| Opie | 01-12-2007 09:47 PM |
2007 Nascar Discussion Thread!
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Toyota is finally joining Ford, Chevrolet and Dodge in Nascar. Toyota's Nextel Cup debut Toyota's entry into Nextel Cup in 2007 represents the first full-time foreign manufacturer in NASCAR's top-tier series. How will Toyota fare in its first season? With a roster that includes a mix of veterans such as Michael Waltrip, Dale Jarrett, Jeremy Mayfield and Dave Blaney, coupled with younger drivers like Brian Vickers, David Reutimann and A.J. Allmendinger, the pieces are in place to have some success in 2007.
Car of Tomorrow phase-in - NASCAR's vision of the racing chassis of the future is scheduled to make its debut at Bristol in March, the first of 16 races in 2007, followed by 26 more in 2008. With built-in safety features and the ability to run at multiple tracks with a minimum of modifications, NASCAR officials believe the Car of Tomorrow will save teams money over the long term. Car of tommorow will also bring a few different model configurations; Chevrolet Impala & Dodge Avenger. Chevrolet will still run the Monte Carlo chassis and Dodge will run the Charger chassis in the rest of the years races
Juan Montoya's impact - How big an impact will former Formula One and Indianapolis 500 winner Juan Montoya have in NASCAR? It's a huge feather in NASCAR's cap to add a driver of Montoya's prestige and world-wide popularity. It's something akin to when Emerson Fittipaldi left Formula One to drive open-wheel cars in the United States -- a move that paved the road for many other foreign-born drivers in the sport.
Change the Chase? There's talk of allowing 12 drivers in the Nextel Cup Chase and awarding more points for wins, how will this affect the season?
Speed? Goodyear's Tire tests over the winter set unofficial speed records at Las Vegas with speeds averaging 204mph by single cars...are new race records going to be set at tracks this year?
Lots of topics to discuss...let keep it on topic!
Car of Tomorrow phase-in - NASCAR's vision of the racing chassis of the future is scheduled to make its debut at Bristol in March, the first of 16 races in 2007, followed by 26 more in 2008. With built-in safety features and the ability to run at multiple tracks with a minimum of modifications, NASCAR officials believe the Car of Tomorrow will save teams money over the long term. Car of tommorow will also bring a few different model configurations; Chevrolet Impala & Dodge Avenger. Chevrolet will still run the Monte Carlo chassis and Dodge will run the Charger chassis in the rest of the years races
Juan Montoya's impact - How big an impact will former Formula One and Indianapolis 500 winner Juan Montoya have in NASCAR? It's a huge feather in NASCAR's cap to add a driver of Montoya's prestige and world-wide popularity. It's something akin to when Emerson Fittipaldi left Formula One to drive open-wheel cars in the United States -- a move that paved the road for many other foreign-born drivers in the sport.
Change the Chase? There's talk of allowing 12 drivers in the Nextel Cup Chase and awarding more points for wins, how will this affect the season?
Speed? Goodyear's Tire tests over the winter set unofficial speed records at Las Vegas with speeds averaging 204mph by single cars...are new race records going to be set at tracks this year?
Lots of topics to discuss...let keep it on topic!
| Chiketkd | 01-12-2007 09:50 PM |
Go Montoya! :p
| Imprezive_04 | 01-12-2007 09:59 PM |
Toyota just simply doesn't have 1 decent driver
12 in the chase is just stupid, whats next 15? Then what
Go Montoya, I love it when he talks about how much more difficult it is to drive these cars
12 in the chase is just stupid, whats next 15? Then what
Go Montoya, I love it when he talks about how much more difficult it is to drive these cars
| grippgoat | 01-12-2007 11:40 PM |
[QUOTE=Imprezive_04;16648084]Toyota just simply doesn't have 1 decent driver[/QUOTE]
AJ Allmendinger is good, isn't he? I don't know about NASCAR, but he was good in whatever he was driving before that (CART or Indy, I can't remember).
-Mike
AJ Allmendinger is good, isn't he? I don't know about NASCAR, but he was good in whatever he was driving before that (CART or Indy, I can't remember).
-Mike
| Imprezive_04 | 01-13-2007 09:53 AM |
Like I said Toyota just simply doesn't have a decent driver
| hotrod | 01-13-2007 09:54 AM |
It will be very interesting to see how the new car design shakes out. If one of the teams hits on a good setup for this chassis before the others there will be some run away races on the tracks this year.
Toyota has done well in the truck series, I hope their participation will encourage the other factories to dig in a little and step up their support for the teams.
All in all it should be a fun year to watch as JPM gets up to speed and running full time.
Larry
Toyota has done well in the truck series, I hope their participation will encourage the other factories to dig in a little and step up their support for the teams.
All in all it should be a fun year to watch as JPM gets up to speed and running full time.
Larry
| kickitjp | 02-11-2007 01:22 AM |
I don't get it. They got 8th on their opener and everyone saying 'they've got a long way to go' for victories
| wvallwheeldrive | 02-11-2007 02:01 AM |
8th today in a dash for cash with only 21 cars
| Patrick Olsen | 02-11-2007 02:40 AM |
I caught a bit of Toyota stuff on Speed a couple weeks ago and they were testing the Car of Tomorrow. I don't really follow NASCAR at all, but see/hear bits and pieces, so I knew they were working on the Car of Tomorrow but had never seen it before. I think it's pretty interesting/cool that they're going to an adjustable front splitter and a choice of a wing or spoiler for the rear. I would imagine that will add quite a bit of tune-ability to the cars for different tracks. Obviously they aren't huge aero devices, but it's still more than they could do before. Should be interesting to see how that works out.
Pat
Pat
| WhiTe_07_WRx | 02-11-2007 08:07 AM |
IM following speedweeks pretty closely.
I hate the new tire package that goodyear brought to daytona this year. Really hard...but I guess it will come into real play who has a better handling car.
Im looking foward on hearnig and seeing more info on this "Car Of Tomrrow" that some of the guys have been testing. Should be intresting.
