| Davenow | 07-10-2003 09:50 AM |
Post your SM setup!!!
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Here is mine
02WRX
a bunch of things removed to lighten it, nothing major, maybe 40-45lbs total removed (including replaced parts, maybe 70 or so?)
JIC FLT-A2 coilovers 7 clicks from full soft front, 4 rear 8/6k springs
22mm whiteline front Sway
22mm whiteline rear sway (adjustable, set to 22)whiteline links
P1's(heavy) 225/45/17 Azenis
-1.5 deg front camber -1.1 rear 0 toe
UTEC stage 3 (modified) map
vf24
TXS stealthback catless BPM Twister muffler
BPM up pipe
TXS TMIC (v2)
Perrin short ram
I Think thats it. I will edit if I remeber anything else :)
02WRX
a bunch of things removed to lighten it, nothing major, maybe 40-45lbs total removed (including replaced parts, maybe 70 or so?)
JIC FLT-A2 coilovers 7 clicks from full soft front, 4 rear 8/6k springs
22mm whiteline front Sway
22mm whiteline rear sway (adjustable, set to 22)whiteline links
P1's(heavy) 225/45/17 Azenis
-1.5 deg front camber -1.1 rear 0 toe
UTEC stage 3 (modified) map
vf24
TXS stealthback catless BPM Twister muffler
BPM up pipe
TXS TMIC (v2)
Perrin short ram
I Think thats it. I will edit if I remeber anything else :)
| AWMIII | 07-10-2003 10:25 AM |
Suspension Tein RA
Front Sway Stock
Rear Sway Whiteline 24mm
Wheels No comment
Tires Hoosiers, Size? No comment
Engine No comment
Tranny NO comment
I am not sure that you can legally remove 70 lbs beyond the obvious (spare, jack, Cat back.) I know mine weighs 3025 but I have probably 20 lbs of stereo in there.
Front Sway Stock
Rear Sway Whiteline 24mm
Wheels No comment
Tires Hoosiers, Size? No comment
Engine No comment
Tranny NO comment
I am not sure that you can legally remove 70 lbs beyond the obvious (spare, jack, Cat back.) I know mine weighs 3025 but I have probably 20 lbs of stereo in there.
| dwx | 07-10-2003 10:52 AM |
DMS50 coilovers (when they work, otherwise on V8 STI-RA takeoffs)
Cusco F/R swaybar
Cusco F/R strut bar (CF rear)
Perrin Endlinks
MRT Adj rear control arms
Al front control arms
Engine mounts
Lots of negative camber and whatnot
16x8 Volk Gram Lights w/ 245/45/16 R-Compound tires
VF29 turbo
APS DR500 FMIC
Perrin short ram
TXS exhaust w/Prodrive muffler
Aquamist WI system UTEC
STI-RA 6MT w/Suretrac LSD
Autopower race rollbar/harness bar
Race seats (15lbs)
Stock steering wheel & airbags still (can save weight here)
No back seats
Battery relocated to right rear in trunk
No AC
I'm probably going to quit autocrossing in it next year and prep the car for rally so I'm looking at getting a V7/V8 2L STi motor. Otherwise I would get a 2.5L US shortblock and slap some V7 heads on there.
Why would you put no comment? Who cares...:rolleyes:
Cusco F/R swaybar
Cusco F/R strut bar (CF rear)
Perrin Endlinks
MRT Adj rear control arms
Al front control arms
Engine mounts
Lots of negative camber and whatnot
16x8 Volk Gram Lights w/ 245/45/16 R-Compound tires
VF29 turbo
APS DR500 FMIC
Perrin short ram
TXS exhaust w/Prodrive muffler
Aquamist WI system UTEC
STI-RA 6MT w/Suretrac LSD
Autopower race rollbar/harness bar
Race seats (15lbs)
Stock steering wheel & airbags still (can save weight here)
No back seats
Battery relocated to right rear in trunk
No AC
I'm probably going to quit autocrossing in it next year and prep the car for rally so I'm looking at getting a V7/V8 2L STi motor. Otherwise I would get a 2.5L US shortblock and slap some V7 heads on there.
Why would you put no comment? Who cares...:rolleyes:
| ConeMasher | 07-10-2003 11:53 AM |
[QUOTE]
Why would you put no comment? Who cares...
[/QUOTE]
I think he's trying to be coy. Regardless, he's running an STI-RA tranny too, and the rest of the stuff wouldn't be too hard to find out.
-- Gary
Why would you put no comment? Who cares...
[/QUOTE]
I think he's trying to be coy. Regardless, he's running an STI-RA tranny too, and the rest of the stuff wouldn't be too hard to find out.
-- Gary
| spidey02wrx | 07-10-2003 01:51 PM |
not as impressive as you guys, but its a work in progress.....
JIC's 10k/10k setup depends on course & conditions
Perrin Endlinks
Engine/Tranny Mounts
GGR full turboback
PDE uppipe
ECUTek Reflash/Dyno Tune (worth every penny)
225/45/17 V700's
in my gargage waiting for my lazy butt...
autopower race roll-bar
sparco evo drivers side
I have some brake upgrades for the track, but on an auto-x course they don't really factor in. Like to get a gearset and some diffs next year. The car feels good and was actually somewhat competitive locally on steet tires, should be better on the R's.
JIC's 10k/10k setup depends on course & conditions
Perrin Endlinks
Engine/Tranny Mounts
GGR full turboback
PDE uppipe
ECUTek Reflash/Dyno Tune (worth every penny)
225/45/17 V700's
in my gargage waiting for my lazy butt...
autopower race roll-bar
sparco evo drivers side
I have some brake upgrades for the track, but on an auto-x course they don't really factor in. Like to get a gearset and some diffs next year. The car feels good and was actually somewhat competitive locally on steet tires, should be better on the R's.
| Scooby South | 07-10-2003 08:25 PM |
I am not in SM YET:devil: but when I go I will have the following...
Have already..:
Leda Option B Coilovers set at 11 front, 16 rear.
Whiteline 20-24 swaybar set at 22
KartBoy 1st Gen Endlinks ( The good ones)
HD Sway bar mounts
JIC Front Camber Plates
Stock 19mm WRX swaybar
Whiteline Front endlinks
Energy Suspension Bushings
ProFlex Driveline Bushings
STi Motor and tranny Mounts
Perrin/Willwood Front Brakes
Stoptech Slotted WRX rotors
Stainless lines
RBF600 fluid
Performance Friction Super Pads
Motor
USDM WRX engine swap,
UTEC
Equal length Headers with integrated uppipe
TXS RFL exhaust
Ported TD04
TXS intake
Type RA gearset
Quiaffe LSD Front
ACT Clutch
Stock Flywheel (Lightened to 18 lbs)
Stock 16 in RS wheels
225/50/16 HOOSIERS
that should do it.....Hope to be competitive;)
Bill
Have already..:
Leda Option B Coilovers set at 11 front, 16 rear.
Whiteline 20-24 swaybar set at 22
KartBoy 1st Gen Endlinks ( The good ones)
HD Sway bar mounts
JIC Front Camber Plates
Stock 19mm WRX swaybar
Whiteline Front endlinks
Energy Suspension Bushings
ProFlex Driveline Bushings
STi Motor and tranny Mounts
Perrin/Willwood Front Brakes
Stoptech Slotted WRX rotors
Stainless lines
RBF600 fluid
Performance Friction Super Pads
Motor
USDM WRX engine swap,
UTEC
Equal length Headers with integrated uppipe
TXS RFL exhaust
Ported TD04
TXS intake
Type RA gearset
Quiaffe LSD Front
ACT Clutch
Stock Flywheel (Lightened to 18 lbs)
Stock 16 in RS wheels
225/50/16 HOOSIERS
that should do it.....Hope to be competitive;)
Bill
| thechickencow | 07-10-2003 10:39 PM |
Phil,
I didn't remember to ask you today, did you actually get all that stuff installed last weekend? I should've looked at the car when I walked by it.
