| HoOn | 11-11-2003 11:35 PM |
No WRC in the US?
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Hi! I was wondering why the WRC never tkaes places in the US? I know it also goes to Australia and why not the US?
Im just wondering.
Im just wondering.
| Mark Avery | 11-12-2003 12:48 AM |
Peugeot, Citroen, and Skoda don't sell cars in the U.S.
| AlanO | 11-12-2003 12:50 AM |
Also, there aren't any events ready to host a WRC event.
| HomerJay | 11-12-2003 12:50 AM |
FIA is run by the French and they hate Americans just as much as Americans hate the French. ;) Actually, it's because we like to watch large American sedans go around a circle. :rolleyes:
| ANZAC_1915 | 11-12-2003 12:53 AM |
Mexico has a WRC event... you could head there.
| MarkA | 11-12-2003 01:09 AM |
I think it would have as much to do with the unfathomable insurance costs of running a high-spectator count WRC event in the US as anything else.
| quentinberg007 | 11-12-2003 01:11 AM |
See, if someone gets hit by a rally car (even if they are warned that they are taking a huge risk) or gets say a rock thrown at them, FIA gets sued. With all the restrictions that the US places on large events, especially since 9/11, it would just be too much of a pain in the ass.
Though, there could be some great rallies here.
~~Quentin
Though, there could be some great rallies here.
~~Quentin
| HoOn | 11-12-2003 07:25 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mark Avery [/i]
[B]Peugeot, Citroen, and Skoda don't sell cars in the U.S. [/B][/QUOTE]
ahh that makes sense... doh I didnt realize that! :)
[B]Peugeot, Citroen, and Skoda don't sell cars in the U.S. [/B][/QUOTE]
ahh that makes sense... doh I didnt realize that! :)
| catass | 11-12-2003 08:09 AM |
why not have one in canada? i'd much rather go there to watch a rally, i am scared of mexico :(
| Geek Guy | 11-12-2003 08:16 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by catass [/i]
[B]why not have one in canada? i'd much rather go there to watch a rally, i am scared of mexico :( [/B][/QUOTE]
Two rallies have positioned themselves to be WRC rallies in Canada. Because of this, they had to pay to have FIA observers flown over, pay all of their expenses, jump through a bunch of hoops, etc.
The two rallies were Rallye International Charlevoix, and Rallye de Quebec. Unfortunately, BOTH events were cancelled because they didn't have the funds to go forward with it! RIC was cancelled two weeks before go. RQ was cancelled months in advance, and the club that hosts it has gone bankrupt.
WRC is a big gamble for these types of events. US events are so shoestring budget as is, it'd be difficult to take the risk of positioning themselves as a WRC event, AND as others have said, get the needed event insurance.
[B]why not have one in canada? i'd much rather go there to watch a rally, i am scared of mexico :( [/B][/QUOTE]
Two rallies have positioned themselves to be WRC rallies in Canada. Because of this, they had to pay to have FIA observers flown over, pay all of their expenses, jump through a bunch of hoops, etc.
The two rallies were Rallye International Charlevoix, and Rallye de Quebec. Unfortunately, BOTH events were cancelled because they didn't have the funds to go forward with it! RIC was cancelled two weeks before go. RQ was cancelled months in advance, and the club that hosts it has gone bankrupt.
WRC is a big gamble for these types of events. US events are so shoestring budget as is, it'd be difficult to take the risk of positioning themselves as a WRC event, AND as others have said, get the needed event insurance.
| HoOn | 11-12-2003 08:52 AM |
I definitely plan on watching a WRC event in the future. :)
| catass | 11-12-2003 10:51 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by HoOn [/i]
[B]I definitely plan on watching a WRC event in the future. :) [/B][/QUOTE]
yeah i watch them all the time... on the tv. :(
i wanna go to one though!
[B]I definitely plan on watching a WRC event in the future. :) [/B][/QUOTE]
yeah i watch them all the time... on the tv. :(
i wanna go to one though!
| CirrusWRX | 11-12-2003 10:58 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by HomerJay [/i]
[B]...Actually, it's because we like to watch large American sedans go around a circle. :rolleyes: [/B][/QUOTE]
:drools: monte carlos going left :drools:
:rolleyes:
[B]...Actually, it's because we like to watch large American sedans go around a circle. :rolleyes: [/B][/QUOTE]
:drools: monte carlos going left :drools:
:rolleyes:
| nKoan | 11-12-2003 02:51 PM |
There actually was on in the 70's and 80's.
Olympic Rally (or something like that). It was in Washington if I remember correcctly.
Cancelled in the late 80's. It was cancelled due to a lack of interest in the states, and until recently that has been the excuse used to keep another US rally a pipe dream.
Olympic Rally (or something like that). It was in Washington if I remember correcctly.
Cancelled in the late 80's. It was cancelled due to a lack of interest in the states, and until recently that has been the excuse used to keep another US rally a pipe dream.
| ShockWave | 11-12-2003 03:16 PM |
I heard there was some interest by FIA in Rim of the World rally. I agree with previous posts that the main reason is there is no organization that would ever insure the race. Be a great conversation to listen to!
