| slalom274 | 10-20-2006 04:33 AM |
Spoiler: Ultimate Street Car Challenge
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I knew you guys were going to do really good. Congrats Crawford! Did an awsome job, against a stiff comp..
| slalom274 | 10-20-2006 04:43 AM |
congrats
| STimedic | 10-20-2006 05:18 AM |
Thanks for ruining it for me, I was gonna go get the copy of SCC today...but congrats to Crawford!!
| bitterWRX | 10-20-2006 05:42 AM |
Seriously now... you couldn't put a spoiler alert?
| SPOOLN | 10-20-2006 08:47 AM |
No shiat, well congrats to crawford if they did.
| Ceyvme | 10-20-2006 08:54 AM |
Bleh still have the old issue at my stores...will have to check portland tonite...
| sidesleeper | 10-20-2006 11:41 AM |
Just ran out and got one! :disco:
| Chiketkd | 10-20-2006 11:48 AM |
Anyone want to truly post a spoiler and let us know where Crawford placed overall?
| sidesleeper | 10-20-2006 12:07 PM |
One thing i just noticed...(i'm still reading) Crawford has said before in the past that the crawford sti put's down 451whp on their dynapack.....so on K&N's dyno jet it puts down 449whp....wow guys ahahahha crawfords dynapack reads really high 2hp higher :rolleyes: Just thought i'd stick that to the haters!
| Chiketkd | 10-20-2006 12:12 PM |
[QUOTE=sidesleeper;15684977]One thing i just noticed...(i'm still reading) Crawford has said before in the past that the crawford sti put's down 451whp on their dynapack.....so on K&N's dyno jet it puts down 449whp....wow guys ahahahha crawfords dynapack reads really high 2hp higher :rolleyes: Just thought i'd stick that to the haters![/QUOTE]
Quit you jabberin' and post the overall results at the end! :D :lol:
Maybe you can do 'hidden' text where you have to highlight the area inorder to read what you've typed...
I just have a busy weekend of autoX and family events and won't have a chance to run to B&N until next week.
Quit you jabberin' and post the overall results at the end! :D :lol:
Maybe you can do 'hidden' text where you have to highlight the area inorder to read what you've typed...
I just have a busy weekend of autoX and family events and won't have a chance to run to B&N until next week.
| sidesleeper | 10-20-2006 12:14 PM |
:lol: i'll just pm you!
| Chiketkd | 10-20-2006 12:22 PM |
Merci! PM recv'd! :)
| sleepy98 | 10-20-2006 12:26 PM |
[QUOTE=sidesleeper;15684977]One thing i just noticed...(i'm still reading) Crawford has said before in the past that the crawford sti put's down 451whp on their dynapack.....so on K&N's dyno jet it puts down 449whp....wow guys ahahahha crawfords dynapack reads really high 2hp higher :rolleyes: Just thought i'd stick that to the haters![/QUOTE]
Now that's funny:lol:
But you know the haters wont say anything about that. Notice how they all dissapeared after the big valley /turbo trix deal...kaboom!
Anyway good for Crawford. I hope to see more of those cars doing crazy things.
BTW Don't tell us the outcome i wanna read it for myself:D
Now that's funny:lol:
But you know the haters wont say anything about that. Notice how they all dissapeared after the big valley /turbo trix deal...kaboom!
Anyway good for Crawford. I hope to see more of those cars doing crazy things.
BTW Don't tell us the outcome i wanna read it for myself:D
| sidesleeper | 10-20-2006 12:31 PM |
This sure is going to help them sell turbo kits/tunes...it proves that the stock block+turbo kit+tune=pretty damn good for a street car. I know i want one!
| sidesleeper | 10-20-2006 12:33 PM |
[QUOTE=sleepy98;15685245]Now that's funny:lol:
But you know the haters wont say anything about that. Notice how they all dissapeared after the big valley /turbo trix deal...kaboom!
Anyway good for Crawford. I hope to see more of those cars doing crazy things.
BTW Don't tell us the outcome i wanna read it for myself:D[/QUOTE]
whoa what? Bigvalley's turbo trix engine went kaboom!? I must of missed that :lol: Yeah, but now we have an outside source to make references too. Instead of us just saying that Crawford are stand up guys and are good at what they do.
But you know the haters wont say anything about that. Notice how they all dissapeared after the big valley /turbo trix deal...kaboom!
Anyway good for Crawford. I hope to see more of those cars doing crazy things.
BTW Don't tell us the outcome i wanna read it for myself:D[/QUOTE]
whoa what? Bigvalley's turbo trix engine went kaboom!? I must of missed that :lol: Yeah, but now we have an outside source to make references too. Instead of us just saying that Crawford are stand up guys and are good at what they do.
| PA04STI | 10-20-2006 02:04 PM |
People are haters when Crawford's name comes up. But since I can give two ****s about drag racing and all that BS where they mainly post dyno numbers with no drag times to prove the #s. P.S. If you want a dyno queen drop the Subies and get a Supra, TT Z06, or Viper.
I do know one thing Crawford is one of a few Subaru vendors that represent at the track which is all I care about. The only STi there at NASA at midohio representing and many other events and also posts some great vids to prove it. And puts their STi out there consistently where it belongs at the road track.
Now all you other hater vendors & members where are your track cars????
Gotta give props to Element tuning & Phil, GOTO racing, & Phonixville who tracks frequently and those I may have not seen but are out at the tracks frequently.
