| Protege Menace | 02-13-2005 03:32 PM |
Nascar considering to buy WRC
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Im not posting this as a truth, but its off of the Speed Channel forums. Supposedly out of a publication called 'BusinessF1'
"It is known that NASCAR did send some high-powered delegations to Europe last summer <2003> to feel out opportunities. One asset they could buy very cheaply is the World Rally Championship. Although everyone denies it, NASCAR ran a slide rule over the numbers and then ran a mile. Pyne won't comment on the idea that he and Brian France evolved a plan that would involve World Rally changing to a dirt-track stadium style racing. He simply says, "I cannot answer directly."
saw that on the rally forums
[url]http://www.specialstage.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=225&topic_id=1960&mesg_id=2027#2027[/url]
"It is known that NASCAR did send some high-powered delegations to Europe last summer <2003> to feel out opportunities. One asset they could buy very cheaply is the World Rally Championship. Although everyone denies it, NASCAR ran a slide rule over the numbers and then ran a mile. Pyne won't comment on the idea that he and Brian France evolved a plan that would involve World Rally changing to a dirt-track stadium style racing. He simply says, "I cannot answer directly."
saw that on the rally forums
[url]http://www.specialstage.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=225&topic_id=1960&mesg_id=2027#2027[/url]
| teh Phil | 02-13-2005 04:31 PM |
Please, no.......
| nate49509 | 02-13-2005 05:27 PM |
Even hearing rumors of this makes me sick.
| AJ711 | 02-13-2005 05:49 PM |
God, if you're listening....
| skycop | 02-13-2005 05:57 PM |
Who's ready for banjos?!
| Ferg | 02-13-2005 06:46 PM |
You'd have to pry the commercial rights out of David Richards cold dead hands first.
| boxered | 02-13-2005 06:55 PM |
:lol: :lol: ..awesome. I live 9 miles from the Daytona speedway, just think Petter, Seb and the boys right in my own backyard! :p
| johnei | 02-13-2005 06:58 PM |
Supercross style - boy that takes the fun out of it.
| speedyHAM | 02-13-2005 07:22 PM |
Something else would start up to take it's place. Traditional rally will not just get bought out and move onto a dirt track.
| STi-BOD- | 02-13-2005 07:28 PM |
but rally cars make left and right hand turns.... INSANE :lol:
| timman_24 | 02-13-2005 07:47 PM |
Great, now we will have to watch monte carlos rally... Seems like it would be popular with the demographic, rednecks can mud their truck on the way to spectate, hell ya :rolleyes:. Is britney spears gonna drop the flag? Viagra subaru?
| FlyinbySTi | 02-13-2005 08:11 PM |
Well there would probably be some good and bad points if they did. Most likely more bad then good. It may help to bring more rally to TV and make events bigger.
| Subie Gal | 02-13-2005 08:14 PM |
:lol:
NASCAR couldnt afford WRC... on so many different levels....
NASCAR couldnt afford WRC... on so many different levels....
| DELTA_Rotary | 02-13-2005 10:02 PM |
As if the world didnt hate us enough as it is...
| Ruff | 02-13-2005 10:28 PM |
[QUOTE=Protege Menace]Im not posting this as a truth, but its off of the Speed Channel forums. Supposedly out of a publication called 'BusinessF1'
"It is known that NASCAR did send some high-powered delegations to Europe last summer <2003> to feel out opportunities. One asset they could buy very cheaply is the World Rally Championship. Although everyone denies it, NASCAR ran a slide rule over the numbers and then ran a mile. Pyne won't comment on the idea that he and Brian France evolved a plan that would involve World Rally changing to a dirt-track stadium style racing. He simply says, "I cannot answer directly."
saw that on the rally forums
[url]http://www.specialstage.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=225&topic_id=1960&mesg_id=2027#2027[/url][/QUOTE]
Crappy to hear if this rumor even came to be true..btw who is Brian France. Do they mean Bill France? That right there could make this rumor false.