Insurance Company (IC): "So you want to do a big professional race where as many as several 100,000 people would show up?"
FIA: "Yep."
IC: "And these people could watch from anywhere they want?"
FIA: "Yep."
IC: "And the only safety measure you have is a safety car that runs around the course several minutes before the race cars to make sure it's safe?"
FIA: "Yep."
IC: "And you have no way of knowing if after the safety car goes by you have no idea if the spectators have run onto the track?"
FIA: "Yep."
IC: "And because they come from all over you can't force them all to sign a legal waiver form before the race?"
FIA: "Yep. So what do you think?"
IC: "Nope."
Insurance Company (IC): "So you want to do a big professional race where as many as several 100,000 people would show up?"
FIA: "Yep."
IC: "And these people could watch from anywhere they want?"
FIA: "Yep."
IC: "And the only safety measure you have is a safety car that runs around the course several minutes before the race cars to make sure it's safe?"
FIA: "Yep."
IC: "And you have no way of knowing if after the safety car goes by you have no idea if the spectators have run onto the track?"
FIA: "Yep."
IC: "And because they come from all over you can't force them all to sign a legal waiver form before the race?"
FIA: "Yep. So what do you think?"
IC: "Nope."
| Butt Dyno | 11-12-2003 03:34 PM |
You're in Jersey - you could hit the ProRally event in PA...
-bd
-bd
| dwx | 11-12-2003 04:03 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by nKoan [/i]
[B]There actually was on in the 70's and 80's.
Olympic Rally (or something like that). It was in Washington if I remember correcctly.
Cancelled in the late 80's. It was cancelled due to a lack of interest in the states, and until recently that has been the excuse used to keep another US rally a pipe dream. [/B][/QUOTE]
POR (Press On Regardless) which is now LSPR was run in 73&74 as a WRC event but stopped due to problems with International drivers driving too fast on local roads.
Olympus rally was run in Washington in 86-88, I'm not sure what ended that, maybe lack of interest on this side of the pond.
They have run a couple in Canada as well but not for almost 30 years.
I'd consider the Corona Rally in Mexico light years ahead of anything in the US or Canada as of last year, and that's why it's being included in the WRC next year. Having a huge international sponsor in Corona definitely doesn't hurt anything.
[B]There actually was on in the 70's and 80's.
Olympic Rally (or something like that). It was in Washington if I remember correcctly.
Cancelled in the late 80's. It was cancelled due to a lack of interest in the states, and until recently that has been the excuse used to keep another US rally a pipe dream. [/B][/QUOTE]
POR (Press On Regardless) which is now LSPR was run in 73&74 as a WRC event but stopped due to problems with International drivers driving too fast on local roads.
Olympus rally was run in Washington in 86-88, I'm not sure what ended that, maybe lack of interest on this side of the pond.
They have run a couple in Canada as well but not for almost 30 years.
I'd consider the Corona Rally in Mexico light years ahead of anything in the US or Canada as of last year, and that's why it's being included in the WRC next year. Having a huge international sponsor in Corona definitely doesn't hurt anything.
| bemani | 11-12-2003 06:18 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by catass [/i]
[B]why not have one in canada? i'd much rather go there to watch a rally, i am scared of mexico :( [/B][/QUOTE]
My Mexican co-worker told me that Leon is pretty safe, as long as you FLY into it :p
[B]why not have one in canada? i'd much rather go there to watch a rally, i am scared of mexico :( [/B][/QUOTE]
My Mexican co-worker told me that Leon is pretty safe, as long as you FLY into it :p
| catass | 11-12-2003 06:22 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by bemani [/i]
[B]My Mexican co-worker told me that Leon is pretty safe, as long as you FLY into it :p [/B][/QUOTE]
:lol: in that case, maybe next time. i am still recovering this year from buying my sti, and all the other stuff i had to buy for it (radio, floormats, winter wheels, etc)
[B]My Mexican co-worker told me that Leon is pretty safe, as long as you FLY into it :p [/B][/QUOTE]
:lol: in that case, maybe next time. i am still recovering this year from buying my sti, and all the other stuff i had to buy for it (radio, floormats, winter wheels, etc)
| HoOn | 11-12-2003 09:38 PM |
How about a groupbuy trip??? ;)
Now THAT would be an awesome meet. NASIOC Meet at the WRC. That would be awesome! =)
Now THAT would be an awesome meet. NASIOC Meet at the WRC. That would be awesome! =)
| jonesi | 11-13-2003 04:35 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ShockWave [/i]
[B]I heard there was some interest by FIA in Rim of the World rally. I agree with previous posts that the main reason is there is no organization that would ever insure the race. Be a great conversation to listen to!
[/B][/QUOTE]
While insurance is never a minor issue, it's probably not in the top three reasons none of the organizers in the US are seriously trying for a WRC date.
