| Equilibrium Tuning | 03-03-2003 08:46 PM |
My new smoked tail light!
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These are my new tail lights I acquired at the Vishnu Dyno day thanks to Dee. I was almost as excited about these as I was about my reflash! Here are some pics. They actually look even better in person.
[IMG]http://www.the45.net/~ed/tails2.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.the45.net/~ed/tails1.jpg[/IMG]
What do you guys think?
Thanks
-- Ed
[IMG]http://www.the45.net/~ed/tails2.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.the45.net/~ed/tails1.jpg[/IMG]
What do you guys think?
Thanks
-- Ed
| Deeman81 | 03-03-2003 08:53 PM |
Hey those look killer, if i may say so myself. If anybody else wants em, i will do it for 75 plus your stock lights.
Dee
Dee
| Amazake | 03-03-2003 08:57 PM |
i like it, wish i didn't have my aqua covers
| SubyBean | 03-03-2003 09:00 PM |
hey dee please tell me how you did it .... THough i do have a rs would you be able to do it??
Brian
Brian
| 516_WRX | 03-03-2003 09:01 PM |
can u do it lighter than that cause in ny we would get butt raped by cops
| Equilibrium Tuning | 03-03-2003 09:20 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by 516_WRX [/i]
[B]can u do it lighter than that cause in ny we would get butt raped by cops [/B][/QUOTE]
The lights actually show through REALLY well. I don't think a cop could say anything.
-- Ed
[B]can u do it lighter than that cause in ny we would get butt raped by cops [/B][/QUOTE]
The lights actually show through REALLY well. I don't think a cop could say anything.
-- Ed
| paultg | 03-03-2003 09:30 PM |
Did you use tint, nightshades spray paint, or something else I can't think of?
Paul G.
Paul G.
| Kwyjibo | 03-03-2003 10:01 PM |
I might be interested in the idea of getting these done from you...but how durable is it??
Are you painting the inside of the lens, or the outside?
thanks
Are you painting the inside of the lens, or the outside?
thanks
| PhreeZe | 03-03-2003 10:16 PM |
That is absolutly phat! Quality on that looks great. That would go perfect with STi lights :)
Jason
Jason
| lawn boy | 03-03-2003 10:31 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Kwyjibo [/i]
[B]I might be interested in the idea of getting these done from you...but how durable is it??
Are you painting the inside of the lens, or the outside?
thanks [/B][/QUOTE]
[B]I might be interested in the idea of getting these done from you...but how durable is it??
Are you painting the inside of the lens, or the outside?
thanks [/B][/QUOTE]
| Deeman81 | 03-04-2003 01:00 AM |
These lenses are painted on the outside then clearcoated over. So basically they have the same strength as the paint around them. I had them on my car four about three months with zero issues. They did not chip or crack in any way. They should even be waxed like paint to keep the perfect gloss look. Thanks guys
Dee
Dee
| rockt104 | 03-04-2003 01:09 PM |
those really look good...you can do whatever you want with your car of course, but i read not long ago about a kid who modified his tailights. then parked his car, got rearended, and had severe criminal charges brought against him due to reduced visibility of lights. you should search for it, i think it was on here somewhere. it would apply to what you have done to your lights...again, i am not putting you down, i like the look...just wanted to inform you.
| Deeman81 | 03-04-2003 01:48 PM |
Thank you for your input, and i agree with you, but these are stock and still retain the factroy reflection quality. This tint is not that dark. They still reflect light as do stock ones,(unlike altezza) just not 100% as bright.
Dee
Dee
| Egan | 03-04-2003 03:34 PM |
Do you simply modify a stock lens or do you replace it with an aftermarket one? I ask because us poor wagon owners have such limited choices because of our upside down taillights. If you're modifying the stock lens, this would work for wagons too.
| Deeman81 | 03-04-2003 05:24 PM |
I am doing it to the stock lenses. it will work on ANY lense needed
Dee
Dee
| mikkyo | 03-04-2003 07:15 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Vaus [/i]
[B]
The lights actually show through REALLY well. I don't think a cop could say anything.
-- Ed [/B][/QUOTE]
It's not the lights that matter so much(they must be visible from 1000ft away when on).
CA has a specific law regarding reflection when unlit.
[url]http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc24607.htm[/url]
[quote]Reflectors on Rear
24607. Every vehicle subject to registration under this code shall at all times be equipped with [B] red reflectors [/B] mounted on the rear as follows:
(a) Every vehicle shall be equipped with at least one reflector so maintained as to be plainly visible at night from all distances within [B] 350 to 100 feet [/B] from the vehicle when directly in front of the lawful upper headlamp beams.
[/quote]
So park the car and go with a friend out 350ft behind at night and make sure you can see the reflection of the smoked lights "plainly" with his low beams on. :-)
Side markers are another issue.
[url]http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc24608.htm[/url]
[QUOTE]Reflectors on Front and Sides
24608. (a) Motortrucks, trailers, semitrailers, and buses 80 or more inches in width manufactured on or after January 1, 1968, shall be equipped with an [B]amber reflector[/B] on each side at the front and a [B]red reflector[/B] on each side at the rear. Any vehicle may be so equipped.
d) Reflectors required or permitted in subdivisions (a) and (b) shall be so maintained as to be plainly visible at night from all distances within [B]600 feet to 100 feet[/B] from the vehicle when directly in front of lawful upper headlamp beams.[/QUOTE]
Why the distance is longer i dont know.
This also means your rear light assemblies, where they wrap around the side are subject to this rule as well.
[B]
The lights actually show through REALLY well. I don't think a cop could say anything.
-- Ed [/B][/QUOTE]
It's not the lights that matter so much(they must be visible from 1000ft away when on).
CA has a specific law regarding reflection when unlit.
[url]http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc24607.htm[/url]
[quote]Reflectors on Rear
24607. Every vehicle subject to registration under this code shall at all times be equipped with [B] red reflectors [/B] mounted on the rear as follows:
(a) Every vehicle shall be equipped with at least one reflector so maintained as to be plainly visible at night from all distances within [B] 350 to 100 feet [/B] from the vehicle when directly in front of the lawful upper headlamp beams.
[/quote]
So park the car and go with a friend out 350ft behind at night and make sure you can see the reflection of the smoked lights "plainly" with his low beams on. :-)
Side markers are another issue.
[url]http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc24608.htm[/url]
[QUOTE]Reflectors on Front and Sides
24608. (a) Motortrucks, trailers, semitrailers, and buses 80 or more inches in width manufactured on or after January 1, 1968, shall be equipped with an [B]amber reflector[/B] on each side at the front and a [B]red reflector[/B] on each side at the rear. Any vehicle may be so equipped.
d) Reflectors required or permitted in subdivisions (a) and (b) shall be so maintained as to be plainly visible at night from all distances within [B]600 feet to 100 feet[/B] from the vehicle when directly in front of lawful upper headlamp beams.[/QUOTE]
Why the distance is longer i dont know.