I was running SM this year in an index'ed street tire class, my mods aren't too major. Just running SM due to a reflashed ecu.
Jay
I didn't remember to ask you today, did you actually get all that stuff installed last weekend? I should've looked at the car when I walked by it.
I was running SM this year in an index'ed street tire class, my mods aren't too major. Just running SM due to a reflashed ecu.
Jay
| ellisnc | 07-11-2003 06:14 AM |
JIC FLT-A2
Cusco stabi bars
Cusco strut bars
Cusco front Underbrace (possibly illegal?)
Aluminum control arms
STi rear links (trailing and lateral)
Advan RC2 w/ 235/40-17 A032R (use these for everything so I don't run Hoosier)
Recaro Pole Position seats
STi Spec C steering wheel
Godspeed up and down pipe
JDM JIC 505Ti (extremely light)
Engine - nothing special, just a boost controller for now, still like the stock spool up
now for the weight - at the moment the tar is coming out so it should be under 2800 pounds ;)
weight is the key boys
no airbags
no stereo
no A/C
gutted trunk
no rear seat
and some other stuff ;)
need to get an tubular exhaust manifold to get those cast manifolds off the front of the car.
Cusco stabi bars
Cusco strut bars
Cusco front Underbrace (possibly illegal?)
Aluminum control arms
STi rear links (trailing and lateral)
Advan RC2 w/ 235/40-17 A032R (use these for everything so I don't run Hoosier)
Recaro Pole Position seats
STi Spec C steering wheel
Godspeed up and down pipe
JDM JIC 505Ti (extremely light)
Engine - nothing special, just a boost controller for now, still like the stock spool up
now for the weight - at the moment the tar is coming out so it should be under 2800 pounds ;)
weight is the key boys
no airbags
no stereo
no A/C
gutted trunk
no rear seat
and some other stuff ;)
need to get an tubular exhaust manifold to get those cast manifolds off the front of the car.
| AWMIII | 07-11-2003 08:56 AM |
Gutting your trunk and removing the "tar" is not legal.
| Davenow | 07-11-2003 09:19 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by AWMIII [/i]
[B]Gutting your trunk and removing the "tar" is not legal. [/B][/QUOTE]
I dont see that anywhere in the rules.
[B]Gutting your trunk and removing the "tar" is not legal. [/B][/QUOTE]
I dont see that anywhere in the rules.
| dwx | 07-11-2003 09:42 AM |
All interior pieces not [B]specifically[/B] allowed to be removed/replaced by the rules have to be retained. So if it's not the 1) back seats, 2) front seats, 3) steering wheel then you can't remove/replace it and still be legal. Right now I run without the stuff that was in the trunk locally because no one cares, but if I went to a divisional/national event I'd put all that stuff back in. If you want to build a stripped race car then Prepared is where you'll end up.
The only thing you can do is remove something if it facilitates installing something else, and the weight removal is less than 1 pound.
The only thing you can do is remove something if it facilitates installing something else, and the weight removal is less than 1 pound.
| ConeMasher | 07-11-2003 09:48 AM |
If it doesn't say you can... then you can't.
Regarding "stuff in the trunk"... items that are designed to be removed (i.e. not permanently attached by a bolt or snap) may be removed from the vehicle. This generally includes spare tires, jacks, tire removal tools, and in most cars, spare tire covers.
-- Gary
Regarding "stuff in the trunk"... items that are designed to be removed (i.e. not permanently attached by a bolt or snap) may be removed from the vehicle. This generally includes spare tires, jacks, tire removal tools, and in most cars, spare tire covers.
-- Gary
| dwx | 07-11-2003 09:53 AM |
Yes I guess I should have clarified as I'm sure everyone takes out the jack/tire/etc as it's a stock class rule. I meant the liners and other assorted things that are physically attached in the trunk. Right now there is nothing but bare metal in the trunk...
| omahasubaru | 07-11-2003 11:09 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by dwx [/i]
[B]Yes I guess I should have clarified as I'm sure everyone takes out the jack/tire/etc as it's a stock class rule. I meant the liners and other assorted things that are physically attached in the trunk. Right now there is nothing but bare metal in the trunk... [/B][/QUOTE]And how much do those liners weigh??? 2-5 lbs?
[B]Yes I guess I should have clarified as I'm sure everyone takes out the jack/tire/etc as it's a stock class rule. I meant the liners and other assorted things that are physically attached in the trunk. Right now there is nothing but bare metal in the trunk... [/B][/QUOTE]And how much do those liners weigh??? 2-5 lbs?
| MNbiker | 07-11-2003 11:22 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by omahasubaru [/i]
[B]And how much do those liners weigh??? 2-5 lbs? [/B][/QUOTE]
Come one, that's gotta be worth AT LEAST .0001! :lol: :lol: :lol:
(or 2 seconds on the butt dyno! :p )
[B]And how much do those liners weigh??? 2-5 lbs? [/B][/QUOTE]
Come one, that's gotta be worth AT LEAST .0001! :lol: :lol: :lol:
(or 2 seconds on the butt dyno! :p )
| MNbiker | 07-11-2003 11:28 AM |
Question - are there any divisionally/nationally competitive Suby's in SM, OTHER THAN Cobb's Conebasher? There's a huge gap between Conebasher and what I've seen posted here thus far. Are there any other 350+whp beasts with a front LSD and big Hoosiers out there?
-Steve
-Steve
| dwx | 07-11-2003 12:07 PM |
A WRX was 4th in SM at the Peru tour and I think he was 2nd behind Dennis Grant on the 1st day, which is nothing to be ashamed of. There is a pretty big gap between the guys at the very top of SM and the rest of the guys, since it's such a new class and so much can be done to the car. Bob Tunnel drives a M3 in SM now and raised the bar for everyone else. Corey Smith's S4 I think is in the neighborhood of 600-700hp now...
I'm trying to decide now whether I want to take the next step or just focus on rally instead. I have a car that I'm building for rally that I happen to autocross. It's not difficult to build a SM WRX at this point, it just takes money. I've invested alot of that, but it'd take a new engine to go to the next step. So another $5k+ at this point.
I took the liners out when I was moving the battery to the trunk and just haven't put them back yet, they are at least 1 lb! It all adds up!
I'm trying to decide now whether I want to take the next step or just focus on rally instead. I have a car that I'm building for rally that I happen to autocross. It's not difficult to build a SM WRX at this point, it just takes money. I've invested alot of that, but it'd take a new engine to go to the next step. So another $5k+ at this point.
I took the liners out when I was moving the battery to the trunk and just haven't put them back yet, they are at least 1 lb! It all adds up!
| ellisnc | 07-11-2003 01:00 PM |
Honestly I know that removing all the trunk lining is marginal... I know the rule about if it doesn't specifically say then you can't business. I'd say I play about as fair as others do locally in the class and I'm not going to be running nationals because I don't care to. The guys that I run against all have a lot more tire than I do and more power, they just haven't figured out the weight part yet.