1. Budget (Needs a seven figure event sponser, and year round event staff)
2. Roads (Enough isolated roads, but near a major city with enough hotels to handle the crowds.)
3. Manpower (Enough to keep the crowds safe.)
Also a WRC event in most countries is the largest or second largest motorsport activity in the country. In the US it wouldn't break in top 100.
[B]I heard there was some interest by FIA in Rim of the World rally. I agree with previous posts that the main reason is there is no organization that would ever insure the race. Be a great conversation to listen to!
[/B][/QUOTE]
While insurance is never a minor issue, it's probably not in the top three reasons none of the organizers in the US are seriously trying for a WRC date.
1. Budget (Needs a seven figure event sponser, and year round event staff)
2. Roads (Enough isolated roads, but near a major city with enough hotels to handle the crowds.)
3. Manpower (Enough to keep the crowds safe.)
Also a WRC event in most countries is the largest or second largest motorsport activity in the country. In the US it wouldn't break in top 100.
| elhechizo | 08-26-2010 06:10 PM |
[quote=jonesi;4992218]While insurance is never a minor issue, it's probably not in the top three reasons none of the organizers in the US are seriously trying for a WRC date.
1. Budget (Needs a seven figure event sponser, and year round event staff)
2. Roads (Enough isolated roads, but near a major city with enough hotels to handle the crowds.)
3. Manpower (Enough to keep the crowds safe.)
Also a WRC event in most countries is the largest or second largest motorsport activity in the country. In the US it wouldn't break in top 100.[/quote]
WRC out of TOP 100??? Really?
I can�t believe that... but i don�t live in USA
You could always visit europe to enjoy WRC, it�s a great experience! not cheap also.
1. Budget (Needs a seven figure event sponser, and year round event staff)
2. Roads (Enough isolated roads, but near a major city with enough hotels to handle the crowds.)
3. Manpower (Enough to keep the crowds safe.)
Also a WRC event in most countries is the largest or second largest motorsport activity in the country. In the US it wouldn't break in top 100.[/quote]
WRC out of TOP 100??? Really?
I can�t believe that... but i don�t live in USA
You could always visit europe to enjoy WRC, it�s a great experience! not cheap also.
| sackytar | 08-26-2010 06:49 PM |
Too bad americans are soooo into NASCAR. They don't know what their missing.......
Rally Kentucky.....
I am down...
OK maybe not Kentucky...
Rally Kentucky.....
I am down...
OK maybe not Kentucky...
| RichardM | 08-26-2010 07:30 PM |
Old thread. But the main reason is still that no one has a sponsor willing to put up the money.
| greg donovan | 08-27-2010 12:04 AM |
i would imagine that a WRC event would be so far away from me that i would still need to fly there anyway. might as well go to Rally GB, Finland or some national rallies in ireland or wales.
| ptclaus98 | 08-27-2010 12:15 AM |
[quote=RichardM;31714999]Old thread. But the main reason is still that no one has a sponsor willing to put up the money.[/quote]
One could also read this as, "No sponsor with a brain sees any return on investment.
One could also read this as, "No sponsor with a brain sees any return on investment.
| KC | 08-27-2010 08:07 AM |
[quote=ptclaus98;31717285]One could also read this as, "No sponsor with a brain sees any return on investment.[/quote]
Agreed. WRC in the rest of the world is a money maker for the organizers. With events Europe being so close to each other (only 14 hr drive from England to Catalunya/Barcelona Spain) that every other weekend you can go to almost any given rally in EU. If I lived in EU, I'd go to almost every one.
Here in the states, they just don't have those numbers to draw from to make it 'popular'. Not to mention being able to close the roads that 'mericans think it's their God given right to be able to use anytime because their tax dollars fund it. "How dare you close the road!".
[quote]And the only safety measure you have is a safety car that runs around the course several minutes before the race cars to make sure it's safe?"[/quote]WRC events have anywhere from 5 to 8 cars go through ahead of time. Of those, a couple are press. Then there's a few 'security' cars about 30 min before hand to make sure the marshalls are in place. THen there's the 000 car at a slow pace to clear the road, then the 00 car at a quicker pace to make sure the road is really clear and the 0 car at a real fast pace. And the 0 car has a helicopter overhead to *really* make sure the 0 car sees everything.
Last year in Spain, the helicopter hovered facing the corner I was on radioing down to the 0 car that they saw something the 0 car couldn't see, cars on the escape road and the 0 car got out and told them to move the cars back.
You *listen* to these guys without question. Period.
And here's why...
[IMG]http://www.rallydecals.com/kcpics/spain2009/images/IMG_3547.jpg[/IMG]
There were cars there (see them through the smoke) until the 0 car told them to move. (000 and 00 told them to move and left. They didn't move them. 0 stops and says 'do you want us to cancel the stage? Move them.'