"It is known that NASCAR did send some high-powered delegations to Europe last summer <2003> to feel out opportunities. One asset they could buy very cheaply is the World Rally Championship. Although everyone denies it, NASCAR ran a slide rule over the numbers and then ran a mile. Pyne won't comment on the idea that he and Brian France evolved a plan that would involve World Rally changing to a dirt-track stadium style racing. He simply says, "I cannot answer directly."
saw that on the rally forums
[url]http://www.specialstage.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=225&topic_id=1960&mesg_id=2027#2027[/url][/QUOTE]
Crappy to hear if this rumor even came to be true..btw who is Brian France. Do they mean Bill France? That right there could make this rumor false.
| Opie | 02-13-2005 10:30 PM |
[QUOTE=Ruff]Crappy to hear if this rumor even came to be true..btw who is Brian France. Do they mean Bill France? That right there could make this rumor false.[/QUOTE]
Brian France is Bill France Jr.'s son, he took over NASCAR operations more than a year ago.
Brian France is Bill France Jr.'s son, he took over NASCAR operations more than a year ago.
| Crash477 | 02-13-2005 11:36 PM |
that would suck balls.
| ANZAC_1915 | 02-13-2005 11:52 PM |
I smell the foul and evil stench of the SCCA at work here ("CircuitRally")
| slowscooby | 02-14-2005 12:11 AM |
oh lord please noo......
| 8Complex | 02-14-2005 01:03 AM |
What would they be thinking of buying? WRC is going to be dead afer next season considering there will only be 3 teams in at that time (Ford/Subaru/Skoda).
Come to think about it, it seems a better time to buy it, and change the series to make it more profitable for both them and the teams. WRC really is a horribly wasteful series in terms of money on the manufacturers part... it's just that it's so damned fun that keeps them all going.
Come to think about it, it seems a better time to buy it, and change the series to make it more profitable for both them and the teams. WRC really is a horribly wasteful series in terms of money on the manufacturers part... it's just that it's so damned fun that keeps them all going.
| Mechkiller31st | 02-14-2005 01:58 AM |
Ijust really got interested in rally racing last year and god help us if NASCAR buys WRC. It would destoy it. Though I do have to agree with the number of teams slowly dwindeling it does look like WRC's days are numbered. but if WRC goes down what do you think will happen to Subaru I mean arnt our Impreza's "Rally bred"? Same goes for the Lan Evo. But... then again it would be nice to see an Impreza mopping up the contest in a Nascar Race :devil:
| nKoan | 02-14-2005 02:01 AM |
Um, there will be 4 teams, Ford, Subaru, Skoda and Mitsubishi. And the possibility of Hyundai's return along with Renault/Nissan and Suzuki, I don't think next year will be boring at all.
| Mechkiller31st | 02-14-2005 02:03 AM |
I remember some talks a little while ago about Dodge thinking about entering their SRT-4 into the WRC. can anyone back that up or shoot it down?
| 8Complex | 02-14-2005 02:24 AM |
[QUOTE=nKoan]Um, there will be 4 teams, Ford, Subaru, Skoda and Mitsubishi. And the possibility of Hyundai's return along with Renault/Nissan and Suzuki, I don't think next year will be boring at all.[/QUOTE]
Mitsubishi? Wow, I completely forgot about them. They've sucked or have been out for as long as I've been watching. Would definitely be interesting to see what Hyundai and Renault/Nissan would come up with to race, though. I don't think either have the right following to be willing to pop the heavy cash into an off-road racing series, though.
Mitsubishi? Wow, I completely forgot about them. They've sucked or have been out for as long as I've been watching. Would definitely be interesting to see what Hyundai and Renault/Nissan would come up with to race, though. I don't think either have the right following to be willing to pop the heavy cash into an off-road racing series, though.
| Paisan | 02-14-2005 04:11 AM |
I'd like to see NASCAR buy the series and promote it, but keep it relatively intact. NASCAR, even though most of us dislike the type of racing (left turn, left turn, left turn, etc) you have to admit one thing about NASCAR, they have a Heck of a good marketing and promotions department, and that is what brings in sponsor money, and sponsor money is what makes the sport more likely to grow and suceed.
-mike
-mike
| sTiknight | 02-14-2005 09:40 AM |
that's totally gay.
| gargleblaster | 02-14-2005 09:58 AM |
Why don't they leave WRC alone and start their own series Stateside that's comprised of nothing but Super Special Stages? That's the only thing that they could be interested in anyway.
The thought of having cars with functional headlights, widhshield wipers and rain tyres must be making their heads spin... :lol:
The thought of having cars with functional headlights, widhshield wipers and rain tyres must be making their heads spin... :lol:
| ITWRX4ME | 02-14-2005 10:10 AM |
That's pretty funny. But why bother? If they want stadium style dirt races why not just do it. It's not like they need anything from WRC to do that. A more likely partner would be Monster Jam.