On a side note AMS and Buschur Racing huge in the drag seen also have crazy track cars and are always at events....Time to step it up Subie venders!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh and you venders wanted to get into the track thing & represent I am open for sponsership & plan next year to make alot of events in the MAIC region... Ok I was wishful thinking, but it was worth the try.
Matt
I do know one thing Crawford is one of a few Subaru vendors that represent at the track which is all I care about. The only STi there at NASA at midohio representing and many other events and also posts some great vids to prove it. And puts their STi out there consistently where it belongs at the road track.
Now all you other hater vendors & members where are your track cars????
Gotta give props to Element tuning & Phil, GOTO racing, & Phonixville who tracks frequently and those I may have not seen but are out at the tracks frequently.
On a side note AMS and Buschur Racing huge in the drag seen also have crazy track cars and are always at events....Time to step it up Subie venders!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh and you venders wanted to get into the track thing & represent I am open for sponsership & plan next year to make alot of events in the MAIC region... Ok I was wishful thinking, but it was worth the try.
Matt
| WgnWheel | 10-20-2006 04:01 PM |
too bad they didn't have their built motor, for this event! and what's with the apr sti?! all show, no go...at least they lasted the whole competition, unlike the evo!
| PA04STI | 10-20-2006 04:13 PM |
[QUOTE=WgnWheel;15688242]too bad they didn't have their built motor, for this event! and what's with the apr sti?! all show, no go...at least they lasted the whole competition, unlike the evo![/QUOTE]
They ran with the stock engine at NASA @ midohio. Got second behind the AMS evo not too shabby.
Kinda shows the potential of the STi engine even in stock from with a good tune.
Matt
They ran with the stock engine at NASA @ midohio. Got second behind the AMS evo not too shabby.
Kinda shows the potential of the STi engine even in stock from with a good tune.
Matt
| RainMaker | 10-20-2006 09:13 PM |
The reason most people gave Crawford greif about their dyno numbers is that they always posted "flywheel" horsepower, with no way to measure it other than wheel horsepower and some multiplier. They wouldnt post wheel horsepower because it sounded like just another tuner GT35 or whatever car.
Since they realized what they were doing was creating more greif than they wanted, they changed to WHP and many of us havent given them any issues.
Other than that, many still believe they have some culpability in the "Bobblehead" debacle with Bruce. I think two attitudes clashed and the results were bad for both.
Either way, there is some background behind *some* of the problem people have with Crawford.
I personally have other shops that I would go to. ELement being one of them.
CHris
Since they realized what they were doing was creating more greif than they wanted, they changed to WHP and many of us havent given them any issues.
Other than that, many still believe they have some culpability in the "Bobblehead" debacle with Bruce. I think two attitudes clashed and the results were bad for both.
Either way, there is some background behind *some* of the problem people have with Crawford.
I personally have other shops that I would go to. ELement being one of them.
CHris
| jigga | 10-20-2006 09:33 PM |
no.. the reason why they get grief is that they make way more HP than their injectors could possibly support.. in other words, it seems with their tuning that 1+1 = 5
| PA04STI | 10-20-2006 10:27 PM |
[QUOTE=RainMaker;15691555]The reason most people gave Crawford greif about their dyno numbers is that they always posted "flywheel" horsepower, with no way to measure it other than wheel horsepower and some multiplier. They wouldnt post wheel horsepower because it sounded like just another tuner GT35 or whatever car.
Since they realized what they were doing was creating more greif than they wanted, they changed to WHP and many of us havent given them any issues.
Other than that, many still believe they have some culpability in the "Bobblehead" debacle with Bruce. I think two attitudes clashed and the results were bad for both.
Either way, there is some background behind *some* of the problem people have with Crawford.
I personally have other shops that I would go to. ELement being one of them.
CHris[/QUOTE]
See at the track I could give a crap about WHP I mean 300-500Whp/Trq is great for the track but really it all about a COMPLETE SETUP. Quick Spool, suspension, brakes, wheels/tires, downforce aerodynamics etc etc.
Really dyno #s are nothing more then that #s...Its a nice way to see where you are at compared to where you want to be...Really its times that are important and adjusting the car to improve those and Crawford seems to have that down pat. I mean they did that on a STOCK engine!!!!
Good job guys way to represent the Subaru community against some stiff competition.
You got my props and earned my respect by being out there on the track...even though I will admit I badmouthed you at first related to engines, but you have my props at MidOhio and were very nice to answer all of my questions. And definitely have the track thing down!!!!
Next year we will have to go out to some bars and Bull**** some more I'll get the 1st round!!!!
Plus Russ is one hell of a driver!!!!!
Matt
Also read this from [B]modaddict[/B]:
[QUOTE]Yesterday I went to Crawford Performance and saw this car first hand. All i have to say is OMFG! Fricken awesome car!
I can't wait to drive it next week.
Thanks guys!
Ryan[/QUOTE]
I mean they are letting the dude drive their car who does that???!!!!
Awesome maybe I can get a ride at MidOhio next year???? I'll bring a helmet and may even be in it but probably slow...lol only way to learn..
Since they realized what they were doing was creating more greif than they wanted, they changed to WHP and many of us havent given them any issues.
Other than that, many still believe they have some culpability in the "Bobblehead" debacle with Bruce. I think two attitudes clashed and the results were bad for both.
Either way, there is some background behind *some* of the problem people have with Crawford.