This also means your rear light assemblies, where they wrap around the side are subject to this rule as well.
| Equilibrium Tuning | 03-04-2003 10:32 PM |
I'm really not very worried about these being legal. My previous car (VW GTI) had stock smoked tail lights that were only a little bit lighter than these... and those were stock. I really doubt any cop is going to bother me for these.
-- Ed
-- Ed
| wolf8314 | 03-05-2003 01:48 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Deeman81 [/i]
[B]Thank you for your input, and i agree with you, but these are stock and still retain the factroy reflection quality. This tint is not that dark. They still reflect light as do stock ones,(unlike altezza) just not 100% as bright.
Dee [/B][/QUOTE]
Not saying that this will happen, but from my knowledge of the law, it doesnt matter if the light quality is the same, If it discovered you altered the taillights to make them darker, A person could file suit against you and will win
Judge: "Did you alter your taillight making them appear darker
You: "Yes your honor I did, but they still omitted the same amount of light
Judge: "They did???? Hmmmmm can you prove that?
You: "Uhhhhh no your honor, I cannot"
Judge: "Decision for the plaintiff, and Dee I sentence you to life in a POUND ME IN A$$ prison
Looks cool....I mujst admit but make sure you have a back up set of lights and if you are rearended dont even mention you have darkend them.......
[B]Thank you for your input, and i agree with you, but these are stock and still retain the factroy reflection quality. This tint is not that dark. They still reflect light as do stock ones,(unlike altezza) just not 100% as bright.
Dee [/B][/QUOTE]
Not saying that this will happen, but from my knowledge of the law, it doesnt matter if the light quality is the same, If it discovered you altered the taillights to make them darker, A person could file suit against you and will win
Judge: "Did you alter your taillight making them appear darker
You: "Yes your honor I did, but they still omitted the same amount of light
Judge: "They did???? Hmmmmm can you prove that?
You: "Uhhhhh no your honor, I cannot"
Judge: "Decision for the plaintiff, and Dee I sentence you to life in a POUND ME IN A$$ prison
Looks cool....I mujst admit but make sure you have a back up set of lights and if you are rearended dont even mention you have darkend them.......
| no1ukn0w | 03-05-2003 01:57 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Vaus [/i]
[B]I'm really not very worried about these being legal. My previous car (VW GTI) had stock smoked tail lights that were only a little bit lighter than these... and those were stock. I really doubt any cop is going to bother me for these.
-- Ed [/B][/QUOTE]
Not only are there legal issues (which wolf is absolutely correct about), but how would you feel if you were broken down on the side of the road and the 18 wheeler didn't see your reflector's and killed you or anyone else that might be in the car.
And don't even begin to think that it would be a rare occurance, it happens all the time. I worked on 2 cases last year where people were killed becuase traffic couldn't see reflector's (not beucase of smoked lenses though).
Just my opinion... take it how you want, but my life isn't worth having cool looking taillights.
[B]I'm really not very worried about these being legal. My previous car (VW GTI) had stock smoked tail lights that were only a little bit lighter than these... and those were stock. I really doubt any cop is going to bother me for these.
-- Ed [/B][/QUOTE]
Not only are there legal issues (which wolf is absolutely correct about), but how would you feel if you were broken down on the side of the road and the 18 wheeler didn't see your reflector's and killed you or anyone else that might be in the car.
And don't even begin to think that it would be a rare occurance, it happens all the time. I worked on 2 cases last year where people were killed becuase traffic couldn't see reflector's (not beucase of smoked lenses though).
Just my opinion... take it how you want, but my life isn't worth having cool looking taillights.
| Equilibrium Tuning | 03-05-2003 02:06 AM |
You guys seriously need to chill a bit. These aren't BLACK and they still reflect really well (when the lights are off). BTW, if you're broken down on the side of the road and don't want anyone to hit you I'd hope you'd put your hazzards on. Anyway, I understand all of your concerns but I don't think that this level of tint warrants them.
Thanks
-- Ed
Thanks
-- Ed
| no1ukn0w | 03-05-2003 02:11 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Vaus [/i]
[B]You guys seriously need to chill a bit. These aren't BLACK and they still reflect really well (when the lights are off). BTW, if you're broken down on the side of the road and don't want anyone to hit you I'd hope you'd put your hazzards on. Anyway, I understand all of your concerns but I don't think that this level of tint warrants them.
Thanks
-- Ed [/B][/QUOTE]
hope you don't have altenator probs.. and be sure to replace your battery every time you get in your car.
The problem is, you never know whats going to happen. they do look really really nice though
BTW I'm totally chilled, I'm layin here on the couch watchin tv, "chillin", just got back from a long boring a s s trial where they thought a hp printer caught on fire and burnt some prized top quality trailer home down :):D
[B]You guys seriously need to chill a bit. These aren't BLACK and they still reflect really well (when the lights are off). BTW, if you're broken down on the side of the road and don't want anyone to hit you I'd hope you'd put your hazzards on. Anyway, I understand all of your concerns but I don't think that this level of tint warrants them.
Thanks
-- Ed [/B][/QUOTE]
hope you don't have altenator probs.. and be sure to replace your battery every time you get in your car.
The problem is, you never know whats going to happen. they do look really really nice though
BTW I'm totally chilled, I'm layin here on the couch watchin tv, "chillin", just got back from a long boring a s s trial where they thought a hp printer caught on fire and burnt some prized top quality trailer home down :):D
| wolf8314 | 03-05-2003 03:30 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Vaus [/i]
[B]You guys seriously need to chill a bit. These aren't BLACK and they still reflect really well (when the lights are off). BTW, if you're broken down on the side of the road and don't want anyone to hit you I'd hope you'd put your hazzards on. Anyway, I understand all of your concerns but I don't think that this level of tint warrants them.
Thanks
-- Ed [/B][/QUOTE]
Ed,
Im chill....Im actually gonna do the same thing, Im just letting DEE know the "WHAT IF" so he is at least aware of them. Law is funny......
WOlfie
[B]You guys seriously need to chill a bit. These aren't BLACK and they still reflect really well (when the lights are off). BTW, if you're broken down on the side of the road and don't want anyone to hit you I'd hope you'd put your hazzards on. Anyway, I understand all of your concerns but I don't think that this level of tint warrants them.
Thanks
-- Ed [/B][/QUOTE]
Ed,
Im chill....Im actually gonna do the same thing, Im just letting DEE know the "WHAT IF" so he is at least aware of them. Law is funny......
WOlfie
| RED WORKS(WRX) | 03-05-2003 04:49 AM |
If I ever did anything to my taillights this is what I would end up doing. But I decided to stick with stock a long time ago.
Could you post a pic of your tail lights in the dark maybe showing how bright they light up.
Thanx
Could you post a pic of your tail lights in the dark maybe showing how bright they light up.
Thanx
| bahboy20 | 03-05-2003 08:09 AM |
pics at night
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can you post pics at night so we can see visibility?
dan
looks good.
dan
looks good.
| Turbobug | 03-05-2003 01:28 PM |
yeah, post up some pics of them lit up during night and day.
