| Habu | 08-18-2003 11:52 AM |
Burnsie is baaaaaack!!!
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I saw no mention of this, so I hope it's not WTLW, but I just checked WRC.com....
Richard Burns is returning to Subaru, the team with which he won the 2001 World Championship.
Burns has inked a two-year deal with Subaru and will rejoin the team for the start of the 2004 campaign. The deal was announced just hours after current Subaru driver Tommi Makinen announced that he will retire at the end of the season.
�Subaru is the team I�ve had the most success with,� said Burns, � and I�m really looking forward to being part of it again.�
The 32-year-old Englishman left Subaru immediately after clinching the 2001 title, to go to Peugeot. Since then he has failed to win a rally, though he is nevertheless leading the 2003 points chase by a fair margin.
Subaru team principal David Lapworth reckons he�s put together a good squad. �Richard and Petter are two of the most exciting drivers out there,� he said, �and with both of them driving for Subaru I believe our line-up is second to none.�
Burns joins Petter Solberg in the Prodrive-run squad and there will be an interesting contest to see which of the two emerges as the more competitive. Burns held the upper hand over Solberg when the pair were team-mates during Burns� first stint at Subaru. The team, however, says the two drivers will be on equal footing next season.
Solberg pipped Burns in a last-stage shoot-out for second place on the Rally Finland just over a week ago.
For the moment though Burns says his mind is on the present. �My focus is the current season,� he said, �there�s still a long way to go and I�ll continue to push 100% for the 2003 title.�
GF!
Skippy
Richard Burns is returning to Subaru, the team with which he won the 2001 World Championship.
Burns has inked a two-year deal with Subaru and will rejoin the team for the start of the 2004 campaign. The deal was announced just hours after current Subaru driver Tommi Makinen announced that he will retire at the end of the season.
�Subaru is the team I�ve had the most success with,� said Burns, � and I�m really looking forward to being part of it again.�
The 32-year-old Englishman left Subaru immediately after clinching the 2001 title, to go to Peugeot. Since then he has failed to win a rally, though he is nevertheless leading the 2003 points chase by a fair margin.
Subaru team principal David Lapworth reckons he�s put together a good squad. �Richard and Petter are two of the most exciting drivers out there,� he said, �and with both of them driving for Subaru I believe our line-up is second to none.�
Burns joins Petter Solberg in the Prodrive-run squad and there will be an interesting contest to see which of the two emerges as the more competitive. Burns held the upper hand over Solberg when the pair were team-mates during Burns� first stint at Subaru. The team, however, says the two drivers will be on equal footing next season.
Solberg pipped Burns in a last-stage shoot-out for second place on the Rally Finland just over a week ago.
For the moment though Burns says his mind is on the present. �My focus is the current season,� he said, �there�s still a long way to go and I�ll continue to push 100% for the 2003 title.�
GF!
Skippy
| mykrrrr | 08-18-2003 11:56 AM |
Sweet. Only thing is who's considered #1 driver @ SWRT for 2004???
Also who's the 3rd driver for SWRT gonna be???
I'd take it but I'm not sure if I can get the time off of work. :D
-mykr.
Also who's the 3rd driver for SWRT gonna be???
I'd take it but I'm not sure if I can get the time off of work. :D
-mykr.
| Habu | 08-18-2003 12:00 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by mykrrrr [/i]
[B]Sweet. Only thing is who's considered #1 driver @ SWRT for 2004??? [/B][/QUOTE]
"The team, however, says the two drivers will be on equal footing next season."
Taken directly from the press release.
GF!
Skippy
[B]Sweet. Only thing is who's considered #1 driver @ SWRT for 2004??? [/B][/QUOTE]
"The team, however, says the two drivers will be on equal footing next season."
Taken directly from the press release.
GF!
Skippy
| WagonMonster | 08-18-2003 12:05 PM |
r0x0r!!!
As much of an Asshat Burns can be, the dude can certainly drive!!!
I wonder why he's coming back? he seems to be doing pretty well this year with Peugeot.
As much of an Asshat Burns can be, the dude can certainly drive!!!
I wonder why he's coming back? he seems to be doing pretty well this year with Peugeot.
| Habu | 08-18-2003 12:12 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by WagonMonster [/i]
[B]I wonder why he's coming back? he seems to be doing pretty well this year with Peugeot. [/B][/QUOTE]
Also taken from the release...
"The 32-year-old Englishman left Subaru immediately after clinching the 2001 title, to go to Peugeot. Since then he has failed to win a rally"
Could be a factor. I mean he's had success on the Peugeot team to be sure, but how many times have we seen it come crashing down on him at the last minute? Safari '02 for one..... Not that just by being in a Subaru might change that, but you gotta admit, he's won in the Impreza, and not in the 206. Having said that, he's still the top runner this year, and might very well take the title again. Tnx for the sticky Will.....
GF!
Skippy
[B]I wonder why he's coming back? he seems to be doing pretty well this year with Peugeot. [/B][/QUOTE]
Also taken from the release...
