| Jewbaru | 05-19-2002 05:27 PM |
hmm
doh, that sucks for Tommi.
| Jewbaru | 05-19-2002 05:29 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by tonytiger [/i]
[B]EDIT: If you haven't heard already, Marcus WAS disqualified by the ******* judges. Marcus wasn't even heard about the issue. His effort was thrown away because he had had some advice from the team mechanics which is forbidden. [/B][/QUOTE]
Really? Then what does this mean?
[quote]- having summoned and heard the entrant of car No.2 who admitted the facts[/quote]
[B]EDIT: If you haven't heard already, Marcus WAS disqualified by the ******* judges. Marcus wasn't even heard about the issue. His effort was thrown away because he had had some advice from the team mechanics which is forbidden. [/B][/QUOTE]
Really? Then what does this mean?
[quote]- having summoned and heard the entrant of car No.2 who admitted the facts[/quote]
| johnfelstead | 05-19-2002 06:20 PM |
This is kind of a bull**** reason as its very common for the drivers to use the radio to get verbal asistance when repairing a car. I remember Francois Delecour getting the same verbal assistance by a mechanic when he broke a front strut, he wasnt excluded.
As the mechanics didnt touch the car, i cant see why he would be excluded for getting advice. Maybe the reason is that the mechanic was stood in a prohibited area? If that is the case then i can understand the exclusion.
We need more facts really as to the specific rule broken. It's pretty harsh though, especially after Loeb only lost one place in monte carlo, and that was for actually doing something illegal on the car by swaping tyres. This seems rather inconsistent to me, AGAIN! :(
As the mechanics didnt touch the car, i cant see why he would be excluded for getting advice. Maybe the reason is that the mechanic was stood in a prohibited area? If that is the case then i can understand the exclusion.
We need more facts really as to the specific rule broken. It's pretty harsh though, especially after Loeb only lost one place in monte carlo, and that was for actually doing something illegal on the car by swaping tyres. This seems rather inconsistent to me, AGAIN! :(
| tonytiger | 05-19-2002 06:47 PM |
At the television interview Marcus stated that mechanics weren't in the prohibitted area and the judgement was given on the basis of oral advicing. Marcus pointed a scene from the past when Burns got adviced before the last rally of the season 2001. Burns wasn't punished.
Marcus got the judges' statement on a paper and wiped his ass on the television with it :)
tony
Marcus got the judges' statement on a paper and wiped his ass on the television with it :)
tony
| TampaWRX | 05-19-2002 07:33 PM |
I find myself more and more in agreement with Marcus Gronholm's assessment of Tommi Makinen's current ability. :( When will the destruction end?????
| johnfelstead | 05-19-2002 07:45 PM |
just watched the coverage.
Tommi's crash was HUGE, the spectators are very very lucky!!
OK, the rule that caused Gronholmes exclusion is a simple one and they did break it! No team member is allowed within 1Km of the car once it is outside the service area.
So although the mechanic didnt touch the car, he should have been nowhere near it. They should have used the radio!
It's a harsh penalty, but illegal servicing is a major rule and they should have known better so the exclusion is valid as they broke a hard and fast rule. You cant argue with that.
At least Peugeot have more consideration for the sport and didnt protest it as they knew they were wrong, unlike their french couterparts Citroen, who were very cynical in Monte Carlo.
Tommi's crash was HUGE, the spectators are very very lucky!!
OK, the rule that caused Gronholmes exclusion is a simple one and they did break it! No team member is allowed within 1Km of the car once it is outside the service area.
So although the mechanic didnt touch the car, he should have been nowhere near it. They should have used the radio!
It's a harsh penalty, but illegal servicing is a major rule and they should have known better so the exclusion is valid as they broke a hard and fast rule. You cant argue with that.