I think they look totally AWESOME! If I had a WRX, id order for you :D
I think they look totally AWESOME! If I had a WRX, id order for you :D
| krazedant | 03-05-2003 01:46 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by wolf8314 [/i]
[B]Judge: "Decision for the plaintiff, and Dee I sentence you to life in a POUND ME IN A$$ prison[/B][/QUOTE]
HAHAHA Office Space rocks!!! :lol:
[B]Judge: "Decision for the plaintiff, and Dee I sentence you to life in a POUND ME IN A$$ prison[/B][/QUOTE]
HAHAHA Office Space rocks!!! :lol:
| wombatsauce | 03-05-2003 02:33 PM |
Guys seriously..
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You are basing all this reactionary legal "advice" on two low-res photos of these lights.
The legal stuff you say is true. It's also obvious! Keep in mind, unless you have seen these lights in person, you have no idea what you are talking about. These are QUITE different from those GTS taillight "blackouts" I see around - now THOSE are dangerous. Having a piece of black lexan on top of the light is very different from a careful blend of black tint and clearcoat sprayed directly on the stock lense.
That said, they look awesome! The finish is perfect and the reflections on the trunk carry across the lights perfectly. You can still see red through the black, with the lights off, and the reflectors work fine.
In short: Knowing the "risks" involved with these lights, buy them or don't. It's that simple.
-Jacob
The legal stuff you say is true. It's also obvious! Keep in mind, unless you have seen these lights in person, you have no idea what you are talking about. These are QUITE different from those GTS taillight "blackouts" I see around - now THOSE are dangerous. Having a piece of black lexan on top of the light is very different from a careful blend of black tint and clearcoat sprayed directly on the stock lense.
That said, they look awesome! The finish is perfect and the reflections on the trunk carry across the lights perfectly. You can still see red through the black, with the lights off, and the reflectors work fine.
In short: Knowing the "risks" involved with these lights, buy them or don't. It's that simple.
-Jacob
| mikkyo | 03-05-2003 05:32 PM |
Hey I dig the lights!
In fact, I want to do mine or have Dee do them.
:)
Just wanted to be sure folks knew the law, so I related it.
I bet that the stock reflectors are more reflective than required by law, due to various state law differences.
Just pointing out that folks might want to check and see if they are close to requirements for reference.
The points made about accidents are a big deal, and something worth noting.
If you have darked taillights and big brakes and are rearended at night, well you are probably screwed legally, unless the guy behind is drunk or was following too close.
Guess folks with smoked lights will just have to pay more attention to what is behind them, which certainly can't hurt. ;)
Here is one for the law types..
You have cool smoked taillights, screw up on a turn, spin out, and end up on the shoulder facing oncoming traffic with no power for lights.
A semi doesn't see you, since there are no reflectors in front, and decides to pull off for a nap. He plows into you and you die.
Your family decides to sue.
Is the truck driver at fault for not seeing you since you were facing the wrong way and not reflecting light?
If he isn't, then you better never spin out and end up facing traffic.
If he is still at fault, then the smoked taillights if rear ended shouldn't matter anyway since you have no front reflectors and that is legal.
:D
Of course, you all noticed the law regarding reflection ends at 100 ft, so once a vehicle is within 100 ft, reflector laws are no longer in play.:lol:
In fact, I want to do mine or have Dee do them.
:)
Just wanted to be sure folks knew the law, so I related it.
I bet that the stock reflectors are more reflective than required by law, due to various state law differences.
Just pointing out that folks might want to check and see if they are close to requirements for reference.
The points made about accidents are a big deal, and something worth noting.
If you have darked taillights and big brakes and are rearended at night, well you are probably screwed legally, unless the guy behind is drunk or was following too close.
Guess folks with smoked lights will just have to pay more attention to what is behind them, which certainly can't hurt. ;)
Here is one for the law types..
You have cool smoked taillights, screw up on a turn, spin out, and end up on the shoulder facing oncoming traffic with no power for lights.
A semi doesn't see you, since there are no reflectors in front, and decides to pull off for a nap. He plows into you and you die.
Your family decides to sue.
Is the truck driver at fault for not seeing you since you were facing the wrong way and not reflecting light?
If he isn't, then you better never spin out and end up facing traffic.
If he is still at fault, then the smoked taillights if rear ended shouldn't matter anyway since you have no front reflectors and that is legal.
:D
Of course, you all noticed the law regarding reflection ends at 100 ft, so once a vehicle is within 100 ft, reflector laws are no longer in play.:lol:
| wombatsauce | 03-05-2003 06:32 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by no1ukn0w [/i]
[B]
Not only are there legal issues (which wolf is absolutely correct about), but how would you feel if you were broken down on the side of the road and the 18 wheeler didn't see your reflector's and killed you or anyone else that might be in the car.
[/B][/QUOTE]
I am not sure how I would feel if I were dead. Can't comment. About the friends, I would be pretty bummed, and pissed that the driver didn't see the CAR in his way. Can you imagine not seeing a CAR SIZED pile of trash in your way? Would you be pissed that the pile of trash didn't have reflectors on it?
[QUOTE][B]
And don't even begin to think that it would be a rare occurance, it happens all the time. I worked on 2 cases last year where people were killed becuase traffic couldn't see reflector's (not beucase of smoked lenses though).
[/B][/QUOTE]
So uhh... Heh. What's your point? We shouldn't like these lights because people have collided with things not related to darkened lights? I feel that people shouldn't hit things too, even if they don't have reflectors on them.
[QUOTE][B]
Just my opinion... take it how you want, but my life isn't worth having cool looking taillights.
[/B][/QUOTE]
By that, it sounds like you are saying "if you buy these lights, you and your friends will die." That's just funny.
All sarcasm aside, yes - there are some important legal issues to consider. But, if you haven't seen these lights - again - you have no idea what you are talking about. If this were about some black light covers, then yeah - rap away. But I have seen these lights, and all this "legal advice" is unwarranted in this case.
-Jacob
[B]
Not only are there legal issues (which wolf is absolutely correct about), but how would you feel if you were broken down on the side of the road and the 18 wheeler didn't see your reflector's and killed you or anyone else that might be in the car.
[/B][/QUOTE]
I am not sure how I would feel if I were dead. Can't comment. About the friends, I would be pretty bummed, and pissed that the driver didn't see the CAR in his way. Can you imagine not seeing a CAR SIZED pile of trash in your way? Would you be pissed that the pile of trash didn't have reflectors on it?
[QUOTE][B]
And don't even begin to think that it would be a rare occurance, it happens all the time. I worked on 2 cases last year where people were killed becuase traffic couldn't see reflector's (not beucase of smoked lenses though).
[/B][/QUOTE]
So uhh... Heh. What's your point? We shouldn't like these lights because people have collided with things not related to darkened lights? I feel that people shouldn't hit things too, even if they don't have reflectors on them.
