| AndyRoo | 07-30-2003 02:33 PM |
Speeding tickets for rally drivers
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[url]http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/07/30/britain.speeding/index.html[/url]
Should this be funny to me? cause i'm laughing.
Should this be funny to me? cause i'm laughing.
| BOY | 07-30-2003 02:43 PM |
Um, statute of limitations? Proof? I know the UK courts work similar to ours and this just seems odd.
| rallykeith | 07-30-2003 03:04 PM |
NOT FUNNY! Being caught breaking any law means an immediate disqualification from the event. That would translate into a frenzy for last years championship standings. At most us rallies the transit roads are monitored by police, and in most cases people tend to obey the limits. ALL rallies are setup to give competitors adequate time for transit unless the competitor stops to fix something. Not that it doesn't happen, but for so many to be "caught" sounds fishy to me.
Keith
Keith
| AndyRoo | 07-30-2003 03:22 PM |
Okay, thanks for clearing that up, i'll stop laughing then.
It said they got caught on video camera speeding things. I can't imagine living with those things on the 30 mph backroads near my house. But i suppose if i faced disqualification i would be sure to stay under the limit.
There must have been some fault with the organisers if 20 drivers got caught speeding.
It said they got caught on video camera speeding things. I can't imagine living with those things on the 30 mph backroads near my house. But i suppose if i faced disqualification i would be sure to stay under the limit.
There must have been some fault with the organisers if 20 drivers got caught speeding.
| johnfelstead | 07-30-2003 03:30 PM |
better article [URL=http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-761319,00.html]here[/URL]
Welcome to the UK and Rally GB cash generating policing.
Welcome to the UK and Rally GB cash generating policing.
| johnfelstead | 07-30-2003 03:31 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by rallykeith [/i]
[B]NOT FUNNY! Being caught breaking any law means an immediate disqualification from the event. [/B][/QUOTE]
Not on FIA or MSA events.
[B]NOT FUNNY! Being caught breaking any law means an immediate disqualification from the event. [/B][/QUOTE]
Not on FIA or MSA events.
| BOY | 07-30-2003 03:34 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B]better article [URL=http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-761319,00.html]here[/URL]
Welcome to the UK and Rally GB cash generating policing. [/B][/QUOTE]
John, the link you provided is pw protected. Looks like the FIA needs to rethink rally GB... that should get some heads turning. So, instead of GB, anyone for ROTW taking its place?
[SIZE=1]*pipe dream to get a WRC event in the States... not just in NA[/SIZE]
[B]better article [URL=http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-761319,00.html]here[/URL]
Welcome to the UK and Rally GB cash generating policing. [/B][/QUOTE]
John, the link you provided is pw protected. Looks like the FIA needs to rethink rally GB... that should get some heads turning. So, instead of GB, anyone for ROTW taking its place?
[SIZE=1]*pipe dream to get a WRC event in the States... not just in NA[/SIZE]
| johnfelstead | 07-30-2003 03:34 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by BOY [/i]
[B]Um, statute of limitations? Proof? I know the UK courts work similar to ours and this just seems odd. [/B][/QUOTE]
want to bet!
The UK speeding law states you have to say who was driving the car or as teh registered owner of the car you receive a �1000 fine and 3 points on your licence. (you are banned when you acumalate 12 points).
The onus of proof is on you to prove you are inocent when it comes to speeding offences in the UK.
[B]Um, statute of limitations? Proof? I know the UK courts work similar to ours and this just seems odd. [/B][/QUOTE]
want to bet!
The UK speeding law states you have to say who was driving the car or as teh registered owner of the car you receive a �1000 fine and 3 points on your licence. (you are banned when you acumalate 12 points).
The onus of proof is on you to prove you are inocent when it comes to speeding offences in the UK.
| johnfelstead | 07-30-2003 03:36 PM |
Times article
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How speed could drive rally champions off road
By Simon de Bruxelles
SETTING up mobile speed cameras at the Rally of Great Britain looked an unbeatable way for South Wales police to up its conviction rate.
With thousands of fans expected to attend, it was assumed that a good few would be caught trying to emulate their heroes� high-speed antics.
What the force had not counted on, however, was catching 20 of the world�s top rally drivers as they dashed between the event�s different stages on public roads.
Among the drivers alleged to have exceeded the limit, and who could face disqualification, were several former world champions, including Britain�s Colin McRae, 34, and Richard Burns, 32.
Burns who lives in Andorra and was reigning world champion when he took part in last year�s rally, was accused of breaking the speed limit five times in his Peugeot. The other accused included the Finnish driver, Tommi Makinen, 39, who has been world champion four times, the Spaniard, Carlos Sainz, 42, twice world champion, the German Armin Schwarz, 40, who is based in Monte Carlo and is a former European champion, and the Estonian, Markko Martin, 26, who finished second in last year�s Great Britain rally.
The Belgian Freddy Loix, 32, is facing the most charges. He is accused of breaking the 30mph limit seven times on the same day.
Only Schwarz pleaded guilty to speeding, admitting five charges of breaking the limit. His case was adjourned until November 10. Neath magistrates agreed that the other drivers could spend the first rest day of this year�s event pleading to be allowed to keep their licences. Paul Trotman, a solicitor who is representing the other 19 racers, said that most intended to plead guilty.
The drivers were among 138 who took part in the British leg of the World Rally Championship. A spokesman for rally sport�s governing body, the Federation Internationale de l�Automobile, said that a driving ban would not be enough to disqualify a driver from the competition. However, a banned driver would not be able to drive himself on public roads between stages.
By Simon de Bruxelles
SETTING up mobile speed cameras at the Rally of Great Britain looked an unbeatable way for South Wales police to up its conviction rate.
With thousands of fans expected to attend, it was assumed that a good few would be caught trying to emulate their heroes� high-speed antics.
What the force had not counted on, however, was catching 20 of the world�s top rally drivers as they dashed between the event�s different stages on public roads.
Among the drivers alleged to have exceeded the limit, and who could face disqualification, were several former world champions, including Britain�s Colin McRae, 34, and Richard Burns, 32.
Burns who lives in Andorra and was reigning world champion when he took part in last year�s rally, was accused of breaking the speed limit five times in his Peugeot. The other accused included the Finnish driver, Tommi Makinen, 39, who has been world champion four times, the Spaniard, Carlos Sainz, 42, twice world champion, the German Armin Schwarz, 40, who is based in Monte Carlo and is a former European champion, and the Estonian, Markko Martin, 26, who finished second in last year�s Great Britain rally.