I hate the new tire package that goodyear brought to daytona this year. Really hard...but I guess it will come into real play who has a better handling car.
Im looking foward on hearnig and seeing more info on this "Car Of Tomrrow" that some of the guys have been testing. Should be intresting.
| cooleyjb | 02-11-2007 08:29 AM |
Edited to the sticky:
BTW NASCAR on a road course is the closest thing we have to BTCC, WTCC, DTM, V8 Supercars, etc, at least in relationship to lots of closely developed cars running side by side for an entire race.
BTW NASCAR on a road course is the closest thing we have to BTCC, WTCC, DTM, V8 Supercars, etc, at least in relationship to lots of closely developed cars running side by side for an entire race.
| Weasel 555 | 02-11-2007 11:01 AM |
i heard they did well in the truck series so good luck to toyota
| JWX | 02-11-2007 11:15 AM |
[QUOTE=Imprezive_04;16651372]Like I said Toyota just simply doesn't have a decent driver[/QUOTE]
they won't need a good driver with the crew they put together; also I wouldn't expect them to pwn the rest of the field their first year out.
All you people who want to talk **** about nascar need to get a life. Granted it is boring as hell to watch untill they have "the big one", but it is still racing.
[QUOTE=modguywithwhatseemsabadadditude]
it's about time someone said this.
That's ok, be ready for a ton of posts from me on "motorsports" like Go-cart racing, bathtubracing, scooter racing, AMA superbike racing, golf car racing, jetski racing, offshore boat racing, jetski racing, etc. etc.
Where does it end? I thought this was a Subaru site, guess I was mistaken.
-mike[/QUOTE]
Do ett. this is called the motorsports forum for a reason. just because this is a "Subaru site" doesn't mean we should limit ourselfs to talking just about Subarus, as that would get VERY boring.
they won't need a good driver with the crew they put together; also I wouldn't expect them to pwn the rest of the field their first year out.
All you people who want to talk **** about nascar need to get a life. Granted it is boring as hell to watch untill they have "the big one", but it is still racing.
[QUOTE=modguywithwhatseemsabadadditude]
it's about time someone said this.
That's ok, be ready for a ton of posts from me on "motorsports" like Go-cart racing, bathtubracing, scooter racing, AMA superbike racing, golf car racing, jetski racing, offshore boat racing, jetski racing, etc. etc.
Where does it end? I thought this was a Subaru site, guess I was mistaken.
-mike[/QUOTE]
Do ett. this is called the motorsports forum for a reason. just because this is a "Subaru site" doesn't mean we should limit ourselfs to talking just about Subarus, as that would get VERY boring.
| JWX | 02-11-2007 11:15 AM |
[QUOTE=Weasel 555;17010322]i heard they did well in the truck series so good luck to toyota[/QUOTE]
they did very well in the truck series.
they did very well in the truck series.
| ptclaus98 | 02-11-2007 11:25 AM |
[QUOTE=cooleyjb;17009748]Edited to the sticky:
BTW NASCAR on a road course is the closest thing we have to BTCC, WTCC, DTM, V8 Supercars, etc, at least in relationship to lots of closely developed cars running side by side for an entire race.[/QUOTE]
The COT will help that.
BTW NASCAR on a road course is the closest thing we have to BTCC, WTCC, DTM, V8 Supercars, etc, at least in relationship to lots of closely developed cars running side by side for an entire race.[/QUOTE]
The COT will help that.
| Ferg | 02-11-2007 11:32 AM |
I'd love to participate in a season long NASCAR thread but the thought of reading countless ignorant and negative posts will keep me out of it...
It's [i]all[/i] motor racing to me.
:shrug:
It's [i]all[/i] motor racing to me.
:shrug:
| Bonzo | 02-11-2007 11:48 AM |
[QUOTE=Ferg;17010510]I'd love to participate in a season long NASCAR thread but the thought of reading countless ignorant and negative posts will keep me out of it...
It's [i]all[/i] motor racing to me.
:shrug:[/QUOTE]
Agreed. I'm wearing thin whilst reading the same old ignorant anti-nascar replies.
:rolleyes:
Vickers is the one who will drive hard and a be thorn to other teams.
Restrictor tracks are won and lost with the team and development programs. The 1.5 milers are the ones the drivers win as they are friken scary, scary fast. It's these tracks that will test the n00bies. 4 wheels slides on corner entry at 195 is not for the faint of heart. :eek: Of the ovals these are my favs to watch.
It's [i]all[/i] motor racing to me.
:shrug:[/QUOTE]
Agreed. I'm wearing thin whilst reading the same old ignorant anti-nascar replies.
:rolleyes:
Vickers is the one who will drive hard and a be thorn to other teams.
Restrictor tracks are won and lost with the team and development programs. The 1.5 milers are the ones the drivers win as they are friken scary, scary fast. It's these tracks that will test the n00bies. 4 wheels slides on corner entry at 195 is not for the faint of heart. :eek: Of the ovals these are my favs to watch.
| cooleyjb | 02-11-2007 11:52 AM |
Maybe the OP, opie, can put in big bold letters at the top of the post that ignorant "NASCAR Sucks" replies will be deleted/points given/something similar.
| Bonzo | 02-11-2007 11:56 AM |
^^^^^
I vote: YES!
I vote: YES!
| TurbojonLS | 02-11-2007 12:36 PM |
I think Toyota in NASCAR is one of the biggest stories in motorsports. They didn't do so hot their first year in the truck series, but after a few years a Toyota won the championship. After a few years I think they'll be very competitive.
| wvallwheeldrive | 02-11-2007 02:05 PM |
Its hard for any new manufacturer to come in to an esablished motorsport Dodge didn't do to well there first year.
And for the record i particapate in the F1 thread as well i like all forms of racing including drag racing, touring cars, champ and indy cars, the list goes on and on. The "redneck" sport of nascar about 40% of the drives are from outside the geographical south.