[QUOTE][B]
Just my opinion... take it how you want, but my life isn't worth having cool looking taillights.
[/B][/QUOTE]
By that, it sounds like you are saying "if you buy these lights, you and your friends will die." That's just funny.
All sarcasm aside, yes - there are some important legal issues to consider. But, if you haven't seen these lights - again - you have no idea what you are talking about. If this were about some black light covers, then yeah - rap away. But I have seen these lights, and all this "legal advice" is unwarranted in this case.
-Jacob
| Deeman81 | 03-05-2003 06:45 PM |
Wow this is pretty crazy. but i do agree with some of you. but i dont think i will sell anymore since the whole "lawsuit" thing sucks. Or maybe i can just use one of those"For Offroad Use only" things and cover myself. hahah to tell you the truth its not worth the money to worry about every car i do it too. But in the mean time you can count on the fact that they will be on my car, hahaha. Sorry if i caused any arguments, i was just sharing what i found cool.
Dee
Dee
| no1ukn0w | 03-06-2003 12:04 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by wombatsauce [/i]
[B]
I am not sure how I would feel if I were dead. Can't comment. About the friends, I would be pretty bummed, and pissed that the driver didn't see the CAR in his way. Can you imagine not seeing a CAR SIZED pile of trash in your way? Would you be pissed that the pile of trash didn't have reflectors on it?
So uhh... Heh. What's your point? We shouldn't like these lights because people have collided with things not related to darkened lights? I feel that people shouldn't hit things too, even if they don't have reflectors on them.
By that, it sounds like you are saying "if you buy these lights, you and your friends will die." That's just funny.
All sarcasm aside, yes - there are some important legal issues to consider. But, if you haven't seen these lights - again - you have no idea what you are talking about. If this were about some black light covers, then yeah - rap away. But I have seen these lights, and all this "legal advice" is unwarranted in this case.
-Jacob [/B][/QUOTE]
When you have seen it first hand and have talked to a family that lost a 9 year old son, father/husband, and seen the child that was brain damaged from a wreck where a 18 wheeler didn't have proper reflector's, and had broken down on the side of the road, I can almost garuentee that your imature thoughts would change.
Yes I agree that it should be hard not to miss a car/truck that is broken down on the side of the road.. but it does happen.
I never said that you were going to die becuase of smoked lights. But there is a reason that the law requires the lights to be made to spec, its a saftey measure.
Legal advice? Nah I don't give legal advice, I'm not a atty. Just like to think that I have a tiny bit of common sense and real world experience.
[B]
I am not sure how I would feel if I were dead. Can't comment. About the friends, I would be pretty bummed, and pissed that the driver didn't see the CAR in his way. Can you imagine not seeing a CAR SIZED pile of trash in your way? Would you be pissed that the pile of trash didn't have reflectors on it?
So uhh... Heh. What's your point? We shouldn't like these lights because people have collided with things not related to darkened lights? I feel that people shouldn't hit things too, even if they don't have reflectors on them.
By that, it sounds like you are saying "if you buy these lights, you and your friends will die." That's just funny.
All sarcasm aside, yes - there are some important legal issues to consider. But, if you haven't seen these lights - again - you have no idea what you are talking about. If this were about some black light covers, then yeah - rap away. But I have seen these lights, and all this "legal advice" is unwarranted in this case.
-Jacob [/B][/QUOTE]
When you have seen it first hand and have talked to a family that lost a 9 year old son, father/husband, and seen the child that was brain damaged from a wreck where a 18 wheeler didn't have proper reflector's, and had broken down on the side of the road, I can almost garuentee that your imature thoughts would change.
Yes I agree that it should be hard not to miss a car/truck that is broken down on the side of the road.. but it does happen.
I never said that you were going to die becuase of smoked lights. But there is a reason that the law requires the lights to be made to spec, its a saftey measure.
Legal advice? Nah I don't give legal advice, I'm not a atty. Just like to think that I have a tiny bit of common sense and real world experience.
| scrappydoo | 03-06-2003 02:34 AM |
Hey thanks for showing us those pics, those lights are really good looking. I've been kicking around the idea to tint my tails for a while. Instead of charging to do the lights why don't you post how to do them. Everyone here shares mods like this here. Check out all the mods that show you how to do it for free, like: debading, headlight mod, painted emblems, resonator mod, etc...
Heck, I've even given tips on the angel eyes mod for foglights.
Marcel
Heck, I've even given tips on the angel eyes mod for foglights.
Marcel
| wolf8314 | 03-06-2003 02:49 AM |
Re: Guys seriously..
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by wombatsauce [/i]
[B]You are basing all this reactionary legal "advice" on two low-res photos of these lights.
The legal stuff you say is true. It's also obvious! Keep in mind, unless you have seen these lights in person, you have no idea what you are talking about. These are QUITE different from those GTS taillight "blackouts" I see around - now THOSE are dangerous. Having a piece of black lexan on top of the light is very different from a careful blend of black tint and clearcoat sprayed directly on the stock lense.
That said, they look awesome! The finish is perfect and the reflections on the trunk carry across the lights perfectly. You can still see red through the black, with the lights off, and the reflectors work fine.
In short: Knowing the "risks" involved with these lights, buy them or don't. It's that simple.
-Jacob [/B][/QUOTE]
NO IM NOT basing my my "ADVICE" on two low res photos. IM basing it on LAW. Under state laws you cannot alter your taillights.....It has nothing absoultly NOTHING to do with how much light is given off by the altered lights ....it deals with the fact that he altered them.............therefore he would be liable if he was rearended, if the said party discovered he altered his lights, and used it in Insurance company negotiating or court. Even with that said if he made his lights brighter he still could be held liable.
Go home, go to bed ........come back when you can find where it is legal to alter your lights
N00b
Wolfie:devil:
Ummm ya Im thinking of a word that starts with a O and ends with a D
[B]You are basing all this reactionary legal "advice" on two low-res photos of these lights.
The legal stuff you say is true. It's also obvious! Keep in mind, unless you have seen these lights in person, you have no idea what you are talking about. These are QUITE different from those GTS taillight "blackouts" I see around - now THOSE are dangerous. Having a piece of black lexan on top of the light is very different from a careful blend of black tint and clearcoat sprayed directly on the stock lense.
That said, they look awesome! The finish is perfect and the reflections on the trunk carry across the lights perfectly. You can still see red through the black, with the lights off, and the reflectors work fine.
In short: Knowing the "risks" involved with these lights, buy them or don't. It's that simple.
-Jacob [/B][/QUOTE]
NO IM NOT basing my my "ADVICE" on two low res photos. IM basing it on LAW. Under state laws you cannot alter your taillights.....It has nothing absoultly NOTHING to do with how much light is given off by the altered lights ....it deals with the fact that he altered them.............therefore he would be liable if he was rearended, if the said party discovered he altered his lights, and used it in Insurance company negotiating or court. Even with that said if he made his lights brighter he still could be held liable.
