| Crawford/I-Speed | 03-17-2006 08:27 PM |
The Rivalry, Crawford STi vs. Muellerized EVO, Part 1 & Part 2
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Recently we attended a Time Attack Challenge (March 4th and 5th) held by Redline track events and Modified Magazine at California motor Speedway. We had a few Crawford Performance customers show up who were more than eager to see what there cars were capable of. These vehicles included an otherwise stock 2006 STI with a re-programmed ECU, a 2005 Legacy GT with a Crawford LGT CP32 twin scroll turbo kit, a 2005 STI with Crawford S4 package (CP30R turbo kit and accessories), and a 2005 STI with a 2.8L R4 motor with our CP35R turbo kit. Three of the four cars drove to and from the event. The R4 was actually trailored in and out.
[IMG]http://www.i-speed.us/gallery/images/mike_06.jpg[/IMG]
The Muellerized R4-CP35R
Quirt's Legacy GT actually drove quite well with his Cusco Zero2R�s. All he needed was better tires and he would have gotten better times.
Much to the amazement of the Sti/S4-CP30R owner, he won his class. Not too shabby for a first time track driver with RE-730s and stock brakes.
The biggest stir of the day was from the Crawford R4-CP35R. Certainly it wasn�t the graphics that got everyone�s attention. Rather it was the fact that the car was haling butt all over the track. In fact the R4 was giving a few people, like the Muellerized EVO, some good competition. This was also the R4�s first time on the track.
The Crawford R4-CP35R ended up running in unlimited class with Hoosiers (245 width) and a mildly tuned suspension, the EVO was running a cool wide body kit with Hoosiers (295-width) and a dialed in suspension by Road Race Engineering's own John Mueller. That EVO is dam fast!
Anyway, here is a small video of some of the action that took place.
[SIZE=2][B][URL=http://www.crawfordperformance.com/gallery/video/the_rivalry_part_2.wmv]The Rivalry - Part 1[/URL][/B][/SIZE]
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Added: 05/10/06
We received the in car video and clipped out the part everyone at the track was talking about. The begining starts off with a conversation between the two drivers and then off to the track to see who's boss. Now you can see how the whole EVO vs. STi battle went down at the Redline Time Attack held in March 2006.
[SIZE=2][B][URL=http://www.crawfordperformance.com/gallery/video/the_rivalry_part_1.wmv]The Rivalry - Part 2[/URL][/B][/SIZE]
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Here are the standings as quoted from - [url]http://redlinetimeattack.com/index-R.htm[/url]
[B]Final Standings[/B]
Unlimited Class AWD:
1st place/Overall Champion-XS Engineering Skyline R32 Tarzan Yamada 1:07.672
2nd place: Road Race EVO 8 - Kent Jordan 1:10.799
3rd place: Subaru WRX-STi - Creg Dabbs Barber Driving Instructor 1:11.217
Though it was the fastest Subaru there, we feel there is still room for improvment:) Until next time!
Cheers,
I-Speed USA
edited for clarity - Chris :)
[IMG]http://www.i-speed.us/gallery/images/mike_06.jpg[/IMG]
The Muellerized R4-CP35R
Quirt's Legacy GT actually drove quite well with his Cusco Zero2R�s. All he needed was better tires and he would have gotten better times.
Much to the amazement of the Sti/S4-CP30R owner, he won his class. Not too shabby for a first time track driver with RE-730s and stock brakes.
The biggest stir of the day was from the Crawford R4-CP35R. Certainly it wasn�t the graphics that got everyone�s attention. Rather it was the fact that the car was haling butt all over the track. In fact the R4 was giving a few people, like the Muellerized EVO, some good competition. This was also the R4�s first time on the track.
The Crawford R4-CP35R ended up running in unlimited class with Hoosiers (245 width) and a mildly tuned suspension, the EVO was running a cool wide body kit with Hoosiers (295-width) and a dialed in suspension by Road Race Engineering's own John Mueller. That EVO is dam fast!
Anyway, here is a small video of some of the action that took place.
[SIZE=2][B][URL=http://www.crawfordperformance.com/gallery/video/the_rivalry_part_2.wmv]The Rivalry - Part 1[/URL][/B][/SIZE]
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Added: 05/10/06
We received the in car video and clipped out the part everyone at the track was talking about. The begining starts off with a conversation between the two drivers and then off to the track to see who's boss. Now you can see how the whole EVO vs. STi battle went down at the Redline Time Attack held in March 2006.
[SIZE=2][B][URL=http://www.crawfordperformance.com/gallery/video/the_rivalry_part_1.wmv]The Rivalry - Part 2[/URL][/B][/SIZE]
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Here are the standings as quoted from - [url]http://redlinetimeattack.com/index-R.htm[/url]
[B]Final Standings[/B]
Unlimited Class AWD:
1st place/Overall Champion-XS Engineering Skyline R32 Tarzan Yamada 1:07.672
2nd place: Road Race EVO 8 - Kent Jordan 1:10.799
3rd place: Subaru WRX-STi - Creg Dabbs Barber Driving Instructor 1:11.217
Though it was the fastest Subaru there, we feel there is still room for improvment:) Until next time!