And for the record i particapate in the F1 thread as well i like all forms of racing including drag racing, touring cars, champ and indy cars, the list goes on and on. The "redneck" sport of nascar about 40% of the drives are from outside the geographical south.
| dibblejr | 02-11-2007 03:41 PM |
I agree Toyota will do well once they hire a younger driver. DJ is a yesterdays has been. As for the rest, no comment.
Glad to see Tony Stewart win the showdown last night. Thats who we route for.
Lets leave all motorsports right nere, just pick through the ones you take interest in.
*Edit
I do not agree with last years change to the points chase. It is far more competitive the old way. I also disagree that they call them "Stock Cars" the only thing stock about them these days are the body shape.
Another point of interest for me is; they tried one season to run road courses in the rain, it was a while ago, they need to continue to run road courses in the rain, this would show who can really "drive" their cars. All road course cars should have full lights and windshield wipers, and the teams should have "rain" tires on hand.
IMO
Jay-R
Glad to see Tony Stewart win the showdown last night. Thats who we route for.
Lets leave all motorsports right nere, just pick through the ones you take interest in.
*Edit
I do not agree with last years change to the points chase. It is far more competitive the old way. I also disagree that they call them "Stock Cars" the only thing stock about them these days are the body shape.
Another point of interest for me is; they tried one season to run road courses in the rain, it was a while ago, they need to continue to run road courses in the rain, this would show who can really "drive" their cars. All road course cars should have full lights and windshield wipers, and the teams should have "rain" tires on hand.
IMO
Jay-R
| mofugga | 02-11-2007 03:50 PM |
:lol: who thinks jpm will remain p2?:lol:
| cooleyjb | 02-11-2007 04:04 PM |
He's still got a respectable time but I just saw him bumped
| Patrick Olsen | 02-11-2007 05:00 PM |
[QUOTE=dibblejr;17012122] Another point of interest for me is; they tried one season to run road courses in the rain, it was a while ago, they need to continue to run road courses in the rain, this would show who can really "drive" their cars. All road course cars should have full lights and windshield wipers, and the teams should have "rain" tires on hand.[/QUOTE]
I could be wrong but I [i]think[/i] that was the Busch series the first year they ran down in Mexico City (maybe 3 or 4 years ago?). I agree with you, I think it would be quite a test of skill. I remember watching in-car footage of Boris Said narrating a practice lap at Sears Point last year and he was having to feather the throttle to avoid blowing the tires off coming out of corners in 3rd gear! :eek: I can only imagine what it would be like trying to drive those cars in wet conditions.
Pat
I could be wrong but I [i]think[/i] that was the Busch series the first year they ran down in Mexico City (maybe 3 or 4 years ago?). I agree with you, I think it would be quite a test of skill. I remember watching in-car footage of Boris Said narrating a practice lap at Sears Point last year and he was having to feather the throttle to avoid blowing the tires off coming out of corners in 3rd gear! :eek: I can only imagine what it would be like trying to drive those cars in wet conditions.
Pat
| REX8 | 02-11-2007 05:11 PM |
[QUOTE=mofugga;17012181]:lol: who thinks jpm will remain p2?:lol:[/QUOTE]
Whats the laughing for. The car is fast there...he's been in thetop 10 all week.
Whats the laughing for. The car is fast there...he's been in thetop 10 all week.
| enduroshark | 02-11-2007 05:23 PM |
I'll tell you this:
Because of JPM, I'll definitely be following NASCAR this year...
Like Ferg says, it's all motor racing to me.
Because of JPM, I'll definitely be following NASCAR this year...
Like Ferg says, it's all motor racing to me.
| dibblejr | 02-11-2007 05:29 PM |
You could be right, I was thinking it was farther back then a few years ago. If I recall they spoke of the season, but I blieve they just had one race and scrapped the idea.
Driving is what the sport used to be about, now it's really who's got the most $. The days when stock meant stock is over, I would just like to see more driver control.
Jay-R
[QUOTE=Patrick Olsen;17012711]I could be wrong but I [i]think[/i] that was the Busch series the first year they ran down in Mexico City (maybe 3 or 4 years ago?). I agree with you, I think it would be quite a test of skill. I remember watching in-car footage of Boris Said narrating a practice lap at Sears Point last year and he was having to feather the throttle to avoid blowing the tires off coming out of corners in 3rd gear! :eek: I can only imagine what it would be like trying to drive those cars in wet conditions.
Pat[/QUOTE]
Driving is what the sport used to be about, now it's really who's got the most $. The days when stock meant stock is over, I would just like to see more driver control.
Jay-R
[QUOTE=Patrick Olsen;17012711]I could be wrong but I [i]think[/i] that was the Busch series the first year they ran down in Mexico City (maybe 3 or 4 years ago?). I agree with you, I think it would be quite a test of skill. I remember watching in-car footage of Boris Said narrating a practice lap at Sears Point last year and he was having to feather the throttle to avoid blowing the tires off coming out of corners in 3rd gear! :eek: I can only imagine what it would be like trying to drive those cars in wet conditions.
Pat[/QUOTE]
| REX8 | 02-11-2007 05:35 PM |
Chilly Dog's in 4th :disco:
| mofugga | 02-11-2007 05:48 PM |
[QUOTE=REX8;17012789]Whats the laughing for. The car is fast there...he's been in thetop 10 all week.[/QUOTE]
you serious? you don't find it slightly humorous that he's in the top 5?
you serious? you don't find it slightly humorous that he's in the top 5?
| cooleyjb | 02-11-2007 06:04 PM |
[QUOTE=mofugga;17013100]you serious? you don't find it slightly humorous that he's in the top 5?[/QUOTE]
Nope, he's practiced in the top ten all year. He ran strongly in the events he did last year. He's has a top team preparing a car for him. And he is a seriously good driver.
Nope, he's practiced in the top ten all year. He ran strongly in the events he did last year. He's has a top team preparing a car for him. And he is a seriously good driver.
| jetfan2207 | 02-11-2007 06:22 PM |
[QUOTE=Opie;16647995].