The Belgian Freddy Loix, 32, is facing the most charges. He is accused of breaking the 30mph limit seven times on the same day.
Only Schwarz pleaded guilty to speeding, admitting five charges of breaking the limit. His case was adjourned until November 10. Neath magistrates agreed that the other drivers could spend the first rest day of this year�s event pleading to be allowed to keep their licences. Paul Trotman, a solicitor who is representing the other 19 racers, said that most intended to plead guilty.
The drivers were among 138 who took part in the British leg of the World Rally Championship. A spokesman for rally sport�s governing body, the Federation Internationale de l�Automobile, said that a driving ban would not be enough to disqualify a driver from the competition. However, a banned driver would not be able to drive himself on public roads between stages.
| johnfelstead | 07-30-2003 03:44 PM |
p.s i knew this was coming, someone posted on scoobynet that Carlos was going to recieve a court summons, he works in neath post office, so scoobynet knew before Carlos he was about to be done. :lol:
| BOY | 07-30-2003 04:01 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B]
want to bet!
The UK speeding law states you have to say who was driving the car or as teh registered owner of the car you receive a �1000 fine and 3 points on your licence. (you are banned when you acumalate 12 points).
The onus of proof is on you to prove you are inocent when it comes to speeding offences in the UK. [/B][/QUOTE]
This is (for lack of a better descriptive) RETARDED! Seriously, this is the entire WRC class (less one Grp N guy who broke the top 20)! The drivers are required to drive the cars between stages and if their licences are revoked then the rally becomes a GrpN event.
First you tax our tea, now this :huh:
[B]
want to bet!
The UK speeding law states you have to say who was driving the car or as teh registered owner of the car you receive a �1000 fine and 3 points on your licence. (you are banned when you acumalate 12 points).
The onus of proof is on you to prove you are inocent when it comes to speeding offences in the UK. [/B][/QUOTE]
This is (for lack of a better descriptive) RETARDED! Seriously, this is the entire WRC class (less one Grp N guy who broke the top 20)! The drivers are required to drive the cars between stages and if their licences are revoked then the rally becomes a GrpN event.
First you tax our tea, now this :huh:
| johnfelstead | 07-30-2003 04:26 PM |
It's going to be musical chairs after and before each stage, as the co-drivers will have to drive on the road sections. :lol:
Only the brits will recieve bans as you cant ban someone with a foreign licence, just fine them.
Only the brits will recieve bans as you cant ban someone with a foreign licence, just fine them.
| CosmoTheCat | 07-30-2003 06:04 PM |
I for one am glad they got nailed. Just because they're the top rally drivers does not give them license to endanger others by speeding on the public streets. They're given ample time to transit, barring unforseeable circumstances, and they should just follow the rules. Perhaps now they'll think twice before extending the special stages onto the transit.
| JewPac42 | 07-30-2003 06:38 PM |
Before I make my judgement about whether or not this is good, the british government is withholding valuable information. How much faster were they going then the speed limit? Was it 5-10 MPH or was it 20+. If it was 5-10 it shouldnt be that big of a deal, and they should not be summoned to court or fined, 90% of people on the road speed by that much. If it was over 20, then I agree with the government that they should get a ticket and be fined but 7 tickets? Come on, one is enough, 7 tickets is just rediculous. Give them one to prove your point this time, then if they do it again do as you please.
| WRXedUSA | 07-30-2003 06:43 PM |
That picture is Makinen by the way. Remember he busted his winshield when hitting a branch?
Yeah, i agree, there is a lot more to this story. Someone is holding some key information.
Yeah, i agree, there is a lot more to this story. Someone is holding some key information.
| SubaruRules | 07-30-2003 07:19 PM |
What? This seems crazy:huh:
| johnfelstead | 07-30-2003 08:07 PM |
This is so amusing to me, you guys haven't got a clue what it's like to drive in the UK these days with speed cameras everywhere. You can be banned from driving by having one bad journey.
As usual, Horatio, you get on your high horse without knowing the realities of the situation. they only had to be doing 33MPH in a 30 to get caught and summoned. Each time you go through a camera over the limit you get a fine/endorsment, you can be banned in minutes if you go through 4 on the trot as each speeding offence is 3 points minimum, get 12 and you are instantly baned.
These cameras are hidden in the back of vans down side roads using laser that can get you at 1 mile away, on top of motorway bridges, behind trees etc etc.
During the rally, they import cameras from outside forces and try and screw everyone, it's just a big money making exercise to screw the rally visitors, it has absolutely nothing to do with road safety. They had camera vans setup on the main two lane highways to every stage, in the middle of nowhere with no population.
As usual, Horatio, you get on your high horse without knowing the realities of the situation. they only had to be doing 33MPH in a 30 to get caught and summoned. Each time you go through a camera over the limit you get a fine/endorsment, you can be banned in minutes if you go through 4 on the trot as each speeding offence is 3 points minimum, get 12 and you are instantly baned.
These cameras are hidden in the back of vans down side roads using laser that can get you at 1 mile away, on top of motorway bridges, behind trees etc etc.
During the rally, they import cameras from outside forces and try and screw everyone, it's just a big money making exercise to screw the rally visitors, it has absolutely nothing to do with road safety. They had camera vans setup on the main two lane highways to every stage, in the middle of nowhere with no population.
| obyone | 07-30-2003 08:15 PM |
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| nate49509 | 07-30-2003 10:35 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by horatio102 [/i]
[B]I for one am glad they got nailed. Just because they're the top rally drivers does not give them license to endanger others by speeding on the public streets. They're given ample time to transit, barring unforseeable circumstances, and they should just follow the rules. Perhaps now they'll think twice before extending the special stages onto the transit. [/B][/QUOTE]
:rolleyes: Gimmie a break can't you see its all about generating revenue. Not about safety.
[B]I for one am glad they got nailed. Just because they're the top rally drivers does not give them license to endanger others by speeding on the public streets. They're given ample time to transit, barring unforseeable circumstances, and they should just follow the rules. Perhaps now they'll think twice before extending the special stages onto the transit. [/B][/QUOTE]
:rolleyes: Gimmie a break can't you see its all about generating revenue. Not about safety.
| jprowland | 07-30-2003 11:04 PM |
This is very strange. Rally drivers are usually impeccable about keeping the speed limit on transits! ;)
I listened to Howard Davies tell a story about the Coralba C-Giant (very nice rally tripmeter) and Francois Delecours (who supposedly has a reputation for "speeding like hell")...After being pulled over for doing something like 60+mph in a 40 mph zone, he denied it, "Impossible!" Then someone stopped by the car, reached over and pressed a button which brought up his AVERAGE speed of 48 mph over the past transit.