Cheers,
I-Speed USA
edited for clarity - Chris :)
| AJS | 03-17-2006 08:35 PM |
[QUOTE=I-Speed USA]
We put a little video together for you to see what happened...
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I watched the video...what happened?
We put a little video together for you to see what happened...
[/QUOTE]
I watched the video...what happened?
| thechoochman28 | 03-17-2006 08:40 PM |
i agree what did happen? Post the results so we can see did the evo or the sti win....it looked like a close race though. John Mueller is a hard man to beat.
| AndrewSS | 03-17-2006 08:50 PM |
nice video talk about curbing with that evo... lol 2 wheeling it
| Crawford/I-Speed | 03-17-2006 08:54 PM |
[QUOTE=AJS]I watched the video...what happened?[/QUOTE]
OK, we updated the results, sorry about that.
Cheers,
I-Speed USA
OK, we updated the results, sorry about that.
Cheers,
I-Speed USA
| Javier | 03-18-2006 02:02 PM |
Cool vid. I'm not surprised that the evo beat the sti... The driver was definitely pushing harder and just driving that bit better. Good stuff though!
| import111 | 03-18-2006 05:53 PM |
Nice video
| flyboymike | 03-19-2006 01:15 AM |
I like the music choice with the vid. 2 wheeling the Evo... I think that guy might've been insane.
| Patrick Olsen | 03-19-2006 08:15 AM |
That Evo has about zero body roll - except when 2 wheels are in the air! :eek: Pretty sweet wide-body kit, too, not sure how it looked in person but in the video it looked like a more aggressive factory body.
| Slappie | 03-19-2006 10:20 AM |
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Pretty nice.
I liked the still pic of the evo taking the short line right over the rumble. I would not choose that line unless I was avoiding a crash. The two wheel shot is pretty cool too.
The sti sounds too good. :eek: How much cash is in that powerplant?
Is more juice, or better handling what it's gonna take?
Rich
I liked the still pic of the evo taking the short line right over the rumble. I would not choose that line unless I was avoiding a crash. The two wheel shot is pretty cool too.
The sti sounds too good. :eek: How much cash is in that powerplant?
Is more juice, or better handling what it's gonna take?
Rich
| Crawford Performance | 03-20-2006 12:27 PM |
[QUOTE=Slappie]Pretty nice.
The sti sounds too good. :eek: How much cash is in that powerplant?
Is more juice, or better handling what it's gonna take?
Rich[/QUOTE]
Thanks Rich,
The 2.8L R4 has a rumble like no other motor we build, and the cost of this one was not to bad as everything on the motor was stock except for the short block, head studs and our CP35R Turbo Kit.
The answer to your second question,,,, it�s gonna take more of everything to beat Muller�s EVO. :)
Quirt Crawford
[url]www.crawfordperformance.com[/url]
The sti sounds too good. :eek: How much cash is in that powerplant?
Is more juice, or better handling what it's gonna take?
Rich[/QUOTE]
Thanks Rich,
The 2.8L R4 has a rumble like no other motor we build, and the cost of this one was not to bad as everything on the motor was stock except for the short block, head studs and our CP35R Turbo Kit.
The answer to your second question,,,, it�s gonna take more of everything to beat Muller�s EVO. :)
Quirt Crawford
[url]www.crawfordperformance.com[/url]
| Muellerized... | 03-20-2006 02:50 PM |
[QUOTE=I-Speed USA]The Crawford R4-CP35R ended up running in unlimited class with Hoosiers (245 width) and a mildly tuned suspension, [/QUOTE]
You left out a key part about the Crawford/Crabtree entry, it spent the 2 days preceeding the Time Attack at my shop getting its suspension dialed in with a California Speedway infield course specific set-up. Everything from tire/wheel choice, alignment, spring rates, corner weights etc were specified and dialed in by my team, and the results speak for themselves. The next step for this car is the new set of Moton double adjustable Club Sports that I have for the Crawford/Crabtree team, stay tuned for updates.
The easiest way to run with my Evo is to Muellerize one's Subaru. ;)
You left out a key part about the Crawford/Crabtree entry, it spent the 2 days preceeding the Time Attack at my shop getting its suspension dialed in with a California Speedway infield course specific set-up. Everything from tire/wheel choice, alignment, spring rates, corner weights etc were specified and dialed in by my team, and the results speak for themselves. The next step for this car is the new set of Moton double adjustable Club Sports that I have for the Crawford/Crabtree team, stay tuned for updates.