I personally have other shops that I would go to. ELement being one of them.
CHris[/QUOTE]
See at the track I could give a crap about WHP I mean 300-500Whp/Trq is great for the track but really it all about a COMPLETE SETUP. Quick Spool, suspension, brakes, wheels/tires, downforce aerodynamics etc etc.
Really dyno #s are nothing more then that #s...Its a nice way to see where you are at compared to where you want to be...Really its times that are important and adjusting the car to improve those and Crawford seems to have that down pat. I mean they did that on a STOCK engine!!!!
Good job guys way to represent the Subaru community against some stiff competition.
You got my props and earned my respect by being out there on the track...even though I will admit I badmouthed you at first related to engines, but you have my props at MidOhio and were very nice to answer all of my questions. And definitely have the track thing down!!!!
Next year we will have to go out to some bars and Bull**** some more I'll get the 1st round!!!!
Plus Russ is one hell of a driver!!!!!
Matt
Also read this from [B]modaddict[/B]:
[QUOTE]Yesterday I went to Crawford Performance and saw this car first hand. All i have to say is OMFG! Fricken awesome car!
I can't wait to drive it next week.
Thanks guys!
Ryan[/QUOTE]
I mean they are letting the dude drive their car who does that???!!!!
Awesome maybe I can get a ride at MidOhio next year???? I'll bring a helmet and may even be in it but probably slow...lol only way to learn..
| sleepy98 | 10-20-2006 10:39 PM |
They get grief because they go out there and prove everybody wrong or at least that is what people think. Why can't people think that they are just pushing the envelope instead? Dam ego's!!!
| silver arrow | 10-20-2006 11:22 PM |
Where is the spoiler? I want to know who won.
| Badazzcr | 10-21-2006 10:38 AM |
[QUOTE=PA04STI;15686617]People are haters when Crawford's name comes up. But since I can give two ****s about drag racing and all that BS where they mainly post dyno numbers with no drag times to prove the #s. P.S. If you want a dyno queen drop the Subies and get a Supra, TT Z06, or Viper.
I do know one thing Crawford is one of a few Subaru vendors that represent at the track which is all I care about. The only STi there at NASA at midohio representing and many other events and also posts some great vids to prove it. And puts their STi out there consistently where it belongs at the road track.
Now all you other hater vendors & members where are your track cars????
Gotta give props to Element tuning & Phil, GOTO racing, & Phonixville who tracks frequently and those I may have not seen but are out at the tracks frequently.
On a side note AMS and Buschur Racing huge in the drag seen also have crazy track cars and are always at events....Time to step it up Subie venders!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh and you venders wanted to get into the track thing & represent I am open for sponsership & plan next year to make alot of events in the MAIC region... Ok I was wishful thinking, but it was worth the try.
Matt[/QUOTE]
My little sister could build a car to go and run a few laps around a track during a time attack. I want to see all the vendors out next year at one lap. Lets see them last a whole week and 4000miles.
I do know one thing Crawford is one of a few Subaru vendors that represent at the track which is all I care about. The only STi there at NASA at midohio representing and many other events and also posts some great vids to prove it. And puts their STi out there consistently where it belongs at the road track.
Now all you other hater vendors & members where are your track cars????
Gotta give props to Element tuning & Phil, GOTO racing, & Phonixville who tracks frequently and those I may have not seen but are out at the tracks frequently.
On a side note AMS and Buschur Racing huge in the drag seen also have crazy track cars and are always at events....Time to step it up Subie venders!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh and you venders wanted to get into the track thing & represent I am open for sponsership & plan next year to make alot of events in the MAIC region... Ok I was wishful thinking, but it was worth the try.
Matt[/QUOTE]
My little sister could build a car to go and run a few laps around a track during a time attack. I want to see all the vendors out next year at one lap. Lets see them last a whole week and 4000miles.
| sleepy98 | 10-21-2006 11:57 AM |
Did crawford have a customer run One Lap last year? I think he took third in class and 8th overall see [url]http://www.onelapofamerica.com/[/url] for the detials.
| RainMaker | 10-21-2006 01:22 PM |
Wow... so if Vivid Racing only ran a car in the SCC challenge, some of you guys would all buy your Blow Off Valves from them, eh? :lol:
So now Im not hating on Crawford, Im just responding to you fanbois.
Quotes from SCC:
"What if Crawford hadnt grenaded their 2.7 L engine the night before the competition?"
"Tuners cant setup brakes worth a damn." (After the Crawford car took 69 ft further to stop than a Beetle.)
"This is the best NASA's Time Trial champ can do?"
So yeah, they didnt win the USCC, they blew up their own 2.7l $10k+ eninge the night BEFORE the event, they cant setup brakes, and they cant seem to drive the car...
And thats only what the magazine says.
Just keeping it all in perspective.
So now Im not hating on Crawford, Im just responding to you fanbois.
Quotes from SCC:
"What if Crawford hadnt grenaded their 2.7 L engine the night before the competition?"
"Tuners cant setup brakes worth a damn." (After the Crawford car took 69 ft further to stop than a Beetle.)
"This is the best NASA's Time Trial champ can do?"
So yeah, they didnt win the USCC, they blew up their own 2.7l $10k+ eninge the night BEFORE the event, they cant setup brakes, and they cant seem to drive the car...
And thats only what the magazine says.
