| CirrusWRX | 10-05-2004 11:56 AM |
SH--! Earnhardt Jr. smacked with 25 point penalty
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Heh - could you imagine if FIA enforced a "cursing" penalty on Gronholm?!?! The guy would be at negative points by now and owe over a million dollars :lol:
stupid asscar!
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NASCAR star Dale Earnhardt Jr. was knocked out of first place in the Nextel Cup by a slip of the tongue.
Earnhardt was docked 25 points and fined $10,000 by NASCAR on Tuesday for cursing during a TV interview after his victory at Talladega Superspeedway.
Asked Sunday by NASCAR broadcaster NBC about the significance of his fifth victory at Talladega, Earnhardt said, "It don't mean s--- right now. Daddy's won here 10 times."
Now, instead of leading Kurt Busch by 13 points in the Nextel Cup standings, Earnhardt, the son of the late seven-time series champion Dale Earnhardt, trails by 12 with seven races left in the season.
Richie Gilmore, director of competition for Dale Earnhardt Inc., said the team will appeal NASCAR's decision.
"This is a huge setback for the entire company," Gilmore said. "We're in a sport that focuses its primary attention on the final 10 races of the season and we're racing against formidable teams for a championship. We're facing a setback from a competition standpoint for something that should be considered a personal foul. We have no choice but to appeal the points portion of the penalty.
"I think we're the only sport that takes points off of the board after they've been scored. The popularity of this sport is based on colorful personalities and the fact that everyone can relate to these drivers and their emotions. Now, it seems like that's a detriment."
Pointing out that Junior's comments were not made in anger, Gilmore said the team has received hundred of supportive calls from fans.
"This whole incident is going to force everyone in the sport to rethink showing any excitement in what should be a jubilant moment," Gilmore added.
Appeals are heard by a three-person panel selected by NASCAR from the National Stock Car Racing Commission. No date has been set for the appeal.
Earnhardt will still be credited with the 14th victory of his career and fifth at Talladega but, with the points penalty, it's as if he finished fifth on Sunday. Still, he has plenty of time to make up the deficit on Busch, with up to 190 points available at each of the last seven events.
In February, NASCAR president Mike Helton told drivers to watch their language on radio and television. Less than a month later, he showed he meant it: Johnny Sauter was fined and lost 25 points for swearing during a radio interview following a Busch Series race in Las Vegas.
Ron Hornaday Jr. also was hit with a fine and the loss of 25 points after cursing during a live radio interview in June during a Busch race at Dover.
NASCAR spokesman Mike Zizzo said Earnhardt's penalty was consistent with those penalties.
"NASCAR President Mike Helton made it clear back in February at the drivers meeting at Rockingham that we, as a family sport, were taking this very seriously and adhering to FCC guidelines," Zizzo said. "The timing is unfortunate for Dale Jr., but NASCAR also made it clear to the competitors that we would police the last 10 races just like we did the first 26."
Earnhardt could immediately be reached for comment on the penalties.
Since Janet Jackson's breast-bearing halftime show at the Super Bowl on Feb. 1, the FCC has cracked down on objectionable content on TV. Last month, CBS was fined a record $550,000 by federal regulators for the halftime show.
Junior, who will turn 30 next Sunday, could not immediately be reached for comment. Minutes after the TV interview, however, he knew that his comment was going to mean trouble.
He was visibly uncomfortable during the winner's interview in the pressbox, defending his use of what NASCAR has deemed inappropriate language.
"I hope they understand that it was in jubilation and I know me and those other guys that got fined let it slip, but it's two different circumstances," Earnhardt said. "I think that when you're happy and joyous about something and it happens, I think it's different than being angry and cursing in anger."
Earnhardt added that he wasn't promoting the use of that language.
"If anybody was offended by the four-letter word I said ... I can't imagine why they would have tuned into the race in the first place," he said.
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stupid asscar!
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NASCAR star Dale Earnhardt Jr. was knocked out of first place in the Nextel Cup by a slip of the tongue.
Earnhardt was docked 25 points and fined $10,000 by NASCAR on Tuesday for cursing during a TV interview after his victory at Talladega Superspeedway.
Asked Sunday by NASCAR broadcaster NBC about the significance of his fifth victory at Talladega, Earnhardt said, "It don't mean s--- right now. Daddy's won here 10 times."
Now, instead of leading Kurt Busch by 13 points in the Nextel Cup standings, Earnhardt, the son of the late seven-time series champion Dale Earnhardt, trails by 12 with seven races left in the season.
Richie Gilmore, director of competition for Dale Earnhardt Inc., said the team will appeal NASCAR's decision.
"This is a huge setback for the entire company," Gilmore said. "We're in a sport that focuses its primary attention on the final 10 races of the season and we're racing against formidable teams for a championship. We're facing a setback from a competition standpoint for something that should be considered a personal foul. We have no choice but to appeal the points portion of the penalty.
"I think we're the only sport that takes points off of the board after they've been scored. The popularity of this sport is based on colorful personalities and the fact that everyone can relate to these drivers and their emotions. Now, it seems like that's a detriment."
Pointing out that Junior's comments were not made in anger, Gilmore said the team has received hundred of supportive calls from fans.
"This whole incident is going to force everyone in the sport to rethink showing any excitement in what should be a jubilant moment," Gilmore added.
Appeals are heard by a three-person panel selected by NASCAR from the National Stock Car Racing Commission. No date has been set for the appeal.
Earnhardt will still be credited with the 14th victory of his career and fifth at Talladega but, with the points penalty, it's as if he finished fifth on Sunday. Still, he has plenty of time to make up the deficit on Busch, with up to 190 points available at each of the last seven events.
In February, NASCAR president Mike Helton told drivers to watch their language on radio and television. Less than a month later, he showed he meant it: Johnny Sauter was fined and lost 25 points for swearing during a radio interview following a Busch Series race in Las Vegas.
Ron Hornaday Jr. also was hit with a fine and the loss of 25 points after cursing during a live radio interview in June during a Busch race at Dover.
NASCAR spokesman Mike Zizzo said Earnhardt's penalty was consistent with those penalties.
"NASCAR President Mike Helton made it clear back in February at the drivers meeting at Rockingham that we, as a family sport, were taking this very seriously and adhering to FCC guidelines," Zizzo said. "The timing is unfortunate for Dale Jr., but NASCAR also made it clear to the competitors that we would police the last 10 races just like we did the first 26."
Earnhardt could immediately be reached for comment on the penalties.
Since Janet Jackson's breast-bearing halftime show at the Super Bowl on Feb. 1, the FCC has cracked down on objectionable content on TV. Last month, CBS was fined a record $550,000 by federal regulators for the halftime show.
Junior, who will turn 30 next Sunday, could not immediately be reached for comment. Minutes after the TV interview, however, he knew that his comment was going to mean trouble.
