| Rallycarperson | 10-27-2005 03:08 PM |
NEW 2006 Rally America Schedule...!
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They added [b]2 new events[/b]: the Reno rally and the 100 Acre Wood is now a Prorally. ;)
2006 Rally America Championship:
Sno*Drift: January 27-28
100 Acre Wood: February 24�25
Oregon Trail: April 21�23
Susquehannock Trail Rally: June 3
Maine Forest Rally: July 28�29
Ojibwe Forests Rally: August 25�26
Colorado Cog: September 23-24
Lake Superior Rally: October 20�21
Reno Rally: December 1-2
~Mark
2006 Rally America Championship:
Sno*Drift: January 27-28
100 Acre Wood: February 24�25
Oregon Trail: April 21�23
Susquehannock Trail Rally: June 3
Maine Forest Rally: July 28�29
Ojibwe Forests Rally: August 25�26
Colorado Cog: September 23-24
Lake Superior Rally: October 20�21
Reno Rally: December 1-2
~Mark
| wrx_evo_jetta | 10-27-2005 03:15 PM |
any info on when they will be airing? I am assuming on the speed channel
| Rallycarperson | 10-27-2005 03:24 PM |
You mean the 2005 or 2006 season??
The 2005 season is airing all this month and including next month, Saturday at 5:00pm ET on OLN.
~Mark
The 2005 season is airing all this month and including next month, Saturday at 5:00pm ET on OLN.
~Mark
| 10th Warrior | 10-27-2005 03:36 PM |
w00t for 100AW :D
| WagonMonster | 10-27-2005 04:27 PM |
Sucks that Reno is 1 week before Laughlin.
I wish Rally America and USRC would kiss & make up.
I wish Rally America and USRC would kiss & make up.
| wrx_evo_jetta | 10-27-2005 04:29 PM |
wait so rally... Reno?? Where ??
| WagonMonster | 10-27-2005 04:31 PM |
Call me crazy, but I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say Reno.
| wrx_evo_jetta | 10-27-2005 04:32 PM |
[QUOTE=WagonMonster]Call me crazy, but I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say Reno.[/QUOTE]
Hahahah!! NO, I meant where in Reno ..
Hahahah!! NO, I meant where in Reno ..
| Rallycarperson | 10-27-2005 04:44 PM |
Reno, NV bish!! I dunno where in Reno...:lol:
~Mark
~Mark
| wrx_evo_jetta | 10-27-2005 04:45 PM |
well then let someone that knows bish!!! .. lol
| akuhner | 10-27-2005 04:51 PM |
It's happening in Reno this year too, it's just not a National rally yet (no Prorally no mo). I don't know where, the only things I know about Reno I learned on Reno 911. 7 out of 9 count for position points, all 9 count for start/finish points. Hum, Otis better wrap up Grp N points by the end of Maine so we don't have to go West again!
Alex
NC Rally Crew Chief
Alex
NC Rally Crew Chief
| M. Hurst | 10-27-2005 05:00 PM |
[QUOTE=WagonMonster]Sucks that Reno is 1 week before Laughlin.
I wish Rally America and USRC would kiss & make up.[/QUOTE]
There might be as many eastern competitors running both and taking advantage of a "two for one" on transcontinental towing, as there are competitors having to choose one over the other.
The combined stage mileage would probably still be less than a rally from the 80's.
Maybe an award for the best combined finish?
I wish Rally America and USRC would kiss & make up.[/QUOTE]
There might be as many eastern competitors running both and taking advantage of a "two for one" on transcontinental towing, as there are competitors having to choose one over the other.
The combined stage mileage would probably still be less than a rally from the 80's.
Maybe an award for the best combined finish?
| Sean | 10-27-2005 11:27 PM |
They're airing on [url=http://www.olntv.com/]OLN[/url]. Sucks. I finally run Maine Forest, get all psyched to try/hope to see myself on TV after getting interviewed multiple times, and Dish Network drops OLN from their lineup! :furious: :lol:
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| Protege Menace | 10-28-2005 02:49 AM |
[QUOTE=Sean]They're airing on [url=http://www.olntv.com/]OLN[/url]. Sucks. I finally run Maine Forest, get all psyched to try/hope to see myself on TV after getting interviewed multiple times, and Dish Network drops OLN from their lineup! :furious: :lol:
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i saw the puics you boght on onalimbracing and thought that right 5 over kick was from LSPR, we had the SAME EXACT corner.
then i didnt remember you at LSPR :(
but that rock on the apex of the right corner was identical to LSPR.
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i saw the puics you boght on onalimbracing and thought that right 5 over kick was from LSPR, we had the SAME EXACT corner.
then i didnt remember you at LSPR :(
but that rock on the apex of the right corner was identical to LSPR.
| dakwrx | 10-28-2005 05:48 PM |
bring rally closer!