"Impossible! Must be on kilometers!" A fighter to the end ;)
--
JP Rowland jeremyrowland -at- mac.com
Co-driver, #896 Audi 4000 Quattro turbo, Open class
[url]http://homepage.mac.com/jeremyrowland[/url]
I listened to Howard Davies tell a story about the Coralba C-Giant (very nice rally tripmeter) and Francois Delecours (who supposedly has a reputation for "speeding like hell")...After being pulled over for doing something like 60+mph in a 40 mph zone, he denied it, "Impossible!" Then someone stopped by the car, reached over and pressed a button which brought up his AVERAGE speed of 48 mph over the past transit.
"Impossible! Must be on kilometers!" A fighter to the end ;)
--
JP Rowland jeremyrowland -at- mac.com
Co-driver, #896 Audi 4000 Quattro turbo, Open class
[url]http://homepage.mac.com/jeremyrowland[/url]
| jprowland | 07-30-2003 11:16 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B]During the rally, they import cameras from outside forces and try and screw everyone, it's just a big money making exercise to screw the rally visitors, it has absolutely nothing to do with road safety. They had camera vans setup on the main two lane highways to every stage, in the middle of nowhere with no population. [/B][/QUOTE]
It was also pointed out in the article that the cameras were put up to catch the fans, not the competitors. My understanding of rallying outside the US is that the local law enforcement are usually a lot quicker to look the other way, or give a "stern warning" one or two (or seven ;) ) times, with competitors.
"Given ample time to transit?" :lol: Now THAT'S a good one, I needed a good laugh to end the day :rolleyes:
Let he who has never exceeded the speed limit cast the first stone at the competitors...Considering that the drivers are probably the most skilled on the road, I doubt they're "endangering others."
--
JP Rowland jeremyrowland -at- mac.com
Co-driver, #896 Audi 4000 Quattro turbo, Open class
[url]http://homepage.mac.com/jeremyrowland[/url]
[B]During the rally, they import cameras from outside forces and try and screw everyone, it's just a big money making exercise to screw the rally visitors, it has absolutely nothing to do with road safety. They had camera vans setup on the main two lane highways to every stage, in the middle of nowhere with no population. [/B][/QUOTE]
It was also pointed out in the article that the cameras were put up to catch the fans, not the competitors. My understanding of rallying outside the US is that the local law enforcement are usually a lot quicker to look the other way, or give a "stern warning" one or two (or seven ;) ) times, with competitors.
"Given ample time to transit?" :lol: Now THAT'S a good one, I needed a good laugh to end the day :rolleyes:
Let he who has never exceeded the speed limit cast the first stone at the competitors...Considering that the drivers are probably the most skilled on the road, I doubt they're "endangering others."
--
JP Rowland jeremyrowland -at- mac.com
Co-driver, #896 Audi 4000 Quattro turbo, Open class
[url]http://homepage.mac.com/jeremyrowland[/url]
| johnfelstead | 07-31-2003 05:58 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jprowland [/i]
[B]My understanding of rallying outside the US is that the local law enforcement are usually a lot quicker to look the other way, or give a "stern warning" one or two (or seven ;) ) times, with competitors. [/B][/QUOTE]
Not in the UK, the UK is speedcamera hell now and all the police are interested in, is making money. The government changed the rules a couple of years ago, all revenue now generated by speed enforcement goes back to the police, it used to go to the local council. So now we have dick turpins in jam butties round every corner. The publics opinion of the police is nosediving rapidly due to this crazy policy.
during the rally GB 2002, 2,336 drivers were caught speeding, all have a minimum fine of �60, so that is at least �140,000 ($224,000). Next year they are drafting in extra Police to ensure foreign nationals get screwed over too! [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2500121.stm[/url]
Note they call these things Safety Camera's.
[B]My understanding of rallying outside the US is that the local law enforcement are usually a lot quicker to look the other way, or give a "stern warning" one or two (or seven ;) ) times, with competitors. [/B][/QUOTE]
Not in the UK, the UK is speedcamera hell now and all the police are interested in, is making money. The government changed the rules a couple of years ago, all revenue now generated by speed enforcement goes back to the police, it used to go to the local council. So now we have dick turpins in jam butties round every corner. The publics opinion of the police is nosediving rapidly due to this crazy policy.
during the rally GB 2002, 2,336 drivers were caught speeding, all have a minimum fine of �60, so that is at least �140,000 ($224,000). Next year they are drafting in extra Police to ensure foreign nationals get screwed over too! [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2500121.stm[/url]
Note they call these things Safety Camera's.
| BOY | 07-31-2003 09:15 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B]
during the rally GB 2002, 2,336 drivers were caught speeding, all have a minimum fine of �60, so that is at least �140,000 ($224,000). Next year they are drafting in extra Police to ensure foreign nationals get screwed over too! [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2500121.stm[/url]
Note they call these things Safety Camera's. [/B][/QUOTE]
I seriously think the FIA should drop (or threaten to drop) rally GB. The increased revenue from tickets is likely nothing compared to the tourist (fan) generated revenue for the towns. I'd bet the city councils would be a bit upset if they lost the rally.
[B]
during the rally GB 2002, 2,336 drivers were caught speeding, all have a minimum fine of �60, so that is at least �140,000 ($224,000). Next year they are drafting in extra Police to ensure foreign nationals get screwed over too! [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2500121.stm[/url]
Note they call these things Safety Camera's. [/B][/QUOTE]
I seriously think the FIA should drop (or threaten to drop) rally GB. The increased revenue from tickets is likely nothing compared to the tourist (fan) generated revenue for the towns. I'd bet the city councils would be a bit upset if they lost the rally.
| AndyRoo | 07-31-2003 09:50 AM |
Seriously, I don't know what i would do if I had to drive the speed limit on backroads. Driving a reasonable speed is hard enough but the speed limit? That is impossible. Near my house there is a road with a speed limit of 30. There is long 20 degree incline leading into straight about 1/4 mile long. Driving 30 on this everyday would be impossible, and probably dangerous.
Also, I've heard the Pennsylvania Turnpike (or maybe another one) is doing something where they check the time from one toll booth to another and if your average speed is higher then the speed limit then they mail you a ticket. Not quite as bad as speed cameras but still crappy.