The easiest way to run with my Evo is to Muellerize one's Subaru. ;)
| javid | 03-20-2006 05:01 PM |
Interesting rivalry....
Muellerized: you find you need much of a setup difference between the two cars with respect to the different diff setups?
Muellerized: you find you need much of a setup difference between the two cars with respect to the different diff setups?
| ratt_finkel | 03-20-2006 05:19 PM |
Holy bouncy suspension!
| Muellerized... | 03-20-2006 07:57 PM |
[QUOTE=javid]Interesting rivalry....
Muellerized: you find you need much of a setup difference between the two cars with respect to the different diff setups?[/QUOTE]
Yep. :)
Muellerized: you find you need much of a setup difference between the two cars with respect to the different diff setups?[/QUOTE]
Yep. :)
| STi-MAN | 03-20-2006 08:03 PM |
[QUOTE=Muellerized...]Yep. :)[/QUOTE]
so you guys work on subies now?? hmmmm.
so you guys work on subies now?? hmmmm.
| Crawford Performance | 03-20-2006 08:46 PM |
[QUOTE=Muellerized...]You left out a key part about the Crawford/Crabtree entry, it spent the 2 days preceeding the Time Attack at my shop getting its suspension dialed in with a California Speedway infield course specific set-up. Everything from tire/wheel choice, alignment, spring rates, corner weights etc were specified and dialed in by my team, and the results speak for themselves. The next step for this car is the new set of Moton double adjustable Club Sports that I have for the Crawford/Crabtree team, stay tuned for updates.
The easiest way to run with my Evo is to Muellerize one's Subaru. ;)[/QUOTE]
We left the info out so you could properly fill it in ;)
How many days will you need the STI for to install / setup the Moton's for PIR?
Quirt Crawford
Crawford Performance
The easiest way to run with my Evo is to Muellerize one's Subaru. ;)[/QUOTE]
We left the info out so you could properly fill it in ;)
How many days will you need the STI for to install / setup the Moton's for PIR?
Quirt Crawford
Crawford Performance
| grippgoat | 03-20-2006 09:19 PM |
[QUOTE=Crawford Performance]How many days will you need the STI for to install / setup the Moton's for PIR?
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PIR = Portland, or Phoenix?
-Mike
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PIR = Portland, or Phoenix?
-Mike
| Crawford Performance | 03-20-2006 09:23 PM |
In seven weeks it will be Phoenix :)
Quirt
Quirt
| Muellerized... | 03-20-2006 11:02 PM |
[QUOTE=STi-MAN]so you guys work on subies now?? hmmmm.[/QUOTE]
We have quietly dialed in Subarus for several years, including winning Pike's Peak with our road racing suspension under Stephan Verdier's WRX.
We have quietly dialed in Subarus for several years, including winning Pike's Peak with our road racing suspension under Stephan Verdier's WRX.
| Muellerized... | 03-20-2006 11:06 PM |
[QUOTE=Crawford Performance]We left the info out so you could properly fill it in ;)
How many days will you need the STI for to install / setup the Moton's for PIR?
Quirt Crawford
Crawford Performance[/QUOTE]
I prefer to schedule our work over the phone, not in messageboardland. :)
When you have the car running, give me a call.
Thanks.
How many days will you need the STI for to install / setup the Moton's for PIR?
Quirt Crawford
Crawford Performance[/QUOTE]
I prefer to schedule our work over the phone, not in messageboardland. :)
When you have the car running, give me a call.
Thanks.
| subaru_wrxwagon | 03-21-2006 12:21 AM |
where is the link for the video??
| supermarkus | 03-21-2006 12:27 AM |
[QUOTE=subaru_wrxwagon]where is the link for the video??[/QUOTE]
You're kidding right?
You're kidding right?
| subaru_wrxwagon | 03-21-2006 12:46 AM |
lol, saw it yesterday and was scrolling down too fast today, thought it was a http link heh. nm
| duncangrant | 03-21-2006 07:36 AM |
[QUOTE=ratt_finkel]Holy bouncy suspension![/QUOTE] Indeed
| DemolitionNine | 03-21-2006 08:24 AM |
Maybe if the Scooby driver was cutting corners, he'd have a cheater's time too.
lol.
Looks like the Evo had the tire advantage... those look like 265 or greater width tires stuffed under there.
lol.
Looks like the Evo had the tire advantage... those look like 265 or greater width tires stuffed under there.
| WRXedUSA | 03-21-2006 09:38 AM |
[QUOTE=DemolitionNine]Maybe if the Scooby driver was cutting corners, he'd have a cheater's time too.
lol.
Looks like the Evo had the tire advantage... those look like 265 or greater width tires stuffed under there.[/QUOTE]
My thoughts exactly.
I understand more spring rate in the back, swaybars up front to make the car turn, but I felt the subaru wasn't attached to the pavement in the rear.
lol.