Or, could something more sinister be in the works? Maybe they just want to buy it to squash it, ala Microsoft. Muhuhahahaha!!
Or, could something more sinister be in the works? Maybe they just want to buy it to squash it, ala Microsoft. Muhuhahahaha!!
| SubaruCO | 02-14-2005 10:20 AM |
[QUOTE=gargleblaster]The thought of having cars with functional headlights, widhshield wipers and rain tyres must be making their heads spin... :lol:[/QUOTE]
...not to mention the concept of fuel injection...egads!
...not to mention the concept of fuel injection...egads!
| psyber_0ptix | 02-14-2005 10:23 AM |
half the fun of the [b]world[/b] rally championship is the locations....
| teh Phil | 02-14-2005 11:18 AM |
[QUOTE=Paisan]I'd like to see NASCAR buy the series and promote it, but keep it relatively intact. NASCAR, even though most of us dislike the type of racing (left turn, left turn, left turn, etc) you have to admit one thing about NASCAR, they have a Heck of a good marketing and promotions department, and that is what brings in sponsor money, and sponsor money is what makes the sport more likely to grow and suceed.
-mike[/QUOTE]
But also what helps to destroy the traditions.....
-mike[/QUOTE]
But also what helps to destroy the traditions.....
| johnei | 02-14-2005 01:08 PM |
I don't know - nascar did start with a bunch of good ol boys running moonshine down narrow rural roads at night.
From an article about Jr. Johnson. [I]
He is credited with inventing the "bootleg turn" in which a whiskey hauler jammed the car into second gear and gave the steering wheel a mighty tug to the left. If successful, the car spun 180 degrees, stayed on the road, and charged off in the opposite direction. [/I]
From an article about Jr. Johnson. [I]
He is credited with inventing the "bootleg turn" in which a whiskey hauler jammed the car into second gear and gave the steering wheel a mighty tug to the left. If successful, the car spun 180 degrees, stayed on the road, and charged off in the opposite direction. [/I]
| AlexP | 02-14-2005 01:18 PM |
It's a hoax.
[url]http://insider.speedtv.com/viewtopic.php?t=63059[/url]
[url]http://insider.speedtv.com/viewtopic.php?t=63059[/url]
| FaastLegacy | 02-14-2005 02:24 PM |
[QUOTE=8Complex]What would they be thinking of buying? WRC is going to be dead afer next season considering there will only be 3 teams in at that time (Ford/Subaru/Skoda).
Come to think about it, it seems a better time to buy it, and change the series to make it more profitable for both them and the teams. WRC really is a horribly wasteful series in terms of money on the manufacturers part... it's just that it's so damned fun that keeps them all going.[/QUOTE]
You do realize there are more cars competing in a WRC round than just the WRC class cars don't you? Manufacturers are cool but I'd still watch the privateers go at it, afterall that's essentially what has happened to Prorally(whatever it's called now).
[quote]But... then again it would be nice to see an Impreza mopping up the contest in a Nascar Race[/quote]
No.
-faast
Come to think about it, it seems a better time to buy it, and change the series to make it more profitable for both them and the teams. WRC really is a horribly wasteful series in terms of money on the manufacturers part... it's just that it's so damned fun that keeps them all going.[/QUOTE]
You do realize there are more cars competing in a WRC round than just the WRC class cars don't you? Manufacturers are cool but I'd still watch the privateers go at it, afterall that's essentially what has happened to Prorally(whatever it's called now).
[quote]But... then again it would be nice to see an Impreza mopping up the contest in a Nascar Race[/quote]
No.
-faast
| Mechkiller31st | 02-14-2005 02:30 PM |
Hey it was just a thought :p , how are you able to watch the privateers. SPeed CHannel only shows just the main racers on average. I would love to watch 3 straight days of rally instead of 30 mins per a day.
| FaastLegacy | 02-14-2005 02:39 PM |
[QUOTE=Mechkiller31st]Hey it was just a thought :p , how are you able to watch the privateers. SPeed CHannel only shows just the main racers on average. I would love to watch 3 straight days of rally instead of 30 mins per a day.[/QUOTE]
Sadly, if the manufacturers drop out, then the money is gone and you can bet your ass Speed won't air WRC when that happens.