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I wish there was a rally event closer to where I live in North Carolina. There are great rally style roads around the Smoky Mountains!!
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| RichardM | 10-28-2005 06:47 PM |
[QUOTE=dakwrx]I wish there was a rally event closer to where I live in North Carolina. There are great rally style roads around the Smoky Mountains!!
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Sand Blast is a NASA Rally Sport event that will be fairly close to you. Find their web site and volunteer to help. Best way to see an event is from the inside.
Richard
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Sand Blast is a NASA Rally Sport event that will be fairly close to you. Find their web site and volunteer to help. Best way to see an event is from the inside.
Richard
| akuhner | 10-29-2005 10:08 AM |
[QUOTE=dakwrx]I wish there was a rally event closer to where I live in North Carolina. [/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.carolinars.com/[/url]
Matt is a rally event in himself! I've crewed for him most of the year. Unfortunately rallly isn't a local thing, I've been to 8 rallies this year and 1 of them was within a 3 hour drive. I flew to 3 of them.
[url]http://www.carolinars.com/[/url]
Matt is a rally event in himself! I've crewed for him most of the year. Unfortunately rallly isn't a local thing, I've been to 8 rallies this year and 1 of them was within a 3 hour drive. I flew to 3 of them.
| wvonkessler | 10-29-2005 03:32 PM |
[QUOTE=dakwrx]I wish there was a rally event closer to where I live in North Carolina. There are great rally style roads around the Smoky Mountains!!
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Sandhills Sandblast - Cheraw, SC
Cherokee Trails - Chattanooga, TN
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Sandhills Sandblast - Cheraw, SC
Cherokee Trails - Chattanooga, TN
| Rallycarperson | 10-29-2005 04:43 PM |
Anyone know the Subaru lineup for the 06' season?? I just felt like there are more deserving drivers that belong in those seats.
OK, they bring in more popularity...but did they really??
~Mark
OK, they bring in more popularity...but did they really??
~Mark
| Subie Gal | 10-29-2005 04:59 PM |
Deserving drivers?
dont tell me you think they are riding in those cars for free :lol:
dont tell me you think they are riding in those cars for free :lol:
| XenoWolf | 10-29-2005 05:14 PM |
Ugh.. what's everyones problem with Travis and Ken?
| digitalpimp | 10-29-2005 05:50 PM |
no kidding, i've never seen them be rude to anybody (and the only event i wasn't at was snodrift) and they have put in some good stage times.
| M. Hurst | 10-29-2005 05:50 PM |
[QUOTE=Rallycarperson]Anyone know the Subaru lineup for the 06' season?? I just felt like there are more deserving drivers that belong in those seats.
OK, they bring in more popularity...but did they really??
~Mark[/QUOTE]
For what liitle rally experience they had, Travis and Ken both did very well. I expected Travis to be fast, but Ken is a real suprise. They're not at Pat's level, but as it turned out, neither was Stig!
With the exception of about 20 drivers world wide, the guy who can put the deal together is the guy who gets the ride.
The fact that Travis and Pat are well supported does not mean others can not find support, in fact the opposite is probably true.
OK, they bring in more popularity...but did they really??
~Mark[/QUOTE]
For what liitle rally experience they had, Travis and Ken both did very well. I expected Travis to be fast, but Ken is a real suprise. They're not at Pat's level, but as it turned out, neither was Stig!
With the exception of about 20 drivers world wide, the guy who can put the deal together is the guy who gets the ride.
The fact that Travis and Pat are well supported does not mean others can not find support, in fact the opposite is probably true.
| WRXedUSA | 10-29-2005 06:48 PM |
Uh, no Pike's Peak??
| Kuth678 | 10-29-2005 07:32 PM |
[QUOTE=XenoWolf]Ugh.. what's everyones problem with Travis and Ken?[/QUOTE]
No problem with either of them;
I've met Travis in person, extremely nice guy, very cool.
Ken I've talked to over email, also a great guy. I've even got a picture of his car as the banner on my site (with his permission of course) [url]www.rallyvids.com[/url]
- Kevin
No problem with either of them;
I've met Travis in person, extremely nice guy, very cool.
Ken I've talked to over email, also a great guy. I've even got a picture of his car as the banner on my site (with his permission of course) [url]www.rallyvids.com[/url]
- Kevin
| Rallycarperson | 10-29-2005 08:46 PM |
[QUOTE=Subie Gal]Deserving drivers?
dont tell me you think they are riding in those cars for free :lol:[/QUOTE]
I know that both Ken and Travis are very good...I never said they weren't.
