50 PM |
I have built a Factory Five (thus the screen name). 5k mile Explorer V8, rebuilt world class T5 close ratio tranny. Did all the work myself. Major costs are known up front. Kit (1999) $11k, Mustang donor $1.7k, paint (did it myself) $1k. Engine $1k, Tranny $830. I sold all the extra parts from the donor Mustang. Lots of upgrades. I have $15800 into it to date. On the road for the 3rd year. FFR open house is June 8 in Wareham MA factory. Great car!
[img]http://a0.cpimg.com/image/C2/C4/10307010-b45c-01E20169-.jpg[/img]
:D
jack
[img]http://a0.cpimg.com/image/C2/C4/10307010-b45c-01E20169-.jpg[/img]
:D
jack
| Jon Bogert | 06-19-2002 09:38 PM |
The work begins...
Jeez, that's big for a four! Still gotta come down a bit and we will have to shave the sump. More pics at [url]www.furyous.org/jonsdiary.html[/url]
[IMG]http://www.furyous.org/images/jonfury_berts01sm.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.furyous.org/images/jonfury_berts04sm.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.furyous.org/images/jonfury_berts05sm.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.furyous.org/images/jonfury_berts01sm.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.furyous.org/images/jonfury_berts04sm.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.furyous.org/images/jonfury_berts05sm.jpg[/IMG]
| WRSport | 06-19-2002 11:15 PM |
Looking nice. Just a little bit of an engine in there ;)
Thats going to be one mean track car!
Thats going to be one mean track car!
| ColinL | 06-19-2002 11:32 PM |
the header on that F20C is bad ass. they actually bothered to make a REAL four-into-one collector, I have never seen such a thing on any production engine (that wasn't italian exotica).
jack, nice factory five. why the explorer v8?
jack, nice factory five. why the explorer v8?
| Jack | 06-20-2002 08:49 AM |
Colin,
Explorer 5.0's are plentiful and cheap. In addition, they tend to be much less beat than Mustang motors. Mine had 5k miles on it and I paid $1k for it. The engine is exactly the same as a Mustang (roller cam) except that it has a different cam for lower end torque and it has GT-40 heads. A stock explorer intake flows the same as a 93 Mustang Cobra intake. I will do the cam swap this coming winter to an E303. Before putting in this engine, I had 3 other 5.0's in my garage (long story) but all had over 90k miles.
An update....FFR will be offering their kit with a Kirkham ALUMINUM body soon. $5k option on a new kit. I'll build another one when this becomes available.
jack
Explorer 5.0's are plentiful and cheap. In addition, they tend to be much less beat than Mustang motors. Mine had 5k miles on it and I paid $1k for it. The engine is exactly the same as a Mustang (roller cam) except that it has a different cam for lower end torque and it has GT-40 heads. A stock explorer intake flows the same as a 93 Mustang Cobra intake. I will do the cam swap this coming winter to an E303. Before putting in this engine, I had 3 other 5.0's in my garage (long story) but all had over 90k miles.
An update....FFR will be offering their kit with a Kirkham ALUMINUM body soon. $5k option on a new kit. I'll build another one when this becomes available.
jack
| HoRo1 | 06-20-2002 01:30 PM |
I've never looked into this, but if what people out there are looking for is a dedicated track car, could you not buy a used 7 or some other used British super lightweight sports car in Britain and then container it here. I don't know how customs etc would view this, and they'd have to take your word for it that it would not be road driven. There are lots of these vehicles available in the UK, race or street prepared - your call.
| Jon Bogert | 06-20-2002 01:48 PM |
Well, sure--or you could just buy an SCCA legal A, B, C, or D sports racer, or a Radical or all sorts of things. There are many Lotus Seven replicas available in the U.S. already, from Caterhams to dozens of variations on the Locost concept.
I wanted a car I could drive on the street occasionally. I also wanted a platform on which to learn about car building. I considered a seven replica but didn't like the looks. I considered a Cobra replica, too. The Fury is much more of a scratch project than a Caterham or Factory Five--and I liked the idea of having to figure things out for myself. It'll take longer, and I did need some help for the serious chassis work to fit the F20C in there, but in the end I'll have a unique and interesting toy and (hopefully) a lot of practical knowledge that I can apply to other projects.
I wanted a car I could drive on the street occasionally. I also wanted a platform on which to learn about car building. I considered a seven replica but didn't like the looks. I considered a Cobra replica, too. The Fury is much more of a scratch project than a Caterham or Factory Five--and I liked the idea of having to figure things out for myself. It'll take longer, and I did need some help for the serious chassis work to fit the F20C in there, but in the end I'll have a unique and interesting toy and (hopefully) a lot of practical knowledge that I can apply to other projects.
| hillman | 06-20-2002 05:36 PM |
Wrt to that Lancia replica mentioned earlier in this thread, if anyone is considering one; you want the Alfa motor. It is an absolutely brilliant V6. Smooth, powerful, and sounds as good as anything. When I had one, I repeatedly had non-car people comment on the sound after riding with me.