"The 32-year-old Englishman left Subaru immediately after clinching the 2001 title, to go to Peugeot. Since then he has failed to win a rally"
Could be a factor. I mean he's had success on the Peugeot team to be sure, but how many times have we seen it come crashing down on him at the last minute? Safari '02 for one..... Not that just by being in a Subaru might change that, but you gotta admit, he's won in the Impreza, and not in the 206. Having said that, he's still the top runner this year, and might very well take the title again. Tnx for the sticky Will.....
GF!
Skippy
| Subie Gal | 08-18-2003 12:25 PM |
what can i say???
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| Habu | 08-18-2003 12:30 PM |
Yeah I knew you'd be happy Jamie ;)
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Skippy
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Skippy
| ShockWave | 08-18-2003 01:02 PM |
I think it's great news. Subaru has two great drivers in Burns and Solberg. I'm glad to see Tommi is retiring, now we can stand in awe of his career rather than wondering when he'll pick up.
I hope SWRT will consider making a push for the manufacturers title. They've been after the drivers title instead, but with the new third driver rule the field's a bit more equalized. And a bit more odd. Do you think a team would tell a 3rd driver to slow down and ditch a podium finish so they can keep him another year? Something to think about.
I suppose now we have to wonder where Colin's off to?
I hope SWRT will consider making a push for the manufacturers title. They've been after the drivers title instead, but with the new third driver rule the field's a bit more equalized. And a bit more odd. Do you think a team would tell a 3rd driver to slow down and ditch a podium finish so they can keep him another year? Something to think about.
I suppose now we have to wonder where Colin's off to?
| mike270 | 08-18-2003 01:05 PM |
Thats awesome that he's coming back. Now Subaru will be an awesome force to contend with next year!!:)
| nKoan | 08-18-2003 01:25 PM |
I didn't really want this to happen, but now that it has happened I'm actually kind of excited for next year.
As WagonMonster said: "As much of an Asshat Burns can be, the dude can certainly drive!!!"
As WagonMonster said: "As much of an Asshat Burns can be, the dude can certainly drive!!!"
| Subie Gal | 08-18-2003 01:26 PM |
i'm on Burnsie's newsletter list...
here's the latest...
[quote]BURNS RETURNING TO SUBARU
2001 FIA World Rally Champion Richard Burns, who gained his title driving an Impreza WRC, has today signed a two-year contract that will see him return to Subaru from the start of next season. Richard currently leads this year's Drivers' Championship by five points, with five events still remaining.
His long-standing co-driver Robert Reid, who was paired with Burns in their Championship winning year, will also join Richard back at Subaru.
Burns and Reid started their works driving careers with Subaru in 1993, when Richard became the youngest winner of the British Championship. They stayed with the team for the 1994 and 1995 seasons, competing on selected rounds of the WRC and coming second in the Asia Pacific Championship. The pair left to drive for Mitsubishi between 1996 and 1998, but returned to Subaru in 1999 for three hugely successful years, during which time Richard collected eight of his ten WRC victories, and the 2001 FIA Drivers' title.
"Subaru is the team I've had the most success with," said Burns. "And I'm really looking forward to being part of it again. For the time being though I'm putting thoughts of next year to the back of my mind. My focus is the current season, there's still a long way to go, and I'll continue to push 100 per cent for the 2003 title."
The news follows the announcement earlier today that 39-year-old Tommi Makinen will retire from World Championship rallying at the end of the season, having spent the past two years with the 555 Subaru World Rally Team.
Burns and Reid will replace Makinen and his co-driver Kaj Lindstrom, and will compete alongside Petter Solberg and Philip Mills, runners up in last year's Drivers' Championship. Viewed by many as one of the most significant transfer deals of the season, the combination of 32-year-old Burns and 28-year-old Solberg gives Subaru an extraordinary mixture of talent and experience, and re-ignites the association they had in 2001.
David Lapworth, Team Principal of the 555 Subaru World Rally team, said: "I'm very excited about having Richard back on board at Subaru. He's enjoyed a great deal of success, not to mention the 2001 World Title with us, and with four seasons with the Impreza under his belt, he's sure to adapt quickly to the latest car. Richard and Petter are two of the most exciting drivers out there, and with both of them driving for Subaru I believe our line-up for 2004 is second to none."
Masaru Katsurada, President of Subaru Tecnica International, said: "I've no experience of working with Richard myself, but we were all very proud of his achievement when he won the Championship with Subaru in 2001 and I'm very happy to welcome him back to the team. Together with the latest Impreza WRC, we're expecting some good performances from him next year."[/quote]
hehehe *giddy* :D
here's the latest...
[quote]BURNS RETURNING TO SUBARU
2001 FIA World Rally Champion Richard Burns, who gained his title driving an Impreza WRC, has today signed a two-year contract that will see him return to Subaru from the start of next season. Richard currently leads this year's Drivers' Championship by five points, with five events still remaining.
His long-standing co-driver Robert Reid, who was paired with Burns in their Championship winning year, will also join Richard back at Subaru.
Burns and Reid started their works driving careers with Subaru in 1993, when Richard became the youngest winner of the British Championship. They stayed with the team for the 1994 and 1995 seasons, competing on selected rounds of the WRC and coming second in the Asia Pacific Championship. The pair left to drive for Mitsubishi between 1996 and 1998, but returned to Subaru in 1999 for three hugely successful years, during which time Richard collected eight of his ten WRC victories, and the 2001 FIA Drivers' title.