Sadly, if the manufacturers drop out, then the money is gone and you can bet your ass Speed won't air WRC when that happens.
| ChrisW | 02-14-2005 03:52 PM |
[QUOTE=Paisan]I'd like to see NASCAR buy the series and promote it, but keep it relatively intact. NASCAR, even though most of us dislike the type of racing (left turn, left turn, left turn, etc) you have to admit one thing about NASCAR, they have a Heck of a good marketing and promotions department, and that is what brings in sponsor money, and sponsor money is what makes the sport more likely to grow and suceed.
-mike[/QUOTE]
Mike,
their marketing and promotion is so successful due to the circle tracks that offer the advertisers "maximum coverage" from the fans in the stuck swilling beer in the stands.
-mike[/QUOTE]
Mike,
their marketing and promotion is so successful due to the circle tracks that offer the advertisers "maximum coverage" from the fans in the stuck swilling beer in the stands.
| boxered | 02-14-2005 05:07 PM |
[QUOTE=psyber_0ptix]half the fun of the [b]world[/b] rally championship is the locations....[/QUOTE]
I can see it now..watkins glenn in the dead of winter.. new snow event on the WRC
:lol:
I can see it now..watkins glenn in the dead of winter.. new snow event on the WRC
:lol:
| DELTA_Rotary | 02-14-2005 08:56 PM |
[QUOTE=8Complex]What would they be thinking of buying? WRC is going to be dead afer next season considering there will only be 3 teams in at that time (Ford/Subaru/Skoda).
Come to think about it, it seems a better time to buy it, and change the series to make it more profitable for both them and the teams. WRC really is a horribly wasteful series in terms of money on the manufacturers part... it's just that it's so damned fun that keeps them all going.[/QUOTE]
So are Peugeot and Citroen going to drop out too? I seriously doubt it considering how well they are doing.
Come to think about it, it seems a better time to buy it, and change the series to make it more profitable for both them and the teams. WRC really is a horribly wasteful series in terms of money on the manufacturers part... it's just that it's so damned fun that keeps them all going.[/QUOTE]
So are Peugeot and Citroen going to drop out too? I seriously doubt it considering how well they are doing.
| STi_Guy04 | 02-14-2005 09:13 PM |
Damn why are all the good teasm dropin out??? I hope WRC goes forever I love watching the sport... Its the best type of racing I think, I cant belive all those good teams are quiting
| FaastLegacy | 02-14-2005 11:24 PM |
[QUOTE=DELTA_Rotary]So are Peugeot and Citroen going to drop out too? I seriously doubt it considering how well they are doing.[/QUOTE]
PCA has already announced they're pulling both teams after 2005.
-faast
PCA has already announced they're pulling both teams after 2005.
-faast
| Anibalz | 02-15-2005 12:08 AM |
It's PSA, not PCA... they're pulling out of WRC due to company financial problems...apparently not many pugs and citroens are being sold lately...
| DELTA_Rotary | 02-15-2005 02:53 AM |
Man there are going to be some good drivers without jobs.
| DuoMaxwell | 02-15-2005 03:23 AM |
[QUOTE=Subie Gal]:lol:
NASCAR couldnt afford WRC... on so many different levels....[/QUOTE]
Hang up your Suby rally roots if you believe that Subie gal. NASCAR is like the most watched motor sport there is. Think of it as the WWE of motor sports, not much excitement but tons of rednecks and beer!!!
NASCAR couldnt afford WRC... on so many different levels....[/QUOTE]
Hang up your Suby rally roots if you believe that Subie gal. NASCAR is like the most watched motor sport there is. Think of it as the WWE of motor sports, not much excitement but tons of rednecks and beer!!!
| DELTA_Rotary | 02-15-2005 03:57 AM |
[QUOTE=DuoMaxwell]Hang up your Suby rally roots if you believe that Subie gal. NASCAR is like the most watched motor sport there is. Think of it as the WWE of motor sports, not much excitement but tons of rednecks and beer!!![/QUOTE]
Try F1.
Try F1.
| Paisan | 02-15-2005 05:05 AM |
[QUOTE=Midnight Stangz]But also what helps to destroy the traditions.....[/QUOTE]
True, but without $$$ most sports die out or are not of the caliper they should or could be.