But what ever happened to Karl Schieble or Ramana Lageman, someone from Europe, etc. I didn't like that really good drivers got replaced by them. I think I used the word 'deserving' in the wrong way, but I meant with a little more rally experience. Just my feelings...
~Mark
dont tell me you think they are riding in those cars for free :lol:[/QUOTE]
I know that both Ken and Travis are very good...I never said they weren't.
But what ever happened to Karl Schieble or Ramana Lageman, someone from Europe, etc. I didn't like that really good drivers got replaced by them. I think I used the word 'deserving' in the wrong way, but I meant with a little more rally experience. Just my feelings...
~Mark
| aprally | 10-29-2005 08:54 PM |
I truely understand where Mark is going with this. Although he might have said it a little too harshly. :lol:
Travis and Ken are superb drivers do not get me wrong. It just seems to me they came a little bit out of nowhere, and I would like to see some ace veteran claim the seat. I have no problem with them.
Travis and Ken are superb drivers do not get me wrong. It just seems to me they came a little bit out of nowhere, and I would like to see some ace veteran claim the seat. I have no problem with them.
| XenoWolf | 10-29-2005 09:37 PM |
There is plenty of room for more cars I'd assume... if those more deserving drivers really wanted to be part of the series, my guess is that they would be. I don't see how Travis or Ken are stopping them.
| rallynutdon | 10-29-2005 10:46 PM |
[QUOTE=WRXedUSA]Uh, no Pike's Peak??[/QUOTE]
Never was truely a rally. And the spectator safety probably doesn't quite come up to rallying standards.
Never was truely a rally. And the spectator safety probably doesn't quite come up to rallying standards.
| akuhner | 10-30-2005 12:14 AM |
You guys understand that Travis and Ken are not really a "Subaru of America Rally Team," right? Sure, they get some support money from SOA, but SOA is just another sponsor - Travis gets money from all his other sponsors as well, and Ken gets money from DC Shoes. They are also both rich guys who may or may not be pitching in some of their own money. I have no idea how much, or what percent of their budget comes from any single sponsor, but it's not just Subaru. There is not an SOA rally team anymore. It's two rich guys with a handful of sponsors who pay VT Sportscar to support them at events. Pay to play, boys, it's not a meritocracy. They just happen to be fast... :)
| nKoan | 10-30-2005 01:41 AM |
Woah, Reno rally?
Where do me and the local Subaru club sign up to work corners or something?
Where do me and the local Subaru club sign up to work corners or something?
| wrx_evo_jetta | 10-30-2005 12:50 PM |
[QUOTE=nKoan]Woah, Reno rally?
Where do me and the local Subaru club sign up to work corners or something?[/QUOTE]
That's what I am saying ... I wish I knew where this was taking place ...
Where do me and the local Subaru club sign up to work corners or something?[/QUOTE]
That's what I am saying ... I wish I knew where this was taking place ...
| Protege Menace | 10-30-2005 01:56 PM |
There aer usually websites for each rally where you sign up.
a quick google and I couldnt find the reno website, but im sure if you search "reno rally" you'll find it.
a quick google and I couldnt find the reno website, but im sure if you search "reno rally" you'll find it.
| thechickencow | 10-30-2005 02:04 PM |
For Reno worker signups they just posted they need help on the Rally-America forums.
[url]http://www.rally-america.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1221[/url]
Or just email:
[email][email�protected][/email] <- Denise McMahon
[url]www.specialstage.com[/url] is another area to look for the information on the forums there. I don't know much about NASA rally but they've got forums on their website as well.
Working is pretty much the best way to see the action (marshalling especially).
[url]http://www.rally-america.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1221[/url]
Or just email:
[email][email�protected][/email] <- Denise McMahon
[url]www.specialstage.com[/url] is another area to look for the information on the forums there. I don't know much about NASA rally but they've got forums on their website as well.
Working is pretty much the best way to see the action (marshalling especially).
| rally_fan_76 | 10-30-2005 03:24 PM |
[QUOTE=Car #187]You guys understand that Travis and Ken are not really a "Subaru of America Rally Team," right?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Car #187]It's two rich guys with a handful of sponsors who pay VT Sportscar to support them at events.[/QUOTE]
Not exactly, there is major funding for Travis from SoA. Maybe he brings his own motorhome..
Go to rally.subaru.cm and click on "Subaru Rally Team"
and (SoA press release)
"Rally enthusiasts will also be pleased that after making his debut into the SCCA ProRally series last year in a Subaru Impreza WRX, Travis Pastrana is scheduled to enter and compete in seven Rally America National Championship events in a Subaru Impreza WRX prepared and run by Vermont SportsCar and co-supported by Subaru of America, Inc."
SoA *is* spending serious $$ on Travis' program. So what, though.