--kC
Agreed. WRC in the rest of the world is a money maker for the organizers. With events Europe being so close to each other (only 14 hr drive from England to Catalunya/Barcelona Spain) that every other weekend you can go to almost any given rally in EU. If I lived in EU, I'd go to almost every one.
Here in the states, they just don't have those numbers to draw from to make it 'popular'. Not to mention being able to close the roads that 'mericans think it's their God given right to be able to use anytime because their tax dollars fund it. "How dare you close the road!".
[quote]And the only safety measure you have is a safety car that runs around the course several minutes before the race cars to make sure it's safe?"[/quote]WRC events have anywhere from 5 to 8 cars go through ahead of time. Of those, a couple are press. Then there's a few 'security' cars about 30 min before hand to make sure the marshalls are in place. THen there's the 000 car at a slow pace to clear the road, then the 00 car at a quicker pace to make sure the road is really clear and the 0 car at a real fast pace. And the 0 car has a helicopter overhead to *really* make sure the 0 car sees everything.
Last year in Spain, the helicopter hovered facing the corner I was on radioing down to the 0 car that they saw something the 0 car couldn't see, cars on the escape road and the 0 car got out and told them to move the cars back.
You *listen* to these guys without question. Period.
And here's why...
[IMG]http://www.rallydecals.com/kcpics/spain2009/images/IMG_3547.jpg[/IMG]
There were cars there (see them through the smoke) until the 0 car told them to move. (000 and 00 told them to move and left. They didn't move them. 0 stops and says 'do you want us to cancel the stage? Move them.'
--kC
| HoOn | 11-15-2011 03:28 PM |
So after 8 years of me posting this there's still no WRC in the US. :( I'll have to come back in another 10 years and see. ;) LOL
- JOhn
- JOhn
| Weasel 555 | 11-15-2011 03:57 PM |
would be a lot easier/ better to start making plans to go see WRC Mexico for 2012
Rallye Monte-Carlo 17 - 22 Jan 12
Sweden Rally Sweden 09 - 12 Feb 12
[B][I][COLOR="SeaGreen"]Mexico Rally Mexico 08 - 11 Mar 12[/COLOR][/I][/B]
Portugal Rally Portugal 29 Mar - 01 Apr 12
Argentina Rally Argentina 27 - 29 Apr 12
Greece Acropolis Rally 25 - 27 May 12
New Zealand Rally of New Zealand 22-24 Jun 12
Finland Rally Finland 02 - 05 Aug 12
Germany Rallye Deutschland 24 - 26 Aug 12
Great Britain Rally of Great Britain 13 - 16 Sep 12
France Rallye de France - Alsace 04 - 07 Oct 12
Italy Rally d'Italia 18 - 21 Oct 12
Spain Rally de Espa�a 01 - 04 Nov 12
official website: [URL="http://media.rallymexico.com/home.php"][U][B]rallymexico.com/home[/B][/U][/URL]
.:cool:
Rallye Monte-Carlo 17 - 22 Jan 12
Sweden Rally Sweden 09 - 12 Feb 12
[B][I][COLOR="SeaGreen"]Mexico Rally Mexico 08 - 11 Mar 12[/COLOR][/I][/B]
Portugal Rally Portugal 29 Mar - 01 Apr 12
Argentina Rally Argentina 27 - 29 Apr 12
Greece Acropolis Rally 25 - 27 May 12
New Zealand Rally of New Zealand 22-24 Jun 12
Finland Rally Finland 02 - 05 Aug 12
Germany Rallye Deutschland 24 - 26 Aug 12
Great Britain Rally of Great Britain 13 - 16 Sep 12
France Rallye de France - Alsace 04 - 07 Oct 12
Italy Rally d'Italia 18 - 21 Oct 12
Spain Rally de Espa�a 01 - 04 Nov 12
official website: [URL="http://media.rallymexico.com/home.php"][U][B]rallymexico.com/home[/B][/U][/URL]
.:cool:
| wvallwheeldrive | 11-15-2011 04:51 PM |
Wait Rally GB isn't the last rally of the year. FIA you get the Monte back from IRC the you muck up the end of the year.
| 2005wrxowner1 | 11-15-2011 05:09 PM |
we cant listen well enough to keep us, from throwing beer bottles on the nascar cars.. what is going to keep stupid people from doing something dumb, with out barriers.
we think drunken brawls are part of society, and that throwing things at people is normal.
we think drunken brawls are part of society, and that throwing things at people is normal.
| REDrum | 11-15-2011 09:12 PM |
[quote=HoOn;35639325]So after 8 years of me posting this there's still no WRC in the US. :( I'll have to come back in another 10 years and see. ;) LOL
- JOhn[/quote]
The US will never see one in my lifetime. US doesn't and will not ever have its pooh together enough to host such a large rally event, nor is there sufficient fan base here. And everything everything else that has been posted in this thread. Except for the nit-wit post about the French hating the US...(you funny man...)
There were rumors a few years back about some Aussies doing a feasibility study on holding one in/outside of Vegas, but that went no where. Thus, if it can't happen in Vegas, it can't happen here.