"Subaru is the team I've had the most success with," said Burns. "And I'm really looking forward to being part of it again. For the time being though I'm putting thoughts of next year to the back of my mind. My focus is the current season, there's still a long way to go, and I'll continue to push 100 per cent for the 2003 title."
The news follows the announcement earlier today that 39-year-old Tommi Makinen will retire from World Championship rallying at the end of the season, having spent the past two years with the 555 Subaru World Rally Team.
Burns and Reid will replace Makinen and his co-driver Kaj Lindstrom, and will compete alongside Petter Solberg and Philip Mills, runners up in last year's Drivers' Championship. Viewed by many as one of the most significant transfer deals of the season, the combination of 32-year-old Burns and 28-year-old Solberg gives Subaru an extraordinary mixture of talent and experience, and re-ignites the association they had in 2001.
David Lapworth, Team Principal of the 555 Subaru World Rally team, said: "I'm very excited about having Richard back on board at Subaru. He's enjoyed a great deal of success, not to mention the 2001 World Title with us, and with four seasons with the Impreza under his belt, he's sure to adapt quickly to the latest car. Richard and Petter are two of the most exciting drivers out there, and with both of them driving for Subaru I believe our line-up for 2004 is second to none."
Masaru Katsurada, President of Subaru Tecnica International, said: "I've no experience of working with Richard myself, but we were all very proud of his achievement when he won the Championship with Subaru in 2001 and I'm very happy to welcome him back to the team. Together with the latest Impreza WRC, we're expecting some good performances from him next year."[/quote]
hehehe *giddy* :D
| wrxinfx | 08-18-2003 01:44 PM |
It'll be great watching burnsie and petter go at it next year - for SECOND place :devil: - because when ford gets the focus figgered out - Markko is gonna rip it up!:eek:
| Jfrankon | 08-18-2003 02:12 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ShockWave [/i]
[B]I think it's great news. Subaru has two great drivers in Burns and Solberg. I'm glad to see Tommi is retiring, now we can stand in awe of his career rather than wondering when he'll pick up.
QUOTE]
Nicely said! I totally agree!:disco: :banana: :disco:
[B]I think it's great news. Subaru has two great drivers in Burns and Solberg. I'm glad to see Tommi is retiring, now we can stand in awe of his career rather than wondering when he'll pick up.
QUOTE]
Nicely said! I totally agree!:disco: :banana: :disco:
| gtguy | 08-18-2003 02:20 PM |
I'll wear my Makinen replica driver's suit jacket with pride. I love that guy, and his style. His Subaru tenure, though spotty, has merged two of my favorite motorsport things: Tommi and Scoobies.
Burns? He is consistent, I'll give him that. I still think that his leading the points by never having won a rally this season (speaking to that consistency) is a joke, but hey, whatever. He will calm Petter down, that's for sure. I think it's a good move for Subaru, and for Burns. Gronholm is the man at Peugeot, and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
I think that Petter will beat him like a gong, though. :D
Kevin
Burns? He is consistent, I'll give him that. I still think that his leading the points by never having won a rally this season (speaking to that consistency) is a joke, but hey, whatever. He will calm Petter down, that's for sure. I think it's a good move for Subaru, and for Burns. Gronholm is the man at Peugeot, and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
I think that Petter will beat him like a gong, though. :D
Kevin
| WRXinWhite | 08-18-2003 02:29 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy [/i]
[B]I'll wear my Makinen replica driver's suit jacket with pride. I love that guy, and his style. His Subaru tenure, though spotty, has merged two of my favorite motorsport things: Tommi and Scoobies.
Burns? He is consistent, I'll give him that. I still think that his leading the points by never having won a rally this season (speaking to that consistency) is a joke, but hey, whatever. He will calm Petter down, that's for sure. I think it's a good move for Subaru, and for Burns. Gronholm is the man at Peugeot, and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
I think that Petter will beat him like a gong, though. :D
Kevin [/B][/QUOTE]
I hope you are right. As long as they are changing things how about changing the tire maker, Pirelli except for the girls is on the loosing edge. Let's do things right and bring back championship for Subaru.
[B]I'll wear my Makinen replica driver's suit jacket with pride. I love that guy, and his style. His Subaru tenure, though spotty, has merged two of my favorite motorsport things: Tommi and Scoobies.
Burns? He is consistent, I'll give him that. I still think that his leading the points by never having won a rally this season (speaking to that consistency) is a joke, but hey, whatever. He will calm Petter down, that's for sure. I think it's a good move for Subaru, and for Burns. Gronholm is the man at Peugeot, and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
I think that Petter will beat him like a gong, though. :D
Kevin [/B][/QUOTE]
I hope you are right. As long as they are changing things how about changing the tire maker, Pirelli except for the girls is on the loosing edge. Let's do things right and bring back championship for Subaru.
| nogger | 08-18-2003 02:40 PM |
This is some pleasant news, for sure. Many things to look forwards to next year!
| awoland | 08-18-2003 02:58 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by WRXinWhite [/i]
[B]
I hope you are right. As long as they are changing things how about changing the tire maker, Pirelli except for the girls is on the loosing edge. Let's do things right and bring back championship for Subaru. [/B][/QUOTE]
Who then? Michelin? Or just ride Perelli to get better?
