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Uber lightweight wheels part 1

itmcomputersdotcom 11-28-2006 01:14 AM

Uber lightweight wheels
I'm looking to find out who makes either titanium, or magnesium wheels in 17", however if I have to settle for aluminum or some other alloy, who makes the lightest wheels around?

Branden
DiscoWagon 11-28-2006 01:16 AM

Rays.
Sports Wagon 11-28-2006 01:21 AM

SSR Type C RS 17x7.5
13.7lb each
kspek 11-28-2006 01:26 AM

yeah ssr comps in 17's is very lite in weight.
almosta2.5 11-28-2006 03:27 AM

This thread may be of use to you:
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=448097[/url]
Patrick Olsen 11-28-2006 07:37 AM

Or this thread - [url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1141133&highlight=magnesium[/url] .

Pat
Scooby921 11-28-2006 08:23 AM

The lightest wheels (that are still affordable) are definitely SSR. Rays / Volk sticks some of their name into the price and aren't as light as an SSR in the same price range and size. SSR Type C is under 14lbs and is cheaper than the TE-37 which is almost 16lbs.

Your most affordable option in a price / weight ratio is the Enkei RPF-1 or Motegi Traklite. Of course the Motegi's seem to be on an endless backorder. RPF-1 is 15.6lbs in a 17x8 and the traklite is 14.5lbs in a 17x8. Both are around $1000 for a set.


SSR Type C : 17x8, 13lbs, $400ea
Enkei RPF-1: 17x8, 15.6lbs, $230ea
Motegi Traklite: 17x8, 14.5lbs, $270ea
Volk TE-37: 17x8, 16lbs, $475ea
spazegun2213 11-28-2006 09:10 AM

What about the Kosei K1's? I know a bunch of BMW and yata' drivers run them.
Scooby South 11-28-2006 10:56 AM

we kinda need to know what your going to do with them....

As different wheels could represent different things....
But all the suggestions are good....

you can get a custom set of BBS's that are low in weight also...;)

Bill
ULLLOSE 11-28-2006 10:59 AM

Just an fyi... The weight on the new 17+ SSR comp has gone up, [email�protected] says this is why:

"The only difference is in 17" and larger sizes. Those wheels are now a 2 piece wheel, SSF Center with Fully forged Barrel welded together. This is exactly how the Solstice SSR wheels are made. Lots of the smaller SSR Type C and Type C-RS wheels are still made the old way, (1-piece SSF), which is extremely light.

The only reason they switched to the 2-piece welded wheels was the fact that more often then not the 17" and larger wheels (as well as the very wide wheels) would not come out of the SSF process correctly and would have to scrapped. The byproduct of the new Hybrid process was a more consistant wheel that was dramatically stronger with a small weight increase, (1.5-2.5lbs avg)."
Chiketkd 11-28-2006 11:02 AM

[QUOTE=Scooby South;16135876]we kinda need to know what your going to do with them....

As different wheels could represent different things....
But all the suggestions are good....

you can get a custom set of BBS's that are low in weight also...;)

Bill[/QUOTE]
The original poster is Branden Burkhart - STU Nat'l champ for the last 2 years. It's a safe bet that he's looking for new racing wheels as he was on his stock 17x7.5" BBS wheels this past season.
Scooby South 11-28-2006 11:53 AM

[QUOTE=Chiketkd;16135944]The original poster is Branden Burkhart - STU Nat'l champ for the last 2 years. It's a safe bet that he's looking for new racing wheels as he was on his stock 17x7.5" BBS wheels this past season.[/QUOTE]

Doh....sorry Branden...didn't recognize the screen name...


Is there a price range......:confused:

Fiske, CCW, ....I am kinda partial to my 5 Zigen fno1c's...

Bill
BlkWRXWag 11-28-2006 12:10 PM

20" spinners Branden.

-Max.
Rev1 11-28-2006 12:20 PM

+1 for the SSR Competitions (forged Al)

I still remember about a year ago, someone was selling a set of used forged magnesium BBS wheels, takeoffs from a WRC car for $1200... :lol: awesome :D
Chiketkd 11-28-2006 12:59 PM

[QUOTE=BlkWRXWag;16136807]20" spinners Branden.