Just keeping it all in perspective.
| PA04STI | 10-22-2006 12:31 AM |
[QUOTE=RainMaker;15695954]Wow... so if Vivid Racing only ran a car in the SCC challenge, some of you guys would all buy your Blow Off Valves from them, eh? :lol:
So now Im not hating on Crawford, Im just responding to you fanbois.
Quotes from SCC:
"What if Crawford hadnt grenaded their 2.7 L engine the night before the competition?"
"Tuners cant setup brakes worth a damn." (After the Crawford car took 69 ft further to stop than a Beetle.)
"This is the best NASA's Time Trial champ can do?"
So yeah, they didnt win the USCC, they blew up their own 2.7l $10k+ eninge the night BEFORE the event, they cant setup brakes, and they cant seem to drive the car...
And thats only what the magazine says.
Just keeping it all in perspective.[/QUOTE]
Hater: 1st off anyone is stupid to buy a built engine for 10Gs use the stock and tune it well I think Crawford proved that they are good in stock form at leaast on this car
They looked good at NASA @ modohio on a stock block...by the way is your ass out their racing if so post some vids and times. Not a fanbois here just stating a fact they are one of a handful of teams out there at the track alot.
Even with the problems they still did good!!!! So either they are good or the competition really sucks I'd say the first is true because the competition looked damn good at least setup wise.
Matt
So now Im not hating on Crawford, Im just responding to you fanbois.
Quotes from SCC:
"What if Crawford hadnt grenaded their 2.7 L engine the night before the competition?"
"Tuners cant setup brakes worth a damn." (After the Crawford car took 69 ft further to stop than a Beetle.)
"This is the best NASA's Time Trial champ can do?"
So yeah, they didnt win the USCC, they blew up their own 2.7l $10k+ eninge the night BEFORE the event, they cant setup brakes, and they cant seem to drive the car...
And thats only what the magazine says.
Just keeping it all in perspective.[/QUOTE]
Hater: 1st off anyone is stupid to buy a built engine for 10Gs use the stock and tune it well I think Crawford proved that they are good in stock form at leaast on this car
They looked good at NASA @ modohio on a stock block...by the way is your ass out their racing if so post some vids and times. Not a fanbois here just stating a fact they are one of a handful of teams out there at the track alot.
Even with the problems they still did good!!!! So either they are good or the competition really sucks I'd say the first is true because the competition looked damn good at least setup wise.
Matt
| jrerin | 10-22-2006 02:08 AM |
To say that some of the tests for the USCC had flaws would be very true.:eek: Some cars got 10 min on the skid pad and some only got 5�� the braking test was probably the worst of the entire event as far as consistency is concerned.�. most of the cars tested had longer braking zones than many stock production cars� go figure! All in all it was a cool event and I look forward to have the opportunity to participate next year if all goes well�
Each year we all learn from the previous event and next year I am sure that the competition will be tougher and the judging will be tighter�. Some cars had multiple drivers and some cars had the same driver do all of the events�.. so someone will always look to get the advantage. The car that won was a real nice ride that the owner had put a lot of money into. If the bug did not have mechanical problems it would have been a lot tighter race. I think the biggest shock was the STI winning the gross display of HP. I guess Quirt learned something when he did the AWD doughnuts on R compounds�.:confused:
If you guys have a chance, get out to SEMA and check out the car and also my new ride �. One car will be in the Garrett turbo booth and the other in the NGK booth. Then it is off to Time Attack and then to the NASA final 3 days later at Buttonwillow..
Thanks to Jay and the guys at SCC for a fun event. :banana:
See you at the track..
Russ
Each year we all learn from the previous event and next year I am sure that the competition will be tougher and the judging will be tighter�. Some cars had multiple drivers and some cars had the same driver do all of the events�.. so someone will always look to get the advantage. The car that won was a real nice ride that the owner had put a lot of money into. If the bug did not have mechanical problems it would have been a lot tighter race. I think the biggest shock was the STI winning the gross display of HP. I guess Quirt learned something when he did the AWD doughnuts on R compounds�.:confused:
If you guys have a chance, get out to SEMA and check out the car and also my new ride �. One car will be in the Garrett turbo booth and the other in the NGK booth. Then it is off to Time Attack and then to the NASA final 3 days later at Buttonwillow..
Thanks to Jay and the guys at SCC for a fun event. :banana:
See you at the track..
Russ
| mnavarro | 10-22-2006 08:30 AM |
[QUOTE=jrerin;15700701]To say that some of the tests for the USCC had flaws would be very true.:eek: Some cars got 10 min on the skid pad and some only got 5�� the braking test was probably the worst of the entire event as far as consistency is concerned.�. most of the cars tested had longer braking zones than many stock production cars� go figure! [/QUOTE]
Most of the performance aftermarket pads work better than stock pads at high temperatures, but they are probably worse at normal operating temperatures.