-mike
True, but without $$$ most sports die out or are not of the caliper they should or could be.
-mike
| icantdrive75 | 02-15-2005 05:05 AM |
I see a trend in America, and I don't know if other people have noticed...but I see a new wave in automotives. We are the new muscle cars. The year 2005 is our 1965.
Ok, flash back, 1965. Ford realizes that the youth of america is the hot market. Under one of the greatest marketing campaigns in automotive history, the mustang is released. Americans love it. Chevy comes out with the camaro to compete.
Eventually they want to go faster, so the engines get bigger(the cheapest way of going faster when gas wasn't an issue). Motorsports become popular and manufacturers begin pouring money into NASCAR(it might've been another orginization, but one similar). The manufacturers bring race performance to the street.
Ford builds a mustang, chevy builds the camaro faster, ford builds the mustang faster, and up and up they go. Plymouth comes out with the hemi. On and on, etc, etc, until we reach today.
The end of the muscle car era. GM fails to find the camaro or firebird lucrative. The end of a performance age. But history has a tendency to repeat itself.
What starts out as an underground tuning community explodes into mainstream with The Fast and the Furious. I hate what the movie has done to the additude of the average tuner and our image in the community, but I will swallow my pride, and admit that this movie is what turned me onto cars.
Subaru realizes that the youth of america is the hot market. The WRX is released. Americans love it. Mitsubishi comes out with the EVO to compete. Eventually they want to go faster so they turn up the boost(the cheapest way of going faster when gas is such a big issue). Plymouth comes out with the new age hemi in the SRT-4.
Now...here is where we are today. This is now.
Motorsports are growing, but it will take time for WRC or an orginization like it to become popular. Subaru and mitsu are already locked in a horsepower battle that would make ford and chevy jealous. And if Mitsu fails to remain solvent. There are companies that will fill the void.
Someday, maybe not next year, maybe not the next 5, but someday, you will see your WRC coverage on ESPN. WRC events will take place all over the US. And eventually, Subaru will discontinue the WRX.
Someone else is right now, thinking of the 6 second hydrogen vehicle. And they'll hate us, for not getting enough coverage of their hydrogen races on TV. And we'll have big 555 stickers going across the back window of our trucks. And have little calvins peeing on a big 'H'.
Our time will come. Be patient.
Thus sayeth Danny.
Ok, flash back, 1965. Ford realizes that the youth of america is the hot market. Under one of the greatest marketing campaigns in automotive history, the mustang is released. Americans love it. Chevy comes out with the camaro to compete.
Eventually they want to go faster, so the engines get bigger(the cheapest way of going faster when gas wasn't an issue). Motorsports become popular and manufacturers begin pouring money into NASCAR(it might've been another orginization, but one similar). The manufacturers bring race performance to the street.
Ford builds a mustang, chevy builds the camaro faster, ford builds the mustang faster, and up and up they go. Plymouth comes out with the hemi. On and on, etc, etc, until we reach today.
The end of the muscle car era. GM fails to find the camaro or firebird lucrative. The end of a performance age. But history has a tendency to repeat itself.
What starts out as an underground tuning community explodes into mainstream with The Fast and the Furious. I hate what the movie has done to the additude of the average tuner and our image in the community, but I will swallow my pride, and admit that this movie is what turned me onto cars.
Subaru realizes that the youth of america is the hot market. The WRX is released. Americans love it. Mitsubishi comes out with the EVO to compete. Eventually they want to go faster so they turn up the boost(the cheapest way of going faster when gas is such a big issue). Plymouth comes out with the new age hemi in the SRT-4.
Now...here is where we are today. This is now.
Motorsports are growing, but it will take time for WRC or an orginization like it to become popular. Subaru and mitsu are already locked in a horsepower battle that would make ford and chevy jealous. And if Mitsu fails to remain solvent. There are companies that will fill the void.
Someday, maybe not next year, maybe not the next 5, but someday, you will see your WRC coverage on ESPN. WRC events will take place all over the US. And eventually, Subaru will discontinue the WRX.
Someone else is right now, thinking of the 6 second hydrogen vehicle. And they'll hate us, for not getting enough coverage of their hydrogen races on TV. And we'll have big 555 stickers going across the back window of our trucks. And have little calvins peeing on a big 'H'.
Our time will come. Be patient.