-Max.[/QUOTE]
ROFLMAO! I was waiting for the '06 STU Pro Solo champ to chime in! ;) Nice one Hayter! :devil:

Chike
bdi 11-28-2006 01:06 PM

[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1135910[/url]

Gruppe-S is the only vendor I know of who caries the SSR's in the 5x100 (17x8.5)
He has them weighing in at 15.5lbs
48mpg 11-28-2006 01:51 PM

i saw some carbon fiber wheels at SEMA, ~14 lbs for 17" i beileve
[IMG]http://gfmotorsports.net/gallery/albums/sema/IMG_2289.sized.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://gfmotorsports.net/gallery/albums/sema/IMG_2288.sized.jpg[/IMG]
or perhaps the glass wheel
[IMG]http://gfmotorsports.net/gallery/albums/sema/IMG_2284.sized.jpg[/IMG]



kidding about the glass
Mr_Hox 11-28-2006 04:00 PM

RPF-1's FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Butt Dyno 11-28-2006 04:19 PM

[QUOTE=Rev1;16136948]+1 for the SSR Competitions (forged Al)

I still remember about a year ago, someone was selling a set of used forged magnesium BBS wheels, takeoffs from a WRC car for $1200... :lol: awesome :D[/QUOTE]

What? Where? I wanna see!
Element Tuning 11-28-2006 04:39 PM

Prodrive GC060 or GC010 are extremely light and strong forged wheels. We run them on our car in a 17x9.5 and 18x9.5. I believe these wheels are manufactured by Rays. I've had some off road excursions if you know what I mean and they are still as good as new.

Thanks,
Phil
[url]www.elementtuning.com[/url]
pio!pio! 11-28-2006 05:53 PM

I think Volk makes a Mag TE37..like 2 grand per wheel or something...
itmcomputersdotcom 11-28-2006 08:02 PM

[QUOTE=BlkWRXWag;16136807]20" spinners Branden.

-Max.[/QUOTE]

Yo yo wiggity wack! Good one Max, something tells me that if I have the money to spare, as a joke, i'm going to roll up there with some if I can't get a borrowed set, lol.

Branden
BlkWRXWag 11-28-2006 08:06 PM

I'll buy you a lap dance if you run them as well:D
itmcomputersdotcom 11-28-2006 08:14 PM

[url]http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/06/dub-pimp-star-bling-bling-wheels/[/url]

here's what i'll roll up in. The message will look like a cone, fooling the workers into not noticing that I had just hit that cone therefore allowing me to go faster!

Branden
limeylight 11-28-2006 09:24 PM

May I suggest the Team Dynamics Pro Race 1 17 x 7 16lbs $175.

[IMG]http://www.teamilluminata.com/Shop/TeamDynamics/prorace1hpsilverbig.jpeg[/IMG]
itmcomputersdotcom 11-28-2006 10:45 PM

[QUOTE=limeylight;16144004]May I suggest the Team Dynamics Pro Race 1 17 x 7 16lbs $175.

[IMG]http://www.teamilluminata.com/Shop/TeamDynamics/prorace1hpsilverbig.jpeg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Wider is better, that rim is about 2" too narrow.

Branden
Warp3 11-28-2006 11:12 PM

Besides which, if you want to go with a 17x7, the Kosei K1-TS at $199/each for a 14.6 lb wheel is a better deal than those. That's definitely too narrow for an STU STi, though.
kellygnsd 11-29-2006 04:14 AM

Racing Hart CP-035R are very light. The 35R is 13.6 lbs. in 17X8 size. Buddy Club P1 QF is a pretty light one too. 17X7.5 is 12.9 lbs and 17X9 is 14.6lbs
krees23 11-29-2006 08:25 AM

Good info.
Scooby South 11-29-2006 08:34 AM

Branden....to make up for my slip up yesterday...I will give you a great link to help you make up your mind...