[QUOTE=Car #187]It's two rich guys with a handful of sponsors who pay VT Sportscar to support them at events.[/QUOTE]
Not exactly, there is major funding for Travis from SoA. Maybe he brings his own motorhome..
Go to rally.subaru.cm and click on "Subaru Rally Team"
and (SoA press release)
"Rally enthusiasts will also be pleased that after making his debut into the SCCA ProRally series last year in a Subaru Impreza WRX, Travis Pastrana is scheduled to enter and compete in seven Rally America National Championship events in a Subaru Impreza WRX prepared and run by Vermont SportsCar and co-supported by Subaru of America, Inc."
SoA *is* spending serious $$ on Travis' program. So what, though.
| AlexP | 10-30-2005 07:35 PM |
[QUOTE=rally_fan_76]SoA *is* spending serious $$ on Travis' program. So what, though.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't call it major funding. I'll bet a majority of his budget this year was Red Bull, which basically means _I_ funded his ride. Dammit why did they have to make that stuff so delicious....
I wouldn't call it major funding. I'll bet a majority of his budget this year was Red Bull, which basically means _I_ funded his ride. Dammit why did they have to make that stuff so delicious....
| WRXedUSA | 10-30-2005 08:58 PM |
[QUOTE=rallynutdon]Never was truely a rally. And the spectator safety probably doesn't quite come up to rallying standards.[/QUOTE]
True on the saftey aspect, but th Hartsel stages were cancelled last year for a unforeseen reason. I think they should give it another go.
Hmpf. I'll miss the cars out there next year.
True on the saftey aspect, but th Hartsel stages were cancelled last year for a unforeseen reason. I think they should give it another go.
Hmpf. I'll miss the cars out there next year.
| FaastLegacy | 10-30-2005 10:13 PM |
Travis Pastrana, the ultimate rally marketing tool, for SOA anyway.
I have mixed feelings on those two, I'm sure they're contributing a significant amount of their own money to their efforts and that's cool. But then when you see everyone else stuggling to make ends meet, even some of the top drivers, and Travis and Ken are recieving SOA money pretty much because of their "name value", meh.
I have mixed feelings on those two, I'm sure they're contributing a significant amount of their own money to their efforts and that's cool. But then when you see everyone else stuggling to make ends meet, even some of the top drivers, and Travis and Ken are recieving SOA money pretty much because of their "name value", meh.
| akuhner | 10-30-2005 10:43 PM |
So what, everyone else struggles to fund their top level rally programs, I don't see the problem there? Travis and Ken both bring a heck of a lot to the table, more than Pat could even though he stomps on them on almost every stage, even when his car was older. So they get what ever it is SOA is willing to chip in, big or small. Big deal. I'm saying this as Crew Chief / team manager of a private Group N who struggles with a limited budget, just like everyone else.
I think this situation is way better than back in the day when SOA imported European drivers to drive superior cars and trounce all the Americans. Back then I was annoyed they didn't find American drivers. Travis is 'local talent' I hope to be watching rally for a long time, hopefully in WRC. Can you imagine how many American kids will watch WRC if Travis is in it? This situation is way better than the old factory team drivers...
The reason I'm going to continue to insist that there isn't really an SOA rally team is that without the extra money and sponsors that Travis and Ken bring to the table I really don't think there would be any SOA supported team.
Alex
I think this situation is way better than back in the day when SOA imported European drivers to drive superior cars and trounce all the Americans. Back then I was annoyed they didn't find American drivers. Travis is 'local talent' I hope to be watching rally for a long time, hopefully in WRC. Can you imagine how many American kids will watch WRC if Travis is in it? This situation is way better than the old factory team drivers...
The reason I'm going to continue to insist that there isn't really an SOA rally team is that without the extra money and sponsors that Travis and Ken bring to the table I really don't think there would be any SOA supported team.
Alex
| LOLSTi | 10-30-2005 11:17 PM |
[QUOTE=FaastLegacy]Travis Pastrana, the ultimate rally marketing tool, for SOA anyway.[/QUOTE]
:lol:
you're quite the cynic aren't you?
:lol:
you're quite the cynic aren't you?
| XenoWolf | 10-31-2005 08:02 AM |
[QUOTE=DUBA_Rob]:lol:
you're quite jealous aren't you?[/QUOTE]
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you're quite jealous aren't you?[/QUOTE]
fixed
| WRXedUSA | 10-31-2005 09:20 AM |
[QUOTE=Car #187]So what, everyone else struggles to fund their top level rally programs, I don't see the problem there? Travis and Ken both bring a heck of a lot to the table, more than Pat could even though he stomps on them on almost every stage, even when his car was older. So they get what ever it is SOA is willing to chip in, big or small. Big deal. I'm saying this as Crew Chief / team manager of a private Group N who struggles with a limited budget, just like everyone else.