Thus sayeth Danny.
| Paisan | 02-15-2005 05:06 AM |
[QUOTE=boxered]I can see it now..watkins glenn in the dead of winter.. new snow event on the WRC
:lol:[/QUOTE]
And what would be wrong with something like that? Watkins is a great track by the way.
-mike
:lol:[/QUOTE]
And what would be wrong with something like that? Watkins is a great track by the way.
-mike
| Paisan | 02-15-2005 05:08 AM |
[QUOTE=ChrisW]Mike,
their marketing and promotion is so successful due to the circle tracks that offer the advertisers "maximum coverage" from the fans in the stuck swilling beer in the stands.[/QUOTE]
True, but I believe most of the advertising money comes from the networks carrying them on TV, the fans at the events don't generate the majority of the revenue. I'm sure they could put a spin on WRC that would generate lots of $ and interest, if they feed it to the public properly...
-mike
their marketing and promotion is so successful due to the circle tracks that offer the advertisers "maximum coverage" from the fans in the stuck swilling beer in the stands.[/QUOTE]
True, but I believe most of the advertising money comes from the networks carrying them on TV, the fans at the events don't generate the majority of the revenue. I'm sure they could put a spin on WRC that would generate lots of $ and interest, if they feed it to the public properly...
-mike
| Paisan | 02-15-2005 05:11 AM |
[QUOTE=icantdrive75]I see a trend in America, and I don't know if other people have noticed...but I see a new wave in automotives. We are the new muscle cars. The year 2005 is our 1965.
Ok, flash back, 1965. Ford realizes that the youth of america is the hot market. Under one of the greatest marketing campaigns in automotive history, the mustang is released. Americans love it. Chevy comes out with the camaro to compete.
Eventually they want to go faster, so the engines get bigger(the cheapest way of going faster when gas wasn't an issue). Motorsports become popular and manufacturers begin pouring money into NASCAR(it might've been another orginization, but one similar). The manufacturers bring race performance to the street.
Ford builds a mustang, chevy builds the camaro faster, ford builds the mustang faster, and up and up they go. Plymouth comes out with the hemi. On and on, etc, etc, until we reach today.
The end of the muscle car era. GM fails to find the camaro or firebird lucrative. The end of a performance age. But history has a tendency to repeat itself.
What starts out as an underground tuning community explodes into mainstream with The Fast and the Furious. I hate what the movie has done to the additude of the average tuner and our image in the community, but I will swallow my pride, and admit that this movie is what turned me onto cars.
Subaru realizes that the youth of america is the hot market. The WRX is released. Americans love it. Mitsubishi comes out with the EVO to compete. Eventually they want to go faster so they turn up the boost(the cheapest way of going faster when gas is such a big issue). Plymouth comes out with the new age hemi in the SRT-4.
Now...here is where we are today. This is now.
Motorsports are growing, but it will take time for WRC or an orginization like it to become popular. Subaru and mitsu are already locked in a horsepower battle that would make ford and chevy jealous. And if Mitsu fails to remain solvent. There are companies that will fill the void.
Someday, maybe not next year, maybe not the next 5, but someday, you will see your WRC coverage on ESPN. WRC events will take place all over the US. And eventually, Subaru will discontinue the WRX.
Someone else is right now, is thinking of the 6 second hydrogen vehicle. And they'll hate us, for not getting enough coverage of their hydrogen races on TV. And we'll have big 555 stickers going across the back window of our trucks. And have little calvins peeing on a big 'H'.
Our time will come. Be patient.
Thus sayeth Danny.[/QUOTE]
Very very well put my friend. I agree with you on this analogy. It's just a matter of time before this new-age muscle car moves into motorsports. Hopefully it'll be more Subies and evos doing road racing that would be nice, if SCCA would get off their butt and accept them as being quite popular cars and classify them etc.
-mike
Ok, flash back, 1965. Ford realizes that the youth of america is the hot market. Under one of the greatest marketing campaigns in automotive history, the mustang is released. Americans love it. Chevy comes out with the camaro to compete.
Eventually they want to go faster, so the engines get bigger(the cheapest way of going faster when gas wasn't an issue). Motorsports become popular and manufacturers begin pouring money into NASCAR(it might've been another orginization, but one similar). The manufacturers bring race performance to the street.