Go home, go to bed ........come back when you can find where it is legal to alter your lights
N00b
Wolfie:devil:
Ummm ya Im thinking of a word that starts with a O and ends with a D
| wombatsauce | 03-06-2003 11:14 AM |
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Noob? That's great!
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You guys are too much. Seen the lights yet?
Didn't think so.
Thank you, move along.
-Jacob
:lol:
Didn't think so.
Thank you, move along.
-Jacob
:lol:
| Egan | 03-06-2003 11:33 AM |
Re: Re: Guys seriously..
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by wolf8314 [/i]
[B]
NO IM NOT basing my my "ADVICE" on two low res photos. IM basing it on LAW. Under state laws you cannot alter your taillights.....It has nothing absoultly NOTHING to do with how much light is given off by the altered lights ....it deals with the fact that he altered them.............therefore he would be liable if he was rearended, if the said party discovered he altered his lights, and used it in Insurance company negotiating or court. Even with that said if he made his lights brighter he still could be held liable.
Go home, go to bed ........come back when you can find where it is legal to alter your lights
N00b
Wolfie:devil:
Ummm ya Im thinking of a word that starts with a O and ends with a D [/B][/QUOTE]
Which State(s) and which law?
The vehicle code changes from state to state. Are you saying it is illegal anywhere in the United States to alter your taillights. Please provide a link to such a law.
Also, what is your definition of "alter". I would take it to mean that Altezzas and such are illegal. If that's the case, it would be a windfall for most Kalifornia police departments. :lol:
I'm not trying to flame, but the line between fact and opinion gets muddled on threads like these.
[B]
NO IM NOT basing my my "ADVICE" on two low res photos. IM basing it on LAW. Under state laws you cannot alter your taillights.....It has nothing absoultly NOTHING to do with how much light is given off by the altered lights ....it deals with the fact that he altered them.............therefore he would be liable if he was rearended, if the said party discovered he altered his lights, and used it in Insurance company negotiating or court. Even with that said if he made his lights brighter he still could be held liable.
Go home, go to bed ........come back when you can find where it is legal to alter your lights
N00b
Wolfie:devil:
Ummm ya Im thinking of a word that starts with a O and ends with a D [/B][/QUOTE]
Which State(s) and which law?
The vehicle code changes from state to state. Are you saying it is illegal anywhere in the United States to alter your taillights. Please provide a link to such a law.
Also, what is your definition of "alter". I would take it to mean that Altezzas and such are illegal. If that's the case, it would be a windfall for most Kalifornia police departments. :lol:
I'm not trying to flame, but the line between fact and opinion gets muddled on threads like these.
| no1ukn0w | 03-06-2003 11:40 AM |
Re: Re: Re: Guys seriously..
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Egan [/i]
[B]
Which State(s) and which law?
The vehicle code changes from state to state. Are you saying it is illegal anywhere in the United States to alter your taillights. Please provide a link to such a law.
Also, what is your definition of "alter". I would take it to mean that Altezzas and such are illegal. If that's the case, it would be a windfall for most Kalifornia police departments. :lol:
I'm not trying to flame, but the line between fact and opinion gets muddled on threads like these. [/B][/QUOTE]
here's texas:
State law Sec. 547.3215 incorporates Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards, Subpart B, Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards, Section 571.108, Standard No. 108; Lamps, Reflective Devices, and Associated Equipment. This standard contains the following:
S5.1.3 No additional lamp, reflective device or other motor vehicle equipment shall be installed that impairs the effectiveness of lighting equipment required by this standard.
As a general comment, any device that impairs the required effectiveness of headlamps, taillamps, reflectors or etc is prohibited. The lights, both front and rear, are made by the manufacturer to meet this safety standard. Putting something, particularly something dark would impair its effectiveness.
[B]
Which State(s) and which law?
The vehicle code changes from state to state. Are you saying it is illegal anywhere in the United States to alter your taillights. Please provide a link to such a law.
Also, what is your definition of "alter". I would take it to mean that Altezzas and such are illegal. If that's the case, it would be a windfall for most Kalifornia police departments. :lol:
I'm not trying to flame, but the line between fact and opinion gets muddled on threads like these. [/B][/QUOTE]
here's texas:
State law Sec. 547.3215 incorporates Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards, Subpart B, Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards, Section 571.108, Standard No. 108; Lamps, Reflective Devices, and Associated Equipment. This standard contains the following:
S5.1.3 No additional lamp, reflective device or other motor vehicle equipment shall be installed that impairs the effectiveness of lighting equipment required by this standard.
As a general comment, any device that impairs the required effectiveness of headlamps, taillamps, reflectors or etc is prohibited. The lights, both front and rear, are made by the manufacturer to meet this safety standard. Putting something, particularly something dark would impair its effectiveness.
| CanUHang | 03-06-2003 02:04 PM |
[IMG]http://images.cardomain.com/member_img_b/287000-287999/287365_7_full.jpg[/IMG]
| Kwyjibo | 03-06-2003 06:43 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by CanUHang [/i]
[B][IMG]http://images.cardomain.com/member_img_b/287000-287999/287365_7_full.jpg[/IMG] [/B][/QUOTE]
That looks sweet!! :D
[B][IMG]http://images.cardomain.com/member_img_b/287000-287999/287365_7_full.jpg[/IMG] [/B][/QUOTE]
That looks sweet!! :D
| mikkyo | 03-06-2003 07:12 PM |
[QUOTE] S5.1.3 No additional lamp, reflective device or other motor vehicle equipment shall be installed that [B]impairs[/B] the effectiveness of lighting equipment [B]required[/B] by this standard.[/QUOTE]
So you can alter your lights as long as the still meet the required standards. You can't impair them so they are below standard.
Also note that it says "No additional" not replacement or altering.
If it meets the standard, then you are good.
In CA, there is no Vehicle Code for altering lights or lamps except for non-compliance.
[url]http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc26101.htm[/url]
The sectioned referenced is here
[url]http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc26104.htm[/url]
Which basically says you have to test it and have that test data available if asked for it.
For Offroad Use Only is always a good idea with any mod items, even if they are legal. Practically everything aftermarket for our cars is "For Offroad Use Only". Even the STi exhaust system. That means it is up to the user of said items to break the law by using them onroad.
Dee, test the reflectors out and find out if they meet the state requirements, then everyone here would have to accept that they are OK.
At least in CA. :)
So you can alter your lights as long as the still meet the required standards. You can't impair them so they are below standard.
Also note that it says "No additional" not replacement or altering.
If it meets the standard, then you are good.
In CA, there is no Vehicle Code for altering lights or lamps except for non-compliance.
[url]http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc26101.htm[/url]
The sectioned referenced is here
[url]http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc26104.htm[/url]
Which basically says you have to test it and have that test data available if asked for it.
For Offroad Use Only is always a good idea with any mod items, even if they are legal. Practically everything aftermarket for our cars is "For Offroad Use Only". Even the STi exhaust system. That means it is up to the user of said items to break the law by using them onroad.