A.
[B]
I hope you are right. As long as they are changing things how about changing the tire maker, Pirelli except for the girls is on the loosing edge. Let's do things right and bring back championship for Subaru. [/B][/QUOTE]
Who then? Michelin? Or just ride Perelli to get better?
A.
| sha_zapple | 08-18-2003 10:59 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by mykrrrr [/i]
[B]Sweet. Only thing is who's considered #1 driver @ SWRT for 2004???
Also who's the 3rd driver for SWRT gonna be???
I'd take it but I'm not sure if I can get the time off of work. :D
-mykr. [/B][/QUOTE]
I think Petter will be the number one driver. Plus there wont be a 3rd driver unless they get an unknown
[B]Sweet. Only thing is who's considered #1 driver @ SWRT for 2004???
Also who's the 3rd driver for SWRT gonna be???
I'd take it but I'm not sure if I can get the time off of work. :D
-mykr. [/B][/QUOTE]
I think Petter will be the number one driver. Plus there wont be a 3rd driver unless they get an unknown
| Lightning Jack | 08-18-2003 11:01 PM |
Glad to see Burn back...
I think Solberg will kick his ass
:banana:
I think Solberg will kick his ass
:banana:
| Orion | 08-19-2003 01:21 AM |
Ugh.
While I can't deny he [b]can drive[/b], I certainly don't like his attitude. I don't expect him to contend for many rally wins since it's clearly obvious he's pushing just hard enough to get some points. While some may think that's great that he's so consistent, I think it's incredibly BORING to watch someone drive 8-9/10ths when everyone else is running 11/10ths on a regular basis. I love how emotional Petter gets when he pushes the limits. Burns sits back and either makes excuses or has a logical explanations as to why he got beat.
I was very happy to see him go, but as many others have mentioned previously I have to say Subaru finally has a good chance at fighting for the Manu Title again.
While I can't deny he [b]can drive[/b], I certainly don't like his attitude. I don't expect him to contend for many rally wins since it's clearly obvious he's pushing just hard enough to get some points. While some may think that's great that he's so consistent, I think it's incredibly BORING to watch someone drive 8-9/10ths when everyone else is running 11/10ths on a regular basis. I love how emotional Petter gets when he pushes the limits. Burns sits back and either makes excuses or has a logical explanations as to why he got beat.
I was very happy to see him go, but as many others have mentioned previously I have to say Subaru finally has a good chance at fighting for the Manu Title again.
| enTarget | 08-19-2003 07:42 AM |
[QUOTE][B]Burns sits back and either makes excuses or has a logical explanations as to why he got beat.[/b][/QUOTE]
He's British, what do you expect? (no offense John)
Jeff
He's British, what do you expect? (no offense John)
Jeff
| ibis | 08-19-2003 08:33 AM |
[QUOTE](no offense John)[/QUOTE]
nice save :lol:
As unexciting as Burns is to watch drive, homeboy gets the job done and gets the points. You want exciting? Watch Petter. I certainly hope SWRT decides to toss a third driver in the mix, as I have yet to see any viable evidence that they are going to run 3 cars instead of the normal 2. If Achim Mortal gets that 3rd seat though, I'm buying an Evo. Who breaks the rim off their car in the first turn, 20 yards from the start of stage one:huh: , come on......I so hate that guy :furious: :D
nice save :lol:
As unexciting as Burns is to watch drive, homeboy gets the job done and gets the points. You want exciting? Watch Petter. I certainly hope SWRT decides to toss a third driver in the mix, as I have yet to see any viable evidence that they are going to run 3 cars instead of the normal 2. If Achim Mortal gets that 3rd seat though, I'm buying an Evo. Who breaks the rim off their car in the first turn, 20 yards from the start of stage one:huh: , come on......I so hate that guy :furious: :D
| Opie | 08-19-2003 10:34 AM |
That is awesome! :D Now we just need the announcement that Ramana will be their 3rd driver and Makinen will be driving the US Rally team car!! ;)
| AndyRoo | 08-19-2003 01:01 PM |
"asshat" :lol:
Makinen in the U.S. would be incredible! (but highly unlikey)
He would clean house.
Makinen in the U.S. would be incredible! (but highly unlikey)
He would clean house.
| carpetsloth | 08-19-2003 02:46 PM |
Personally I'm hoping Petter cleans house and leaves Burns to whine a cry in his car. :lol: I like to see the nice guys win, Burns is an egomaniac and I really enjoyed watching him sulk the last few years while he lost rally after rally.
| johnfelstead | 08-19-2003 05:54 PM |
cheeky git Jeff. :p
you lot must be watching a diferent driver to me if you think Burns doesnt push it hard. He is very fast, he had solberg well and truly stuffed in Finland until his front wheel bearing failed. Unlike gronholme he used his head and got that car to service without stuffing it. Burns is the smartest driver in the championship IMHO, just what Subaru need.
Burns can come across as arogant, but he is actually a decent bloke doing a job we would all kill for and doing it exceptionally well. He is actually much better at his PR this year than he was before, but some of you have your opinions set in stone now which is a shame. Richard is a great signing for Subaru and will do a better job than Tommi.