Looks like the Evo had the tire advantage... those look like 265 or greater width tires stuffed under there.[/QUOTE]
My thoughts exactly.
I understand more spring rate in the back, swaybars up front to make the car turn, but I felt the subaru wasn't attached to the pavement in the rear.
| leecea | 03-21-2006 10:06 AM |
The first post says 245 on the STi and 295 on the Evo.
Either way, they were a lot slower than the Skyline :eek:
Either way, they were a lot slower than the Skyline :eek:
| solo-x | 03-21-2006 01:09 PM |
eh, looks fun, but i'm not impressed. the lap times were quick because of the power levels of the cars, not because they were exceptionally well driven or handled particularly well. i'm not a big fan of buying lap times. wouldn't mind watching some in car of the skyline though! :D
nate
nate
| Crawford Performance | 03-21-2006 05:59 PM |
Buying lap times :confused:
Quirt
Quirt
| solo-x | 03-21-2006 06:51 PM |
buying laptimes = spending a lot of money on the car to make it fast instead of just driving it better
the driving mistakes were well hidden by the power in both cars. i'm used to driving cars/karts that have very little power and make your mistakes painfully obvious. having a jagillion hp seems like cheating to me. i'm not judging you, it's just not me. bring 200hp to the fight and come within a tenth or two of the skyline and i'll be like "da-amn! can i have your kids??" :D
nate
the driving mistakes were well hidden by the power in both cars. i'm used to driving cars/karts that have very little power and make your mistakes painfully obvious. having a jagillion hp seems like cheating to me. i'm not judging you, it's just not me. bring 200hp to the fight and come within a tenth or two of the skyline and i'll be like "da-amn! can i have your kids??" :D
nate
| jigga | 03-21-2006 07:08 PM |
[QUOTE=solo-x] i'll be like "da-amn! can i have your kids??" :D[/QUOTE]
hmmmm........ :huh:
hmmmm........ :huh:
| MPME | 03-21-2006 07:20 PM |
[QUOTE=solo-x]buying laptimes = spending a lot of money on the car to make it fast instead of just driving it better
the driving mistakes were well hidden by the power in both cars. i'm used to driving cars/karts that have very little power and make your mistakes painfully obvious. having a jagillion hp seems like cheating to me. i'm not judging you, it's just not me. bring 200hp to the fight and come within a tenth or two of the skyline and i'll be like "da-amn! can i have your kids??" :D
nate[/QUOTE]
How about putting a lot of money into one's car to go faster, and also learning to drive it faster? The assumption here is that these are drivers with money but no skills.
Who's to say they aren't learning to handle these cars better and better each time they drive? I'm not claiming the maD skillZ displayed by either was overwhelming, but slamming them becuase they aren't putting around in low HP cars is a little off.
the driving mistakes were well hidden by the power in both cars. i'm used to driving cars/karts that have very little power and make your mistakes painfully obvious. having a jagillion hp seems like cheating to me. i'm not judging you, it's just not me. bring 200hp to the fight and come within a tenth or two of the skyline and i'll be like "da-amn! can i have your kids??" :D
nate[/QUOTE]
How about putting a lot of money into one's car to go faster, and also learning to drive it faster? The assumption here is that these are drivers with money but no skills.
Who's to say they aren't learning to handle these cars better and better each time they drive? I'm not claiming the maD skillZ displayed by either was overwhelming, but slamming them becuase they aren't putting around in low HP cars is a little off.
| kjslider | 03-21-2006 08:05 PM |
Quirt, First post on these forums. Just want to let you know I had fun racing against that fine Subbie of yours! You and your guys seem like a great group and I look forward to more fun times at the track. Man, that car has some serious power. There were a few super quick wrx's there that day. Yours was the best handling/driven of the Sub's I witnessed.
Sorry about throwing that cone up at ya! I cracked up again seeing the pic of the Muellerized sticker covering up the booboo!!!
Say hey to your guys.
-Kent aka Muellerized #92
Sorry about throwing that cone up at ya! I cracked up again seeing the pic of the Muellerized sticker covering up the booboo!!!
Say hey to your guys.
-Kent aka Muellerized #92
| tsarte | 03-21-2006 08:12 PM |
The video was ok but I prefer my in-car videos.
Did you guys announce this event ahead of time. I would have loved to show up and provide some support.
Did you guys announce this event ahead of time. I would have loved to show up and provide some support.
| leecea | 03-21-2006 08:13 PM |
[IMG]http://www.xs-engineering.com/xsstore/pc/catalog/GTRleading530.jpg[/IMG]
Cool picture.
Cool picture.
| Crawford Performance | 03-21-2006 10:47 PM |
[QUOTE=kjslider]Quirt, First post on these forums. Just want to let you know I had fun racing against that fine Subbie of yours! You and your guys seem like a great group and I look forward to more fun times at the track. Man, that car has some serious power. There were a few super quick wrx's there that day. Yours was the best handling/driven of the Sub's I witnessed.