He was visibly uncomfortable during the winner's interview in the pressbox, defending his use of what NASCAR has deemed inappropriate language.
"I hope they understand that it was in jubilation and I know me and those other guys that got fined let it slip, but it's two different circumstances," Earnhardt said. "I think that when you're happy and joyous about something and it happens, I think it's different than being angry and cursing in anger."
Earnhardt added that he wasn't promoting the use of that language.
"If anybody was offended by the four-letter word I said ... I can't imagine why they would have tuned into the race in the first place," he said.
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| Leonardo | 10-05-2004 12:03 PM |
Damn!!!
| zzyzx | 10-05-2004 12:04 PM |
:lol:
| DrBiggly | 10-05-2004 12:32 PM |
Shazam! :alien:
| HoOn | 10-05-2004 12:44 PM |
0wn3d! :lol:
| nate49509 | 10-05-2004 12:47 PM |
You can take the boy out of the trailer park but you can't take the trailer park out of the boy! :lol: :lol:
| XtianLA | 10-05-2004 12:54 PM |
I'm not a big nascar fan, but I watch Speed Channel a lot. I have to say that is definitely BS. It would be one thing if he directed the word to like another driver or an actual person, but he was just using it to describe something.
Not only that, but just like the director for DHI said about the personalities of drivers, it can't be changed. You don't get points taken from your team in the NBA in the case of a flagrant or technical foul, you get fined instead.....so fine Dale Jr. and leave it at that, don't penalize them with points...
Not only that, but just like the director for DHI said about the personalities of drivers, it can't be changed. You don't get points taken from your team in the NBA in the case of a flagrant or technical foul, you get fined instead.....so fine Dale Jr. and leave it at that, don't penalize them with points...
| Fred | 10-05-2004 12:54 PM |
So they can show the kids the wreck in which his dad died, but they can't let him say "****."
what a bunch of ****.
:rolleyes:
what a bunch of ****.
:rolleyes:
| paultg | 10-05-2004 01:17 PM |
[QUOTE=XtianLA]I'm not a big nascar fan, but I watch Speed Channel a lot. I have to say that is definitely BS. It would be one thing if he directed the word to like another driver or an actual person, but he was just using it to describe something.
Not only that, but just like the director for DHI said about the personalities of drivers, it can't be changed. You don't get points taken from your team in the NBA in the case of a flagrant or technical foul, you get fined instead.....so fine Dale Jr. and leave it at that, don't penalize them with points...[/QUOTE]
Nascar already issued the same penalty twice this year to other drivers for similar situation.
They can't "review how the word was used or how it was/is directed at someone" and decide on different penalties. It would open up a huge can of worms.
The drivers were warned. Drivers previously were also fined and lost points. Dale Jr. shouldn't be an exception to the rule.
If he looses the championship by less than 25 points I wouldn't want to be anywhere near the championship dinner celebration!
Paul G.
Not only that, but just like the director for DHI said about the personalities of drivers, it can't be changed. You don't get points taken from your team in the NBA in the case of a flagrant or technical foul, you get fined instead.....so fine Dale Jr. and leave it at that, don't penalize them with points...[/QUOTE]
Nascar already issued the same penalty twice this year to other drivers for similar situation.
They can't "review how the word was used or how it was/is directed at someone" and decide on different penalties. It would open up a huge can of worms.
The drivers were warned. Drivers previously were also fined and lost points. Dale Jr. shouldn't be an exception to the rule.
If he looses the championship by less than 25 points I wouldn't want to be anywhere near the championship dinner celebration!
Paul G.
| Paisan | 10-05-2004 01:34 PM |
[QUOTE=nate49509]You can take the boy out of the trailer park but you can't take the trailer park out of the boy! :lol: :lol:[/QUOTE]
Well said! Take out of the trailerpark, give em $1M cars, dress em up, even give em a whole damn Cable TV network, still boils down to trailerpark antics! haaaaaaa
-mike
Well said! Take out of the trailerpark, give em $1M cars, dress em up, even give em a whole damn Cable TV network, still boils down to trailerpark antics! haaaaaaa
-mike
| kfoote | 10-05-2004 01:44 PM |
Fine-sure, I have no problem with that.
Points...I didn't relalize this had been handed down earlier in the year, otherwise I would have been upset about it then. The worst case scenario would be if no decision is reached by the court of appeals by the time the banquet rolls around. This would be the ultimate backfire on the entire NASCAR system, leaving everyone unhappy.
Points...I didn't relalize this had been handed down earlier in the year, otherwise I would have been upset about it then. The worst case scenario would be if no decision is reached by the court of appeals by the time the banquet rolls around. This would be the ultimate backfire on the entire NASCAR system, leaving everyone unhappy.
| MikeWRX-NJ | 10-05-2004 01:59 PM |
I heard about this on the radio, when they played Jr's sound bite i could sware i was listening to this guy.
[IMG]http://www.wvah.com/programs/kingofthehill/boomhauer.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.wvah.com/programs/kingofthehill/boomhauer.jpg[/IMG]
| artkevin | 10-05-2004 02:25 PM |
NASCAR had to to it like pualtg said. If they didn't they would have no creditablity to dole out punishment. They had already set a precident. Sorry Jr.
| turboICE | 10-05-2004 04:48 PM |
Well the [i]"wonderful"[/i] FCC chair Powell Jr doesn't seem to concerned then neither should ASCAR. Powell said there was nothing wrong with it in the context it was in.
| artkevin | 10-05-2004 04:52 PM |
Micheal Powell is a putz that uses a blurry line to say what is right and what is wrong.
| V6TurboTA | 10-05-2004 04:55 PM |
Ahh that doesnt mean Shi+!
~v6
~v6
| turboICE | 10-05-2004 05:06 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]Micheal Powell is a putz that uses a blurry line to say what is right and what is wrong.[/QUOTE]
Agreed but if the FCC isn't going to fine for what was said neither should ASCAR. I mean 90% of the fans south of the Mason Dixon line speak the forbidden seven words within the first 100 words they learn... (This is not a judgment statement - merely pointing out I doubt even the most conservative fan didn't even notice the word until the suits made a big deal about it.) I want to know of one sponsor that had a problem with it too because I will boycott them for being so trivial.
