| jskho | 03-02-2003 12:51 PM |
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can anyone give me some advice. i just install HIDs on my projectors and the result are not what i expected.. the light from HIDs does not bright up the road as much as i thought..brightness is marginally brighter than the stock. just want to see if anyone are experiencing the same problem. also the temp of the bulb affects the color only right and not the brightness??
thanks
james
thanks
james
| dookiebob | 03-02-2003 01:09 PM |
Color temperature is usually inversely related to brightness. The higher the K, usually the more light is filtered towards violet/ultraviolet and away from white. The K temp is not what is important for brightness, it is the lumens emitted.
That said, I have the JDM STi HID headlights, and the output is BRIGHT. Here are some pics: [URL=http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=323319]here[/URL]
-Bob
That said, I have the JDM STi HID headlights, and the output is BRIGHT. Here are some pics: [URL=http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=323319]here[/URL]
-Bob
| jskho | 03-02-2003 01:27 PM |
your lights look great, how do you adjust you light to be that way, cuz i just installed my HIDs from SPW industries.. and my light pattern is no where near yours. there is a huge slant towards the right side
i was just thinking if there is a problem with my JDM LHD projectors or is there a problem with my HIDs . are there a difference between the two JDM Projectors?? cuz i see two price differences on the vividracing website between the jdm projectors and jdm projectors hid..
i was just thinking if there is a problem with my JDM LHD projectors or is there a problem with my HIDs . are there a difference between the two JDM Projectors?? cuz i see two price differences on the vividracing website between the jdm projectors and jdm projectors hid..
| dookiebob | 03-02-2003 01:32 PM |
No, there is no problem with your EDM lights... they are designed to have the opposite pattern (which incidentally, is the pattern that we would get in the US as well if they offered these lights).
The JDM headlights are supposedly pointing the wrong way, but it really is not a big deal. If adjusted properly, you (nor oncoming motorists) notice a difference. All JDM headlights have the same type of deflection as my HID headlights.
About your light emitted... what is the color temp and lumens emitted of your HID kit? The only thing I could think of is that there is insufficient grounding of your system, as the STi HID ballasts have a ground going to chassis.
-Bob
The JDM headlights are supposedly pointing the wrong way, but it really is not a big deal. If adjusted properly, you (nor oncoming motorists) notice a difference. All JDM headlights have the same type of deflection as my HID headlights.
About your light emitted... what is the color temp and lumens emitted of your HID kit? The only thing I could think of is that there is insufficient grounding of your system, as the STi HID ballasts have a ground going to chassis.
-Bob
| timjgx | 03-02-2003 01:38 PM |
The should slant on the right side if they are LHD to light up road signs. It looks like he has the RHD projectors.
Do some searches and you'll find info on how to adjust your projectors. This won't help with brightness, but they have to be aimed correctly after the install.
Can you take some pics of your light output? Maybe they are just aimed too low? (doubt it) It sounds like there's some problem with your HIDs... maybe they aren't wired correctly ??
- tim
Do some searches and you'll find info on how to adjust your projectors. This won't help with brightness, but they have to be aimed correctly after the install.
Can you take some pics of your light output? Maybe they are just aimed too low? (doubt it) It sounds like there's some problem with your HIDs... maybe they aren't wired correctly ??
- tim
| jskho | 03-02-2003 01:48 PM |
the color temp of my HIDs are 4500k.. cuz the lumination of the wall is very sparse. your light against the wall has a solid beam to it.. my looks more like a thin smear of solid light with some reflections around it.. it does not even over power the lights of some vehicles on the freeway the way HIDs should be. do i have to adjust nob at the top and the bottom?? i will post some pictures as soon as it gets dark here ..
| CirrusWRX | 03-02-2003 03:08 PM |
Yeah post some pics - it is my understanding that the beam pattern for projectors should look kinda like this (if this works...)
................_____________________
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________/ _____/
(disregaurd the ...... they are there as placeholders)
When you're against a wall. That's how any of the "stock" HID patterns look for the Audi and BMW's I've seen.
Post a pic so we can see what "isn't right" about it.
................_____________________
............../........./
________/ _____/
(disregaurd the ...... they are there as placeholders)
When you're against a wall. That's how any of the "stock" HID patterns look for the Audi and BMW's I've seen.