Car of Tomorrow phase-in - NASCAR officials believe the Car of Tomorrow will save teams money over the long term.
[/QUOTE]
I think it's great that the teams try to save money and I think it would be good for them all to have a cap on how much they can spend (if they don't already) but I think it's kind of funny how these teams have countless amounts of money and they try to save a few dollars.
Car of Tomorrow phase-in - NASCAR officials believe the Car of Tomorrow will save teams money over the long term.
[/QUOTE]
I think it's great that the teams try to save money and I think it would be good for them all to have a cap on how much they can spend (if they don't already) but I think it's kind of funny how these teams have countless amounts of money and they try to save a few dollars.
| mofugga | 02-11-2007 08:16 PM |
ugh, nevermind, you guys are way too serious in here. sarcasm is lost on you;)
| TurbojonLS | 02-11-2007 08:22 PM |
[QUOTE=dibblejr;17012943]You could be right, I was thinking it was farther back then a few years ago. If I recall they spoke of the season, but I blieve they just had one race and scrapped the idea.
Driving is what the sport used to be about, now it's really who's got the most $. The days when stock meant stock is over, I would just like to see more driver control.
Jay-R[/QUOTE]
They ran an exposition race in Japan in the rain several years ago - Suzuka, IIRC. After that, they decided to have the rain cars available for Watkins Glen. But it hasn't rained on race weekend since then. But I think it would be great to see.
Driving is what the sport used to be about, now it's really who's got the most $. The days when stock meant stock is over, I would just like to see more driver control.
Jay-R[/QUOTE]
They ran an exposition race in Japan in the rain several years ago - Suzuka, IIRC. After that, they decided to have the rain cars available for Watkins Glen. But it hasn't rained on race weekend since then. But I think it would be great to see.
| cooleyjb | 02-11-2007 08:47 PM |
[QUOTE=mofugga;17013100]you serious? you don't find it slightly humorous that he's in the top 5?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=mofugga;17014528]ugh, nevermind, you guys are way too serious in here. sarcasm is lost on you;)[/QUOTE]
The problem is that the former statement isn't very sarcastic.
Anyways back to the topic.
So who else was of the opinion that Allmendinger lived up to expectations running so far back.
I was glad to Said running well. For a non-NASCAR guy he has the most dedicated fans. They were on the SpeedReport for qualifying even..
[QUOTE=mofugga;17014528]ugh, nevermind, you guys are way too serious in here. sarcasm is lost on you;)[/QUOTE]
The problem is that the former statement isn't very sarcastic.
Anyways back to the topic.
So who else was of the opinion that Allmendinger lived up to expectations running so far back.
I was glad to Said running well. For a non-NASCAR guy he has the most dedicated fans. They were on the SpeedReport for qualifying even..
| sirfrankwilliams | 02-11-2007 10:15 PM |
[IMG]http://images.usatoday.com/life/_photos/2006/08/11/sacha.jpg[/IMG]
I just saw Talladega Nights, I thought it was way better than Anchor Man. As an avid fan of F1, I thought the ghey F1 driver coming over to beat Ricky Bobby was pretty a funny premise.
[SIZE=1]carry on[/SIZE]
I just saw Talladega Nights, I thought it was way better than Anchor Man. As an avid fan of F1, I thought the ghey F1 driver coming over to beat Ricky Bobby was pretty a funny premise.
[SIZE=1]carry on[/SIZE]
| dibblejr | 02-11-2007 10:17 PM |
Yeah just seeing your post :lol: :lol:
JAy-R
[QUOTE=sirfrankwilliams;17015752][IMG]http://images.usatoday.com/life/_photos/2006/08/11/sacha.jpg[/IMG]
I just saw Talladega Nights, I thought it was way better than Anchor Man. As an avid fan of F1, I thought the ghey F1 driver coming over to beat Ricky Bobby was pretty a funny premise.
[SIZE=1]carry on[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
JAy-R
[QUOTE=sirfrankwilliams;17015752][IMG]http://images.usatoday.com/life/_photos/2006/08/11/sacha.jpg[/IMG]
I just saw Talladega Nights, I thought it was way better than Anchor Man. As an avid fan of F1, I thought the ghey F1 driver coming over to beat Ricky Bobby was pretty a funny premise.
[SIZE=1]carry on[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
| REX8 | 02-11-2007 10:24 PM |
[QUOTE=mofugga;17013100]you serious? you don't find it slightly humorous that he's in the top 5?[/QUOTE]
Why is that humorous? Their car is fast at Daytona. Much more to do with the car than him. He'll be the first to say that.
Your statement was sarcastic? I think that may have been lost on us...
What were you implying?
Why is that humorous? Their car is fast at Daytona. Much more to do with the car than him. He'll be the first to say that.
Your statement was sarcastic? I think that may have been lost on us...
What were you implying?
| Patrick Olsen | 02-11-2007 11:37 PM |
Omigod!!!1!one the new guy is totally beating the other drivers! NASCAR sucks, F1 rulz!!!
I'm guessing that's what he's implying.
Anyway, as to the topic at hand, that was good to see Boris Said all the way up in 6th, good for him.
Pat
I'm guessing that's what he's implying.
Anyway, as to the topic at hand, that was good to see Boris Said all the way up in 6th, good for him.
Pat
| wvallwheeldrive | 02-12-2007 03:04 AM |
[quote=D fresh;17018383]I'm just looking for someone to explain where they get off calling them "stock cars," when they most definately aren't anything close to what they sell in showrooms. I'm bringing this up here because I don't know any NASCAR fans personally, sorry if I offended the rednecks.:devil:[/quote]
Nascar started as "stock" car (actually tuned up sedans used by moonshiners) the cars have never offically been stock cars just resembled stock car, unibody cars off of the line where used untill the mid-70s when for safety reasons they started using tube framed cars that only resembled manufactures cars.