Told you Tommi was going to retire. ;) I was surprised to see Richard sign for Subaru, it's obvious Peugeot wanted to keep him so he has made the choice based on what he thinks is going to be best for him in the future. With Subara stepping up a gear with the GroupN car and now signing Burns it looks like they are getting pissed off with being stuffed, about time too!
you lot must be watching a diferent driver to me if you think Burns doesnt push it hard. He is very fast, he had solberg well and truly stuffed in Finland until his front wheel bearing failed. Unlike gronholme he used his head and got that car to service without stuffing it. Burns is the smartest driver in the championship IMHO, just what Subaru need.
Burns can come across as arogant, but he is actually a decent bloke doing a job we would all kill for and doing it exceptionally well. He is actually much better at his PR this year than he was before, but some of you have your opinions set in stone now which is a shame. Richard is a great signing for Subaru and will do a better job than Tommi.
Told you Tommi was going to retire. ;) I was surprised to see Richard sign for Subaru, it's obvious Peugeot wanted to keep him so he has made the choice based on what he thinks is going to be best for him in the future. With Subara stepping up a gear with the GroupN car and now signing Burns it looks like they are getting pissed off with being stuffed, about time too!
| jimithing412 | 08-19-2003 07:57 PM |
[QUOTE]Also who's the 3rd driver for SWRT gonna be???[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure that FIA was planning on changing the rules AGAIN and limiting the teams to two drivers.
Pretty sure that FIA was planning on changing the rules AGAIN and limiting the teams to two drivers.
| sha_zapple | 08-19-2003 08:44 PM |
Meaning after all the pro's retired we would be left with newbies and the sport would take a nosedive...
2 drivers? I think not. There would be no possible way new drivers would get enough WRC car experience to move up to 2nd or 1st driver.
2 drivers? I think not. There would be no possible way new drivers would get enough WRC car experience to move up to 2nd or 1st driver.
| sha_zapple | 08-19-2003 08:45 PM |
PS: there will be no 3rd driver for SWRT
| WRXinWhite | 08-19-2003 08:55 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B]cheeky git Jeff. :p
you lot must be watching a diferent driver to me if you think Burns doesnt push it hard. He is very fast, he had solberg well and truly stuffed in Finland until his front wheel bearing failed. Unlike gronholme he used his head and got that car to service without stuffing it. Burns is the smartest driver in the championship IMHO, just what Subaru need.
Burns can come across as arogant, but he is actually a decent bloke doing a job we would all kill for and doing it exceptionally well. He is actually much better at his PR this year than he was before, but some of you have your opinions set in stone now which is a shame. Richard is a great signing for Subaru and will do a better job than Tommi...
[/B][/QUOTE]
I second your opinion, I guess we all get to excited about Petter, who would be in much better shape if he let his head work a little more often. Hopefully with Richard back Petter will calm down and figure out how to beat the old guard.
Personally I believe the drivers to watch are Loeb and Martin...but what do I know...
[B]cheeky git Jeff. :p
you lot must be watching a diferent driver to me if you think Burns doesnt push it hard. He is very fast, he had solberg well and truly stuffed in Finland until his front wheel bearing failed. Unlike gronholme he used his head and got that car to service without stuffing it. Burns is the smartest driver in the championship IMHO, just what Subaru need.
Burns can come across as arogant, but he is actually a decent bloke doing a job we would all kill for and doing it exceptionally well. He is actually much better at his PR this year than he was before, but some of you have your opinions set in stone now which is a shame. Richard is a great signing for Subaru and will do a better job than Tommi...
[/B][/QUOTE]
I second your opinion, I guess we all get to excited about Petter, who would be in much better shape if he let his head work a little more often. Hopefully with Richard back Petter will calm down and figure out how to beat the old guard.
Personally I believe the drivers to watch are Loeb and Martin...but what do I know...
| Habu | 08-20-2003 12:59 AM |
What's been answered now?
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Skippy
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| Rattler | 08-20-2003 02:09 AM |
Doh! That was intended for the "Should Burns come back to Subaru?" thread.
| Habu | 08-20-2003 02:11 AM |
oh ok...cuz the title of this one clearly states the answer to whether he is coming back nor not...;)
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Skippy
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Skippy
| Kostamojen | 08-20-2003 02:47 AM |
Hopefully this means Subaru can try to compete for the manufactures title :p
| Habu | 08-20-2003 11:43 AM |
Well yeah, I mean Peugeot has a good car and all, but the reason they dominated so much was a numbers game. They had so many drivers, any decent finish in the rally was going to get them points. Gronholm, Burns, Panizzi, Rovanperra....one of them is gonna finish the rally. If Subaru lost Tommi (which they often do), then there goes half of your point making potential. If Peugeot lost Panizzi, then somehow lose Burns, they still have Rovanperra and Gronholm. I'm sure this is a big part of the reason for the 3rd driver rule. Again, nothing against Peugeot, but the did have a numerical advantage. Now they won't.