I think this situation is way better than back in the day when SOA imported European drivers to drive superior cars and trounce all the Americans. Back then I was annoyed they didn't find American drivers. Travis is 'local talent' I hope to be watching rally for a long time, hopefully in WRC. Can you imagine how many American kids will watch WRC if Travis is in it? This situation is way better than the old factory team drivers...
The reason I'm going to continue to insist that there isn't really an SOA rally team is that without the extra money and sponsors that Travis and Ken bring to the table I really don't think there would be any SOA supported team.
Alex[/QUOTE]
Very good.
Keep in mind how young Travis is, he's only like 22. This is his 2nd year of rallying. I think he has learned and down a LOT. Acknowledging he is a marketing tool aside, he and Ken have done pretty well this year.
I think this situation is way better than back in the day when SOA imported European drivers to drive superior cars and trounce all the Americans. Back then I was annoyed they didn't find American drivers. Travis is 'local talent' I hope to be watching rally for a long time, hopefully in WRC. Can you imagine how many American kids will watch WRC if Travis is in it? This situation is way better than the old factory team drivers...
The reason I'm going to continue to insist that there isn't really an SOA rally team is that without the extra money and sponsors that Travis and Ken bring to the table I really don't think there would be any SOA supported team.
Alex[/QUOTE]
Very good.
Keep in mind how young Travis is, he's only like 22. This is his 2nd year of rallying. I think he has learned and down a LOT. Acknowledging he is a marketing tool aside, he and Ken have done pretty well this year.
| FaastLegacy | 10-31-2005 11:40 AM |
[QUOTE=DUBA_Rob]:lol:
you're quite the cynic aren't you?[/QUOTE]
I didn't mean "tool" as in the derogatory meaning, I meant it from the standpoint that he has name recognition, and that's very valuable in a niche sport like rally.
you're quite the cynic aren't you?[/QUOTE]
I didn't mean "tool" as in the derogatory meaning, I meant it from the standpoint that he has name recognition, and that's very valuable in a niche sport like rally.
| FaastLegacy | 10-31-2005 11:44 AM |
[QUOTE=Car #187]So what, everyone else struggles to fund their top level rally programs, I don't see the problem there? Travis and Ken both bring a heck of a lot to the table, more than Pat could even though he stomps on them on almost every stage, even when his car was older. So they get what ever it is SOA is willing to chip in, big or small. Big deal. I'm saying this as Crew Chief / team manager of a private Group N who struggles with a limited budget, just like everyone else.
I think this situation is way better than back in the day when SOA imported European drivers to drive superior cars and trounce all the Americans. Back then I was annoyed they didn't find American drivers. Travis is 'local talent' I hope to be watching rally for a long time, hopefully in WRC. Can you imagine how many American kids will watch WRC if Travis is in it? This situation is way better than the old factory team drivers...
The reason I'm going to continue to insist that there isn't really an SOA rally team is that without the extra money and sponsors that Travis and Ken bring to the table I really don't think there would be any SOA supported team.
Alex[/QUOTE]
So you're don't care what money Travis and Ken are getting so long as SOA isn't bringing in the B-list WRC drivers? :p
I'm still skeptical, Travis is talented, but WRC caliber? Look at all the guys who absolutely dominated SCCA rally back a few years ago, and now can't even make a dent in the WRC.
I think this situation is way better than back in the day when SOA imported European drivers to drive superior cars and trounce all the Americans. Back then I was annoyed they didn't find American drivers. Travis is 'local talent' I hope to be watching rally for a long time, hopefully in WRC. Can you imagine how many American kids will watch WRC if Travis is in it? This situation is way better than the old factory team drivers...
The reason I'm going to continue to insist that there isn't really an SOA rally team is that without the extra money and sponsors that Travis and Ken bring to the table I really don't think there would be any SOA supported team.
Alex[/QUOTE]
So you're don't care what money Travis and Ken are getting so long as SOA isn't bringing in the B-list WRC drivers? :p
I'm still skeptical, Travis is talented, but WRC caliber? Look at all the guys who absolutely dominated SCCA rally back a few years ago, and now can't even make a dent in the WRC.
| bjorn240 | 10-31-2005 12:13 PM |
I can't believe I'm wading in here, but...
[QUOTE=FaastLegacy]So you're don't care what money Travis and Ken are getting so long as SOA isn't bringing in the B-list WRC drivers? :p [/QUOTE]
From a marketing point of view, this seems like a reasonable gambit. Who has more maketing value in the US, Travis or Thomas R�dstr�m? Who do you think is faster today? If you want rally to get more exposure in the mainstream press, Travis is probably the better bet.