From wikipedia:
Early stock car racing
Early race drivers were often involved in bootlegging. Some accounts say that they all were. That is how (at least most of them) afforded the fastest and therefore most expensive machines--with their excessive moonshine profits. They ran moonshine down the twisty mountain roads to people during alcohol prohibition. The runners would modify their cars in order to create a faster, more maneuverable vehicle to evade the police, and came to love the fast paced driving. One of the main 'strips' in Knoxville, TN had its beginning as a mecca for aspiring bootlegging drivers. When the U.S. alcohol prohibition was lifted in 1933, the owners of these first "racecars" watched their profitable businesses dry up. Since they had no reason to use them for "runnin' shine" anymore and found themselves with time on their hands and a lot of money, many wanted to race their cars for pride and money. These races were popular entertainment in the rural Southern United States, and they are most closely associated with the Wilkes County region of North Carolina. Most races in those days were of modified cars, street vehicles which were lightened and reinforced.
Nascar started as "stock" car (actually tuned up sedans used by moonshiners) the cars have never offically been stock cars just resembled stock car, unibody cars off of the line where used untill the mid-70s when for safety reasons they started using tube framed cars that only resembled manufactures cars.
From wikipedia:
Early stock car racing
Early race drivers were often involved in bootlegging. Some accounts say that they all were. That is how (at least most of them) afforded the fastest and therefore most expensive machines--with their excessive moonshine profits. They ran moonshine down the twisty mountain roads to people during alcohol prohibition. The runners would modify their cars in order to create a faster, more maneuverable vehicle to evade the police, and came to love the fast paced driving. One of the main 'strips' in Knoxville, TN had its beginning as a mecca for aspiring bootlegging drivers. When the U.S. alcohol prohibition was lifted in 1933, the owners of these first "racecars" watched their profitable businesses dry up. Since they had no reason to use them for "runnin' shine" anymore and found themselves with time on their hands and a lot of money, many wanted to race their cars for pride and money. These races were popular entertainment in the rural Southern United States, and they are most closely associated with the Wilkes County region of North Carolina. Most races in those days were of modified cars, street vehicles which were lightened and reinforced.
| mofugga | 02-12-2007 05:47 AM |
[QUOTE=Patrick Olsen;17016797]Omigod!!!1!one the new guy is totally beating the other drivers! NASCAR sucks, F1 rulz!!!
I'm guessing that's what he's implying.
Anyway, as to the topic at hand, that was good to see Boris Said all the way up in 6th, good for him.
Pat[/QUOTE]
nope, not at all
yeah back to topic... said's crew chief, "nice job, i don't know how we did it but nice job":lol:
I'm guessing that's what he's implying.
Anyway, as to the topic at hand, that was good to see Boris Said all the way up in 6th, good for him.
Pat[/QUOTE]
nope, not at all
yeah back to topic... said's crew chief, "nice job, i don't know how we did it but nice job":lol:
| dibblejr | 02-12-2007 10:01 AM |
^^ You answered your own question. They just kept the name "stock car" that's all.
JAy-R
JAy-R
| REX8 | 02-12-2007 01:38 PM |
[QUOTE=mofugga;17018921]nope, not at all
yeah back to topic... said's crew chief, "nice job, i don't know how we did it but nice job":lol:[/QUOTE]
And still...no answer from you as to what you meant...
yeah back to topic... said's crew chief, "nice job, i don't know how we did it but nice job":lol:[/QUOTE]
And still...no answer from you as to what you meant...
| Patrick Olsen | 02-12-2007 01:53 PM |
[QUOTE=D fresh;17018849]We all know that at one time the cars were actually based off of a "stock car," but what I want to know is why they continue to call it "stock car," racing when it couldn't be further from the truth. These "stock cars" are tube framed, RWD, carbuerated, V8, pushrod machines. While the "stock cars" they are based off of are unibody, FWD (except for the Dodges), fuel injected, V6(again, except for the Dodges), and overhead cammed. I can understand the move to a tube framed car, but at least the drivetrains should resemble a "stock car" in some way shape or form.[/QUOTE]
Why is Formula 1 called "Formula 1"? Don't they change the formula every year?
Why are LeMans LMP cars and ALMS Daytona Prototypes referred to as "sports cars"? A Miata or an MG or (maybe) an Audi TT is a "sports car", an Audi R-10 is a purpose-built race car. The R-10 is at least a 2-seat open-top car (the traditional definition of a "sports car"), but a DP certainly isn't.
Why are BTCC and Aussie V8 and DTM referred to as sedan/saloon racing? They don't even have back seats! What kind of sedan/saloon only has a driver's seat?!
"Circle track racers" run on an awful lot of oval-shaped tracks, why do they call them "circle track" cars?
Man, I don't know if I'll be able to sleep tonight worrying about all this! :rolleyes:
Why is Formula 1 called "Formula 1"? Don't they change the formula every year?
Why are LeMans LMP cars and ALMS Daytona Prototypes referred to as "sports cars"? A Miata or an MG or (maybe) an Audi TT is a "sports car", an Audi R-10 is a purpose-built race car. The R-10 is at least a 2-seat open-top car (the traditional definition of a "sports car"), but a DP certainly isn't.
Why are BTCC and Aussie V8 and DTM referred to as sedan/saloon racing? They don't even have back seats! What kind of sedan/saloon only has a driver's seat?!
"Circle track racers" run on an awful lot of oval-shaped tracks, why do they call them "circle track" cars?
Man, I don't know if I'll be able to sleep tonight worrying about all this! :rolleyes:
| REX8 | 02-12-2007 03:51 PM |
[QUOTE=Patrick Olsen;17023131]Why is Formula 1 called "Formula 1"? Don't they change the formula every year?
Why are LeMans LMP cars and ALMS Daytona Prototypes referred to as "sports cars"? A Miata or an MG or (maybe) an Audi TT is a "sports car", an Audi R-10 is a purpose-built race car. The R-10 is at least a 2-seat open-top car (the traditional definition of a "sports car"), but a DP certainly isn't.