Post a pic so we can see what "isn't right" about it.
| jskho | 03-02-2003 03:21 PM |
that is exactly how my light pattern looks like but the brightness of my light is no where near dookiebob's light. also my bulbs do not even match too. one is more yellowish than the other.. cant wait til night time here S.F.. just 6 more hours. then i will be able to take some pictures. i was reading another thread regarding HIDs on projectors.. does the grounding of the HIDs affect how bright the lights would be??
| timjgx | 03-02-2003 03:29 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jskho [/i]
[B]that is exactly how my light pattern looks like but the brightness of my light is no where near dookiebob's light. also my bulbs do not even match too. one is more yellowish than the other[/B][/QUOTE]
I just started having this problem, too (the color, not the brightness really). Do they get real bright and blue/white when you turn them on then flicker after a few seconds? That's what mine just started doing. The brightness doesn't drop dramatically, but mine lose a lot of color and appear a lot more white/yellow than they should be.
I am 99% sure it is a wire that doesn't have a good connection, most likely the ground, and not a problem with the HIDs themselves. I have put off messing with it because I have a leveller switch coming in a couple weeks that I will need to install anyways.
- tim
[B]that is exactly how my light pattern looks like but the brightness of my light is no where near dookiebob's light. also my bulbs do not even match too. one is more yellowish than the other[/B][/QUOTE]
I just started having this problem, too (the color, not the brightness really). Do they get real bright and blue/white when you turn them on then flicker after a few seconds? That's what mine just started doing. The brightness doesn't drop dramatically, but mine lose a lot of color and appear a lot more white/yellow than they should be.
I am 99% sure it is a wire that doesn't have a good connection, most likely the ground, and not a problem with the HIDs themselves. I have put off messing with it because I have a leveller switch coming in a couple weeks that I will need to install anyways.
- tim
| dookiebob | 03-02-2003 03:58 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by timjgx [/i]
[B]
I just started having this problem, too (the color, not the brightness really). Do they get real bright and blue/white when you turn them on then flicker after a few seconds? That's what mine just started doing. The brightness doesn't drop dramatically, but mine lose a lot of color and appear a lot more white/yellow than they should be.
I am 99% sure it is a wire that doesn't have a good connection, most likely the ground, and not a problem with the HIDs themselves. I have put off messing with it because I have a leveller switch coming in a couple weeks that I will need to install anyways.
- tim [/B][/QUOTE]
This problem typically describes insufficient grounding of your system. If you want to do what the STi HID headlights do, tap the ground wire going to the headlights and attach it to a screw/bolt going into the chassis. That's what I did, and everything works fine.
jskho, I definitely think that you may have a grounding problem. Doing a wire tap like I described above should give you sufficient ground for the HID kit, thus giving you sufficient (and safe) light.
-Bob
[B]
I just started having this problem, too (the color, not the brightness really). Do they get real bright and blue/white when you turn them on then flicker after a few seconds? That's what mine just started doing. The brightness doesn't drop dramatically, but mine lose a lot of color and appear a lot more white/yellow than they should be.
I am 99% sure it is a wire that doesn't have a good connection, most likely the ground, and not a problem with the HIDs themselves. I have put off messing with it because I have a leveller switch coming in a couple weeks that I will need to install anyways.
- tim [/B][/QUOTE]
This problem typically describes insufficient grounding of your system. If you want to do what the STi HID headlights do, tap the ground wire going to the headlights and attach it to a screw/bolt going into the chassis. That's what I did, and everything works fine.
jskho, I definitely think that you may have a grounding problem. Doing a wire tap like I described above should give you sufficient ground for the HID kit, thus giving you sufficient (and safe) light.
-Bob
| jskho | 03-02-2003 04:12 PM |
thanks for the advice, i will try that. so the problem with one of my buld color has to do with grounding then. but then there is still the problem of my light , but i guess taking a picture would explains alot.. will post pics later tonight..
| timjgx | 03-02-2003 04:15 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by dookiebob [/i]
[B]This problem typically describes insufficient grounding of your system. If you want to do what the STi HID headlights do, tap the ground wire going to the headlights and attach it to a screw/bolt going into the chassis. That's what I did, and everything works fine.[/B][/QUOTE]
This is how mine is setup, but I used clips instead of soldering, and I guess after a few months they don't have as good of a connection as they should.