Speed Limits are SUGGESTIONS! :lol:
Also, I've heard the Pennsylvania Turnpike (or maybe another one) is doing something where they check the time from one toll booth to another and if your average speed is higher then the speed limit then they mail you a ticket. Not quite as bad as speed cameras but still crappy.
Speed Limits are SUGGESTIONS! :lol:
| 10th Warrior | 07-31-2003 10:53 AM |
there are several tollways around the country that do that. often the best thing to do is have your timeslip 'accidently' blow out the window. you'll have to pay the full fare, but its cheaper then a ticket ;)
speed cameras suck. the only thing that has kept them from cropping up here in numbers is that its difficult to prove who was actually driving. that's why you have to sign a ticket when you receive it from a cop. either way, traffic citations, regardless of country, are only about making money. in Missouri, municipalitis are limited to having 40% of their revenue come from traffic tickets. some have been busted for doing some creative accounting to make that 40% cutoff :rolleyes:
rally organizers need to figure out how to improve their relationship with the police. that is just not good. when 100 Acre Wood started again, local governements were happy to have us and left us alone, but the state patrol was all over the place. not any more. its amazing to watch politics at work :rolleyes: the Rally GB is obviously a different kettle of fish though.
speed cameras suck. the only thing that has kept them from cropping up here in numbers is that its difficult to prove who was actually driving. that's why you have to sign a ticket when you receive it from a cop. either way, traffic citations, regardless of country, are only about making money. in Missouri, municipalitis are limited to having 40% of their revenue come from traffic tickets. some have been busted for doing some creative accounting to make that 40% cutoff :rolleyes:
rally organizers need to figure out how to improve their relationship with the police. that is just not good. when 100 Acre Wood started again, local governements were happy to have us and left us alone, but the state patrol was all over the place. not any more. its amazing to watch politics at work :rolleyes: the Rally GB is obviously a different kettle of fish though.
| CosmoTheCat | 07-31-2003 12:48 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B]As usual, Horatio, you get on your high horse without knowing the realities of the situation. they only had to be doing 33MPH in a 30 to get caught and summoned. [/B][/QUOTE]
:rolleyes:
Whatever John. What are the realities? Were they speeding? Yes? I assume that since you said they only have to be going 33 in a 30 (10% over) to get summoned, and that the drivers were caught and summoned, that the drivers were in fact speeding.
Money making scheme on the part of the police or not, they were caught.
And being rally drivers they ought to be paying attention to their speeds a little better, since they have so much skill and all. Especially if they know what the consequences are.
The rally cars it would seem should have a lot more accurate speedometers and odometers, since many of them are factory cars with near unlimited budgets, and they'd want the odo to be accurate for the notes on stage. :rolleyes:
So what's the excuse? Sounds like a bunch of spoiled superstars who got used to making a mockery of the law, and now the law isn't turning a blind eye anymore.
[quote]
Let he who has never exceeded the speed limit cast the first stone at the competitors...Considering that the drivers are probably the most skilled on the road, I doubt they're "endangering others."[/quote]
Most skilled or not, accidents happen and people die. Have you already forgotten Possum? And why do you elevate the competitors to such a holy state? They're regular people who happen to be good at driving. When I get caught speeding, I take my medicine. Why should the rally drivers not?
If there is not enough time to transit from the end of one stage to the beginning of another, why is it that the FIA expects the drivers to make a certain distance [i]at the speed limit[/i] in a given time? Seems silly to me.
You guys are looking at the situation the wrong way. We should expect MORE from the top drivers in the world, not turn a blind eye and let them get away with whatever they want. They should be setting examples for the spectators - if the rally cars can go ripping through town without repercussion, why shouldn't the fans be able to? If the rally cars were to obey all posted limits, perhaps the fans might follow suit (it's a longshot though). People do like to emulate their heros.
If they can make speed limiters for NASCAR so the cars don't speed on pit road, you'd think they could do the same thing for rally. Before the transit (and every speed change in it) have the co-driver type in the max speed allowed.
Let me step off my soap box and hop back on my high horse now. ;)
[B]As usual, Horatio, you get on your high horse without knowing the realities of the situation. they only had to be doing 33MPH in a 30 to get caught and summoned. [/B][/QUOTE]
:rolleyes:
Whatever John. What are the realities? Were they speeding? Yes? I assume that since you said they only have to be going 33 in a 30 (10% over) to get summoned, and that the drivers were caught and summoned, that the drivers were in fact speeding.
Money making scheme on the part of the police or not, they were caught.
And being rally drivers they ought to be paying attention to their speeds a little better, since they have so much skill and all. Especially if they know what the consequences are.
The rally cars it would seem should have a lot more accurate speedometers and odometers, since many of them are factory cars with near unlimited budgets, and they'd want the odo to be accurate for the notes on stage. :rolleyes:
So what's the excuse? Sounds like a bunch of spoiled superstars who got used to making a mockery of the law, and now the law isn't turning a blind eye anymore.
[quote]
Let he who has never exceeded the speed limit cast the first stone at the competitors...Considering that the drivers are probably the most skilled on the road, I doubt they're "endangering others."[/quote]
Most skilled or not, accidents happen and people die. Have you already forgotten Possum? And why do you elevate the competitors to such a holy state? They're regular people who happen to be good at driving. When I get caught speeding, I take my medicine. Why should the rally drivers not?
If there is not enough time to transit from the end of one stage to the beginning of another, why is it that the FIA expects the drivers to make a certain distance [i]at the speed limit[/i] in a given time? Seems silly to me.
You guys are looking at the situation the wrong way. We should expect MORE from the top drivers in the world, not turn a blind eye and let them get away with whatever they want. They should be setting examples for the spectators - if the rally cars can go ripping through town without repercussion, why shouldn't the fans be able to? If the rally cars were to obey all posted limits, perhaps the fans might follow suit (it's a longshot though). People do like to emulate their heros.
If they can make speed limiters for NASCAR so the cars don't speed on pit road, you'd think they could do the same thing for rally. Before the transit (and every speed change in it) have the co-driver type in the max speed allowed.
Let me step off my soap box and hop back on my high horse now. ;)
| CosmoTheCat | 07-31-2003 12:54 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by nate49509 [/i]
[B]
:rolleyes: Gimmie a break can't you see its all about generating revenue. Not about safety. [/B][/QUOTE]
Even more reason for everyone, not just the rally drivers, to slow the heck down. Do the speed limit, don't get a ticket.
:rolleyes:
Freakin whiners.
Seems like every other day in OT somebody is trying to fine a way to get out of their WELL DESERVED speeding ticket. :rolleyes: Were you speeding? Yes? Then you deserved it. Were they speeding? Yes? Then they deserved it.