Most of the performance aftermarket pads work better than stock pads at high temperatures, but they are probably worse at normal operating temperatures.
| Homemade WRX | 10-22-2006 09:40 AM |
[QUOTE=mnavarro;15701526]Most of the performance aftermarket pads work better than stock pads at high temperatures, but they are probably worse at normal operating temperatures.[/QUOTE]
yup...that and cold tires suck too...regardless though, cold pads should have enough grip to lock up...either that or they are some ****ty pads...
yup...that and cold tires suck too...regardless though, cold pads should have enough grip to lock up...either that or they are some ****ty pads...
| jigga | 10-22-2006 10:37 AM |
[QUOTE=PA04STI;15700160]Hater: 1st off anyone is stupid to buy a built engine for 10Gs use the stock and tune it well I think Crawford proved that they are good in stock form at leaast on this car[/QUOTE]
I think that comes down to how much reliability you want out of the car. Sure, you can use a stock block and use a conservative tune on it to make it run and the like. What happens when the unfortunate and real event of a signal line popping off the turbo or wastegate and the car having an overboost episode? Even the engine builders will tell you that it could verywell spell the end to the stock liners (which let go at the tops of the piston). heck, even the ver 7 ej207's are not immune to overboost episodes either (a member of the forums just lost his after overboosting on it..perform a search and you will find it). A built sleeved block on the other hand will shrug the abuse off on the other hand.
Yeh... there goes the stock block. The reason why people pay 10K for a built engine is for breathing room for safety and peace of mind's sake, and also reliability when pounding out higher than stock power.
Heck, there is no reason why they could not have saved even more money on the engine front and started with an ej205 with a more conservative tune.... Afterall...it is all in the tune right??;)
I think that comes down to how much reliability you want out of the car. Sure, you can use a stock block and use a conservative tune on it to make it run and the like. What happens when the unfortunate and real event of a signal line popping off the turbo or wastegate and the car having an overboost episode? Even the engine builders will tell you that it could verywell spell the end to the stock liners (which let go at the tops of the piston). heck, even the ver 7 ej207's are not immune to overboost episodes either (a member of the forums just lost his after overboosting on it..perform a search and you will find it). A built sleeved block on the other hand will shrug the abuse off on the other hand.
Yeh... there goes the stock block. The reason why people pay 10K for a built engine is for breathing room for safety and peace of mind's sake, and also reliability when pounding out higher than stock power.
Heck, there is no reason why they could not have saved even more money on the engine front and started with an ej205 with a more conservative tune.... Afterall...it is all in the tune right??;)
| Homemade WRX | 10-22-2006 11:12 AM |
[QUOTE=jigga;15701837]
Yeh... there goes the stock block. The reason why people pay 10K for a built engine is for breathing room for safety and peace of mind's sake, and also reliability when pounding out higher than stock power.[/QUOTE]
hey, someone gets it...well there are other benefits too but that is the biggy
Yeh... there goes the stock block. The reason why people pay 10K for a built engine is for breathing room for safety and peace of mind's sake, and also reliability when pounding out higher than stock power.[/QUOTE]
hey, someone gets it...well there are other benefits too but that is the biggy
| sleepy98 | 10-22-2006 12:27 PM |
So now WE are quoting how honest and truthful the magazines are!? I supposen then RainMaker will be telling us how he agrees 100% with the other magazine article with the 700hp crawford STi?
A little bit of info for you and others, Magazines like TV , sell entertainment, they sell drama. Sure there are probably truths in there, but there are probably non-truths too. It sells more material (air time & magazines).
I'm not sayin I believe those magazine or I don't. They are fun reads and they should be enjoyed. I give credit to companies who get into those magazines and get scrutinized by writers, the readers and the forums gurus :rolleyes:
My question is to all the haters is, where is your car? Why isn't your car at the track, why isn't your car competing in these events?
A little bit of info for you and others, Magazines like TV , sell entertainment, they sell drama. Sure there are probably truths in there, but there are probably non-truths too. It sells more material (air time & magazines).
I'm not sayin I believe those magazine or I don't. They are fun reads and they should be enjoyed. I give credit to companies who get into those magazines and get scrutinized by writers, the readers and the forums gurus :rolleyes:
My question is to all the haters is, where is your car? Why isn't your car at the track, why isn't your car competing in these events?
| RainMaker | 10-22-2006 06:41 PM |
[QUOTE=PA04STI;15700160]...by the way is your ass out their racing if so post some vids and times.[/QUOTE]
[quote=sleepy98]My question is to all the haters is, where is your car? Why isn't your car at the track, why isn't your car competing in these events?[/quote]
You guys have the funniest timing. I just got home from the track (PIR) with the Porsche Club. My V710s are done as of today.
Why am I not competing in the USCC? Because I have a job M-F, Im a father and a husband, I have bills to pay, and no business reason to go.
My point is a simple one, and it's NOT hating. They blew up their 2.7l the night before. Isnt the 2.7l supposed to be the GrandDaddy of durability? Apparently it didnt hold. Brakes, something a track crew SHOULD get, should have been easy to work out. Did they have to use the same pads for all 10 events? I doubt it. Things happen...thats racing, and thats how this event went. My friend Brad won last year with his MR2... I have heard every story 5 times ;) . I race, myself, within the limits of being a Dad and not being independantly wealthy.
Crawford did good. They didnt do great. Thats AOK. There are other issues still that would prevent me from buying an engine from them instead of Cobb, Element, etc. Apparently thats OK because you guys race alot and need engines from them...
right?
[quote=sleepy98]My question is to all the haters is, where is your car? Why isn't your car at the track, why isn't your car competing in these events?[/quote]
You guys have the funniest timing. I just got home from the track (PIR) with the Porsche Club. My V710s are done as of today.
Why am I not competing in the USCC? Because I have a job M-F, Im a father and a husband, I have bills to pay, and no business reason to go.