At least Peugeot have more consideration for the sport and didnt protest it as they knew they were wrong, unlike their french couterparts Citroen, who were very cynical in Monte Carlo.
| kgb | 05-19-2002 09:27 PM |
So have we declared this season as a write-off for both Driver's Championship and Constructor's title? Another event, another DNF for Tommi - what gives? Peugeot is running away 1-2 and the manufacturer's title.
| trinidriver | 05-19-2002 09:36 PM |
I'm not writing Tommi's chance for the Driver's Championship. Tommi was going pretty fast before the crach and Gronholm didn't get any points either. Let's keep our fingers crossed.
| MstrDC | 05-19-2002 10:22 PM |
I think what Tommi did was great. He knew he had to win, it was a do or die situation. Either you push hard or not at all if you want to win. Sure he pushed too hard, but he was doing what he thought he had to do. Would he have pushed that hard if he knew Gronholm was gonna be DQ'ed? Of course not, and I bet it's a decision he doesn't regret. You don't become the greatest by playing it safe.
| brainrally | 05-19-2002 11:01 PM |
Breaking News...Burns DSQ'd
Apparently Burns' Peugeot had too light a flywheel, so he was DSQ'd. Peugeot gets no points. Ford gets 14. Subaru gets 6. Petter gets 6 driver's points.
While I didn't want to see another Pug 1-2, this sure is a crappy way for them to lose.
Peugeot is not appealing either decision.
While I didn't want to see another Pug 1-2, this sure is a crappy way for them to lose.
Peugeot is not appealing either decision.
| briank | 05-19-2002 11:03 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B]just watched the coverage.
Tommi's crash was HUGE, the spectators are very very lucky!!
[/B][/QUOTE]
Man I just saw the clips too and it was a huge crash!
Did you see that one fan?!?! Tommi's car was flipping towards him. He was a goner for sure until somehow Tommi's car flipped high enough to flip right over the fan clearing him by 1 foot.
Man was that guy incredibly lucky! He'll have a great story to tell at the pub.
-BrianK
[B]just watched the coverage.
Tommi's crash was HUGE, the spectators are very very lucky!!
[/B][/QUOTE]
Man I just saw the clips too and it was a huge crash!
Did you see that one fan?!?! Tommi's car was flipping towards him. He was a goner for sure until somehow Tommi's car flipped high enough to flip right over the fan clearing him by 1 foot.
Man was that guy incredibly lucky! He'll have a great story to tell at the pub.
-BrianK
| MGXsport | 05-19-2002 11:37 PM |
That was huge! The spectator was lucky to get out of there with his head still atop his shoulders.
Chris
Chris
| Peter Hadfield | 05-19-2002 11:47 PM |
I just saw that myself:eek: Time for a change of them shorts pardner!:D
| rogue | 05-20-2002 12:02 AM |
"And then the Impreza came flying over the hill and it bounced in front of me and it flipped right over my head and missed me by about three inches and all I could think was...
GO SKODA!"
GO SKODA!"
| Thug | 05-20-2002 12:03 AM |
Re: Breaking News...Burns DSQ'd
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by brainrally [/i]
[B]Apparently Burns' Peugeot had too light a flywheel, so he was DSQ'd. Peugeot gets no points. Ford gets 14. Subaru gets 6. Petter gets 6 driver's points.
While I didn't want to see another Pug 1-2, this sure is a crappy way for them to lose.
Peugeot is not appealing either decision. [/B][/QUOTE]
You sure about that dude? I dont see anything about it on [url]www.rally-live.com[/url]
[B]Apparently Burns' Peugeot had too light a flywheel, so he was DSQ'd. Peugeot gets no points. Ford gets 14. Subaru gets 6. Petter gets 6 driver's points.
While I didn't want to see another Pug 1-2, this sure is a crappy way for them to lose.