[B]
:rolleyes: Gimmie a break can't you see its all about generating revenue. Not about safety. [/B][/QUOTE]
Even more reason for everyone, not just the rally drivers, to slow the heck down. Do the speed limit, don't get a ticket.
:rolleyes:
Freakin whiners.
Seems like every other day in OT somebody is trying to fine a way to get out of their WELL DESERVED speeding ticket. :rolleyes: Were you speeding? Yes? Then you deserved it. Were they speeding? Yes? Then they deserved it.
| AndyRoo | 07-31-2003 02:00 PM |
First of all, going 33 in a 30 is not "making a mockery of the law." That would be the weakest mockery i've ever seen.
And its not like these drivers are ripping around the transits, passing police cars and sliding by pedestrians. If all they have to do is barely exceed the speed limit to get caught, you cant say they are doing it because they are cocky, rich, holier than thou, jerks. Have you ever gone 56 in a 55? Did you feel really special afterwards? Like as special as Burnsie?
And its not like these drivers are ripping around the transits, passing police cars and sliding by pedestrians. If all they have to do is barely exceed the speed limit to get caught, you cant say they are doing it because they are cocky, rich, holier than thou, jerks. Have you ever gone 56 in a 55? Did you feel really special afterwards? Like as special as Burnsie?
| CosmoTheCat | 07-31-2003 02:42 PM |
Yeah. Like I said. I speed. When I get caught, I pay the price. I recently got my first ticket in [b]9 years[/b]. 81 is a 60. I'm not innocent at all. But I'm not whining about it. Nor was I in any danger of losing my license. If I were, I certainly wouldn't have been going so fast. Did I pay the ticket? No, I showed up in court and got a deferral, paid the $100, and went about my business.
33 in a 30 is 10% over. Big deal.
35 in a 30 is ~17% over. Again most would say big deal.
40 in a 30? Where do we draw the line?
But here's what you're not getting.
It seems to be a well known fact that the police ramp up the speed enforcement during rally weekends. SO WHY SPEED? In the past the drivers have gotten away with speeding. So they show blatant disregard for the speed traps and law enforcement, and this time they got nailed.
What [i]I[/i] don't get is why everybody is so frazzled about it.
'Oh no! My heros broke the law and got caught! They might actually have to suffer the same consequences as the rest of us! Those DUMB COPS!'
:rolleyes:
33 in a 30 is 10% over. Big deal.
35 in a 30 is ~17% over. Again most would say big deal.
40 in a 30? Where do we draw the line?
But here's what you're not getting.
It seems to be a well known fact that the police ramp up the speed enforcement during rally weekends. SO WHY SPEED? In the past the drivers have gotten away with speeding. So they show blatant disregard for the speed traps and law enforcement, and this time they got nailed.
What [i]I[/i] don't get is why everybody is so frazzled about it.
'Oh no! My heros broke the law and got caught! They might actually have to suffer the same consequences as the rest of us! Those DUMB COPS!'
:rolleyes:
| CosmoTheCat | 07-31-2003 02:48 PM |
PS. 33 is the number John gave for what it takes to get cited in a 30 zone. Does anybody actually know what speeds they were driving, and what the speed limits were in those zones?
And don't even pretend that they're the best drivers in the world when it comes to transits. I heard from Jamie, and possibly you, John, about Burns (and others?) flying around you on public streets a year or two ago (whenever it was). If I remember the story well enough the rally drivers were going well over the speed limit.
And don't even pretend that they're the best drivers in the world when it comes to transits. I heard from Jamie, and possibly you, John, about Burns (and others?) flying around you on public streets a year or two ago (whenever it was). If I remember the story well enough the rally drivers were going well over the speed limit.
| AndyRoo | 07-31-2003 07:27 PM |
Yeah I would like to know what their speed is too.
And I do agree that being the "best" or "safest" transit driver is quite different then how good of a race car driver they are. So they know about car control, but they still can be ******** and overconfident.
And I do agree that being the "best" or "safest" transit driver is quite different then how good of a race car driver they are. So they know about car control, but they still can be ******** and overconfident.
| johnfelstead | 07-31-2003 07:45 PM |
no, what you heard from jamie was how Colin passed us on the transit up to the shakedown stage a little quick and spayed us with stones. (he was getting a feel for the tyres on the first bit of gravel road before the stage proper) That was on a forest track and not part of the highway the law controls. So i am sorry, but you are wrong with your recolection, the drivers were not speeding on the highway. I sugest you dont use my name to make up your stories if your memory isnt particularly good.
The speed isnt listed as in the UK your charges are not public domain information until you are in court, only the acused, their lawyers and the prosecution know the details of the charges, just as it should be.
[img]http://images.thesun.co.uk/picture/0,,2003350153,00.jpg[/img]
The speed isnt listed as in the UK your charges are not public domain information until you are in court, only the acused, their lawyers and the prosecution know the details of the charges, just as it should be.
[img]http://images.thesun.co.uk/picture/0,,2003350153,00.jpg[/img]
| johnfelstead | 07-31-2003 08:13 PM |
This is the crap the UK driver is being subjected to now. Horatio, you just dont get it.
[i]Speeding Camera Statistics
Motoring groups are up in arms after the latest figures revealed more than two million motorists have been nabbed by speed cameras in the past 12 months. The rising number of cameras has seen the amount of tickets issued rise more than twenty fold in some areas. In Northamptonshire 100,000 speeding fines were dished out, compared to just 4,000 in 1999, while in Essex 100 new cameras saw tickets numbers rise from 1,000 to 70,000 during the same period.
Groups such as the RAC and the Association of British Drivers are calling for the cameras to only be positioned outside schools and in 30mph zones, and not at sites that will produce the greatest revenue.[/i]
People are fighting back. [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/3113107.stm[/url]
[i]Yorke cleared of speeding
A speeding conviction against soccer star Dwight Yorke has been overturned by the High Court.
On Thursday judges sitting in London, ruled the case against the Blackburn Rover striker had been "fatally flawed".
Yorke had told the court he should be acquitted because a police form used as evidence did not have his signature on it.
The case will have implications for drivers in the UK because of the increase in the use of speed camera evidence in court.
On Thursday Mr Justice Owen, sitting in London, agreed a prime facie case against Yorke was set up on an "erroneous basis".
Identity proof
The 31-year-old was convicted by magistrates in Manchester of driving his Porsche 911 at 61mph in Princess Road, Withington, Manchester, in May 2001.