[URL="http://wheelweights.net/"]Clicky here...a great resource...:)[/URL]

Bill
spazegun2213 11-29-2006 08:44 AM

[QUOTE=Warp3;16145210]Besides which, if you want to go with a 17x7, the Kosei K1-TS at $199/each for a 14.6 lb wheel is a better deal than those. That's definitely too narrow for an STU STi, though.[/QUOTE]

IIRC they do make a 17x9 wheel
jamesohoh7 11-29-2006 08:59 AM

[QUOTE=spazegun2213;16148001]IIRC they do make a 17x9 wheel[/QUOTE]

They do, Tire Rack sells a 17x9 e45 that they claim weighs about 16lbs, but I think the original poster is looking for something about 2lbs lighter ( in a 17x9 ) since he's willing to consider magnesium and other exotic materials.

Tire Rack doesn't sell the K1-TS as a 'known to fit the STi' wheel if you use their little tire-fittment 'guide' thing, but I've seen them installed on an 05 STi ( user AtomicRacer has them ) and they looked perfect. I am considering getting a set even if I can ever get off my duff and put the order in :lol:
grambo 11-29-2006 01:46 PM

[quote=Sports Wagon;16133150]SSR Type C RS 17x7.5
13.7lb each[/quote]

Gorgeous wheels. - reduced unsprung weight FTW
AUTOwrXER 11-30-2006 11:19 AM

[QUOTE=48mpg;16138297]i saw some carbon fiber wheels at SEMA, ~14 lbs for 17" i beileve
[IMG]http://gfmotorsports.net/gallery/albums/sema/IMG_2289.sized.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://gfmotorsports.net/gallery/albums/sema/IMG_2288.sized.jpg[/IMG]
or perhaps the glass wheel
[IMG]http://gfmotorsports.net/gallery/albums/sema/IMG_2284.sized.jpg[/IMG]



kidding about the glass[/QUOTE]

The Dymag carbon fiber wheels use a magnesium center, and they are the lightest thing out there. They are optional on the Koenigsegg CCX. They run about $2000 each.

So there you go.
lukerussell 11-30-2006 03:52 PM

[img]http://www.dymag.com/Car_Image_20005/GT%20Range18.jpg[/img]

they also have full magnesium options. if you have a ferrari budget, or for fun, call precision marketing, inc. 866-707-9663.

luke
eastcoastrsxs 11-30-2006 04:09 PM

what bolt pattern you lookin for ? 5x100 or 5x114.3? i know precision marketing does motegi traklites, volks, and the dymags if you wanna blow serious money :-P

-mike
davis10 11-30-2006 05:17 PM

[QUOTE=48mpg;16138297]i saw some carbon fiber wheels at SEMA, ~14 lbs for 17" i beileve
[IMG]http://gfmotorsports.net/gallery/albums/sema/IMG_2289.sized.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://gfmotorsports.net/gallery/albums/sema/IMG_2288.sized.jpg[/IMG]
or perhaps the glass wheel
[IMG]http://gfmotorsports.net/gallery/albums/sema/IMG_2284.sized.jpg[/IMG]



kidding about the glass[/QUOTE]

Wow carbon fiber wheels I cant believe it, they better be good at $4000000 a rim ;) .

.. and I cant wait to see a escalade rollin' on 40" glass wheel :rolleyes: :lol:
StE823 12-09-2006 10:51 AM

[IMG]http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/5457/img3840nt5.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/6162/img3841nz0.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/2158/taneisha01nz1.jpg[/IMG]

by Taneisya [url]http://www.taneisya.co.jp/[/url]
Techni-Crafts T6 (Produce by the same manufacturer as Racing Hart CP-035)
Designed for Motorsport Use in Japan for Subaru's STI

17x8, 43mm offset, 11.5lbs each... :) :banana: :banana: :banana:

haha sorry guys.. its the only thing that i can show off till now.. :banana: :banana:
El Capitan 12-09-2006 11:42 AM

As a base for comparison. Anyone have the weights for the stock Scooby paws?

Say: 04> BBS, 05< BBS, and whatever the lightest stock wheels for the WRX's or Legacys?

I've been reading a lot of race car engineering books lately. [U]Chassis Engineering[/U] by Herb Adams has a good chapter dedicated to "rotating inertia" that shows how to mathmaticly figure out what kind of effect different weights have on acceleration. I bought it at Borders for $18.00.