Agreed but if the FCC isn't going to fine for what was said neither should ASCAR. I mean 90% of the fans south of the Mason Dixon line speak the forbidden seven words within the first 100 words they learn... (This is not a judgment statement - merely pointing out I doubt even the most conservative fan didn't even notice the word until the suits made a big deal about it.) I want to know of one sponsor that had a problem with it too because I will boycott them for being so trivial.
| DILLIGAF Racing | 10-05-2004 05:36 PM |
not to get political or anything, cause this isn't the forum for it. But how is this any different then the "incident" at the Super Bowl?
| nate49509 | 10-05-2004 05:39 PM |
Well, was this live? Did they bleep it?
| DILLIGAF Racing | 10-05-2004 05:39 PM |
yes it was live, no it wasn't
| 8Complex | 10-05-2004 06:02 PM |
[QUOTE=CirrusWRX]"It don't mean s--- right now. Daddy's won here 10 times."[/QUOTE]
Yee haw.
Yee haw.
| LordBass | 10-05-2004 06:37 PM |
I hate NASCRAP with every morsel of my soul but agree 100% with "Junior" here:
[QUOTE=Junior]"If anybody was offended by the four-letter word I said ... I can't imagine why they would have tuned into the race in the first place," he said.[/QUOTE]
:)
[QUOTE=Junior]"If anybody was offended by the four-letter word I said ... I can't imagine why they would have tuned into the race in the first place," he said.[/QUOTE]
:)
| DriftnWRX | 10-05-2004 06:45 PM |
Micheal Powell is a D***** bag!
| turboICE | 10-05-2004 07:06 PM |
[QUOTE=DILLIGAF Racing]not to get political or anything, cause this isn't the forum for it. But how is this any different then the "incident" at the Super Bowl?[/QUOTE]
A better comparison would be how is it different from Bono? (Which the FCC passed on.) Language vs. exposure is how it is different. I don't have a problem with flashing but that was one hooter that should not have been exposed, FUGLY!
A better comparison would be how is it different from Bono? (Which the FCC passed on.) Language vs. exposure is how it is different. I don't have a problem with flashing but that was one hooter that should not have been exposed, FUGLY!
| DILLIGAF Racing | 10-05-2004 07:09 PM |
lol, true
| Hagwag02 | 10-05-2004 08:43 PM |
The braintrust over at Southpark indicated that saying S*** is not prohibited on the public airwaves if it is not said in a derisive, inflammatory, or scatalogical context; used as an exclamation of surprise or as an adjective. :confused: :lol:
It's a sad state of affairs when in an obvious state of thrilled excitement a man is fined and loses his points lead so that the sport can retain a "high" level of integrity and wholesome family entertainment. Meanwhile the more "mainstream" sports such as basketball, baseball, football, and hockey continue to caudle and cater to their prima donnas. Heaven forbid a baseball manager actually place a bet on his team to [B]win[/B] a game thereby causing him to be banned from the sport for all eternity. :rolleyes: However, if you're a rapist, murderer, drug addict, or just plain predatory thug, well the world is your litterbox and $100 bills are your toilet paper. :furious:
Criminal activities on and off the court or field are A-OK; just don't let them catch you cursing on TV! :devil:
It's a sad state of affairs when in an obvious state of thrilled excitement a man is fined and loses his points lead so that the sport can retain a "high" level of integrity and wholesome family entertainment. Meanwhile the more "mainstream" sports such as basketball, baseball, football, and hockey continue to caudle and cater to their prima donnas. Heaven forbid a baseball manager actually place a bet on his team to [B]win[/B] a game thereby causing him to be banned from the sport for all eternity. :rolleyes: However, if you're a rapist, murderer, drug addict, or just plain predatory thug, well the world is your litterbox and $100 bills are your toilet paper. :furious:
Criminal activities on and off the court or field are A-OK; just don't let them catch you cursing on TV! :devil:
| Bundyboyz | 10-05-2004 09:23 PM |
A fine may... may have been apporiate... but docking the points is just plain dumb.
They guy came back from 11th place with 4 laps left. And he was referencing his father who died.
He had every right in my mind... they should of been able to bleep it.
They guy came back from 11th place with 4 laps left. And he was referencing his father who died.
He had every right in my mind... they should of been able to bleep it.
| artkevin | 10-05-2004 09:34 PM |
NBC was not running a delay. I can only imagine that they were not so that online live timing would be accurate to the image onthe screen. I wish Janet could suck that boob back in to that shirt and the whole Superbowl thing never happened. That just gave rise to the FCC being able to be hypocryitical.
| DILLIGAF Racing | 10-05-2004 09:37 PM |
[QUOTE=Bundyboyz]A fine may... may have been apporiate... but docking the points is just plain dumb.
They guy came back from 11th place with 4 laps left. And he was referencing his father who died.
He had every right in my mind... they should of been able to bleep it.[/QUOTE]
so your saying, if I am watching the news tomorrow and they are interviewing someone who's family was killed, they are allowed to swear at free will? In a perfect world, yes. Unfortunately, we have a government that tells what we see and hear.
They guy came back from 11th place with 4 laps left. And he was referencing his father who died.
He had every right in my mind... they should of been able to bleep it.[/QUOTE]
so your saying, if I am watching the news tomorrow and they are interviewing someone who's family was killed, they are allowed to swear at free will? In a perfect world, yes. Unfortunately, we have a government that tells what we see and hear.
| Achilles38WRX | 10-05-2004 10:01 PM |
[QUOTE=Bundyboyz]A fine may... may have been apporiate... but docking the points is just plain dumb.
.[/QUOTE]
i have to agree with this. if an offence happens on the track, with your pit crew, or cheating, then dock points.
for something like this, just fine him.
lame.
.[/QUOTE]
i have to agree with this. if an offence happens on the track, with your pit crew, or cheating, then dock points.
for something like this, just fine him.
lame.
| DILLIGAF Racing | 10-05-2004 10:03 PM |
Its NASCAR Rules though, and all drivers know to watch their P's and Q's
| plucky | 10-05-2004 10:23 PM |
Well who in their right mind is gonna watch their Ps and Qs after winning a race like that, although Jr did said it didnt mean @#$%......
NASCRAP and American society needs to lighten up here. Too many things are censored, i'm glad i'm an American but glad i was brought up in a different culture.
NASCRAP and American society needs to lighten up here. Too many things are censored, i'm glad i'm an American but glad i was brought up in a different culture.
| paultg | 10-06-2004 10:41 AM |
Look, this entire subject can get very very big. This isn't an issue with Nascar (at least not 100%).
1. Nascar had made the exact same ruling twice this season for other drivers.
They can't look a different way in Jr. situation.
So I see two issues:
1. How Nascar deals with the situation. I agree the points deduction sort of sucks.
2. Why the word needs to be sensored to begin with (a much bigger issue).
I encourge you all (without getting too political) to go out and vote. This is one of the issues (although not talked about much) for this election: sensorship, FCC control, etc..
The list goes on and on. Go vote and make your concerns heard.
Paul G.
1. Nascar had made the exact same ruling twice this season for other drivers.
They can't look a different way in Jr. situation.