Removing the tar is something I'm doing just because I'm bored with the car. The carpet will stay in per the rules (some guys try to run without interior paneling and carpet in SM :furious: I really doubt locally anyone would have a huge beef or accept that it would give me a large advantage (tar removal I mean)... I wouldn't do it if I were running nationals as there's a lot at stake. (solo2 national champion is not high on my list of things to achieve in life personally) But locally most of the guys I run with don't even have their radio or A/C removed and most don't even remove the rear seat so I'm not that concerned with it. If everyone were spending big bucks to toss weight out of their cars locally then I wouldn't feel right about it.
Removing the tar is something I'm doing just because I'm bored with the car. The carpet will stay in per the rules (some guys try to run without interior paneling and carpet in SM :furious: I really doubt locally anyone would have a huge beef or accept that it would give me a large advantage (tar removal I mean)... I wouldn't do it if I were running nationals as there's a lot at stake. (solo2 national champion is not high on my list of things to achieve in life personally) But locally most of the guys I run with don't even have their radio or A/C removed and most don't even remove the rear seat so I'm not that concerned with it. If everyone were spending big bucks to toss weight out of their cars locally then I wouldn't feel right about it.
| Fuquad | 07-11-2003 02:16 PM |
MY02 MBP WRX. NOTHING in the trunk or back seat, no floor mats, etc...
Vishnu Stage 0 (ECUTEK Remapped ECU, Uppipe, Pulley, restrictor)
Prodrive WR Sport Springs
Whiteline 22mm Adj. Rear Sway
17" Rota Subzeros
17" Kumho Supra 712's
STi CF wing (not much help in Solo II)
Coming soon:
Intercooler Spray Kit (It's HOT out there!)
Kartboy shifter
Steel Brake Lines
Master Cylinder Brace
[IMG]http://sleeperracing.com/img/979_1.jpg[/IMG]
Vishnu Stage 0 (ECUTEK Remapped ECU, Uppipe, Pulley, restrictor)
Prodrive WR Sport Springs
Whiteline 22mm Adj. Rear Sway
17" Rota Subzeros
17" Kumho Supra 712's
STi CF wing (not much help in Solo II)
Coming soon:
Intercooler Spray Kit (It's HOT out there!)
Kartboy shifter
Steel Brake Lines
Master Cylinder Brace
[IMG]http://sleeperracing.com/img/979_1.jpg[/IMG]
| AWMIII | 07-11-2003 02:34 PM |
A wrx can be competitive in sm nationally. I cannot say that my car was too slow to compete. Cobbs car may be overkill. There are several things that they did that may or may not help. their car win autocrosses. If Mark Daddio can run in a stinking neon and trophy at nationals, a wrx can surely win with the right driver. Autocross is much more about driver skill than car prep, even at a national level. The wrx that trophied at Peru was not radically prepared. It was not even as prepared as my car is. I believe that his name on here is silverbullet. He plain out drove me and beat some VERY prepared cars on the first day. I simply am not used to the crazy speeds involved in the Peru event. Dennis Grant's car has not ever had the valve cover off. Oh and not everyone would be happy to tell you all of their secrets. There is stuff going on with autocross wrxes that almost noe of you know about and no one discusses on the internet. If you want to find out, take a walk through impound.
| dwx | 07-11-2003 03:02 PM |
I wish I had signed up for the Peru tour because I'd really like to see how my car and my driving would stand up to good competition. We have decent competition in this area and I've certainly been beaten this year, but it would be nice none the less to see how much I'd get beaten by top level drivers. I did an event in Peru the week before with the south bend car club. It was my second event in Peru. The concrete wasn't as sticky as I remembered (I was on street tires though the last time) but the courses there are fast, there is only so much you can do on a runway. This last time I was in 3rd gear for more than just a short bit, probably hitting 65-70mph.
| trhoppe | 07-11-2003 05:33 PM |
[QUOTE]There is stuff going on with autocross wrxes that almost noe of you know about and no one discusses on the internet. If you want to find out, take a walk through impound.[/QUOTE] Heheheeee. Very true ;)
:devil:
-Tom
:devil:
-Tom
| subyguy2 | 07-11-2003 09:22 PM |
92 Mazda Miata 1.6
Piper Motorsports Cage
Fire System
Kill Switch
Window net
Gutted
Bilstien Coil-Overs
Toyo RA-1's (205/50/15)
Kosei K1 wheels (15x7)
Carbotech XP pads
SS brake and clutch lines
Kirkey Intermediate Road Race Seat....
OH! you meant Street Mod....SORRY...those are my plans for a SPEC MIATA ;)
hehe,
Chris.
Piper Motorsports Cage
Fire System
Kill Switch
Window net
Gutted
Bilstien Coil-Overs
Toyo RA-1's (205/50/15)
Kosei K1 wheels (15x7)
Carbotech XP pads
SS brake and clutch lines
Kirkey Intermediate Road Race Seat....
OH! you meant Street Mod....SORRY...those are my plans for a SPEC MIATA ;)
hehe,
Chris.
| trhoppe | 07-11-2003 11:37 PM |
I'm going with a low grade Momo seat. The FIA certified seat will allow me now to have to use a seat brace :)
-Tom
-Tom
| MK19 | 07-14-2003 12:48 AM |
OK, so it's not al of what gets me into SM, but this outta tell you guys the jist of what DOES put me in SM... Man, I wish my car smoke-checked fools like dwx (I am Phil's wanna-be-biatch :p):
Project Tie Fighter:
My 2002 Subaru WRX Sport Wagon upgrades/modifications
17" Gold Prodrive P7's w/ 215/45-17 Kumho ECSTA 712's (street setup)
17�� White Rota Attack's w/ 215/45-17 Bridgestone SO3 Pole Position's (dedicated auto-x setup)
Dulalmin Light Weight lug nuts
Cusco Zero-2R coilover suspension (running 2 on the street and 5-front, 3-rear on most auto-x courses)
Perrin/Wilwood front brake kit w/ Wilwood E compound pads
Cobalt Friction GS3000 Premium front rotors
Perrin/Wilwood rear brake kit w/ H6 rotors & Wilwood Q compound pads
STi short shift kit
Cusco Version II front lower brace
Cusco rear adj. 22-24mm sway bar
STi rear trailing link arm kit
STi rear lateral link kit (6 piece full pillow ball)
STi front control arm bushings (To be installed)
Blitz SBC i-D Electronic Boost controller
Blitz FATT DC Turbo timer w/ harness
Omori 45mm boost gauge
Omori 52mm oil temperature gauge
Omori 52mm oil pressure gauge
Omori 52mm EGT gauge
Gruppe-S up-pipe
Bosal down-pipe
Stromung 3d Cat eliminator mid-pipe
Prodrive rear silencer
STi engine mounts
STi gearbox mount
Samco silicone I/C hoses
Perrin crank pulley
K&N filter
Subaru WR Blue side skirts
STi mesh fog lamp covers
STi hood scoop
STi carbon fiber side marker covers (replica)
STi front grill
Subaru JDM rear pink WRX badging
Subaru JDM rear IMPREZA badging
GC8/STi oval side markers
MOMO Air Leather shift knob
MOMO leather shift boot
STi shifter trim
Prodrive embroidered front headrests
Schroth Rallye 4 harness belts (driver and passenger)
Alpine 7894 MP3 receiver
Alpine V500 series amp
Fosgate 10" sub and band pass
Flashing side marker mod