My point is a simple one, and it's NOT hating. They blew up their 2.7l the night before. Isnt the 2.7l supposed to be the GrandDaddy of durability? Apparently it didnt hold. Brakes, something a track crew SHOULD get, should have been easy to work out. Did they have to use the same pads for all 10 events? I doubt it. Things happen...thats racing, and thats how this event went. My friend Brad won last year with his MR2... I have heard every story 5 times ;) . I race, myself, within the limits of being a Dad and not being independantly wealthy.
Crawford did good. They didnt do great. Thats AOK. There are other issues still that would prevent me from buying an engine from them instead of Cobb, Element, etc. Apparently thats OK because you guys race alot and need engines from them...
right?
| PA04STI | 10-22-2006 08:10 PM |
[QUOTE=RainMaker;15704989]You guys have the funniest timing. I just got home from the track (PIR) with the Porsche Club. My V710s are done as of today.
Why am I not competing in the USCC? Because I have a job M-F, Im a father and a husband, I have bills to pay, and no business reason to go.
My point is a simple one, and it's NOT hating. They blew up their 2.7l the night before. Isnt the 2.7l supposed to be the GrandDaddy of durability? Apparently it didnt hold. Brakes, something a track crew SHOULD get, should have been easy to work out. Did they have to use the same pads for all 10 events? I doubt it. Things happen...thats racing, and thats how this event went. My friend Brad won last year with his MR2... I have heard every story 5 times ;) . I race, myself, within the limits of being a Dad and not being independantly wealthy.
Crawford did good. They didnt do great. Thats AOK. There are other issues still that would prevent me from buying an engine from them instead of Cobb, Element, etc. Apparently thats OK because you guys race alot and need engines from them...
right?[/QUOTE]
I feel you I am in the same boat job no kids or wife yet. Also the cost but next year I may give a few NASA events and other local things a shot would like to get more into it. Also am not wealthy either would be nice...lol
Also scared of if I wreck but thats the name of the beast if you want to do this you gotta face reality thst you msy wreck and it may not even be your fault and insurance will laugh at you.
For me I am sticking stock with a turbo upgrade and a good setup. Upgrading turbo (possible GT2871R or GT2876R or 18G 29G depending, fuel system, & using good EM ECUTek or new Codd AP depending on how it will be and reviews on it. Going to stick with stock engine good convervative tune from a good tuner hopefully 350-400whp range with quick spool.
Matt
Why am I not competing in the USCC? Because I have a job M-F, Im a father and a husband, I have bills to pay, and no business reason to go.
My point is a simple one, and it's NOT hating. They blew up their 2.7l the night before. Isnt the 2.7l supposed to be the GrandDaddy of durability? Apparently it didnt hold. Brakes, something a track crew SHOULD get, should have been easy to work out. Did they have to use the same pads for all 10 events? I doubt it. Things happen...thats racing, and thats how this event went. My friend Brad won last year with his MR2... I have heard every story 5 times ;) . I race, myself, within the limits of being a Dad and not being independantly wealthy.
Crawford did good. They didnt do great. Thats AOK. There are other issues still that would prevent me from buying an engine from them instead of Cobb, Element, etc. Apparently thats OK because you guys race alot and need engines from them...
right?[/QUOTE]
I feel you I am in the same boat job no kids or wife yet. Also the cost but next year I may give a few NASA events and other local things a shot would like to get more into it. Also am not wealthy either would be nice...lol
Also scared of if I wreck but thats the name of the beast if you want to do this you gotta face reality thst you msy wreck and it may not even be your fault and insurance will laugh at you.
For me I am sticking stock with a turbo upgrade and a good setup. Upgrading turbo (possible GT2871R or GT2876R or 18G 29G depending, fuel system, & using good EM ECUTek or new Codd AP depending on how it will be and reviews on it. Going to stick with stock engine good convervative tune from a good tuner hopefully 350-400whp range with quick spool.
Matt
| PA04STI | 10-22-2006 08:12 PM |
[QUOTE=sleepy98;15702391]
My question is to all the haters is, where is your car? Why isn't your car at the track, why isn't your car competing in these events?[/QUOTE]
EXACTLY MY POINT!!!!!!!!!!!
My question is to all the haters is, where is your car? Why isn't your car at the track, why isn't your car competing in these events?[/QUOTE]
EXACTLY MY POINT!!!!!!!!!!!
| badboiWRX | 10-22-2006 08:55 PM |
These guys have too much money... and that is the #1 requirement to even think of playing with these guys. Everything else can be bought... have the car built, have it transported to the track, have someone race it around the track... too much of it is about money.
Here's some advice... if you love cars, go find a job that will pay LOTS and LOTS of money... work hard and make lots of money... then go get your cars and get them built. The amount of money made in other industries really shows how small the aftermarket tuner industry really is...
OR open a tuning shop and hope Mr. Moneybags comes walking in to give you some of his pocket change to build him a race car. Luckily, the industry has become much more mainstream... so Mr. Moneybags and his mid life crisis support group buddies are choosing to buy STi's and get them fully built, instead of buying a Ferrari.
Here's some advice... if you love cars, go find a job that will pay LOTS and LOTS of money... work hard and make lots of money... then go get your cars and get them built. The amount of money made in other industries really shows how small the aftermarket tuner industry really is...