[QUOTE=FaastLegacy]I'm still skeptical, Travis is talented, but WRC caliber? Look at all the guys who absolutely dominated SCCA rally back a few years ago, and now can't even make a dent in the WRC.[/QUOTE]
There's obviously only one way to find out, but Travis has a better chance than anyone else mentioned in this thread, based on age alone. Let's face it, rallying is a sport with a pretty short shelf life. It takes a combination of skill, luck, the right team, the right car, etc. etc. etc. all coming together in a few short years.
Oh, and let me take this opportunity to extend thanks to all the organizers and volunteers of the Rally America championship, and to DC Shoes, Red Bull, Vermont SportsCar, and Subaru of America.
And AlexP, for the continued support, and unquenchable thirst, our continuing gratitude! :D
Cheers,
Christian
[QUOTE=FaastLegacy]So you're don't care what money Travis and Ken are getting so long as SOA isn't bringing in the B-list WRC drivers? :p [/QUOTE]
From a marketing point of view, this seems like a reasonable gambit. Who has more maketing value in the US, Travis or Thomas R�dstr�m? Who do you think is faster today? If you want rally to get more exposure in the mainstream press, Travis is probably the better bet.
[QUOTE=FaastLegacy]I'm still skeptical, Travis is talented, but WRC caliber? Look at all the guys who absolutely dominated SCCA rally back a few years ago, and now can't even make a dent in the WRC.[/QUOTE]
There's obviously only one way to find out, but Travis has a better chance than anyone else mentioned in this thread, based on age alone. Let's face it, rallying is a sport with a pretty short shelf life. It takes a combination of skill, luck, the right team, the right car, etc. etc. etc. all coming together in a few short years.
Oh, and let me take this opportunity to extend thanks to all the organizers and volunteers of the Rally America championship, and to DC Shoes, Red Bull, Vermont SportsCar, and Subaru of America.
And AlexP, for the continued support, and unquenchable thirst, our continuing gratitude! :D
Cheers,
Christian
| Tensen | 10-31-2005 12:27 PM |
I also understand that some other drivers, not mentioning names, were offered similar deals from subaru that travis and the like were getting to run, but didnt want to/couldnt pay their end of it...to my knowledge, travis and ken are getting money from SOA, but they are also both throwing in lots of their own cash...nobody is getting a free ride. Ramana for instance paid a lot of his own scratch to run with SRTUSA in the beginning, dont know how much later on
rallying aint cheap folks...and nobody is making a living at it....
rallying aint cheap folks...and nobody is making a living at it....
| GringoGomez | 10-31-2005 01:00 PM |
[QUOTE=Tensen]rallying aint cheap folks...and nobody is making a living at it....[/QUOTE]
it's probably a fairly effective way to launder money, though, right? :lol:
it's probably a fairly effective way to launder money, though, right? :lol:
| bjorn240 | 10-31-2005 01:07 PM |
[QUOTE=GringoGomez]it's probably a fairly effective way to launder money, though, right? :lol:[/QUOTE]
Not really. When you launder money, ideally you'd like to get some clean money out the other end. If you just want to spend dirty money, I suppose it's ok...
- Christian
Not really. When you launder money, ideally you'd like to get some clean money out the other end. If you just want to spend dirty money, I suppose it's ok...
- Christian
| JC_595 | 10-31-2005 02:02 PM |
its a very effective way to [I]squander[/I] money tho...
:)
:)
| RichardM | 10-31-2005 02:47 PM |
How to make a small fortune in racing........
Every one knows this old joke.
Every one knows this old joke.
| Rallycarperson | 10-31-2005 02:52 PM |
Did Travis really bring more popularity to Rally in the US??
I think some ex-WRC driver will bring more popularity, increase the likelyhood of a WRC in America, and will bring in better results. Just my thoughts...
~Mark
I think some ex-WRC driver will bring more popularity, increase the likelyhood of a WRC in America, and will bring in better results. Just my thoughts...
~Mark
| WRXedUSA | 10-31-2005 03:37 PM |
[QUOTE=Rallycarperson]Did Travis really bring more popularity to Rally in the US??
I think some ex-WRC driver will bring more popularity, increase the likelyhood of a WRC in America, and will bring in better results. Just my thoughts...
~Mark[/QUOTE]
I don't think so. If we bring a driver over, half the people will know who he is in the first place.I would really like to know if the Pastrana MotoX fans carried over to rally with his entry to RA
[QUOTE=Tensen]
rallying aint cheap folks...and nobody is making a living at it....[/QUOTE]
Heck, half the WRC field doesnt even take home pay! I think you'd be shocked to find out how much in concessions drivers like Galli, Hirvonen, Atkinson, Gardemeister and Panizzi took.
