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STi Headlights Exposed part 1

Imprezer 12-24-2001 11:47 PM

STi Headlights Exposed
 
Well, X-Mas is a perfect thing to do what I did. You know, after a good dinner and couple of glasses of fine wine or some other good drink.

I have had these STi headlights since May, but did not really use them, due to the various reasons. First of all, I had the WORST luck with the HID system that I got from [url]www.hidkits.com.[/url] The ballasts blew up 3 times already. And while the company was happy to replace them for me every time, it was very upsetting.

Then, at some point, I was stupid enough to scratch the lense pretty bad. I polished most of it out, but some marks still remained on the healight lense surface.

Finally, the RHD beam pattern did not really do THAT good of a job of improving the road illumination over the stockers.

So I finally pulled them out and decided to "fix" all of these problems before I use them again. I was very afraid to crack them open becase I have never done it before. Today, I felt especially brave (after few drinks, hehe) and decided to open them up. Luckily for me, the stove was still hot after we cooked dinner. The headlight was in the stove for about 15 min and I opened it. It was pretty easy. Simply pry one corner and start cutting the black goo with a razor. Once I opened it and fully disassembled it, I was delighted.

First of all, I can now easialy take the lense to the Plastics shop and have it polished.

Second of all, I can paint the inside peice black to bring the lights to the latest JDM spec.

Third of all, there might be some room inside the assy to keep the ballast in.

Fourth of all, there is plenty of room to install the "halo's" or "angel eye" rings to spice up the look even further.

Finally, the patten making plate is removable and easy assesable. I am thinkning ot dremeling it flat to increase the overall beam pattern. Or, I can shave it flat and install a custom pattern plate that will make the beams perfectly LHD.

In the next few weeks, I will do some work with these lights and document it all. Feel free to ask any questions.

Here are some pics:

[img]http://hosting11.jomax.net/imprezer/images/STi_hl_1.JPG[/img]
[img]http://hosting11.jomax.net/imprezer/images/STi_hl_2.JPG[/img]
[img]http://hosting11.jomax.net/imprezer/images/STi_hl_3.JPG[/img]
[img]http://hosting11.jomax.net/imprezer/images/STi_hl_4.JPG[/img]
[img]http://hosting11.jomax.net/imprezer/images/STi_hl_5.JPG[/img]
[img]http://hosting11.jomax.net/imprezer/images/STi_hl_8.JPG[/img]
SQUAD_907 12-24-2001 11:57 PM

where are the pics? i wanna see! :(
aspera 12-25-2001 12:31 AM

May I have the honor of asking the first stupid question?
 
Mr. President,
Is the plate the only thing that makes the lights LHD or RHD? Is it reversible, or does it have to be modified?

Is there room for a colored lens like those used for nightclub lighting (MR16)? One red and one blue lens might be fun. hehe

What are angel eyes?
Elite421 12-25-2001 01:09 AM

Angel eyes are what BMW uses as daytime running lights. Check it out [URL=http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=125774]here[/URL]

can't wait to see the pics!
Alex
Kostamojen 12-25-2001 03:07 AM

I was wondering why they werent on your car at LSIR track day :p
atomicapples 12-25-2001 03:35 AM

awaiting more post~!

thanks for this info...
grandmasterchan 12-25-2001 12:46 PM

It's funny how that one plate determines the whole beam pattern.

Doesn't look like it will be to hard for a machinist or yourself for that matter to make a new plate.

Alex you are a brave(drunk), brave(drunk) man for having the testicular fortitude to open your lights.

Where is there room to insert the ballasts? I have mine mounted behind my lights.

I'm very interested in seeing what can be done here in terms of the ballasts.


I'd say keep the black chrome Alex. They only came like that one year. How rare is that?
shawrf1 12-25-2001 01:41 PM

Nice job, Alex! Like grandmasterchan said, You've got huge cajones for working up the courage to do that to your projectors!

If you're really interested in having them matte black, I'll gladly swap the mask pieces with you! Do you plan on coming down to SoCal anytime soon?

BTW, Merry Christmas, everyone!