Sorry about throwing that cone up at ya! I cracked up again seeing the pic of the Muellerized sticker covering up the booboo!!!
Say hey to your guys.
-Kent aka Muellerized #92[/QUOTE]
Kent,
I must admit that watching the two of you duke it out made my day :D
It's also nice that you and your group did not get pissed off from the lack of constraint shown by the driver of Mr Crabtree's STI :o
Anyways, thanks for the kind words. They mean allot to me coming from a competitor of your caliber.
And don't wory about the cone, maybe next time we can return the favor.
Quirt
Sorry about throwing that cone up at ya! I cracked up again seeing the pic of the Muellerized sticker covering up the booboo!!!
Say hey to your guys.
-Kent aka Muellerized #92[/QUOTE]
Kent,
I must admit that watching the two of you duke it out made my day :D
It's also nice that you and your group did not get pissed off from the lack of constraint shown by the driver of Mr Crabtree's STI :o
Anyways, thanks for the kind words. They mean allot to me coming from a competitor of your caliber.
And don't wory about the cone, maybe next time we can return the favor.
Quirt
| duckfan312 | 03-22-2006 10:40 AM |
[QUOTE=Javier]Cool vid. I'm not surprised that the evo beat the sti... The driver was definitely pushing harder and just driving that bit better. Good stuff though![/QUOTE]
I know this is on the first page but i had to comment. Your kidding me right taking out half the cones at the track. Cutting Corners. But if thats what you have to do to beat the driver of the STI whatever. Kent is a great Driver and an awesome guy dont get me wrong but i just thought that was kind of a stupid comment to say if you weren't there. But i was there and i wouldnt say that the driver of the evo was having his best day. He was pushing harder especially when he was off the track at the bus stop in the back straight. IMO the sti should have Won by default due to the cone killing by the skyline and the evo that day. If going off the track and killing the cones makes the driver that much better then suit urself. ;) R.I.P. California Speedway cones. :banana:
I know this is on the first page but i had to comment. Your kidding me right taking out half the cones at the track. Cutting Corners. But if thats what you have to do to beat the driver of the STI whatever. Kent is a great Driver and an awesome guy dont get me wrong but i just thought that was kind of a stupid comment to say if you weren't there. But i was there and i wouldnt say that the driver of the evo was having his best day. He was pushing harder especially when he was off the track at the bus stop in the back straight. IMO the sti should have Won by default due to the cone killing by the skyline and the evo that day. If going off the track and killing the cones makes the driver that much better then suit urself. ;) R.I.P. California Speedway cones. :banana:
| javid | 03-22-2006 11:10 AM |
^^^^ First of all, "if you don't go 'off' (track or line depending on your application) your not going fast enough" :lol: :devil:
Second, curbing is made to be driven on, you make it sound like cars that hop curbing are cheating. :huh: On many tracks / turns, if you don't use or entirely hop curbs YOU WILL BE SLOWER.
Of course, curbing will 'test' your bumpsteer and shock setup. So on a poorly setup car, staying off the curbs may seem faster but you will get owned by a proper car that uses the curbing.
Lastly, I have destroyed many cones on the sides of courses. If the cone owners didn't want people hitting cones, they should have moved them away from the track.
javid
~ who really doesn't understand why cones are placed on the sides of road courses for these type events.
Second, curbing is made to be driven on, you make it sound like cars that hop curbing are cheating. :huh: On many tracks / turns, if you don't use or entirely hop curbs YOU WILL BE SLOWER.
Of course, curbing will 'test' your bumpsteer and shock setup. So on a poorly setup car, staying off the curbs may seem faster but you will get owned by a proper car that uses the curbing.
Lastly, I have destroyed many cones on the sides of courses. If the cone owners didn't want people hitting cones, they should have moved them away from the track.
javid
~ who really doesn't understand why cones are placed on the sides of road courses for these type events.
| Crawford Performance | 03-22-2006 12:01 PM |
You are somewhat correct, I assassinated four cones on the out side of the corners myself that weekend :)
The duckfan is speaking about the cones on the inside of the corners though. Tarzan got down to a 1.09 lap time after two days of running of the track. On one of his last "timed runs" he ran a 1.07 shaving his best time by two seconds :huh:
It seems that he went straight at the end of the back straight, through the cones, instead of turning... He left an impressive set of black marks on the track trying to slow down though :)
Quirt
EDIT for spelling
The duckfan is speaking about the cones on the inside of the corners though. Tarzan got down to a 1.09 lap time after two days of running of the track. On one of his last "timed runs" he ran a 1.07 shaving his best time by two seconds :huh:
It seems that he went straight at the end of the back straight, through the cones, instead of turning... He left an impressive set of black marks on the track trying to slow down though :)
Quirt
EDIT for spelling
| AtomicRacer | 03-22-2006 12:48 PM |
[QUOTE=Crawford Performance]You are somewhat correct, I assonated four cones on the out side of the corners myself that weekend :)
The duckfan is speaking about the cones on the inside of the corners though. Tarzan got down to a 1.09 lap time after two days of running of the track. On one of his last "timed runs" he ran a 1.07 shaving his best time by two seconds :huh:
It seems that he went straight at the end of the back straight, through the cones, instead of turning... He left an impressive set of black marks on the track trying to slow down though :)
Quirt[/QUOTE]
In autox we call that a DNF.