The cheapest way to get one would be to find an Alfa Romeo 164 that has been neglected. There was one 'round here for 1500 bucks recently. Even my wife is tempted to get another one, when they are so cheap. Find one cheap, use the very tough motor, and sell off the bits and pieces to Alfa guys who are keeping the few nice 164s road-worthy.
Watch out for the automatic transmission; it's junk. This might be a good way to get a motor though, I've seen otherwise fine 164s for sale dirt cheap with broken transmissions.
There are 4 major variants available here; 182, 200, 210, and 232 hp. The last two being in the 94+ models and are very rare ( and DOHC ). Different cams between the 182 and 200, not much else, IIRC.
Just trying to help.
The cheapest way to get one would be to find an Alfa Romeo 164 that has been neglected. There was one 'round here for 1500 bucks recently. Even my wife is tempted to get another one, when they are so cheap. Find one cheap, use the very tough motor, and sell off the bits and pieces to Alfa guys who are keeping the few nice 164s road-worthy.
Watch out for the automatic transmission; it's junk. This might be a good way to get a motor though, I've seen otherwise fine 164s for sale dirt cheap with broken transmissions.
There are 4 major variants available here; 182, 200, 210, and 232 hp. The last two being in the 94+ models and are very rare ( and DOHC ). Different cams between the 182 and 200, not much else, IIRC.
Just trying to help.
| WRSport | 11-06-2002 10:35 PM |
I guess I missed the update thread on this project?
Is it done yet?
Is it done yet?
| Patrick Olsen | 11-28-2002 04:37 AM |
Yeah, what he said! Is it done yet? What's the status, Jon? The furyous website is down, so I can't even look for updates there.
Pat
Pat
| WRSport | 11-29-2002 05:47 AM |
Thats it, I'm bumpin this thread till Jon gives us an update!
| Jon Bogert | 11-30-2002 01:34 PM |
Well, I won't go into too many gorey details, but a recent interaction with an inattentive soccer mom made me reconsider the wisdom of driving a two foot tall fiberglass car on the mean streets of suburbia. Plus I found a really cool alternative.
We really hadn't gotten very far trying to shoehorn in the S2000 drivetrain anyway, so I'm selling the basic kit if anyone is interested. [url]www.furyous.org/jonsforsale.html[/url]
The really cool alternative was bought from another i-Club member: [url]www.rallystuff.com/pcar.html[/url]
We really hadn't gotten very far trying to shoehorn in the S2000 drivetrain anyway, so I'm selling the basic kit if anyone is interested. [url]www.furyous.org/jonsforsale.html[/url]
The really cool alternative was bought from another i-Club member: [url]www.rallystuff.com/pcar.html[/url]
| iceweazel | 12-01-2002 12:22 AM |
I'd say Factory Five kit, and do it yourself. Still relatively light
and the engine options are fantastic. Drove a supercharged
5.0L around mid-O and it was amazing. Nicer than the local
7's I'd been in for power and handling. Then again it was built
by TrueChoice.
But hey, screw it all. You're a rally driver. Get a stratos.
[IMG]http://www.aerosim-research.com/stratos/images/1_1.jpg[/IMG]
~15/16k but I'm sure kit bloat gets sick.
Ed
and the engine options are fantastic. Drove a supercharged
5.0L around mid-O and it was amazing. Nicer than the local
7's I'd been in for power and handling. Then again it was built
by TrueChoice.
But hey, screw it all. You're a rally driver. Get a stratos.
[IMG]http://www.aerosim-research.com/stratos/images/1_1.jpg[/IMG]
~15/16k but I'm sure kit bloat gets sick.
Ed
| steve_d | 12-03-2002 10:29 AM |
after having only read the first page...
in reply to subaru engines in VW based replicas...it's totally doable...
there's a place called Kennedy engineering that sells adapters to bolt scooby engines to all manner of VW and porsche transaxles...
it's the big thing with VANAGONS...those guys are swapping SVX H6' in...
I was actually considering a swap into my 912, but decided against it...
gonna build something else.
sjd
in reply to subaru engines in VW based replicas...it's totally doable...
there's a place called Kennedy engineering that sells adapters to bolt scooby engines to all manner of VW and porsche transaxles...
it's the big thing with VANAGONS...those guys are swapping SVX H6' in...
I was actually considering a swap into my 912, but decided against it...
gonna build something else.
sjd
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