- tim
[B]This problem typically describes insufficient grounding of your system. If you want to do what the STi HID headlights do, tap the ground wire going to the headlights and attach it to a screw/bolt going into the chassis. That's what I did, and everything works fine.[/B][/QUOTE]
This is how mine is setup, but I used clips instead of soldering, and I guess after a few months they don't have as good of a connection as they should.
- tim
| jskho | 03-02-2003 04:17 PM |
tim about your light, mine doesnt flicker. when i pull up to the wall my light shoots at an angle and looks some what between white/yellow with a very distinguish spot of yellow . totally unlike dookiebob's light.. his is a solid beam of white light about 2-3 feet in height, mine is only about 1 feet mas of strong light .. Dookiebob, what color temp is your HIDs??? and do you know what brand they are?? also i just thought of something. if my harness from the factory to the projectors is not that good, would it also affect the lighting or brightness of the HID?? cuz i got the harness from Jim hoyd. not sure if they are made for HIDs or not...
| dookiebob | 03-02-2003 04:28 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jskho [/i]
[B]tim about your light, mine doesnt flicker. when i pull up to the wall my light shoots at an angle and looks some what between white/yellow with a very distinguish spot of yellow . totally unlike dookiebob's light.. his is a solid beam of white light about 2-3 feet in height, mine is only about 1 feet mas of strong light .. Dookiebob, what color temp is your HIDs??? and do you know what brand they are?? also i just thought of something. if my harness from the factory to the projectors is not that good, would it also affect the lighting or brightness of the HID?? cuz i got the harness from Jim hoyd. not sure if they are made for HIDs or not... [/B][/QUOTE]
I have the OEM STi HID headlights, which I believe are made by McCulloch. I also believe the color temp of the headlights are about 4300K, give or take. You are right about my light... I have pure white light flat across the entire range of headlight throw. I don't really have hot spots or weak areas either.
I also have the Jim Hoyd harness, and I felt that the connections were pretty shoddy. I used electrical tape to keep everything in place. I have acquired some solder to solder my connections if need be.
BTW, the STi HID setup already has the ground wire tapped... I didn't make that clear in my last post.
-Bob
[B]tim about your light, mine doesnt flicker. when i pull up to the wall my light shoots at an angle and looks some what between white/yellow with a very distinguish spot of yellow . totally unlike dookiebob's light.. his is a solid beam of white light about 2-3 feet in height, mine is only about 1 feet mas of strong light .. Dookiebob, what color temp is your HIDs??? and do you know what brand they are?? also i just thought of something. if my harness from the factory to the projectors is not that good, would it also affect the lighting or brightness of the HID?? cuz i got the harness from Jim hoyd. not sure if they are made for HIDs or not... [/B][/QUOTE]
I have the OEM STi HID headlights, which I believe are made by McCulloch. I also believe the color temp of the headlights are about 4300K, give or take. You are right about my light... I have pure white light flat across the entire range of headlight throw. I don't really have hot spots or weak areas either.
I also have the Jim Hoyd harness, and I felt that the connections were pretty shoddy. I used electrical tape to keep everything in place. I have acquired some solder to solder my connections if need be.
BTW, the STi HID setup already has the ground wire tapped... I didn't make that clear in my last post.
-Bob
| jskho | 03-02-2003 05:05 PM |
bob have you every pull up to either a BMW, Audi, or a S2000. how does your HID compare to them.. cuz for me when i come up to those cars. their HID lit up the road. completely overpower mine. do you think it is the color of the light for just the way the projectors are set up???
| dookiebob | 03-02-2003 05:38 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jskho [/i]
[B]bob have you every pull up to either a BMW, Audi, or a S2000. how does your HID compare to them.. cuz for me when i come up to those cars. their HID lit up the road. completely overpower mine. do you think it is the color of the light for just the way the projectors are set up??? [/B][/QUOTE]
The color of the light is not as blue/violet as BMW or Mercedes type lights, but the light output is comparable. Neither of the cars had more or less light output than mine.
-Bob
[B]bob have you every pull up to either a BMW, Audi, or a S2000. how does your HID compare to them.. cuz for me when i come up to those cars. their HID lit up the road. completely overpower mine. do you think it is the color of the light for just the way the projectors are set up??? [/B][/QUOTE]
The color of the light is not as blue/violet as BMW or Mercedes type lights, but the light output is comparable. Neither of the cars had more or less light output than mine.