So I see two issues:
1. How Nascar deals with the situation. I agree the points deduction sort of sucks.
2. Why the word needs to be sensored to begin with (a much bigger issue).
I encourge you all (without getting too political) to go out and vote. This is one of the issues (although not talked about much) for this election: sensorship, FCC control, etc..
The list goes on and on. Go vote and make your concerns heard.
Paul G.
| dmatthew | 10-06-2004 10:51 AM |
I can't wait for Formula 1 drivers to start swearing like that! Lol
| kfoote | 10-06-2004 11:16 AM |
Monotoya did last year during the official post race interview. AFAIK, there were no fines or penalties.
Story here *NWS-bad word*
[url]http://www.sportnetwork.net/main/s107/st21297.htm[/url]
Story here *NWS-bad word*
[url]http://www.sportnetwork.net/main/s107/st21297.htm[/url]
| GarySheehan | 10-06-2004 12:00 PM |
NASCAR is dedicated to producing a show for the entire family. In that context, I admire NASCAR for demanding that the role models they create be held to a higher standard.
The rules state no cursing. EJ broke the rules. $ and points are taken away. Some of you guys say that money is OK but points should not be effected. The folks that run NASCAR are not stupid. The fines they impose don't really impact the drivers, as they don't in any pro sport. But damn, take away championship points and participants will take notice.
Someone compared showing the death of ES on TV vs. showing EJ cursing and it sure was a poor comparison. The death of a person in a dangerous sport shows the risk involved and the fallability of the men and women that participate. It's sad, but will not influence children in a negative way. Showing a widely accepted role model cursing on national TV could definitely expand childrens' vocabulary far too early.
Why all the chatter? He broke the rules and NASCAR enforced the rules. Consistently.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
The rules state no cursing. EJ broke the rules. $ and points are taken away. Some of you guys say that money is OK but points should not be effected. The folks that run NASCAR are not stupid. The fines they impose don't really impact the drivers, as they don't in any pro sport. But damn, take away championship points and participants will take notice.
Someone compared showing the death of ES on TV vs. showing EJ cursing and it sure was a poor comparison. The death of a person in a dangerous sport shows the risk involved and the fallability of the men and women that participate. It's sad, but will not influence children in a negative way. Showing a widely accepted role model cursing on national TV could definitely expand childrens' vocabulary far too early.
Why all the chatter? He broke the rules and NASCAR enforced the rules. Consistently.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
| paultg | 10-06-2004 12:20 PM |
[QUOTE=GarySheehan]
Someone compared showing the death of ES on TV vs. showing EJ cursing and it sure was a poor comparison. The death of a person in a dangerous sport shows the risk involved and the fallability of the men and women that participate. It's sad, but will not influence children in a negative way. Showing a widely accepted role model cursing on national TV could definitely expand childrens' vocabulary far too early.
Why all the chatter? He broke the rules and NASCAR enforced the rules. Consistently.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url][/QUOTE]
Exactly. Also wanted to note that the death of E.Sr. wasn't "televised". When watching the crash no one knew what had happened until the press release was available later that evening. People could speculate all they wanted that he was injured or in fact dead, but it wasn't right there in front of you on TV.
Paul G.
Someone compared showing the death of ES on TV vs. showing EJ cursing and it sure was a poor comparison. The death of a person in a dangerous sport shows the risk involved and the fallability of the men and women that participate. It's sad, but will not influence children in a negative way. Showing a widely accepted role model cursing on national TV could definitely expand childrens' vocabulary far too early.
Why all the chatter? He broke the rules and NASCAR enforced the rules. Consistently.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url][/QUOTE]
Exactly. Also wanted to note that the death of E.Sr. wasn't "televised". When watching the crash no one knew what had happened until the press release was available later that evening. People could speculate all they wanted that he was injured or in fact dead, but it wasn't right there in front of you on TV.
Paul G.
| baileypicks24 | 10-07-2004 12:07 PM |
[QUOTE=paultg]Nascar already issued the same penalty twice this year to other drivers for similar situation.
[/QUOTE]
I totally disagree. Have you heard those other drivers and why they got fined? Because they got bumped from behind, they got put into the wall, and they were angry. They cussed out of anger. Dale Jr cussed in jubilation. He shouldnt even be COMPARED to them
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I totally disagree. Have you heard those other drivers and why they got fined? Because they got bumped from behind, they got put into the wall, and they were angry. They cussed out of anger. Dale Jr cussed in jubilation. He shouldnt even be COMPARED to them
| asquaredrex | 10-07-2004 12:55 PM |
well, at least they don't do that in WRC, or [URL=http://www.aftenposten.no/english/sports/article728504.ece]Solberg would be toast[/URL]
| Rebellion | 10-07-2004 01:01 PM |
[QUOTE=baileypicks24]I totally disagree. Have you heard those other drivers and why they got fined? Because they got bumped from behind, they got put into the wall, and they were angry. They cussed out of anger. Dale Jr cussed in jubilation. He shouldnt even be COMPARED to them[/QUOTE]
sorry bailey... but NASCAR's laws don't apply to situations... they're pretty clear.
there's no reason for cussing on account of any situation be it angry or excited.
cussing is cussing... whether it's out of anger or jubiliation so of course he should be compared to them.
sorry bailey... but NASCAR's laws don't apply to situations... they're pretty clear.
there's no reason for cussing on account of any situation be it angry or excited.
cussing is cussing... whether it's out of anger or jubiliation so of course he should be compared to them.
| Calimoxo2 | 10-07-2004 01:02 PM |
[QUOTE=DILLIGAF Racing]yes it was live, no it wasn't[/QUOTE]
Maybe soon there will be a 5 second delay on NASCAR too.....I'm glad the FCC is "protecting us" from the filth that spouts from the mouths of NASCAR folk....
But it is OK to show the mutilated dead corpse of a 10 year old boy in the streets of Bagdad..... :mad:
Maybe soon there will be a 5 second delay on NASCAR too.....I'm glad the FCC is "protecting us" from the filth that spouts from the mouths of NASCAR folk....
But it is OK to show the mutilated dead corpse of a 10 year old boy in the streets of Bagdad..... :mad:
| Phat04WRX | 10-07-2004 01:31 PM |
The FCC needs to lighten up and Americans need to lighten up. a titty on TV and you get a 550,000 dollar fine?! You say $#!^ and you get deducted 25 points!? All these parents are like oh my god my son my daughter didn't have to see that I feel so offended. I was in a room full of family and kids when the famous booby came out you know what the kids did :banana: I saw a boobie! i saw a boobie! I seriously doubt any of them are scarred for life. People go ahead and bitch and whine about someone saying **** on TV. Then you step outside and hear people cussing left and right :rolleyes: come on it's reality people cuss. just because you're a role model doesn't mean you have to hide your excitement why don't you just walk behind your kids all day and cover their ears whenver someone says somthing you feel is offensive.
| Calimoxo2 | 10-07-2004 03:02 PM |
I hope the FCC will lighten up once the election has passed....since it is only expressing outrage and increased censorship to appease the religous moral [Edna Krabappel] HA [/Edna Krabappel] voter....
| GarySheehan | 10-07-2004 03:33 PM |
[QUOTE=baileypicks24]I totally disagree. Have you heard those other drivers and why they got fined? Because they got bumped from behind, they got put into the wall, and they were angry. They cussed out of anger. Dale Jr cussed in jubilation. He shouldnt even be COMPARED to them[/QUOTE]
:huh:
So it's OK for the kiddies to curse when they're jubilant...