Rob
ashtaron14 12-25-2001 02:20 PM

How come on the last pic suddenly the person holding the item has long nails... lol... they sure grow fast... :lol:
Imprezer 12-25-2001 02:27 PM

Yeah, I was thinking the same. I will keep the black chrome. ;) Or, I might trade with Swarf. ;)

OEM, the HID parts come in two separate peices. The igniter is mounter inside the HL assy (its about 2"x1"x0.75"). Then the ballast is moutned outside the HL assy. That is why the HL alone cost that much. Because they have igniters inside. Thats at least $150 per side extra.

I would like to see what these stock igniters are capable of. If they are good, them I can keep them inside and get an external ballasts which are cheap and small.

The problem is, that after the igniter, the DC auto voltage becomes mega AMPed AC voltage. It has a tendancy to "leak" and weaken your HID bulb output and start up. The trick is to keep the wire from the igniter as short as possible and as insulated as possible. The wire from the ballast to the igniter can be a regular 16ga wire.

I can also see if I can find a ballast w/ internal igniter that is small enough to fit inside the headlight. Something 2"x1"x0.75" in size maybe. Can I make one myself with Radio Shack parts?

About the beam pattern plate. Yes, I can easialy make one. I can even make one with Batman logo cut out and have the superhero come to my resque everytime I turn them on. ;)

Give me some more ideas, guys. If you want more detailed pics, let me know.

-Alex the drunk
Zahnster 12-25-2001 02:49 PM

As far as the Halo light idea, is there a specific kit you have in mind? Are you actually going to try to set it up to use the Halo light as the DRL?

This is very cool, keep it up...
ellisnc 12-25-2001 03:14 PM

you should try to rig up something that flips the beam pattern plate down so you can have high beam HID as well :)

I was going to tell you to cut your finger nails too :D

btw, can you tell me what company makes the headlight assy?
I've got connections with a lot of japanese suppliers, maybe I can get the hook-up

I'm trying with Denso as well

thanks
Imprezer 12-25-2001 03:35 PM

I will check the name of the manufacturer for you.

The hand is my GF's. ;) I figured it is prettier than my ugly hand. ;)

The halo's will be custom made. I have an idea I am going to try to work with.

-Alex
ellisnc 12-25-2001 05:51 PM

what does she say about your car obsession?? :)

I think most of our girlfriends think we're just freaks, hehe
topcover 12-25-2001 05:57 PM

Alex -

I knew I waited for the JDM lights for a reason! I'm looking forward to reading your report getting the "angeleye" lights put in! Damn exciting. :cool:

BTW, ever think about becoming a hand model? :lol:
LA 12-25-2001 11:33 PM

how much those bad boys cost u
quentinberg007 12-26-2001 12:24 AM

you are very productive after a few drinks....

i puke, pick fights with guys much larger than my 135 lb. 5'8" frame, and yell when i'm intoxicated.... haha

Quentin

needless to say, i don't drink much....
Zahnster 12-26-2001 10:42 AM

Should we make this thread sticky? It drops down this page too quickly for my liking....

Just a thought...
Jung918 12-26-2001 07:21 PM

in the last picture you have long nails? is their something your note telling us? maybe too much to drink?
Mike M 12-26-2001 08:00 PM

Alex, if I can toss in a humble and unrequested opinion...

I'd stay away from the "halo" lighting on the car. Really, because it's a BMW thing, it will look as out of place on a Subaru as a "Powered by Mugen" sticker would look on an SE-R. (I'm not implying that you are going r*ce, but I think you get my point.) As a BMW owner and enthusiast, I question the need for them even on the newer 5 series. My mom has a 530i, and while they look cool, they just don't do much.

Not that you seem to have any qualms about spending money on your car ;) , but I just think you could invest better elsewhere.

So, there it is, and it's worth exactly what you paid for it....:lol:
Imprezer 12-27-2001 12:08 AM

I don't think I am going with the halo's after all. I just don't think I have enough patience to do it. It will not cost a lot at all. I was thinking to go to the plastics shop and have them bend a plexyglass rob for me in a shape of a O with 2 legs on the bottom, then drill the end and install the LED's in it. But, I will have to modify the reflector and I don't want to do this.