Fog lamp mod
De-railed roof racks
Air box resonator (snorkus) mod
MOBIL 1 synthetic fluids (engine/gearbox)
Auto-X alignment (-1 front camber w/ stock camber bolts; -2.5-3 w/ Cusco camber plates for auto-x)
Project Tie Fighter:
My 2002 Subaru WRX Sport Wagon upgrades/modifications
17" Gold Prodrive P7's w/ 215/45-17 Kumho ECSTA 712's (street setup)
17�� White Rota Attack's w/ 215/45-17 Bridgestone SO3 Pole Position's (dedicated auto-x setup)
Dulalmin Light Weight lug nuts
Cusco Zero-2R coilover suspension (running 2 on the street and 5-front, 3-rear on most auto-x courses)
Perrin/Wilwood front brake kit w/ Wilwood E compound pads
Cobalt Friction GS3000 Premium front rotors
Perrin/Wilwood rear brake kit w/ H6 rotors & Wilwood Q compound pads
STi short shift kit
Cusco Version II front lower brace
Cusco rear adj. 22-24mm sway bar
STi rear trailing link arm kit
STi rear lateral link kit (6 piece full pillow ball)
STi front control arm bushings (To be installed)
Blitz SBC i-D Electronic Boost controller
Blitz FATT DC Turbo timer w/ harness
Omori 45mm boost gauge
Omori 52mm oil temperature gauge
Omori 52mm oil pressure gauge
Omori 52mm EGT gauge
Gruppe-S up-pipe
Bosal down-pipe
Stromung 3d Cat eliminator mid-pipe
Prodrive rear silencer
STi engine mounts
STi gearbox mount
Samco silicone I/C hoses
Perrin crank pulley
K&N filter
Subaru WR Blue side skirts
STi mesh fog lamp covers
STi hood scoop
STi carbon fiber side marker covers (replica)
STi front grill
Subaru JDM rear pink WRX badging
Subaru JDM rear IMPREZA badging
GC8/STi oval side markers
MOMO Air Leather shift knob
MOMO leather shift boot
STi shifter trim
Prodrive embroidered front headrests
Schroth Rallye 4 harness belts (driver and passenger)
Alpine 7894 MP3 receiver
Alpine V500 series amp
Fosgate 10" sub and band pass
Flashing side marker mod
Fog lamp mod
De-railed roof racks
Air box resonator (snorkus) mod
MOBIL 1 synthetic fluids (engine/gearbox)
Auto-X alignment (-1 front camber w/ stock camber bolts; -2.5-3 w/ Cusco camber plates for auto-x)
| XT6Wagon | 07-14-2003 03:02 AM |
04 STi
GT spec header
Exaust leak at up-pipe
Invida Downpipe
HKS carbon-Ti catback
13th overall raw time at last AutoX.
GT spec header
Exaust leak at up-pipe
Invida Downpipe
HKS carbon-Ti catback
13th overall raw time at last AutoX.
| Davenow | 07-14-2003 11:43 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by MNbiker [/i]
[B]Question - are there any divisionally/nationally competitive Suby's in SM, OTHER THAN Cobb's Conebasher? There's a huge gap between Conebasher and what I've seen posted here thus far. Are there any other 350+whp beasts with a front LSD and big Hoosiers out there?
-Steve [/B][/QUOTE]
I am tied for second (maybe higher now, waiting on results) in the local BMWCCA chapter. No LSD, no 350WHP, no big hoosiers.
I am sure I would need all that nationally though.
Wait until next season:devil:
[B]Question - are there any divisionally/nationally competitive Suby's in SM, OTHER THAN Cobb's Conebasher? There's a huge gap between Conebasher and what I've seen posted here thus far. Are there any other 350+whp beasts with a front LSD and big Hoosiers out there?
-Steve [/B][/QUOTE]
I am tied for second (maybe higher now, waiting on results) in the local BMWCCA chapter. No LSD, no 350WHP, no big hoosiers.
I am sure I would need all that nationally though.
Wait until next season:devil:
| dwx | 07-14-2003 01:43 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by XT6Wagon [/i]
[B]04 STi
GT spec header
Exaust leak at up-pipe
Invida Downpipe
HKS carbon-Ti catback
13th overall raw time at last AutoX. [/B][/QUOTE]
I think the STi and EVO in the hands of a good driver could almost compete for SM with simple bolt on mods. An EVO with all the bolt ons and different cams ran a 12.0 1/4 mile. I think if you put a larger turbo on the STi with supporting mods you are talking about an easy 350whp.
I think I was 5th in raw time at our last event, out of 182 drivers, 18th on index though. :( It's fun being faster than all but one of the SS Z06s. :)
[B]04 STi
GT spec header
Exaust leak at up-pipe
Invida Downpipe
HKS carbon-Ti catback
13th overall raw time at last AutoX. [/B][/QUOTE]
I think the STi and EVO in the hands of a good driver could almost compete for SM with simple bolt on mods. An EVO with all the bolt ons and different cams ran a 12.0 1/4 mile. I think if you put a larger turbo on the STi with supporting mods you are talking about an easy 350whp.
I think I was 5th in raw time at our last event, out of 182 drivers, 18th on index though. :( It's fun being faster than all but one of the SS Z06s. :)
| XT6Wagon | 07-14-2003 05:19 PM |
The power isn't a problem even on a stock STi. The exaust mods likely do more for the car by reducing wieght than they do adding HP.
| ellisnc | 07-14-2003 07:30 PM |
I think actually the regular WRX with the 5 speed and a built 2.5 liter motor with something like a stock-worked over WRX turbo on it would probably be the best bet. 5-speed and R160 diff for the weight and you just want lots of low end torque.
I don't care about raw power for autocross... it's all about the torque produced between 2000 and 6000 revs.
I don't care about raw power for autocross... it's all about the torque produced between 2000 and 6000 revs.
| BIGSKYWRX | 12-30-2003 09:44 PM |
My modest entry this year (STX last two years).
Turn
STi RA springs/struts
Noltec camber/caster plates front/ Grp N rears
Grp N transverse/lateral link/trailing link bushings
Sti front sway (19mm), Cusco 19.5-21.5 (GC) rear
STi front control arms
STi lower arm bar
Volk 57C's 16X8 (ordering soon:banana: )
Ray's lugs
245/45/16 Victoracers
Stop
DBA 5010 front rotors
H6 rear rotors
Ferodo Ds2500's f/r
Goodrich lines
Motul fluid
Go
Ecutek reflash
ScoobySport TB
STi uppipe
Samco Turbo inlet & MAF hose
STi intercooler
ITG filter & silencer elbow
Motul 300V 5W40
Shift
STi shortshifter
Grp N engine/pitch rod/tranny/"rear" rear diff mounts
Redline Shokproof (lightweight) tranny/diffs
Wish List:D
vf35
injectors/pump (new reflash)
STi v6 gear set w/ 4.111 final drive
STi front LSD
STi v8 lowering springs
Big Sky
Turn
STi RA springs/struts
Noltec camber/caster plates front/ Grp N rears
Grp N transverse/lateral link/trailing link bushings
Sti front sway (19mm), Cusco 19.5-21.5 (GC) rear
STi front control arms
STi lower arm bar
Volk 57C's 16X8 (ordering soon:banana: )
Ray's lugs
245/45/16 Victoracers
Stop
DBA 5010 front rotors
H6 rear rotors
Ferodo Ds2500's f/r
Goodrich lines
Motul fluid
Go
Ecutek reflash
ScoobySport TB
STi uppipe
Samco Turbo inlet & MAF hose
STi intercooler
ITG filter & silencer elbow
Motul 300V 5W40
Shift
STi shortshifter
Grp N engine/pitch rod/tranny/"rear" rear diff mounts
Redline Shokproof (lightweight) tranny/diffs
Wish List:D
vf35
injectors/pump (new reflash)
STi v6 gear set w/ 4.111 final drive
STi front LSD
STi v8 lowering springs
Big Sky
| Tats | 12-30-2003 10:29 PM |
My SM: (I'll leave out all of the "looks" stuff and gauges.)