- JOhn[/quote]
The US will never see one in my lifetime. US doesn't and will not ever have its pooh together enough to host such a large rally event, nor is there sufficient fan base here. And everything everything else that has been posted in this thread. Except for the nit-wit post about the French hating the US...(you funny man...)
There were rumors a few years back about some Aussies doing a feasibility study on holding one in/outside of Vegas, but that went no where. Thus, if it can't happen in Vegas, it can't happen here.
| gurusan | 11-15-2011 10:30 PM |
lol are you kidding. the USA sucks a nut for motorsports and the rest of the world laughs at us for it.
How the greatest country in the world can get away without participating in F1 and WRC is beyond me. I guess we are content with racing failcars in ovals.
I'm surprised we even have a motorsports section here. USA doesn't know what motorsports is.
How the greatest country in the world can get away without participating in F1 and WRC is beyond me. I guess we are content with racing failcars in ovals.
I'm surprised we even have a motorsports section here. USA doesn't know what motorsports is.
| subiewrx001 | 11-15-2011 11:03 PM |
There are way too many countries they already rally in. which doesnt leave any days to have an event here. The owner of Rally America or Rally Car has to spend thousands of his own money just to run the few events we have cause no one here cares about Rally.
| UP2MTNS | 11-16-2011 01:39 AM |
good excuse to plan a trip to EU!!
| logic246 | 11-16-2011 04:28 AM |
[quote=gurusan;35643053]lol are you kidding. the USA sucks a nut for motorsports and the rest of the world laughs at us for it.
How the greatest country in the world can get away without participating in F1 and WRC is beyond me. I guess we are content with racing failcars in ovals.
I'm surprised we even have a motorsports section here. USA doesn't know what motorsports is.[/quote]
What makes the US the greatest country in the world :unamused:
How the greatest country in the world can get away without participating in F1 and WRC is beyond me. I guess we are content with racing failcars in ovals.
I'm surprised we even have a motorsports section here. USA doesn't know what motorsports is.[/quote]
What makes the US the greatest country in the world :unamused:
| slorex8 | 11-16-2011 06:50 AM |
[quote="logic246"]
What makes the US the greatest country in the world :unamused:[/quote]
I think he ment it as the "self proclaimed" greastest country in the world.
What makes the US the greatest country in the world :unamused:[/quote]
I think he ment it as the "self proclaimed" greastest country in the world.
| REDrum | 11-16-2011 08:09 AM |
[quote=slorex8;35644884]I think he ment it as the "self proclaimed" greastest country in the world.[/quote]
While I am very well traveled, not a nationalist redneck, and can articulate very well US weaknesses and misguided beliefs, the US is the greatest country on earth. The proof is in the continued immigration rate the past 100+ years. If it wasn't so great no one would want to move here. There are many great countries out there that I love, but none so much as the US.
While we may not have WRC rally here, we do have the X-Games, very low taxes, the thigh master, and we bring more new technology products to market each year, per capita, than any other country. I have no doubt if the "the US" suddenly became addicted to rally, like it has NASCAR, the WRC community would hate on us like spanked red-headed step son.
While I am very well traveled, not a nationalist redneck, and can articulate very well US weaknesses and misguided beliefs, the US is the greatest country on earth. The proof is in the continued immigration rate the past 100+ years. If it wasn't so great no one would want to move here. There are many great countries out there that I love, but none so much as the US.
While we may not have WRC rally here, we do have the X-Games, very low taxes, the thigh master, and we bring more new technology products to market each year, per capita, than any other country. I have no doubt if the "the US" suddenly became addicted to rally, like it has NASCAR, the WRC community would hate on us like spanked red-headed step son.
| logic246 | 11-16-2011 08:12 AM |
[quote=REDrum;35645127]While I am very well traveled, not a nationalist redneck, and can articulate very well US weaknesses and misguided beliefs, the US is the greatest country on earth. The proof is in the continued immigration rate the past 100+ years. If it wasn't so great no one would want to move here. There are many great countries out there that I love, but none so much as the US.
While we may not have WRC rally here, we do have the X-Games, very low taxes, the thigh master, and we bring more new technology products to market each year, per capita, than any other country. I have no doubt if the "the US" suddenly became addicted to rally, like it has NASCAR, the WRC community would hate on us like spanked red-headed step son.[/quote]
Really now.....
While we may not have WRC rally here, we do have the X-Games, very low taxes, the thigh master, and we bring more new technology products to market each year, per capita, than any other country. I have no doubt if the "the US" suddenly became addicted to rally, like it has NASCAR, the WRC community would hate on us like spanked red-headed step son.[/quote]
Really now.....
| Mike.J | 11-16-2011 08:26 AM |
I love WRC and IRC and Rally-America. I've been to the WRC Germany, hell my wife and I used to work 100 Acre Woods when we lived in St. Louis and I don�t think we will ever see a WRC in America. In addition to the insurance issues, there would have to be environmental Impact studies done and an Environmental Impact Statement issued. One tree-hugger could stop the whole thing.