Why are BTCC and Aussie V8 and DTM referred to as sedan/saloon racing? They don't even have back seats! What kind of sedan/saloon only has a driver's seat?!
"Circle track racers" run on an awful lot of oval-shaped tracks, why do they call them "circle track" cars?
Man, I don't know if I'll be able to sleep tonight worrying about all this! :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y5/johnjanick/ohsnap2.jpg[/IMG]
Why are LeMans LMP cars and ALMS Daytona Prototypes referred to as "sports cars"? A Miata or an MG or (maybe) an Audi TT is a "sports car", an Audi R-10 is a purpose-built race car. The R-10 is at least a 2-seat open-top car (the traditional definition of a "sports car"), but a DP certainly isn't.
Why are BTCC and Aussie V8 and DTM referred to as sedan/saloon racing? They don't even have back seats! What kind of sedan/saloon only has a driver's seat?!
"Circle track racers" run on an awful lot of oval-shaped tracks, why do they call them "circle track" cars?
Man, I don't know if I'll be able to sleep tonight worrying about all this! :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y5/johnjanick/ohsnap2.jpg[/IMG]
| Opie | 02-12-2007 08:00 PM |
Awesome that Said qualified so well, he did well at Daytona last July he'll be fun to watch this weekend. Montoya was a surprise qualifying up top as well, I wonder how he will adapt to the drafting necessary at Daytona...same aas I wonder how the other Daytona first timers will adapt.
...and two Yates cars on the front row! Who would of guessed that?
...and two Yates cars on the front row! Who would of guessed that?
| D fresh | 02-13-2007 01:53 AM |
[QUOTE=Patrick Olsen;17023131]Why is Formula 1 called "Formula 1"? Don't they change the formula every year?
[COLOR="Red"]Because they are Formula cars and the pinnacle of racing, hence the 1.[/COLOR]
Why are LeMans LMP cars and ALMS Daytona Prototypes referred to as "sports cars"? A Miata or an MG or (maybe) an Audi TT is a "sports car", an Audi R-10 is a purpose-built race car. The R-10 is at least a 2-seat open-top car (the traditional definition of a "sports car"), but a DP certainly isn't.
[COLOR="Red"]Most people refer to them simply as prototypes.[/COLOR]
Why are BTCC and Aussie V8 and DTM referred to as sedan/saloon racing? They don't even have back seats! What kind of sedan/saloon only has a driver's seat?!
[COLOR="Red"]At least the cars you speak of appear to have 4 doors. When was the last time you saw a Charger or Fusion coupe? I see plenty of Sedans with only driver's seats, you've just got to know where to look.;)[/COLOR]
"Circle track racers" run on an awful lot of oval-shaped tracks, why do they call them "circle track" cars?
[COLOR="Red"]Because they only turn left. When you only turn one direction it is commonly reffered to as a circle regardless of the shape, i.e. "walking in cirlcles"[/COLOR]
Man, I don't know if I'll be able to sleep tonight worrying about all this! :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Responses are in red. I am not worried about it, I'm just looking for an answer to my question. And since nobody I know follows NASCAR, I figured I'd ask here and get a serious answer. Guess not.
[COLOR="Red"]Because they are Formula cars and the pinnacle of racing, hence the 1.[/COLOR]
Why are LeMans LMP cars and ALMS Daytona Prototypes referred to as "sports cars"? A Miata or an MG or (maybe) an Audi TT is a "sports car", an Audi R-10 is a purpose-built race car. The R-10 is at least a 2-seat open-top car (the traditional definition of a "sports car"), but a DP certainly isn't.
[COLOR="Red"]Most people refer to them simply as prototypes.[/COLOR]
Why are BTCC and Aussie V8 and DTM referred to as sedan/saloon racing? They don't even have back seats! What kind of sedan/saloon only has a driver's seat?!
[COLOR="Red"]At least the cars you speak of appear to have 4 doors. When was the last time you saw a Charger or Fusion coupe? I see plenty of Sedans with only driver's seats, you've just got to know where to look.;)[/COLOR]
"Circle track racers" run on an awful lot of oval-shaped tracks, why do they call them "circle track" cars?
[COLOR="Red"]Because they only turn left. When you only turn one direction it is commonly reffered to as a circle regardless of the shape, i.e. "walking in cirlcles"[/COLOR]
Man, I don't know if I'll be able to sleep tonight worrying about all this! :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Responses are in red. I am not worried about it, I'm just looking for an answer to my question. And since nobody I know follows NASCAR, I figured I'd ask here and get a serious answer. Guess not.
| Ferg | 02-13-2007 09:22 AM |
It's a brand name, nothing more.
Coca Cola no longer has cocaine but they still call it Coca Cola.
Jesus man, get over it :rolleyes:
Coca Cola no longer has cocaine but they still call it Coca Cola.
Jesus man, get over it :rolleyes:
| hotrod | 02-13-2007 10:03 AM |
[quote]I'm just looking for someone to explain where they get off calling them "stock cars," when they most definately aren't anything close to what they sell in showrooms.[/quote]
Its really very simple, up until the 1970's, they literally were production stock cars with some racing modifications. Into the 1980's they were production based but heavily modified stock cars. It is only in recent years that they went to custom bodies and got rid of all but a handful of stock body parts.
Up until recently, they still mandated the use of a 1965 Ford Galaxy floor pan for Fords, Chevys and Dodges alike. The rule set also mandated a factory stamped roof, hood and trunk lid. The rest of the body is hand formed.
This will all change with the car of tomorrow, I don't believe it has any OEM body panels included in its rules requirements.
Due to aerodynamic considerations all bodys must pass tech inspection with about 30 templates for form, shape and dimension. Without the templates tech inspections would be nearly impossible to inforce a "stock body" rule.
NASCAR was formed in February 1948, they were racing slightly hopped up stock cars. That is why NASCAR stands for National Association for [b]Stock Car Auto Racing[/b].
This as compared to the one off custom built roadsters run at the Indianapolis 500 and other racing series at the time.