Dee, test the reflectors out and find out if they meet the state requirements, then everyone here would have to accept that they are OK.
At least in CA. :)
| midnightblack02 | 03-06-2003 08:27 PM |
yea were gonna need to see some pics of them lit up druing night/day. what spray tint did you use? nightshades?
| dubX1 | 03-06-2003 08:29 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by no1ukn0w [/i]
[B]
When you have seen it first hand and have talked to a family that lost a 9 year old son, father/husband, and seen the child that was brain damaged from a wreck where a 18 wheeler didn't have proper reflector's, and had broken down on the side of the road, I can almost garuentee that your imature thoughts would change.
Yes I agree that it should be hard not to miss a car/truck that is broken down on the side of the road.. but it does happen.
I never said that you were going to die becuase of smoked lights. But there is a reason that the law requires the lights to be made to spec, its a saftey measure.
Legal advice? Nah I don't give legal advice, I'm not a atty. Just like to think that I have a tiny bit of common sense and real world experience. [/B][/QUOTE]
Its called using hazards. I don't know about you or anyone else, but I tend to use hazards when i'm pulled over...This way, I won't get hit because a truck couldn't see me. It's just a little habit I have:D
[B]
When you have seen it first hand and have talked to a family that lost a 9 year old son, father/husband, and seen the child that was brain damaged from a wreck where a 18 wheeler didn't have proper reflector's, and had broken down on the side of the road, I can almost garuentee that your imature thoughts would change.
Yes I agree that it should be hard not to miss a car/truck that is broken down on the side of the road.. but it does happen.
I never said that you were going to die becuase of smoked lights. But there is a reason that the law requires the lights to be made to spec, its a saftey measure.
Legal advice? Nah I don't give legal advice, I'm not a atty. Just like to think that I have a tiny bit of common sense and real world experience. [/B][/QUOTE]
Its called using hazards. I don't know about you or anyone else, but I tend to use hazards when i'm pulled over...This way, I won't get hit because a truck couldn't see me. It's just a little habit I have:D
| no1ukn0w | 03-06-2003 11:27 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by dubX1 [/i]
[B]
Its called using hazards. I don't know about you or anyone else, but I tend to use hazards when i'm pulled over...This way, I won't get hit because a truck couldn't see me. It's just a little habit I have:D [/B][/QUOTE]
Let me tell you a little story about this pos 97 tahoe I had.. well there isn't much to the story other than it had a short that no one could find and blew altenator's randomly.
So while driving down the highway your lights go dim and then next thing you know your stuck on the side of the road with NO POWER.
now can you explain to me what you do in that situation? It happend to me 4 times before I sold it and got the wrx.. You could press the hazard button all you want.. but I garuentee you that nothing would/did happen.
I think most people on this board have enough knowledge about cars to know that if you have a electical problem, your not always able to use your hazards.
So your post was a waste of time.
[B]
Its called using hazards. I don't know about you or anyone else, but I tend to use hazards when i'm pulled over...This way, I won't get hit because a truck couldn't see me. It's just a little habit I have:D [/B][/QUOTE]
Let me tell you a little story about this pos 97 tahoe I had.. well there isn't much to the story other than it had a short that no one could find and blew altenator's randomly.
So while driving down the highway your lights go dim and then next thing you know your stuck on the side of the road with NO POWER.
now can you explain to me what you do in that situation? It happend to me 4 times before I sold it and got the wrx.. You could press the hazard button all you want.. but I garuentee you that nothing would/did happen.
I think most people on this board have enough knowledge about cars to know that if you have a electical problem, your not always able to use your hazards.
So your post was a waste of time.
| dubX1 | 03-06-2003 11:47 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by no1ukn0w [/i]
[B]
Let me tell you a little story about this pos 97 tahoe I had.. well there isn't much to the story other than it had a short that no one could find and blew altenator's randomly.
So while driving down the highway your lights go dim and then next thing you know your stuck on the side of the road with NO POWER.
now can you explain to me what you do in that situation? It happend to me 4 times before I sold it and got the wrx.. You could press the hazard button all you want.. but I garuentee you that nothing would/did happen.
I think most people on this board have enough knowledge about cars to know that if you have a electical problem, your not always able to use your hazards.
So your post was a waste of time. [/B][/QUOTE]
Yes, in the case of a blown alternator you would have a problem. A waste of time you say...thanks for providing an uneeded tone to a friendly conversation:disco:
[B]
Let me tell you a little story about this pos 97 tahoe I had.. well there isn't much to the story other than it had a short that no one could find and blew altenator's randomly.
So while driving down the highway your lights go dim and then next thing you know your stuck on the side of the road with NO POWER.
now can you explain to me what you do in that situation? It happend to me 4 times before I sold it and got the wrx.. You could press the hazard button all you want.. but I garuentee you that nothing would/did happen.
I think most people on this board have enough knowledge about cars to know that if you have a electical problem, your not always able to use your hazards.
So your post was a waste of time. [/B][/QUOTE]
Yes, in the case of a blown alternator you would have a problem. A waste of time you say...thanks for providing an uneeded tone to a friendly conversation:disco:
| no1ukn0w | 03-06-2003 11:52 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by dubX1 [/i]
[B]
.thanks for providing an uneeded tone to a friendly conversation:disco: [/B][/QUOTE]
sorry just got a bit frustrated.. I posted earlier in this thread...
[I]hope you don't have altenator probs.. and be sure to replace your battery every time you get in your car.[/I]
[B]
.thanks for providing an uneeded tone to a friendly conversation:disco: [/B][/QUOTE]
sorry just got a bit frustrated.. I posted earlier in this thread...
[I]hope you don't have altenator probs.. and be sure to replace your battery every time you get in your car.[/I]
| dubX1 | 03-07-2003 12:02 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by no1ukn0w [/i]
[B]
sorry just got a bit frustrated.. I posted earlier in this thread...
[I]hope you don't have altenator probs.. and be sure to replace your battery every time you get in your car.[/I] [/B][/QUOTE]
Its all good;) . I understand your point..I guess I missed what you said earlier.
[B]
sorry just got a bit frustrated.. I posted earlier in this thread...
[I]hope you don't have altenator probs.. and be sure to replace your battery every time you get in your car.[/I] [/B][/QUOTE]
Its all good;) . I understand your point..I guess I missed what you said earlier.
| wombatsauce | 03-07-2003 12:57 PM |
Wait wait wait...
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by no1ukn0w [/i]
[B]
Let me tell you a little story about this pos 97 tahoe I had.. well there isn't much to the story other than it had a short that no one could find and blew altenator's randomly.
So while driving down the highway your lights go dim and then next thing you know your stuck on the side of the road with NO POWER.
now can you explain to me what you do in that situation? It happend to me 4 times before I sold it and got the wrx.. You could press the hazard button all you want.. but I garuentee you that nothing would/did happen.
I think most people on this board have enough knowledge about cars to know that if you have a electical problem, your not always able to use your hazards.