"Oh, $HIT! This is the coolest gift ever! Yellow Mega-Mega man is the cat's A$$!"
versus when their pissed off...
"Oh $HIT! Jimmy just ate my paste. That was MY paste! I'm going to kick his A$$!"
Yeah, that makes sense to me. :rolleyes:
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
:huh:
So it's OK for the kiddies to curse when they're jubilant...
"Oh, $HIT! This is the coolest gift ever! Yellow Mega-Mega man is the cat's A$$!"
versus when their pissed off...
"Oh $HIT! Jimmy just ate my paste. That was MY paste! I'm going to kick his A$$!"
Yeah, that makes sense to me. :rolleyes:
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
| GarySheehan | 10-07-2004 03:43 PM |
[QUOTE=Phat04WRX]The FCC needs to lighten up and Americans need to lighten up. a titty on TV and you get a 550,000 dollar fine?! You say $#!^ and you get deducted 25 points!? All these parents are like oh my god my son my daughter didn't have to see that I feel so offended.[/QUOTE]
Parents should have a CHOICE in how they raise their children. The rules as they are today are that nudity and foul language isn't allowed on network television, especially during daytime when families are watching. The crap that Janet Jackson pulled and the language that EJ used take that choice away from parents.
Is it so friggin' [B]terrible[/B] to take the moral highground with some of the most watched family oriented TV programming in the country?!
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
Parents should have a CHOICE in how they raise their children. The rules as they are today are that nudity and foul language isn't allowed on network television, especially during daytime when families are watching. The crap that Janet Jackson pulled and the language that EJ used take that choice away from parents.
Is it so friggin' [B]terrible[/B] to take the moral highground with some of the most watched family oriented TV programming in the country?!
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
| Phat04WRX | 10-07-2004 04:44 PM |
[QUOTE=GarySheehan]Parents should have a CHOICE in how they raise their children. The rules as they are today are that nudity and foul language isn't allowed on network television, especially during daytime when families are watching. The crap that Janet Jackson pulled and the language that EJ used take that choice away from parents.
Is it so friggin' [B]terrible[/B] to take the moral highground with some of the most watched family oriented TV programming in the country?!
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url][/QUOTE]
aaawww poor parents I'm sure that because of these two occurences the next generation is going to be a fouled mouthed nudist community. Instead of complaining about this why don't you use this as an example to teach your kid a good lesson. You don't live in a perfect world sorry to inform you of this, you have to learn to roll with the punches baby and make the best you can out of situations. My nephews and nieces know that the flashing is wrong and they know that they shouldn't cuss even though adults do... they didn't learn about this by us putting blindfolds over their eyes and earplugs in their ears they know because we take the time to teach them what's wrong and what's right. Don't use the excuse that kids will do what they see on tv. I grew up watching Elmer Fudd shoot Daffy Duck in the face and I thought it was funny, I didn't go around shooting people or ducks in the face. I grew up in gang infested neighborhoods I witnessed a murder when I was 5 years old. Guess what? my dad took me and had a long talk with me about what happened why it happened and why it was wrong and I understood. Not saying you're a bad parent because i don't know if you are a parent at all. But with kids you have to explain why people do the things they do and whether their right or wrong. Don't hide them from the real world explain it to them.
Is it so friggin' [B]terrible[/B] to take the moral highground with some of the most watched family oriented TV programming in the country?!
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url][/QUOTE]
aaawww poor parents I'm sure that because of these two occurences the next generation is going to be a fouled mouthed nudist community. Instead of complaining about this why don't you use this as an example to teach your kid a good lesson. You don't live in a perfect world sorry to inform you of this, you have to learn to roll with the punches baby and make the best you can out of situations. My nephews and nieces know that the flashing is wrong and they know that they shouldn't cuss even though adults do... they didn't learn about this by us putting blindfolds over their eyes and earplugs in their ears they know because we take the time to teach them what's wrong and what's right. Don't use the excuse that kids will do what they see on tv. I grew up watching Elmer Fudd shoot Daffy Duck in the face and I thought it was funny, I didn't go around shooting people or ducks in the face. I grew up in gang infested neighborhoods I witnessed a murder when I was 5 years old. Guess what? my dad took me and had a long talk with me about what happened why it happened and why it was wrong and I understood. Not saying you're a bad parent because i don't know if you are a parent at all. But with kids you have to explain why people do the things they do and whether their right or wrong. Don't hide them from the real world explain it to them.
| GarySheehan | 10-07-2004 06:04 PM |
[QUOTE=Phat04WRX]aaawww poor parents I'm sure that because of these two occurences the next generation is going to be a fouled mouthed nudist community.[/QUOTE]
No, and I never said that it would. But it will have an impact on individuals if every single TV show that they watch at an early age has foul language.
[QUOTE=Phat04WRX]Instead of complaining about this why don't you use this as an example to teach your kid a good lesson.[/QUOTE]
Of course parents have the responsibility to explain negative things to their children, but limiting the amount of garbage that gets to the kids at an early age is a good thing.
[QUOTE=Phat04WRX]You don't live in a perfect world sorry to inform you of this[/QUOTE]
Gee, thanks for letting me know this. In my moronic head I thought this was Utopia. I appreciate your taking the time to open my eyes.
[QUOTE=Phat04WRX]you have to learn to roll with the punches baby and make the best you can out of situations.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely. But why not attempt to limit the number of unwanted situations?
[QUOTE=Phat04WRX]My nephews and nieces know that the flashing is wrong and they know that they shouldn't cuss even though adults do... they didn't learn about this by us putting blindfolds over their eyes and earplugs in their ears they know because we take the time to teach them what's wrong and what's right.[/Quote]
So you seriously believe that an impressionable child's hero has no influence on their behavior?!
[QUOTE=Phat04WRX]Don't use the excuse that kids will do what they see on tv. I grew up watching Elmer Fudd shoot Daffy Duck in the face and I thought it was funny, I didn't go around shooting people or ducks in the face..[/QUOTE]
Well, that's great. Most children can tell the difference between a cartoon and a real person. Good for you.