Starting in 1982 when Benny Parsons first clocked a lap over 200 mph you begin to see a trend in the accidents at the super speed ways. You started to see flying cars as the aerodynamic forces were high enough to lift a car completely off the ground. This led to dramatic and severe accidents and a couple close calls were cars and crash debris clearly were at risk of going into the crowd in the grand stands.
This was simply not acceptable. A similar incident in europe at the 1928 Grand Prix which killed 27 spectators when a car went into the stands nearly killed auto racing world wide as the media jumped on it and began to popularize the image of racing being dangerous and reckless. In 1955, the 24 Hours of Le Mans the #20 Mercedes-Benz 300 SLR went into the crowd, killing 80 spectators and injuring about 100 more, by flying parts or from the fire. The death of the spectators was blamed on inadequate safety standards for track design, leading for a ban on motorsports in France, Switzerland, Germany, and other nations until the tracks could be brought to a higher safety standard. Switzerland's ban on racing was never lifted and continues to this day.
In 1964 at the Indianapolis 500 Eddie Sachs and Dave McDonnald were killed in a crash that resulted in 155 gallons of burning gasoline burning on the track and some got sprayed into the stands --- (this led to the banning of gasoline fuel at Indy, and the mandatory use of methanol).
Bill France was smart enough to realize that his racing organization and stock car racing would not survive that sort of event after a couple of crashes at other racing series put cars in the crowd, over the fences or threw debris or burning fuel and oil into the crowd.
This is when they began to move away from true production based cars simply because it was impossible to make a production car safe enough (or keep the crowd safe) at those speeds with true production based cars.
The 1970's and 80s and the changes that force on the automakers due to emissions and fuel milage, effectively killed the large engine sedans the sport was built around. As a result they had no choice but to adapt the rules to allow cars sold as front wheel drive to be raced in the traditional rear wheel drive configuration, with engines you could not buy in them from the factory.
Over the last 30 years the series has slowly morphed into a tightly controlled almost spec racing series. The same has happened or is happening to most of the other top level racing series whether you talk about drag racing or F1 they all do exactly the same thing.
Even in the series that retain "stock like" appearence such as the production classes in Le Manns or the Rolex series etc. the rules package makes them far from a production car.
It is just the traditional name for a race series that has been in use for 50+ years.
Larry
Its really very simple, up until the 1970's, they literally were production stock cars with some racing modifications. Into the 1980's they were production based but heavily modified stock cars. It is only in recent years that they went to custom bodies and got rid of all but a handful of stock body parts.
Up until recently, they still mandated the use of a 1965 Ford Galaxy floor pan for Fords, Chevys and Dodges alike. The rule set also mandated a factory stamped roof, hood and trunk lid. The rest of the body is hand formed.
This will all change with the car of tomorrow, I don't believe it has any OEM body panels included in its rules requirements.
Due to aerodynamic considerations all bodys must pass tech inspection with about 30 templates for form, shape and dimension. Without the templates tech inspections would be nearly impossible to inforce a "stock body" rule.
NASCAR was formed in February 1948, they were racing slightly hopped up stock cars. That is why NASCAR stands for National Association for [b]Stock Car Auto Racing[/b].
This as compared to the one off custom built roadsters run at the Indianapolis 500 and other racing series at the time.
Starting in 1982 when Benny Parsons first clocked a lap over 200 mph you begin to see a trend in the accidents at the super speed ways. You started to see flying cars as the aerodynamic forces were high enough to lift a car completely off the ground. This led to dramatic and severe accidents and a couple close calls were cars and crash debris clearly were at risk of going into the crowd in the grand stands.
This was simply not acceptable. A similar incident in europe at the 1928 Grand Prix which killed 27 spectators when a car went into the stands nearly killed auto racing world wide as the media jumped on it and began to popularize the image of racing being dangerous and reckless. In 1955, the 24 Hours of Le Mans the #20 Mercedes-Benz 300 SLR went into the crowd, killing 80 spectators and injuring about 100 more, by flying parts or from the fire. The death of the spectators was blamed on inadequate safety standards for track design, leading for a ban on motorsports in France, Switzerland, Germany, and other nations until the tracks could be brought to a higher safety standard. Switzerland's ban on racing was never lifted and continues to this day.
In 1964 at the Indianapolis 500 Eddie Sachs and Dave McDonnald were killed in a crash that resulted in 155 gallons of burning gasoline burning on the track and some got sprayed into the stands --- (this led to the banning of gasoline fuel at Indy, and the mandatory use of methanol).
Bill France was smart enough to realize that his racing organization and stock car racing would not survive that sort of event after a couple of crashes at other racing series put cars in the crowd, over the fences or threw debris or burning fuel and oil into the crowd.
This is when they began to move away from true production based cars simply because it was impossible to make a production car safe enough (or keep the crowd safe) at those speeds with true production based cars.
The 1970's and 80s and the changes that force on the automakers due to emissions and fuel milage, effectively killed the large engine sedans the sport was built around. As a result they had no choice but to adapt the rules to allow cars sold as front wheel drive to be raced in the traditional rear wheel drive configuration, with engines you could not buy in them from the factory.
Over the last 30 years the series has slowly morphed into a tightly controlled almost spec racing series. The same has happened or is happening to most of the other top level racing series whether you talk about drag racing or F1 they all do exactly the same thing.
Even in the series that retain "stock like" appearence such as the production classes in Le Manns or the Rolex series etc. the rules package makes them far from a production car.
It is just the traditional name for a race series that has been in use for 50+ years.
Larry
| D fresh | 02-14-2007 01:13 AM |
[QUOTE=hotrod;17034592]It is just the traditional name for a race series that has been in use for 50+ years.[/QUOTE]
I guess it'll never make sense to me. The traditional name for a car was "horseless carriage" maybe it should be called NASHCAR.:devil:
I guess it'll never make sense to me. The traditional name for a car was "horseless carriage" maybe it should be called NASHCAR.:devil:
| soldmyboxster | 02-14-2007 07:21 AM |
I don't give a damn about NASCAR, but I just saw on CNN four team's crew chiefs got busted for cheating.
| bemani | 02-15-2007 01:34 PM |
1 more:
[url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/racing/02/15/waltrip.ap/index.html?cnn=yes[/url]
Jet fuel FTW?!