The hand is not mine. It is my GF's. ;) This is the second time I am saying this.

-Alex
lethargicman 12-27-2001 02:38 AM

Who's hand was that again? :lol::lol::lol: Ok, ok.

-Jason SDC
skerman 12-28-2001 03:56 PM

Now that the STi headlight have been exposed in great detail, would someone (manufacturer, vendor, etc) PLEASE create some replicas!!!

Skerman
Accurit Performance 12-28-2001 06:54 PM

Imprezer
 
Imprezer - what kinda HIDs did u use so far?

i may have one u can try....


Acc
GDA 12-28-2001 07:05 PM

lol smirnoff, how classic.

EJ20WRX
Imprezer 12-28-2001 09:09 PM

Smirnoff rules. ;) I prefer Stoli, but Kartboy drank it all. ;)

Accruit, I have use the HIDKITS kit. I hate it with passion. What do you have for me to try? I need just the ballasts/igniters. I got the bulbs. D2S.

-Alex
Accurit Performance 12-28-2001 10:24 PM

hmmm


i never heard of that brand.....=P i sell Vision and IPF....Vision u prolly kno about...IPF is a high quality brand its more money but possibly better off and have no probs with it....i sold a few vision kits and also had ballasts probs....i haven t had a chance to import IPF but i will soon(they make a H4 dual beam HID kit)

once i get the IPF one in i ll drop u a PM....


and the bulbs u got form that co prolly wont be compatible with any other ballast and ignitors usually all HID kits use their own bulbs....

u have a pic of the HID kit?


Acc
DeliciouSpeed 12-30-2001 09:49 AM

Stoli, definitely the best. I'd have drained it as well while tapping the neck ;) .

My opinion, go with the black inner housing.

Ken
sherifx 01-02-2002 12:00 AM

Hey Imprezer, are the JDM STi HID headlights adjustable? I would like to know before I order a set and I'm stuck blinding people to the left of me :) Thanks

-sherif
Snipe 01-02-2002 05:13 AM

Here it is!!! My first post!!!!! Hooray for me.

Imprezer: Where did you get the lights and how much were they?

It's too bad I didn't have my WRX in November (and still don't) or I could have picked up some JDM stuff when I was in Japan. Oh well, just one more great reason to make another trip!!!
topcover 01-02-2002 01:36 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Snipe [/i]
[B]Here it is!!! My first post!!!!! Hooray for me.

Imprezer: Where did you get the lights and how much were they?

It's too bad I didn't have my WRX in November (and still don't) or I could have picked up some JDM stuff when I was in Japan. Oh well, just one more great reason to make another trip!!! [/B][/QUOTE]

Snipe -

Welcome to the board. If you do a search on "JDM and headlights" you can find a lot of info on the JDM lights (both HID and non-HID). A couple of vendors are selling the lights TaiChih (personal/vendor ads) and [url]www.vividracing.com[/url] for about $925 shipped.

Good luck and enjoy!
Bobora 01-06-2002 01:44 AM

Just wondering! Because these lenses are projector type. When the lights shine through the lense doesn't the beam pattern get turned upside down. So when you machine the pattern piece don't you have to visualize it upside down?

Also if your original headlight lenses are in good shape, couldn't you just swap those out with your hid lense covers?
iceweazel 01-07-2002 05:25 PM

Was this a Non-hid housing originally? I didn't see anything
that looked like the JDM with the leveling motor and whatnot.

Ed
DarthChicken 03-08-2002 01:24 AM

This post has been dead for a while, but...

Imprezer, did you take pictures of how you converted the plates over to make these LHD? or any recommendations? My lights will be here next week, so I'm curious about what seems to be the best way to do this.