-Paul
The duckfan is speaking about the cones on the inside of the corners though. Tarzan got down to a 1.09 lap time after two days of running of the track. On one of his last "timed runs" he ran a 1.07 shaving his best time by two seconds :huh:
It seems that he went straight at the end of the back straight, through the cones, instead of turning... He left an impressive set of black marks on the track trying to slow down though :)
Quirt[/QUOTE]
In autox we call that a DNF.
-Paul
| LOLSTi | 03-22-2006 02:52 PM |
[QUOTE=AtomicRacer]In autox we call that a DNF.
-Paul[/QUOTE]
:lol: :lol: :lol:
-Paul[/QUOTE]
:lol: :lol: :lol:
| CrawfordR4 | 03-22-2006 03:38 PM |
I own the black sti and I am really enjoying reading everyone�s comments. I would like to address a few of those comments now. As far as the driver of the car Craig he is one of the best drivers I have ever seen. He was an instructor at Bob Bondurant's and he is extremely smooth and easy on the car. I feel very lucky to have someone with Craig�s kind of talent driving my car. As far as Kent is concerned the driver of the evo he won 13 SCCA races in a row last year and would be tough to beat no matter how much money we spend. Ken and I were both lucky enough to have John Mueller set up our suspension. John is one of those special talents that you meet in racing who is a true artist at what he does. My car went to his shop right before this event and he not only worked until the early morning getting my car ready he sent one of his guy�s to meet me there at 6am (after maybe 2 hours of sleep) so I could get some sleep before the event. I know if John and Kent put there mind to it they would walk away form that Skyline.
My car was great right out of the trailer and I look forward to having him put the Moton coilovers on the car and setting it up for PIR in May. I hope John and Kent can make it to that event but I understand they have a full season of racing ahead. Quirt Crawford who built the R4 2.8 liter engine that is in the car has been excited about the project from the start. I worked with Quirt at NPTI while we ran the Nissan GTP cars in the late 80�s and early 90�s and he is also part of that special breed. The car had a ton of power and ran perfect all day long. Working with professionals makes this hobby much easier. Quirt and crew are working on giving the car more power and more reliable drive train as we speak. We are going with a wide body kit also but it wont be on before the May time attack at PIR. And the guy that says you have to buy more power to overcome lack of talent I say amen I am not even close to type of driver that Craig is and I need all of the help I can get. I am blessed with the resources to build this car and I don�t see anything wrong with that. One more thing while I am rambling the guy�s at Group 5 motorsport busted butt to install the big brake kit on the car and we never had any brake issues at all. They were able to overnight the parts and installed them the next day. I will post the in car camera video as soon as I finish it. Keep on posting, I am enjoying this�..
My car was great right out of the trailer and I look forward to having him put the Moton coilovers on the car and setting it up for PIR in May. I hope John and Kent can make it to that event but I understand they have a full season of racing ahead. Quirt Crawford who built the R4 2.8 liter engine that is in the car has been excited about the project from the start. I worked with Quirt at NPTI while we ran the Nissan GTP cars in the late 80�s and early 90�s and he is also part of that special breed. The car had a ton of power and ran perfect all day long. Working with professionals makes this hobby much easier. Quirt and crew are working on giving the car more power and more reliable drive train as we speak. We are going with a wide body kit also but it wont be on before the May time attack at PIR. And the guy that says you have to buy more power to overcome lack of talent I say amen I am not even close to type of driver that Craig is and I need all of the help I can get. I am blessed with the resources to build this car and I don�t see anything wrong with that. One more thing while I am rambling the guy�s at Group 5 motorsport busted butt to install the big brake kit on the car and we never had any brake issues at all. They were able to overnight the parts and installed them the next day. I will post the in car camera video as soon as I finish it. Keep on posting, I am enjoying this�..