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Skippy
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Skippy
| WRXinWhite | 08-20-2003 12:01 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Habu [/i]
[B]Well yeah, I mean Peugeot has a good car and all, but the reason they dominated so much was a numbers game. They had so many drivers, any decent finish in the rally was going to get them points. Gronholm, Burns, Panizzi, Rovanperra....one of them is gonna finish the rally. If Subaru lost Tommi (which they often do), then there goes half of your point making potential. If Peugeot lost Panizzi, then somehow lose Burns, they still have Rovanperra and Gronholm. I'm sure this is a big part of the reason for the 3rd driver rule. Again, nothing against Peugeot, but the did have a numerical advantage. Now they won't.
GF!
Skippy [/B][/QUOTE]
You have to check the FIA rules on that. The team is obligated to nominate the drivers who can score points, and only three of them. That means that if say Panizzi is the 3rd driver and Rovanpera is 4th and both Marcus and Richard are out, only Panizzi can score points. Having said that teams with 3 cars are still better off in manufacturer's points, however having 4th car may only serve the development of the driver without any point scoring chances.
[B]Well yeah, I mean Peugeot has a good car and all, but the reason they dominated so much was a numbers game. They had so many drivers, any decent finish in the rally was going to get them points. Gronholm, Burns, Panizzi, Rovanperra....one of them is gonna finish the rally. If Subaru lost Tommi (which they often do), then there goes half of your point making potential. If Peugeot lost Panizzi, then somehow lose Burns, they still have Rovanperra and Gronholm. I'm sure this is a big part of the reason for the 3rd driver rule. Again, nothing against Peugeot, but the did have a numerical advantage. Now they won't.
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You have to check the FIA rules on that. The team is obligated to nominate the drivers who can score points, and only three of them. That means that if say Panizzi is the 3rd driver and Rovanpera is 4th and both Marcus and Richard are out, only Panizzi can score points. Having said that teams with 3 cars are still better off in manufacturer's points, however having 4th car may only serve the development of the driver without any point scoring chances.
| Habu | 08-20-2003 12:22 PM |
Hmmm....I was thinking it was only two drivers that could score points. Damn FIA rules are so finicky. You might be right though. However in the past couple years, it just seemed like Peugeot was always scoring points no matter what, and that's how they built 30-40 point leads in the mfgs championship.
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| fenix | 08-21-2003 07:20 AM |
[QUOTE]Also who's the 3rd driver for SWRT gonna be???[/QUOTE]
well im pretty sure that a small company like subaru cant afford a 3rd driver, after all they are only a small company and its obvious they are lacking the funds compared to Ford, Pug and Citron.
well im pretty sure that a small company like subaru cant afford a 3rd driver, after all they are only a small company and its obvious they are lacking the funds compared to Ford, Pug and Citron.
| Costas | 08-21-2003 12:13 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by carpetsloth [/i]
[B]Personally I'm hoping Petter cleans house and leaves Burns to whine a cry in his car. :lol: I like to see the nice guys win, Burns is an egomaniac and I really enjoyed watching him sulk the last few years while he lost rally after rally. [/B][/QUOTE]
Burns cryin? Dude, Solberg is the biggest perv to hit the WRC...
All he talks about is sex, his underwear, girls, sex, and more sex...
Burns is the MAN.
[B]Personally I'm hoping Petter cleans house and leaves Burns to whine a cry in his car. :lol: I like to see the nice guys win, Burns is an egomaniac and I really enjoyed watching him sulk the last few years while he lost rally after rally. [/B][/QUOTE]
Burns cryin? Dude, Solberg is the biggest perv to hit the WRC...
All he talks about is sex, his underwear, girls, sex, and more sex...
Burns is the MAN.
| WagonMonster | 08-21-2003 01:47 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Costas [/i]
[B]Solberg is the biggest perv to hit the WRC...
All he talks about is sex, his underwear, girls, sex, and more sex...
[/B][/QUOTE]
And this is a bad thing? :huh:
[B]Solberg is the biggest perv to hit the WRC...
All he talks about is sex, his underwear, girls, sex, and more sex...
[/B][/QUOTE]
And this is a bad thing? :huh:
| Habu | 08-21-2003 01:52 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by WagonMonster [/i]
[B]
And this is a bad thing? :huh: [/B][/QUOTE]
w3rd!
The WRC could use some perversion.
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[B]
And this is a bad thing? :huh: [/B][/QUOTE]
w3rd!
The WRC could use some perversion.
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Skippy
| Costas | 08-21-2003 01:53 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by WagonMonster [/i]
[B]
And this is a bad thing? :huh: [/B][/QUOTE]
Yes,
Hes married.and hes got a kid.
last time I checked, he drove Subarus for a living.
[B]
And this is a bad thing? :huh: [/B][/QUOTE]
Yes,
Hes married.and hes got a kid.
last time I checked, he drove Subarus for a living.
| Habu | 08-21-2003 02:00 PM |
What's that got to do with it? So he's married and has a kid....pfft!
Does that mean he has to stop talking about sex? :huh:
And it's not like he's out there screwing around, as far as I can tell. Yes he does drive Subarus for a living, but he's also a marketable commodity, and sex sells. Wake up and smell the fuel dude.
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Does that mean he has to stop talking about sex? :huh:
And it's not like he's out there screwing around, as far as I can tell. Yes he does drive Subarus for a living, but he's also a marketable commodity, and sex sells. Wake up and smell the fuel dude.