But the biggest reason is you would not be able to sell enough tickets. The [U]average American [/U]spectator would see it as: nothing, nothing, nothing, zoom a car goes by (you don�t know if it is first place, middle place or last place), nothing, nothing, nothing, zoom a car goes by (you don�t know if it is first place, middle place or last place), lather rinse repeat, nothing, nothing, nothing, someone says the stage is over.
The average American race fan wants to see all the cars at the same time (all turning left) while drinking beer and cheering for the wrecks.
But the biggest reason is you would not be able to sell enough tickets. The [U]average American [/U]spectator would see it as: nothing, nothing, nothing, zoom a car goes by (you don�t know if it is first place, middle place or last place), nothing, nothing, nothing, zoom a car goes by (you don�t know if it is first place, middle place or last place), lather rinse repeat, nothing, nothing, nothing, someone says the stage is over.
The average American race fan wants to see all the cars at the same time (all turning left) while drinking beer and cheering for the wrecks.
| Jard | 11-16-2011 08:46 AM |
[quote=logic246;35645141]Really now.....[/quote]
Well articulated retort bro...
Well articulated retort bro...
| sureshot007 | 11-16-2011 09:37 AM |
I think the future of rally is Native American Reservation Land....
| REDrum | 11-16-2011 12:14 PM |
[quote=sureshot007;35645681]I think the future of rally is Native American Reservation Land....[/quote]
Good call
Good call
| logic246 | 11-17-2011 07:49 AM |
I do not want to step on any ones toes or cause an offence. But you guys need to do some very fundamental things to be considered for a WRC round. One , get it out of your head you are the greatest country or nation in the world. Two , you need to be part of a championship , not just hold your own championship and think you are doing something. This means either merging with the south american championship or try to start one with some one close to you (different country) Three, conform to the FIA rule/class structure .
America has proper roads and stage KMs to have a WRC round but what i have seen the area allotted for the service area is not big enough and just not functional . You need to be a part of a championship for a number of years to be considered for a WRC rally ,hence why Mexico and Argentina have their WRC rallies .
The bad thing is the American public is so gomeless when it comes to these things they go just to see a crash or see a car go over a jump , which speaks volumes about their attention span .
The fact is rallying is not popular in the US and the clubs who run the show aint doing a good job to get it across . Rallying was not popular in most of the countries but they sensitized the public to it and look how it is in Europe.
Also to the guy that said if the US got interested in rallying that Europe will hate on you , it is hard to hate on the people who are laughed at. If you had not noticed , the WRC , IRC , Asia Pacific championships go through many countries other than Europe and it is big over there so what if the US got into it , it is just another country to get into it.
America has proper roads and stage KMs to have a WRC round but what i have seen the area allotted for the service area is not big enough and just not functional . You need to be a part of a championship for a number of years to be considered for a WRC rally ,hence why Mexico and Argentina have their WRC rallies .
The bad thing is the American public is so gomeless when it comes to these things they go just to see a crash or see a car go over a jump , which speaks volumes about their attention span .
The fact is rallying is not popular in the US and the clubs who run the show aint doing a good job to get it across . Rallying was not popular in most of the countries but they sensitized the public to it and look how it is in Europe.
Also to the guy that said if the US got interested in rallying that Europe will hate on you , it is hard to hate on the people who are laughed at. If you had not noticed , the WRC , IRC , Asia Pacific championships go through many countries other than Europe and it is big over there so what if the US got into it , it is just another country to get into it.
| sureshot007 | 11-17-2011 08:31 AM |
Logic, stop trolling.
| Mach V Dan | 11-17-2011 09:52 AM |
[quote=logic246;35654512]I do not want to step on any ones toes or cause an offence. But...get it out of your head you are the greatest country or nation in the world...the American public is so gomeless...it is hard to hate on the people who are laughed at.[/quote]
Wow, you're right, we DO suck.
:(
Wow, you're right, we DO suck.
:(
| Jard | 11-17-2011 10:18 AM |
[quote=sureshot007;35654670]Logic, stop trolling.[/quote]
It's his thing. I think we all know that at this point.
It's his thing. I think we all know that at this point.
| Weasel 555 | 11-17-2011 10:54 AM |
damn i eat me cherios and coco puffs and have a coffee and i miss all the excitement :p
p.s. i didnt eat cherios or coco puffs ..I said that as i wanted u to believe i eat healthy stuff other than 2 -3 day old sausage egg n cheese on a croissants from DD when out at rallies :D
i digress ....