-Bob
| jskho | 03-02-2003 05:55 PM |
then i know for a fact either i dont have the lights angled right or something is wrong. because i got he EDM style projectors from the group buy a while ago by Brian Angell.. so my light output then should be comparable to those of the cars i mentioned above, but it isn't . i will let you see what i am talking about , agains thanks for all the help.
james
james
| CirrusWRX | 03-02-2003 06:22 PM |
Yeah man sounds like a wiring problem of some sort. If mulder hasn't chimed in yet, he'd be a good source to ask (on the forums here) he knows his stuff when it comes to HID's and Subaru's.
| Hank3 | 03-02-2003 11:19 PM |
Also - realize after you have everything corrected, that after the HID's warm up (during the purple and blue stage), they do turn more whitish/yellow. I parked my car next to a Maxima w/HID's and we both turned on our HID's at the same time and eventually they looked whitish/yellow. I think you will find this to be true with any HID kit that is in the 4300K range - that after it's purple/blue warm up stage, that it'll look more whitish/yellow. I know that has been my experience when looking at BMW's and Audi's. BTW - I have the Philips 4100K kit from Philips in my Prodrive UK300 lights. Here's the thread with pics of my setup:
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=319119&highlight=philips+hid[/url]
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=319119&highlight=philips+hid[/url]
| Mulder | 03-02-2003 11:35 PM |
If there is a wiring problem with HIDs they will usually either not start or flicker. If this isn't happening you probably don't have a serious wiring issue although without knowing exactly how you wired your lights I can't say that for sure.
If the HIDs are on steadily and aren't flickering then they are as bright as they are going to get. Unlike halogen bulbs they are either on or off, their brightness is not voltage-dependent. Once the ballast starts and they turn on, they will stay on at the same brightness until the power is interrupted or the voltage falls below the level needed to keep them running at which point they will go off.
It is possible that for some reason the HID bulbs themselves are not aligned properly within the light housing. In that case the light dispersion will be all wrong and you won't get the results you expected. The cutoff will still be the same because that is fixed by the optics. Are you sure the kit you installed is correct for the lights?
If the HIDs are on steadily and aren't flickering then they are as bright as they are going to get. Unlike halogen bulbs they are either on or off, their brightness is not voltage-dependent. Once the ballast starts and they turn on, they will stay on at the same brightness until the power is interrupted or the voltage falls below the level needed to keep them running at which point they will go off.
It is possible that for some reason the HID bulbs themselves are not aligned properly within the light housing. In that case the light dispersion will be all wrong and you won't get the results you expected. The cutoff will still be the same because that is fixed by the optics. Are you sure the kit you installed is correct for the lights?
| jskho | 03-03-2003 12:45 AM |
hey Hanks your lights are way brighter than mine. i am going to take a picture of my lights now. i wont be able to post the pictures til after midnight, that is when i get off work.. you guys think i might be adjusting the lights incorrectly?? i have the SPW industries HID from SPWUSA... they burn at 4500k suppose to be pure white.. but look kind of blue on the ground.. i will try to post picture of my setup either tomorrow or tonight..
| Hank3 | 03-03-2003 01:32 AM |
jskho - keep us updated for sure and hopefully you'll be on on your way to the true HID experience :)
| jskho | 03-03-2003 03:35 AM |
i have a problem how do you post pics here??
| Mulder | 03-03-2003 06:28 AM |
You can't attach images to posts any more, they have to be hosted somewhere and you link to them.
| ZoomnWRX | 03-03-2003 08:55 AM |
morette projectors, 4300k and one blurry picture but you get the idea of the kind of light output you should be getting
[IMG]http://www.ic.sunysb.edu/Stu/tsorense/hid1.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.ic.sunysb.edu/Stu/tsorense/hid1.jpg[/IMG]
| jskho | 03-03-2003 12:59 PM |
sorry guys but i need help. how do you link up pictures. i dont know how.
| Hank3 | 03-03-2003 01:56 PM |
You need to have your pics hosted first and then all you have to do is when you post a message, click on the "IMG" button and copy in the URL.
| jskho | 03-03-2003 02:46 PM |
[URL=http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3dd22b3127cce94a8527a5af00000002610]http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3dd22b3127cce94a8527a5af00000002610[/URL]
| jskho | 03-03-2003 02:51 PM |
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sorry for the poor quality pictures.. but hopefully you can see how much a diffecrence my HIDs are compare with those who have installed theirs.