However, Mr Justice Owen said because there was no signature on the form to prove the identity of Yorke as the driver the conviction should be set aside.
The judge had been told similar cases were spreading "like a virus" to magistrates courts up and down the country.
Yorke, who used to play for Aston Villa and Manchester United, had been fined �350 and ordered to pay �1,000 costs after his conviction.
His first appeal to Manchester Crown Court against the conviction was unsuccessful.
But lawyers for Yorke and Michael Mawdesley, another motorist also convicted of speeding, argued in the High Court that magistrates were wrong to accept the unsigned forms as admissible evidence that they were the guilty drivers.
Retrial considered
The lawyers argued that the legislation for dealing with speeding cases had been so badly drafted by Parliament that the convictions must be quashed and the law overhauled.
Michael Mawdesley, from Chorley, Lancashire, was found guilty by Warrington magistrates of clocking 102mph on the M56 in April 2002.
The two cases centre on a section of the 1988 Road Traffic Act, which requires the owner or keeper of a vehicle to give information identifying the driver when that vehicle is caught speeding.
Yorke was alleged to have partially filled in the form and returned it to the central ticket office in Manchester in July 2001, although it did not contain his signature.
Mr Mawdsley will face a retrial because there was no other evidence to prove the identity of the driver.
The judge has ruled that it must go back to Warrington magistrates for reconsideration.[/i]
[i]Speeding Camera Statistics
Motoring groups are up in arms after the latest figures revealed more than two million motorists have been nabbed by speed cameras in the past 12 months. The rising number of cameras has seen the amount of tickets issued rise more than twenty fold in some areas. In Northamptonshire 100,000 speeding fines were dished out, compared to just 4,000 in 1999, while in Essex 100 new cameras saw tickets numbers rise from 1,000 to 70,000 during the same period.
Groups such as the RAC and the Association of British Drivers are calling for the cameras to only be positioned outside schools and in 30mph zones, and not at sites that will produce the greatest revenue.[/i]
People are fighting back. [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/3113107.stm[/url]
[i]Yorke cleared of speeding
A speeding conviction against soccer star Dwight Yorke has been overturned by the High Court.
On Thursday judges sitting in London, ruled the case against the Blackburn Rover striker had been "fatally flawed".
Yorke had told the court he should be acquitted because a police form used as evidence did not have his signature on it.
The case will have implications for drivers in the UK because of the increase in the use of speed camera evidence in court.
On Thursday Mr Justice Owen, sitting in London, agreed a prime facie case against Yorke was set up on an "erroneous basis".
Identity proof
The 31-year-old was convicted by magistrates in Manchester of driving his Porsche 911 at 61mph in Princess Road, Withington, Manchester, in May 2001.
However, Mr Justice Owen said because there was no signature on the form to prove the identity of Yorke as the driver the conviction should be set aside.
The judge had been told similar cases were spreading "like a virus" to magistrates courts up and down the country.
Yorke, who used to play for Aston Villa and Manchester United, had been fined �350 and ordered to pay �1,000 costs after his conviction.
His first appeal to Manchester Crown Court against the conviction was unsuccessful.
But lawyers for Yorke and Michael Mawdesley, another motorist also convicted of speeding, argued in the High Court that magistrates were wrong to accept the unsigned forms as admissible evidence that they were the guilty drivers.
Retrial considered
The lawyers argued that the legislation for dealing with speeding cases had been so badly drafted by Parliament that the convictions must be quashed and the law overhauled.
Michael Mawdesley, from Chorley, Lancashire, was found guilty by Warrington magistrates of clocking 102mph on the M56 in April 2002.
The two cases centre on a section of the 1988 Road Traffic Act, which requires the owner or keeper of a vehicle to give information identifying the driver when that vehicle is caught speeding.
Yorke was alleged to have partially filled in the form and returned it to the central ticket office in Manchester in July 2001, although it did not contain his signature.
Mr Mawdsley will face a retrial because there was no other evidence to prove the identity of the driver.
The judge has ruled that it must go back to Warrington magistrates for reconsideration.[/i]
| ANZAC_1915 | 07-31-2003 08:33 PM |
[QUOTE]Only the brits will recieve bans as you cant ban someone with a foreign licence, just fine them. [/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure I got my picture taken by a few of the cameras (in between parking my rental car in ditches).... no fines yet.
Glenn
I'm pretty sure I got my picture taken by a few of the cameras (in between parking my rental car in ditches).... no fines yet.
Glenn
| ANZAC_1915 | 07-31-2003 08:38 PM |
[QUOTE]And its not like these drivers are ripping around the transits, passing police cars and sliding by pedestrians. If all they have to do is barely exceed the speed limit to get caught, you cant say they are doing it because they are cocky, rich, holier than thou, jerks. Have you ever gone 56 in a 55? Did you feel really special afterwards? Like as special as Burnsie? [/QUOTE]
By the way I passed some of the WRC/Super 1600/Grp N competitors on the M4 during the event and the ones I saw were sticking very closely to the speed limit, or below.
Glenn
By the way I passed some of the WRC/Super 1600/Grp N competitors on the M4 during the event and the ones I saw were sticking very closely to the speed limit, or below.
Glenn
| CosmoTheCat | 08-01-2003 04:01 AM |
edit: Not even worth my time trying to convince you that the problem isn't the police enforcing the laws, it's the people breaking them. :rolleyes:
| johnfelstead | 08-01-2003 08:02 AM |
No It's not. I live with the consequencies of the current speed camera madness every day. You havnt got a clue what its like to drive everywhere looking at your speedo rather than the road. Traffic police numbers are being reduced year on year because they are relying on cameras to do what the police used to do, so no longer do we have specialist police looking for dangerous driving. Death rates on UK roads have risen nationally since the introduction of these things, not fallen.
But you know best, speed kills, end of...........
P.S i have a clean driving licence with no endorsments, have done for over 10 years, so this isnt some speed crazy been caught and fined lunatic saying these things.
But you know best, speed kills, end of...........
P.S i have a clean driving licence with no endorsments, have done for over 10 years, so this isnt some speed crazy been caught and fined lunatic saying these things.
| asquaredrex | 08-01-2003 09:15 AM |
"but your honor, there's no speed limit on the shoulder..."
| Soon2bSubbieowner | 08-01-2003 10:32 AM |
Im a n00b (first time I have really read this forum) do the drivers actually drive the WRC cars from place to place or is this there private cars?
| CosmoTheCat | 08-01-2003 10:42 AM |
I don't know about the roads in the UK, but over here it's not all that hard to drive the speed limit, without staring at the speedometer all the time.