2001 2.5RS
AVO turbo kit.
Link ECU
FMIC
HKS SSQV
STI engine and tranny mounts
Lightened pulleys
Custom 3" cat back
Exedy lightened flywheel and clutch
Kartboy SS w/bushings
Eiback Prokit Springs
KYB AGX's w/ STI tops
18-22mm rear sway bar
F&R whiteline endlinks
STI 4-pot front calipers
Legacy Turbo rear calipers
F&R DBA Gold slotted/drilled rotors
Hawk HP+ pads
SS brake lines
Motul brake fluid
SSR Comps. (Gold) 17x7.5 +48mm
215/45-17 SO-3's
Torino Seats
Sparco Harnesses
Umm....I think taht's almost all of the class effecting stuff.
2001 2.5RS
AVO turbo kit.
Link ECU
FMIC
HKS SSQV
STI engine and tranny mounts
Lightened pulleys
Custom 3" cat back
Exedy lightened flywheel and clutch
Kartboy SS w/bushings
Eiback Prokit Springs
KYB AGX's w/ STI tops
18-22mm rear sway bar
F&R whiteline endlinks
STI 4-pot front calipers
Legacy Turbo rear calipers
F&R DBA Gold slotted/drilled rotors
Hawk HP+ pads
SS brake lines
Motul brake fluid
SSR Comps. (Gold) 17x7.5 +48mm
215/45-17 SO-3's
Torino Seats
Sparco Harnesses
Umm....I think taht's almost all of the class effecting stuff.
| Patrick Olsen | 12-31-2003 01:06 AM |
Man, I wish I could compete against some of you guys, just to see how well I could flog my Legacy against some well-prepped cars.
Anyone wanna ship their car out to Hawaii for a weekend? It should only run you about $1900 round trip - plus the $20 for the event, of course. :D
Pat Olsen
'97 Legacy 2.5GT sedan
Anyone wanna ship their car out to Hawaii for a weekend? It should only run you about $1900 round trip - plus the $20 for the event, of course. :D
Pat Olsen
'97 Legacy 2.5GT sedan
| BIGSKYWRX | 12-31-2003 11:58 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Patrick Olsen [/i]
[B]Man, I wish I could compete against some of you guys, just to see how well I could flog my Legacy against some well-prepped cars.
Anyone wanna ship their car out to Hawaii for a weekend? It should only run you about $1900 round trip - plus the $20 for the event, of course. :D
Pat Olsen
'97 Legacy 2.5GT sedan [/B][/QUOTE]
Pat it would be mcuh cheaper for you to come over here- it's only $15 for the event:banana:
[B]Man, I wish I could compete against some of you guys, just to see how well I could flog my Legacy against some well-prepped cars.
Anyone wanna ship their car out to Hawaii for a weekend? It should only run you about $1900 round trip - plus the $20 for the event, of course. :D
Pat Olsen
'97 Legacy 2.5GT sedan [/B][/QUOTE]
Pat it would be mcuh cheaper for you to come over here- it's only $15 for the event:banana:
| Davenow | 12-31-2003 12:26 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Kopf_Jager [/i]
[B]OK, so it's not al of what gets me into SM, but this outta tell you guys the jist of what DOES put me in SM...
Blitz SBC i-D Electronic Boost controller
[/B][/QUOTE]
There ya have it
[B]OK, so it's not al of what gets me into SM, but this outta tell you guys the jist of what DOES put me in SM...
Blitz SBC i-D Electronic Boost controller
[/B][/QUOTE]
There ya have it
| dwx | 12-31-2003 02:07 PM |
Heh old post. My car decided to become an autox car and not a rally car this year. And my setup is completely different, as usual.
| mykrrrr | 01-01-2004 11:46 AM |
Pardon my ignorace guys/gals...what class would an STi V3 conversion go into???
I want to start autoX next season and I'm wondering what class my future car would fall into.
-mykr.
I want to start autoX next season and I'm wondering what class my future car would fall into.
-mykr.
| Davenow | 01-01-2004 12:06 PM |
gotta be at least street mod.
| Tats | 01-01-2004 07:24 PM |
Motor swap= SM
Tats.
Tats.
| lo-buck | 01-02-2004 01:21 PM |
----Thanx spidey '02 wrx----
JIC's 10k/10k setup depends on course & conditions
Perrin Endlinks
Engine/Tranny Mounts
GGR full turboback
PDE uppipe
ECUTek Reflash/Dyno Tune (worth every penny)
225/45/17 V700's
sparco evo bucket
autopower race bar
-------waiting for--------
p&p on larger turbo
gear set
brakes
seat time
-spenc
JIC's 10k/10k setup depends on course & conditions
Perrin Endlinks
Engine/Tranny Mounts
GGR full turboback
PDE uppipe
ECUTek Reflash/Dyno Tune (worth every penny)
225/45/17 V700's
sparco evo bucket
autopower race bar
-------waiting for--------
p&p on larger turbo
gear set
brakes
seat time
-spenc
| Warp3 | 01-02-2004 02:37 PM |
1999 2.5RS that was locally competitive in DSP (1st in local club, 2nd in CCR-region)
+ Cobb Club Racer cams
- back seat
Full Info on the 2.5RS:
[url]http://www.warpthree.com/vp_warp3.html[/url]
or if the car is down for some reason a bone-stock '86 RX Turbo with a DIY boost controller, WRX intercooler/BOV, aftermarket steering wheel and WRX shift knob... :lol:
Full Info on the RX:
[url]http://www.warpthree.com/vp_warp3rx.html[/url]
I'm gonna get my a** kicked this season... :lol: :D
Shane -- [url]http://www.warpthree.com[/url]
+ Cobb Club Racer cams
- back seat
Full Info on the 2.5RS:
[url]http://www.warpthree.com/vp_warp3.html[/url]
or if the car is down for some reason a bone-stock '86 RX Turbo with a DIY boost controller, WRX intercooler/BOV, aftermarket steering wheel and WRX shift knob... :lol:
Full Info on the RX:
[url]http://www.warpthree.com/vp_warp3rx.html[/url]
I'm gonna get my a** kicked this season... :lol: :D
Shane -- [url]http://www.warpthree.com[/url]
| Smelli Bugatti | 01-02-2004 05:12 PM |
The usuall black leather with the boots, mask, whip.
| lo-buck | 01-02-2004 07:13 PM |
OOOH, night stage SM set-up
| lo-buck | 01-03-2004 11:46 PM |
do you folks prefer larger rear swaybar or higher rear springrates to promote rotation?
| makofoto | 01-08-2004 05:42 PM |
Basically a Vishnu Stg. 1 ... use a 94 octane, 17.5 boost Ecutek map ... actually get my octane up to 96 with toluene ... since the WRX ECU is suppose to recognize up to 96 octane ...
17 X 7.5 SSR's ... (50 mm off-set) with 215/45/17 T1's ...
Rotora Big Brakes, Hotchkis sway bars w/ HD mounts, Stromung downpipe back exhaust ... w/ Prodrive muffler. (Still have the oem downpipe)
STI IC, with APS aluminum intake manifold ... APS Up-Pipe.
Only one SM AutoX so far ... 2nd out of 27 ... behind a Evo8 ... driven by a fellow who's been doing it for 2 years.
I got lucky ... it rained ... :D
Looking forward to my next one on the 18th ... CA Speedway. Haven't bought "R's" yet ... so I hope it rains again ... :lol:
17 X 7.5 SSR's ... (50 mm off-set) with 215/45/17 T1's ...
Rotora Big Brakes, Hotchkis sway bars w/ HD mounts, Stromung downpipe back exhaust ... w/ Prodrive muffler. (Still have the oem downpipe)
STI IC, with APS aluminum intake manifold ... APS Up-Pipe.