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| Costas | 08-21-2003 02:08 PM |
Honestly? Thats not what REALLy bothers me about him..
Marketable? Hes got a LOOONG way to go w/ sharpening his media skills in order to be marketable, the BIGGEST thing about him is that hes just plain CHEESY...
He tries to act "cool" but it just doesnt come through.
Sure sex sells, doesnt mean I have to agree with it does it?
Burns/Subaru =Salt/Pepper, Milk/Cookies
or to make a better analogy, Solberg/Vaseline
Marketable? Hes got a LOOONG way to go w/ sharpening his media skills in order to be marketable, the BIGGEST thing about him is that hes just plain CHEESY...
He tries to act "cool" but it just doesnt come through.
Sure sex sells, doesnt mean I have to agree with it does it?
Burns/Subaru =Salt/Pepper, Milk/Cookies
or to make a better analogy, Solberg/Vaseline
| Habu | 08-21-2003 02:16 PM |
Cheesy? Ask anyone who actually knows about the current tides in the WRC, who the most charismatic people in rally are right now.
And just what haughty requirments do you have for being 'cool'? And what does it matter? He may be cheesy to you, but he's driving for SWRT in the WRC, and you aren't.
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And just what haughty requirments do you have for being 'cool'? And what does it matter? He may be cheesy to you, but he's driving for SWRT in the WRC, and you aren't.
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Skippy
| Costas | 08-21-2003 02:42 PM |
there are no "requirements" for being cool. His answers are quite simply, cheesy. Im not really dissing his driving style, I just dont think hes got what it takes on that aspect (media). Put it this way, he cant do what I can do either (and I love what I do,) Oh I forgot, hes a dancer! LOL .
In all honesty, obviously I (anyone here) would prefer to be a SWRT driver, but, Ive done pretty well for myself, so I cant complain.
heres an example of cheesiness:
<MelissafromTulsa>: Hello Petter from Oklahoma! My question is, if you could rally anywhere in the world, where would it be? And why is that? Best of luck this season, keep up the good work on the website!
<Petter_Solberg>: America... and I can be in Tulsa within 24 hours!! LOL
You can be in Tulsa in 24 hours? Are you that desperate? You aint cool. Stop tryin. Cheesy.
On a side note,
My goal is to enter the Maine Forrest Rally next year. Everything takes time my friend, so we'll see how that works out for me. Maybe I wont be so cheesy if I ever make it.. ;)
In all honesty, obviously I (anyone here) would prefer to be a SWRT driver, but, Ive done pretty well for myself, so I cant complain.
heres an example of cheesiness:
<MelissafromTulsa>: Hello Petter from Oklahoma! My question is, if you could rally anywhere in the world, where would it be? And why is that? Best of luck this season, keep up the good work on the website!
<Petter_Solberg>: America... and I can be in Tulsa within 24 hours!! LOL
You can be in Tulsa in 24 hours? Are you that desperate? You aint cool. Stop tryin. Cheesy.
On a side note,
My goal is to enter the Maine Forrest Rally next year. Everything takes time my friend, so we'll see how that works out for me. Maybe I wont be so cheesy if I ever make it.. ;)
| ibis | 08-21-2003 03:09 PM |
I dont know, Petter may not be as savy with the media as oooh lets say Burns....but Petter is a people person...his persona draws people in. I like how he is excited when he does well and kind of down when he is well, down....shows his emotions. Unlike Markus, who has the game face on all the time, and plays the media kind of like Burns does. I never really got the whole girls/sex vibe from him.....or anyone else in the WRC for that matter....just from RallyeXS and those Pirelli girls.
| Costas | 08-21-2003 03:19 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ibis [/i]
[B]I dont know, Petter may not be as savy with the media as oooh lets say Burns....but Petter is a people person...his persona draws people in. I like how he is excited when he does well and kind of down when he is well, down....shows his emotions. Unlike Markus, who has the game face on all the time, and plays the media kind of like Burns does. I never really got the whole girls/sex vibe from him.....or anyone else in the WRC for that matter....just from RallyeXS and those Pirelli girls. [/B][/QUOTE]
Agreed-
Yes, Marcus always has that game face that you mention. He is an excellent driver.
[B]I dont know, Petter may not be as savy with the media as oooh lets say Burns....but Petter is a people person...his persona draws people in. I like how he is excited when he does well and kind of down when he is well, down....shows his emotions. Unlike Markus, who has the game face on all the time, and plays the media kind of like Burns does. I never really got the whole girls/sex vibe from him.....or anyone else in the WRC for that matter....just from RallyeXS and those Pirelli girls. [/B][/QUOTE]
Agreed-
Yes, Marcus always has that game face that you mention. He is an excellent driver.
| Habu | 08-21-2003 04:53 PM |
Oh, well Petter is Norwegian, I mean come on, all them Scandinavian peeps have trouble with emotions. Plus also remember that English isn't his first language, so of course his answers to some things aren't going to be structured as correctly or with as much finesse as we're used to or would like. But he's an animated person, moreso than ol Marcus...geez does that guy ever relax? Enjoy it man! But yeah...he's an excellent driver....excellent driver...yeah...yeah...