I do feel logic did mention some valid points , and why no one replied to those , it would actually lead folks to believe he hit the nail on the head so to speak
[quote=logic246;35654512]you need to be part of a championship , not just hold your own championship and think you are doing something. This means either merging with the south american championship or try to start one with some one close to you (different country) Three, conform to the FIA rule/class structure . [/quote]
[quote=logic246;35654512]America has proper roads and stage KMs to have a WRC round but what i have seen the area allotted for the service area is not big enough and just not functional . You need to be a part of a championship for a number of years to be considered for a WRC rally ,hence why Mexico and Argentina have their WRC rallies.[/quote]
[quote=logic246;35654512]The fact is rallying is not popular in the US and the clubs who run the show aint doing a good job to get it across . Rallying was not popular in most of the countries but they sensitized the public to it and look how it is in Europe.[/quote]
[quote=logic246;35654512]If you had not noticed , the WRC , IRC , Asia Pacific championships go through many countries other than Europe and it is big over there so what if the US got into it , it is just another country to get into it.[/quote]
lets have a discussion regarding the above ^ since everyone is just cherry picking logics post ...like i just did ;)
p.s. i didnt eat cherios or coco puffs ..I said that as i wanted u to believe i eat healthy stuff other than 2 -3 day old sausage egg n cheese on a croissants from DD when out at rallies :D
i digress ....
I do feel logic did mention some valid points , and why no one replied to those , it would actually lead folks to believe he hit the nail on the head so to speak
[quote=logic246;35654512]you need to be part of a championship , not just hold your own championship and think you are doing something. This means either merging with the south american championship or try to start one with some one close to you (different country) Three, conform to the FIA rule/class structure . [/quote]
[quote=logic246;35654512]America has proper roads and stage KMs to have a WRC round but what i have seen the area allotted for the service area is not big enough and just not functional . You need to be a part of a championship for a number of years to be considered for a WRC rally ,hence why Mexico and Argentina have their WRC rallies.[/quote]
[quote=logic246;35654512]The fact is rallying is not popular in the US and the clubs who run the show aint doing a good job to get it across . Rallying was not popular in most of the countries but they sensitized the public to it and look how it is in Europe.[/quote]
[quote=logic246;35654512]If you had not noticed , the WRC , IRC , Asia Pacific championships go through many countries other than Europe and it is big over there so what if the US got into it , it is just another country to get into it.[/quote]
lets have a discussion regarding the above ^ since everyone is just cherry picking logics post ...like i just did ;)
| sureshot007 | 11-17-2011 11:15 AM |
For the record, I had typed a response to him and then deleted it because I figured it was a waste of time after seeing all of his responses here and on special stage. But if people want to try and have an actual educated discussion about it, then let's have it! (disclaimer: I don't claim to be educated, but still willing to discuss)
As for his claims about what it would require for the US to get a WRC round:
Money. The FIA, like anyone else, will go where ever the money is. If we promise a big field, and sponsorships, they'd hold a round here. In place of money, having other things as he suggested would probably help (see: Mexico). But, we could have a round in 2013 if someone put up the cash.
So, things to overcome:
Road permits - it's hard enough to run the rallies we have, but to get permission to run a WRC event would be all but impossible...without more money
Car permits - the government isn't ok with letting race cars drive around on the street, and [the cars] will not pass any sort of registration/inspection process. However, with some cash, I bet we could convince some local politicians to help us secure special permits to allow the cars on the roads for transits.
Insurance - There is no way you'd be able to get insurance for such an event....without enough money to put up for it...
What else do you really need other than that? In the absence of money, then you need sponsors, which you don't get without fans, which you don't get because it's not popular here. You can't make it popular here because we first off don't have the infrastructure to support a ton of fans, and to even get a ton of fans, we'd have to appeal to existing motorsport fans (NASCAR) somehow...which we're not even sure that's a good idea. With a ton of drunken fans comes more insurance costs. Also would need more workers, which are hard to come by right now.
Let's face it - rally just isn't everyone's cup of tea. Is that a bad thing? I don't think so, but it really doesn't matter. Curling isn't huge in the US, but it's AWESOME!!!! I'm a surprised? No. Am I sad? Only a little, because I have to drive an hour to make it to the closest curling rink. It's just not big in the US because the majority of the country doesn't have enough ice to even know how awesome hockey is. It's the same with Rally. The places that are good for rally are in the middle of nowhere, so nobody knows about it.
So, in conclusion, (or, to round off my rambling) - CAN the US host a WRC round? Of course they can! Will they? Not any time soon unless we figure out how to afford it. Will following some set of rules, or joining a championship series change it? Well, it won't affect sponsorship or spectator spending, so I don't see how that would change things.
Now that I have no idea what I typed, I'm just going to stop now and let everyone else point out what I said incorrectly or unintelligibly.
As for his claims about what it would require for the US to get a WRC round:
Money. The FIA, like anyone else, will go where ever the money is. If we promise a big field, and sponsorships, they'd hold a round here. In place of money, having other things as he suggested would probably help (see: Mexico). But, we could have a round in 2013 if someone put up the cash.
So, things to overcome:
Road permits - it's hard enough to run the rallies we have, but to get permission to run a WRC event would be all but impossible...without more money
Car permits - the government isn't ok with letting race cars drive around on the street, and [the cars] will not pass any sort of registration/inspection process. However, with some cash, I bet we could convince some local politicians to help us secure special permits to allow the cars on the roads for transits.