Also, anything special about the wiring? I would assume you have to do your own wiring harness - do the wire colors match up?
CadenceX 03-17-2002 03:16 PM

bump
this thread was good
ellisnc 03-17-2002 05:44 PM

we'll be flooded with LHD lights in a matter of months for $650 almost guaranteed, but for those people with RHD lights already this is a good thread
128d 03-18-2002 10:03 AM

Am I the only one who can't see the pics? :confused:
mr2guru 04-04-2002 12:24 AM

bumpitty
BlueWRXagon 04-27-2002 12:04 AM

JDM install with aftermarket HID
 
Damn, I guess I'm late to this party...hopefully the people who have aleady installed this are still reading this at some point...I'm having some trouble installing my JDMs with aftermarket HID kit...I'm not quite sure where to start wiring and what to splice where...can anybody help me out with some answers...? Would be greatly appreciated...
pete98m3 06-01-2002 11:30 PM

ehhh i don't like those mixed drinker things that much... they're ok for an opener, but the real thing will always prevail...

the grey goose martini, shaken.

no other way can you drink straight hard liqour without a not so great taste... the only other option is to drink so much that u no longer find the taste of straight alchohol bad. lol, been there before, namely 1st semester freshman year.


anyways.. as for the HID's, its usually better to buy the good thing in the first place and not buy it 2, 3, 4, and so on times. that and i hate hassles and the embaresment of a headlight out... **** always happens to me when i've got the GF / date / whatever in the car, lol...


the bmw rings aren't THAT easy to copy... some of the problems people have been having is that its hard to get them bright and even all the way around the ring... there was an attempt to make them using a glowing ****... ehh whats it called.... u know, like indiglo... that wasn't nearly bright enough though and there were a lot of pissed off customers...

like was said the bmw rings use a LED to light, and the ring itself is a fiberoptic cable infused in a plastic ring, which dissipates some light off the corrugated back as you go around... its not super high tech it just takes some tinkering to get right thats all...

i'm pretty sure the fiber optic cable is essential to get an EVEN light, i think a few people ahve tried just a plastic ring and found that it dimmed badly at the top...


whoever suggested HID high beams... some of the bimmer guys have been doing this... its great, EXCEPT you can't bright people anymore :( . BMW (as always, tinkering away) solved this by adding not only the HID high beam but also incorperated a conventional high beam specifically for brighting... i think when you pull back on the stalk it brights, and when you click it forward into on it fires the real high beams. wiring that aftermarket would be... uhhh, a serious project. (btw thats on the new 7 series)

oh, PS... if you can't afford grey goose for ur martini go with Kettle One... close second, except in price. ;)
Petron GH WRX 02 06-04-2002 11:07 PM

pics of CONVERTED RHD to LHD
 
Imprezer do you have pics of the beam pattern you converted?

Im thinking of opening mine I just got it though and its blinding the cars on th other lane and im still on non HID projectors. (im getting my HID kit soon) .

what part did you dremel from the pic before I get drunk n open it;)

do you have a pic after you modified your reflector?

why does my JDM lights didnt come with motors to adj hight level?
ellisnc 06-05-2002 06:03 AM

just FYI, his car hasn't been on the road or off jackstands I don't think for the past 6-8 months
Sokudo 08-25-2002 11:07 PM

so what happened Alex? we're waiting for this project!!
Schleppy 08-25-2002 11:40 PM

Crazyness! Taking apart 600+ dollar lights and modding the pants off em! I love it! Hardcore :D

Keep us posted!
zacek 08-26-2002 03:06 PM

I have always been tempted to open apart my JDM Headlamps to get rid of the RHD pattern and make it a FLAT pattern. A FLAT pattern is way better looking than either RHD or LHD. You just have to dramel that piece of metal really CAREFULLY. The only problem is.... how do you put the headlamp back together? silicon?
zacek 08-26-2002 03:57 PM

oh yeah! for those wondering for the harness here it is:

[url]http://deepthought.carumba.org/~jimhoyd/jimhoyddesign[/url]

The pics posted at the beginning of this thread look like non-HID lamps. To be honest is better to buy these lights cause they r cheaper, get a retro-fit HID kit such as the McCulloch, get the harness from the previous link and then if u feel like like, dremel the projector cover in a FLAT pattern and re-adjust beam height.
WAlude 08-26-2002 06:26 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Imprezer [/i]
[B]

About the beam pattern plate. Yes, I can easialy make one. I can even make one with Batman logo cut out and have the superhero come to my resque everytime I turn them on. ;)

Give me some more ideas, guys. If you want more detailed pics, let me know.