Edit: Stock 05-06 STi wheels are 19.2lbs according to the link in post #30. Scooby South was right... it is a great resource.
the_great_blah 12-10-2006 02:56 AM

Some engineering club on campus here at WWU made a carbon fibre wheel prototype for their race car. Problem is, the quality is too poor for actual use.
AtomicRacer 12-10-2006 10:54 AM

[QUOTE=StE823;16265761]

by Taneisya [url]http://www.taneisya.co.jp/[/url]
Techni-Crafts T6 (Produce by the same manufacturer as Racing Hart CP-035)
Designed for Motorsport Use in Japan for Subaru's STI

17x8, 43mm offset, 11.5lbs each... :) :banana: :banana: :banana:

haha sorry guys.. its the only thing that i can show off till now.. :banana: :banana:[/QUOTE]

11.5lbs? Only if it was magnesium.
jweiss 12-10-2006 11:15 AM

Hi -

As was already mentioned, BBS Motorsport offers lightweight 3-piece wheels with magnesium or aluminum centers, in just about any size/offset.

Other options in 3-piece custom racing wheels:

Fikse (aluminum centers, but my 17x9s are about 17 lbs each)
Jongbloed (they offer both magnesium and aluminum centers)
Kinesis (aluminum centers)

Expect to pay at least $3k for a set, probably closer to $4k, unless you are on good terms with a distributor. BBS Motorsport wheels will cost more...

Cheers,

Jeff
V6TurboTA 12-10-2006 12:00 PM

[QUOTE=Scooby South;16147936]Branden....to make up for my slip up yesterday...I will give you a great link to help you make up your mind...

[URL="http://wheelweights.net/"]Clicky here...a great resource...:)[/URL]

Bill[/QUOTE]


Interesting link... although an 05 STi does not have 7.5" rims?? How much of the rest of it is wrong?
El Capitan 12-10-2006 03:05 PM

[quote=V6TurboTA;16273506]Interesting link... although an 05 STi does not have 7.5" rims?? How much of the rest of it is wrong?[/quote]

It says MY05 STi has 8 inch. :)
AUTOwrXER 12-12-2006 04:41 PM

[QUOTE=AtomicRacer;16273130]11.5lbs? Only if it was magnesium.[/QUOTE]

That's what I was thinking. I wonder if they meant 11.5 Kg.
Scooby921 12-12-2006 06:00 PM

Remembered another one...CCW

[url]http://www.ccwheel.com/files/home.php[/url]
AtomicRacer 12-13-2006 09:43 AM

[QUOTE=Scooby921;16302181]Remembered another one...CCW

[url]http://www.ccwheel.com/files/home.php[/url][/QUOTE]


Very nice wheels but they are not light. 17x9.5 are around 20lbs.

-Paul
StE823 12-13-2006 10:21 AM

[QUOTE=AUTOwrXER;16301121]That's what I was thinking. I wonder if they meant 11.5 Kg.[/QUOTE]

believe it or not

Brand: Techni-Crafts (Produce by the same manufacturer as Racing Hart CP-035)
Model: T6
Color: Champagne only, natural color no paint good for heat dispersement.
Method: Forged Alumimum
Size: 17 X 8 43mm Offset (Hub Centric, no center ring needed)
Weight: 11.5 Pounds
Application: Designed for Motorsport Use in Japan for Subaru's STI
Made in Japan

[url]http://www.taneisya.co.jp[/url]

More info on the Techni Crafts:
The Japanese are using those rims on the STI WRX for the real races. Therefore:
1) It can clear the Brembo Brake Caliper
2) It doesn't require any center ring because it is specially design for our car.
AtomicRacer 12-13-2006 11:03 AM

[QUOTE=StE823;16308754]believe it or not

Brand: Techni-Crafts (Produce by the same manufacturer as Racing Hart CP-035)
Model: T6
Color: Champagne only, natural color no paint good for heat dispersement.
Method: Forged Alumimum
Size: 17 X 8 43mm Offset (Hub Centric, no center ring needed)
Weight: 11.5 Pounds
Application: Designed for Motorsport Use in Japan for Subaru's STI
Made in Japan

[url]http://www.taneisya.co.jp[/url]

More info on the Techni Crafts:
The Japanese are using those rims on the STI WRX for the real races. Therefore:
1) It can clear the Brembo Brake Caliper
2) It doesn't require any center ring because it is specially design for our car.[/QUOTE]

I don't believe it.