[QUOTE=Phat04WRX]I grew up in gang infested neighborhoods I witnessed a murder when I was 5 years old. Guess what? my dad took me and had a long talk with me about what happened why it happened and why it was wrong and I understood.[/QUOTE]
So it should be OK for all 5 year olds to witness a murder? Don't you think your father would have preferred it if you didn't have to see it at all?
[QUOTE=Phat04WRX]Not saying you're a bad parent because i don't know if you are a parent at all. But with kids you have to explain why people do the things they do and whether their right or wrong. Don't hide them from the real world explain it to them.[/QUOTE]
There is a huge difference between a parent explaining things to their kids that have already happened vs. a sport that is trying to offer a clean viewing experience to the families that are watching it. NASCAR uses it's family values as a marketing tool to attract customers. So does Disney. Do you think Disney would be the same if someone inserted a frame of a great big penis a la Fight Club? Why not? The parents should be able to just explain it away and should be perfectly willing to bring their kids to the next Disney movie, anticipating another shocker.
What you are saying is that no one needs to take responsibility for the well being of society as a whole other than the parents. I disagree as I think we all have the responsibility. Which is why I try not to use foul language in front of children among other things. What's wrong with a little shelter for the impressionable?
I am confused at all the negativity being displayed regarding NASCAR taking the moral high ground here. And I'm not even a NASCAR fan!
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
No, and I never said that it would. But it will have an impact on individuals if every single TV show that they watch at an early age has foul language.
[QUOTE=Phat04WRX]Instead of complaining about this why don't you use this as an example to teach your kid a good lesson.[/QUOTE]
Of course parents have the responsibility to explain negative things to their children, but limiting the amount of garbage that gets to the kids at an early age is a good thing.
[QUOTE=Phat04WRX]You don't live in a perfect world sorry to inform you of this[/QUOTE]
Gee, thanks for letting me know this. In my moronic head I thought this was Utopia. I appreciate your taking the time to open my eyes.
[QUOTE=Phat04WRX]you have to learn to roll with the punches baby and make the best you can out of situations.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely. But why not attempt to limit the number of unwanted situations?
[QUOTE=Phat04WRX]My nephews and nieces know that the flashing is wrong and they know that they shouldn't cuss even though adults do... they didn't learn about this by us putting blindfolds over their eyes and earplugs in their ears they know because we take the time to teach them what's wrong and what's right.[/Quote]
So you seriously believe that an impressionable child's hero has no influence on their behavior?!
[QUOTE=Phat04WRX]Don't use the excuse that kids will do what they see on tv. I grew up watching Elmer Fudd shoot Daffy Duck in the face and I thought it was funny, I didn't go around shooting people or ducks in the face..[/QUOTE]
Well, that's great. Most children can tell the difference between a cartoon and a real person. Good for you.
[QUOTE=Phat04WRX]I grew up in gang infested neighborhoods I witnessed a murder when I was 5 years old. Guess what? my dad took me and had a long talk with me about what happened why it happened and why it was wrong and I understood.[/QUOTE]
So it should be OK for all 5 year olds to witness a murder? Don't you think your father would have preferred it if you didn't have to see it at all?
[QUOTE=Phat04WRX]Not saying you're a bad parent because i don't know if you are a parent at all. But with kids you have to explain why people do the things they do and whether their right or wrong. Don't hide them from the real world explain it to them.[/QUOTE]
There is a huge difference between a parent explaining things to their kids that have already happened vs. a sport that is trying to offer a clean viewing experience to the families that are watching it. NASCAR uses it's family values as a marketing tool to attract customers. So does Disney. Do you think Disney would be the same if someone inserted a frame of a great big penis a la Fight Club? Why not? The parents should be able to just explain it away and should be perfectly willing to bring their kids to the next Disney movie, anticipating another shocker.
What you are saying is that no one needs to take responsibility for the well being of society as a whole other than the parents. I disagree as I think we all have the responsibility. Which is why I try not to use foul language in front of children among other things. What's wrong with a little shelter for the impressionable?
I am confused at all the negativity being displayed regarding NASCAR taking the moral high ground here. And I'm not even a NASCAR fan!
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
| ExitVisa | 10-07-2004 06:28 PM |
I don't believe NASCAR is 'taking the moral high ground'. NASCAR is a business, and the leaders apparently believe that if their product gains a reputation for allowing bad language the cash flow will suffer. Drivers cursing where the customers can hear them is viewed as a threat to the profit margin so they're punished for doing so.
| Phat04WRX | 10-07-2004 08:37 PM |
[QUOTE=GarySheehan]No, and I never said that it would.
But it will have an impact on individuals if every single TV
show that they watch at an early age has foul language.[/QUOTE]
not every show has foul language. Like I said roll with the punches when situations come up.
[QUOTE]Of course parents have the responsibility to explain
negative things to their children, but limiting the amount of
garbage that gets to the kids at an early age is a good thing.[/QUOTE]
You got this right you CAN limit thnigs but things like a tit on TV happen deal with it ever heard of freedom of expression. Just because the FCC says it isn't right doesn't mean they're right. Countries all over the world show nudity and allow cussing on TV and a lot of these countries have lower crime rates than we do.
[QUOTE]Gee, thanks for letting me know this. In my moronic head
I thought this was Utopia. I appreciate your taking the time to
open my eyes.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry that you've realized that your a moron but it's better to know now than later so you can live life to the fullest. and remember you said you were a moron not me. :devil:
[QUOTE]Absolutely. But why not attempt to limit the number of
unwanted situations?
[/QUOTE]
You can attempt... what I'm saying is you can't stop them all and when they occur deal with them. I'm tired of people whining (sp?) about this type of BS but hey you're allowed to because in this great country of ours you're allowed to whine and I have to deal with it. It's called freedom.
[QUOTE]So you seriously believe that an impressionable
child's hero has no influence on their behavior?![/QUOTE]
Yes it does. And it's your responsibility as a parent to show them that their "hero" is human and can cuss, flash, slam plastic beer bottles in front of people and it doesn't mean that it's right. You've got to be kidding me :confused: my son knows that what Janet did was wrong my kid knows he shouldn't cuss my kid said, "that's bad right dad?" when a certain Dodger player slammed a beer bottle in front of fans and he's barely 4. Do you honestly think a bad situation will never happen on tv again? Teach kids what's right and wrong.
[QUOTE]Well, that's great. Most children can tell the difference
between a cartoon and a real person. Good for you.[/QUOTE]
OK since that's the best you can come up with. Here's a better example I also saw Rambo, Terminator, Dirty Harry, Death Wish movies all violent. I still didn't go around shooting people. Why you may ask??? I mean all of these guys were my "heroes". I'll tell you why because I was taught that violence is wrong and should only be used as an absolute last resort.