james
[URL]http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3dd22b3127cce94a8526fdbd50000002610[/URL]
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sorry for the poor quality pictures.. but hopefully you can see how much a diffecrence my HIDs are compare with those who have installed theirs.
james
| jskho | 03-03-2003 02:52 PM |
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| jskho | 03-03-2003 02:55 PM |
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| Hank3 | 03-03-2003 03:00 PM |
Man - those do look kind of funky (not to add salt to the wound or anything). Definitely not a lot of light. Do you have the link to the exact set that you bought your HID's from or the Website? Hopefully Mulder or the other guys will be able to shed some light on this (no pun intended).
| Mulder | 03-03-2003 03:21 PM |
I've already thrown my 2 cents in here, but to expand on what I said-
Take the HID bulbs out and compare them side-by-side with the halogens you took out. The bases should match so the bulbs mount securely in the lights, and the "globe" part of the HID bulb (where it actually emits the light) must line up exactly with the location of the filament on the old bulb. If these things don't match up you have the wrong bulbs and the lighting will never be right. If this is what you find contact the vendor immediately and ask to exchange the bulbs or the entire kit.
If the bulbs appear to match up reinstall them and make absolutely certain that they seat fully and securely in the mounts.
You can also remove the bulbs from the housings but leave them connected, and briefly turn on the lights to see if they are actually getting as bright as they are supposed to. They should be initially blue/green and gradually change to intense white. Don't look directly at the bare bulb, it will hurt your eyes. If the bare bulbs don't look right there may be a problem with them or the ballasts.
Take the HID bulbs out and compare them side-by-side with the halogens you took out. The bases should match so the bulbs mount securely in the lights, and the "globe" part of the HID bulb (where it actually emits the light) must line up exactly with the location of the filament on the old bulb. If these things don't match up you have the wrong bulbs and the lighting will never be right. If this is what you find contact the vendor immediately and ask to exchange the bulbs or the entire kit.
If the bulbs appear to match up reinstall them and make absolutely certain that they seat fully and securely in the mounts.
You can also remove the bulbs from the housings but leave them connected, and briefly turn on the lights to see if they are actually getting as bright as they are supposed to. They should be initially blue/green and gradually change to intense white. Don't look directly at the bare bulb, it will hurt your eyes. If the bare bulbs don't look right there may be a problem with them or the ballasts.
| jskho | 03-03-2003 03:23 PM |
you guys know i am saying now?? i get marginally better light than those regular bugeyes. sometimes i wonder if i get less lights
i got those from HID PLUS a product of SPW industries.. i think their website is SPWUSA.COM i got the one with the H1 bulb that is HID PLUS WHITE (4800k). you guys think i might have defective set of HIDs???
i got those from HID PLUS a product of SPW industries.. i think their website is SPWUSA.COM i got the one with the H1 bulb that is HID PLUS WHITE (4800k). you guys think i might have defective set of HIDs???
| Hank3 | 03-03-2003 03:30 PM |
Is this the one you got?
[url]http://www.spwusa.com/Products.asp?UID=6911[/url]
[url]http://www.spwusa.com/Products.asp?UID=6911[/url]
| jskho | 03-03-2003 04:42 PM |
yup.. but the picture is wrong on their website.. i will try to take my lights apart and take a picture of it the bulb and compare it with the standard H1 bulb..
| jskho | 03-03-2003 05:36 PM |
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| jskho | 03-03-2003 06:35 PM |
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| jskho | 03-03-2003 08:55 PM |
thanks guys for all your help.. i will try to adjust the lights a little more.. correct me if im wrong.. there are two white hex shape screws. on the STI EDM projectors.. the top one moves the lense left to right.. the bottom on moves it up and down.. if adjusting it wont help, then i think i might have a bad bulb, since when i look at the "globe " part of the H1 i notice some yellow resin.. i think i might just have bad bulbs.. going to the vendor i got it from tomorrow..
| Cloud | 03-03-2003 09:18 PM |
jskho, you might want to buy a different set of HIDs to improve the lighting. Most of the aftermarket HID are "homemade" glue on, where they take the hid bulb and put a different base on. therefore they don't have the correct focus point as the H1 halogen bulbs. I had RHD STI ones with McChullouch HIDs, not bright at all, worst than the stock H1. Then switched to LHD EDM ones, put the CatZ HID in, very bright. CatZ's HID has the same focul point as the halogen. But for my understanding, it's hard to get as bright as the BMW or Audi's with aftermarket HID in halogen projector, because the halogen projector housing is different from the HID projector housing like Audi and BMWs have. By upgrading to HID with projectors would still give you very good lighting. You just have to pick the right HIDs, factors like focul point, high K temp. etc. CatZ or BellOf would be some good choices, but they are a little more expensive. good luck!