Ford builds a mustang, chevy builds the camaro faster, ford builds the mustang faster, and up and up they go. Plymouth comes out with the hemi. On and on, etc, etc, until we reach today.
The end of the muscle car era. GM fails to find the camaro or firebird lucrative. The end of a performance age. But history has a tendency to repeat itself.
What starts out as an underground tuning community explodes into mainstream with The Fast and the Furious. I hate what the movie has done to the additude of the average tuner and our image in the community, but I will swallow my pride, and admit that this movie is what turned me onto cars.
Subaru realizes that the youth of america is the hot market. The WRX is released. Americans love it. Mitsubishi comes out with the EVO to compete. Eventually they want to go faster so they turn up the boost(the cheapest way of going faster when gas is such a big issue). Plymouth comes out with the new age hemi in the SRT-4.
Now...here is where we are today. This is now.
Motorsports are growing, but it will take time for WRC or an orginization like it to become popular. Subaru and mitsu are already locked in a horsepower battle that would make ford and chevy jealous. And if Mitsu fails to remain solvent. There are companies that will fill the void.
Someday, maybe not next year, maybe not the next 5, but someday, you will see your WRC coverage on ESPN. WRC events will take place all over the US. And eventually, Subaru will discontinue the WRX.
Someone else is right now, is thinking of the 6 second hydrogen vehicle. And they'll hate us, for not getting enough coverage of their hydrogen races on TV. And we'll have big 555 stickers going across the back window of our trucks. And have little calvins peeing on a big 'H'.
Our time will come. Be patient.
Thus sayeth Danny.[/QUOTE]
Very very well put my friend. I agree with you on this analogy. It's just a matter of time before this new-age muscle car moves into motorsports. Hopefully it'll be more Subies and evos doing road racing that would be nice, if SCCA would get off their butt and accept them as being quite popular cars and classify them etc.
-mike
| boxered | 02-15-2005 07:08 AM |
[QUOTE=Paisan]And what would be wrong with something like that? Watkins is a great track by the way.
-mike[/QUOTE]
I'm not disparging the Glen at all, just the idea of teh WRC at a NASCAR staple seems hilarious. It's almost like F1 running at Indy...wait ;)
-mike[/QUOTE]
I'm not disparging the Glen at all, just the idea of teh WRC at a NASCAR staple seems hilarious. It's almost like F1 running at Indy...wait ;)
| Paisan | 02-15-2005 12:34 PM |
[QUOTE=boxered]I'm not disparging the Glen at all, just the idea of teh WRC at a NASCAR staple seems hilarious. It's almost like F1 running at Indy...wait ;)[/QUOTE]
Haa, but the Glen has Left and Right turns, that's not common for NASCAR! Haaaaa :)
-mike
Haa, but the Glen has Left and Right turns, that's not common for NASCAR! Haaaaa :)
-mike
| FaastLegacy | 02-15-2005 12:36 PM |
[quote]Motorsports are growing, but it will take time for WRC or an orginization like it to become popular.[/quote]
The WRC will never become mainstream popular in the US, not going to happen. For one, we don't have a WRC event in the US and while we have Mexico, it's not close enough in proximity to attract the average fan whose only exposure to the WRC has been on the Speed channel. A sport like the WRC isn't going to become popular solely with TV coverage alone. Also, Americans are lazy, we like going to big, stadium sized racetracks and watching cars go round in circles. Not many people have the fortitude to sit out on a country road at 10PM in the middle of bumfock when it's 30 degrees outside to see brief glimpses of rally cars. The US also doesn't have much participation in the WRC, this kinda goes back to not having a race here. There are no mainstream American drivers driving the works cars and there are no American privateers that I know of; the privateers don't get air time anyway so it's a moot point. There's only one "American" manufacturer but even that's up for debate, it's an English team.
I just don't see the WRC becoming mainstream popular in the US.
[quote]The end of the muscle car era.[/quote]
Not to split hairs, but the muscle car era was dead long before the Camaro and Firebird were killed in 2002. Traditionally, F-bodies aren't considered muscle cars persay, I think the term "pony car" is more appropriate. But I get your point.