So your post was a waste of time. [/B][/QUOTE]
Speaking of wasting time... This is your story? Not only does this have nothing to do with darkening taillights, but it gives a little more insight into your comments.
Let me get this straight... You had a very odd freak occurance electrical problem with your car, it happened to you FOUR TIMES so you obviously knew about it... Did you carry flares in your car? Did you have any other countermeasures to get people's attention in case you were stranded on the side of the road? I mean, instead of getting pissed that this problem you knew about didn't just fix itself.
And what, on EARTH does this have to do with some taillights you haven't even seen, and know nothing about??
Seriously...
I have owned 20 odd something cars and have never had a problem like this with any of them. I have had batteries and alternators fail, but never without fair, clear warning. If I ever *thought* there was a problem, flares and jumper cables and first aid kit would come with me - and I ALWAYS have a maglite in the car. But that's just me.
Once again - this is all going waaaaay tooooo farrrr.. Anyone that hasn't seen the lights in person shouldn't comment on them (is there an echo in here?). They are a few shades lighter than a '93-'95 RX-7 taillights (which are DARK from the factory as Ratboy pointed out).
This discussion should prolly stop pretty soon.
Oh, and HAPPY FRIDAY everyone!!!
-Jacob
[B]
Let me tell you a little story about this pos 97 tahoe I had.. well there isn't much to the story other than it had a short that no one could find and blew altenator's randomly.
So while driving down the highway your lights go dim and then next thing you know your stuck on the side of the road with NO POWER.
now can you explain to me what you do in that situation? It happend to me 4 times before I sold it and got the wrx.. You could press the hazard button all you want.. but I garuentee you that nothing would/did happen.
I think most people on this board have enough knowledge about cars to know that if you have a electical problem, your not always able to use your hazards.
So your post was a waste of time. [/B][/QUOTE]
Speaking of wasting time... This is your story? Not only does this have nothing to do with darkening taillights, but it gives a little more insight into your comments.
Let me get this straight... You had a very odd freak occurance electrical problem with your car, it happened to you FOUR TIMES so you obviously knew about it... Did you carry flares in your car? Did you have any other countermeasures to get people's attention in case you were stranded on the side of the road? I mean, instead of getting pissed that this problem you knew about didn't just fix itself.
And what, on EARTH does this have to do with some taillights you haven't even seen, and know nothing about??
Seriously...
I have owned 20 odd something cars and have never had a problem like this with any of them. I have had batteries and alternators fail, but never without fair, clear warning. If I ever *thought* there was a problem, flares and jumper cables and first aid kit would come with me - and I ALWAYS have a maglite in the car. But that's just me.
Once again - this is all going waaaaay tooooo farrrr.. Anyone that hasn't seen the lights in person shouldn't comment on them (is there an echo in here?). They are a few shades lighter than a '93-'95 RX-7 taillights (which are DARK from the factory as Ratboy pointed out).
This discussion should prolly stop pretty soon.
Oh, and HAPPY FRIDAY everyone!!!
-Jacob
| no1ukn0w | 03-07-2003 01:16 PM |
Re: Wait wait wait...
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by wombatsauce [/i]
[B]
And what, on EARTH does this have to do with some taillights you haven't even seen, and know nothing about??
-Jacob [/B][/QUOTE]
The whole point is that, taillights are made from the FACTORY to certain specs. Adding a layer of black paint on top of them affects the SAFTEY of them (minor or major, it affects the light output), if you can't agree with that, then I don't know what to say.
As per my story, I did have jumper cables,mag light, no flares but those little triangles. Jumper cables do not help with a car with a dead altenator (I guess you don't know that considering with your 20 cars its never happend).
And please, try to remeber you say you have owned 20 cars.. thats great bud.. but do you realize there are MILLIONS of cars on the road and just becuase you have owned .000000000000001% of those cars doesn't mean everyone has the same luck and problems that you have had. If cars never had electrical problems there would be a ton of mechanics that specialize in that area out of business. Hell why would pepboys/autozone sell altenators and battery's if no one ever had problems with them.
Your points are also mute. The reason I posted about my pos tahoe was becuase he said he used hazards.. I was explaining to him how hazards aren't always available.
[B]
And what, on EARTH does this have to do with some taillights you haven't even seen, and know nothing about??
-Jacob [/B][/QUOTE]
The whole point is that, taillights are made from the FACTORY to certain specs. Adding a layer of black paint on top of them affects the SAFTEY of them (minor or major, it affects the light output), if you can't agree with that, then I don't know what to say.
As per my story, I did have jumper cables,mag light, no flares but those little triangles. Jumper cables do not help with a car with a dead altenator (I guess you don't know that considering with your 20 cars its never happend).
And please, try to remeber you say you have owned 20 cars.. thats great bud.. but do you realize there are MILLIONS of cars on the road and just becuase you have owned .000000000000001% of those cars doesn't mean everyone has the same luck and problems that you have had. If cars never had electrical problems there would be a ton of mechanics that specialize in that area out of business. Hell why would pepboys/autozone sell altenators and battery's if no one ever had problems with them.
Your points are also mute. The reason I posted about my pos tahoe was becuase he said he used hazards.. I was explaining to him how hazards aren't always available.
| wombatsauce | 03-07-2003 01:31 PM |
Your stories are all over the place man. And it sounds like you didn't even read my post. You have a whole paragraph telling me about something that is completely 180 degrees from what I said. I don't wanna play anymore - you win the idiot contest. Besides, this is so far off-topic at this point, there is no point.
Seen the lights yet?
Okay then.
"And like that... He was gone..."
-Jacob
Seen the lights yet?
Okay then.
"And like that... He was gone..."
-Jacob
| Equilibrium Tuning | 03-07-2003 05:37 PM |
Ok guys... you've all made me regret even posting this. Let's stop squabling (sp) and throwing random information out here. I think everything that needs to be said about the light has been said... and way way more. I'll re-state this one more time. The lights aren't darker than many factory tail lights and although the light output is obviously slightly decreased from stock, there is still plenty of light. The reflectors still reflect just fine and I have no worries about the lights creating any risks. Thanks for everyone's input and please let's end this thread right here.
If you like the lights and want some, contact Dee as he did an amazing job on these.
Thanks
-- Ed
If you like the lights and want some, contact Dee as he did an amazing job on these.
Thanks
-- Ed
| no1ukn0w | 03-07-2003 11:01 PM |
Really I think the main problem is....
I didn't get a MBP WRX .. they just look so sweet :D :D
I didn't get a MBP WRX .. they just look so sweet :D :D
| rexmobbin' | 03-08-2003 12:07 PM |
dude, those look sooo sick. im gonna do mine really soon, as soon as it gets a little warmer, my question is how does one go about clearcoating them? do you have to take it somewhere special, or does somebody sell clearcoat? great looking though
| Equilibrium Tuning | 03-08-2003 03:54 PM |
Thanks guys... finally back to what this thread is about....
how sweet these look :D
Thanks
-- Ed
how sweet these look :D
Thanks
-- Ed
| Egan | 03-08-2003 04:23 PM |
Ed,
I'm looking forward to seeing those in person at the Lake Berryessa meet next week.