Peugeot is not appealing either decision. [/B][/QUOTE]
You sure about that dude? I dont see anything about it on [url]www.rally-live.com[/url]
| MGXsport | 05-20-2002 12:19 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Peter Hadfield [/i]
[B]Time for a change of them shorts pardner!:D [/B][/QUOTE]
:lol:
[IMG]http://www.msnusers.com/srvv2bv4l829shbc35lriedin2/Documents/Pictures%2FEvoRacing3.JPG[/IMG]
I still think my experience was scarier :rolleyes: :p
Chris
[B]Time for a change of them shorts pardner!:D [/B][/QUOTE]
:lol:
[IMG]http://www.msnusers.com/srvv2bv4l829shbc35lriedin2/Documents/Pictures%2FEvoRacing3.JPG[/IMG]
I still think my experience was scarier :rolleyes: :p
Chris
| ChrisW | 05-20-2002 12:37 AM |
WOW
aparently it's true!
Burns was DQ'ed!:eek:
[QUOTE]
UPDATE
Sunday 19 May 22h00
The Stewards, having received a report from the FIA Technical Delegate that car N°1 Burns/Reid, Peugeot, does not comply with the homologation form, having summoned the entrant of car N° 1, having ascertained that crew N°1 has breached art.15.1.5 and 15.1.8 of the 2002 General Prescription for all FIA Championships, after due deliberation
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]
[b]OFFICIAL FINAL CLASSIFICATION [/b]
1 Sainz (E) Ford 4h 08m 09.1
2 Solberg (N) Subaru +04.0
3 C. McRae (GB) Ford +2m 19.1
4 Martin (EE) Ford +2m 52.4
5 Gardemeister (FIN) Skoda +5m 18.8
6 Eriksson (S) Skoda +6m 16.6
7 Kankkunen (FIN) Hyundai +8m 03.3
8 A. McRae (GB) Mitsubishi +8m 49.6
9 Pozzo (RA) Skoda +13m 58.9
10 Ferreyros (RA) Mitsubishi +24m 18.5 [/QUOTE]
[URL=http://www.fia.com/FreePress/ralnews4.htm]FIA news link[/URL]
Burns was DQ'ed!:eek:
[QUOTE]
UPDATE
Sunday 19 May 22h00
The Stewards, having received a report from the FIA Technical Delegate that car N°1 Burns/Reid, Peugeot, does not comply with the homologation form, having summoned the entrant of car N° 1, having ascertained that crew N°1 has breached art.15.1.5 and 15.1.8 of the 2002 General Prescription for all FIA Championships, after due deliberation
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]
[b]OFFICIAL FINAL CLASSIFICATION [/b]
1 Sainz (E) Ford 4h 08m 09.1
2 Solberg (N) Subaru +04.0
3 C. McRae (GB) Ford +2m 19.1
4 Martin (EE) Ford +2m 52.4
5 Gardemeister (FIN) Skoda +5m 18.8
6 Eriksson (S) Skoda +6m 16.6
7 Kankkunen (FIN) Hyundai +8m 03.3
8 A. McRae (GB) Mitsubishi +8m 49.6
9 Pozzo (RA) Skoda +13m 58.9
10 Ferreyros (RA) Mitsubishi +24m 18.5 [/QUOTE]
[URL=http://www.fia.com/FreePress/ralnews4.htm]FIA news link[/URL]
| Rattler | 05-20-2002 04:00 AM |
I laughed my butt off when they asked Carlos what he thought of Solberg saying he wasn't going to try to catch Carlos. "You really believe that?" says Carlos. Just the look he had when they asked.
:lol::lol::lol:
7 or 8 rolls by Tommi. Man that waas terrible. At least they were OK. He was doing a good McRae win or crash imitation for sure.
:lol::lol::lol:
7 or 8 rolls by Tommi. Man that waas terrible. At least they were OK. He was doing a good McRae win or crash imitation for sure.
| tonytiger | 05-20-2002 04:25 AM |
Maybe already said, but burns had a too light flywheel. That's what I call breaking the rules, assuming the rules have a clear weight limit for it.
Local N-group driver and his co got ban for participation for the several next rallys something like month ago. They had the blowoff valve pointing at wrong direction.
tony
Local N-group driver and his co got ban for participation for the several next rallys something like month ago. They had the blowoff valve pointing at wrong direction.
tony
| Shik | 05-20-2002 06:01 AM |
Well, Congrats to Carlos, Petter, and McRae then!!!!! Excellent!