I think some ex-WRC driver will bring more popularity, increase the likelyhood of a WRC in America, and will bring in better results. Just my thoughts...
~Mark[/QUOTE]
I don't think so. If we bring a driver over, half the people will know who he is in the first place.I would really like to know if the Pastrana MotoX fans carried over to rally with his entry to RA
[QUOTE=Tensen]
rallying aint cheap folks...and nobody is making a living at it....[/QUOTE]
Heck, half the WRC field doesnt even take home pay! I think you'd be shocked to find out how much in concessions drivers like Galli, Hirvonen, Atkinson, Gardemeister and Panizzi took.
| Pete 97 GS-T | 10-31-2005 03:48 PM |
[QUOTE=Rallycarperson]Did Travis really bring more popularity to Rally in the US??
I think some ex-WRC driver will bring more popularity, increase the likelyhood of a WRC in America, and will bring in better results. Just my thoughts...[/QUOTE]
Only to the hardcore rally fans. To attract popularity to non-rally fans in the US, you need familiar names (bad english). I do think that getting a US born driver to the WRC would be better for the sport than bringing a WRC has-been over here.
Pete
[url]www.onalimbracing.com[/url]
I think some ex-WRC driver will bring more popularity, increase the likelyhood of a WRC in America, and will bring in better results. Just my thoughts...[/QUOTE]
Only to the hardcore rally fans. To attract popularity to non-rally fans in the US, you need familiar names (bad english). I do think that getting a US born driver to the WRC would be better for the sport than bringing a WRC has-been over here.
Pete
[url]www.onalimbracing.com[/url]
| Mopho | 10-31-2005 03:49 PM |
[QUOTE=Rallycarperson]Did Travis really bring more popularity to Rally in the US??
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Yes
[QUOTE]I think some ex-WRC driver will bring more popularity, increase the likelyhood of a WRC in America, and will bring in better results. Just my thoughts...
[/QUOTE]
An ex WRC driver, say like, hmm, ... Stig Blomqvist?
Even if it was Petter Solberg, how would that help? The only people that know who Petter is are already rally fans, so how would that increase awareness. It's preaching to the choir
An American driver in the WRC will do more to increase awareness of the sport, especially is said American driver was already popular with people.
Consider what Lance Armstrong did for the Tour De france and Cycling
And FYI, the ratings for WRC are so bad that Speed channel is chomping at the bit to get rid of it, but Subaru keeps paying speed to air it
Edit: damn, I took too long to type (shouldn't have toasted that bagel) and others beat me to it :o
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Yes
[QUOTE]I think some ex-WRC driver will bring more popularity, increase the likelyhood of a WRC in America, and will bring in better results. Just my thoughts...
[/QUOTE]
An ex WRC driver, say like, hmm, ... Stig Blomqvist?
Even if it was Petter Solberg, how would that help? The only people that know who Petter is are already rally fans, so how would that increase awareness. It's preaching to the choir
An American driver in the WRC will do more to increase awareness of the sport, especially is said American driver was already popular with people.
Consider what Lance Armstrong did for the Tour De france and Cycling
And FYI, the ratings for WRC are so bad that Speed channel is chomping at the bit to get rid of it, but Subaru keeps paying speed to air it
Edit: damn, I took too long to type (shouldn't have toasted that bagel) and others beat me to it :o
| Mopho | 10-31-2005 03:54 PM |
I would like to see Travis make it to the WRC, just so I can see bjorn240 a bigger international superstar than he already is!
| patr | 10-31-2005 04:08 PM |
since Christian has weighed in and my name has been mentioned, I will throw a few things out there
a) I am 100% confident that with the proper budgets that there are a few drivers here in North America that would be internationally competitive in group N (I can list 3 - 4 names, most of which you will all disagree with, but nevertheless I am 100% sure), and possibly at higher levels as well.
b) there is no proper budgets for those drivers, because they are just that, North american rally drivers, because we need to grow the sport
c) SoA's involvement has certainly been positive from the fact that we would have been completley unable to participate in this and last year's championship without the contingency program at [url="http://www.rally.subaru.com/"]www.rally.subaru.com[/url], over 35k of our budget is coming from this program this year alone, even more last year. If anyone is speculating, no, we were not approached to "fund our own drive" so I have no idea where those rumours may be emnating from.
d) rally america has done a better job than the previous administration in terms of attempting to promote the sport
e) getting a north american driver to do well at the international level does more for the sport than getting an international driver to do well here. You can argue this all day long until you are blue in the face, but the cost to run an outside driver here is about the same to run a north american in a few events in a decent spec car. Pick the right guy, and its a done deal. Doing it with a weak budget (as we did in 03) is a total waste of time. Doing it with the wrong approach is also a waste of time.
f) I think that there are at least 6-7 drivers who could do well at any decent international event with the right car (more than the 3-4 I mentioned above), so picking a program that yeilds "good marketable results" is not a problem if youpick the right driver, its getting it together in the first place.