Insurance - There is no way you'd be able to get insurance for such an event....without enough money to put up for it...
What else do you really need other than that? In the absence of money, then you need sponsors, which you don't get without fans, which you don't get because it's not popular here. You can't make it popular here because we first off don't have the infrastructure to support a ton of fans, and to even get a ton of fans, we'd have to appeal to existing motorsport fans (NASCAR) somehow...which we're not even sure that's a good idea. With a ton of drunken fans comes more insurance costs. Also would need more workers, which are hard to come by right now.
Let's face it - rally just isn't everyone's cup of tea. Is that a bad thing? I don't think so, but it really doesn't matter. Curling isn't huge in the US, but it's AWESOME!!!! I'm a surprised? No. Am I sad? Only a little, because I have to drive an hour to make it to the closest curling rink. It's just not big in the US because the majority of the country doesn't have enough ice to even know how awesome hockey is. It's the same with Rally. The places that are good for rally are in the middle of nowhere, so nobody knows about it.
So, in conclusion, (or, to round off my rambling) - CAN the US host a WRC round? Of course they can! Will they? Not any time soon unless we figure out how to afford it. Will following some set of rules, or joining a championship series change it? Well, it won't affect sponsorship or spectator spending, so I don't see how that would change things.
Now that I have no idea what I typed, I'm just going to stop now and let everyone else point out what I said incorrectly or unintelligibly.
| Weasel 555 | 11-17-2011 11:21 AM |
that was the most clear and concise and coherent reply i've had the pleasure to read and chuckle about mate :D
and like you said it boils down to a multitude of factors one of which is $$ ...see F1 Texas or now the lack there of ....
and like you said it boils down to a multitude of factors one of which is $$ ...see F1 Texas or now the lack there of ....
| logic246 | 11-17-2011 11:21 AM |
good points lol
| sureshot007 | 11-17-2011 11:27 AM |
BTW - a bowl of cheerios mixed with cocoa puffs would be killer right now.
| Weasel 555 | 11-17-2011 11:37 AM |
[quote=sureshot007;35656027]BTW - a bowl of cheerios mixed with cocoa puffs would be killer right now.[/quote]
mate .....you need to try the 2-3 day old sausage egg n cheese croissant especially the DD in wellsbro stpr limited edition one !!
1. buy sammich ,
2 forget u have it throw in back of car
3.when yer really hungry while been out at the rally "hey presto" there it is the hunger saver :D
back on topic , i definitely believe that RA and all rallies here should run under FIA rules and regs as it would be a easier start and a definite plus to be able to get a wrc event ...
mate .....you need to try the 2-3 day old sausage egg n cheese croissant especially the DD in wellsbro stpr limited edition one !!
1. buy sammich ,
2 forget u have it throw in back of car
3.when yer really hungry while been out at the rally "hey presto" there it is the hunger saver :D
back on topic , i definitely believe that RA and all rallies here should run under FIA rules and regs as it would be a easier start and a definite plus to be able to get a wrc event ...
| sureshot007 | 11-17-2011 11:47 AM |
I've had nothing but bad experiences at the DD in wellsboro.
| REDrum | 11-17-2011 11:50 AM |
While I don't disagree with Logic's posts/points on why the US will not see WRC in the near future, (its like sex in the champagne room, ...just ain't gunna happen...), I do find him wicked snarky about the US and rally within it. So much so, that I think it dilutes the value he, tries, to bring to forums. That said, no doubt he would be blast to have few beers with. (al la JVL...)
PAX
PAX
| iant333 | 11-17-2011 12:01 PM |
I dont see how we couldn't ever have it here. Rally America has been pretty successful.
| sureshot007 | 11-17-2011 12:10 PM |
Pretty successful at what?
| logic246 | 11-17-2011 01:40 PM |
[quote=iant333;35656362]I dont see how we couldn't ever have it here. Rally America has been pretty successful.[/quote]
There is no doubt that it can happen , there just needs to be some major changes in rules and mindsets.
There is no doubt that it can happen , there just needs to be some major changes in rules and mindsets.
| fliz | 11-17-2011 02:40 PM |
I'm not sure why you'd want one. For most of the country, there are existing WRC rounds that are easier/cheaper to spectate at than a US event would be.
I went to WRC Mexico. Plane tickets were a couple hundred, and everything once I was there (car, hotel, food) was much cheaper than it would be if I was in the US.
I went to WRC Mexico. Plane tickets were a couple hundred, and everything once I was there (car, hotel, food) was much cheaper than it would be if I was in the US.
| shamrock 05 | 12-03-2011 01:18 PM |
A 3rd world country like Mexico has a rally stage but the US or Canada does not lol. Agreed that it all comes down to money and insurance. And as for locations, I am sure that we have some great back roads that would be awesome.........atleast u guys can watch it in tv, I looked but I think it was on a HD channel or something. Idk
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