[QUOTE]So it should be OK for all 5 year olds to witness a murder?
Don't you think your father would have preferred it if you didn't
have to see it at all?[/QUOTE]
No it's not ok I wouldn't want any kid or adult for that matter to have to witness a violent murder. And I'm sure my dad would have rathered I didn't see it but it's reality, F'ed up things happen in life you can't control everything. When something bad or questionable happens EXPLAIN why it happened and why it's right or wrong.
[QUOTE]There is a huge difference between a parent explaining things to their kids that have already happened vs. a sport that is trying to offer a clean viewing experience to the families that are watching it. NASCAR uses it's family values as a marketing tool to attract customers. So does Disney. Do you think Disney would be the same if someone inserted a frame of a great big penis a la Fight Club? Why not? The parents should be able to just explain it away and should be perfectly willing to bring their kids to the next Disney movie, anticipating another shocker.[/QUOTE]
A clean viewing experience? Car crashes? driving at insane speeds? bumping people out of the way and causing accidents to get ahead? Fights in the pit lanes by angry drivers? But this is all ok huh? I think all this is worse than saying S#!^ out of excitement. Do your kids know that speeding is wrong? do they know they're not supposed to play bumper cars on the highway? Do they know they're not supposed to fight with other drivers? how come you can explain and justify this to them but you can't teach them that cussing is wrong?
[QUOTE]What you are saying is that no one needs to take responsibility for the well being of society as a whole other than the parents. I disagree as I think we all have the responsibility. Which is why I try not to use foul language in front of children among other things. What's wrong with a little shelter for the impressionable?[/QUOTE]
DAMN! you burned yourself on this one :banana: you said, "Which is why I TRY not to use foul language in front of children among other things". That's right you TRY but guess what you're human and sometimes things slip. It's ok for you to TRY in front of children but Earnhardt Jr. can't slip up? That's hypocritical in my book buddy. We do all have the responsibility, but as a parent you have the BIGGEST responsibility. Nothing wrong with a little sheltering your kid but don't lock him\her up in the closet.
But it will have an impact on individuals if every single TV
show that they watch at an early age has foul language.[/QUOTE]
not every show has foul language. Like I said roll with the punches when situations come up.
[QUOTE]Of course parents have the responsibility to explain
negative things to their children, but limiting the amount of
garbage that gets to the kids at an early age is a good thing.[/QUOTE]
You got this right you CAN limit thnigs but things like a tit on TV happen deal with it ever heard of freedom of expression. Just because the FCC says it isn't right doesn't mean they're right. Countries all over the world show nudity and allow cussing on TV and a lot of these countries have lower crime rates than we do.
[QUOTE]Gee, thanks for letting me know this. In my moronic head
I thought this was Utopia. I appreciate your taking the time to
open my eyes.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry that you've realized that your a moron but it's better to know now than later so you can live life to the fullest. and remember you said you were a moron not me. :devil:
[QUOTE]Absolutely. But why not attempt to limit the number of
unwanted situations?
[/QUOTE]
You can attempt... what I'm saying is you can't stop them all and when they occur deal with them. I'm tired of people whining (sp?) about this type of BS but hey you're allowed to because in this great country of ours you're allowed to whine and I have to deal with it. It's called freedom.
[QUOTE]So you seriously believe that an impressionable
child's hero has no influence on their behavior?![/QUOTE]
Yes it does. And it's your responsibility as a parent to show them that their "hero" is human and can cuss, flash, slam plastic beer bottles in front of people and it doesn't mean that it's right. You've got to be kidding me :confused: my son knows that what Janet did was wrong my kid knows he shouldn't cuss my kid said, "that's bad right dad?" when a certain Dodger player slammed a beer bottle in front of fans and he's barely 4. Do you honestly think a bad situation will never happen on tv again? Teach kids what's right and wrong.
[QUOTE]Well, that's great. Most children can tell the difference
between a cartoon and a real person. Good for you.[/QUOTE]
OK since that's the best you can come up with. Here's a better example I also saw Rambo, Terminator, Dirty Harry, Death Wish movies all violent. I still didn't go around shooting people. Why you may ask??? I mean all of these guys were my "heroes". I'll tell you why because I was taught that violence is wrong and should only be used as an absolute last resort.
[QUOTE]So it should be OK for all 5 year olds to witness a murder?
Don't you think your father would have preferred it if you didn't
have to see it at all?[/QUOTE]
No it's not ok I wouldn't want any kid or adult for that matter to have to witness a violent murder. And I'm sure my dad would have rathered I didn't see it but it's reality, F'ed up things happen in life you can't control everything. When something bad or questionable happens EXPLAIN why it happened and why it's right or wrong.
[QUOTE]There is a huge difference between a parent explaining things to their kids that have already happened vs. a sport that is trying to offer a clean viewing experience to the families that are watching it. NASCAR uses it's family values as a marketing tool to attract customers. So does Disney. Do you think Disney would be the same if someone inserted a frame of a great big penis a la Fight Club? Why not? The parents should be able to just explain it away and should be perfectly willing to bring their kids to the next Disney movie, anticipating another shocker.[/QUOTE]
A clean viewing experience? Car crashes? driving at insane speeds? bumping people out of the way and causing accidents to get ahead? Fights in the pit lanes by angry drivers? But this is all ok huh? I think all this is worse than saying S#!^ out of excitement. Do your kids know that speeding is wrong? do they know they're not supposed to play bumper cars on the highway? Do they know they're not supposed to fight with other drivers? how come you can explain and justify this to them but you can't teach them that cussing is wrong?
[QUOTE]What you are saying is that no one needs to take responsibility for the well being of society as a whole other than the parents. I disagree as I think we all have the responsibility. Which is why I try not to use foul language in front of children among other things. What's wrong with a little shelter for the impressionable?[/QUOTE]
DAMN! you burned yourself on this one :banana: you said, "Which is why I TRY not to use foul language in front of children among other things". That's right you TRY but guess what you're human and sometimes things slip. It's ok for you to TRY in front of children but Earnhardt Jr. can't slip up? That's hypocritical in my book buddy. We do all have the responsibility, but as a parent you have the BIGGEST responsibility. Nothing wrong with a little sheltering your kid but don't lock him\her up in the closet.
| finnRex | 10-08-2004 11:52 PM |
Good for NASCAR. Screw the redneck races, watch something worthwhile...Only racer worth watching at all is Jeff Gordon, who actually knows how to turn right without spinning out every lap...unlike some jabroni Jr.
A curse is a curse. Don't try to justify it. There's so many other ways of expressing your mind, and many of them include clean words. Sometimes a lack of words can express more than cursing. Does that mean going live on tv and saying nothing? No, just saying something to the likes of "I...don't know what to say...I'm speechless". Cheesy? Maybe, but at least you're not showing your classless side.