I agree with what you're saying about how the means is a flawed way at getting to the ends, but the fact remains... these guys were speeding and got caught, which if I'm not mistaken they can get penalized for breaking civilian laws on transits.
Anyway, to answer soon2b's question, yes, they drive the WRC cars on public roads to get from the end of one stage to the beginning of another, to service, and to/from start/finish/etc.
I agree with what you're saying about how the means is a flawed way at getting to the ends, but the fact remains... these guys were speeding and got caught, which if I'm not mistaken they can get penalized for breaking civilian laws on transits.
Anyway, to answer soon2b's question, yes, they drive the WRC cars on public roads to get from the end of one stage to the beginning of another, to service, and to/from start/finish/etc.
| Flat420 | 08-01-2003 02:14 PM |
Horiatio, if driving the limit is so easy, maybe you should move over to the UK?
Seriously, haven't you heard 'Judge not, lest ye be judged?' You sure come off as the high moral authority about speeding, speeding laws and such. I guess you never speed, and if so, more power to you, I guess. It must feel good to be so unassailable in your righteous stance on lawbreakers. :rolleyes:
Seriously, haven't you heard 'Judge not, lest ye be judged?' You sure come off as the high moral authority about speeding, speeding laws and such. I guess you never speed, and if so, more power to you, I guess. It must feel good to be so unassailable in your righteous stance on lawbreakers. :rolleyes:
| RichardM | 08-01-2003 02:21 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Soon2bSubbieowner [/i]
[B]Im a n00b (first time I have really read this forum) do the drivers actually drive the WRC cars from place to place or is this there private cars? [/B][/QUOTE]
In a performance rally, the drivers actually drive the rally car on public roads open to all the regular traffic while going between the special stages. This is called a transit. The implication is that the time allowed for the transit is such that you do not have to speed. In my over 20 years of SCCA rally competition I have not once exceeded the posted speed limit. (This is a joke because I have not done it once, but rather several times.) However, in general, the transits are on low traffic roads.
As to the implication that speeding is akin to murder and completely wrong and therefore should never be done, that is incorrect. Speed limits are set for many reasons including air pollution. Safety is seldom a reason for setting the limits. In Texas, the posted speed limits are presumptions only. If you can convince the judge that you were safe doing 120MPH up Central Expressway in Dallas, then you will not get a conviction. In other states, the speed limits are absolutes. A measured speed of 62 on a freeway with no other traffic and a design speed of 85 (the normal DOT requirement) with the posted speed of 60 means you are guilty.
Richard Miller
[B]Im a n00b (first time I have really read this forum) do the drivers actually drive the WRC cars from place to place or is this there private cars? [/B][/QUOTE]
In a performance rally, the drivers actually drive the rally car on public roads open to all the regular traffic while going between the special stages. This is called a transit. The implication is that the time allowed for the transit is such that you do not have to speed. In my over 20 years of SCCA rally competition I have not once exceeded the posted speed limit. (This is a joke because I have not done it once, but rather several times.) However, in general, the transits are on low traffic roads.
As to the implication that speeding is akin to murder and completely wrong and therefore should never be done, that is incorrect. Speed limits are set for many reasons including air pollution. Safety is seldom a reason for setting the limits. In Texas, the posted speed limits are presumptions only. If you can convince the judge that you were safe doing 120MPH up Central Expressway in Dallas, then you will not get a conviction. In other states, the speed limits are absolutes. A measured speed of 62 on a freeway with no other traffic and a design speed of 85 (the normal DOT requirement) with the posted speed of 60 means you are guilty.
Richard Miller
| ITWRX4ME | 08-01-2003 02:28 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Flat420 [/i]
[B]Horiatio, if driving the limit is so easy, maybe you should move over to the UK?
Seriously, haven't you heard 'Judge not, lest ye be judged?' You sure come off as the high moral authority about speeding, speeding laws and such. I guess you never speed, and if so, more power to you, I guess. It must feel good to be so unassailable in your righteous stance on lawbreakers. :rolleyes: [/B][/QUOTE]
In Horatio's defense, not that he's incapable of defending himself, he did admit that he speeds and he also said that he is willing to accept the consequences. I feel the same way.
You speed, you get caught, you accept the consequences and you don't whine about it.
If you don't like the laws, work to get them changed or continue on feeling like a victim of society.
Edit: And more to the topic...
I believe the rules of rally racing including obeying the speed limits between stages. If a rally official had been hiding in the bushes along the route with a radar gun to catch competitors speeding, would that have been okay?
[B]Horiatio, if driving the limit is so easy, maybe you should move over to the UK?
Seriously, haven't you heard 'Judge not, lest ye be judged?' You sure come off as the high moral authority about speeding, speeding laws and such. I guess you never speed, and if so, more power to you, I guess. It must feel good to be so unassailable in your righteous stance on lawbreakers. :rolleyes: [/B][/QUOTE]
In Horatio's defense, not that he's incapable of defending himself, he did admit that he speeds and he also said that he is willing to accept the consequences. I feel the same way.
You speed, you get caught, you accept the consequences and you don't whine about it.
If you don't like the laws, work to get them changed or continue on feeling like a victim of society.
Edit: And more to the topic...
I believe the rules of rally racing including obeying the speed limits between stages. If a rally official had been hiding in the bushes along the route with a radar gun to catch competitors speeding, would that have been okay?
| WRXedUSA | 08-01-2003 02:44 PM |
Ok, I've read all your posts and have thought about this problem for the past few days.
Here's what I come up with:
I know rally cars are road cars when in transit, and the drivers are under the same umbrella of the law we are. But I cant think of anything worse to do from a organizers standpoint than to let the bobbie get away with this blantant overkill.
Conclusion for FIA and RAC officials:
step up in the sake of the event or threaten to replace it with Japan or someone else.
Felstead: You going to WRC Sweden '04? If so let me in on some travelling tips if you dont mind please. I probably have a place to stay in Karlstad.
Here's what I come up with:
I know rally cars are road cars when in transit, and the drivers are under the same umbrella of the law we are. But I cant think of anything worse to do from a organizers standpoint than to let the bobbie get away with this blantant overkill.
Conclusion for FIA and RAC officials:
step up in the sake of the event or threaten to replace it with Japan or someone else.