You can go back and look stage times through results to get ideas about what might be appropriate - but bringing someone here is NOT the answer
a) I am 100% confident that with the proper budgets that there are a few drivers here in North America that would be internationally competitive in group N (I can list 3 - 4 names, most of which you will all disagree with, but nevertheless I am 100% sure), and possibly at higher levels as well.
b) there is no proper budgets for those drivers, because they are just that, North american rally drivers, because we need to grow the sport
c) SoA's involvement has certainly been positive from the fact that we would have been completley unable to participate in this and last year's championship without the contingency program at [url="http://www.rally.subaru.com/"]www.rally.subaru.com[/url], over 35k of our budget is coming from this program this year alone, even more last year. If anyone is speculating, no, we were not approached to "fund our own drive" so I have no idea where those rumours may be emnating from.
d) rally america has done a better job than the previous administration in terms of attempting to promote the sport
e) getting a north american driver to do well at the international level does more for the sport than getting an international driver to do well here. You can argue this all day long until you are blue in the face, but the cost to run an outside driver here is about the same to run a north american in a few events in a decent spec car. Pick the right guy, and its a done deal. Doing it with a weak budget (as we did in 03) is a total waste of time. Doing it with the wrong approach is also a waste of time.
f) I think that there are at least 6-7 drivers who could do well at any decent international event with the right car (more than the 3-4 I mentioned above), so picking a program that yeilds "good marketable results" is not a problem if youpick the right driver, its getting it together in the first place.
You can go back and look stage times through results to get ideas about what might be appropriate - but bringing someone here is NOT the answer
| FaastLegacy | 10-31-2005 04:14 PM |
[quote]From a marketing point of view, this seems like a reasonable gambit. Who has more maketing value in the US, Travis or Thomas R�dstr�m? Who do you think is faster today? If you want rally to get more exposure in the mainstream press, Travis is probably the better bet. [/quote]
Yeah I think we agree, don't get me wrong, I respect Travis but he has certainly taken the non-traditional route into rallying. I don't hold that against him.
But I'm still going to withold judgement on him until he matures a bit as a driver, he's only been at this for what, two full years now? I think it's a bit early to declare him the next WRC superstar. But as you said, he certainly has the tools and the resources to make a run at it.
Yeah I think we agree, don't get me wrong, I respect Travis but he has certainly taken the non-traditional route into rallying. I don't hold that against him.
But I'm still going to withold judgement on him until he matures a bit as a driver, he's only been at this for what, two full years now? I think it's a bit early to declare him the next WRC superstar. But as you said, he certainly has the tools and the resources to make a run at it.
| bjorn240 | 10-31-2005 04:17 PM |
[QUOTE=FaastLegacy]But I'm still going to withold judgement on him until he matures a bit as a driver, he's only been at this for what, two full years now?
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I think it's a bit early to declare him the next WRC superstar.[/QUOTE]
Travis ran 3 events in 2004 and 7 events in 2005. And nobody is calling Travis a "next WRC superstar" yet, least of all Travis. He's just happy to be able to rally in Rally America championship and test himself against fast drivers like Pat and Stig.
For what it's worth, I agree with Pat on all points, but chief among them that we need to promote rallying here, in order to give guys more chances for sponsorship and the opportunity to compete abroad. Expanding the number of people interested is the only way to do that.
- Christian
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I think it's a bit early to declare him the next WRC superstar.[/QUOTE]
Travis ran 3 events in 2004 and 7 events in 2005. And nobody is calling Travis a "next WRC superstar" yet, least of all Travis. He's just happy to be able to rally in Rally America championship and test himself against fast drivers like Pat and Stig.
For what it's worth, I agree with Pat on all points, but chief among them that we need to promote rallying here, in order to give guys more chances for sponsorship and the opportunity to compete abroad. Expanding the number of people interested is the only way to do that.
- Christian
| Mopho | 10-31-2005 04:21 PM |
[QUOTE=FaastLegacy]Yeah I think we agree, don't get me wrong, I respect Travis but he has certainly taken the non-traditional route into rallying. I don't hold that against him.
[/QUOTE]
What is the "traditional" route into rallying?
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What is the "traditional" route into rallying?
| FaastLegacy | 10-31-2005 04:23 PM |
[QUOTE=Mopho]What is the "traditional" route into rallying?[/QUOTE]
Well, most people don't start off in a top of the line VT Sportscar Gr. N car....
Well, most people don't start off in a top of the line VT Sportscar Gr. N car....
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