-faast
The WRC will never become mainstream popular in the US, not going to happen. For one, we don't have a WRC event in the US and while we have Mexico, it's not close enough in proximity to attract the average fan whose only exposure to the WRC has been on the Speed channel. A sport like the WRC isn't going to become popular solely with TV coverage alone. Also, Americans are lazy, we like going to big, stadium sized racetracks and watching cars go round in circles. Not many people have the fortitude to sit out on a country road at 10PM in the middle of bumfock when it's 30 degrees outside to see brief glimpses of rally cars. The US also doesn't have much participation in the WRC, this kinda goes back to not having a race here. There are no mainstream American drivers driving the works cars and there are no American privateers that I know of; the privateers don't get air time anyway so it's a moot point. There's only one "American" manufacturer but even that's up for debate, it's an English team.
I just don't see the WRC becoming mainstream popular in the US.
[quote]The end of the muscle car era.[/quote]
Not to split hairs, but the muscle car era was dead long before the Camaro and Firebird were killed in 2002. Traditionally, F-bodies aren't considered muscle cars persay, I think the term "pony car" is more appropriate. But I get your point.
-faast
| TheRipler | 02-15-2005 12:44 PM |
[QUOTE=boxered]I'm not disparging the Glen at all, just the idea of teh WRC at a NASCAR staple seems hilarious.[/QUOTE]
It's almost like F1 running at Watkin's Glen. :alien:
It's almost like F1 running at Watkin's Glen. :alien:
| gargleblaster | 02-15-2005 02:10 PM |
Why not run the WRC events in Las Vegas resort parking lots? ;) WTH is Pook up to nowadays, anyway?
| DetroitWRX | 02-17-2005 12:58 PM |
NASCAR do it.
NASCAR has big tracks that they use 2 weeks out of the year. They want to do Special Stages on the infield and fill the stands with new rally fans that will like the sport now cuz they do not have to stand outside in the woods. Like that race of champs thing but at tracks not a soccer stadium. Lately I have caught NASCAR drivers saying things like "that WRC racing looks like fun" and "I respect Petter a lot."
They want the WRC for the name to promote it have the Viagra Subaru and everything. A real rally series would pop up from the purist that are appalled by the NASCAR bastardring of the sport and that rally series will be bigger than now cuz the NASCAR idiots will flock to that also. Rally would never be NASCAR big but bigger than NASTRUCK.
Thus making the sport I like get more coverage and bigger better races. We would have to put up with NASCAR idiot but we have to now might as well have them helping a better form of racing.
NASCAR has big tracks that they use 2 weeks out of the year. They want to do Special Stages on the infield and fill the stands with new rally fans that will like the sport now cuz they do not have to stand outside in the woods. Like that race of champs thing but at tracks not a soccer stadium. Lately I have caught NASCAR drivers saying things like "that WRC racing looks like fun" and "I respect Petter a lot."
They want the WRC for the name to promote it have the Viagra Subaru and everything. A real rally series would pop up from the purist that are appalled by the NASCAR bastardring of the sport and that rally series will be bigger than now cuz the NASCAR idiots will flock to that also. Rally would never be NASCAR big but bigger than NASTRUCK.
Thus making the sport I like get more coverage and bigger better races. We would have to put up with NASCAR idiot but we have to now might as well have them helping a better form of racing.
| FaastLegacy | 02-17-2005 03:08 PM |
"NASCAR bastardring of the sport and that rally series will be bigger than now cuz the NASCAR idiots will flock to that also"
Why would they flock to it if they could watch it in a stadium?
I don't know about you guys but half the fun for me is driving out in the middle of nowhere where it's quiet and rural to watch a rally. I'd rather not watch it in a stadium with 500,000 people in close proximity.
-faast
Why would they flock to it if they could watch it in a stadium?
I don't know about you guys but half the fun for me is driving out in the middle of nowhere where it's quiet and rural to watch a rally. I'd rather not watch it in a stadium with 500,000 people in close proximity.
-faast
| WRXPRESS | 02-17-2005 03:12 PM |
This just isn't even funny. It would be a very sad day if this were to happen.
| Dr. WOT | 02-18-2005 10:56 AM |
I'm all for them starting up a new series with stadium racing, the more off road racing the better. But to take an established series and ruin it would be a travisty. How about a series based on Baja style vehicles? These would be better suited to the rollers and jumps found in a stadium setup, and surely the NASCAR audience would appreciate the trucks.
| Homemade WRX | 02-18-2005 11:33 AM |
I would hate for wrc to turn into a closed loop race...that is why some of the WRC drivers do rally over touring or other racing forms...the course is always changing
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