Felstead: You going to WRC Sweden '04? If so let me in on some travelling tips if you dont mind please. I probably have a place to stay in Karlstad.
| liigod | 08-02-2003 03:34 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B]
So now we have dick turpins in jam butties round every corner. [/B][/QUOTE]
what did you say?:confused:
[B]
So now we have dick turpins in jam butties round every corner. [/B][/QUOTE]
what did you say?:confused:
| ha-evolution | 08-02-2003 11:34 AM |
Somebody is on a high horse....
| WRXedUSA | 08-02-2003 02:03 PM |
American terms:
Five-O
Po-Po
Po-leece
The Feds
Smokey
Coppers
Roscoe P. Coltraine
A Coo Coo Coo!
Johnny Law
Constable
Five-O
Po-Po
Po-leece
The Feds
Smokey
Coppers
Roscoe P. Coltraine
A Coo Coo Coo!
Johnny Law
Constable
| CosmoTheCat | 08-03-2003 03:21 AM |
Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, but I was otherwise engaged today. :)
Flat420 - I hate driving the speed limit. It's actually more dangerous for the general public to have me drive that slow as I get bored and I quit paying attention to what I'm doing. So I do speed. If you knew me at all you'd know that speed limits are just about the only law I don't abide by religiously. [i]But[/i] I know what the consequences are and I'm willing to take the chance. I know that generally I'm able to successfully talk my way out of tickets (done so 4 of the 6 times I've been stopped for speeding in the last 9 years). I also know what my legal options are when I do get caught. (BTW a police officer friend of mine today said to never mitigate a ticket, always contest. >shrug<)
If I lived in the UK, I most likely would not speed nearly as much. To be quite honest there's no real incentive for me to refrain from speeding over here. But in the UK where it appears that it's easy to lose one's license, I'd be pretty darned sure to avoid losing my license at whatever the cost. If they're using unmanned laser traps all over the place, I'd resign to driving the speed limit and be done. I'd also get involved with political interest groups trying to overturn the laws. Worst case scenario I'd move.
If my career depended on me being able to legally drive in a given country, the [i]smart[/i] thing to do would be to obey the laws of that country and keep my driver's license. :rolleyes:
If you knew me at all you'd understand better. I have no problem driving down a deserted stretch of highway at triple-digit speeds, but I'll still use my turn signals. I even feel compelled to signal when I'm cutting somebody off in anger. :) It's one of my neurotic quirks. Another is that I am a firm believer that if you get caught red handed, you should buck up and pay the man (and by pay the man, do whatever the law says you can do).
Flat420 - I hate driving the speed limit. It's actually more dangerous for the general public to have me drive that slow as I get bored and I quit paying attention to what I'm doing. So I do speed. If you knew me at all you'd know that speed limits are just about the only law I don't abide by religiously. [i]But[/i] I know what the consequences are and I'm willing to take the chance. I know that generally I'm able to successfully talk my way out of tickets (done so 4 of the 6 times I've been stopped for speeding in the last 9 years). I also know what my legal options are when I do get caught. (BTW a police officer friend of mine today said to never mitigate a ticket, always contest. >shrug<)
If I lived in the UK, I most likely would not speed nearly as much. To be quite honest there's no real incentive for me to refrain from speeding over here. But in the UK where it appears that it's easy to lose one's license, I'd be pretty darned sure to avoid losing my license at whatever the cost. If they're using unmanned laser traps all over the place, I'd resign to driving the speed limit and be done. I'd also get involved with political interest groups trying to overturn the laws. Worst case scenario I'd move.
If my career depended on me being able to legally drive in a given country, the [i]smart[/i] thing to do would be to obey the laws of that country and keep my driver's license. :rolleyes:
If you knew me at all you'd understand better. I have no problem driving down a deserted stretch of highway at triple-digit speeds, but I'll still use my turn signals. I even feel compelled to signal when I'm cutting somebody off in anger. :) It's one of my neurotic quirks. Another is that I am a firm believer that if you get caught red handed, you should buck up and pay the man (and by pay the man, do whatever the law says you can do).
| 8Complex | 08-03-2003 04:08 AM |
Just more reason to drive without license plates in the middle of crowds. *shrug*
Speed traps are fine, but a 10% margin is ridiculous when you consider that most auto manufacturers have a 10% margin of error from the factory on their speedometers to begin with.
Speed traps are fine, but a 10% margin is ridiculous when you consider that most auto manufacturers have a 10% margin of error from the factory on their speedometers to begin with.
| CosmoTheCat | 08-03-2003 04:40 AM |
My speedos have all been well within 3% as checked by local and state municipalities. ;)
The Mustang on the other hand... :confused:
[i]Perhaps I shouldn't have yanked the needle off without checking the tension[/i]
The Mustang on the other hand... :confused:
[i]Perhaps I shouldn't have yanked the needle off without checking the tension[/i]
| ANZAC_1915 | 08-03-2003 11:26 AM |
Dick Turpin was a highwayman (ie a bandit, robber).
A jam buttie is a "jelly sandwich" for you yanks.
Both Australia and the UK have turned into police states. Speed and red light cameras everywhere (though I don't have much of a quibble with the red light cameras).
The irony is that car theft and house break-ins are rampant in the UK, yet so much of the police resources are devoted to catching speeders. Why? The speeders can pay up.
A jam buttie is a "jelly sandwich" for you yanks.
Both Australia and the UK have turned into police states. Speed and red light cameras everywhere (though I don't have much of a quibble with the red light cameras).
The irony is that car theft and house break-ins are rampant in the UK, yet so much of the police resources are devoted to catching speeders. Why? The speeders can pay up.
| johnfelstead | 08-04-2003 09:33 PM |
jam buttie is the nickname for a police trafic car because they used to have a red stripe down the side of a white car. They now use yellow, so maybe we should call them lemon curd butties? :confused::lol:
dick turpin was indeed a notorious highwayman, he used to shout "stand and deliver" before robbing the stage coaches. We dont even get the curtosy of a shout these days. :o
dick turpin was indeed a notorious highwayman, he used to shout "stand and deliver" before robbing the stage coaches. We dont even get the curtosy of a shout these days. :o
| ANZAC_1915 | 08-04-2003 10:16 PM |
Don't forget "panda".
| AndyRoo | 08-05-2003 08:13 AM |
John, did you see the movie Johnny English? It was absolutely horrible and dont go see it if you havent already, but anyway, they have a part where the Mr. Bean character is sort of driving through town quickly in his Aston Martin and a speed camera takes his picture. He then presses a button in his car and it fires a rocket backwards and blows up the camera. I'd imagine that would get quite a laugh over there.
Never has a movie been so painful to watch.
Never has a movie been so painful to watch.
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