I'm looking forward to seeing those in person at the Lake Berryessa meet next week.
| MUGWUMP | 03-09-2003 04:29 PM |
Wow those look great! I think I'm going to try this when it gets warmer out.
Oh!
I think "someone" we know needs to get laid and worry about his own problems.
Come ON! You're actually seriously concerned about everyones safety for making some taillight a bit darker? I'm willing to bet you can NOT tell the difference at night when they're lit up. This stuff cracks me up... are you a democrat?
Oh!
I think "someone" we know needs to get laid and worry about his own problems.
Come ON! You're actually seriously concerned about everyones safety for making some taillight a bit darker? I'm willing to bet you can NOT tell the difference at night when they're lit up. This stuff cracks me up... are you a democrat?
| scrappydoo | 03-09-2003 04:47 PM |
What's up guys, I tinted mine last night and they look sweet. I masked off the revese light, three reflectors in the rear, and one big reflector on the side. Viola!! all reflectors are visible cause I didn't tint em, not even clearcoat. I used Nite-shades tint. It works just as good as the more expensive stuff. It's real easy to remove the tails, you guys can figure it out without a walkthrough. There's no percentage tint to the spray stuff, if you want it darker than add more coats. To black the tails out comletely you gotta empty the whole can. I used 4 coats and it still doesn't look as dark as the tails in this thread. I'm sure if i tale a picture of it it'll LOOK really dark like the tails here. In person they look fine, you can see the lights and reflectors really well.
Marcel
Marcel
| no1ukn0w | 03-09-2003 05:03 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by MUGWUMP [/i]
[B]Wow those look great! I think I'm going to try this when it gets warmer out.
Oh!
I think "someone" we know needs to get laid and worry about his own problems.
Come ON! You're actually seriously concerned about everyones safety for making some taillight a bit darker? I'm willing to bet you can NOT tell the difference at night when they're lit up. This stuff cracks me up... are you a democrat? [/B][/QUOTE]
How old are you 12? Get laid? I haven't used a "put down" like that since I was about 16. I will not get into my sexual life with some kid on a internet board sorry.
How sersious are you about this bet? How much of mommy and daddy's money you want to put up? But I'll hold you up to that bet (you decide how much you can afford). We can messure the light output.. any idiot knows that if you put paint on something its going to change the light ouput.
Democrat? nope republican that thinks law's (most of them) are in place for legitamate reason.
I'm done with this thread.. please pm me the amount you would like to bet and we can work out the rest.
thanks, now go do your homework.
[B]Wow those look great! I think I'm going to try this when it gets warmer out.
Oh!
I think "someone" we know needs to get laid and worry about his own problems.
Come ON! You're actually seriously concerned about everyones safety for making some taillight a bit darker? I'm willing to bet you can NOT tell the difference at night when they're lit up. This stuff cracks me up... are you a democrat? [/B][/QUOTE]
How old are you 12? Get laid? I haven't used a "put down" like that since I was about 16. I will not get into my sexual life with some kid on a internet board sorry.
How sersious are you about this bet? How much of mommy and daddy's money you want to put up? But I'll hold you up to that bet (you decide how much you can afford). We can messure the light output.. any idiot knows that if you put paint on something its going to change the light ouput.
Democrat? nope republican that thinks law's (most of them) are in place for legitamate reason.
I'm done with this thread.. please pm me the amount you would like to bet and we can work out the rest.
thanks, now go do your homework.
| SCOOBYDOOD | 03-09-2003 08:35 PM |
I don't like em. What's the difference between doing that and putting on altezzas? Both is to enhance the looks of the taillights. Both look ugly. I don't know why you're getting props for it. BTW you can tint em yourself with a $5 can of spray tint. Don't know why Dee is charging $75..
| MUGWUMP | 03-09-2003 10:28 PM |
(I love these guys. It's so easy to get them bent.)
I tell ya what... You pay for me to come down there, along with the owner of the car whos lights are in question, and I'll bet you one dollar the lights look damn bright at night and you can see the reflectors. Get where I'm coming from?
You sir, with all due repect, need to go back to school(figuratively). You can't see a troll who is beating you in the face? I hope I got your panties in a bunch.
Wait, let's get back on topic. WHY ON EARTH do you feel it is your duty to come in here and preach about safety and such?
Hey don't get me wrong. I've done my fair share of bashing stuff I don't like, but I don't reach so far as to say something like they're unsafe.
All I'm saying here is a LOT of people just need to relax and stop worrying about RIDICULOUS things like this.
Oh, and sir, by pulling out the "12 year old/mommy and daddy" crap you've sunk to the same level as I did. I'm grabbing the popcorn... let's keep this going.
P.S. Really man... get over it. You know the whole "needs to get laid" thing is a common ribbing we give to someone who needs to relax. I knew, with a few well placed words, that I could get you all riled up.
I tell ya what... You pay for me to come down there, along with the owner of the car whos lights are in question, and I'll bet you one dollar the lights look damn bright at night and you can see the reflectors. Get where I'm coming from?
You sir, with all due repect, need to go back to school(figuratively). You can't see a troll who is beating you in the face? I hope I got your panties in a bunch.
Wait, let's get back on topic. WHY ON EARTH do you feel it is your duty to come in here and preach about safety and such?
Hey don't get me wrong. I've done my fair share of bashing stuff I don't like, but I don't reach so far as to say something like they're unsafe.
All I'm saying here is a LOT of people just need to relax and stop worrying about RIDICULOUS things like this.
Oh, and sir, by pulling out the "12 year old/mommy and daddy" crap you've sunk to the same level as I did. I'm grabbing the popcorn... let's keep this going.
P.S. Really man... get over it. You know the whole "needs to get laid" thing is a common ribbing we give to someone who needs to relax. I knew, with a few well placed words, that I could get you all riled up.
| no1ukn0w | 03-09-2003 10:52 PM |
riled up?! hah.. I was laughing at you the whole time I was posting.. it was a great laff to a rather boring day.
I don't feel its my duty.. I was giving a reason why its not smart to do. Tommorow when I get into the office I will pm you some pics why I care so much.
I don't feel its my duty.. I was giving a reason why its not smart to do. Tommorow when I get into the office I will pm you some pics why I care so much.
| MUGWUMP | 03-10-2003 12:32 AM |
I just went through and read the thread over, and I see I'll get nowhere here. Litigious types are mostly set in stone, be it by nature or profession.
I feel sorry when I hear about things like what you described earlier, but we're talking about a light smoking on some taillights of a compact car. Your example earlier is moot.
Really didn't mean to offend you earlier but your tone was rather rude so I figured I'd hop in.
I feel sorry when I hear about things like what you described earlier, but we're talking about a light smoking on some taillights of a compact car. Your example earlier is moot.
Really didn't mean to offend you earlier but your tone was rather rude so I figured I'd hop in.
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