-Alex the drunk [/B][/QUOTE]


Batman! hmm... I dunno about that.

But now I want to take apart my projectors and find a really tiny drill bit so I can drill holes in that plate... I would have like little stars coming out of my lights. that might look kind of cool.
128d 08-28-2002 03:26 PM

I am also intrested in "adjusting" my beam patern.
jlogan9 08-28-2002 05:01 PM

me too, I would love to get projectors, and it would be nice if I could convert them to a flat projection, rather than left/right hand drive!

Jeff
Ghomer1 08-28-2002 06:07 PM

This is gonna sound really newbie-ish, but I'll go ahead and ask cause I'm curious. What's difference does what side of the car you're driving from matter. Shouldn't the lighting be cast evenly on the road in front of you? I'm a little confused.

G
Ralph324 08-28-2002 06:12 PM

If you have LHD the right-hand beam is higher and a little to the right of the road to display road signs and such. The opposite holds true for RHD. So, picture RHD lights in a LHD car. You'll be blinding on-coming drivers. This can be visually demonstrated by shining your beams against a wall or garage door. You will see the beam patterns clearly.
WAlude 08-28-2002 07:36 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jlogan9 [/i]
[B]me too, I would love to get projectors, and it would be nice if I could convert them to a flat projection, rather than left/right hand drive!

Jeff [/B][/QUOTE]


Why would you want it to be flat? LHD pattern is best for our roads.

Otherwise it really won't light up signs and such as well as it should.
-=Ph/\t WRX=- 08-28-2002 08:45 PM

Is there a reason why Imprezer won't reply to this thread?
paultg 08-28-2002 09:19 PM

If you check out the main page, he is busy getting his car ready for an event on Sept. 7th. His car is his project, he shares it with us when he has time. Not the other way around. :)

Paul G.
-=Ph/\t WRX=- 08-29-2002 12:12 AM

What do you mean by the other way around? What other way is there?

What His project is his car? Or when we have time he shares it?

HAHAHA I don't understand what you are saying.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by paultg [/i]
[B]If you check out the main page, he is busy getting his car ready for an event on Sept. 7th. His car is his project, he shares it with us when he has time. Not the other way around. :)

Paul G. [/B][/QUOTE]
Dyno Mutt 08-29-2002 02:20 AM

Beam Pattern
 
I was wanting to modify mine as well, but I was wondering how much the sides of that metal piece in the middle of the projector assembly has an effect on the light/focus direction. If you look at the close up pics he posted, that metal piece does not appear to be symmetrical. It looks as if it is a little smaller on the bottom/right side, in the pic. If it is just me, I apologize for being blind. I have no idea, why they made them that way. Even if they were LHD lights, I probably wouldn't have liked the fact that it focused the light the other way. Also, those that have them, how did you aim them without taking out the battery ? I am having a difficult time getting a socket or wrench to that bottom adjustment point. I believe it moves them up and down, where as the top one moves them left and right ? Please correct me if I am wrong.

Thanks in advance,

Jeremy :confused:
Turbo Tin Can 11-03-2002 12:22 AM

did u actually finish changing the beam pattern ect?
NeedaWRX 11-04-2002 12:10 AM

This was a really cool thread, what happened to it? Kinda just died out huh? Well I've been searching but I can't seem to find and info on converting the RHD to LHD. I'm sure there are some really skilled machinists here that could cut a few new plates to make the RHD -> LHD. Maybe this will make the need for LHD lights from europe unneccesary?


Mike
WRXerist 11-04-2002 04:14 PM

Can someone shed some light on me what does it mean to shave the metal plate "flat." Does it mean just take that metal plate to the sand grinder and grind it down flat so the beam pattern would be leveled? Is this there is to do to make the beam pattern look like a LHD or just level off?
Turbo Tin Can 11-04-2002 07:38 PM

I was thinking this, when i was a kid i broke the case on my motox bike, i used liquid metal to fix the hole. It held fine for years. Shave it flat, make a mold and fill the parts to make it lhd, let it dry and dremel some. In theory it will work.

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