Mika
A curse is a curse. Don't try to justify it. There's so many other ways of expressing your mind, and many of them include clean words. Sometimes a lack of words can express more than cursing. Does that mean going live on tv and saying nothing? No, just saying something to the likes of "I...don't know what to say...I'm speechless". Cheesy? Maybe, but at least you're not showing your classless side.
Mika
| artkevin | 10-09-2004 04:45 AM |
Tony Stewart and Little E. can spin the wheel in the other direction too.
| Kuro | 10-09-2004 05:26 AM |
At first, I thought this was someone getting owned with NASIOC warning points hahaha.
| Davenow | 10-09-2004 06:13 AM |
Nextel could screw up a wet dream.
I cant wait for their competition to get PTT right.
I cant wait for their competition to get PTT right.
| mw1029h | 10-09-2004 07:25 AM |
Boy, you guys crack me up :lol: . You Gary and Phat are both right in your opinions. As far as Nextel Cup goes,they apparently laid down the rules and "E" has to accept the consequences period. Maybe since human emotions can't be regulated, they will have the five second time lag after the races to prevent such accidental acts during interviews. BTW I only watch NASCAR when they road race :D .
that is all
that is all
| mw1029h | 10-09-2004 07:30 AM |
[QUOTE=Davenow]Nextel could screw up a wet dream.
I cant wait for their competition to get PTT right.[/QUOTE]You had a computer in 1973 that thing must have been really BIG how did you get it in your house. :lol: Were there noobs back then :confused:
I cant wait for their competition to get PTT right.[/QUOTE]You had a computer in 1973 that thing must have been really BIG how did you get it in your house. :lol: Were there noobs back then :confused:
| johnfelstead | 10-09-2004 10:03 AM |
:lol: at this thread.
| bknblk | 10-09-2004 10:51 PM |
The solution to all this mess just dawned on me....
Bowties.
No, not more chevys, bowties. Make all the drivers wear bowties. and maybe they should have a spot of tea and some crummpets at the finish line. Then they should all line up, shake hands and bow, nod and say "good race.".
Makes as much sense as possibly costing a driver (and team) a multi-million dollar championship for saying sh-- on TV. I watched the Presidential debates last night and heard all kinds of sh-- on TV. Much more offensive to me, someone should have protected me from that filth!!! :devil: :eek: :furious:
Bowties.
No, not more chevys, bowties. Make all the drivers wear bowties. and maybe they should have a spot of tea and some crummpets at the finish line. Then they should all line up, shake hands and bow, nod and say "good race.".
Makes as much sense as possibly costing a driver (and team) a multi-million dollar championship for saying sh-- on TV. I watched the Presidential debates last night and heard all kinds of sh-- on TV. Much more offensive to me, someone should have protected me from that filth!!! :devil: :eek: :furious:
| Opie | 10-10-2004 04:29 PM |
Glad to see that the Motorsports forum still has little if anything to do with Motorsports and that there are more elitists than enthusiasts that reside here...
| Seeing StaRS | 10-10-2004 08:53 PM |
Heh sounds like just another twist in the story line of "As the Nascar Turns". You gotta keep the rednecks all worked up with some drama here and there to keep everyone talking about the "sport" lol. I think they levied the fine on him only to help juice up the grand finale of the "points chase". Just think, a few weeks ago everywhere I looked it was people upset about Tony Stewart. (God how do I pick this stuff up?) Its sheer marketing and one should only look as far as WWF to see that this is a male gasoline burning soap opera.
| BriDrive | 10-11-2004 01:48 PM |
I think its clear to see by their comments ( Gary S. & Phat04 ) that they are both indeed influenced by how we all percieve things.
Gary makes a stronger point because its clear to me that Phat04 states that he saw this and he saw that and this movie and that....and guess what, in his current perception, things are just this way and its OK. Makes you wonder how Phat04 may have responded to Gary's viewpoint had he never viewed the extravagant list of violence and obscenity,etc at a youthful age.
No generalizations define anyone, and I'm not sniping at Phat04....but I think its clearly been established (in other venues of course) that we are LARGELY influenced by our environment, especially at a young age.
I wasn't allowed access to R material in any medium at a young age. Sure I knew all the bad words, knew about boobs, etc, etc....but I wouldn't think of EVER using that language when I was a kid. Why? (1) It wasn't plastered on prime-time TV shouting out loud to any one that watched it that:"...hey, see there, we, the US society, think this is perfectly normal and exceptable...." (2) If I did throw the words around, severe consequences from my parents, teachers, neighbors...all of whom did not consider it perfectly normal in my childhood era....
What's wrong with "SH$T" on prime time telly: IMHO, a certain lack of self respect, control and restraint, and a lack of view of the "bigger picture".
Next we'll have hero's like the president or your family doctor or a cop talking to you at home or on TV or in their office, mixing in obscenities here and there, just for effect.
"Gee golly BriDrive, that [email�protected] sonafabiatchin tumor get any bigger and I'm gonna have to....." Err....OK Doc..............
A president in the future (Democrat :) ) state of the union address: "...I have spoken to Congress, and we're gonna march in their and tear them Fuc*!%ng Basta*^s a brand new poopshooter...."
BriDrive
Gary makes a stronger point because its clear to me that Phat04 states that he saw this and he saw that and this movie and that....and guess what, in his current perception, things are just this way and its OK. Makes you wonder how Phat04 may have responded to Gary's viewpoint had he never viewed the extravagant list of violence and obscenity,etc at a youthful age.
No generalizations define anyone, and I'm not sniping at Phat04....but I think its clearly been established (in other venues of course) that we are LARGELY influenced by our environment, especially at a young age.
I wasn't allowed access to R material in any medium at a young age. Sure I knew all the bad words, knew about boobs, etc, etc....but I wouldn't think of EVER using that language when I was a kid. Why? (1) It wasn't plastered on prime-time TV shouting out loud to any one that watched it that:"...hey, see there, we, the US society, think this is perfectly normal and exceptable...." (2) If I did throw the words around, severe consequences from my parents, teachers, neighbors...all of whom did not consider it perfectly normal in my childhood era....
What's wrong with "SH$T" on prime time telly: IMHO, a certain lack of self respect, control and restraint, and a lack of view of the "bigger picture".
Next we'll have hero's like the president or your family doctor or a cop talking to you at home or on TV or in their office, mixing in obscenities here and there, just for effect.
"Gee golly BriDrive, that [email�protected] sonafabiatchin tumor get any bigger and I'm gonna have to....." Err....OK Doc..............
A president in the future (Democrat :) ) state of the union address: "...I have spoken to Congress, and we're gonna march in their and tear them Fuc*!%ng Basta*^s a brand new poopshooter...."
BriDrive
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