OR open a tuning shop and hope Mr. Moneybags comes walking in to give you some of his pocket change to build him a race car. Luckily, the industry has become much more mainstream... so Mr. Moneybags and his mid life crisis support group buddies are choosing to buy STi's and get them fully built, instead of buying a Ferrari.
| bezerk | 10-22-2006 09:21 PM |
No, some still buy a pretty much stock Ferrari and win against built cars....wasn't this what happened a couple of years ago?
| sleepy98 | 10-22-2006 09:37 PM |
That NSX had Magnesium rims and then there were those breaks..WHOA!!!!! Money was certainly not spared on that car.
| dwx | 10-22-2006 09:49 PM |
[QUOTE=bezerk;15706435]No, some still buy a pretty much stock Ferrari and win against built cars....wasn't this what happened a couple of years ago?[/QUOTE]
Yeah in 2002 an almost-stock 360 Modena won. Only $150k. :)
Yeah in 2002 an almost-stock 360 Modena won. Only $150k. :)
| sidesleeper | 10-22-2006 11:16 PM |
[QUOTE=RainMaker;15704989]You guys have the funniest timing. I just got home from the track (PIR) with the Porsche Club. My V710s are done as of today.
Why am I not competing in the USCC? Because I have a job M-F, Im a father and a husband, I have bills to pay, and no business reason to go.
My point is a simple one, and it's NOT hating. They blew up their 2.7l the night before. Isnt the 2.7l supposed to be the GrandDaddy of durability? Apparently it didnt hold. Brakes, something a track crew SHOULD get, should have been easy to work out. Did they have to use the same pads for all 10 events? I doubt it. Things happen...thats racing, and thats how this event went. My friend Brad won last year with his MR2... I have heard every story 5 times ;) . I race, myself, within the limits of being a Dad and not being independantly wealthy.
Crawford did good. They didnt do great. Thats AOK. There are other issues still that would prevent me from buying an engine from them instead of Cobb, Element, etc. Apparently thats OK because you guys race alot and need engines from them...
right?[/QUOTE]
You do have to understand, stuff does happen...that's building cars. Now what happened? This is purely speculation....but, I think they were probably going to be pushing about 600whp, now at that level of power if your tuning to knock threshold and get any bit of knock the engine will blow no matter how built it is. Since this was a competition they were probably pushing the envelope as far as they could...problem is they went a lil too far. Either way they'll no the limits next time and not do that again.
Why am I not competing in the USCC? Because I have a job M-F, Im a father and a husband, I have bills to pay, and no business reason to go.
My point is a simple one, and it's NOT hating. They blew up their 2.7l the night before. Isnt the 2.7l supposed to be the GrandDaddy of durability? Apparently it didnt hold. Brakes, something a track crew SHOULD get, should have been easy to work out. Did they have to use the same pads for all 10 events? I doubt it. Things happen...thats racing, and thats how this event went. My friend Brad won last year with his MR2... I have heard every story 5 times ;) . I race, myself, within the limits of being a Dad and not being independantly wealthy.
Crawford did good. They didnt do great. Thats AOK. There are other issues still that would prevent me from buying an engine from them instead of Cobb, Element, etc. Apparently thats OK because you guys race alot and need engines from them...
right?[/QUOTE]
You do have to understand, stuff does happen...that's building cars. Now what happened? This is purely speculation....but, I think they were probably going to be pushing about 600whp, now at that level of power if your tuning to knock threshold and get any bit of knock the engine will blow no matter how built it is. Since this was a competition they were probably pushing the envelope as far as they could...problem is they went a lil too far. Either way they'll no the limits next time and not do that again.
| badboiWRX | 10-23-2006 12:03 AM |
[QUOTE=bezerk;15706435]No, some still buy a pretty much stock Ferrari and win against built cars....wasn't this what happened a couple of years ago?[/QUOTE]
i was just stating a trend i've seen in so cal since the STi's hit the market... but a Ferrari still costs money and serves to support my original statement about how it takes all too much money to compete in USCC.
this is why I believe there should be a "total cost" based on exactly how much these companies would charge a customer to build one of these beasts... then throw in a bone stock car of a similar price tag to really see how good these tuners are.
used 360 modena's go for less than $120,000... that NSX must cost upwards of that if i walked in and asked them to build me one. im actually afraid to ask...
i was just stating a trend i've seen in so cal since the STi's hit the market... but a Ferrari still costs money and serves to support my original statement about how it takes all too much money to compete in USCC.
this is why I believe there should be a "total cost" based on exactly how much these companies would charge a customer to build one of these beasts... then throw in a bone stock car of a similar price tag to really see how good these tuners are.
used 360 modena's go for less than $120,000... that NSX must cost upwards of that if i walked in and asked them to build me one. im actually afraid to ask...
| scobaru | 10-23-2006 01:48 AM |
I'm really curious about crawford's tune for 43mpg?
| badboiWRX | 10-23-2006 02:08 AM |
they said its a super lean tune... simple enough. problem is for us to have that capability, it requires us to have ECUTEK + "Easy ECU" + a laptop... which isnt really so affordable, IMO. it can be easier and cheaper with the COBB AP, however I doubt anyone will give you such a lean running map for fear of blowing your engine.
| scobaru | 10-23-2006 03:50 AM |
yah I was more curious the reliabity of it all. if I where able to do such a thing with a standalone it'd only be used for long distance trips out of state with no boost.