Although I do agree that it sucks for a driver to put his heart into a drive, only for it to be taken away from something he had absolutely no control over, such as Loeb in MC.
But, rules are rules.
Maybe they'll find something wrong with Carlos's car and Petter will win :lol:
Although I do agree that it sucks for a driver to put his heart into a drive, only for it to be taken away from something he had absolutely no control over, such as Loeb in MC.
But, rules are rules.
Maybe they'll find something wrong with Carlos's car and Petter will win :lol:
| Jewbaru | 05-20-2002 11:30 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B]We need more facts really as to the specific rule broken. It's pretty harsh though, especially after Loeb only lost one place in monte carlo, and that was for actually doing something illegal on the car by swaping tyres. This seems rather inconsistent to me, AGAIN! :( [/B][/QUOTE]
John,
I think it was because the service people were in an illegal area, you could see them walk infront of the car on the footage.
Also, I feel EXACTLY the same way. Why was Loeb penalized 2mins, and Marcus DSQ'd when they both broke the rules? Could it be favortism at the French rally to appease the fans? Could they have tightened down this rally to make the championship more exciting? hmm...
[B]We need more facts really as to the specific rule broken. It's pretty harsh though, especially after Loeb only lost one place in monte carlo, and that was for actually doing something illegal on the car by swaping tyres. This seems rather inconsistent to me, AGAIN! :( [/B][/QUOTE]
John,
I think it was because the service people were in an illegal area, you could see them walk infront of the car on the footage.
Also, I feel EXACTLY the same way. Why was Loeb penalized 2mins, and Marcus DSQ'd when they both broke the rules? Could it be favortism at the French rally to appease the fans? Could they have tightened down this rally to make the championship more exciting? hmm...
| Thug | 05-20-2002 11:32 AM |
Any service person going near a car in a Parc Ferme is a big no-no and automatic grounds for a DQ. Even I know that and Ive only done one rally under FIA rules.
| bemani | 05-20-2002 02:12 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Shik [/i]
[B]Maybe they'll find something wrong with Carlos's car and Petter will win :lol: [/B][/QUOTE]
No man, Petter needs to win his rally by being the fastest, not because everyone in front of him got DQ.
I won't be too happy about 'winning' this rally if I'm Carlos Sainz either.
[B]Maybe they'll find something wrong with Carlos's car and Petter will win :lol: [/B][/QUOTE]
No man, Petter needs to win his rally by being the fastest, not because everyone in front of him got DQ.
I won't be too happy about 'winning' this rally if I'm Carlos Sainz either.
| johnfelstead | 05-20-2002 05:07 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B]OK, the rule that caused Gronholmes exclusion is a simple one and they did break it! No team member is allowed within 1Km of the car once it is outside the service area.
[/B][/QUOTE]
I know Jewbaru, i posted just after the one you quoted after finding the real reason out. :lol:
Doing a brucelee and quoting myself. :D
[B]OK, the rule that caused Gronholmes exclusion is a simple one and they did break it! No team member is allowed within 1Km of the car once it is outside the service area.
[/B][/QUOTE]
I know Jewbaru, i posted just after the one you quoted after finding the real reason out. :lol:
Doing a brucelee and quoting myself. :D
| Dussander | 05-21-2002 10:38 AM |
Did anyone notice in the video footage during the trophy ceremony how Burns pushed Petter's arm down during the photographs? Petter was holding his trophy up and apparently Burns thought it was blocking his face for the photographs so he pushed Petters arm down. It seemed so childish.
I too loved Sainz's response about Petter not pushing. The funny part was when Petter did push.
Colin seems much more humble this year. I like him more and I like Burns less.
I too loved Sainz's response about Petter not pushing. The funny part was when Petter did push.
Colin seems much more humble this year. I like him more and I like Burns less.
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