| brunetmj | 03-03-2003 09:25 PM |
Is it my imagination or are those lights aimed to low? It looks to me they are not aimed correctly. How or what procedure did you use to aim them?
| MikeWRX-NJ | 03-03-2003 10:53 PM |
Correct me if im wrong but it looks like all the light is focused to a hot spot right at the cut off. My Morettes splash light [I]everywhere[/I] beneith the cut off. :confused: :confused: :confused:
Maybe some new bulbs are in order.
Maybe some new bulbs are in order.
| jskho | 03-04-2003 06:44 PM |
i think i might have found the problem.. i went back to vendor to exchange for a different set of bulbs (which burns at a higher temperature 6000K) so i put one of the bulbs in. that way i can compare side by side.. i notice right away that the one at 6000k is a lot whiter and brighter than the one at 4800k. the 4800k looks some what yellowish compared to the other one.. i just have to wait til night fall to see results.. if that is the case, i just happen to have a set of HID kit that is not as good as the other brands..
thanks guys for all your help
james..
thanks guys for all your help
james..
| Mulder | 03-04-2003 07:12 PM |
The 4800K bulbs should be plenty bright, there normally won't be that much difference. You may have just gotten a bad set of bulbs.
| makanouchi | 03-04-2003 07:33 PM |
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jskho,
From your pictures, it looks like I went through the same thing. This is what happened to me.... I have the JDM headlights and purchaced a hid kit for them. I have installed HIDs in 2 of my previous cars and I'm very good with wiring so I was confident durring the install. When I was finished, the results were exactly like yours, there seemed to be patches of light with bright spots instead of a full stream of light. If you look on the ground, it is not all lighted up, reather some parts are and some parts aren't. As I said before, I have had HIDs and I know what they are supposed to look like and this definitely was not it. This was what I found: The bulb has two protrudeing round thingys (best way I can describe it) Those two things will fit into the light housing in order to secure the bulb and keep it from moving and rotating. What I found was my two roung thingys were just a bit too big and were not fitting into the holes in the light housing. So that means my bulbs were mounted about 3-5 milimeter back from where they are supposed to be. This will screw up everything. Someone mentioned in the thread that the focal point of the bulb has to be in the exact same place for the light to throw out correctly. It is very easy to miss this small detail because the bulbs will look like they are in the housing correctly. After I trimmed the round thingys so they would fit in the housing correctly, the light output was finally correct. When you guys put in the new 6k bulbs, it just might be the fact that the new bulbs fit better, there is probably nothing wrong with your ould bulbs. Have them take a closer look to make sure the bulb fits properly. Damn, that was a long post.
From your pictures, it looks like I went through the same thing. This is what happened to me.... I have the JDM headlights and purchaced a hid kit for them. I have installed HIDs in 2 of my previous cars and I'm very good with wiring so I was confident durring the install. When I was finished, the results were exactly like yours, there seemed to be patches of light with bright spots instead of a full stream of light. If you look on the ground, it is not all lighted up, reather some parts are and some parts aren't. As I said before, I have had HIDs and I know what they are supposed to look like and this definitely was not it. This was what I found: The bulb has two protrudeing round thingys (best way I can describe it) Those two things will fit into the light housing in order to secure the bulb and keep it from moving and rotating. What I found was my two roung thingys were just a bit too big and were not fitting into the holes in the light housing. So that means my bulbs were mounted about 3-5 milimeter back from where they are supposed to be. This will screw up everything. Someone mentioned in the thread that the focal point of the bulb has to be in the exact same place for the light to throw out correctly. It is very easy to miss this small detail because the bulbs will look like they are in the housing correctly. After I trimmed the round thingys so they would fit in the housing correctly, the light output was finally correct. When you guys put in the new 6k bulbs, it just might be the fact that the new bulbs fit better, there is probably nothing wrong with your ould bulbs. Have them take a closer look to make sure the bulb fits properly. Damn, that was a long post.
| jskho | 03-05-2003 12:43 AM |
i just check my lights.. and the side with the 6000k bulb does appear brighter and covers better area than the one with the old bulb.. beam still looks off. looks like i might have to adjust the bulb so it fits better into the housing.. ill post some pictures later once i have the beam focus correctly..
| S-WRX | 03-05-2003 04:36 AM |
jskho - I dont have HID but I do have JDM lights. I think you may have set it too low, thus adjusting the heights can probably help increase the light output. When I receive my JDM lights, it was aimed way up high, so I decided to lower the beam pattern and it worked. So it seemed like your setting might be too low, thats just my opinion. A friend of mine has HID and its definitely look a lot brighter than that.