| REXLR8 | 10-23-2006 05:46 PM |
crawford did a FANTASTIC job representing subarus this year. you guys wanna hate? hate on the APR car. YEESH! the subaru did great in the road course section. its not crawfords fault they were up against an absolutly incredible NSX. the only things the car didnt have was a nice brake setup and apparently the judges didnt like something about the exterior. they finished 2nd overall, not bad for a subaru in a contest held by a "pro evo " magazine. they even had a quote (which a certian poster forgot to mention!!) "its about time a subaru makes power!"....something along those lines... again. congrats on the great finish crawford!:banana:
| kemon78 | 10-23-2006 07:37 PM |
[QUOTE=sleepy98;15695455]Did crawford have a customer run One Lap last year? I think he took third in class and 8th overall see [url]http://www.onelapofamerica.com/[/url] for the detials.[/QUOTE]
Yep, I ran the one lap with a crawford engine, turbo, and tune. Car performed great, ran a total of 4800 Miles including track mileage. Like the man said, placed 8th overall and third in class behind the Topspeed STi and the AMS Evo. I have nothing but good things to say about Crawford products and their customer service.
Yep, I ran the one lap with a crawford engine, turbo, and tune. Car performed great, ran a total of 4800 Miles including track mileage. Like the man said, placed 8th overall and third in class behind the Topspeed STi and the AMS Evo. I have nothing but good things to say about Crawford products and their customer service.
| Butt Dyno | 10-23-2006 10:17 PM |
[QUOTE=REXLR8;15718026]crawford did a FANTASTIC job representing subarus this year. [/QUOTE]Crawford represents Crawford. I don't recall signing the petition to have them represent Subaru...
| silver arrow | 10-24-2006 11:51 AM |
[QUOTE=ButtDyno;15721626]Crawford represents Crawford. I don't recall signing the petition to have them represent Subaru...[/QUOTE]
I thought a mod would refrain from such petty antics. I have no dealings with Crawford and have read all the threads about them. I would probably choose not to do business with them from the mere fact that they didn't represent themselves as very professional in those threads, but I know that the truth is usually somewhere in the middle when 2 sides bicker. :rolleyes:
I thought a mod would refrain from such petty antics. I have no dealings with Crawford and have read all the threads about them. I would probably choose not to do business with them from the mere fact that they didn't represent themselves as very professional in those threads, but I know that the truth is usually somewhere in the middle when 2 sides bicker. :rolleyes:
| Butt Dyno | 10-24-2006 12:13 PM |
[QUOTE=silver arrow;15727659]I thought a mod would refrain from such petty antics. I have no dealings with Crawford and have read all the threads about them. I would probably choose not to do business with them from the mere fact that they didn't represent themselves as very professional in those threads, but I know that the truth is usually somewhere in the middle when 2 sides bicker. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]I've got no personal beef with Crawford. APR doesn't represent Subaru either. I'm just speaking to the whole "representing" thing. Unless SoA is sponsoring them, they are doing it for themselves, presumably to make $$ off of the press they get out of it. If they do well, it doesn't mean anything about my car. If they suck, it doesn't mean anything about my car. That is all :)
| PA04STI | 10-24-2006 03:51 PM |
[QUOTE=ButtDyno;15727946]I've got no personal beef with Crawford. APR doesn't represent Subaru either. I'm just speaking to the whole "representing" thing. Unless SoA is sponsoring them, they are doing it for themselves, presumably to make $$ off of the press they get out of it. If they do well, it doesn't mean anything about my car. If they suck, it doesn't mean anything about my car. That is all :)[/QUOTE]
No **** isn't that the way with everyone to make $$$$$. How about they represent for the Subaru community cause it is a Subaru.
FIXED
Matt
No **** isn't that the way with everyone to make $$$$$. How about they represent for the Subaru community cause it is a Subaru.
FIXED
Matt
| canosardines | 10-25-2006 02:30 AM |
Good job Crawford Performance / I-Speed USA and if I am not mistaken this is the 2nd time they have been in this event. Love the 42 mpg, even if I could get part of that I could save some money to buy a turbo kit.
They even made 449 whp on the K&N Dyno and on their dyno they make 451 whp, damn, they got themselves a seriously high reading dyno. :rolleyes:
Once again congratulations and hope to see you guys win the event next year!
They even made 449 whp on the K&N Dyno and on their dyno they make 451 whp, damn, they got themselves a seriously high reading dyno. :rolleyes:
Once again congratulations and hope to see you guys win the event next year!
| WRblueX_Guy | 10-25-2006 02:52 AM |
Who came in first place? How did Paul with the R32 Skyline GT-R do?
| iyah_cure | 10-25-2006 04:35 AM |
nsx was first and crawford was second.
| Italiano | 10-25-2006 02:36 PM |
challenge ....
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Forget the Crawford / dyno drama .... the Girlfriend test is were it's at!
yummmy:devil:
I can't wait to go back to Tokyo!
...... carry on :alien:
yummmy:devil:
I can't wait to go back to Tokyo!
...... carry on :alien:
| sleepy98 | 10-25-2006 11:56 PM |
Yup Yup, there needs to be the super hot import model test too!
| canosardines | 10-26-2006 10:49 PM |
So what happened in the braking test? From watching the videos on Crawford's site it seems like the STi brakes pretty damn hard, and catches many race cars doing so, AMS EVO, Caterham, Z06, etc...
| sleepy98 | 10-27-2006 12:06 AM |
Don't race pads need to be heated up in order to bite better?
| WgnWheel | 10-27-2006 12:16 AM |
I heard the braking surface was pretty poor, during the testing.
| sidesleeper | 10-27-2006 12:33 AM |
it was probably a combo of cold pads and poor track conditions.
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