| Crawford Performance | 03-22-2006 10:40 PM |
[QUOTE=CrawfordR4]
Quirt Crawford who built the R4 2.8 liter engine that is in the car has been excited about the project from the start. I worked with Quirt at NPTI while we ran the Nissan GTP cars in the late 80�s and early 90�s and he is also part of that special breed. The car had a ton of power and ran perfect all day long. Working with professionals makes this hobby much easier. Quirt and crew are working on giving the car more power and more reliable drive train as we speak...[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the kind words :)
Quirt Crawford
[url]www.crawfordperformance.com[/url]
Quirt Crawford who built the R4 2.8 liter engine that is in the car has been excited about the project from the start. I worked with Quirt at NPTI while we ran the Nissan GTP cars in the late 80�s and early 90�s and he is also part of that special breed. The car had a ton of power and ran perfect all day long. Working with professionals makes this hobby much easier. Quirt and crew are working on giving the car more power and more reliable drive train as we speak...[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the kind words :)
Quirt Crawford
[url]www.crawfordperformance.com[/url]
| BDX | 03-25-2006 01:11 AM |
First of all to Kent and John: I had a great time and it was an honor to run with you in the AWDU class. I hope we get a chance to do it again soon.
Mike Crabtree: Thank you again for inviting me to drive your sweet STI at this time attack. I wish I would have had more than the 20 or so laps to get used to your car, I'm sure we could have done much better if I had some time. I was still getting used to where all the power windows and stereo controlls were and that backup camera was very cool too. Oh well, maybe next time we will have a few test and tune days just before the event.
Mr. Crawford: Very nice work on the engine. ran perfect! very consistent... "Constraint"? - John told me to keep up. so I did. Kent and I were just having fun.
[B]Javid[/B],
I use the curbs all day long in the Crawford/Crabtree STI and I don't have a problem with anyone doing that same thing.
But, here lies the problem with Cal. Speedway. The way this track is laid out with a lot of pavement between corners, there are several configurations that can be made and much of the track is used for parking during round-d-round events. That being said, yes, there are some sections that are somewhat like a coned off section of parking lot. Now it's starting to sound like a fast auto-x track.
If some of your corners are "defined by cones", then what should be the ruling if you shorten the corse or straightened your path to make up time by completely running through the cones?
Now take for example, um lets just say, a blue R32 Skyline and what he did. Now look at the layout of Cal. Speedway. At the end of the back straight, draw a straight line to the last sweeper. Don't make that tight 90* left or the tight 90* right, just blast straight through the infeld pavement. Wow, look at how much time you can make up. Hmmmmmmm. I was just a few turns behind that car and, yes, the skid marks go straight through. It's hard to miss a big locked up set of skids from those 305 tires.
Craig
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Mike Crabtree: Thank you again for inviting me to drive your sweet STI at this time attack. I wish I would have had more than the 20 or so laps to get used to your car, I'm sure we could have done much better if I had some time. I was still getting used to where all the power windows and stereo controlls were and that backup camera was very cool too. Oh well, maybe next time we will have a few test and tune days just before the event.
Mr. Crawford: Very nice work on the engine. ran perfect! very consistent... "Constraint"? - John told me to keep up. so I did. Kent and I were just having fun.
[B]Javid[/B],
I use the curbs all day long in the Crawford/Crabtree STI and I don't have a problem with anyone doing that same thing.
But, here lies the problem with Cal. Speedway. The way this track is laid out with a lot of pavement between corners, there are several configurations that can be made and much of the track is used for parking during round-d-round events. That being said, yes, there are some sections that are somewhat like a coned off section of parking lot. Now it's starting to sound like a fast auto-x track.
If some of your corners are "defined by cones", then what should be the ruling if you shorten the corse or straightened your path to make up time by completely running through the cones?
Now take for example, um lets just say, a blue R32 Skyline and what he did. Now look at the layout of Cal. Speedway. At the end of the back straight, draw a straight line to the last sweeper. Don't make that tight 90* left or the tight 90* right, just blast straight through the infeld pavement. Wow, look at how much time you can make up. Hmmmmmmm. I was just a few turns behind that car and, yes, the skid marks go straight through. It's hard to miss a big locked up set of skids from those 305 tires.
Craig
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| Crawford Performance | 03-27-2006 12:48 PM |
Thanks Craig :)
Next time out we will have another 15 HP under the hood for you :D
Quirt
Next time out we will have another 15 HP under the hood for you :D
Quirt
| WgnWheel | 03-27-2006 06:13 PM |
We were out there competing with our 240 in rwd modified(placed 2nd). I had a great time watching crawford and mueller duke it out! you two were crazy. i have a few pics of you two at it!:) we'll see you guys in may at pir!
our car, for reference:
[img]http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/6765/dsc00735ns.jpg[/img]
i need to dig up the ones of you two later today. :)
Surge Street Shop
our car, for reference:
[img]http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/6765/dsc00735ns.jpg[/img]
i need to dig up the ones of you two later today. :)
Surge Street Shop
| javid | 03-27-2006 09:49 PM |
[B]BDX[/B] I see, that makes a little more sense... Or rather, the previous posts that complain about cones and 'on-track' make more sense now.