-Paul
Patrick L 12-13-2006 12:03 PM

[QUOTE=StE823;16308754]believe it or not

Brand: Techni-Crafts (Produce by the same manufacturer as Racing Hart CP-035)
Model: T6
Color: Champagne only, natural color no paint good for heat dispersement.
Method: Forged Alumimum
Size: 17 X 8 43mm Offset (Hub Centric, no center ring needed)
Weight: 11.5 Pounds
Application: Designed for Motorsport Use in Japan for Subaru's STI
Made in Japan

[url]http://www.taneisya.co.jp[/url]

More info on the Techni Crafts:
The Japanese are using those rims on the STI WRX for the real races. Therefore:
1) It can clear the Brembo Brake Caliper
2) It doesn't require any center ring because it is specially design for our car.[/QUOTE]

How much $ ?
AUTOwrXER 12-13-2006 12:18 PM

[QUOTE=StE823;16308754]believe it or not

Brand: Techni-Crafts (Produce by the same manufacturer as Racing Hart CP-035)
Model: T6
Color: Champagne only, natural color no paint good for heat dispersement.
Method: Forged Alumimum
Size: 17 X 8 43mm Offset (Hub Centric, no center ring needed)
Weight: 11.5 Pounds
Application: Designed for Motorsport Use in Japan for Subaru's STI
Made in Japan

[url]http://www.taneisya.co.jp[/url]

More info on the Techni Crafts:
The Japanese are using those rims on the STI WRX for the real races. Therefore:
1) It can clear the Brembo Brake Caliper
2) It doesn't require any center ring because it is specially design for our car.[/QUOTE]


Anyone seen them on a scale? Also, since when was "champagne" the natural color for an aluminum alloy wheel?
Patrick L 12-13-2006 12:28 PM

Alodining aluminum will get you that color.
StE823 12-13-2006 12:57 PM

whatever guys... believe it or not.. its the same rims from this member few yrs ago (well i didn't got it directly thru him)

[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=332434[/url]
Corey 12-13-2006 01:54 PM

[QUOTE=AUTOwrXER;16310576]Also, since when was "champagne" the natural color for an aluminum alloy wheel?[/QUOTE]

Actually, I had a set of Racing Hart CP-035's media blasted last year and the color was EXACTLY like those wheels in the pic...

Corey #89 STU
StE823 12-13-2006 01:58 PM

thx for the feedback.. :)

better pic on the car..
[IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/6494/img3858bm4.jpg[/IMG]
Patrick L 12-13-2006 02:30 PM

Price?
StE823 12-13-2006 02:32 PM

new price would be like an arm and leg..

my friend gave me a very very good deal... just around set of cr kai + rubber...
AtomicRacer 12-13-2006 02:57 PM

Weigh it with the tire and if it is under 35lbs I will believe you.

-Paul

ps: good looking wheel. =)
remowgn 12-13-2006 03:14 PM

These look to be similar... the other ones may not be in production any more:

[url]http://www.ijak.co.jp/HPcatalog/achtecsize.html[/url]

17x8.0, 45H, 6.2kg or roughly 13.6lbs. Not 11, but definitely down there.

Per the price on the page, $493 ea with current conversion rates.

I actually like these a lot:
[url]http://www.ijak.co.jp/HPcatalog/s05size.html[/url]
[IMG]http://www.hostdub.com/albums/MikeForge_album05/DSC01099.jpg[/IMG]

Just gotta find em, I guess :)
Hyper 12-13-2006 03:15 PM

[QUOTE=StE823;16311133]whatever guys... believe it or not.. its the same rims from this member few yrs ago (well i didn't got it directly thru him)

[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=332434[/url][/QUOTE]




ha! I knew they are Terence's old wheels:lol:
I've seen them in person, and they are indeed uber light - the man was obsessed with weight reduction;)

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