[url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/racing/02/15/waltrip.ap/index.html?cnn=yes[/url]
Jet fuel FTW?!
| dibblejr | 02-15-2007 01:35 PM |
^^ They will have jet engine in a few years to add on to the "Stock Car" misconception.
Jay-R
Jay-R
| mrpedal | 02-15-2007 09:27 PM |
[QUOTE=bemani;17064451]1 more:
[url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/racing/02/15/waltrip.ap/index.html?cnn=yes[/url]
Jet fuel FTW?![/QUOTE]
[url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/lars_anderson/02/15/cheating/[/url]
"He said that he didn't know who added the Vaseline-like substance that was found in the intake manifold."
what is this- residue from octane boost of some kind? And if so, wouldn't he need some kind of tune to get some extra go out of it? How's this 'cheat' work?
[url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/racing/02/15/waltrip.ap/index.html?cnn=yes[/url]
Jet fuel FTW?![/QUOTE]
[url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/lars_anderson/02/15/cheating/[/url]
"He said that he didn't know who added the Vaseline-like substance that was found in the intake manifold."
what is this- residue from octane boost of some kind? And if so, wouldn't he need some kind of tune to get some extra go out of it? How's this 'cheat' work?
| REX8 | 02-15-2007 09:37 PM |
[QUOTE=mrpedal;17070808][url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/lars_anderson/02/15/cheating/[/url]
"He said that he didn't know who added the Vaseline-like substance that was found in the intake manifold."
what is this- residue from octane boost of some kind? And if so, wouldn't he need some kind of tune to get some extra go out of it? How's this 'cheat' work?[/QUOTE]
They said it absolutely wasn't jet fuel.
People have equated it to the jelly stuff in a "Sterno"...aka an octane booster.
It was added to the fuel system somewhere, not simply on the intake runners.
"He said that he didn't know who added the Vaseline-like substance that was found in the intake manifold."
what is this- residue from octane boost of some kind? And if so, wouldn't he need some kind of tune to get some extra go out of it? How's this 'cheat' work?[/QUOTE]
They said it absolutely wasn't jet fuel.
People have equated it to the jelly stuff in a "Sterno"...aka an octane booster.
It was added to the fuel system somewhere, not simply on the intake runners.
| mrpedal | 02-15-2007 10:40 PM |
[QUOTE=REX8;17070921]They said it absolutely wasn't jet fuel.
People have equated it to the jelly stuff in a "Sterno"...aka an octane booster.
It was added to the fuel system somewhere, not simply on the intake runners.[/QUOTE]
Pardon my noobness, but if it's an octane boost, would they need to have some kind of engine management to get use out of it? Although, I was reading this:
[url]http://www.slate.com/id/2159854/[/url]
..and they mention oxidizers, which would just be adding bang and might not need tuning to get use out of it. Sterno has a low flashpoint, so I could see that being easy:
[QUOTE]You can also juice up your fuel: Some racers used to add oxidizing chemicals, which at high temperatures would release oxygen into the engine and improve performance. These days, inspectors keep a close eye on fuel, making this method uncommon among professionals.[/QUOTE]
Haven't paid much attention to nascar in lots of years. Kinda into the tech behind this 'drama' if you can call it that
People have equated it to the jelly stuff in a "Sterno"...aka an octane booster.
It was added to the fuel system somewhere, not simply on the intake runners.[/QUOTE]
Pardon my noobness, but if it's an octane boost, would they need to have some kind of engine management to get use out of it? Although, I was reading this:
[url]http://www.slate.com/id/2159854/[/url]
..and they mention oxidizers, which would just be adding bang and might not need tuning to get use out of it. Sterno has a low flashpoint, so I could see that being easy:
[QUOTE]You can also juice up your fuel: Some racers used to add oxidizing chemicals, which at high temperatures would release oxygen into the engine and improve performance. These days, inspectors keep a close eye on fuel, making this method uncommon among professionals.[/QUOTE]
Haven't paid much attention to nascar in lots of years. Kinda into the tech behind this 'drama' if you can call it that
| D fresh | 02-18-2007 01:25 AM |
[QUOTE=mrpedal;17071602]Pardon my noobness, but if it's an octane boost, would they need to have some kind of engine management to get use out of it? [/QUOTE]
No engine management in a carbuerated car.:devil:
No engine management in a carbuerated car.:devil:
| Bonzo | 02-18-2007 11:09 AM |
[QUOTE=D fresh;17092024]No engine management in a carbuerated car.:devil:[/QUOTE]
ed zachary!!!
The simple beauty of a device that calibrates and meters by simple mechanical means. No ecu's, no wiring, no progamming compy's, no cheating.
Engineering simplcity ftw.
Also hvaing uni-bodied cars crashing at extreme;y high speeds is not the safest. Making relatively simple tube framed cars are not only safer but cost effective when you race close to 40 times per year.
In every form of racing you have cheating. But it's only cheating if you get caught. Bending or interpreting the rules is all part of the competition.
ed zachary!!!
The simple beauty of a device that calibrates and meters by simple mechanical means. No ecu's, no wiring, no progamming compy's, no cheating.
Engineering simplcity ftw.
Also hvaing uni-bodied cars crashing at extreme;y high speeds is not the safest. Making relatively simple tube framed cars are not only safer but cost effective when you race close to 40 times per year.
In every form of racing you have cheating. But it's only cheating if you get caught. Bending or interpreting the rules is all part of the competition.
| KC | 02-18-2007 04:01 PM |
So far...zzzzzz
nice spin/save by Boris tho :)
nice spin/save by Boris tho :)
| REX8 | 02-18-2007 04:12 PM |
So much for JPM having a fast car...:furious:
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