Only one SM AutoX so far ... 2nd out of 27 ... behind a Evo8 ... driven by a fellow who's been doing it for 2 years.
I got lucky ... it rained ... :D
Looking forward to my next one on the 18th ... CA Speedway. Haven't bought "R's" yet ... so I hope it rains again ... :lol:
| AWMIII | 01-08-2004 10:28 PM |
In sm it really depends on who or what shows up. The sti and evo are too heavy to be contenders in sm nationally against the real sm cars. The 6 speed is not worth the 80lbs extra it weighs. same with the diffs. The deal in sm is fix it as it breaks, because you cannot afford the weight that comes with beefy upgrades. There is no way to get an v8 sti down to minimum weight and stay sm legal. The way to build a sm subaru is to start with a brighton and add a built 2.5ltr HIGH compression turbo set up with a stand alone and water injection tuned to run on c16 maybe with antilag. A built 5 speed and 160 difs with a 3.90 final drive and a early lockup center diff and a exotic rear dif. Fender flares with 16x8 or 9 light wheels with hoosiers. Wilwood calipers and light rotors, not stoptechs with big ass rotors. The smallest radiator that will keep the engine cool for 2 minutes at a time and the smallest battery made are givens. The class is going lightweight and there is no way that a usdm wrx or sti is going to get light enough legally. MY guess is that the civics will dominate yet another class after the bmw people stop spending big money to battle weight. An sm car is basically a time bomb with lots of spares. Then it takes many many events to get everything working. Then hopefully they don't make any rule changes between seasons that make the car illegal for the following year.
I also forgot a carbon fibre seat and a kart seat for the passenger. And a carbon hood.
I also forgot a carbon fibre seat and a kart seat for the passenger. And a carbon hood.
| MK19 | 01-08-2004 11:25 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by AWMIII[/i]
[B] In sm it really depends on who or what shows up. The sti and evo are too heavy to be contenders in sm nationally against the real sm cars. The 6 speed is not worth the 80lbs extra it weighs. same with the diffs. The deal in sm is fix it as it breaks, because you cannot afford the weight that comes with beefy upgrades. There is no way to get an v8 sti down to minimum weight and stay sm legal. The way to build a sm subaru is to start with a brighton and add a built 2.5ltr HIGH compression turbo set up with a stand alone and water injection tuned to run on c16 maybe with antilag. A built 5 speed and 160 difs with a 3.90 final drive and a early lockup center diff and a exotic rear dif. Fender flares with 16x8 or 9 light wheels with hoosiers. Wilwood calipers and light rotors, not stoptechs with big ass rotors. The smallest radiator that will keep the engine cool for 2 minutes at a time and the smallest battery made are givens. The class is going lightweight and there is no way that a usdm wrx or sti is going to get light enough legally. MY guess is that the civics will dominate yet another class after the bmw people stop spending big money to battle weight. An sm car is basically a time bomb with lots of spares. Then it takes many many events to get everything working. Then hopefully they don't make any rule changes between seasons that make the car illegal for the following year.
I also forgot a carbon fibre seat and a kart seat for the passenger. And a carbon hood. [/B][/QUOTE]
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
:lol: guess I'll never make it then, according to this guy :rolleyes:
[B] In sm it really depends on who or what shows up. The sti and evo are too heavy to be contenders in sm nationally against the real sm cars. The 6 speed is not worth the 80lbs extra it weighs. same with the diffs. The deal in sm is fix it as it breaks, because you cannot afford the weight that comes with beefy upgrades. There is no way to get an v8 sti down to minimum weight and stay sm legal. The way to build a sm subaru is to start with a brighton and add a built 2.5ltr HIGH compression turbo set up with a stand alone and water injection tuned to run on c16 maybe with antilag. A built 5 speed and 160 difs with a 3.90 final drive and a early lockup center diff and a exotic rear dif. Fender flares with 16x8 or 9 light wheels with hoosiers. Wilwood calipers and light rotors, not stoptechs with big ass rotors. The smallest radiator that will keep the engine cool for 2 minutes at a time and the smallest battery made are givens. The class is going lightweight and there is no way that a usdm wrx or sti is going to get light enough legally. MY guess is that the civics will dominate yet another class after the bmw people stop spending big money to battle weight. An sm car is basically a time bomb with lots of spares. Then it takes many many events to get everything working. Then hopefully they don't make any rule changes between seasons that make the car illegal for the following year.
I also forgot a carbon fibre seat and a kart seat for the passenger. And a carbon hood. [/B][/QUOTE]
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
:lol: guess I'll never make it then, according to this guy :rolleyes:
| nate49509 | 01-08-2004 11:59 PM |
Thats because you suck damon.:lol:
| AWMIII | 01-09-2004 10:42 AM |
I am just trying to talk about reality. The reality of sm is that it is a very big money class or it is a featherweight class. My wrx was 2950 in sm trim. It still needed to lose a couple hundred pounds to compete nationally. Sure it won locally. Sometimes it won by several seconds. In fact, it won almost everytime that it was working right locally. My car budget last year was about 15k not counting travel expenses,upgrades, payments, insurance, ect... I underspent by a bunch. If you want to run a sti locally in sm that is fine. You will probably do well. On a national level, you would have to spend really big money and a whole bunch of time to make it competitive. I was mearly disputing that an sti or evo could win sm with basic bolt ons on concrete at a tour. You would be able to build a better sm car from a brighton than a v8 sti. I used to feel like a big **** with my tein RAs. At tours, most winners are using custom struts with external resevoirs. EVERYONE tows. Some are winched back on the trailer after breaking. I was happy just to not dump oil or gear lube on the course. The redshift civic was forsale for a couple thousand last fall. That would not be a bad starting point for sm. Our best local competitor runs an e30 325I with a turbo'd e36 m3 engine. It weighs close to the minimum. He fought suspension issues all year. In the dry, my car could not touch it. He is a 20 year autoxer who does nats almost every year and still did not do well at the big show last year. His car was professionally built for sm and is not really driven on the street. It is a battle of lightness vs money.
| Silver Bullet 02 | 01-09-2004 10:52 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by AWMIII [/i]
[B]A wrx can be competitive in sm nationally. I cannot say that my car was too slow to compete. ... Autocross is much more about driver skill than car prep, even at a national level. The wrx that trophied at Peru was not radically prepared. It was not even as prepared as my car is. I believe that his name on here is silverbullet. He plain out drove me and beat some VERY prepared cars on the first day. I simply am not used to the crazy speeds involved in the Peru event. Dennis Grant's car has not ever had the valve cover off. Oh and not everyone would be happy to tell you all of their secrets. There is stuff going on with autocross wrxes that almost noe of you know about and no one discusses on the internet. If you want to find out, take a walk through impound. [/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah, that was me at Peru. I think I could have pulled off second place if I would have been a little more focused on the second day. I was happy with 4th though since that was my first full season of autocrossing. I did race go carts for several years about 25 years ago. Seems wierd saying I did anything 25 years ago. I'm in my late 30's now. My car had the following mods at Peru...