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| Costas | 08-21-2003 05:08 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Habu [/i]
[B]Oh, well Petter is Norwegian, I mean come on, all them Scandinavian peeps have trouble with emotions. Plus also remember that English isn't his first language, so of course his answers to some things aren't going to be structured as correctly or with as much finesse as we're used to or would like. But he's an animated person, moreso than ol Marcus...geez does that guy ever relax? Enjoy it man! But yeah...he's an excellent driver....excellent driver...yeah...yeah...
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(Thought about your point)
I agree too, language barrier is also a consideration. Its partly a culture thing I guess too.
[B]Oh, well Petter is Norwegian, I mean come on, all them Scandinavian peeps have trouble with emotions. Plus also remember that English isn't his first language, so of course his answers to some things aren't going to be structured as correctly or with as much finesse as we're used to or would like. But he's an animated person, moreso than ol Marcus...geez does that guy ever relax? Enjoy it man! But yeah...he's an excellent driver....excellent driver...yeah...yeah...
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(Thought about your point)
I agree too, language barrier is also a consideration. Its partly a culture thing I guess too.
| Habu | 08-21-2003 05:15 PM |
Well yeah, I mean you gotta give him an A for effort. He's trying to be cool at least, even if he's not teh best at it yet. The Finns don't even try it seems. It was the same with Mika Hakinen, and it's the same now with Kimi Raikonnen...emotion seems to be a tough concept for them.
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| Rattler | 08-21-2003 06:27 PM |
I like Petter. Petter isn't afraid to show emotion.
Maybe we can get Jimmy Spencer to come over to WRC and show them how to really make the sport like a soap opera or WWF, er, WWE.
"Look you French sombach, I will kick yer azz if you git out of dat cor!"
Maybe we can get Jimmy Spencer to come over to WRC and show them how to really make the sport like a soap opera or WWF, er, WWE.
"Look you French sombach, I will kick yer azz if you git out of dat cor!"
| Night Kid | 08-21-2003 10:40 PM |
they dont call Petter Solberg "Hollywood" for nothing ya know
| eastbaysubaru | 08-22-2003 02:34 PM |
Petter is definitely one of the most charismatic drivers in the WRC. I met him at the ROTW ProRally and he was cool as ever. He signed autographs, took pictures, etc. etc. He seemed(s) like a super cool guy, and at the time way more down to earth than any of the other drivers I've had the good fortune of meeting. I don't know where this whole "Petter talks about sex a lot" thing came from. I've never heard him mention sex once.
-Brian
-Brian
| shoracer | 08-23-2003 12:26 AM |
You are so WTLW.
I had a thread with a poll.
sorry had to.
We also need to cancel the Burn's contract asap.
I had a thread with a poll.
sorry had to.
We also need to cancel the Burn's contract asap.
| Habu | 08-23-2003 05:59 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by shoracer [/i]
[B]You are so WTLW.
I had a thread with a poll.
sorry had to.
We also need to cancel the Burn's contract asap. [/B][/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://image.internetimagingnetwork.com/getImage?pid=ph66631440366&size=IMAGE_RES_4&mod=2003-7-17-9:54:2[/IMG]
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[B]You are so WTLW.
I had a thread with a poll.
sorry had to.
We also need to cancel the Burn's contract asap. [/B][/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://image.internetimagingnetwork.com/getImage?pid=ph66631440366&size=IMAGE_RES_4&mod=2003-7-17-9:54:2[/IMG]
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| JewPac42 | 08-23-2003 09:37 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by shoracer [/i]
[B]You are so WTLW.
I had a thread with a poll.
sorry had to.
We also need to cancel the Burn's contract asap. [/B][/QUOTE]
What are you talking about?
[B]You are so WTLW.
I had a thread with a poll.
sorry had to.
We also need to cancel the Burn's contract asap. [/B][/QUOTE]
What are you talking about?
| iemonslice | 08-24-2003 12:01 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by shoracer [/i]
[B]You are so WTLW.
I had a thread with a poll.
sorry had to.
We also need to cancel the Burn's contract asap. [/B][/QUOTE]
So you're saying you knew Burns was coming back to Subaru before wrc.com posted the news on the 18th, the same day this thread was started??:confused:
[B]You are so WTLW.
I had a thread with a poll.
sorry had to.
We also need to cancel the Burn's contract asap. [/B][/QUOTE]
So you're saying you knew Burns was coming back to Subaru before wrc.com posted the news on the 18th, the same day this thread was started??:confused:
| HomerJay | 08-24-2003 12:25 AM |
Location:
Out of my head.
Hey guys, don't forget what it says under his "Location:" :p
Regarding the points w/ 3rd and 4th drivers, yes you have to nominate your 2 primary drivers but when they other guys finnish in the points, it keeps other drivers from earning those. So your team might not get those points, but it stops others from getting them also.
Out of my head.
Hey guys, don't forget what it says under his "Location:" :p
Regarding the points w/ 3rd and 4th drivers, yes you have to nominate your 2 primary drivers but when they other guys finnish in the points, it keeps other drivers from earning those. So your team might not get those points, but it stops others from getting them also.
| shoracer | 08-26-2003 12:36 AM |
[URL=http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=404891&highlight=burns]Poll I created so Subaru would cancel their signing of Burns[/URL]
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