Good luck!
Good luck!
| jskho | 03-05-2003 03:53 PM |
i think i need some help here correct me if im wrong but are there suppose to be a arc right below my beam.. i compare the HIDs bulb in the housing with the one that came stock with the projectors.. and both seem to have the same focal point.. both stick out to same distance.
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| Hank3 | 03-05-2003 04:40 PM |
Looks to me they are both adjusted the same. You got more light output with your stock bulbs compared to the HID bulbs? If so, I'm thinking there's got to be something up with your kit and not your lights...but I could be wrong :confused:
| jskho | 03-05-2003 04:53 PM |
forgot the mention. both are HIDs.. the one on the left side is the one running at 6000k . the one on the right is the one at 4800k.. both HID.. i was just wondering about the little arc right underneath the left side beam. kind of like a half circle. it that normal for these projectors???
| timjgx | 03-05-2003 05:25 PM |
Your light just doesn't look right to me. It looks so scattered. I think the HIDs are not right for your EDM lights :( Did they tell you this kit would work with them?
- tim
- tim
| jskho | 03-05-2003 07:22 PM |
i thought as long as you get the correct bulb it should be fine.. the projectors were design to use H1 bulbs.. so i got the HID kit that has a H1 bulb.. if possible i would like to see what others folks HIDs look like.
| dookiebob | 03-05-2003 07:48 PM |
Yeah, I don't know what's going on with your lights without looking at them personally, but the pics look TERRIBLE. My HIDs light up the road like daylight.
-Bob
-Bob
| jskho | 03-05-2003 08:33 PM |
you think that might be the difference between the sti projectors and the morrettes?? something is not 100% right..ground is correct.. one side to the ground on the battery, the other to the chasis.. checked the focal point and seem to match up fine. numerouse attempt to adjust the beam?? what am i doing wrong or what am i missing??
| Mulder | 03-05-2003 09:32 PM |
From the pics it definitely looks like an optical problem rather than electrical. The entire area under the cutoff should be lit and it isn't. Somehow those bulbs are not properly aligned in the projectors.
| timjgx | 03-05-2003 09:53 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jskho [/i]
[B]you think that might be the difference between the sti projectors and the morrettes??[/B][/QUOTE]
That's definately not the case, because even with my slight wiring problem I seem to have my HIDs are tons brighter than that. :( Are you sure you have the bulb in right?
- tim
forgot to mention i have the EDM projectors too...
[B]you think that might be the difference between the sti projectors and the morrettes??[/B][/QUOTE]
That's definately not the case, because even with my slight wiring problem I seem to have my HIDs are tons brighter than that. :( Are you sure you have the bulb in right?
- tim
forgot to mention i have the EDM projectors too...
| jskho | 03-05-2003 10:59 PM |
yup.. the projector housing has a rectangular hole big enough for the H1 bulb.. next to it has two little holes.. the bulb has two small round things that is suppose to stick into those holes..to keep the bulb from moving.. you suppose i might have a defective EDM projectors???? i just looked at my lights and it still looks bad.. are lights suppose to shoot back out.. cuz i drill a hole in cap that is suppose to water proof the housing. and notice light shooting back up from that hole.. im mad now :mad: :mad: dont know what to do??? anyone here lives near san francisco and can offer a help??
james
james
| jskho | 03-05-2003 11:00 PM |
tim , what kind of HID kit do you have?? and you post a picture of your light pattern??
| timjgx | 03-05-2003 11:39 PM |
I believe it's a Phillips... I bought it from Mr. Jung. There were lots of people buyin his kits a few months ago. I don't have a pic of my light pattern, sorry.
| wrx_fun | 03-06-2003 12:30 AM |
This is the pattern of my lights. I have a Xenontechnologies 4300K kit. Hopefully this link works correctly.
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