Cobb Club Spec Kit (around 280hp)
PDE uppipe
Poly bushings for lower front control arms
Group N bushings for the rear arms
Tein RA suspension (set full stiff front and rear, I realize that may not be optimal but I've tried other settings and that seems to be what feels the best)
16x7.5 generic wheels
215/40/16 Hoosier tires (Had about 20 runs on them)
STi tranny mount
Cobb lightweight flywheel and clutch
Upgraded front and rear sway bars (rear set full stiff)
Perrin rear endlinks
Cobb stage II brake kit
Front:
Toe = 0
Camber = -2 (not enough for concrete)
Rear:
Toe = 1/8" total toe out
Camber = around 0.75 degrees if I remember right
Since then I have broken first gear and replaced the gearset with the STi RA V6 gearset and a Quaife front diff. I'm pretty confident I would have been right up with Dennis Grant at Peru if I would have had these mods. The RA gearset keeps the rpms up where the hp is. The quaife up front reduces power on understeer and lets you get on the gas much sooner coming out of a turn. My guess is that the gears and the Quaife are good for around 0.5 to 1 second off of a typical 45 second course. That's just a guess based on my times compared to other local drivers at last three events I ran.
I'm considering adding the Noltec caster/camber plates and the Perrin caster bushing setup. That may allow me to dial out some of the rear toe out that I'm using now.
As far as people keeping secrets... I think the more we share about our WRX setups the better the WRX community will do in national competition. I know its tempting to hold back info but its not like we are racing for big money. I would rather share what I know and have it benifit the comunity than keep it all to myself.
I think the keys to my car's performance are (just a guess):
1. Tein RA suspension for sure. Made a huge difference.
2. Upgraded sway bars and rear endlinks
3. Small diameter, lightweight tires and wheels. Keeps mass, rotational inertia and unsprung weight down as well as it lowers the car about 1" to keep the cg low.
4. Stiffer bushings maintain alignment settings better through the turns and in breaking
5. My modest power upgrades help some also
6. Evolution driving school and seat time.
7. I data log velocity for each event so I can compare all my runs in graph form in Excel. I can figure breaking G's and figure out why one run was faster than another using this method. I think that helps me to focus on my weak points and makes me a better driver.
I won the PAX championship for my region this year out of about 300 drivers so I think my setup is working for me. All that said, I still got beat by a DS WRX at the last event that I ran this year so I still have a lot of learning to do ;)
[B]A wrx can be competitive in sm nationally. I cannot say that my car was too slow to compete. ... Autocross is much more about driver skill than car prep, even at a national level. The wrx that trophied at Peru was not radically prepared. It was not even as prepared as my car is. I believe that his name on here is silverbullet. He plain out drove me and beat some VERY prepared cars on the first day. I simply am not used to the crazy speeds involved in the Peru event. Dennis Grant's car has not ever had the valve cover off. Oh and not everyone would be happy to tell you all of their secrets. There is stuff going on with autocross wrxes that almost noe of you know about and no one discusses on the internet. If you want to find out, take a walk through impound. [/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah, that was me at Peru. I think I could have pulled off second place if I would have been a little more focused on the second day. I was happy with 4th though since that was my first full season of autocrossing. I did race go carts for several years about 25 years ago. Seems wierd saying I did anything 25 years ago. I'm in my late 30's now. My car had the following mods at Peru...
Cobb Club Spec Kit (around 280hp)
PDE uppipe
Poly bushings for lower front control arms
Group N bushings for the rear arms
Tein RA suspension (set full stiff front and rear, I realize that may not be optimal but I've tried other settings and that seems to be what feels the best)
16x7.5 generic wheels
215/40/16 Hoosier tires (Had about 20 runs on them)
STi tranny mount
Cobb lightweight flywheel and clutch
Upgraded front and rear sway bars (rear set full stiff)
Perrin rear endlinks
Cobb stage II brake kit
Front:
Toe = 0
Camber = -2 (not enough for concrete)
Rear:
Toe = 1/8" total toe out
Camber = around 0.75 degrees if I remember right
Since then I have broken first gear and replaced the gearset with the STi RA V6 gearset and a Quaife front diff. I'm pretty confident I would have been right up with Dennis Grant at Peru if I would have had these mods. The RA gearset keeps the rpms up where the hp is. The quaife up front reduces power on understeer and lets you get on the gas much sooner coming out of a turn. My guess is that the gears and the Quaife are good for around 0.5 to 1 second off of a typical 45 second course. That's just a guess based on my times compared to other local drivers at last three events I ran.
I'm considering adding the Noltec caster/camber plates and the Perrin caster bushing setup. That may allow me to dial out some of the rear toe out that I'm using now.
As far as people keeping secrets... I think the more we share about our WRX setups the better the WRX community will do in national competition. I know its tempting to hold back info but its not like we are racing for big money. I would rather share what I know and have it benifit the comunity than keep it all to myself.
I think the keys to my car's performance are (just a guess):
1. Tein RA suspension for sure. Made a huge difference.
2. Upgraded sway bars and rear endlinks
3. Small diameter, lightweight tires and wheels. Keeps mass, rotational inertia and unsprung weight down as well as it lowers the car about 1" to keep the cg low.
4. Stiffer bushings maintain alignment settings better through the turns and in breaking
5. My modest power upgrades help some also
6. Evolution driving school and seat time.
7. I data log velocity for each event so I can compare all my runs in graph form in Excel. I can figure breaking G's and figure out why one run was faster than another using this method. I think that helps me to focus on my weak points and makes me a better driver.
I won the PAX championship for my region this year out of about 300 drivers so I think my setup is working for me. All that said, I still got beat by a DS WRX at the last event that I ran this year so I still have a lot of learning to do ;)
| AWMIII | 01-09-2004 11:04 AM |
Yeah but Dennis was not in the trophys at Topeka.
| Silver Bullet 02 | 01-09-2004 11:17 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by AWMIII [/i]
[B]Yeah but Dennis was not in the trophys at Topeka. [/B][/QUOTE]
You are right. I think Dennis was 14th at nationals and about 2 seconds per day off of first place. I think he had a really bad first day because he was only about 0.75 seconds off of first place the second day.
I wouldn't consider my car competitive at a national level since it is only about 220whp. I race the KY, Cincinatti, Columbus IN, and Lexington KY regions and I'm usually in the top few cars in the PAX in all regions. I've taken fastest fendered time of the day in my region at one event with 160 drivers. So... not to say my car is a hot SM car but considering the low power I believe I do have a good suspension setup.
Like I said, 2003 was my first full season of auto-x so I'm very open to suggestions and seeing what everyone else is running. I think I'm about 250 whp and a lot of seat time off of being nationally competitive though so I'm pretty confident that national tours will be the extent of my competiton. I'll be interested to see what gets posted here. I think it helps to see how people are doing in local or regional competition.
I'm also open to setup critiques here too. I would like to hear what others might do different. :)
[B]Yeah but Dennis was not in the trophys at Topeka. [/B][/QUOTE]
You are right. I think Dennis was 14th at nationals and about 2 seconds per day off of first place. I think he had a really bad first day because he was only about 0.75 seconds off of first place the second day.
I wouldn't consider my car competitive at a national level since it is only about 220whp. I race the KY, Cincinatti, Columbus IN, and Lexington KY regions and I'm usually in the top few cars in the PAX in all regions. I've taken fastest fendered time of the day in my region at one event with 160 drivers. So... not to say my car is a hot SM car but considering the low power I believe I do have a good suspension setup.
Like I said, 2003 was my first full season of auto-x so I'm very open to suggestions and seeing what everyone else is running. I think I'm about 250 whp and a lot of seat time off of being nationally competitive though so I'm pretty confident that national tours will be the extent of my competiton. I'll be interested to see what gets posted here. I think it helps to see how people are doing in local or regional competition.