Disregard my rant above.
Disregard my rant above.
| CrawfordR4 | 03-27-2006 10:02 PM |
15, You mean 150........
| BDX | 03-28-2006 12:16 AM |
Yea Mike!!! that's what I'm talking about!!! :devil:
come on Crawford Performance, work your magic. I know you can do it!!!
come on Crawford Performance, work your magic. I know you can do it!!!
| BDX | 03-28-2006 12:35 AM |
damn, board -
| BDX | 03-28-2006 12:35 AM |
I have to-
| BDX | 03-28-2006 12:35 AM |
make 5 post-
| BDX | 03-28-2006 12:35 AM |
B4 it will let me post pics
| BDX | 03-28-2006 12:36 AM |
my mechanic getting my SRT ready for the next time attack.
[IMG]http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h222/bdxracing/DSCN3988.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h222/bdxracing/DSCN3988.jpg[/IMG]
| Crawford Performance | 03-28-2006 11:35 AM |
Quote: 15, You mean 150........
[QUOTE=BDX]Yea Mike!!! that's what I'm talking about!!! :devil:
come on Crawford Performance, work your magic. I know you can do it!!![/QUOTE]
We can't do that to Mueller, it just wouldn't be fair :)
Quirt
[QUOTE=BDX]Yea Mike!!! that's what I'm talking about!!! :devil:
come on Crawford Performance, work your magic. I know you can do it!!![/QUOTE]
We can't do that to Mueller, it just wouldn't be fair :)
Quirt
| BDX | 03-28-2006 02:02 PM |
I'm sure John would be happy to see it go just that much faster. Good advertising for him too.
(thinking out loud) - "Now if I could just get that CD player to auto shuffle then I could spend more time on driving fast and less time on the cool electronics". ;)
Oh, are you guys going to make it a race car and pull out all the pwr equipment and electronics?
(thinking out loud) - "Now if I could just get that CD player to auto shuffle then I could spend more time on driving fast and less time on the cool electronics". ;)
Oh, are you guys going to make it a race car and pull out all the pwr equipment and electronics?
| Crawford Performance | 03-31-2006 09:18 PM |
[QUOTE=BDX]I'm sure John would be happy to see it go just that much faster. Good advertising for him too.
(thinking out loud) - "Now if I could just get that CD player to auto shuffle then I could spend more time on driving fast and less time on the cool electronics". ;)
Oh, are you guys going to make it a race car and pull out all the pwr equipment and electronics?[/QUOTE]
Sorry to say,,, your A/C left today and tomorrow you can kiss the stereo goodbye ;)
Quirt
(thinking out loud) - "Now if I could just get that CD player to auto shuffle then I could spend more time on driving fast and less time on the cool electronics". ;)
Oh, are you guys going to make it a race car and pull out all the pwr equipment and electronics?[/QUOTE]
Sorry to say,,, your A/C left today and tomorrow you can kiss the stereo goodbye ;)
Quirt
| MRF582 | 04-01-2006 01:20 AM |
I believe most of us understand how important tires really are. Look at F1. Yet, this time attack was executed without a spec tire? Interesting.
Power to weight ratio is also very VERY important when comparing 'time attack' cars. Unfortunately, there is no mention of that anywhere.
May I request tire specs and power to weight ratio for the skyline, evo, and sti?
This thread is full of subjective comments. Let's get some objective data in here.
[IMG]http://www.xs-engineering.com/xsstore/pc/catalog/GTRleading530.jpg[/IMG]
By examining the above picture, one can see that the skyline was running on the widest tires. The evo had the 2nd widest tires and the sti had the 3rd widest tires. Granted, depth perception in a 2D image can be misleading which is why I request full tire and power to weight ratio data.
This thread is a good advertisement for the parties involved. Congratulations for that.
EVO - 295 Hoosiers
STi - 245 Hoosiers
Skyline - ???
Power to weight ratio is also very VERY important when comparing 'time attack' cars. Unfortunately, there is no mention of that anywhere.
May I request tire specs and power to weight ratio for the skyline, evo, and sti?
This thread is full of subjective comments. Let's get some objective data in here.
[IMG]http://www.xs-engineering.com/xsstore/pc/catalog/GTRleading530.jpg[/IMG]
By examining the above picture, one can see that the skyline was running on the widest tires. The evo had the 2nd widest tires and the sti had the 3rd widest tires. Granted, depth perception in a 2D image can be misleading which is why I request full tire and power to weight ratio data.
This thread is a good advertisement for the parties involved. Congratulations for that.
EVO - 295 Hoosiers
STi - 245 Hoosiers
Skyline - ???
| grippgoat | 04-01-2006 01:28 AM |
The fenders on that skyline are so wide, it makes it look like an evo III. :huh:
-Mike
-Mike
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