I'm also open to setup critiques here too. I would like to hear what others might do different. :)
| AWMIII | 01-09-2004 11:27 AM |
For your car, I would go to a lighter radiator, lighter battery or relocate to trunk, headers (just for the weight) custom race wheels (like 9lbs each), carbon fender flares with much of the fender cut away, Delete airconditioning, light seats. The thing that helped me a bunch was softening my rear bar for faster courses. My car was getting squirrelly under power due to the anti IRS effect of the rear sway. I made that change after Peru and ran within 1/10th of the purple bmw at a 2 day local event. My clutch crapped the bed during that event or I believe that I would have beat him. On the first day, I beat him.
| Silver Bullet 02 | 01-09-2004 11:30 AM |
Thanks for the info!
| dwx | 01-09-2004 11:42 AM |
Corey Smith did very well in 2001/2002 in a S4 which weighed probably 500lbs more than most of its competitors. He was 2nd at nationals both years, among the M3s. Not to say that wasn't a $100k car, but you can't just imagine away all the weight of that car. I think you are putting a little too much emphasis on the car and not enough on the driver. You could stick Bob Tunnell in a half-prepped anything and he'd do well.
Also, I think you'll see some EVOs in SM next year that place very well. Especially if someone decides to prep the RS model of EVO. You could probably get that car down to 3050lbs or so, and it'll make 400hp out of the stock turbo. I think the one that was 2nd in ESP would have certainly come in the top 5-10 in SM with the driver it had, and that's without touching the boost. It's too bad ESP and SM ran in the rain on opposite sides so you can't compare times, but they are generally fairly even in the top 5-10. SM generally has faster times at the very top.
Also, I think you'll see some EVOs in SM next year that place very well. Especially if someone decides to prep the RS model of EVO. You could probably get that car down to 3050lbs or so, and it'll make 400hp out of the stock turbo. I think the one that was 2nd in ESP would have certainly come in the top 5-10 in SM with the driver it had, and that's without touching the boost. It's too bad ESP and SM ran in the rain on opposite sides so you can't compare times, but they are generally fairly even in the top 5-10. SM generally has faster times at the very top.
| makofoto | 01-09-2004 12:49 PM |
I was watching the "Best Motoring" japanese video "The Evo Strikes Back!" last night ... one of the "shows" was a race between a stock Evo8 and STI vs the light weight "C" versions of both cars ... by "real" racing drivers. The heavier Stock versions pulled away from the light weights during the race ... after the race the drivers explained that since it was pretty cool ... the heavyweight stock stocks were able to get more heat into their tires. During the race they keep switching back and forth between the various drivers ... who are talking away giving commentary. The light weight car drivers keep complaining that their tires aren't working. Interesting ... I wonder if in our typically short AutoX's ... if this could ever come into play ... where being very light might hurt. But I guess with real "R" compounds, this isn't much of an issue?
| AWMIII | 01-09-2004 06:00 PM |
Weight vs. Dollars
SM is an immature class like sts is. The difference is that sts has more competitors and they have developed the class faster because of that. Daddio ran sm a bunch in his neon with a turbo. He did only okay and that was 2 years ago. I would put him above Tunnell in ability. The other cars were too fast. The class is getting faster and faster. Maybe sm will go CVT like amod? My guess is to run in sm next year, you will need to be able to run low 11s and corner like a csp car. No I am not exagerating. Maybe a certain FSP driver will go turbo and kick everyone's butts.
SM is an immature class like sts is. The difference is that sts has more competitors and they have developed the class faster because of that. Daddio ran sm a bunch in his neon with a turbo. He did only okay and that was 2 years ago. I would put him above Tunnell in ability. The other cars were too fast. The class is getting faster and faster. Maybe sm will go CVT like amod? My guess is to run in sm next year, you will need to be able to run low 11s and corner like a csp car. No I am not exagerating. Maybe a certain FSP driver will go turbo and kick everyone's butts.
| XT6Wagon | 01-09-2004 08:25 PM |
I'm fairly sure that the hoosier autoX formula is plenty soft for a STi to get its game on. Or atleast as good as anyone else.
| dwx | 01-09-2004 09:20 PM |
I think it'll be awhile before we see any CVT transmissions. I talked with the guys from the HART (Honda) SM car and they were toying with the idea but even with the power their SC 1.6 puts out nothing Honda makes could handle it. The AM cars put out quite a bit of horsepower out of a snowmobile engine, but they rev astronomically high.
It will always be a battle between light nimble cars with moderate HP versus heavier cars with lots of HP. The E36 M3 right now just happens to be the best balance of both, and the suspension and tuning possibilities for that car are infinite. Not to mention the best tuner (Bimmerhaus) is run by an autocross guy. I haven't really seen SM get that much faster over the last couple years. Tunnell alone is responsible for the huge increase in PAX this year. I think the participation is down because people are scared off. I hope that doesn't continue. I think Jason Tipple was going to join SM in his Civic but bought a 240sx w/SR20 DET swap instead. I think he plans on racing that in SM this year as well as doing the SCCA drift competitions. There are alot of Sciroccos running in SM, whereas they used to go into FSP. Taka Aono, who has been the best in FSP by quite a bit recently, would have done well in SM with his AE86. However, he still would have been well behind Bob Tunnell.
I have a friend with a 200SX that he recently turbo'd after building a kit for the last 3 years. He actually got 250whp out of that car, which is probably around 280-290 flywheel HP. It really surprised me how much he got out of it, and it hits peak torque around 4000rpm. It only weighs like 2400 lbs and I think with a LSD could be a great SM car.
I just hate seeing the entries these days and it being filled with M3s, I think it turns other people off. I know there are quite a few that are just buying 95 M3s to run in SM though.
It will always be a battle between light nimble cars with moderate HP versus heavier cars with lots of HP. The E36 M3 right now just happens to be the best balance of both, and the suspension and tuning possibilities for that car are infinite. Not to mention the best tuner (Bimmerhaus) is run by an autocross guy. I haven't really seen SM get that much faster over the last couple years. Tunnell alone is responsible for the huge increase in PAX this year. I think the participation is down because people are scared off. I hope that doesn't continue. I think Jason Tipple was going to join SM in his Civic but bought a 240sx w/SR20 DET swap instead. I think he plans on racing that in SM this year as well as doing the SCCA drift competitions. There are alot of Sciroccos running in SM, whereas they used to go into FSP. Taka Aono, who has been the best in FSP by quite a bit recently, would have done well in SM with his AE86. However, he still would have been well behind Bob Tunnell.
I have a friend with a 200SX that he recently turbo'd after building a kit for the last 3 years. He actually got 250whp out of that car, which is probably around 280-290 flywheel HP. It really surprised me how much he got out of it, and it hits peak torque around 4000rpm. It only weighs like 2400 lbs and I think with a LSD could be a great SM car.
I just hate seeing the entries these days and it being filled with M3s, I think it turns other people off. I know there are quite a few that are just buying 95 M3s to run in SM though.
| makofoto | 01-09-2004 09:34 PM |
They might not be competetive ... but aren't there a lot of WRX's ... that get thrown in SM ... because of their popular "street mods?"
I've gotten a lot of different answers ... but have been told I'm in SM because of my Vishnu Stg. 1 EcuTek re-map (added boost), and/or STI Intercooler, and/or Big Brakes ... ? I'm just doing some AutoX for fun ... and I'm not going to remove any of those mods to run in another class.
I've gotten a lot of different answers ... but have been told I'm in SM because of my Vishnu Stg. 1 EcuTek re-map (added boost), and/or STI Intercooler, and/or Big Brakes ... ? I'm just doing some AutoX for fun ... and I'm not going to remove any of those mods to run in another class.
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